Thread 718929420

Any day now. PC port soon.

>>718929420 (OP)
Never ever, Anon.
And even if it did, it's gonna have the shitty 2D enemy PNGs, like the other remaster.

>>718929802
Bro... EO IV used 3d models.. its a 3ds original.

>>718929802
>Shitting on Origins Collection
Those remasters kicked ass. My only complaint is the gay arrow popups if you use mouse and keyboard and the ugly font.

>>718929420 (OP)
I'm playing the first game right now, and hoping they'll release more of these games on Steam.

>>718930623
If nothing else the numbered 3DS games should end up here eventually. They'll be porting Persona Q someday, and those games are basically just EO with Persona textures.

>steamrolling every enemy encounter in a stratum
>get to the boss
>everybody deals no damage and gets oneshot through max defense buffs
Only problem I have with the Etrians I've played so far, it's not much fun to have fully mapped all the floors and yet still have to grind out a couple levels to tackle the boss because I was too efficient doing it or didn't pick some specific counter skill or something.
That and I guess the sidequests mostly being kinda shit both in explanations of what to do and the rewards for doing it

>>718932017
Which ones did you play?

>>718929916
So? They'll just AI Generate 2D images of the EUIV enemies and call it a day. Much less effort than actually making a competent port.

I tried playing Labyrinth of Refrain to fill the void but I quit out of boredom in the third zone.
EO just hits...better

>>718932793
Why would you even say that when the 1-2-3 port was fantastic?

EO Next Stage soon, trust the plan

>>718933279
Sorry, they started development on SMT 6, EO team has to babysit.

>>718929802
First off, there's nothing wrong with the 2D enemy portraits of the older games. Second off, from 4 onward they use 3D models for enemies.

>>718932545
1-3HD, and it didn't happen much in 1 but it happened a lot in 3 and in 2 so far

>>718933961
Fair. 5 and Nexus are much better about that imo. 4 can be like that in 2nd Dungeon, but other than that I felt it was balanced well (too easy at the start but w/e). The flying over world bosses in 4, however, can go fuck off.

>run any shitty team
>but have one person max poison circle
easy mob killer that even refunds mp back.

My little flatress can't be this cute

>>718933894
It's weird how well they upscale when most 3DS games look awful at high res.

It's going to be a IV-V-Nexus collection since they share a lot of assets.

>>718937384
But Nexus takes a lot of assets from Untold 1 and 2.

>>718937198
The rollers are adorable.

>>718937198
I mean, assets aren't created super tiny to begin with. They were just shrunk down for the systems back then.

>>718937950
My point is that the EO games didn't actually compress their assets very much on 3DS, which leads to them looking surprisingly good when upscaled.

>>718937672
Until the baboons toss them and annihilate your entire backline

>>718929420 (OP)
Just give me 2U and V. As long as I don't have to emulate the 3DS I'm happy

>>718939457
I forgot about that, god.
>>718939630
>He doesn't have a 3DS anymore.
I just want a port of 4 so it can run at a decent speed.

Playing EO1 on DS.
This game kicks ass but fuck it's slow.

I'm sticking to Legend of Grimrock.
But thanks.

>>718939793
>>He doesn't have a 3DS anymore
no I dont, a nigger robbed me when I was going home after school, but since I live in a turd world, the cops never went after that fucker

>>718929420 (OP)
Man I hope so, I've been itching to replay it and that aould be the perfect excuse

>>718929420 (OP)
Have my 3DS lying around with all EO games, some modded with the remaster portraits as well, but i never bother to turn it on again. I might when i get the drpg itch really bad.

>>718940865
Should've been carrying, teach him to value your property over his life.

>>718940865
man, timmy. why did you not stand up for yourself?

>>718940865
eh that'd happen in a first world country too.

>>718941243
Since then, I started carrying a knife with me. I wish I could go around with a big iron on my hip, unfortunately guns are impossible for anyone that is not a cop to carry around.
I have 3 guns at home though (used to belong to my gramps)

>>718929802
>actually wanting N64 tier models instead of PNGs
didn't know it was possible to be this much of a faggot.

>>718940865
>Hasn't bought one in the decade since.
Bitch.

>>718941760
EO's models are better than the static images. Atlus really put in the work for this series, unlike their infinitely more lucrative ones.

>>718940669
Hey, I get the urge to play 4th rate DRPGs every once in a while too, I get it. That's why I've got Sword City and Ray Gigant on my Vita.

>>718942804
Why would I? I only play single player games and my pc can emulate everything just fine

>>718943702
>He doesn't value the dual screens, touch screen, original res, 3D effect or form factor
Ngmi

>>718945418
>dual screens and 3d effect
shitty gimmicks
>touch screen
I miss this one, but not to the point of buying a used console

>been stuck on floor 15 in EO2 for a couple days
>grind up ~5 levels on everybody up to almost 40
>gunner still can't land a hit on the minibosses, their AoEs still do 60% of everyones health bars and if the two of them ever attack the same target it's a guaranteed death
Why is EO2 so fucking dogshit and how did the franchise survive it?

>>718939793
>He doesn't have a 3DS anymore.

I have a 3DS but the system is a piece of shit.
The HD collection felt so much better on PC than it ever did on DS

>>718945959
your leg bind?

>>718945923
>The native presentation is a "shitty gimmick"
What, do you play SNES games stretched to widescreen?

