Thread 718955991

>No Druid or Crusader or ANY new class
>one (1) new act
>officially delayed to 2026
>apparently the company is under constant DDOS or so they claim

lmmfaaaaoooo

Poop Of Excrement II.

I like that the 2nd major update for the game, making it probably about 50% complete, is actually 5 months past the estimated full 1.0 release that is now likely to occur the end of 2027.

GGG simply lost talent and manpower, the only realistic answer to the complete dev hell they've been in.

This just feels like Diablo 4 all over again, it's over for the Diablo clone genre.

>>718955991 (OP)
But it made sweeping changes to the balance, fixed multiple things about the game and current classes, added sprinting, updated maps and added interludes and also fixed the support fem system. And they added async trading. Theres also a new league with new mechanics of abyssals
Is a new class that big of a deal over everything else they did?
And what's wrong with being delayed to 2026? I'd rather them work on the game than rush anything

>>718957058
>Is a new class that big of a deal over everything else they did?

Yes because I've been playing the same fucking 4 for a year. At least add new weapons! How the FUCK are you gonna work on 'end game' when you don't have a beginning or middle game?

A rebalance (that'll probably be terrible), some new skills and a new act are not enough to support booting the game up again, it's the same shit.

>multiple copies of the same support gem

oh and I see the dumbass cowards just fucked themselves too, great

>>718957245
>>multiple copies of the same support gem
>oh and I see the dumbass cowards just fucked themselves too, great
What's the problem there? That seemed like a no brained fix from the beginning

>>718957296
it means everyone will use the same 2 or 3 support gems for every skill, because 2/3rds of them are fucking useless

>>718956653
D4 runs better, has a more coherent progression system, and more consistent gear aquisition curve.

POE2's gear aquisition looks like a 90 degree cliff, you are weak, and suddenly, your 500% exponentially stronger, because you gave someone a Div for a good weapon.

retarded shit.

D4 has LOADS of fucking problems, but its actually a finished fucking product and POE2 is probably 25% complete and it fucking shows.

?
Isn't this game not even out yet?

>>718957296
the game already has a "five million shit options, 10 good, 2 great"

problem, a billion abilites and skill gems and passive's, and like 1/25th are worth even thinking about.

this just doubles down on the problem, you'll just use two of the good ones lol.

>>718955991 (OP)
>multiple copies of the same support gem
I don't think they understand how badly this is going to break the game.

>>718957634
it's been in EA since december 2024. Some people paid (I got it for free because a no-lifer friend was giving away codes)

>>718957706
>>718957448
Wait do you fags look up build or meta guides or something
How soulless
You don't use the best
You use whatever you want to use

>>718957634
this is just more EA shit that should have came out 6 months ago.

the game actually was supposed to hit 1.0 like 3 months ago, and we are likely 30% complete as of today.

meaning their "one year till 1.0" is actually 3.5 years till 1.0.

and that's if they don't succumb to Euro-Vacation into Dev Hell back into Euro-vacation (I know they are Kiwi's but they take breaks like Euro's)

>>718957721
I think they understand and they're hoping how bad it goes will make the community shut up about it.

>>718955991 (OP)
Wouldn't care about any of that shit as long as the patch notes were good. They weren't, the balance is going to be so fucking bad in PoE2, it's not even funny anymore. What are these retards doing???? like 90% of skills are completely worthless, moving around the passive tree is still cumbersome and ruins the whole flexible classes -idea they had in PoE 1

>>718957783
you don't even need to do that.

the "good" and "amazing" abilites become glaringly obvious as you play, any Monk player would find out pretty fast that The Bell is the best nuker option on the list, you can do whatever build you like and never look up a guide and end up 90% like all the guides because most of the abilites and skill gems are shit.

>>718957783
>Wait do you fags look up build or meta guides or something
no, I generally steadfastly refuse. Just experimenting is usually enough to carry you through cruel. It doesn't take MUCH experimenting to realize how terrible most support gems are, though. Which is a shame because support gem mutations are the most interesting part.

>>718957818
>cast spark with multihits and pierce gems
>game crashes

>>718957926
>+ cast on shock

>>718957853
yea the classes aren't flexible, most passives are shit, too much wasted fucking space.

do we really need that many nodes ending in notables that give you "10 tiddlywinks and a ass slap every time you use a health flask"?

WHO GIVES A FUCK about that shit.

>>718955991 (OP)
Isn't it better to fix the game balance before adding even more new classes?

yeah

>>718955991 (OP)
This game was fucking ass and I'm not spending another evening to see if it got better

>>718957783
You don't need to look at a guide to deduce what's shit and what's not. Fucking stupid biohole fucknugget.

Ignore blizzshills
What class and build are you going to start the league out with when it drops?

>>718957961
the one thing I noticed going from PoE1 to PoE2 is how stingy they are with defenses. You can get much more resistances from your passives tree in PoE1 as opposed to PoE2, making you more gear reliant on specific things.

I don't remember the characters needing buffs. All I remember is randomly dying to shit I couldn't even see. As long as they don't fix that I'm not playing.

Still the best diablo 2 clone around

>>718958182
low bar considering all the other competition is a decade + old or Diablo 4 (lmao)

>>718958182
Titan Quest 2 exists

>>718958284
that shit ain't finished either

>>718958161
the characters need buffs.

in that 85% of of the abilities each character(weapon) has are worthless.

that's not good form for an ARPG, they aren't just "not good" they are worthless, absolute trash.

in this, and only this Diablo 4 has figured it out, a handful of spenders, a handful of builders, and then utility/defense/mobility moves. and everything just modifies your builders and spenders and utility, gear and all its ways to tweak and buff it.

POE2 has each weapon have like 18 fucking abilities and 2 of them are good.

>>718958284
Yes, it has potential. I just wish they didn't copy poe rollslop

>>718958284
its a very, very poor man's POE1/Grim Dawn in its unfinished state.

most abilities and passives are "get an eye twinkle on tuesday" shit.

>>718955991 (OP)
>apparently the company is under constant DDOS or so they claim
Clouflare asking for their protection money?

>>718955991 (OP)
>>718956239
>>718956370
>>718956653
Whatever ya whiny bitches. See ya on the 29th.

>>718959085
No you won't, I haven't bought the game.

Don't care I'm gonna buy it and have fun for a couple of weeks no-lifing it lol

>>718955991 (OP)
>SAAAR BUY STASH TABS
>DIABLO SO BAD

>>718959285
I HAVE bought the game and I won't be playing it lol

maybe if they put swords in, 20% chance I'll hop on.

>>718959489
why have Indians stuck to the same hairstyle and Pedo Stash for like 50 years?

>no new class only one new act
Well they're probably releasing shit as it's finished.
It is a little surprising that they prioritized a new act over a new class, when there are 6 remaining classes and only 3 remaining acts. I figured it'd be 2 classes and then an act.
Probably has to do with Huntress not retaining as many players as they hoped.

>>718959489
POE2 is owned by chinks
D4 is owned by poojeets
Get your racism right you nigger

ggg take breaks to fuck around with poe1 instead of working on the early access poe2, which is rotting from neglect. just look at how POE2 is only now reaching 0.3 when ggg *thought* they were going to have reached a near 1.0 state by now. they've done FUCKall. over the last 9 months because they had to make some boring shit league for poe1.

>>718959861
NIGGA they thought they would have it at 1.0 not now, but 4 months ago.

we are at least 2-3 more YEARS from 1.0, this game is fucked.

>>718959285
Free weekend cunt.

>>718959861
Dipshit. PoE1 players were pissed at GGG because they focused on POE2 for 6 months. Not GGG neglects POE2? Pick a fucking struggle.

>>718961781
>wasting hard drive space on poo
think again

>>718960591
Who is "They"? Nobody expected POE2 to be full release by 4 months ago. Nobody expects it to be 1.0 by even 2027. POE1 was playable as early access for 3 full years before 1.0

>>718962150
You and I both know you either are going to download it or already have it downloaded. Otherwise your ass wouldn't even be in this thread.

Losing Chris really set GGG back

>>718962264
You know nothing anon hoe

not playing it again until they fix armour movement speed debuff.

>>718957596
Yeah I know we all shit on blizzard but D4 is a better game than PoE2 until GGG gets their shit together.

>>718962184
GGG.

that was there timetable, it was off by a magnitude of 5, at least.

>>718955991 (OP)
>>officially delayed to 2026
This is not never releasing, it would mean it would be f2p

>>718962297
Didn't he start development on another ARPG? Christ how many fucking diablo clones do we need?

>>718962696
I mean we've got like.. 4 good ones ever so...

The worst part about no new class is that we will still have only ONE melee weapon.

I'M SO FUCKING TIRED OF RANGED SISSY ONE BUTTON SCREEN NUKES!! GIVE ME TECHNICAL MELEE GAMEPLAY!

>>718962297
Blame THE VISION™ of Bald Fucking Retard™ sinking the game.

All they had to do was ZOOM ZOOM ZOOM.

>>718962696
Card game, supposedly.

Going to Vision™ M:tG the same way he ruined PoE1-2.

>Two Island Counter-Spell?
>I'm gonna Force of Will ERRYBODY.
>WTF, the game is fast now?
>Ban Force of Will
>WTF, why does everyone hate me banning Force of Will and making Counter Spell five Islands while Mono-Forest/Mountain is 2 mana bashers?
>Bails and make another Diablo clone.

>>718962758
>TECHNICAL MELEE GAMEPLAY!
KEK

>>718962961
He announced his company making a new game on an interview with David Brevik on the 25th anniversary of Diablo II. While saying they're not going to talk about what the game is yet he literally says to read into that fact above.

>>718962763
chris wilson left GGG
now you gotta ask for jonathan to be fired

>>718955991 (OP)
Too little too late. Fuckers had a great launch, me and all my friends enjoyed it a lot. Then the retards started nerfing everything fun and bugging out the game and even refusing to add new content for months. Then they abandoned the game to go back to PoE1. I should've tried to refund this piece of shit. Ever since the game announcement I was excited about trying the druid, almost a year later there's no sign of that class.

>>718955991 (OP)
>caving to reddit
>free weekend out of desperation and not even out of EA yet because they're early adopter test group bailed
>any unique identity to differentiate themselves as the counterstrike to diablos call of duty is gone due to overt casualization
>retards are are descending on the threads like vultures to beg people to play casual kusoge like grim dawn and last epoch
Naw this aint it

>>718955991 (OP)
PoE2 is the future of the genre but the incompetent retards at GGG are going to take like 2 years to release all the classes/acts cause they did the 4 month bullshit and have to make sure each league has something new to the base game (either a class or act) but they can't dump them all. I bet Druid IS ready and they do not have something like Act V ready for 0.4 so now they decided to save Druid for it.

However, graphically, responsively, animation-wise, basically everything is best in class. It lacks the content and build craft that PoE1 has currently but they'll make changes and the content will come.
Btw I still like PoE1 and got 36 challenges in secrets of the atlas.

>>718963898
>PoE2 is the future of the genre
I don't think this genre has a future then because this is an unironic disaster

>>718955991 (OP)
it's over!!

