Thread 719036615

>not blurring this grifters twitter name
not reading.

>>719036615 (OP)
>key card needs to be inserted for a digital only game
Olímpio mio...

reggie was really the only last person with soul in the company huh?

>>719036615 (OP)
I think it's better than download only, if this allows you to resell your game.

They can't exactly say that third-party devs were being whiny cunts, now, could they?

>>719036615 (OP)
So you need an internet connection to set up the switch 2 and to run every single game you buy?

>>719036924
SYBAU
Reggie was just a figure head for America he did nothing

>On my business card, I am a corporate president.
>In my mind, I am a corporate president.
>In my heart, I am a corporate president.

>>719037132
Why do you think they'd let you register the game to a new console? These aren't cd keys.

>>719036615 (OP)
>the system that nintendo developed has nothing to do with them

Third parties weren't going to pay $16 for a cart and nintendo didn't want to go all digital.

>>719036615 (OP)
OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH FUCK YOU HAVE TO HAVE THE DISK INSERTED TO PLAY THE GAME THIS HAS NEVER HAPPENED BEFORE IN HISTORY SOMEONE FUCKING HELPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP

>>719037838
Are you able to lend the game to someone else or are these tied to your account? It seems these are just to avoid large game cartridge sizes. I would expect small games to fit on the cartridge. Larger games would need updates anyway.

>>719037312
no, you dumbass.

>>719038091
you can lend and sell them.

>>719037978
>insert disk for a game that you downloaded

>>719036615 (OP)
i mean, they really kinda didn't
it was a measure to stop third parties from doing code-in-box shit after they DEMANDED an option as cheap or cheaper than a goykey BD like how it works on the snoystation

>>719037557
What about Doug Bowser? Same thing?

It's something they came up with to appease third party publishers crying about switch cartridges being too expensive.
You can tell Nintendo thinks they're shit which is why they don't put their own games on them

>>719038091
You can lend/resell it. Anyone saying that it's linked to one account or claim it requires internet license check once a week are making shit up

>>719036615 (OP)
It's a stop gap for temporarily inflated prices. They're just digital as it always was but with some added benefits.

>>719036615 (OP)
It's their console. They have complete control over everything.

>>719038224
You have to be older than 18 to post here

>>719038224
You can simply just buy the full digital version if that's an issue for you

No internet? We have a product called the Switch 1.

>>719038224
That's how gaming has worked since the late Xone era where vidya sizes started to balloon out of control and they didn't fit on a single bluray anymore.

>>719038295
his name is literally bowser, its not just coincidence

>>719036615 (OP)
>Japan's national library says it won't be preserving Switch 2 Game-Key Cards.

>The National Diet Library requires every publisher to send it copies of each new publication by law, but says Game-Key Cards aren't eligible for preservation.
Japan's national library raped Nintendo.

>>719036615 (OP)
Man you have to swap the fucking key card in and out despite having it downloaded to the console? That's fucking terrible.

>>719037838
this isnt some potential new cartridge they are making, these have been out for months. They work the same as normal game cartridges, you just need to download the game first.

>>719038470
KWAB

I legit don't get the contraversy around these, considering so many third party games were just codes in a box this is infinitely better. you can lend/resell them easily without doing any weird account linking BS.

>>719038536
>Nintendo
All first party games are in-cart tho.
It's just raping goyim westoid bootlicker third parties instead given even AAs like inti are publishing in-cart.

>>719038536
>place that archives physical media doesn't archive digital media
You don't say

>>719038692
It's bad when nintendo does it.
Now shut the fuck up, asking questions is antisemitic goy.

>>719037345
Reggie did a ton for Nintendo you retarded ass ape.
He probably stepped down when he noticed the direction the company was going post Iwata, its all litigation and ultra profit driven now.

>>719038897
go ahead and name the things he did.

>>719038897
The main reason youtubers/streamers and their retarded fans all hate Nintendo is because during the Reggie era they would do copyright claims to take the ad revenue on every youtube video or stream of their games

>>719038997
Go pirate his book and find out for yourself. Maybe you'll learn something.

>>719039115
>Please read the propaganda "we wuz nintendoz trust me goy" book.
Lol.
Lmao even.

>>719038997
Off the top of my head, blocking the Hotel Dusk and Another Code sequels from American releases, which eventually led to Cing's bankruptcy.

>>719039196
He wrote the book himself you negative IQ mongoloid.

>>719039083
that's rude
you're also forgetting the constant takedowns on fan projects, even those that were not monetized through patreon or donations
ironically enough in this era nintendo still goes after monetized fan projects but tends to leave the non-monetized ones alone (which is also why the M64 decomp projects haven't gotten slapped with a DMCA nuke AND why they could only make progress after the reggie era ended)

>>719038997
really pushed for nintendo to bundle wii sports

>>719039115
so you have nothing.

>>719036615 (OP)
This is so weird. Like, what's the fucking point? You downloaded it, which you had to log in for anyway. Why the additional hardware? It doesn't make any sense.

>>719039331
Yea I guess, my bad asking a 3rd worlder living in a literal trash pile to read.

why is everyone pretending game key cards are such a big issue when xbox and playstation have been doing this for over a decade

>>719037345
reggie is the reason wii came with wii sports
like actually

>greedy third party retards get fucked over because no one wants to buy game key cards
>the good devs and ones who have confidence in their games put their game on a real kart and see success
so how is this a bad thing for nintendo? the key card label is basically just a "hey don't buy this slop" label

>>719039402
>>719038839

>>719039391
i'm not the one pulling bullshit out of my ass.

>>719036615 (OP)
I miss cartridges. Also, I'm not buying a game that requires an internet connection, that's stupid. Nintendo just wants to monitor people.

>>719038536
>Nintendo's firts party games are still on the cart itself
>Absolutely nothing affects them and only third parties that chose game key cards get fucked
...Yeah?