>>718946153
>The HD collection felt so much better on PC than it ever did on DS
That's because it's 1, 2 and 3 running as custom campaigns on a port of Etrian Odyssey Nexus. It has nothing to do with hardware.

>>718945959
Class balance in EO2 just sucks
>Half the classes are useless crap
>75% of the moves of the other classes, even the broken ones are legit garbage
>This is all made worse by the fact that the game doesn't explain moves properly and they have really weird fucking scaling too
Like how the fuck would you know the main reason you use Bait with DH is the pure bullshit damage it does and not the fucking bait aspect
How would you know to skip every single fucking skill for gunner to rush richochet to do anything with the class that's not spamming medishot

>>718947158
The bait thing was its use in EO1 as well.

>>718946153
I'm so fucking mad nobody has modded out the mouse arrows for EO3.

>>718932793
You are some kind of special retard, aren´t you?

>>718929420 (OP)
Would you guys enjoy drawing maps with a mouse instead if a stylus? The hardware was also part of the experience. The feel of the resistive touch screen especially add to the comfiness. I have thought about starting work on a spiritual successor to EO, but not sure anyone would like it on PC hardware rather than the DS.

>>718947631
You know the first 3 games are on PC with mouse control, right

>>718947158
Landsknecht was the one that got me, since EO2 was the first game in the series I played.
>Allslash doesn't work like any other multi-hit attack, only hits once per enemy at most
>Riskcut does more damage at lower HP, but still does less damage at lower HP than any other attack they have at max HP
>damage percentages are so bad even Medics and Protectors have better offensive skills

>>718947631
The remaster feels like an updated version of a PC game made before those just became console games.

>>718947912
They really wanted people using Dark Hunter and Ronin since they sucked in 1.

>>718946979
I stupidly went for head first and am halfway into arm, but of course almost nothing uses its head to cast and three points in arm shot just isn't enough to hit or apply regularly.

>>718948239
Sounds like it's time to Rest. :^)

When the FUCK do I get to leave Primitive Jungle, AAAAAAAAA

>>718948345
I think I'd rather just grind another five levels and beat it on raw stats since I'd have to grind after resting anyway to get back out of oneshot range

>>718945959
You need to put some points into AGI for gunner, also agility boosting gear. AGI does affect accuracy pretty significantly in 2 if I remember right. Also lots of skills get more accurate as they level up. 2 has a lot of weird quirks, I recommend looking at a skill sim and also the Japanese wiki through google translate.

>>718949102
What's your fave team comp for 2?

>>718949868
I don't have a favorite but my most recent party in my 2HD play-through was landy, troub, war magus, alchemist, and gunner. It was an elemental chase party and pretty fun and good overall. Gunner's binds actually came in handy a lot for surviving a lot of bosses.

>>718947631
You can draw with a controller in the HD ports and once you get the hang of it it's actually pretty efficient.

>>718948086
What makes ronin so good anyways

>>718951324
>Hit with sword
>Win
It's just the most basic damage dealer in the game and doesn't require much in the way of support or setup. Also it has a skill that gives a passive 30% chance to just ignore any hit they take.

I'm playing EO2HD for the first time, give me your starter tips please.

>>718930995
I do hope so. I haven't played many Dungeon Crawlers, so it's a genre I haven't explored much. But it is definitely growing on my fast right now, so I might jump straight into Etrian Odyssey 2 after I'm done with the first game.

>>718930995
>hose games are basically just EO with Persona textures.
Huh, really? They're good?

>>718929420 (OP)
Is there any fast and easy way to farm money and XP in the first game, EO1 HD Edition?

I kinda need to level up some new units, and unless there's some kind of effective method to do so, it's going to take fucking forever to get them up in levels.

I also need lots of money. I unlocked a Meteor Axe in the shop, and it costs like 200 000. I haven't even had that much money on me at any point in the game. So any good method for making quick cash as well?

>Forget my ariadne thread ONCE
>Regret it worse than leveling someone wrong for 10 levels
REEEE

>>718951901
Do not trust squirrels, ever. Or if you must, bring more than one Ariadne Thread. Or is it still called Warp Wire in there?

>>718952767
You turn the difficulty to picnic, draw a circle path on the map on whatever floor won't kill your new guys, turn on auto-walk and just auto-battle until your inventory fills up

>>718952767
Switch to picnic difficulty and grind near a healing spring.
Also those weapons from boss drops are intended for endgame, you're not meant to be able to afford it yet.

>>718930135
Font mod on gamebanana

>>718952476
Different anon but yeah, they're just EO with Persona characters. I liked the first one a lot because I'm a huge SMT fan and also an EO fan, but if you just like EO I'm not sure how much I recommend it. It's much easier than the rest of the series mainly because of some pretty bad balancing. It was also nice to see the P3 and P4 cast again even if some of the characters were flanderized a ton (RIP My boy Akihiko).
I didn't play PQ2 because it sounded like less like a P3/P4/P5 crossover and more like a P5 spin-off with P3 and P4 cameos and a strength of PQ1 is how well balanced the two games' screentime is, but the movie girl is very cute looking.

>>718953020
>>718953130
Thanks anons!

>>718953280
PQ2 was alright, but I thought the worlds were a lot more boring than the PQ. In particular I think that the Evil Spirits Club labyrinth was really excellent. Turned what was originally a gag into something pretty unsettling. But I enjoyed both at any rate.