>>718963898
Druid in previews had about the same speed of Warrior. It WAS ready for 0.2 until they saw the reception of maces in 0.1. Most likely they were reworking it to make Bear slams + caster combo shit at least somewhat competitive in usage compared to the other archetypes when it comes out.

This is probably why there's been no word on Duelist + swords, Marauder + axes and Templar + flails either. I'd wager they're all about as slow as mace gameplay in their current state and GGG have been scrambling to rework them hard lmao. I wouldn't be surprised if Shadow and daggers/claws/traps come out first in 0.4

>>718962575
Thier time table for "4 months" was distance between major updates. Not full release.

>>718964787
There was a small hint. In the official Q&A after the reveal he was asked about who comes after Druid and he said "it's weird that our game has no swords in it" which to me makes it kinda clear that they wanna do Duelist/Gladiator.

>>718957897
And they so brazenly said "you had to think too much when you couldn't stack Support Gems of the same kind, so now we're letting you do that". Sad.

>>718964787
I mean, melee got gutted and zoom through map builds got massive buff, it's obvious "the vision" is down in the shitter and they want to make PoE2 like PoE1
an thats a good thing

>>718964787
Shant be playing until Duelist or Shadow are in the game and Endgame is fully reworked. How you are unable to make a functional endgame compared to the Poe 1 atlas is beyond me.

>>718955991 (OP)
Why is it still early access?

>>718964926
It's obvious that they plan on releasing weapon types with their (thematically) associated class. They could have the itemization finished since all the other weapon types have been up on poe2db since 0.1 but they won't release them until their accompanying class + ascendancies are ready.
>Swords -> Duelist
>Marauder -> Axes
>Templar -> Flails
>Druid -> (Str/Int Sceptres are out because minion builds need Spirit)
>Shadow -> Daggers/Claws/Traps

>>718965567
They don't really care for Poe1 vets right now so much as getting and retaining a new audience so overwhelming them with layers and layers of old mechanics right away will turn them off cause there's too much of a knowledge gap between Poe1 vets and noobs to the franchise currently. I think their goal is to turn Poe2 into current Poe1 *eventually* (we're seeing that now with 0.3) but that will be a gradual process to get the noobs properly acclimated to giga autism mechanics and crafting.

give me a warrior build idea for 0.3

How mad is jonathon that he has to continually cave to reddit each patch?

>>718966391
Probably more mad than I am. I'm just kinda mad about it, it's his game though, so it must sting harder.

>>718955991 (OP)
why is that nigga wearing glass armor

>>718966391
he's visibly fuming in every Q&A since 0.2 launch, the only time he's only somewhat calm is when some clueless soulslop streamer/youtuber interviews him

>>718964838
full release was a year, its been a year.

Should I play the Beta before GGG fully cave and turn the game into Poe 1 with insane power creep?

>>718966857
>before GGG fully cave and turn the game into Poe 1 with insane power creep?
anon is unaware

>>718955991 (OP)
I've been bitching about PoE2 for ages now but I'm fucking glad they stopped to fix their fucking broken shit game instead of just throwing in more content to distract people with. Any new class was doomed to play just as shoddily without important universal changes made to everyone

>>718966857
why did people think PoE2 was gonna be different?
Did they really specifically go out of their way to pretend otherwise? I actually don't remember the trailers

>>718957783
I don't need a meta guide to look at a gem that gives me more damage and go "I want more damage" and socket more of those.

>>718957706
You don't understand. People will meta game no matter what. You're right about your premise but not the conclusion, what happened when you couldn't double up was that everyone ran builds that could get away with less supports and it heavily centralized the meta. The change means more builds are viable because the ones that would've needed double ups to work now work

>>718962473
I'm not playing again until they add coomer armors or at least skins

>>718966972
>>718967050
Yeah I tried to be blissfully unaware of PoE2 before its official launch but heard from babies about the beta being "too slow" until now with this patch.

>>718967210
I was supposed to play it with friends but my friend refused to listen to me when I said melee gameplay is harder than ranged, he then proceeded to go whatever class isn't the monk, and use armor, despite me telling him not to. Predictably, he got upset about how melee was fucked and hard because of AoE's, etc. and then never launched the game again. Now I'm stuck waiting for "the content" to come out and we play again, instead of playing CoD zombies for the 5000th hour

>>718967181
it will change nothing, the best options are exponentially better than the others.

>>718957886
Yeah. Building was so simplified at launch that everyone first gravitated to a handful of defined synergies to begin with then simply filtered down to the ones among them that worked best. You didn't follow a guide, the game built for you.

>>718966845
It has in fact, not been a year, but it seems very clear that 1.0 won't be releasing this winter.

wonder how good shields are going to be now with the change
didn't look yet but did they change turtle charm in the Warbringer Ascendancy

>>718967329
yeah, i exclusively play melee builds in PoE1, but in 2 it's like handicapping yourself, in the time you spend to jump through 6 hoops to do your abilities, LA Deadeye clears a map, hopefully they wont butcher Duelist and swords in same way

>>718966845
We are still 5 months out from a full year of release. There is going to be yet another major Update by late December early January with their 4-5 month update schedule.
>>718967382
1.0 was never going to release in a year. I have no fucking clue where anyone got that thought.

Don't care will still play and not spend a single cent

How was the spear class they added? She any good?

>>718970759
Pretty OP and now that they're fixing parry and shields she'll be even more OP

>>718967748
a lot of ESLs were confused by “As long as needed. We believe it will be at least 6 months.”

>>718956239
The Turd Edict

LETS FUCKING GOOOOOOOOO

>>718959085
Get off of 4chan and get back to work fixing the game

>>718957783
I would agree with you but arpg devs nowdays balance the content around the meta builds. So you cam either try to homecook your way into finding one of those by accident or just throw away your pride and look up one.

The changes to maps, gems, orbs, skills, etc all look really good honestly. But they still need to make changes to loot in real significant ways before I think of this game as anything more than a skinnerbox for chinks. items are just not fun when 90% of classes want the exact same modifiers with everything elsw being worthless.

>>718973641
No one cares for those and just want new classes

>>718973641
They are gradually moving towards it with things like deflection and “X% armor applies to elemental damage”

>>718957596
D4 is even more mindless than post 0.2 POE2. ARPG players are retarded.

>>718973641
I think 0.2 went backwards with loot, while >>718973742 is definitely going to help give you more choices it seemed like the game dropped way way way less currency and I never felt like I could reasonbly use any of it for crafting or working on items myself. The problem was especially massive during the campaign, it felt like rare items were far more uh, rare, as even rare mobs would not drop them a good portion of the time, and currency was almost nonexistent. During the campaign you really should get enough to play around with and not feel like you need to clutch on to the two regals you get through the entire fucking campaign.

Also I always run with at least 100% rarity on gear in the endgame, if that even matters anymore.

>>718975421
>During the campaign you really should get enough to play around with and not feel like you need to clutch on to the two regals you get through the entire fucking campaign
I had about 600 exalts (200 of which were used) at the end of the campaign simply by selling a few runes that I didn't need

>>718956653
>Diablo clone genre.
i find it strange how arpg = diablo likes and arpg = games like dark souls, ninja gaiden, dmc, monster hunter, etc.

>>718973641
They still seem to be struggling to figure out what they want the game to be.
Which is really stupid, because PoE1 was more than just brrrrrr screen clear. The same way diablo 2 was just more than brrrr rune farming.
But they seem to have wanted Poe2's identity to be "Not brrr screenclearing" - okay thats thats what it is not, but thats not what it is. And then player backlash and they change approach on the one decision they seem to have made, which is brr screen clearing yes/no. So now they're designing PoE2 around the concept of being the one thing that was worst about Poe1 that only existed in the first place a side effect of the things that are good about Poe1. But they're implementing that side effect directly so now Poe2 is just moving towards a distillation of the least interesting parts of Poe1.
Its such a tragedy. The way skill gems are tied to individual weapons and support gems are are so pigeonholed never should have even been considered.

>>718975623
I want to say I had less than 30 that i found or disenchanted into. Regal and chaos were in the single digits upon reaching maps.

PoE 2 is cockblocked from being good by 2 things, crafting, and the atlas. Regarding crafting at the moment all we really have, and all we have on the horizon is essentially LE crafting, where you pick up a base from the ground, click a couple things on it, it bricks 99% of the time, and then you throw it back on the ground to wait for the next base.

To showcase what I mean, I will describe the crafting process of making a pretty decent SSF viable 2h phys weapon in PoE1 vs PoE2

Poe1
>Get a white base
>Hit with t3+ phys essences until you hit t3+ hybrid phys
>If the prefixes a fill go for a pre > suff beast or an annul if you have 2 suffixes already.
>lock the prefixes, hit with a veiled chaos
>If you hit a prefix veil you win, if you hit a suffix lock prefixes and scour, lock prefixes again and hit with another veiled chaos
>If you hit 3 suffixes at any point you have to go for an annul
>Unveil any of the %phys mods on phys
>Lock the prefixes again and either wipe suffixes into multi mod attack speed + end charge damage or whatever you want
>Or lock prefixes and reroll speed at harvest bench
>Craft the last suffix if you didn't multi mod
>Quality up and hit with a tempering orb a few times to get %phys effect

This is not the only way, or even the best way to do this (since recombinators exist) but it is one of the MANY ways to achieve a weapon in an SSF scenario that is strong enough to clear all content.

Poe2

>Get a white base
>Hit it with a transmute, hope for a good mod
>Hit it with an augment, hope for a good mod
>Hit it with a regal, hope for a good mod
>If at any point during the previous steps you dont get a good mod you throw item on ground
>Hit it with 3 exalts, hope for good mods
>If you get an item with 4/5 or 4/6 good mods you can use an omen on an item to try reroll one of the bad mods into a good mod
>If you miss the chaos you throw the item on the ground

I'm about to hit character limit but basically PoE2 needs just a lot more SYSTEMS.

>>718955991 (OP)
Good, shit company, shit game. Everyone could tell that PoE 2 was dead the moment it premiered and they were talking about how they wanted to slow it down. They obviously have no idea how to take the series. Boss design is ass, combos barely work, build variety in the toilet, made for console bullshit. Can't wait until they are making mobile games only.

>only ever play melee
>the only melee weapon one year later is mace

>>718975817
>Poe2
>Get a white base
>Hit it with a transmute, hope for a good mod
>Hit it with an augment, hope for a good mod

This is where it ends for me, honestly if i don't find an item with 3 good mods on it already I just ignore it. I like what they are doing with essences but I don't know if it'll fix the problems by itself, crafting isn't crafting, it's just pulling the lever on a slot machine. Frankly I'd love to see more interesting bases that drop from specific content, or certain league mechanics like say ritual have unique ritual only modifiers that would push you to want to make an item work.

>>718975817
>throw the item on the ground
You reforge it, though. Or you use the recombinator if it has a great mod. The game doesn't have systems if you don't play it right, that's true. I won't really defend reforging extensively however, as it's not a great system either, I'd prefer something else.