>>719039351
It saves the publishers money on game cartridge sizes. They would have to pass these costs on to consumers or make less profit.

I'm gonna enjoy watching snoys mald about game keycards for the next 7 years

>>719038376
The real "gang" would be Hiroshi Yamauchi, Gunpei Yokoi, and Shigeru Miyamoto.
Those three were the REAL driving forces behind Nintendo's all-time greats.

>>719039756
Snoys aren't buying this shit, tendies are.

>>719039351
Nintendo didn't want to go full digital

>>719039420
Its just there to get people used to more control.

>>719039964
goycards aren't selling in general, that's the thing

>>719036615 (OP)
>non answer
KWAB

>>719038752
Even fucking playtonic has yooka-replaylee physical. Third party niggers have no excuse.

>>719036615 (OP)
>Trying frantically to make an issue NOBODY gives a fuck about into an issue.

Eric is working overtime.

>>719039964
every gaming platform has digital games my newfag friend

>>719039681
see >>719039732

>>719039964
yeah, because they don't have games to buy.

>>719038376
if anything, Shigeru is clasping his hands grinning smugly, this was his ultimate plan, he won

>>719037312
Yes as is the case with the first switch

>>719039351
It's weirded that people still have issues understanding how they work and why are there in first place. Some retards are pushing the idea of locking the key cards onto an account when that's false, and you can lend or resell them in the future. The real issue is that one of the advantages of physical media is not having to juggle with the internal storage, specially when games are getting huge as fuck and key cards goes against that, also since it's internet dependent, in whatever case the online ecosystem dies, those games will be useless trash. Compared to normal games, key cards are cheaper to produce (unless something changes with the production, normal cards have a minimum size of 64GB) and as it's been shown lately, most third-parties prefer to cheap out and release key cards (or even worse, there are 2 games with only a download code). S2 storage is a premium so it didn't go well with users and sales of key card games haven't been really good.

>car key card
>have to connect to the internet to start your car

>>719039732
Fag

You’re paying for physical DRM
Fucking clown world we’re living in

>>719040615
>food key card
>insert into your fridge to download fresh groceries directly
Walmart, hire me.

>>719040615
>have to connect to the internet to start your car
yup electric car pretty much do that you also can't drive an electric car unless you install an update it as well

>>719040646
It doesn't take much thought to realise this anon.

>>719038692
they're just a new way to get mad about code in a box, since they're literally just code in a box again but juuuust different enough for everyone to complain about it all, all over again

and to be fair, code in a box fucking sucks, so I'm glad everyone is talking about how shit it is

>>719040754
No I'm not

>>719040195
and when all games eventually become key cards?

>>719040754
I have never bought a goycard and never plan to, so no, I am indeed not buying a PiS5/steam game in a cart.

>>719040000
>didnt want to go full digital
>has a console you can only use by connecting online, & a gamecard that can only redeem the game from their digital store meaning once they kill access all those games are dead meaning people will have to buy them again digitally or keycarda again for the next nintendo console
Holy retard

>>719039416
>raised the price of the console in the US and forced shovelware on everybody
Yay?

What if they add a firmware update that lets you download the game INTO the keycard? Wouldn’t that fix everything?

>>719040987
>makes shit up
Why are anti-nintendo fags so dishonest?

>>719041028
the keycard itself is a glorified piece of plastic, there's nothing to store the data on. That's the whole reason third parties jumped on them so hard, the costs are much lower.

The average size of a Nintendo Switch game is around 1-2 GB, but some games can be much larger, especially third party games ported from PC and other consoles, that is un-optimized for the hardware. Let's say some are from 20 to 60 GB. The cost of game cartridges by memory size scales up non-linearly unlike CDs, DVDs, and BlueRays. So, third party game publishers want to use the more common and cheaper to manufacture game cartridges, and have the user download the rest. The more common game cartridges are 1,2,4, and 8 GB. What is the production cost difference between a 4 GB game cartridge and a 64 GB game cartridge?

>>719040878
You'll have to ask steam and gog users. I don't know what that's like.

>>719041160
>makes shit up
You stupid ass retard. You can only use the keycards on consoles connected to nintendo accounts while being online. Thats worse than getting a cardboard disc with a code

>>719038595
*these have been out for years

>>719041178
>piece of plastic
there has to be at least some rudimentary circuit board in that shit to be recognized by the console

Physical is dead in general. Did you know that's it's faster to play PS2 games over the network on real hardware than to use real DVD-Rs?

>>719041310
Are they transferable or are they account locked?

>>719040878

Steam users love to get raped in the ass by this guy. Ask them.

>>719041028
This would actually be a neat idea, kind of like the kiosks they had for the Disk System back in the day. But it's not really possible since the key cards don't have any storage space on them. That's why they're cheaper than a regular cart aka the reason third parties are using them to begin with.

Really what they should have done is give the option to use Switch 1 carts ("Nintendo Switch 2 Edition" cartridges are basically this) and allow the user to install the game onto internal storage if they're so concerned about load times. Like every other console.

>>719041410
well yeah that's where the glorified bit comes in. you stick it in the console and it gives you permission to download/play the game. But that's it.

>>719038997
blocked a bunch of games from coming to america

>>719041310
You need an account to use the online shop, that is to completely download the game.

>>719041310
You can play them without connecting after downloading, you're making it sound like as if you need to stay connected 24/7 to play them, which is wrong.
>>719041462
Transferable, the key cards only download data.

>>719036924
>soul
>couldn't control his staff leading to the worst bouts of censorship the company has known
>blocked Japanese games because they were Japanese
>constantly pushed mtx games
Reggie never had a soul.

>>719041310
>You can only use the keycards on consoles connected to nintendo accounts while being online
Still making shit up

>>719037312
No.

>>719038224
Games have worked like that since late gen 7 when they started to install games rather than having them play from the disc.

>>719041310
>Thats worse than getting a cardboard disc with a code
That's what happened to PC games. Empty boxes with a code. I'm saying this is better.