>>718948239
>maxing skills one by one instead of spreading your points into skills that allow you to do new stuff
Always put 1 point into each bind

>>718953612
The rates are horrible at lower ranks, you're not binding anything or anyone with 1pt in any bind

>>718953612
I have one point in loads of shit, the problem is one point does fuck all for most of them. I don't think I saw a single status application from my Dark Hunter until she had 10 in Hypno and I've seen exactly one bind from the gunner across all three bind shots.

Do you guys actually autistically check every single wall for hidden passages

>>718955095
>Playing these games withough being autistic
shiggy diggy

>>718929420 (OP)
Both Untolds would be nice.

>>718955207
Yes, but there's "I have to even paint under doors and chests" autism and there's that

>>718955095
Yes sadly

I played V recently as my first EO, was really fun

>>718955095
You don't need to do that in any of the games that came after 3.
They have a specific wall object marking hidden passages that is unique to that stratum.

i want smt strange journey ported

>>718955654
You're getting Persona Q instead.

>>718955095
Yes, I take a step, face each side, and draw a wall for each one. That checks for shortcuts but also events.

>>718955095
Only on the edges of the map where it looks like there's space for more of the floor

>>718956019
>face each side
Doesn't looking around actually increase the encounter gauge in most of these titles

>>718952476
>PQ1
Interesting dungeons starting around the mid-game, has EO style skills with binds and links and whatnot, but extremely shit balancing between physical and magic damage dealers since physical only costs HP and SP costs for most spells is retarded. One of the biggest gaps between physical and magic of any Fatlus game. Also, instant kills are actually good outside of bosses, so you'd have to force yourself to ignore them if you don't want to make a lot of the game too easy.
>PQ2
Better balance, more characters to choose from, but not as willing to experiment with dungeon design.

>>718956275
No, only taking a step does.

>>718929420 (OP)
Wouldn't they have definitely ported SMT Strange Journey and SMT 4 and 4A if they were going to do any more EO

I wish the game actually gave you some numbers, how am I supposed to know how much HP this thing can chew through and if it's therefore worth it
It has 10 levels too

>>718956278
>Naoto turns dungeons into paste because she has the good speed and luck and all of the instant kill spells
>That one baby FOE from Labyrinth 3 that is vulnerable to Hama
>The doll FOE also in Labyrinth 3 vulnerable to Hama
Not sure what they were thinking allowing those to be instant killed. Or enemies in general. Incredible balancing really.

when does the start of this game become less of a slog? I am fucking inching along since I have to run back to down so often
I just want some more fucking mana

>>718956857
It's 55%

>>718957125
At lv10?
Holy shit 55% is massive

>>718956893
The biggest kicker is really the SP cost. Maragidyne costs 64 SP, which is god damn insanity. Mahamaon is only 32.

>>718951901
Most of the time you want to rush to level up skills because the scaling is retarded and the higher level version is significantly better. The stat up passives, while boring, are also surprisingly strong.
Hexer is the best class in the game and single handedly solves random encounters

>>718957350
All FOEs are also vulnerable to this I believe. As well as some bosses.

>>718956857
>>718957350
You gotta search online to find any number info on these games.
Really wish the skill shit just had them

So is the 3 games on pc good? I like smt and persona but I have no idea what gameplay this even has

>>718956857
Weirdly, the 1HD version actually tells you for the first level, which is 5% or lower. It doesn't give you that info for later levels though.

>>718957614
>The scaling from level 1 to 5 might as well not exist
>Afterwards it ramps up a retarded amount
I fucking hate this random as shit thing

>>718957636
it's a dungeon crawler, but as the actual genre, not just as a tag
very hardcore compared to those, specially 3
think if persona's dungeons were 95% of the gameplay and were massive and random encounters were actually deadly all the time so you have to handle resources correctly to not end up without HP and MP

>>718955095
Yeah. You're not dungeon crawlan if you're not crab walking.

>>718957918
>specially 3
It's kind of interesting how 3 is one of the most "balanced" ones when it comes to class balance despite also busting your balls

I crave Etrian Odyssey art
I NEED Etrian Odyssey art
Post some NOW

>Think the game is going OK for the first few floors after starting EO2HD
>Encounter flying eyes that just straight up act before me to one shot a random party member
>Go further, encounter a bird that can just sleep my entire party and is never alone
>Find out that if the stupid weak ladybugs get to live long enough they just spawn a boss that rapes two party members at the same time
I-it gets better and easier, r-right?

>>718958780
Haha

>>718958339
It's really not. Every 3DS game has better and more interesting class balance.

When new game

One thing I really like about EO games apart from the map painting and the designs is that none of the actual mechanics feel completely useless, apart from the day/night cycles in certain titles
Money? It matters, and not in a "save up for the godkillerXXX sword and ignore everything" way. Debuffs and buffs? Each and every one of them has their place.

>>718959810
It's only Final Fantasy and its clones that make debuffs/statuses completely irrelevant, even in Dragon Quest you can put bosses to sleep

Isn't this game made for children in mainland Japan? I do not see why it's so popular amongst adults of the West?

>>718959975
No, fans of games like this are generally older by now.

>>718959975
that's Persona.
Same company, I understand your confusion

>>718959975
That's Pokemon

>>718959936
>It's only Final Fantasy and its clones
Not really

Your frontline looks yummy, anon....