Dibablo 3 is way better. Its fun. Its not bust uour balls fuck you roll an dice and suck my foreskin. Its just too much. Its made for no lifers

>>718975756
I guess I just got lucky with soul cores. But even the cheapest ones are pretty good value, and you're basically guaranteed to get a couple while playing through the campaign.

>apparently the company is under constant DDOS or so they claim
the same excuse they always use
just jue blizzard believes they get DDOS every fucking time they got a problem when they suck at coding

>>718975990
The reforge system is a complete brick aside from wiping bases to start from step 1 again, because trying to combine anything aside from 1 good mod + 1 bad mod is not happening.

>>718975990
That shit never works, I probably reforged over 200 times trying to come out with a good spear and got jack shit, it's a completely useless system that either needs to be removed or "reforged". I would have been better off selling bases or npcing it all and using that currency to trade for a good one instead.

>>718976283
It's Ukrainians ddos server because GGG works in Russia and did not have Ukrainian language for Poe 2

>>718976369
Actually I take that back, I did use it to reforge maps into higher tiers so that is one use for it.

>>718956239
why are ARPGfags such whiny cunts?

>>718976283
On one hand I know for sure that some companies have actual hosting issues they refuse to fix and blame it on a DDOS, on the other hand the internet is so shit these days I don't doubt that unhinged people would DDOS a game they dislike out of mental problems.

>>718975980
The problem is that there are no points within the current crafting system that lead to "locks", everything is completely random. Whereas in PoE1 the chance of successfully completing each individual step kind of ebbs and flows depending on the craft, where the most expensive crafts usually depend on hitting more higher risk slams.

>>718955991 (OP)
failed sequel.
diablo 4 unironically won

>>718975964
While I also am begging for Axes, Swords, Daggers, Flails and Swords to be in it's disingenuous to say that there aren't melee quarter staff or spear builds.

what the fuck should I do if I want to play chronomancer

>>718976523
You are also on /v/ so its concentrated whiny cunts with contrarian kernels.

>>718976147
Female witch doctor is hot as fuck.

Jonathan is a casual friendless mutt but as long as Mark is there I have hope, the second he leaves I know both games are doomed.

Is there ever a company that walks shit back more than them? They've spent more than half their lifetime just walking shit back, but only years and years later.
>Async trading is BAD because trading is player engagement
>uh...actually...h-here's async trading!!! please play our game!
>POE2 is a GOOD GAME, all the clunky changes like 1 support, not being able to buy gems, combo based gameplay etc lead to amazing, meaningful gameplay
>ummmmmm ok well we basically made the game poe1 but without any of the good stuff and with half the ascendancies will you please play now?

There's just dozens of instances where they really think they know better, ignore feedback constantly, double, triple down, make everyone hate them, cause their social media managers like Bex to stand in the line of fire and then FINALLY THEY CAVE they ALWAYS fucking cave
They will never recover from Archnemesis going core, it was the moment where everyone realized they're blind

>>718976781
they're like this on reddit
they're like this on the official forums
they're like this on streams
their influencers are even like this
I've never seen a fanbase hate their own genre quite as much as ARPG players

>>718977293
Changing opinion based on new knowledge should never be discouraged and devs being boneheaded is much worse for the industry.

>>718977315
I don't blame them, but I think ARPG players should hate other ARPG players instead because they're the ones that make the games end up like this.

>>718956239
debate him (you wont)

Is the gameplay still mobile-game-endless-runner shit where you run forward and spam your dash on cooldown and press 1 button to kill everything on the screen? When are they fixing that part?

>>718976585
Yeah that's a good point, personally I haven't tried to make god tier endgame items but rather just something to use. It's not a good feeling to get to 3 / 6 good modifiers and then land +12 thorns damage or something useless. Sure I can use one of the limited gambling methods and throw tons of currency at it to try and fix it but what's the point? For 5 ex I could trade for something better anyway.

eh

>>718977439
Thats poe 1
In Poe 2 they removed all movement abilities and want you to combine abilities

>>718957596
poe2 even in its base early release is better than D4, D3 is better than both

>>718955991 (OP)
I dropped the game on first proper patch where I saw that the patch notes are practically 1:1 reddit wishlist of making the game easier, soulless, basically just "remove all edge and give everything now!!!". They literally made it so that you cannot get cornered by enemies anymore because you can just slip through by spamming roll, just because redditors were butthurt about losing like that. How is this not against EVERYTHING they said their vision was, and what they showcased earlier? This was the clearest showcase of 'whine on reddit, and you shall receive', but there were much more.

Literally peak spineless pussy ass devs. I didn't play PoE1, but if I did and knew better, I never would've bought 2's EA.

>>718958535
No, they had the eastern europe server based in Russia, so angry ukies kept cyber attacking it in protest. They moved it to Sweden to try to get them to stop.

>>718976523
It's not really ARPG players, this is a special case. You have PoE1 having some of the most autistic players in all of video games who are completely mindbroken by change, plus PoE2 shares a genre with a Blizzard game, which means that it's gonna get psychotic shitposters by default, and on top of that D4 is shit even for a Nu-Blizzard game so they're extra riled up.

Path of pick one build.

>>718977569
Yeah what they had going into EA launch was amazing but all they've really done since then is capitulate to reddit and turn the game into PoE1. What is the point of trying to support two games if you just design them to be the same? I thought one of the main points of making PoE2 its own game was to have 2 different experiences. And now they even talk about porting the things that make 2 mechanically different like WASD to PoE1. Why support 2 games when you're doing everything you can to make them the same? Dogshit retarded studio direction.

ONE BUILD

>there is less people playing both PoE AND PoE 2 combined than last epoch on steam
is last epoch good or GGG went to shit after chris left

>>718970759
it had like 2 builds and they'll both probably end up nerfed to shit
>doing the stomp-rake which gets you through the lower level
>spamming lightning spear like you're motherfucking Zeus at higher level because lightning spear build comes "on-line" later

>>718978014
>is last epoch good
no arpg players are just literal addicts

>>718957783
What I want to play play is the best thing, simple as that, playing something weaker than others isn't fun for me.

>>718978014
Everyone went to play it as a form of protest.
Last Epoch isn't bad, but it's funny to see the reaction of all these idiotic ecelebs when they realized that it has less content and isn't as polished as even Poe 2

let me know when RF is back

>>718978014
poe hasn't had any new content in months
last epoch had a huge release couple of days ago

>>718977558
there's numerous ways your wrong.

D4 has plenty of flaws, but I can tell what the fuck is going on visually at least, POE2 has a huge problem of enemies blending into enviro's and moving at five thousand feet per second.

that alone is a huge detriment, never has an ARPG been more unreadable at a glance than POE2.

>>718978327
PoE2 is nothing compared to the spam of some PoE1 bosses.

>>718978327
I'd have to disagree, the visuals in poe2 make it really easy to tell where and what enemies are. The pushing is annoying but what can you do.

>>718955991 (OP)
>apparently the company is under constant DDOS or so they claim
I believe it. They have a lot of "fans", deranged, old good, new bad, nostalgia addicts that lose their minds whenever a company does something new with an IP. Adding sprint, fixing the awful trading system and adding additional QoL, and worst of all: increasing the difficulty. I'm honestly surprised none of them have gone postal and shot up the GGG office.

>>718978014
It's good, best crafting system in the genre and it's not even close, best SSF experience too so you don't have to message chink bots. The problem is that the company is remote work AA-tier studio, so there pacing of updates is glacial and the amount of endgame content is subpar

>>718957783
That's a retarded sentiment I used to have as well. There are just too many variables to know and think about to make a half decent build on your own. You can make some cookie cutter shit with mediocre dps but doing it will get old pretty soon. It makes much more sense to copy builds of people who know what they are doing, try to understand why those builds work, and then after you've gone over enough builds and learnt enough about the game, try to make your own.

>>718957812
>and that's if they don't succumb to Euro-Vacation into Dev Hell back into Euro-vacation (I know they are Kiwi's but they take breaks like Euro's)
Nooooooooo you can't just have heckin' time off!!!! You're company property, you leave when the money class says you can leave!!!

>>718978528
>I believe it. They have a lot of "fans", deranged
yeah i believe it too, just looking at their forums or poeg they are spamming schizo's in there

>>718957783
Ok, make GGG NOT balance the drop rates around others playing the very best optimized builds and I will. Or even better, make them create non-transferable SSF with drop rates boosted to trade tier and I will.
Retard.

They should've just made an expansion for PoE1 like they originally planned. All the interviews you can see Jonathan is just a nervous wreck on copium, it's pretty clear that Chris Wilson was the brains behind GGG.

>>718978671
You act like it's some herculean task to pick a damage type or an ailment you like and build around it. It's not. If you're playing Hardcore, most of your investment should be into defenses anyway.

0.3 is going to be kino

>>718978734
It's the curse of being a niche game with an addicted player base. Yes, those players with play your game to the end of time. But you can never do anything new without sending them over the edge.

>>718955991 (OP)
the fact that some faggot on /v/ is whining about how the new update doesn't have the exact thing they wanted is actually a good sign for the game's quality

POE1 fanbase is legitimately the most schizophrenic bunch of retards I've seen in the videogame communities over the past 20 years, and I really mean that. It's on the same level as nintentoddlers and counter strike freaks, completely deranged and braindamaged mongoloids. And somehow GGG caters to these people, every single time, with every new patch. Clown world.

>>718978913
this thread is proof of exactly that, it was made by a vg schizo look at the first comment he spams that in poeg non stop he has a scat fetish too degen behaviour obsessed with a game he apparently dislikes makes no sense but the mentally ill make no sense, maybe he likes being called that because people have tried to make their flaws fashionable nowadays

>>718978494
lying nigger, any grassy area has enemies blend in hard.

the deserts are easy the forest and grasses are not

its cinematic the first time and that's it.

>>718977293
This is the most retarded take ive ever seen. They SHOULD be trying new things, they SHOULD be attempting to do things differently, and they SHOULD learn from their mistakes.

This is an entirely natural and good process.

>>718978969
I disagree. gachatrannies and mmofags are still worse, even if poe retards are glue sniffing slot machine drop rng addicts.
I think I could see an argument for them being the 3rd worst after those 2 though.

>>718978725
is posting a strawman of what I said enjoyable to you?

Euro-style "6 vacations a year" is my gripe, not taking one a year like normal fuckers.

there's a reason NOTHING comes out on time with people who work like that, they are basically never working.

>>718979374
brother get your eyes checked, that and they already nerfed ground clutter like 7 months ago for blind bastards like yourself

>>718978776
>Nightreign has like 5x the players

sad, really sad, bad sad.

beaten by a literal asset flip (that is also funner than POE2)

>>718956370
>is actually 5 months past the estimated
there was no estimation, the steam page has always said at LEAST 6 months

The people who knew what they were doing at GGG quit over a decade ago.

>>718978969
No, it isn't. Go check gacha generals on the /v/ archive. For instance, Fire Emblem threads have grotesque AI slop monsters shitting out of every orifice spammed all the time.

>>718978969
It's a F2P game, that comes with the territory. It will always have a crowd of absolutely terrible people screeching at PoE2.

