Thread 718960229

This game is a massive downgrade in terms of story when compared to Human Revolution. The game spends like half the time on this Aug oppression arc instead of focusing on a larger conspiracy which I can understand especially with what happened after HR, but this should've been more of a side thing, something used for world building rather than it being the forcus for the majority of the story. Also I miss HR's piss filter.

>>718960229 (OP)
and cue the MDDF (mankind divided defense force) who will drone on about how
>um ackshually the focus on aug lives matter is a smokescreen set up by da illuminaughty an u fell 4 it!!!!!!
ok even if that's the case, it's pointless background decoration that has no relation to the plot. well, it's sort of tangentially related but it should've been more of a point to get jensen to recognize said smokescreen right away and start working toward the real behind the scenes issues. anyway none of it matters now because we'll most likely never see a continuation of jensen's storyl.

>>718960229 (OP)
Brainlet take.
You fell for the fake narrative from the media in the game.

>>718960229 (OP)
Who cares? The real problem with is that it made the hacking minigame 10x more obnoxious instead of removing it like they should have

>>718960792
The whole religion thing was by far the stupidest thing I've ever seen in a game. It was as if the devs were too scared to attach a real political motive to the augs. I'm aware that Viktor was only using Arch for he's means and I haven't finished the game yet so I can't really comment anymore it, but so far the story very weak

>>718960976
>Removing an one of the most essential component of the entire game series
That's retarded.

>>718960229 (OP)
>but it should've been more of a point to get jensen to recognize said smokescreen right away and start working toward the real behind the scenes issues
They didn't make a point of it because he's literally already doing that before the game even starts. That's the whole reason he's working with interpol, right? Because he suspects his boss of being an illuminati plant? Did you miss that?

>>718960229 (OP)
Yeah, it felt like Act 1 of a two-part story. If I remember correctly, Eidos had a sequel planned to pick up where MD left off, but Square Enix immediately canceled it because they're retarded.

>>718961237
Hacking was not even a minigame in the original Deus Ex, you just waited a few seconds before you had access and then you had a timer to do what you needed before security was alerted
The shitty minigame was added by HR and should have been removed in the next game instead of made worse

>>718961271
no, he's working with interpol to figure track down the terrorists who are threatening to bomb various places in prague and the world over, and by the end of the game you learn that shevchenko or whatever was controlled opposition funded by the illuminati as though it's some huge twist and that's about it game over case closed we'll see you in the next installation. please give me a break, the game goes to such great effort to establish this politically tense intrigue and then goes absolutely nowhere with it. meanwhile, jensen is running around prague doing wetwork for nobodies to stick it to the man and that's basically it.

I spent hours stealthing through the bank backwards before finding out there was a quest attached to it. I just wanted to see if I could get in. I fucking loved it.

>>718961513
Yeah, you missed the entire plot
Literally the first thing you do upon setting foot in Prague is get in touch with that weird Latina hacker who gets you to spy on one of your boss's conference calls and you find him talking to Manderley (though of course Jensen doesn't know who Manderley is)

>>718961792
no, no I didn't. the plot is basically
>waste time finding out what anyone could have guessed, that shevchenko is using ARK as a scapegoat for their terrorism
>then vow to do something about it in the next chapter (which never comes)
that shit is almost entirely divorced from the aug lives matter propaganda, and it's kind of insulting that the illuminati is so stupid that they didn't consider that people would question that line of rhetoric. it's insulting also to the average person in this world who is apparently too fucking stupid to consider that this rhetoric might be being pushed by vested interests. instead it's black and white "oh if you're not absolutely in favor of giving the general public free reign to use augmentations as they see fit then you're just a bigot" from every major character in the game. not one person stops to think
>hey maybe da gubmint propaganda is dumb

>>718962341
Please go and replay the game it's clear that you have forgotten so much of it that you're just spouting nonsense

>>718960229 (OP)
>>718961297
Square infamously pulled resources from MD to work on their failed Avengers title since they wanted to chase that live service/Marvel money. There was supposedly another hub world you were supposed to visit in MD, as well as whole other Act that all got cut, and what remained had to be rushed and cobbled together. It's a goddamn shame what happened to MD, especially after HR was so successful. Adam deserved better.

>>718960229 (OP)
is that the sequel or the original? I can never tell because the devs decided to deceive us by using the same fucking cover

>>718962771
tell me why I'm incorrect or fuck off because it's too easy for you to just say
>sry hunny u dident blay it :DD
fuck you.

>>718960229 (OP)
I really can't agree. I love both games. They're both masterpieces. The main complaint I have with the second game is that we didn't get any fanservice objectifying how objectively erotic Adam is.