>>718958780
Not really, EO2 is the "fuck you" entry in the series

>>718958780
You seem upset. Let this smug fang magus cheer you up.

>>718961198
remove fang

>>718961303
WHAT THE FUCK

>>718960962
>blindsided by Mandrakes
You know the rest.

>>718961303
I won't make it easy for you.

>>718961303
add fang

>>718959936
>FF
FF has a lot of very strong ailments but there's no incentive to learn them outside of challenge runs

>>718960962
Funny how the entire franchise is designed to be like that but EO2 out fuck yous all of them to a point where you fucking get mugged by actual fucking non monster squirrels

>>718962395
>people treating bad info from an old eo2 lp as gospel
Huh, what do you mean

>>718962518
Squirrels are just fucking rats with pretty privilege
They do not deserve to be seen or treated as they do

>>718962607
There's an old something awful lp that colored the fanbase's thoughts when it comes to EO2 and class balance.
Alchemist for example is actually very strong for 5 out of 6 stratums but it requires you understand how they work.

>>718962905
To be fair eo2 classes are filled with landmine skills you do not want and really dumb scaling that you have no way of knowing.
Also people in these threads always say alchs are good but fall off and are tp hungry, not that they're bad or useless.

>>718932017
>still have to grind out a couple levels to tackle the boss

That's a common issue with almost every JRPG. People saying that you don't need to grind are being dishonest.

>>718962905
I liked them in my first playthrough but that was when I understood jack shit about the game and I just Megido blasted stuff. The Landsknecht stuff I complain about is all personal experience though. I remember even doing some cheese strat to get a Bomb Axe early and it still wasn't that good.

>>718963293
Eh it kinda depends on how fast you can discern the weakness of the bosses in most EO games but not all because of how Vit to Atk scaling works in some
It's just that EO games aren't AS gri dy in most cases

>>718963350
>Landshark in 2
If you're not using Blazer/Freezer/Shocker then don't bother.

>>718963519
I did that and was still underwhelmed
though I did trigger it with mostly oils/jars instead of stacking multiple alchs and gunners

>>718963350
Alchs are better if you go in on maxing an element and getting analyse simply because how easily they can nuke high damag targets including bosses but even then you have to suffer through the normal encounters with a dead weight class because they are damn TP hungry. You can also just feed them with a WM tho

>>718963519
That was also earlier when I didn't get how the class worked, but I hate they were designed so poorly so that 90% of their skills are worthless. It's literally just chasers, and Counter for one specific cheese strat.

AIEEEEEEE

>>718963717
Yeah that's a real problem
I think the only classes where you don't have a bunch of useless crap are DH's, Magus and Ronin.
However, even they can do badly if you don't know about the specific scaling of some skills

>>718963814
>stack petrification resistance accessories to beat the event
>no dialogue after the fight
>event is still there
>can keep retriggering the fight and can never clear the event
what did the devs mean by this? Surely this will be fixed in 4HD

>>718963679
You really want an alchemist with a chaser landy and ideally a tri-element gunner or ronin. Using jars and oils for a chaser party isn't a great idea in 2. Troub to control elemental resistances helps a lot as well.

>>718964037
There was a passive heal skill the War Magus had that got me. I thought it'd heal a percentage of HP for the party every turn, not only 5 HP at max.

>>718933763
Why would they make smt6 when V was garbage?

>>718964164
Oh yeah, didn't Prot have a version of it that only healed himself but also an absurdly low amount

>>718964061
>what did the devs mean by this?
Probably that there were way more muskoids there than you can see and that your leader has the memory of a goldfish.
>>718964260
Wasn't Vengeance well received?

>>718963701
>>718963350
>Alchemists
1 in Fire/Ice/Volt
Max Tec Up/TP Up/Analysis because those have greater overall returns for their performance than maxing out a single spell.
Then you bring along a Hexer because Frailty and Dampen can be used to force Analysis to proc.
If you really really want to double down on elemental damage you can bring Troub but those are annoying slow to get going.
>>718964037
The entire cut tree for Warmagus is terrible or just plain inefficient.
Cure 2, Salve 2, Erase, Warmight and that's basically it for them. Gunners and Hexers have way more options than them.

>>718963814
Get bent, TJ """Henry"""

What are some really deadly enemy combos that happen in the series anyway?
I know that in Etrian Odyssey Untold, the iron crabs got buffed where they won't do anything but the moment something dies they spam scissor wrath depending on how many things died that turn thern every turn after that, and the game would try to throw 3 at once on you.

>>718964418
>The entire cut tree for Warmagus is terrible or just plain inefficient
Eh, it's less that they're extremely bad and more that you wont ever have a turn to make use of them anyways on a WM normally

>EO2DS/HD
A lot of the skills in this game are basically all or nothing when it comes to investment. There are a handful that are one point wonders but those are very rare.
HP/TP/Str/Tec Up are very strong passives and you're actually better served picking them up sooner rather than later in many cases.
It's highly recommended that you find some method dealing poison damage before the end of the first stratum for Chimera's conditional drop, the 30k that you get from selling it will seriously make your life easier.

>>718964583
Sleep niggas paired with tanky negroes you won't kill in turn 1 is a certified hood classic for stealing half your party's healthbar

>>718964149
I had an alchemist but that's it. There were definitely some fights where everyone else was too busy and I had to just click silencer over and over instead of getting to use chases.