>>718978969
Nah, it's going to take years before the game truly lives up to Poe1 autist standards.

>>718978776
bald fucking retard presided over the long descent.

>>718979515
what they meant was a minimum of 3 years, which is a far cry from 6 months but okay lol.

enjoy the drip feed.

>>718979593
nigga do you know what at least means

>>718978969
FACTUAL

>>718978969
POE1 is made up of diablo fans that have been assblasted by any change blizzard has made since Diablo 2. GGG literally can do nothing to survive except cater to them.

>>718978969
They cry like a bunch of bitches non-stop too

THEY ARE BETA

>>718979778
good, that's their fate.

>>718979523
those are just the resident /vg/ schizos. they infest most every thread and just shit them up. generals spawn schizocampers.

>>718979778
To be fair, they marketed themselves as the successor to the legacy of Diablo after rampant dissatisfaction with Diablo 3. There's nowhere else it could have gone, really.

>>718979515
Wait for real? I'm pretty sure they said EA was going to be 12 months long no?

PoE would be so much better if you didn't have to redo the campaign every 3 months. That really saps the fun out of anything.

>>718978969
Man at least they play their game, most wow players are actual schizos that have not touched wow in 15 years still obsessing over the game.

>>718980039
they did, but people do this thing called revising history to suit the new narrative.

POE2 can't possibly launch 1.0 in a year so now it was "6 months or more" or something else they never said.

mind you, they've been working on this fucker a while and somehow only had 30% of the game even in a shit state.

>>718980067
at least they finally took out cruel difficulty so you don't have to run through acts 1-3 twice per character

>>718980039
from day one the steam page said pic related, there is no revising history this is just a fact. notice how no one brings up any interviews of it taking 12 months

>>718979438
It's not a strawman if it's true, and you just proved it's true.

>>718980132
They should just start your character at 60 or something and have a way to level up. The campaign is fun ONCE after that it's just a slog and full of "oh yeah that part".

>>718980039
6-12 months is what they said when they launched last year. Recently they have been saying they plan to leave early access once the campaign is done, whether or not the classes are all released. That probably explains why thier big content drop doesnt have a new class.

>>718980113
>>718980195
Oof
I mean to be fair, they are pretty bad at estimations

>>718957596
lilith statues lol

>>718980067
I think all these games would be so much better of gear was locked behind skill checks instead of grinds.

Like grinding is the worst part of games like elden ring.

>>718980345
That's pretty much always been one of their big weaknesses as a dev studio.

>>718980367
Played every season and I've still not done that shit lmao
The most pointless boring slop of a system ever made

>>718980067
do they really not have a system like the past 2 diablo games where after you beat the game you can just level up by doing sidequests or random dungeon quests?

>>718980345
GGG has never really given estamations tho, they also pussy foot around release dates. it's why when they said shit like
>late march (as an example)
people default to the very last day of the month

>>718980296
This is what bothers me, we are now 8 months in and we are still missing 2 acts, 4? weapons, and i dont even know how many classes. I think they realized it pays better to treat the beta like a full release and not a beta, it'll be 2 years before we get to act 6.

>>718980113
I believe GGG has been in the red or marginal black for a long, long time, and they long ago cut development personnel massively. The Tencent sale was to create liquidity to keep Wilson's baby afloat.

>>718980509
I would find your headcanon very hard to believe.

>>718980420
its like I said, 4-6 vacations a year, no joke.

they cannot ever get shit done when they work like that, for one the sheer amount of days off is immense and ungodly for people who have actual products to create and not just running a resturant or w/e, but more than that, taking time off disrupts workflow.

doing it multiple times a year ruins your ability to create anything.

>NEW: Flicker Strike: Quality now provides +0-20% more Damage per Power Charge Consumed, instead of 0-20% Chance to not remove Charges on use.

FLICKER IS DEAD

>everyone gets a buff

JONATHAN FUCKING LIEEEEEEEED

NEW UPDATED VALUES

https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/3826682#contentupdate0.3.0--pathofexile2:thethirdedict

SEARCH FOR "NEW"

>>718956239
Wowie, did you come up with that one all by yourself?

>>718980478
Skipping campaign= less engagement
Also the campaign is actually the best part of poe2

>>718980592
4-6 vacations seems relatively normal, no?

>>718980067
You have to let go of this poe1 mindset, the campaign should be and is something to enjoy playing through.

>>718980548
oh, what's their cashflow looking like? it can't be high anymore, a huge blip with POE2 launching and then a slow decline into nothing.

they uped their Dev team and costs for this behemoth and it didn't pay off and they IMMEDIATELY took a vacation on its launch day and then another 4 weeks later after getting back.

>>718980548
>be deeply invested in your personal VISION for PoE1 and 2
>decide to give tencent a substantial minority stake in your company
Makes perfect sense.

>>718980694
If they have the freedom to take so many vacations I'd imagine it's pretty good then, no?

>>718980628
>NEW: Sorcery Ward: Quality now grants Barrier can take Elemental Damage up to +0-5% of your Armour and Evasion Rating (previously +0-10%).
>NEW: Profane Ritual: Quality now provides 0-10% chance to not destroy Consumed Corpse (previously 0-20%).
>NEW: Mantra of Destruction: Quality now provides Requires 0-1 fewer Combo to use (previously 0-2).
>NEW: Hand of Chayula: Quality now provides +0-20% increased Duration of Socketed Gems, instead of Supported Curses have 0-10% increased Magnitudes. It still also provides increased Effect of Socketed Marks.

Jonathan, once again, guilt trippiing everyone in playing what HE wants

It's 0.2 all fucking over

>>718980694
>>718980509
>game with expensive whale supporter packs, expensive mtx, and basically mandatory stash tabs
you have to be retarded to thing poe in any way is bleeding money. whatever problem that company has is purely from autism on what they want the game to be

>>718980668
what? where the fuck do you live and work?

Euro right?

no where else in the world but Euro and their mutant children vacation like that.

in America you get 1 maybe 2 a year (and the people who take 2 are likely taking 4 days each one, so basically nothing)

the only fuckers taking 4-6 vacations a year in "real work world" are ultra wealth-do-nothings, not even CEO's do that because they actually have some work to do.

>>718980735
What's better than money? More money.

>>718980787
no.

Opening MtG packs is better than more money.

>>718980836
I haven't done that in maybe 20 years, i've forgotten the joy it brought.

>>718980747
they don't have freedom to, they have a culture of taking vacations like that in Kiwi world (same with Brit world and a few other places on this globe) it isn't that they can, or should its that they will because its what Kiwis do.

most places that are essentially funded and propped up by actual real countries can afford their population to take like 5-7 vacations a year because they essentially don't matter as people or workers because they are Tourist spots or w/e and are basically ants in a terrarium for rich people.

GGG is in that enviro... but trying to make a real product, and just can't cope with actual production of modern games because of it.

>>718980786
California. everywhere I have worked gives 15-20 days off a year minimum, and people seem to do 4 or 5 vacations a year (people with families basically have to take a vacation when school is out, its the only chance they get and daycare/camp is about the same cost anyways)

>>718980903
Rich Fag central, no where else in America do people get that many vacations but New York (the rich side of it) Finger lakes, and Cali.

>>718980903
Anon, these people are going on proper holidays.

when will this shit go f2p

>>718980903
GGG are kiwis, they take like 90 days off a year in vacations.

20 days lol that's nothing, some Euro's take like 1/3 the year off on vacations and days off.

>>718957596
>unironically shilling diablo 4
kys blizzdrone

>>718978969
keep crying tranny poe2 is dogshit and would be dead without streamer shilling

>wanted to play poe1 new league last time
>every build is just totems or traps or mines or ballistas
The player base is allergic to pressing buttons

>>718981051
the current meta is slams and ES bullshit

>>718981051
Can't blame the player base for doing what works. You blame the devs for bad balancing.

>>718981051
They seriously are. It's the prevalent school of thought among most people I talk to. Pressing more than 2 buttons is not something they're willing to do for mobbing. I don't really understand since doesn't PoE1 have Flask spam?

>>718981092
I dont care if that stuff works, its not interesting to me. Does nobody play PoE1 to have fun anymore?

>>718981109
poe1 has flask spam (unless if you use instilling orbs but thats the most softcore shit imaginable) and it also has curses, movement and maybe a divine blessing buff you need to use too.

>>718981109
flasks enable this simpler style of play. Back in diablo 2 you could spam potions, but you at least had to switch up some skills occasionally to be more effieicent, since potions were not unlimited.

Now with flasks it doesn't really matter about being efficient, you find a skill that is good enough for all situations and power through.

>>718981034
At least it's not Immortal.

>>718966552
It's jade.

The F R E E mtx for playing during the F R E E Weekend is nice.

>>718981138

I find autobombers/autopilot minions/other 0 button builds to be the most fun for me. If the game doesn't support that, then I won't be playing it.

>>718976523
because they have actual standards

>read up on Wilson's departure from GGG

In June he announced a new company, and heavily implies it'll be working on a d2 clone.

>>718982134
it's going to be a card game

>>718981051
>every build
The top 3 most popular Trickster builds don't use totems, traps, mines, or ballistas.
The most used skill in the league is mostly used as selfcast.
The second most used skill is a melee slam.
Builds like selfcast Energy Blade Inquisitor also still exist. You can even scale the Inquisitor and Occultist to giga endgame if you want.

Sounds like (You) just want to be spoonfed

How should I build a fisting Monk? I wanna fist

>>718979576
holy shit, people find this fun?

>>718980786
It's a new zealand thing not a GGG thing. They have a ton of federal holidays.

>>718982162
Gacha is 100% on brand.

>>718981389
>rope fishnets
HHHNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNGGGGGGG

>>718980407
>Like grinding is the worst part of games like elden ring.
when do you have to grind in elden ring?

>>718959085
>playing during the free weekend
they couldn't even keep the servers online for the "dead" poe1 last league launch good luck with 100k extra d4 dad gamers and sponsored twitch viewer retards in there

>>718980407
I bet you think you have to grind in JRPGs too.

>>718980407
>skill checks
like what lmao

>>718982308
those are just regular armor
the mtx is the hood, staff and backpack+cloak

>>718962473
jesus christ that sucks so much dick, you cant even cast spells without tanking a bajitrillion points of damage.

>>718981389
Free weekend? Nice I might try it

>>718978014
I'd rather be drug over a bed of hot coals than play Last Epoch again, and its not like a
>I just find this distasteful
kind of bad, its a genuine kusoge where the entire game was developed remotely by people all over the world, even in literally Africa, and the game is a broken glitchy low budget mess that is unironically "balanced" by doing exactly whatever reddit wants. Nothing in the game works properly.

PoE is literally just that bad right now. ARPGs are a failed genre. Look at this cutscene dude:
https://youtu.be/GjI3Vi26iuM&t=28198
People would rather play this than PoE. Its become a clown world genre now. The people telling you to play LE and GD are genuine retards.

>>718982330
The random dogshit weapons from random enemies.

>>718982378
Like killing a boss in elden ring.