>>718960229 (OP)
>Game is a third of the planned game sold as a standalone release

>The narrative suffers because of it

holy sherlock batman, you're a fucking genius, your powers of insight are truly something to behold

>>718963082
The main villain's name is Marchenko
At no point does the propaganda ever intersect with anything Jensen is doing
Rucker was legitimately trying to contain the resentment and keep ARK as a peaceful organization and got killed for it at the tail end of the game
Marchenko clearly had some behind the scenes backer, that's the part you never see. You kill Marchenko at the end of MD.
Since Jensen's boss is answers to the Illuminati, this implies the Illuminati are controlling both sides of the conversation here

>>718960229 (OP)
You probably feel the story was a let down as a direct continuation from HR but the overarching story was always goofy. Consider that political intrigue plots are usually interesting for their rising tension while establishing story points and not necessary the exact political situations characters find themselves in. I don't think MD had terrible writing but I also don't think MD needed to be a direct sequel to HR.

>>718963632
I haven't finished the game so your post is retarded. I didn't know the devs didn't finish story game and I'm just basing my opinion with what I've played so far.

>>718962862

Adam wasn't a very interesting or relatable protagonist.

Seeing and hearing Bob Page in HR was pure unadulterated kino.

>>718964613
>Adam wasn't a very interesting or relatable protagonist.
Much more than JC.

>>718961096
good morning sar

MD is great, It completely filters out people who followed the main questline and never questioned what they were being told even when the characters tell you to do so. In fact this is such a brainlet filter they made an entire dlc to drive the point home and people were STILL shocked by the "surprise" ending to said dlc.

>>718963887
>marchenko
ok fair point I didn't remember his name
>the propaganda doesn't ever intersect with jensen's activity
but that's wrong, the whole reason the world is talking about "aug lives matter" is because of the UN trying to introduce some new law that would effectively neuter access to and ownership of augmentations without strict regulation, and furthermore illuminati propaganda is heavily pushing for the augmented to exist in state-of-the-art automated cities, which are being funded by billionaires and sold as paradise on earth, because the illuminati wants to have them under constant surveillance and control, which is showcased when jensen arrives in that shantytown to search for the leader of ARC, and this is all happening because of what is now known as "the aug incident" aka panchaea when hugh darrow emitted a frequency that effectively turned every augmented person into a mindless zombie.
>rucker
still his organization was being used as a scapegoat for marchenko's activities, which there was nothing he could do to curtail. it's why he wanted to commit suicide, he was stuck between being publicly dragged through the mud and actual capitulation to terrorists who would ruin the lives of millions of augmented around the world, and he couldn't bear the thought of having that on his conscience.
>marchenko
it was the illuminati, they say as much in the conversation at the end of the game.

>>718964613
Wow. This is honestly the first time I've ever seen anyone try to argue that Adam wasn't an interesting protagonist. It's a definite hot take... a shit take... but also a hot one

>>718962862
Even if this hadn't occurred, I think MD still bit off more than it could chew. We never found out
>who the gold mask terrorists at the beginning in Dubai were
>who bombed the train
>how the fuck those experimental augs got in Jensen
>who killed Rucker and for what purpose
>who was behind Marchenko (potentially different than above)
and IIRC there was even more set up regarding the original Eliza and what Bob Page and Meghan Reed were up to at Versalife

Even if the game got all the time and money Square Enix could give I still don't think they could've answered all of those questions

Janus is an illuminati plant to keep the juggernaut collective under control and not looking into things the illuminati don't want them to right?

>>718965294

He was an ex-SWAT commander that was adopted by science people and was engineered to not need the anti-rejection drug.

I don't care for him and feel that they should have killed him off at the end of HR like they planned.

>>718965274
>but that's wrong
it's not, because it's not Jensen's job to have any position on the aug debate. Hell, in the whole game, I think there's only one dialogue choice where you can even express an opinion on it, and it's when speaking to the illuminati psychologist. This is the whole point I've been making all along, Jensen is working with the Juggernaut Collective and is only using his position in Interpol to find out what the fuck the Illuminati are doing. He investigates the cases Interpol gives him to maintain his cover. That's the story of MD in a nutshell.

>>718965954
They did.

>>718965228
I'm definitely questioning things like how Viktor knew that I was in GARM which only Miller and the pilot dude were aware of me being there. The story obviously isn't straightforward, but it's no where near intriguing as HR. Even the emails and newspapers aren't as interesting.

>>718965297
>who bombed the train
Wasn't it ARC who did it? If I remember correctly Alison was the one who made the bombs and gave them to Viktor.