>>718964164
it's actually not completely unusable in the first stratum, and you need to rest later on anyways to move your points into the better heal spells so it's not a complete trap to take it even knowing that it falls off quickly.

>>718963293
You don't have to grind, you just suck at RPGs. You can beat every EO game comfortably without ever doing so.

>>718964598
WM actually has a lot of spare turns but the cut skills are pretty weak.

>>718964583
>sleeping lion that doesn't attack you turn 1
>mage with a sticc who doesn't attack you turn 1
>slime that doesn't attack you turn 1
just run away lmao even if you fail you're pretty much guaranteed to get away turn 2, or you can even burst escape to 100% success rate if you're scared.

>>718964921
>WM actually has a lot of spare turns
Those are better served buffing people or transferring TP to people who need it

>>718964790
5 HP a turn is very weak even in the first stratum.

>>718964957
>just run away
The fuck you take me for, a coward!?

>>718964583
Etrian Odyssey V and Untold 1's 6th stratum have a ton of encounters that you might as well just run from unless you have some specific counters.

>>718964583
Untold1 postgame probably holds like half of the deadliest enemy compositions in the series. If you get blindsided the average random encounter is sending you to the game over screen.

>>718965026
Fights are done even faster there with everyone constantly attacking on top of the low heal value, yeah

>>718965094
Getting instakilled and petrified by red and white cells caught me off more than it should have in Untold 1.

>>718965026
25 hp a turn since it hits the whole party. In fights with weaker enemies it's enough that everyone guarding is a net hp gain on the party, letting you mostly heal up each fight.
I'm not saying it's a particularly good idea and actually trying to farm the heal is tedious as shit. But you can do it, if you really want to.

>>718965020
>Transferring TP
TP Up 10 doubles everyone's max tp pool.
There's a healthy amount of gear that boosts tp. Hexers/Medics/Alchs even get a staff that gives them +50 TP as early as the 2nd stratum that they basically never have to take off for a very long time.
Hexer also has more important things to prioritize with their SP like Poison/Sleep/Binds/Dampen/Frailty than Curse.

I used Curse + Transfer on my first run, but on a replay, I realized that it was a bit of meme and I often ran out of bag space before i needed the tp back.

>>718965094
I would say it's less the deadliest compositions and more that your party options are comparatively weak when you look at other games. At least mine was. L/P/R/M/S is much, much weaker in Untold than the first game.

Peak gameplay

>>718965208
My favorite enemy in the 1U postgame is the gasser tree, it shows up on 26F which is the first floor of postgame. Casts a party wide poison attack with all but guaranteed chance to land.
Poison? Psh I've played a JRPG before, how bad could that be?
>one shots the whole party except the protector which is now alone and at critical hp
Genuine holy fuck moment, first encounter of Claret Hollows.

>>718964790
That's just kind of how it is in a chaser party. It's good but you need everybody attacking and feeding those chases for the damage to add up.

>>718965317
Yeah but aoes practically dont exist in that stratum so only your front row is consistently getting damaged. Not only that, but likely for half of their health each turn unless you're farming floor 1 and 2 when you're in floor 5 or something. Put those points to more TP, you practically have infinite healing that you can actually rely on with cure 1

>>718964957
or you sleep circle/rune nuke them like everything else, they're really not a big deal

>>718965529
Yeah, a chaser with just one proc is a waste of time. You need at minimum two people for it to be worth the effort, which becomes problematic in EO2 since your team is already Land/Troub/Hexer/Alch or Gunner. So then you have to pick between Protector or a healer for the final party member.

>>718965510
a level 1 party without armor wouldn't be fighting cats

>>718965364
Transferring is still really useful for gunners and alchemists who can burn through their reserves fast.

>>718965706
Why are you spamming Ricochet and T2 Spells on everything instead of using one of their cheaper and more efficient options for randoms?

>>718965679
Meanwhile you can just plop a DH and/or Ronin who can output insane amounts without needing anyone else or spec that gunner for richochet spam for a way easier build

>>718965862
Well you can afford to if you build the party the right way and sometimes burning TP is worth it against some annoying enemy comps

>>718939630
>new portraits in V's style
I would cum

>You wont be using both whip and sword skills at the same time
> You need to get both weapons to lv8 to get access to a Dark Hunter's strongest and most useful spells
This always irked me in eo2

>>718939630
I thought 3DS emulation was not only really good on PC but even possible to do on fucking phones nowadays, why's that a problem

>>718965912
>Ronins
Are the most consistent but have the lowest peaks out of all of the primary DPS in exchange.
>Dark Hunter
Bait/Magibait require you to guess correctly and bring a Protector along to make it more consistent. They also don't work on Ur Child since they trigger his AI. Their other big damage move requires someone to help with binds (Hexer/Gunner) or take fucking forever to build up Dominate. Unless you enjoy farming Axcelas and dedicating someone solely to feeding them.
>Gunner
Their actual highest damage attack (Risks) shine best in the same kind of team that Landshark likes ironically enough. Ricochet is strong but inconsistent, so the average damage is a bit lower than you expect. Don't forget that Gunners have bad accuracy.
Also on the side, Rampage is absolutely nuts dps but Beasts also just randomly self destruct with Loyalty unless you have a good lockdown or bulky party members. Hexer's classic revenge nuke has its own share of problems too.