>>718981389
huh, that's actually really nice

>>718982162
What makes you say that? He implied it's another D2 successor so heavily it's practically confirmation.

>>718982760
>What makes you say that?
he's obsessed with magic

>>718982134
Thank god, at least someone will fix this mess.

>>718982631
The "people" playing LE are not actual video game enthusiasts, they are sheep following their chosen parasocial drama monger. Do not pay them any attention, they will hop from game to game following the trail of drama.

>>718982631
>The people telling you to play LE and GD are genuine retards.

Trvke
I don't understand why Reddit loves slop epoch so much
Shit is boring af

>>718979778
the developers are literally obsessed with d2 the whole point of poe1 is that its a successor to d2
you people are retards

>>718982802
There is someone in this very thread saying it has "the best crafting system ever". That's the level of discussion in these threads.

>>718982792
There's some hope, since the *vision* has left. Of course, he's been gone for a year and half, so I think you're pretty fucked.

>>718957596
The problem with these types of games is that drops are balanced around tens of thousands of players doing the content so someone will get one eventually. Have a single player/offline mode where drops are reasonable and you can reliably farm anything you want and they improve dramatically.

>>718982862
It has an amazing crafting system where I don't have to play slot machine simulator or read a 500 page document to engage with it. Stop samefaging and losing your mind poeschizoid, it's gonna be okay, the evil enemy to your gambling simulator is gonna die soon anyways with the crafton stuff

>>718982862
They honestly only want drama, they want you to argue with them, notice how for months they chose to only talk about LE in PoE2 threads and never actually made a general for it. They do not want to discuss LE, they want there to be beef between the games and their fanbases so their streamer will cover it and they can be a part of it. This isn't just a PoE problem, every game is swarmed with these retards in 2025.

>supports can be used multiple times
>passive tree has actually interesting things in it instead of some boring multipliers and str/dex/int
>jonathan finally had to face the fact his vision sucks
wow maybe poe2 will get back on track now
>>718982631
>The people telling you to play LE and GD are genuine retards.
based
LE feels like a game from 10 years ago and not in a good way

>>718982269
Any proper zoomzoom speedfarming build takes days, sometimes weeks of farming to put together. The real fun is in the gradual progression to get to that point.

>>718982969
>Stop samefaging and losing your mind poeschizoid
Dude I don't even like PoE any more. GGG has been slowly taking away everything that made PoE good and unique since Chris Wilson left. I'm just pointing out that you're a literal retard and these threads are only making the board worse by giving people like you a platform to be here, because that game is complete and utter shit. Better to not have ARPG threads at all.

>>718982995
This guy needs to get the pathofmath treatment

>>718982995
>Any proper zoomzoom speedfarming build takes days, sometimes weeks of farming to put together
Uh what, no it doesnt

>>718982683
>The random dogshit weapons from random enemies.
ahh I see, yea that's annoying. You can boost your item discovery with craftable items, but it turns a 1% drop into a 2-3% drop

>>718983075
Uh huh. The "POE1 schizophrenics are easily top-5 most deranged fanbases" claim proves right every single thread on every platform.

>>718983075
>PoE good and unique since Chris Wilson left
literally every single controversial manifesto that pisses off everyone was made by chris

>>718982995
Thank god they nerf everything like this in Poe 2

>>718955991 (OP)
>Cruel removed
Gods be praised. reruns are so lame

>>718983229
Except they're bringing this shit back bit by bit with every new patch because the path of exile 1 fanbase loses their fucking mind if they don't lmao

>>718983229
i really like posts like this cause it's obvious they are pretending like both mark and chris haven't said they want the endgame to play more like poe1.

>>718975817
Mein Gott. At what point is it fair to say that the itemization is awful if you have to go through all of that to get something good.

>>718983229
It's literally crashing the server, so good?

>>718981389
Queen

>>718983418
I think it's more that the systems they have are unfinished or undercooked and they want to beat around the bush instead of just accept and work on it.

>They are tripling the amount of currency items in the game
maybe itll help, who knows

>>718983216
The Vision

>>718983156
Anyone who's asking if people find this game fun in the first place won't be playing 8-12 hours a day

>>718983491
It's just giving people more dollars to pull your slot machine lever, it doesn't fix anything, it's the same garbage system

>>718983216
>everyone
By everyone do you mean reddit, because things sure got a lot worse when he left

>>718982995
this is 100% the phenotype I'd expect would be into skinnerbox slop like this

>>718983531
VISION TM

Without it, PoE would be nothing.

>>718983629
A college professor? Because he is one.

the fact that there's still no proper ingame way to set up a loot filter and you have to rely on some random 3rd party dude or rummage through literally hundreds of trash items dropping every minute is insane

>>718983629
no onions sauce sir me so sorry

>>718983667
I played for 570 hours without a lootfilter, it's pretty easy to do anon.

>>718966103
if poe2 turns into poe1 im blowing up the planet

>>718983667
use neversink's

>>718983703
How do you even see the screen in t17s without a loot filter

>>718983703
suuuure, you also played with no stash tabs and no trading with chink bots I'm sure

>>718983748
The drops aren't as wild as PoE, vision was never an issue but clicking on things accidentally was, on occasion.

>>718983629
Average league of legends/Dota phenotype

>>718955991 (OP)
so do have all classes their own spacebar dodge yet? or do they still not get how important a seperate dodgeskill for at LEAST every archetype
aka why does every char play like a mudmuncher?

>>718983780
Well at first it was because I wasn't sure what I wanted to see and what I didn't want to see, then I was lazy and never bothered to do it because I never felt annoyed enough to do so.

>>718983667
You can use this site and customize your own.
https://www.filterblade.xyz
Can even save and sync it to your actual PoE Account.

>>718983908
Only dipshits who can't separate good from bad at a glance need a loot filter in PoE2.

>>718983629
jungle ryan browses the poe general and probably these threads too so i hope you know he's probably crying right now

>>718984082
I know, I don't want to use a random 3rd party website for a crucial in game feature, I want the devs to do their fucking job so I can do this myself in pathofexile.exe. Somehow last epoch managed it, not possible for the goat fuckers I guess

>>718983309
>>718983391
Have you even read the changelog for 0.3? Lightning Spear has been significantly nerfed just like all other ‘chain’ bullshit.
They added several new potentially good screen cleaning abilities, but all of them either require preparation or have a cooldown. The new Deadeye with marks that most meta trannies promote will be significantly worse at cleaning the screen than that webm

>>718984254
It's simple a waste of their resources when someone else has already done it so well. It takes less than a minute to set it up through filterblade you stubborn gorilla nigger.

>>718984629
Them caving in and allowing usage of the same support gems is a complete admission of defeat regardless of anything else they tweak. We're getting POE1.5 and nothing will change.

>>718984791
>allowing usage of the same support gems is a complete admission of defeat regardless
It's entirely the opposite though? How does using the same support gems on different skills help retards who want to blow up the entire screen with one skill?
On the contrary it allows you to have several skills capable of inflicting damage which fits into the vision

>>718984791
>We're getting POE1.5 and nothing will change.
isn't that the entire point? you want them to just abandon their existing playerbase? that didn't go so well for them last poe2 patch

>>718985431
No, it wasn't the point, as Jonathan said over and over with his MUH VISION shit.

>>718985547
retard

>>718955991 (OP)
>no fun allowed the game
wont get any better with the retarded dev "vision"

>>718985431
They still stick to their vision.
0.2 died because they increased the health of all enemies fivefold and reduced player damage without even putting it in the patch notes. And this time they're buffing all combo abilities to force people to use them. One of the main new features is literally a new mechanic that encourages players to use different spells for bonus effects

>>718982995
>>718983629
That's fucking dogshit but leveling up a character is an even worse and more horrendous experience

There is nothing fun about POE2, NOTHING 0 NADA. Bitch all you want about Diablo but Diablo knows how to do ARPGs

i liked the vision... i dont want to zoom zoom and have items and farming/gear reqs and dps checks to require zoomzoom tier currency per hour just like poe1

>>718976523
Dont call rollslop that is poe2 an arpg please

>>718976523
they are all dopamine addicts that treat any form of friction that goes against maximizing drops as bad game design. outside of trading, im not a fan of trading in general but poe1 trade is fucking dogshit and im glad they're doing something about it for the people that want to trade

>>718985741
Chris taught them well.

>>718955991 (OP)
Putting souls-like gameplay mechanics into an isometric ARPG with billions of enemies on-screen was a horrible idea

>>718985659
>How dare you!
>do you have any idea how many stash tabs I bought!

>>718986341
skill issue

>>718986341
I really liked it.

>>718986341
It's the natural leap forward. PoE1 basically capped out what an ARPG can be in terms of interwoven systems. The only way to push the genre forward at this point was to revamp the combat and make it more interactive. PoE2 is the first ARPG to do this, let alone anything progressive for the genre, in 20 years.

>>718986572
I mean it's definitely a very subjective take, but for me ARPG is all about spending 100 hours building a megabuild that can annihilate the whole map and one shot bosses. Getting there and then still having to roll and parry shit is not satisfying at all.
But that's just me.

>>718986728
For me, that's exactly the point where I'd get bored and uninterested in continuing to play. So the fact that it's less attainable is a good thing for me. Either way I think people will always come up with crazy builds that do stuff like that.

What part about early access do you fucking retards not understand?

>>718987292
>early access = finished game
same shit retard

>>718987292
Every part of it.

>>718987292
>What part about early access do you fucking retards not understand?

>>718986572
same poe2's gameplay is kino

>>718955991 (OP)
I can see it having druid as a last second surprise. Im just gonna roll a chronomancer no matter what anyway. How was .2? Me and my friend didnt realize it launched till a week later so we skiped it. I assume 50% of everyone was the huntress?

>>718987453
druid is coming 0.4 jonathan said in a interview

>>718978890
>>718955991 (OP)
I'm going to play a chayula darkflame caster, stacking a ton of +chaos, +spell and defense notables with the elemental ailment cast spirit gem. My chaos converted fire damage will apply all 3 ailment and shoot a billion beautiful purple balls everywhere

>>718987409
>everyone else bitches about having to carefully deal with every pack
>meanwhile I'm happily fully clearing every map slow as can be
>don't do too well in the opening days, only in the top 500s
>slow and steady wins the race, eventually make it into the top 100 solely off of not dying, climbing over tons of dead bodies
>do eventually die but am more than satisfied at that point, character is still in the top 100-200 since
PoE2 is sick.

>>718987494
Ah. Well whatever. Ide prefer more classes simply cause it would make the economy easier for me. But no big. Poe2 has been such a shitshow.

>>718987453
>How was .2?
They increased the health of monsters in the campaign by 5 times or even more in some places. Poe community is full of spineless bitches so people either left or just used the lightning spear which was very OP (and boring)

>>718987532
its poe1 players that nuke maps with one button pay no mind to them

>>718987514
bloodmage or stormweaver elemental infusion for me

>>718987545
the game needed to be fixed desu this patch is more important than a druid coming in

>>718987586
You don't level with Lightning Spear, you dumb noob. Stop talking about games you don't play.