>>719036615 (OP)
>first party games still on the cart
nothing of value, etc.

>>719036615 (OP)
>Nintendo of America
>Famitsu Interview
You're a dumbass. Also it's not Nintendo's fault if third party companies want to be cheap and put their games on key cards.

>>719041410
Yes, but no meaningful storage. Storage is the expensive part of cartridge production, and the Game Key Cards reduce cost by not including any storage beyond enough to hold a ticket to download the game.

>>719038224
My PS4 does this.

>>719042172
Third parties should charge $90 for switch 2 versions.

>>719039930
Yeah and then Yamauchi killed Yokoi after ONE flop and let the N64DD project spiral out of control and ruin the entire console.

>>719043090
Nice meme you got there
N O T

>>719043090

FAKE NEWS

>>719039351
There's a reason why only Nintendo is guaranteeing their own games to be on cart. They made these to entice third-parties to actually port shit to the Switch 2.

>>719037936
Which is retarded nonsense because people are not buying the keys, so they've just wanted manufacturing costs being cheap fucks, when they could have spent a little more and made real copies customers are willing to buy. NISA was(maybe still is) sitting at 100% stock of their recent Disgaea for Switch 2, because they were cheap fags who had the dumb ass idea that the weebs buying expensive collectors editions, would want a game key.

>>719043049
This but unironically.

>>719036924
>>719038376
What's with the retarded deification of reggie? if he had his way Monolith Soft would be dead and so would a lot of Nintendo's uniquely Japanese games and even the Japanese aspects in Nintendo games, he was always trying to end that aspect, he managed to kill companies like Cing, he brought in all of the woke faggotry and censorshit into the US division, he was a pile of shit.

>>719037557
Except this faggot actually plays games, the only reason he joined Nintendo was because he enjoys playing games, he's nothing like Reggie or Doug Bowser, neither of which give a fuck and only play games because now it's a part of their job.

>>719043315
here's their options:
>use a game key cart and have price parity between systems
>use a real cartridge and the switch 2 version costs $20 more
>digital only lol
the first option might have idiots buy it along with people buying games as a gift for others. the 2nd just makes people buy their multiplats elsewhere, they're not paying the switch 2 tax. we're gonna end up with the 3rd option eventually but these key carts are just a way to ween people to getting used to downloading all their games until then.

>>719043764
>What's with the retarded deification of reggie?
To make a long story short people who hate Nintendo now are praising how Nintendo was under him and Iwata, despite being an era Nintendo fans across the board generally hate.

>>719043764
Why do you hate Reggie so much, Snoy?
Reggie did in fact play games before working for Nintendo, and he wasn't much of a Nintendo fan which is why he brought valuable perspective to the company. He has that famous story about how he and his son were Xbox groupies before he joined Nintendo.
Reggie also didn't want weird Japanese games released because he knew that Nintendo would have to eat a bunch of marketing and publishing cost for games that don't sell. He didn't want to push the approachable Wii/DS identity towards niche weebshit like the PS2 and 3 became, but there would be no point in translating some text heavy RPG and publishing it if you didn't do marketing.
He didn't kill Cing, that was NCL.

You just sound incredibly insecure honestly

>>719044004
Alternatively they could just, you know, sell it at 70 physically and see more profits on switch than they would on other systems.

>I have lived long enough to see Nintendo crippled by greed and hubris, rise from the ashes to unseen heights, plummet to the sea like Icarus, and be reborn again even more powerful like a Saiyan....
>only to watch them be crippled by their own greed and hubris, again
They get what they deserve honestly.

>>719044290
>sell at a loss
>make more money
not exactly how it works. there's way more idorts than switch only gamers.

>>719044464
>sell at a loss
Which they aren't doing when they use physical carts, they would have to sell them at about 40 or something for that to be the case.
Even then it would still be more lucrative for them to do so to get them to buy their various dlcs and mtx and whatnot.

So yes, that's exactly how it works.

>>719044276
>i played donkey kong at the arcade i'm a big gamer
Fuck off false flagging faggot kusony dumb bastard.
No reggie killed Cing after refusing to allow Another Code R to release in the US, their largest market, Reggie helped kill off a lot of Nintendo's Japanese centric stuff because he just hates them, he was a shit leader that made 1 good decision to bundle Wii sports with the Wii, and that was it, other than that he was a soulless manager, and a socjus ape.

>>719044464
It one dev using carts has said that they're selling at a loss yet.

>>719044659
it's $16 lost compared to sales on any other platform. they lose money for every idort that buys the switch 2 copy instead of picking it up elsewhere or digitally. in that case every switch 2 physical sale that would have been made elsewhere is them losing $16 for no reason.

>>719038536
Dishonorable and fitting. Maybe Japanese gamers can remind them of this factoid, their own government refuses to archive Switch 2 3rd party games for record keeping due to the fact in the future those key cards are worthless without both the internet and Nintendo's servers working in tandem. How are Nintendo not embarrassed to be rebuffed publicly?

>>719042965
Your PS4 isn't portable idiot.

>>719044276
>Reggie did in fact play games before working for Nintendo
He didn't, we have absolutely no evidence of him playing games at all.
>which is why he brought valuable perspective to the company.
Valuable perspective like how to minimise your audience rather than expand it.
>He has that famous story about how he and his son were Xbox groupies before he joined Nintendo.
Key word being "story".
>Reggie also didn't want weird Japanese games released because he knew that Nintendo would have to eat a bunch of marketing and publishing cost for games that don't sell.
And yet any time they were released they did sell. In fact it's part of the reason why the switch is such a massive success since those games pulled in several different audiences.
>He didn't want to push the approachable Wii/DS identity towards niche weebshit like the PS2 and 3 became
Good thing he was bad at his job or the DS would have flopped massively since half the reason it sold well was said weeb shit doing exactly what I described previously.