Suffice to say, a lot of the big damage moves have caveats if you really want them to shine. Landshark's problem is that its a very narrow band of team comps that allow them to really shine compared to a generically applicable fire and forget class like Ronin.

>>718962284
Am I doing it right?

>>718966563
The thing that bothers me about the chasers is that you're always giving something up. No Hexer means no Dampen. No Protector means if you want to do Risks, your Gunner is much more likely to explode into a million pieces.

>>718966563
>Bait/Magibait require you to guess correctly
Huh, how so
Doesnt the damage trigger regardless of the opponent type
Also protectors are always good to have around with no real cap on provoke f
For some reason

>>718967027
chasers are pretty bad in randoms so you probably need the hexer as an easy way to not have to worry about them.

>>718967169
That makes me think L/WM/H/G/T as the party to use links, but it still seems a bit too frail, mainly later on rather than early when party hitting attacks become more common.

I like dh's on the account that they can delete FOE's around 60% hp remaining, not even risk a miss and heal themselves to full with the same attack

>>718929420 (OP)
Why is the second game so difficult?

>>718967085
Which protector skills were worth investing in again?
I only remember the 'provoke into smite spam' part.

>>718965679
I mentioned my team in another unrelated post above but here's how it worked for me. Landy, troub, WM, alchemist, and gunner. Staying alive hinged on troub using Stamina to buff the entire party's max HP and most of my front row had some points into HP Up as well. Gunner actually can land some binds with a LUC accessory so sometimes I'd land that crucial bind and then use those free turns to burst a boss down. Items are strong in 2 so I could always use a nectall to revive everybody and then use WM's salve 2 to quickly heal everyone right after. Chase parties can definitely work they need some setup. Troub basically becomes a supplementary item bot healer that can drop soma's or whatever to help the WM out as well.

>>718967027
>>718967169
>>718967302
Dampen is worse than Frailty unless they resist every single offensive element that you can output.
Chasers don't suck in randoms. They'll follow up on every elemental hit, so you just skip the setup and go straight for the elemental burst damage. Alchemist teams have an easier time with this because of the T3 spells.
If you don't mind item usage, I'd probably go with L/WM/H/G/P as your chaser team. Two forms of protection to keep the team alive via force break and Provoke allows you to comfortably use both War Might and Risks.

How did LoL get away with stealing the blonde male Alch look for Ezreal bros...

>>718967665
Do you think lol players would ever touch EO?

>>718947631
it's great if you have a graphics tablet

>>718967923
No but it's straight up 1-to-1 the same design, it's very egregious.

>changed my ronin's katana with a sword not seeing it was a sword
>Sold the katana because nobody else would be using it
>It still ended up not mattering for hours as the ronin was doing higher damage auto attacking than some were doing focusing weaknesses while using TP
Zamn

>>718968042
Well, no one besides you noticed because those games are two completely different demographic spheres. And I'm like 65% sure lolfags are the kind of people who would go "it didn't happen, but if it did it was a good thing."

>>718968172
Like 95% of the skills in EO2 are useless unless you max them out.

>>718968253
I mean, even if lolfags dont see it EOfags should've considering how stupidly popular lol is

>>718968368
>The future games fix this by instead making rhem useless outside of their specific breakpoints

>>718968456
Yes, the future games have 3 breakpoints instead of 1, and it's not always beneficial to take the breakpoint, like on buffs for example.

>>718947631
>Would you guys enjoy drawing maps with a mouse instead if a stylus?
A lot of EO community never owned a 3/DS in ther lives, the game's perfectly playable and mappable on an emulator as well as native PC port which supports mouse. In fact the experience between emulator and the PC port is so strikingly similar with a mouse it's as if Atlus knows that's how people play their game.

>>718968456
It's usually 1/4/9/10 or 1/5/10 in the newer games.
EO2 has a bunch of 1 point wonders or all or nothing type skills. Then there's Medishot where you stop at 4.

S: Hexer
A: Dark Hunter, Gunner, Protector
B: everyone else
C: Medic, Troubadour
D: Survivalist

>>718929420 (OP)
where's the new game they teased so fucking long ago?

>>718965059
I was having fun with 5 but my emulator just started randomly crashing shortly after I got to the big boy where you have to topple the pillars and I don't know why.

What's your favorite class in each game?

>>718970731
>EO1
Medic
>EO2
Dark Hunter
>EO3
Princess
>EO4
Arcanist
>EO5
Deathguard
>EO1U
This game is nothing but suffering. I can't even pick a character I like because of it. Fine, fuck you. Highlander.
>EO2U
Hexer
>EOX
Why, Hero, of course.
>EOMDs
Didn't play them.
>PQ
Aigis
>PQ2
Aigis

I still don't forgive Persona 5 for what they did to EOV. Fuckers took all of Atlus' work power, we were robbed.

>>718957828
It's not really random. It's actually pretty common in the series. You typically either see backend scaling or tiered scaling. As a general rule for EO games a vast majority of the time the optimal spot to hold a skill's level is either level one, just before half or going max.

>>718929420 (OP)
>managed to replace my 3ds' circle pad without fucking up
Yep, it's etriam time

Playing Eo3 (my first EO) for the first time, just got subclasses and am trudging through the lava and getting raped by giant worms on 9F. Any tips for a newbie?