The part that I dont like about the game is the always online policy

>>718987586
>People used the new thing
wow, shocking

>>718987623
I don't give a shit what you faggots are playing. Meta trannies should just kill themselves

>>718971783
Not this year.

>>718971783
2026

>>718987702
>>718987695

>>718973641
They buffed loot quant in 0.2 with mods on your map and now buffed rarity with map mods in 0.3

>>718987586
Everyone was excited and played lightning spear huntress because of Diablo 2 Amazon Lightning Fury you fuckface

>>718987893
The rarity numbers on the maps look massively nerfed from what they were, but it's hard to say what that translates to since all the other stats are easier to get other than rarity. Also, to get that, you have to deal with maps only having nasty mods instead of the old system where we could roll things that don't hurt us. It's definitely going to be different.

>>718987956
it didnt raise as you added map modifiers it raised waystone drop chance thats it you got it wrong

>>718955991 (OP)
i might take this hoe off my wishlist. i only added it in the hopes they would either add a class i care about where i can play as a babe, or remove the genderlocked functionality of classes so it wouldn't matter. if they're struggling and delaying again, though, the odds of that ever happening are starting to sound slimmer and slimmer.

>>718987695
>>718987945
People switched to it in the middle of a campaign or even on maps because it was much better than their build. Of course there were people who wanted to play it just because it was something new, but within a week they were in the minority.

>>718988075
you dont play the game

Havent played since like the first month. Loved chronomancer. What ended up being the "meta" development for her? I assume no one knows since no one plays her?

>>718988075
Explain to me how a Lightning Spear build works. You can't. You probably think they just press Lightning Spear and it works. You don't understand anything about any of it.

>>718988192
I don't give a shit and I have no idea.
But you made a good point, you don't even need to understand how meta builds work you just press a button and everything dies.

>>718988242
God, you're fucking stupid.

>>718988242
So you have no idea what you are talking about and are just wasting everyones time, including your own, by making useless posts?

got it

>>718957596
>POE2's gear aquisition looks like a 90 degree cliff, you are weak, and suddenly, your 500% exponentially stronger, because you gave someone a Div for a good weapon.
this just means you don't know how to play the game and have zero knowledge of gearing.

>>718988242
Pathetic.

>>718957721
it won't because no matter how much damage you can shit out, you'll still be slow as fuck and take 15 minutes to walk through each map. the actual gamebreaker is going to be async trade being hyperbotted if they don't remove every method of vendoring items for gold.

>>718988270
>>718988271
>>718988337
>You don't understand! 80% of players use the same skill because they simply want to, not because it's broken.
I am absolutely certain that extended playing of Poe causes brain damage

>>718988381
Nobody said that. I demonstrated that you have no fucking clue what you're talking about and your response was "yeah bro, I don't." Point proven.

>>718958145
you dont need as many defenses in poe2 as far as I'm aware. all I had last league was capped res and 4k life and basically never died running juicy area level 83 maps. only times I died were to like arbiter or being a retard when fighting certain map bosses with big slams.

>>718988404
Do I really need to know something about broken skill that everyone uses to say that it is broken and everyone uses it?

>>718988468
>>718987695

>>718988468
Why should anyone care about what some dumbfuck who doesn't know what he's talking about thinks? What relevant information do you have to provide on this subject you self-admittedly know nothing about?

>>718982953
There's a much bigger issue and it's basically about how gear is made. Hoping for someone to get a big drop isn't how this game is fundamentally meant to be played, it's just kinda how things end up with all the players in the game when there's a marketplace. The way you're meant to play POE is by gambling your items. The game doesn't actually teach you the process of how you're really meant to do it it's just something you're supposed to do when you have a decent amount of currency. But that also creates a problem where if you have a decent amount of currency, how exactly did you obtain it? If the game showers you in currency then the market gets inflated, but if it's just from lucky drops and selling those drops, then realistically how lucky can you be to afford crafting your own gear? POE's gearing system needs a much more intuitive system for the player, because as it stands now everyone is just playing an even more insufferable version of slots. It's not easy getting god pieces, which is fair, but with how often you miss even getting something wearable it makes you question the point of it all.

And in consideration of all this, most players will be priced out of being able to afford good gear on the market if they don't play within the first week of any season. Even when you barely got currency last time the market still got overinflated very quickly. Normal players can't keep up with that so then they really have to rely on either getting super lucky shit to sell or super lucky gambling their pieces. Either that or you suffer through immense time investment just to buy your way back into the market.

>>718988492
>>718988550
Ok. I don't understand why you're so upset about it.
Either way they nerf every aspect of that build several fold and that at least means something

>>718955991 (OP)
>new """league"""
>no challenges or reward mtx
poe 2 isn't good enough to bother playing without that extra incentive.

>>718988468
How do you know that skill is broken and the situation isn't that everything else is brokenly weak?

>>718988678
>>718988660

>>718988564
Harvest was a good league.

>looks at HC stats
>first people to reach level 100 in both HCSSF and HC are Invokers
>only one LS spammer even reached 100 in HCSSF
>look at POE2.ninja stats, which are a microcosm of all builds since you have to submit it, but gives some ideas
>32% LS on HCSSF, 42% on HC
Oh, but it seems that they were slower than Invokers anyway. And definitely far less safe in an SSF setting. Turns out usage rates in a vacuum don't mean much.

>>718988750
harvest was a shit league that people remember fondly because of its OP crafting system. ritual was "the" good league with a decent league mechanic PLUS harvest's item editor before the nerfpocalypse of expedition.

>>718988862
You can use spears on Invoker

>>718988921
Having gear is nice, anon.

Your baits don't work in the general, and thus, you came here. Grim.

>>718988948
i have good gear every league because I'm not bad at the game.

>>718988983
you literally traveled across boards just to get baited then claim that the bait that you got baited by didn't actually bait you.

>playing poe
>playing poe2
>playing GGG sharts in 2025

LMAO LOL!!!!!

>>718989047
Seek help, agent 17

I will never forgive GGG for what they did. I know all of you claim to "like" PoE2, because the meme is that everyone knows it's shit but you say you like it because it makes people mad. I get that, your life is a shitpost.

But GGG took one of the best, most consistently good and growing online games in the world, the only game actually keeping the ARPG genre afloat, and that I could count on every 3 to 4 months to have all new content and challenges to do, builds to perfect, and things to spend currency on.

They had all of that, and instead they unceremoniously took the game out back behind the dumpster and shot it, specifically because they were convinced that the dumb, retarded, deformed clone-son of it that they cooked up without a game design document or any concept of why people played their game, was not only better but was worth tanking their whole company for.

This game has literally been in development for almost a fucking decade, and they STILL DON'T KNOW WHAT THE BASIC GAMEPLAY LOOP IS SUPPOSED TO BE.

>>718989295
The game design doc was ruthless mode, anon.

>>718989353
Ruthless mode was a joke experiment that never functioned properly and was abandoned immediately.

>>718989295
Don't care, never played PoE1, never will until apparently years later when they get around to adding WASD which is such a dumb decision by them, PoE2 is fun.

>>718989429
Except that Chris was consistently trying to merge it into the main game the entire time he was there.

>>718989429
created by chris wilson

>>718989458
Chris also consistently, despite being told so for many years, never actually understood the correlation between loot and league retention. His insistence was that people wanted harder tuned league base content with more puzzles and hidden systems between the player and their loot, rather than just understanding that the leagues that had the most players were the ones where shit was "broken" and loot was easy and plentiful.

But he never cared, he only ever wanted the game to be slower, less rewarding, and more about empty farming.

I took a minute to check /poeg/ and browse through the last few days of posts, I see what anon was talking about now. There seems to be one super schizo who has decided that lightning spear is his nemesis in life and spends hours in every single general thread crying about it, using the same terms over and over again to let everyone know it is in fact one schizoid.

fucking weird man

>>718989570
>But he never cared, he only ever wanted the game to be slower, less rewarding, and more about empty farming.
Because ironically, despite this ostensibly not being what the players want, when you give all that stuff to the players, they get bored and lose interest faster. See Last Epoch.

>>718989647
Isn't that business as usual for /vg/? Every general thread I've seen people mention here is schizo central.

>>718989715
Yeah, pretty much.

>>718962758
sorry, this is a arpg the best we can do is a screen wide whirlwind that one-shot everything

>>718989647
its not just LS he hates poe2 for some reason but wont shut the fuck up about it

>>718989570
I want all of those things. I want complex leagues with "chase" loot that not every dadgamer retard can get, and lots of new interesting NPCs and OP busted builds. Mercenaries was great because it provided all of this.

>>718989647
I swear something similar happened to a gw2 general there because an absolute schizoid couldn't handle being rejected

>>718989650
>when you give all that stuff to the players, they get bored and lose interest faster.
That's not true. Anon, I was there for every single PoE league, I know which ones had the best retention and which ones sucked dick. You know what the best leagues for everyone were? Shit like Delirium where they introduced the most broken shit ever created with Cluster jewels and allowed people to fairly easily, make builds that could stroll through maxed-out delirious maps auto-Arc blasting things for millions of damage and being showered with so much loot it crashed instances. People love that shit, because more loot flowing through the economy and player hands mean even the most stupid, low-skill players can build in ways they've never been able to before, they can learn to craft, they can get into selling stuff. More loot gives people more reason to keep playing. Less loot always means a dead league because no one wants to scrounge and farm for basic scraps to play with.

>>718989650
So springs the skinner box and gambling addict accusations: that the fun of the game, in the end, is the hit of dopamine you get with the *potential* of winning or losing.

Coming up with interesting builds is the non-degenerate dopamine hit, but that requires a game with good enough balance to have many viable builds. Which PoE did not have.

>>718989784
Fair enough. I'm probably biased by my perspective and tastes.

>>718989647
/poopg/ is one of the worst generals on that board because of a handful of weaponized autism schizos who repeat the same shit over again every day forever, and now the inherent "competition" between poop1 and poop2 that makes the schizo problem even worse. off the top of my head I can think of at least three different schizos that shit up that general. there's "17", "muh cookie clicker" anon, and a prominent anime avatar troon. they could all be the same person tho for all I know.

>>718989841
I do think that just increasing the loot doesn't fundamentally address anything. That's exactly what they did in 0.2, but I agree with the other anon that it did keep me playing and I remember thinking about how I wouldn't have kept playing if the loot was so bad. But that's because the game had more or less run its course at the progression that I had. There wasn't much left to upgrade other than long-shots and my build had more than enough performance to handle everything. All the extra loot did was keep me on the treadmill, it did feel very much like a skinner box. I was very conflicted about it. I dunno how to feel still, I guess.

>>718989937
says the scat fetish faggot who spams poop shit turd all day long i got you filtered over there buddy dont you worry about that

>>718955991 (OP)
>>718956239
>>718956370
>>718956653
>>718957596
>saw hype for the release
>waited a few days
>made a discord-coordinated thread to ensure they'd cover all the first replies
Going so low as to praise anything Blizzard after TFT should be a ban.

