Thread 719074197

>he doesn't game on 600hz+ monitor
can you even call yourself a gamer at this point?

>buy a 600hz monitor
>modern UE5 games are lucky to achieve a solid 60 frames
Samsung taking a piss

>>719074197 (OP)
60 hz is all you need

>>719074251
just use Super Multi Frame Generation™ set to 20x. Exclusive to RTX 6000 gpus.

I really don't get this 200+ fps bullshit, it's a placebo beyond 120. It's like those audiophiles with their cable snakes and crystals.

>>719074256
Dead wrong. 120 minimum.

>>719074312
imagine Super Ultra Duper Amazing Frame Generation™ on RTX 10000 series

play 1 FPS but it's frame gen so it's fine

>>719074341
Dead wrong. 240hz minimum.

>>719074376
Uhmmm sweaty you need at LEAST 480hz

This is aimed at people playing thirdworldercore games like CS, or maybe Fortnite in minimum settings to be competetive.

>>719074256
After you've tried a gaming oled monitor its just night and day, people don't know what they're missing out on

>>719074336
Funny. People have been saying for 2 decades that 30 is all you need, anything above that is placebo. Yet here we are, 60fps is now standard even on consoles and 120 is extremely common on PC now.
In conclusion, you're only saying that because you don't have access to 240hz monitors, and hardware outputting framerate to utilize it, so this is how you cope.

>>719074497
but i said this as someone who has a a high refresh oled monitor. I mostly end up capping the fps at 60 anyway.

>>719074336
This. I got a gsync monitor and can reach 144 and i dont see any fucking difference after 120fps

>>719074341
>>719074376
I'm gonna piss you guys off but I cap my 144hz at 30fps..
High fps feels too fake takes me out of the movie game I'm playing.
Just feels unnatural

>>719074559
after you reach 30 your brain can't perceive higher than 120 fps anymore unc

>>719074197 (OP)
/v/ can act really luddite regarding FPS, there is a noticeable and really nice difference between 100hz and something like 180hz... however 400+hz is fucking stupid. there's a bigger visual difference between 60 and 90 than there is between 200 and 400

>>719074589
>projecting this hard

>>719074336
i see a difference between 144 and 165. 610 sounds life changing

>>719074583
>>719074614
>>719074680
sorry that you got old unc, it's the same for FPS as it is for decibals

>>719074251
don't forget 60% of the frames are frame gen trash too

>>719074251
Even at low frame rates higher refresh rates are still better.
At 240hz you don't really need Vsync or Gsync anymore because the screen simply refreshes too quickly for noticeable tearing to occur.

YES EVEN AT 30 FPS, BECAUSE FPS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH REFRESH RATE.

Also 240hz is objectively the best refresh rate because it is divisible by 24, 30, 60 and 120.

>>719074583
Anything above 59hz is just too fast. The game literally is not meant to be experienced in 2x speed.
Its fucking stupid that the industry is pushing this speedhack like its something good

>>719074583
That doesn't piss me off, the same way a crackhead walking around in his underwear at the bus station doesn't piss me off
You just feel pity and wonder what the hell went wrong with him

>>719074774
okay but everything that's a multiple of 120 is divisible by any of those, you only listed it multiplied by 2
tip: 600 is 120 multiplied by 5

Why would anyone make this
TN's response times literally aren't good enough
They're about 2ms while any desktop oled is 0.3

>>719074251
Yeah but what if you wanted to replay Half Life 1? Checkmate

Why 6'10'?

Refresh rate higher than 29.97 gives your eyes fatigue from having to blink too often

>>719074197 (OP)
>Only games that benefit from ultra high hz are compgames
>CS2 update made your character move slower if you have high fps
>Your bullets also have more randomised spread wirh high fps
>Overwatch shat itself and died

>>719074197 (OP)
Ok but do you have a 600+ fps capable GPU?
on modern games, not old ones without frame limiter
you don't because it doesn't exist

>>719074972
gay arbitrary shit in spoilers

>>719074197 (OP)
Coil whine goes BBBBRRRRRRRRR

>>719074972
>NOOOOOOOOOO YOU CANT PLAY OLD GAMES BECAUSE YOU JUST CANT OKAY?

>>719074851
I wrote it out to make it clearer.
And in my opinion, unless we are talking VR applications, you are going to have diminishing returns after pushing beyond 240hz.
Not to mention the higher electricity bill.

I cant see the difference between 90hz and 120hz, so 90 is my sweet spot.

feels good that mid tier cards can achieve that

There are 480hz OLEDs out there already
Why would anyone set their picture quality back nearly 20 years for 25% more refresh rate
And on top of that oled can actually display those frames with its superior response times
Who the fuck wants this garbage

>>719075072
Same, I cap games at 90 even though I have a 4090. No need to push the card for no visual benefit.