>>718966485
I disagree, because at the end of the day, the ending showed that HR really was just all about the Aug debate. All that you went through, everything it amounted to was just how you felt about Augmentations
MD seemed to be going in a different direction, but I guess we'll never know

>>718966019
it's impossible for him to be impartial, but it doesn't matter what his opinion is, because the game makes it clear who the villains are and what you should think based on what is happening. it's clear cut and dry. the illuminati want to keep all augmented people under strict surveillance and to get people at large to accept new aspects of law and culture that would normalize the strict regulation of said augmentations. jensen might not outright say it but he's augmented so it's not out of the question to think that he'd be against such ironclad authoritarianism.

that's not why it's dumb. it's dumb - and by "it" I am referring to this new cultural shift against the augmented in general everyday life, as a knee jerk reaction to panchaea, alongside the illuminati propaganda - because the average person isn't that stupid. no way are people going to just accept that "all aug bad" to the point that we have "mechanical apartheid" just because of one incident where shit went wrong. there would be at the very least be anti- and pro-aug political factions who give legitimate reasons for why augmentations should or shouldn't be regulated in such a fashion, but we never really see that, it's all framed as
>aug lives matter
>you have no reason to oppose them bigot
>please stop and listen when a hanzer is talking
and all opposition as
>illuminati propaganda to put augs into concentration camps

it's just not very nuanced if you ask me, and this whole thing takes center stage, and then it goes nowhere. what a pity, really.

>>718967142
> and this whole thing takes center stage
this is what I've been disagreeing with. You're talking about setting details as if they're part of the actual story, when they're just setting details. Granted some of these details do influence the story at times, but they're far from the entirety of the story.

Anyway, I can say that if I knew that anyone with robot parts could just have their killswitch flipped and become a murderbot out of the blue, I wouldn't want to be anywhere near them either regardless of what position the government took on the issue

>>718966807
I don't agree with you. In HR you're trying to figuring out corp conspiracies and why people attacked Sarif Industries and stole a bunch of scientist including Jensen's gf who recently made a scientifical breakthrough. As the story progressed more and more was being revealed. I find that much more interesting as we were actually getting answers to questions while also being fed something bigger which made me want to progress th story more whereas with MD it feels like the devs keep side tracking us, I never feel satisfied with what's going on. It's still an interesting game and I'm not looking forward to finishing it as I'm enjoying it, but it just isn't hitting me as well as HR did.

>>718960229 (OP)
I'm only in the first act still, but Prague is so mundane and boring compared to Detroit. Unironically this piss filter added atmosphere and comfiness.

>>718960229 (OP)
Who gives a fuck about the story?
The better question is why the fuck did they set it in some boring East- sorry, Central Europe?? Couldn't they add some China levels? What the fuck is a Prague?

>>718968008
>What the fuck is a Prague?
It is in oklahoma.

>>718967620
>setting details
anon, I shouldn't have to say that the events of the last game have had an effect on the world. to put it quite simply, the world's reactions to those events are dumb. as for the story itself, the problem is that it's unfinished, although I suppose it may have gone somewhere interesting, though I am not convinced that it wouldn't have ended atop some corporate skyscraper as you chase down some CEO in a suit and his aug entourage because you want to prevent him from speaking at some summit somewhere and spreading more propaganda while you simultaneously pinpoint the coordinates for some insurgent group's attack on a government building that is designed to prove to the world just how much more untrustworthy and dangerous augmented people are.

>>718960229 (OP)
Same. I loved human resources but could never bother to beat this one.

>>718967142
>because the average person isn't that stupid. no way are people going to just accept
AAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAH

>>718968167
even if the vast majority of people are retards, there are some number of people who can think critically enough to assess both sides of the conversation, yet that doesn't happen, is the point.

>>718967142
>no way are people going to just accept that "all aug bad" to the point that we have "mechanical apartheid" just because of one incident where shit went wrong
50 million people died because of that event. It makes complete sense as to why people are oppressing augmented people, because they're afraid of them. It doesn't really much sense to be pro aug with the shit that went down.

>>718966038

Oh sorry, they were told by the suits to bring him back for the 2nd one.

Then he was clone or something.

>>718968921
yes but the "why" is more important than the "what" and well, in this universe people are too fucking stupid to consider "why" or how something happened, even though darrow himself took responsibility for what he'd done, oh but apparently that never made it to the public media, even though eliza cassan is questioning her identity and motives by the time jensen gets back from cryogenic sleep or whatever the fuck happened to him, and it never once crosses her mind to leak that information to privy individuals who could then at the very least be disregarded by political pundits for being crazy like lazarus. how convenient that every shred of evidence as to what actually happened was lost to time.

even in a world where you have no answers, you still have to come up with something to think for yourself. are you really going to just blindly believe what any one source of information feeds you? I'd rather have no opinion than be so blinded by propaganda that I would end up being a useful idiot for someone else. basically, if people really are this stupid then it's over dawg. society is done. bring on the nukes.

>>718969754
My man, 50 million people died as a result of augmented people going insane. You can tell the public every, but it wouldn't make a difference, there's going to be strong mistrust. Imagine seeing thse borderline supersoldiers going insane and killing everyone indiscriminately. No amount of an excuse is going to change your perspection of them after that. You'll be afraid of them, you won't trust them and you'd be one percent in favor of them being rounded up and put into special locations.