>>718972120
>circle pad
You don't use the d-pad for these games?

>>718972303
I like looking around while walking, specially with the 3D on

>>718968672
>Medishot where you stop at 4.
Wut, reducing the tp cost is not that bad

Do I really lose a lot if I don't play story modo with set characters in U games

>>718971784
Sitting at the power/TP spike at half way is also valid. It's not quite as mana efficient as taking the skill all the way up to one point from max, but you get the majority of the skill's power and it can potentially save a lot of skill points if you're not planning to max them in the near future. Magic users in general I find benefit a lot from that, as well as any class with broken passives or buffs that you want to rush.

Does sidestepping increase the encounter rate the same as turning and moving
Does any of your movement actually affect getting blind sided or ambushing

>>718972931
In EOU you can't 100% the game unless you play in story mode because there are chests in Gladsheim which is story-only.
In EOU2 you're missing nothing except story and le fafnor nit: Ginnungagap is fully accessible in classic mode with all its bosses, chests and enemies intact.

>>718973000
Nope.

>>718972986
>Don't max up gag or choke or any similar bind skill
>Never see a bind my whole play through
Aieeeee

>>718973103
Ailment and binds are different obviously, you need every bit you can get. Damage is more flexible.

>>718973000
Yep
Nope
EO's encounter system is just
>you need x amount of encounter points to start a battle, which rolls between a range
>every tile in the game adds an arbitrary number of points when you walk on them
>when you start a battle it zeros your encounter points and rerolls the amount you need for the next battle
iirc the baseline is like 6 points per tile, some areas give 0 points and boss rooms/low encounter rate areas only give 1 per tile.

>>718973496
>iirc the baseline is like 6 points per tile, some areas give 0 points and boss rooms/low encounter rate areas only give 1 per tile.
Huh, I thought it was just pure RNG

>>718972178
Grind more. Every level counts in this game.

>>718973573
NTA but EO's encounter system is something that's very similar to what was being used all the way back in the NES days. FF2 was notorious for "trap rooms" you could fall into where the encounter rate was so high that you'd get into a battle nearly every step.

EO uses a slightly more refined version of that except instead of encounters being a binary "it happen or it doesn't happen" thing each tile has varying degrees of "danger" which determines how much they contribute toward the next encounter happening.

>>718973496
Seriously? Encounters seem pretty same-y when you reload a save.

>>718973721
This has been documented pretty thoroughly.
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/3ds/997793-etrian-odyssey-iv-legends-of-the-titan/faqs/74944
As an example.

How are you supposed to build the pirate guys
The whole both having back and front row builds thingy feels weird

>>718974673
You suffer until subclassing then you go B/G and you're a shitty version of G/B that spams Pincushion.

>>718930135
And the DRM, Thank god some Atlus worker uploaded a DRM-less version by accident

>>718972860
No one said anything about it being bad. It's just that you can leave it at 4 and use the extra point for something else. Even Esc Up.

>>718959810
In EO games, buffs/debuffs are necessary to win boss battles. They're not something you can use optionally. FoE avoidance is pretty useless.

>>718952476
I love EO but I hated the first PQ but I also hate persona a lot so there's that. Figured the dungeon crawling would be enough to offset that but it just made me want to replay an EO game.

>>718974873
FOE skills let you cheese the fuck out of puzzles which can be very relevant for sequence breaking post-game. They have their uses for sure.

>>718974946
That and you know, you can fuck up a puzzle or get fucked by encounter rates

>>718974764
>by accident
Wink wink nudge nudge

>>718959810
The shop system in EO really is the perfect system for an RPG
>money is literally always useful until the extreme postgame
>drops are exciting because they unlock new stuff
It's the best of both worlds

>>718974673
Eagle Eye
Hanging/Quick Draw
Pincushion
If you reaaaaaaally want to chase, then pick a high slot weapon and imbue it solely with fire/ice or volt.
>>718974719
The difference between the two is practically non existent as a Pincushion bot until you get into stat maxing. You're honestly better off doing something else with your Glad to be honest.

>>718975191
It also increases the value of non monster loot too
Wow I found an expensive accessory I wont use, the sell value still matters
Wow an item, I wont fucking bankrupt myself buying it next time in town
Hmmm should I spend money resting back in town or trudge through eith my own healz

>>718975134
Will EO4's ost ever be topped?

>>718929420 (OP)
Sub-classing is too conplex for me

>>718974719
Bucc actually does okay early on because Trickster lets them spam skills more than any other class at that point except Ninja. All you really do with them is level up either Lights Out, Hanging or Quick Draw plus a handful of points in Trickter, and then spam it every turn.
Then once you get subclasses you rest and go for Pincushion and Charge, do the sea quests to get the jolly roger rapier, and achieve the highest damage output of anything on the 3rd stratum.

>cozy dungeons
>god tier OST every game
>those little soundtrack CDs that came with each game and had cute sleeve art
>great post game content for each game
>loads of class variety even in 1
Sure there are crunchier dungeon crawlers out there, but pound for pound EO's gotta be the best

>>718929420 (OP)
They could have continued the series by making EO3 untold and package it with EO1 and 2 untold.
Instead they went for the low effort of porting the original games.

>>718976085
EO2U sold like shit because of their DLC practices and X didn't do very well either because of the nature of the kind of game it is as well as the reputation from EO2U. They made their own bed and then said "lol well guess we can't do more EO now cause not enough sales". I hate this fucking industry.