>You just sound incredibly insecure honestly
You're saying that as someone who was deeply offended that their childhood hero was actually trash. Self awareness clearly isn't your strong suit.

>>719040245
Ninepedophiles played last year and this year's GOTY on the Scamtendo tablet? Damn!

>>719036615 (OP)
>Even when offline

So the plan is to make all the digital copies online only?

>>719044829
>it's $16 lost compared to sales on any other platform
Moot point. A profit is a profit and that's their end goal and it's clear that they aren't getting that from the other platforms and again, even if they take on losses that's why they have dlc and mtx.

>>719040615
>Heated seats subscription
This is real btw

>>719044829
>they lose money for every idort that buys the switch 2 copy instead of picking it up elsewhere or digitally.
Are you retarded?
If they're making like 40 bucks on switch 2 for every sale and 50 on ps5 that's still a profit, not a loss of 10 bucks.
Now let's see if you can wrap your head around this one, if they sell 100k switch 2 versions and 10k PS5 versions which is making more money?

The little little details in the business practices of Nintendo now perplex me a lot, I would expect these things to slowly start selling less. Maybe not if their competition is just too ass but games industry is looking sad right now.

>>719043764
Reggie was a charismatic showman that was the face of Nintendo at press conferences and other official media for years. People are attracted to the personality more than what he did. Or they just ignore him presiding over Treehouse's worst years and focus on Wii Sports as a pack in.

>>719045314
You said absolutely nothing here.

>>719044659
Like MicroSD, they only manufacture game cartridges in certain sizes. Say your game is 40GBs, then you're between 32 and 64GBs. Game is larger than 64GBs? and you want it all on one cartridge? Then you need 128GB. The game medium requires compromises. The game keycard is another option for third party developers to keep prices comparable to other platforms.

>>719044715
>Trace Memory 2 would have sold millions in America and saved CING!!!!
KEK no way you actually believe this. On a console with shit tier hardware attach sold entirely to casuals, a Japanese point and click VN would have been a hit? Please, it would have sold no better than any of the other niche Wii titles.
Maybe if you mentioned Last Window instead, you'd have a better point but no.
Cing killed itself by pretty much only releasing weird niche titles, and it was Nintendo of Japan who made the decision to stop publishing their games after Trace Memory/Kyle Hyde.

I don't know why I'm making a proper response to schizobabble.

>>719044829
Not to mention Nintendo players don't buy DLC, it's insane 3rd party devs not locked to the Japanese market make games for them at all.

>>719045165
>>719045303
you need to remember that we're talking about them making $5 on a sale vs $20 on a sale because it's not like they get all $70 themselves. distribution costs money, retailers take a cut, and then every platform holder takes a 30% cut before that. this is why every third party publisher wants to go digital only because it removes the distribution costs and the retailer cut.

when you get to games that cost less than $70, the margins become even smaller and that extra $16 is an even bigger cut because it doesn't scale and is a flat cost.

>>719045349
>elevate game prices
>make physical media suck a lot harder
Little bad decisions like this will stack up if you keep making them. It would take fuckall to tweak little things like this and make what you offer more lucrative.

>>719045357
Anon, can you please read what was said to you instead of going on an irrelevant tangent? Even if they bought the largest size there's no opportunity for them to lose money on it with a $70 price tag and for the last time, they still have their dlc and mtx.

Why are you trying to justify the greed of third party developers anyway?

>>719045082
Autism.
>We have no evidence!!!
>besides what he said!!!
>but that's not evidence!!!!!

>weebshit always sold on Nintendo systems in 2010!!!!
Ok faggot, name one example that isn't Xenoblade, Last Story, or Pandora's Tower which only sold well because they had a massive online hype campaign behind them (and only Xenoblade actually sold well).
>the DS sold well because of the random weebshit on it and not because of Pokemon, Mario Kart, Zelda, Metroid.....
Kek okay dumbfuck now tell me how Nintendo totally spent the same amount of money translating a """hit""" like Magical Starsign as they did in Europe with Xenoblade.

>>719044383
>only to watch them be crippled by their own greed and hubris, again
Not sure what world you live in but Nintendo is doing fine. Can’t say the same for third party companies refusing to put their games on cart because they’re cheapfucks meanwhile the small studio that made yooka laylee are putting the full game on the S2 cart

>>719045482
>you need to remember that we're talking about them making $5 on a sale vs $20 on a sale
No we aren't you fucking moron unless it's some 3 buck shitty digital only indie, no game is only making 5 bucks, but hey let's go and use those numbers for that question I gave you
100k X 5 = 500k
10k X 20 = 200k
It would still generate a larger profit for them to use a physical cart even if they were only making 5 bucks on it.

>>719036615 (OP)
>redmond
they are right next to Microsofts main campus.
right I remember that building.
they have this big ugly office building in that city.

>>719040782
>code in a box only works 1 time
>key card works for everyone in possession of the cartridge
it's baffling how no one seems to understand what the key cards actually do

Cartridges Mean Switch Games Will Always Cost More

The reason, as highlighted by Eurogamer, is one of manufacturing cost. Optical media, even Blu-ray discs, are very cheap to mass produce. Cartridges are relatively-speaking much more expensive. They also aren't a set cost.

Regardless of whether you burn 5GB or 40GB to a Blu-ray disc the media costs the same. Switch cartridges on the other hand, escalate in price depending on whether you need 1GB, 2GB, 4GB, 8GB, 16GB or 32GB of storage. They also get more expensive per cartridge the smaller the batch ordered.

The pricing issue is compounded by the fact Nintendo insists that digital versions of a game offered through the eShop must be priced the same as physical versions.

https://www.pcmag.com/news/cartridges-mean-switch-games-will-always-cost-more

>>719036615 (OP)
>"Why did you do it?"
>"[they're] one of the new ways we deliver games"
There you go. That's a direct answer to the question.