>>718990042
>nonsensical tranny ranting
ah, looks like the anime avatar troon found its way here and is now being a schizo here too.

>>718989937
From my limited perusing I did see notice "Cookie Clicker" schizo and I wager that is who was in this thread earlier.

>>718957296
not that guy but I agree it is kinda bad. GGG are basically throwing in the towel. They tried making a combo system but the PoE1 fanatics basically refuse to make use of it. you had some of the most popular PoE streamers putting 1 skill and only 1 skill on their bar and just hitting that repeatively all game then crying when they die about an unfair game. Yes those streamers are unfathomably retarded, but they have an audience of like 10k people watching them and that audience is also retarded and wont buy a game if streamer man says hes not having fun. Like i watched one streamer, one of the most popular literally just have 1 skill on his bar, not even the movement skill, and ironically enough the movement skill his class did have actually buffed the 1 skill he was using so there was really no reason at all not to at least use it for movement and get a temp buff once in a while. Its just total brain rot and its crazy to watch.

Thats not to say GGGs whole damn system was not a design shitshow from the start.
its still a fun game to play through the campaign with, but getting serious about endgame and character balance will just leave you annoyed.

>>718990098
>wrote poop 3 times in 1 post
sure bucko im the schizo

>>718990146
The support gem change will actually allow people to setup secondary and tertiary skills so while it may not fix the entire issue it will mean you aren't stuck with literally zero support gems to put into 80% of your skills.

>>718990146
>getting serious about endgame and character balance will just leave you annoyed.
I remain very sympathetic to anyone that doesn't play Smith or ES.

>>718955991 (OP)
Is it possible to make a decent build without trading yet or are you still stuck relying on chinese gold farmers to play the end game?

>>718990284
If you have to ask this, the answer is no either way.

>>718990284
Always has been if you're not bad at the game, and since they buffed loot massively, even if you're bad at the game you should be fine now.

>>718990284
you need trade if you are asking this

>>718990187
>mocked the game for being shit
>that must mean he's into scat like me!
anime troon schizo coming in hot with the 70 IQ

>delayed to 2026
0.3 delayed to that? Kek

Imagine PAYING to beta test a game lmao what kind of retard would do that.

>>718956370
>promise release in reasonable time frame
>bait in tons of people
>becomes evident you're never making that release window
>release major patch around promised 1.0 release date instead
I think pantheon is doing this too.
Any other early access bait and switch abusers?

>>718990284
if you needed "chinese gold farmers" in the past it means you're fucking shit at the game and you will still need them in the future.

>>718990213
>The support gem change will actually allow people to setup secondary and tertiary skills
There was literally nothing preventing people from setting up secondary skills other than their own retardation.

Support gems range from mediocre to op as fuck, being able to duplicate them on any skill will just mean that the skills that get to make use of the most OP supports will be meta and thats that. You will cross reference to see which skills boost which skills, and which of those combos use the most of the best support gems and that will be your build.

>>718990432
there literally weren't even enough supports to make one dedicated primary skill with all damage supports, let alone multiples.

>>718990393
anon i dont care about the people in /v/ im not trying to convince anyone, im telling you, you got issues spamming that non stop you got some weird fetish on scat to be posting it non stop to the point i need to filter what you write because its schizo levels at this point i dont mind you not liking the game i dont care i like it but you spam scat fetish shit non stop to the point i just ignore you with filters

>>718990404
no its launching this week. OP is just retarded.
Devs said EA could last a year which would be December this year, looks like they wont get out of EA before then so OP added it to his post because his schizo mind cant decide whether he is complaining about the patch this week or EA as a whole

>>718990493
>take "unga bunga look at me im a retard" skill
>wow i put every good support gem on this skill, im so smart
>im going to put this skill and only this skill on my bar and just hit that 1 button for 8 hours a day
>hmmmmm whats this skill i just got, it buffs the only skill i use by 150% for 4 seconds after I use it, and gives me i-frames while moving my character around, should i put it on my bars?
>no i dont have any supports for it so it wont do as much damage as my main skill
>NOOOO WHY AM I NOT DOING ENOUGH DAMAGE AND DYING THIS IS SO UNFAIR GRRRR IM GOING TO COMPLAIN ONLINE!
This is not hyperbole. PoE1 players are literally this retarded.

>>718990708
Which PoE1 player is this?

>>718990708
cookie clicker schizo is here too! starting to think it and the anime troon are the same schizo after all.

amongst all the shitass nerfs of the patchnotes why has no one highlighted the dread that is requiring all the prior ”unarmed” moves to use gear such as quarterstaffs now? the very few rare opportunities of cross tree variety and combo expression is gone, even if its for things such as hand of chayula, which is a crazily underrated utility to have general access to from all classes, with how historically costly it is to mispath on the skilltree it doesnt somehow make hollow palm technique that much more valuable, it just serves to give everyone else less, esp if you actually need both hands empty/free rather than being able to use them with gear in hand like before. and most likely since cast on shock/freeze/X have been flattened into cast on ailment, most likely we‘ll only be able to get moves out via just the two easily accessible dualcast setups for non-invokers will just be cast on ailment and cast on critical, since dodge and minion death are nebulously shit to use for people not using highly specific setups.

>>718990981
we dont know the new tree

>>718990328
>>718990329
>>718990334
>>718990425
So yes considering how ass hurt that question made all of you.

>>718990825
I mean there were quite a few of them playing like this. THe person and skills i was thinking of specifically was Quin who made a rake build and didnt even have disengage on his bar for the disengage + rake tech, not to mention disengage itself being OP defensive utility in itself. Its just total PoE1 brained gameplay refusing to adapt. (at the time, i havent watched him in months maybe he is doing better now)

>>718991029
Whatever you say, tradie.

Yup pure satanic demonic unholy kino, POE2 will never be like this.

Tencent shill thread

>>718955991 (OP)
they literally created 10 million new unviable builds. by removing the 1 support restriction they originally designed the game around.
they also added an awkward Sprint bandaid when they realized, their huge empty maps with slow movement and backtracking in a seasonal game most people only play for for 2 weeks, doesn't mesh together very well.
they also noticed that the reward for ascending your character on some classes was actually a debuff with no real upsides, so bandaid fixed it to be a free node (they clearly actually play their own game!!!)

GGG are creative geniuses, deal with it.

>>718990981
>PoE1 shitters just want cokie clicker PoE1 power fantasy gameplay where they 1 shot everything then sort loot and will screech until they get it
>devs want more methodical gameplay that is more than pressing one button and they thought combos was the way to do it (bad idea imo)
in the end the dad gamers won because the campaign will still be enjoyable. Only the meta endless endgame farmers will suffer as they should until they find a better outlet for their autism.

>>718990413
im paying to play the game early. I have played games early before and sometimes the game is best before all the updates. Ark survival evolved peaked when dino levels were capped at like lvl 60, they can get like level 500 or something now, totally different game and i dont like it personally.

>>718956653
nothing is as shit as d4

>>718957634
technically its kinda out
just let the chuds develop the game for you and come around to 1.0
its what i will do

>>718957596
>>718956653

>>718990432
>There was literally nothing preventing people from setting up secondary skills other than their own retardation.
You had enough useful supports to max out one skill with MAYBE a second. It was awful to look at your skill list and know that those other 6 skills you have are going to sit at 1-2 support gems forever because there's literally nothing to use.

Confirmed for not playing the fucking game.

>>718957596
Oh yeah how come D4 runs better despite POE2 looking worse?

>>718991485
Why do you lie?

>>718991601
Log into the game right now and take a screenshot of your highest level characters skill window.

>>718991029
they all literally said yes, if you're a total shitter who sucks at the game (you are) then you will still require trade.

>>718955991 (OP)
>massive new patch, with massive amount of content, also changes so that a ton of new builds are enabled
>hurr durr they didn't add a new class! poop of excrement! sir please redeem diablo4
kek blizzshills on suicide watch

>>718955991 (OP)
Game have crafting????
I mean, why waste money on gambling when you can buy upgrade directly from people? Why even label gambling as crafting?
shit is stupid

>poe thread on /v/
>the exact same shitposts posted
>the exact same whining posted
>the exact same images posted
it's so tiresome to use /v/ these days

>>718991020
this doesnt have much to do with the tree, but rather the loss of diversity and functionality since the ability to play outside of these narrow range of archetypes was sorely lacking in game that this change reads like doubling down on this ”one weapon type with X specific abilities + a swap & spell if you have stats”, but to indulge a bit: the structure of the new tree doesnt change the cost and loss, we have a new cost when before there was not, and inherently that cost is not the same for each class. with the new gains and power potential yes there will be new toys and tools to play with that pulling power from one area of play is worth to enable X style/result, but that doesnt result in diversity or flexibility in the case of actually known details such as hollow palm where it gives you a form of diversity, but stripped of the prior functionality that you will again be made to express your play through it through such a specific set of parameters to access something (using habd of chayula again as an example) that otherwise wouldve been a general +1 utility to squeeze out a bonus. it sets things back to net neutral and often youll be better without due to the cost, not having gear equipped to use it and the inferior svaling youre giving it up for.

>>718991678
Basically this.
I would rather see significant improvements to existing classes and playstyles than a new class. The druid looks interesting but making casters playable is much more important.

>>718991816
this applies to every thread about every topic every day
/v/ is not that different from /vg/

>>718992023
I'd say /v/ is better on average.

Did they ever fix how retardedly huge and pointless each successive region gets?

>>718991816
the exact same autismo incels shitting up the place

>>718992119
They've done some things to help it.

>>718991816
POE2 is a slog, bosses take 10-15 minutes and are able to 1-2 shot you at times. Melee classes are fucked, the gameplay is extremely slow and the endgame is pure cancer.

Diablo IV is faster, can reach the endgame in a couple of weeks, get your seasonal items and stop playing and more importantly it's fun to play. It also looks better and has no microsutters.

POE is gigashit and will always be.

>>718991241
this is an example of a loss of combos and methdology imo so it feels like flattening things in that way while in some areas are positive, also carved out the few attempts at that goal that worked. cast on ailment is fine imo but whats missing in its place is acess to alternative triggers for things youre already doing since there is still the limit of links as well as having an alternate set of effects to use /w support gems outside of weapon swap setups maybe. having more access to weapon agnostic abilities that arent just spells is definitely a personal pain point and since having those was definitely a purpose to press another button for which is also going out the window.

>>718992261
Why would you out yourself as a worthless zoomer like that?

>>718992321
Zoomers don't play these games and the ones that do play POE2 cause asmongold said so.

>>718992354
>they play the non-blizzard game because the biggest blizzard shill in the world told them to do so
the impeccable logic of diablo 4 players

oh no critical thinking while having your own opinions? the horror

>>718992261
>POE2 is a slog, bosses take 10-15 minutes
LOOOOOL

>>718992261
even in 0.1 I could kill most bosses with in under three ignite bells and that was melee garbage

>>718988365
It's fucking done woth GOLD??