>>718976202
>X didn't do very well either because of the nature of the kind of game
Nexus was mostly screwed by releasing at the very end of the 3ds' development. I think the Switch was already out when I picked it up, and I got it day 1 with a preorder.

>>718976249
Yeah, I can understand them not tackling EO3U under these circumstances. But it's definitely something they could've done later like that anon brought up. I've been jewed around by Atlus enough to know they don't deserve any free passes.

>>718976202
EOU was unpopular in Japan because of story mode
EO2U was released at a very bad time (around pokemon IIRC) and this was in the era where companies got really bad with DLC
Nexus was one of the last games on the 3DS.

>>718976345
I have no idea how the series just completely died despite having so many titles desu. We should've seen something

>>718976085
Porting the original games was not "low effort" due to needing to fully rework mapping to make it work on one screen and without a stylus. They wanted to test one screen mapping and also preserve the originals which I can respect, even if the first two aren't the best in the series imo. 3 doesn't need an untold version since the last thing I want is more story mode nonsense in this series. Unless you meant just a normal remake without story mode, which would be fine. Either way, ports of 4, V, X, 1U, and 2U, are not off the table just because they decided to start with the first three. I suspect that some or all of the 3DS games may end up getting the hd port treatment.

next silksong, innit..
https://youtu.be/i0T_zIR9m60

>>718977216
Mapping is cringe as fuck in the HD remasters, but it's better than nothing.

>>718977216
>due to needing to fully rework mapping to make it work on one screen and without a stylus.
I mean, widescreens and mouse controls already solved both of these for them
No idea about controllers though yeah.

>>718977458
I hate Fatlus

>>718977501
This anon is a homo

>>718977540
I played on Switch without a stylus and it worked well enough for me. A few improvements could be made to select tools faster but overall it's a solid foundation to work from.

>We get a new game
But
>It's a nintendo exclusive again
Would you take the bargain?

>>718978069
Switch 2 emulation will get cracked eventually.

>>718978069
I mean, the entire series existed only on DS and 3DS until the hd collection, so you would think that actual longtime fans here are used to owning Nintendo handhelds. I wouldn't care much since I'd buy it on Switch anyways since I like playing these games in bed. I don't think it would be exclusive though since dual screen handhelds are dead, there's no reason for it anymore unless Nintendo deliberately payed for timed exclusivity. They wouldn't do that for such a niche series though.

>>718977458
>7 years ago
Oh...

>>718973071
not just the chests but for whatever reason the special final boss for story drops the item to make the best (2nd best?) katana, despite the story party being unable to use it.

>>718974673
guns aren't going to be hitting crazy big numbers like gladiator or arbalest but they can leave quick shot at a low level to restore tp while going first which means you can liberally use rapid fire. I'd recommend getting quick shot up to level 3 since it picks up 2-3 targets and still is a net +4 tp with your class passive maxed. And as the other anon mentioned you also have faster limit gain so the class is a bit more supportive than strictly a damage dealer.
Once you get all of that going you can start working on unlocking pincushion, which scales with agility/level more than most skills so only unlocking it later in the game is fine.

>>718973573
Rooms with FOE puzzles usually have their encounter counters set to zero or otherwise very low, to help prevent you from getting spammed with random encounters while maneuvering around the FOE.

>>718978069
Yes. My 3ds is pretty much just EO + Fire Emblem these days. I'd prefer not to buy a switch 2 for Etireamnd, but it's probably the only thing that would make me actually do it.
I didn't end up ever buying a Switch. I told myself I'd get it for whatever the next Fire Emblem was going to be, but then they revealed 3hrt and I felt absolutely nothing, and Engage looked even worse

>>718979436
Unless the puzzle does include encounters or the said FOEs are actually really easy.

>>718979496
Dude when did I make this post?

>>718951901
Rush STR Up/TEC Up ASAP, depending on the classes' attack stat. Getting those to 10 is going to give you a very, VERY big damage increase, and killing shit before it can damage you is king.

>>718951901
Torpor solves almost every random encounter. Also, that other anon is lying to you. If you trust the squirrels, you'll get something irreplaceable eventually. But you have to stick to it.

>>718980305
>TEC
Only alchemist cares about this stat

>>718980393
>If you trust the squirrels, you'll get something irreplaceable eventually. But you have to stick to it.
Bullshit, I am not falling for your tricks dyou fancy tailed rodent

>>718980468
Would a squirrel give helpful advice like Torpor is OP? I think not. The real squirrel is you, trying to mislead poor anon into losing out.

>>718980537
You're turning the tower into Detroit, give me my threads back

>>718980468
Come on, bro, pet the fucking squirrel, what could go wrong?

Wow, there are no rest stops on the dungeon compared to future titles in 2 huh

You don't understand dude i need my 'tato, i need my bnuuy i need to solve puzzles, port V

>>718981013
Harbinger/Reaper is my favorite EO class of all time.

>>718981062
Mine is Imperial, it nukes everything and it's made for lazy people (like me)

>>718981204
Imperial is a great class too. EO4 even has the casino that is NS/I that can be hilarious. What holds them back for me is I wish they had a bit more to their Edge system. They mostly just get some TP recovery or charges out of it. It'd be nice if they could cover some other stuff with them, or if they had some crazy Edge combo.