>>718970364
And I forgot to include that the augmentation incident happened only a year or 2 prior so it's still fresh in everyone's head.

>>718960229 (OP)
>This game is a massive downgrade in terms of story when compared to Human Revolution.
Yeah, but the gameplay and atmosphere are so fucking good.

>>718960229 (OP)
>Deus Ex starts with you being able to get a fucking rocket launcher, and starts throwing anti-jewish conspiracy theories at you in the first level alone
>The future games don't dare tread on the toes of elite world bankers
HMMMMMMMMMMM

>>718970364
>>718970536
I don't believe it. we live in a world where, at least in america, there are 3 guns for every single american citizen, and gun related violence happens on the regular, and yet there is still a strong "debate" on the issue. in fact, I'd be prepared to believe that augmentation manufacturers like sarif and TYM would be interested in lobbying for relaxing of restrictions much like arms manufacturers do today, and on top of that you'd have an entire culture of people not only embracing the technology but touting it as a fundamental human right. point is, it wouldn't be so cut and dry, even in the wake of such a catastrophic event. also I think that the context would matter and it would shape the conversation if people found out how the incident was orchestrated, because then we'd have to have conversations about how society is structured and who is allowed to have what positions of power and authority and so on.

if the wiki is anything to go by, there are only around 7 million augs after the incident anyway, so it seems their numbers are dwindling, and since megan reed's findings weren't the foundation for a new scientific breakthrough, sarif industries went into bankruptcy, and on top of it bob page has reed working somewhere at versalife, it seems like the illuminati is getting what it wants, and yet none of this says anything about supposedly dangerous augmentations are, just that the world seems to be very easily manipulated into buying bullshit despite good-hearted people like jensen working round the clock to try and rectify their wrongdoings.

>>718964613
>Adam wasn't a very interesting or relatable protagonist.
Bait.

>>718960229 (OP)
>massive downgrade in terms of story when compared to Human Revolution
HR wasn't all that great either tbqh

>>718960229 (OP)
downgrade yes, massive no
gameplay and the palisade level make up for that too

>>718965297
>>who the gold mask terrorists at the beginning in Dubai were
illuminati
>>who bombed the train
illuminati
>>how the fuck those experimental augs got in Jensen
illuminati
>>who killed Rucker and for what purpose
illuminati
>>who was behind Marchenko (potentially different than above)
illuminati

I love the series but fuck conspiracy theories in stories, they're just convenient villains ex machina and a handwave to more actual plots
and yes I know it's massively ironic

>>718972138
I never quite got the love for HR
It felt like a bit of a slog desu, I don't remember much of my playthrough
I felt MD was much better, I felt perfectly happy janking my way into apartments in Prague and dicking about like I did in the original Deus Ex, never had that with HR

>>718972387
The illuminati (Jews) are doing what they can to make a free, uncontrolled, mass augmentation illegal. They want it restricted and distributed in ways that keep them on the top. The whole divided and conquer thing they're doing in Mankind divided is to get the people afraid of those who are augmented so government can regulate augmentations to prevent everyday people getting them. They want augs to be exclusive them which is where the the whole aug incident comes into play or at least that's what I think.

>>718974175
Except the illuminati also control the augmented through neuropozyne and shit like the TYM chip
In the end they probably wanted to buy time until they could study Jensen's body and then move to force augs on everyone once they reduced the need for neurpozyne supply to manageable levels

>>718971218
Nigger, the Aug crisis was like thousands of 9/11s happening at once, you are not seriously comparing this to gun violence in America

>>718960229 (OP)
HR story is pretty good and MD is still solid. Both games fail story wise when compared to the OG so its a moot point. What both games excel at is gameplay and atmosphere which were heavily improved in MD.

>>718971218
what >>718974695 said. The Aug incident was insane. You're really overestimating people's abilities to accept something horrifying like that and moving on from it. Happened less than two years prior to Mankind Divided and I can't emphasize this enough, 50 million people died. 50 million. Coworkers, families, loved ones anyone who was augmented went insane and started killing. You're absolutely delusional if you think that leaking the truth to what happened would change public perception.
>there are 3 guns for every single american citizen, and gun related violence happens on the regular, and yet there is still a strong "debate" on the issue
That isn't anywhere near comparable, what are you even on about?

>>718960229 (OP)
Mankind Divided is huge downgrade in every single aspect in comparison to Human Revolution, except graphics.

You will always have contrarian retards on /v/ claiming that MD is the best thing since sliced bread, although Deus Ex is now literally dead for a reason. That reason is that MD is fucking shit. End of the discussion.

>>718974695
>>718975429
>retards miss the point again