>>718988365
Just go back to poe1 for your 3 minute maps, you fucking zoomzoom loving zoomer

>>718975716
>The way skill gems are tied to individual weapons and support gems are are so pigeonholed never should have even been considered.
Wrong, it should be even more restricted. 2 should be the game you go to when you want an actual class/character to play, with specific weapons and a specific passive tree. Sorcs shouldn't even be able to equip a mace.

>>718982631
>people telling you to play LE and GD are genuine retards
Nothing wrong with Grim Dawn. It's great. It's just singleplayer focused, which is exclusively a zoomer problem

>>718992261
>weeks to reach D4 endgame
is this a dad gamer reddit copy-pasta? it must be. i reached "endgame" in D4 in less than 12 hours.

>>718993057
Go back to your dork souls games, cookie clicker schizo. This is not your genre.

>>718983229
What even is the fucking point of any ARPG if its endgame is not about turning yourself into a god? I don't get you people.

>>718994086
it's about journey, not destination

>>718994280
Well, spending weeks to turn yourself into a killing machine is the fun part. And when you get there, annihilating everything is also fun. If you want to struggle and then struggle some more, then go play some other genre. I don't know if a game like this even exist. Tarkov maybe? Because even in soulslop you eventually after enough ng+ get to a point you don't even need to parry or roll anymore, and just one shot everything. It's like an ultimate reward for spending so much time on one character. Isn't that the whole point of progression based systems?

>>718993625
my biggest problems with grim yawn are that
1. static world was incredibly dull on repeated playthroughs
2. no sense of progression. assuming you're keeping up in gearing, you move and kill at the same speed the entire time no matter how juiced and geared you are. the best part about D2 or PoE is that you start as a weak shitter and become a zoom zoom god at endgame.
3. the really fun builds are locked behind super endgame grinding, by which time I had already beaten the hardest difficulty and had no motivation left to farm anything else, having only ever seen one single piece of any of those endgame sets.

I suppose the up side to GD is that had I still felt the urge to play I could have just cheated in those items with no effort to have fun with them.

>>718994420
>you move and kill at the same speed the entire time
You didn't play grim dawn

>>718994086
Diablo 1 was more like modern Roguelikes
Diablo 2 didn't have an endgame at all. No, killing final boss over and over again doesn't count
The same applies to all games from the golden age of ARPGs. It only started appearing after success of WoW

>>718994406
>If you want to struggle and then struggle some more, then go play some other genre.
huh?
but PoE 2 was supposed to be game for me, it was literally advertised as game for me
but you and your ilk infest PoE 2 and demand it to be turned into PoE 1, why don't you go to other games, literally everything other live-service ARPG be d4, torchlight, undecember, poe1, etc. etc. are all mindless clicker stay there and leave poe 2 alone

>>718994569
>devs make new game
>old game which everyone loves is about to go on miminal life support
>WHY WONT YOU JUST STAY THERE HUH

>>718994502
>The same applies to all games from the golden age of ARPGs. It only started appearing after success of WoW
It's a consequence of live service. People can't just play a game, beat it and move on now. They have to play that one game continuously and nothing else.

>>718994751
Not really because even Diablo 2 was technically a live service game with events and updates. This is more of a problem with MMOs, which people demand to be endgame-loaded (although WoW in its heyday was mainly about the journey rather than the destination)

>>718994472
I have over 200 hours in it and have beaten it on ultimate. There is no purpose to play the game after that point, especially because of the permanent slog scaling with no quicksilvers, no movement speed, very few and very clunky movement skills that all have cooldowns, that keep you at the same molasses pace forever.

>>718994623
>on miminal life support
???
everyone knew that leagues will be alternated between two games after initial push for poe2, just wait for this to happen, what's the point of turning poe2 into poe1?
Once again, I remind you, that game was advertised as SLOW, fuck off with your zoom-zoom shit into literally any other live-service ARPG

>>718994569
>it was literally advertised as game for me
no, it wasn't. it was advertised as the sequel to a game you apparently hate and can't stop schizo ranting against.

>>718994884
>Diablo 2 was technically a live service game
Technically yes, but in practice it wasn't really. It had staying power because it was fun to play and chasing the gear/rune dragon was oddly appealing, for a while anyway. It didn't get regular content updates or anything like modern live service games do.

>>718994502
of course D2 had an endgame. it was just shallow and repetitive compared to the advances that other games have made in the genre, but the randomized layouts and rarity of the loot obviously suggest that they intended for people to grind the highest level zones of D2 for countless hours even after they had "beaten" the final bosses, in fact grinding those bosses over and over was built into the game itself and not something any normal games did outside the Diablo-like genre.

>Believing the 6 month timeframe they gave
Fucking lol.

>>718994990
>that game was advertised as SLOW
no it wasn't. i don't know where you dadgamers got this idea from. the devs constantly said in interviews that they fully expected and intended for people to break the game wide open in the endgame, and if they ever said anything about it being "slower" they were talking specifically about the campaign. are you a campaign warrior who quits when she gets to maps?

>>718984109
0.2 solved the problems with loot filters by simply not dropping any loot, genius!

>>718991148
i jerked off to andariel as a kid
also cool parrots

>>718995025
this is poe1 >>718979576
this is poe1 but 2 >>718982995
this is poe2 ad >>718966103
anyone can see the difference, poe2 was advertised itself as slow and serious game, literally every ad was like that, devs were talking about combos and shit, instead of 1 button spam

>>718995331
>poe2 was advertised itself as slow and serious game
go ahead and provide an example of poe 2 being advertised as "slow". you can't, because it never was. you're making shit up to justify your schizo autism.

>>718995140
It was never intended; players (a significant minority at the time) simply began doing it out of boredom. Replaying the game repeatedly was still the core
Either way I think Poe 2 is taking steps in the right direction by making the endgame more integrated into the campaign and accessible to casual players. The new easy difficulty bosses look like a great addition for people who just want to play the game and simply can't access a lot of the content because passage to some bosses costs more than everything they have

>>718955991 (OP)
Game's in EA still. Relax and be patient.

>>718995331
>this is poe1 but 2 >>718982995
this is how we know you're a fucking retard. jung is moving at like 10% movespeed there, not to mention the obvious frame drops. the irony being that 10% movespeed is what you claim you want poe 2 to be, while creative interactions that you consider "poe 1" are what the devs actually want, albeit not to the degree that they fry the servers. and would you like me to pull up the dozens of poe 1 "advertisements" and featurettes, builds of the week, etc, where they show a character moving and performing slowly so that viewers can actually see what's going on? did you also forget the actual poe 2 0.1 endgameplay where everyone was temporalis blinking around or stat stack attacking at the speed of light? why did they add rhoa mount to the game? why did they add spring to 0.3? why did they remove the cooldown of shield charge? why is temporalis still in the game? why is blink? why are there methods in the game of explicitly making these abilities spammable?

every argument you've made is delusionally disingenuous or a straight up lie.

>>718955991 (OP)
Passive tree is somehow still incredibly boring. They've already solved this in 1

>>718979489
Nightreign is a coop-centric game who has been getting a new enemy variant every week for the past month. PoE, like all games in this genre, is much more cyclical. People come back in mass when a new update releases then stay for a few weeks at best before leaving again.

>>718995774
>irony being that 10% movespeed is what you claim you want poe 2 to be
slow combat, not movement, don't pin your shit on me, I linked 3 webms, 2 have poe1 combat, 1 have poe2 combat. I want poe2 combat in poe2 game, not poe1 shit with press 1 button to screen-clear

>>718995780
I don't think poe 2's tree is particularly boring, but it is quite ugly. too many "wavy" patterns that take up too much space and don't look aesthetically pleasing to path through.

>>718995876
if you ever thought you were going to get plodding dark souls combat in the endgame of a diablo-like then you're a bigger retard than first suspected.

>>718995986
You can easily make it so, it's all about numbers

>>718996162
nobody but you and other low IQ dadgamers want to make it so. go play something else.

>>718996198
>dadgamers
can you stop? dadgamers play d2, poe1 and now demand poe2 to be poe1
you are dadgamer

>>718955991 (OP)
>playing Tencent games
might aswell cut off your balls retard

>>718980761
KEK
POOP2 RETARDS GETTING ASSFUKT AGAIN
it never gets old.

I wish MHfags were as loyal as PoEfags. Those pussys jump the boat the second something minor changes, while poefags actually fight for the game they like and stay playing.

>>718996257
>n-n-n-n-no u
nobody who actually gets to the endgame of an arpg and wants to continue playing it wants slow methodical combo-based gameplay. you're just some casual retard who plays the game an hour a day and thinks it's unfair that everyone else is faster, better, and more efficient than you are. newsflash: even if they slowed the game down, everyone else is still going to be faster and better than you are and you're still going cry and quit shortly after "maybe" beating the campaign. you're the arpg equivalent of some 75 IQ woke faggot who complains about sexualization of women or whatever other non-issues in media that you just discovered a year ago and only barely participate in on a surface level.

>>718996571
he posted this in a borderline single player game lol

PoE1 and PoE2 a game made for anime enjoyers

>>718996571
>tranny dadgamer infest game that wasn't meant to be for him and demand it to be for him
>because he is tranny dadgamer he doesn't see anything wrong with it
that's it, our entire dialogue
trannies always infest games that never meant to be for them and demand changes
WHY CAN'T YOU FUCK OFF TO POE1, D4, LE, TORCHLIGHT, UNDECEMBER, ETC.?
Why every single ARPG need to be about trannies and their screen clears?

>>718996747
>thinks devs made a game for xir when their previous game was the antithesis of what xir claims to like, and the new game was advertised as its direct sequel
actual retard. path of exile and its sequel are MY games. YOU are the troon who needs to fuck off. preferably to kill yourself, but if you simply move on to a game that you actually enjoy instead of trying to change MY game, I won't notice you're gone either way. You'll get what you want out of poe 2 just as soon as you become a woman, btw, which is to say never.

>>718996747
>tranny tryhard infest game that wasn't meant to be for him and demand it to be for him
> because he is tranny tryhard he doesn't see anything wrong with it
I hope every single studio trying to copy and please fromtards gets Concorded out of existence. You are the cancer of the industry.

>>718996747
post your poe 2 account. let's see those characters. show us your arbiter or xesht 4 kills. you know what those are, right? my money is that you're a shitposting faggot and don't even play poe 2 in the first place.

i never bothered finished poe2 act 3 and i never will, dogshit game.

>>718997426
imagine ever paying for a downgrade of the better game

>>718996747
THE POE1 TRANNIES MUST ZOOM

>>718990146
>>718990708
Comboing skills doesn't fucking work in a game where you get swarmed by mobs that are instantly fucking zip to you and have triple your movespeed. NiGGGers still don't fucking get the memo and keep forcing their retardation. Combat design as a whole should be entirely reevaluated if they want their gay ass combos to stick.

>>718991678
>ton of new builds are enabled
>chaos builds still dead
>succubus still unplayable after they murdered it in 0.2
>no new shapeshift support because they will all come with druid
>even more bloated tree with even more incremental stat nodes
Fuck off.

i stopped in mid act 2 because it was so fucking bad performance wise. Will i like this game now?

>>718990146
>10k watching

So you're talking about Quin?