>>719036615 (OP)
I can't wait for the 7 year shitstorm that will happen when Nintendo gets fully WEFed and DOGMA'd and decides to lock people out of their own cartridges that they bought.

>>719037838
It's absolutely insane to me that we're almost three months in and you still just lie about something that is already absolutely awful to make it sound worse than it already is. You don't have to lie. Everyone hates this, and everyone hates that Nintendo is allowing this. It's already bad enough, and you know what you're saying is wrong, so why do you bother? What's the point?

>>719045807
>no game is only making 5 bucks,
they are when they're needing to pay nintendo an extra $16 for the cartridge, that's the point.

also remember that companies that aren't nintendo do tend to actually put their games on sale for deeper discounts, they can't put their new games on sale for $30 if they go the pure physical route on switch 2 because then they actually do sell at a loss. you can see this with the price for witcher 3(physical) on the switch 1 being $30 and then $10 everywhere else(including digitally on the switch) because the 32gb switch cartridge they paid for was expensive at the time and they can't realistically sell it for the same as everywhere else or they'd lose money.

right now basically every company other than nintendo has deep discounts, companies are putting games 1/2 off less than 5 months after release. what you're asking for directly interferes with that business strategy and you run into the problem of the switch 2 copy being $50 while it's $30 everywhere else and then everyone buying it everywhere else instead so the games rot on shelves and never sell.

>>719045993
Sorry, I don't speak faggot, can you rephrase that, but in English? Thanks.

>>719039964
I thought Microsoft's games on PS5 were actually doing relatively well, was that wrong?

>>719045479
>nintendo gamers are the only ones actually fighting
>in a world where even steam goyim happily pushed lootboxes with le hats on everybody
why is people buying real games with no additional cut off content to resell at an extra cost supposed to be a bad thing?

>>719045920
most adults don't give a shit about being able to resell the game key card because we have jobs and don't need to scrape every last penny under the couch and also sell some of our currently owned possessions to buy a new game.

>>719046335
>they are when they're needing to pay nintendo an extra $16 for the cartridge, that's the point.
No, anon. That's not how it fucking works.
>also remember that companies that aren't nintendo do tend to actually put their games on sale for deeper discounts,
That's right yeah. That means that they're going to see even less on those other platforms.

>>719046482
they are doing "fine" for AAA games, too bad said slop is AAAA

>>719045685
>name one example that isn't Xenoblade,
NTA but fire emblem you retard Xeno only sold like 900k if that's your bar then you've lost the argument outright.
I mean you can have games like
All the Layton games
The pokemon spin offs
Spectrobes
All the DQ games including joker
Monster Hunter, that was weebshit before capcom took a westernised dump on it with world
Chrono Trigger
Yokai Watch
Rhythm Heaven
Bravely Default
You get the picture, all of these and more did better than Xeno.

>>719045126
nobody remembers last years GOTY and Tendies did in fact, play Bananza.

>>719037345
Today I learned "Shut Your Bitch Ass Up". Good to know.

Anyway even as a figure head Reggie was fantastic for Nintendo.

>>719036924
reggie tried to bury xenoblade. that alone is unforgivable

>>719046640
>No, anon. That's not how it fucking works.
anon it costs money to buy the physical media to put games on. this is why companies cheaped out so much on switch 1 cartridges and you had faggot publishers buying 4gb cartridges and making people download 20gb, the larger cartridges cost more money. companies rarely used any cartridge more than 16gb, witcher 3 being one of them and as mentioned, even that costs $20 more physically compared to everywhere else(including digitally on the same platform).

you have the 3 choices i initially outlined, there is no option where greedy corporations take margins that much lower on every sale. they will burn physical to the ground before that happens and consumers won't even care. silksong has major hype and that's a digital only game and it's not going to impact sales in the slightest.

>>719046335
>they are when they're needing to pay nintendo an extra $16 for the cartridge, that's the point.
You do realise that they made about $30 to 40 on switch 2 games, right? Logistics and such doesn't cost all that much in the grand scheme also that 16 is the cost of one cart, not the amount in bulk which goes down the more you buy.
Also
>also remember that companies that aren't nintendo do tend to actually put their games on sale for deeper discounts,
This would only affect the retailer when it comes to physical, they're the ones who set the price. The publisher got all of their money when the retailer bought the stock.

>>719046918
>Today I learned "Shut Your Bitch Ass Up". Good to know.
sounds like the nigger cheap copy of STFU honestly and i have no idea why would it even have to exist

>>719044464
The Switch versions of multiplats generally sell more. I think you underestimate how many people with a Switch dont have other platforms, and that tendies want all games on their hardware, or even re buy games when a switch version comes out. The response from these whales has been universally negative, so the keys are pointless.

>>719047143
That's a good point actually. SYBAU doesn't flow as cleanly, uses more letters, and sounds retarded when expanded.

>>719045993
The fuck is hotel mario?

>>719036615 (OP)
I’m too retarded to understand any of this sadly. I just know that physical media still reigns supreme and digital shit downloaded from consoles is… well bad because it will probably be removed eventually despite “owning” it…

>>719047058
>this is why companies cheaped out so much on switch 1 cartridges
No you fucking moron, the reason they cheaped out on switch 1 carts isnt because they were particularly expensive, even smaller developers could comfortably afford the larger carts while a massive company like ubisoft stuffed Rayman on to the absolute smallest one.
The reason is greed and stupidity, plain and simple. That's what you're defending right now.

>there is no option where greedy corporations take margins that much lower on every sale
Yes there is and I just explained that to you because the simple fact is that people are buying more units on switch than any other platform so even if you use your incorrect lowball they're still hitting higher profit margins in raw sales alone.

>>719047217
>think you underestimate how many people with a Switch dont have other platforms
Actually most switch owners tend to have multiple platforms, the switch is just preferred.

>>719047217
>how many people with a Switch dont have other platforms
IMO it's less not having them, and more refusing to use them.
I was already on the fence with only using steam when absolutely necessary when there was no other option, but now I actively refuse to give vidya corpos any money aside from buying directly from the JP nintendo eshop.
Two birds with one stone too because to this day a lot of JP steam games don't have JP text.

>>719038997
He tried to save us from the anime garbage like Xenoblade that plagues Nintendo now.

>>719047415
>now
You mean he turned Nintendo into the sterile cesspit it should have never been, until Furukawa fired his nigger ass.

>>719041028
that's what a mig switch is for.

>>719047415
>westoid tried to kikefy nintendo
good riddance, praise Furukawa for firing this goyim

>>719045934
Price parity isn't a Nintendo thing, it's a standardized practice by the industry to not cut the knees off of brick and mortar stores so that they'll continue to stock consoles.
Once most consoles are bought directly from the manufacturer, you'll see the prices of physical games go up to reflect the added cost of production and shipping.

>>719036615 (OP)
>physical copy requires digital download
this sounds like the worst of both worlds desu
you can't even use the standard physical copy cope of "yeah but I OWN my game, I can plug this game into a console 40 years from now it'll just werk" because without the server it'll be completely nonfunctional

>>719045934
>The pricing issue is compounded by the fact Nintendo insists that digital versions of a game offered through the eShop must be priced the same as physical versions.
Did they really put that in their article? How fucking scummy is that when they're priced the same as games on bluray that are cheaper? You shouldn't be shitting on the one using an expensive but more appropriate format, you should be shitting on the people using the inferior format and charging a premium.

>>719044004
Meanwhile Yooka Rapelay is complete on cart and costs the same on all consoles.

>>719047715
If it were the worst of both worlds then you wouldn't be able to sell keycards.

>>719048104
Being able to sell them is irrelevant. You're an adult. Stop pawning your shit.

>>719048023
He doesn't understand that 60 bucks was way more than necessary to make a hefty profit as it is let alone 70.

>>719036924
>Reggie

>>719047458
>>719047585
Nintendo was always beloved for its franchises that weren't overly anime, even in the age of anti-anime sentiments no one would get an overly Japanese vibe from Nintendo games, and this was long before Reggie came along. It wasn't until the Xenoblade bullshit that Nintendo started to go all in with the anime shit. They even put stupid YOOOOOOOOooo Japanese levels in Mario games now now or make things very obviously Japanese inspired like the Sheikah in botw/tears and Ganondorf being like a samurai. They need to keep their culture to themselves and not show pride in it.

>>719048207
I disagree.

>>719048501
I guess there's not helping you being poor.

>>719048104
buying games just to sell them for less is wasteful and a sign of a desperate poorfag. I never sell my games even when I know I'll never play it again.

>>719048023
To be fair, the target demographic for that game is absolutely on the Switch since if you love Platformers, you own Nintendo hardware.

>>719048487
>like the Sheikah in botw/tears
What the actual fuck are you talking about? How are they more fucking Japanese now when in oot they were basically fucking ninja?

>>719048557
There aren't any circumstances anyone could have that changes the objective facts about keycards. We can compare networths, but I wouldn't recommend it.

>>719048615
You can do whatever you want.

>>719048487
Nintendo just doesn't release their Japanese as shit games in the West, they probably make 10-15 games just for Japan every year.

>>719048487
>Nintendo was always beloved for its franchises that weren't overly anime
reminder this is westoid propaganda, both the GC and the wii u were catastrophic failures that almost sunk nintendo

>>719048750
>the objective facts about keycards
Being able to sell them is irrelevant, because if you are viewing that as a positive, then you should be spending your money on something else in the first place. It's like listing the red color as a positive of Switch 2 cards over Switch 1 cards. It does not matter.

>We can compare networths, but I wouldn't recommend it.
Put up or shut up, faggot.

>>719048925
They're both digital, and one you can sell back. Neither of which I will ever willingly support, since I prefer ownership.

>>719036615 (OP)
Bruh they tried to save face by acting like people don't know what they are as opposed to people not wanting them

>Nintendo thread
>still crying about pc
Lel

>>719049369
Well PC was the first and the worst to screw over it's userbase with anti consumer media formats.

>>719036615 (OP)
Why is everyone acting like the switch 2 invented key cards? AAA cancer was doing it on the switch too

>>719048729
Breath of the Wild has an entire Japanese-inspired village with Japanese inspired architecture, trees, clothing, and culture, with Japanese sounding music playing, is way more Japanese influence than 2 characters from Ocarina that are Ninja-esque. Not to mention Sheik is literally an Arabic word and she wears a turban looking head piece, so it's not entirely Japanese there either.

>>719049847
What keycards? The only thing they did was use cloud service

>>719049931
Absolutely everything you said was wrong you actual dipshit. Are you really just calling everything Japanese just to have a point?

>>719050049
you have to be retarded to deny Kakariko village doesn't scream Japanese shit.

>muh sale keycard
Fuck off you dumb retard stop selling shit

>>719036615 (OP)
Why does corpo speak sound like they got caught being a rapist and are reading a prewritten sanitized apology letter to save face

>>719050084
He knows he's wrong but can't admit it and has to double down in his stupidity

>>719050049
>Nuh uh
Nta but you got btfo, just make your concession, doubling down on your wrong position just makes you look retarded

>>719038141
So i can buy a new game
Put in a cartridge and start playing
All while i have an internet outage
Thata good because if i couldnt do that
It would sound like i have to have internet to play the game i just bought on a physical cartridge

>>719049938
Are you acting like corpos weren't using the cheapest switch 1 cart possible then forcing you to download a 50GB update?

>>719050747
Why
Do you write
Like this

>>719036924
here's a better gif

>>719051324
Newfag
Go back
To plebbit

>>719043764
>What's with the retarded deification of reggie?
sheer desperation to downplay the switch 1 and
same reason there's an uptick of wii u niggers claiming the system was good and soul akshually but didn't buy one when it mattered (if at all)

>>719039742
>They would have to
No they wouldn't. They choose to, and nintenslaves obey.

>>719049938
The "physical" ones I have are la noire, tony hawk, and spyro

>>719041232
>The average size of a Nintendo Switch game is around 1-2 GB
Yeah for like indies and PS1 ports lmfao

>>719036615 (OP)
We already discussed this to death: A lot of modern physical games don't have the entire game on the disc/cart, requiring you to download the whole thing and turning your copy into a glorified disc check. Nintendo's the first to make an explicit distinction between which copies contain the full game, so consumers understandably steer away from the copies that don't.
Pic related is the same exact shit as a game key card, only 85MB on the disc (300MB for the Xbox version) and you need to download the other 90GB online. The only difference is that there's no dedicated large, highlighted footer on the box saying any of this, just this little, tiny message tucked in next to the age rating. And some of them only have it on the back of the box.

PC/Steam users are the ultimate cuckholds.

(1) Valve stopped making games.
(2) They dont own shit and they are happy about it. They are World Economic Forum bottom faggots that love to spread their cheeks for Davos.
(3) They game on a platform that runs spyware (Windows)
(4) They have very few exclusives and the exclusives they have are meme game for queers like Goat Simulator.
(5) Their hardware is DOGSHIT made by a dying company that for decades made E-waste (Most PCs run on Intel chips)

PC faggots are the ultimate queers. This is why they are so loud and obnoxious just like real faggots.

>>719052472
This is why PC is just a supplementary gaming platform for me.

>>719052567

I'd rather put a bullet in my brain than become a PC gamer or game on PC..

>>719049931
The architecture isn't really Japanese though. It's more western than anything else. Just look at the house on the west in your image, you'd never see those window spaces in Japanese medieval architecture.
The trees look like figs, which is west Asian not east aka Japan.
Clothing isn't really Japanese either outside of maybe the Geta.
The real Japanese thing is the music.

>2 characters from Ocarina that are Ninja-esque.
It's not so much just the ninja part as much as its literally everything about their design even down to the weaponry with Impa using a Wakizashi and Sheik using smoke bombs and such. Even the color of their clothes ties into it since ninja supposedly wore blue clothes.

Anyway, it seems like your argument mainly focuses on Ignorance of what these Japanese things actually look like as well as the fact that there's only Impa and Sheik in OoT.

In all honesty though you could have made a better argument with the Yiga, you just didn't think of that.

>>719052472
Reminder valve:
>Popularized the concept of lootboxes.
>Killed physical PC game ownership for good.
>Created the concept of micro-transactions on PAID games (CSGO was paid at the time).
>Was one of if not the first company to push said gambling lootboxes on children (TF2).
>Happily popularized DLC with horse armor and not only did nothing to stop it, but actively promoted such.
>Effectively implemented denuvo for mods through forcing behaviors with the "convenience" of the steam workshop and going full glassed earth on mod rehosters and any tool to download mods without owning the game.
>Was the first one to start killing the westoid indie market by allowing people to just create "content" for their existing games in exchange of a pittance of payment.
>Were the first ones to push for paid mods.
And so much more.
Meanwhile someone like EA or any other westoid company would get (rightfully) fucking boycotted to death for a single one of those in the list, meanwhile valve not only gets scot free but the list actively gets pushed as a good thing actually by the steamgoys.
And then those same monkeys start projecting their cult behavior on "tendies" with shit like complaining about goycards despite that being a strongarmed option to forcefully stop third party kikes from shipping code-in-box shit AKSHUALLY being le bad and physical DRM.

I spit on PC vegans

>>719053178

This is why I say

FUCK STEAM
FUCK that FAT PIECE OF SHIT Gabe Newell
and FUCK all the Steam shit eating faggots that support them.

>>719053178
>>719053279
>>719053523
Fuck off sonyfags

>>719053691
Fuck off PC vegan.

>>719053178
Don't care how corporate Valve and Nintendo can be, they care for their fans and tend to just make games and hardware for gaming. Call me when Sony and Microsoft does this, OH WAIT, they're going THIRD PARTY, lmfao.

>>719054135
>Valve
>makes games

>>719054289
Yes

>>719052472
>They dont own shit and they are happy about it. They are World Economic Forum bottom faggots that love to spread their cheeks for Davos.
It takes 2 seconds to remove SteamDRM. PC users have more control over their games than consolefags ever will.

>>719054135
>valve
>caring for their fans
>when they just happily spread their asses to take in the payment processor cock instead of even showing some slight resistance in any way whatsoever
no thanks, i will piss on valve's grave when the fatso kike kicks the bucket and the company goes public

>>719054318
No

>can't shit on Nintendo because everyone knows it's third party devs fucking up
>immediately shift to valve
Sony fanboys are the absolute worst.

>>719054489
I wouldn't trade ownership for modding. Not really a close choice either. All games are moddable eventually.

>>719054958
snoys are the ones defending valve the most because they are the only ones that could possibly give nintendo any competition now anon
especially given you know, the chinky gooky gachaslop bubble collapsed?

>>719054961
>I wouldn't trade ownership for modding
You get both on PC, just crack your games and back them up if you aren't a retard

>>719054958
Not as bad as PC vegans console warring over keycards when Valve has had a worse format for two decades that you happily consoom.

>>719054961
Ironically enough I have seen far more mods for nintendo switch games than PC games these days, especially thanks to worshop draconian DRM.

>>719054624
>the company goes public

No, Microsoft will buy it.

>>719055130
Yup I own my Nintendo games and I can also crack them and back them up on my PC. Good point but I'm not sure how this helps with Valve not letting you own the software you purchase.

>>719055167
>Whataboutsim

>>719055354
Just speaking from personal experience. There's a reason PC vegans were voted the worst fanbase on /v/

>>719055509
No, you're deflecting and samefagging because you want to shift the conversation from the fact Keycards are inherently anti consumer, you're not slick, you're not clever, you're not intelligent

>>719055605

Nobody gives a fuck about keycards. You are just trying to force controversy on a non issue. Fuck off.

>>719055260
>Yup I own my Nintendo games and I can also crack them and back them up on my PC
No? You would need to homebrew your switch for that, and if you do, Nintendo will make it a priority to ban your console.
On the other hand, Valve doesn't give a shit about people installing Goldberg on their purchased games.

>>719038997
Made it so you didn't have to shell out $50 for fucking Wii Sports

>>719055123
>snoys are the ones defending valve
And yet here they are shitting on them.

>>719055689
>Nobody gives a fuck about keycards
You overplayed your hand retard. Everyone does. You have just exposed you're arguing in bad faith. Kys.

>>719055167
>Not as bad as PC vegans console warring over keycards
You mean, you sonyfags are console warring over keycards. No one else gives a shit.

>>719052302
Seeing MS get away with this convinced me that the only thing Nintendo did wrong with GKCs was make it clear what they are to the customer. It wouldn't have been a problem if it was just small print instead of a boxart destroying white footer apparently.

>>719054489
Why is there a fight between Tendies and Pcbros when they should be laughing at Snoys and Xbots for still shilling Sony's and Microsoft's failing gaming ventures.

>>719054624
Keep crying Xbot, Microsoft's future is a multiplat and when AAA dies, out of gaming entirely.

>>719055753

Look at Switch 2 sales retard. The thing is selling like crack/cocaine. Nobody gives a shit. This keycard thing is the "Muh Pokemon dex controversy" all over again that spammed the internet, but with a new coat of paint. NOBODY CARES, KILL YOURSELF you fucking RETARD.

>>719054769
Yes

>>719055819
Fuck no, if anything they should have made goycard announcements take MORE of the cover art for a better humiliation ritual.
If anything I'm convinced this pushback against nintendo specifically instead of jewish third parties saving a few bucks per copy is a gayop from corpos seething they don't get to push faux-physical that easily anymore.

>>719055943
>loses argument
>proceeds to grab bait picture from Google Images

Thanks for proving you lost.

>>719055912
>This keycard thing is the "Muh Pokemon dex controversy" all over again that spammed the internet, but with a new coat of paint.
Uh huh. If you hadn't noticed all of the game key games are failing spectacularly.

>>719055123
Funny you say that since Valve isn't going after Nintendo, they're going after both Sony and Microsoft. Their goal is to kill Sony's and Microsoft's hardware completely. The future is for Nintendo and Valve to own gaming without Sony or Microsoft who will be permanently stuck in the third-party seat until they drop gaming entirely.

If GKCs didn't exist, we'd either get more code in boxes or digital only like a lot of shit on xbox is. At least with them you can get them on sale/used or have the option to resell them.
Nintendo/Macronix is retarded for not pushing for 8gb/16gb/32gb cart sizes though. The NS2 editions even possibly prove you don't need the upgraded carts for NS2 software either.

>>719055605
Let me spell this out for you:
You're a PC vegan.
So you're fine with digital games like keycards.

Let me know if you have any questions.

>>719056039

More like, TURD party games are failing spectacularly.

>>719055209
This is as much of a cope as Microsoft buying Nintendo, that didn't work for them so now they're no longer doing it. That was Phil's plans and Satya wants Xbox dead. Phil isn't getting what he wants drone.

>>719055706
That's fine if that's too hard for you to do. I personally wouldn't trade ownership for modding anyway.

>>719055823
>Pcbros
*PC vegans

>>719056298
Valvevegans since I can't say Valve drones

>>719055819
Microsoft got away with it because they pay their gay ass shills to defend it like Sony does there. If Snoys or Xbots dropped dead one day, I would laugh.

>>719056103
>If GKCs didn't exist, we'd either get more code in boxes or digital only like a lot of shit on xbox is.
we would just get more of the exact same problem that plagued the switch 1 where third party jews would put a glorified launcher on the cheapest 4gb cart and force you to download a 100gb "update" with the rest of the fucking game
>Nintendo/Macronix is retarded for not pushing for 8gb/16gb/32gb cart sizes though.
they likely did, the problem with XC flash format is that likely making anything smaller than 64gb is diminishing returns not worth the cost
it would be like a PC goymer trying to buy 120gb sata ssds brand new today, there's no fucking point when it would barely be any cheaper than just buying a brand new 1TB drive

1TB SSD is far more expensive than 120GB SSD

>>719036924
He had his faults, but yes, he was leagues better than the soulless husks we have now.

>>719046887
Fire Emblem was always going to come over in that era boosted by it being new.
Layton wasn't inherently Japanese.
Pokemon? Are you fucking retarded? Are you fucking serious? You should slit all of your available veins in either case you fucking moron. I won't address it.
Spectrobes was published by Buena Vista/Disney
DQ games, ok but they were a gambit that flopped despite heavy shill campaigns. All down to keep the good graces of SE.
MonHun wasn't a fucking system seller, if you're not a fucking child you'd remember /v/ hyping both the 3ds and Wii U releases ad infinitum, only to lead to nothing sales and pathetic system movement.
>Chrono Trigger
What the fuck are you talking about you moronic idiot?
Yokai Watch was a fad in Japan at the time threatening even Pokemon. It died. Who cares?
>Ninty IP
Literally kill yourself retard. Also had no marketing not localization required.
>muh square
A different system, but still kill yourself retard.
>these DS games sold more than GameStop exclusive Xenoblade!!!
No shit? Do you even read the posts you shit your diarrhea on or what? Fucking dumbass fucking moron

>>719037345
Reggie gave me Wii Sports, don't give a shit about JRPGs

>>719037345
This, bastard did more damage than good and led to studio closures, the shills for Reggie can get fucked.

>>719036615 (OP)
This is old news.

>>719036843
You can't just omit the Subject, Nintendo.