>>719074197 (OP)
>TN in 2025
I know this is very niche and specifically for major comptards, but we already have OLED and IPS panels that reach 480hz. At that point we're pretty much talking about diminishing returns anyway so what prompts them to completely disregard image quality for this nonsens? No matter how you look at it, TN looks like straight up vomit.

>>719075126
>Who the fuck wants this garbage
Compfags playing low fidelity shit like league or dota2 probably.

>>719075176
IPS absolutely can't display that shit
They cap out at 240hz due to their weak response times and even there they're lacking

>600hz
Nice, now see the response times at 60 or 120hz because LCD panels get slower as refresh rate drops (unlike oled).

>>719074197 (OP)
riddle me this

what is the best monitor, gamers

exact brand and model

>>719074197 (OP)
>TN
>FPS
>ESPORT

>>719074197 (OP)
>I am poor and retarded
ok

>>719075439
Valve Index.

>>719074197 (OP)
>600hz
nah not buying a monitor like that
when you have a refresh rate that high the priority reverts back to img quality due to diminishing returns
my next monitor will be oled with higher res

>>719075439
Either some 4k 240hz OLED that has a 1080p 480hz mode or a 1440p 480hz OLED
We'll probably have 4k 480hz OLEDs with the next displayport revision and that's realistically where even a high end consumer stops giving a shit
8k will be a meme and shit isn't even close to rendering 4k480 let alone something with 4x as many pixels

>>719074251
j-just x10 framegen

>>719074535
what's funny about that, the increase is reverse exponential.
120 is far from common and I bet your virginity on, that half of those that have more than a 60hz monitor (let alone tv) rarely ever reach those fps. All you have to do is look on steam statistics.
With consoles you can be happy if its 60fps.

Who is the target audience for this kind of hardware? Counter-Strike players?

>>719074197 (OP)
Does anyone remember how thay try to put as much Hz as possible into TVs like 10 years ago? I saw something like 2000 Hz

>>719076226
and valorant players

>>719076226
People with money so not you

>>719074535
>People have been saying for 2 decades that 30 is all you need, anything above that is placebo
Nobody was actually seriously saying that. It was always said to make fun of consolefags.

>>719074197 (OP)
i have a 240hz oled panel and a 360hz ips panel and i can barely tell the difference between them in that respect
honestly 120hz is all you need

>>719076641
>i have a 240hz oled panel and a 360hz ips panel and i can barely tell the difference between them in that respect
You shouldn't really be able to if both are at max refresh rate as oled as roughly 1.5x the motion clarity of any lcd. If you put the ips down to 240hz and ran them side-by-side the difference will be pronounced.

>>719074614
The issue being had is that for most people 60fps has to be smeared in upscaled vaseline for the latest and greatest.
If all I did was play CSGO/CS2 i'd have definitely bought a 120Hz monitor though.

>>719074197 (OP)
"gamers" whose entire engagement with the hobbie is buying expensive consoomer electronics and run csgo/doom benchmarks

>>719076794
>run csgo/doom benchmarks
pffft, those are amateurs. Real gangsters know what benchmarks to run.

>>719076226
This isn't consumer hardware: this is shit intended for esports tournaments.

>>719074197 (OP)
there's no point past 144hz, until you hit 1ghz. and from there you would need 10ghz to see any difference.

>>719074497
i switched from 60hz to 240hz
its not that noticeable

I can barely tell a difference for anything over 90. And that's only if I'm looking really closely at details. But it does make emulator speed-up really smooth.

Does it have adaptive sync?

At 600 Hz the tearing would be unreal unless something were able to rope it in line with 120-ish FPS.

>>719076226
Free poojeet games like Valorant, CS2, LOL, Fortnite

>>719077345
Tearing literally only matters at lower framerates dummy

>>719075126
High refresh TN panels like the zowie have far better motion clarity than OLEDs, dumbfuck.
>>719077345
Holy fuck, these are the retards I'm stuck with on /v/

>>719075327
>They cap out at 240hz
It's true that IPS has shit response times by comparison but you're still wrong. Look at the LG 27G850A for example.

>>719078018
oh this guy is stuck here. society is keeping him down forcing him to be a loser degenerate

>>719074197 (OP)
anything over 144 herts iz unnecessary. and besides, just look at how badly optimized games are now, if you have a modern midtier pc, you won't be able to get more than 70 frames in your games anyways. that is, if you have a 1440p or 4k pc. and we are fast approaching the era where midtier pc's can handle 4k games pretty well. we're not quite there yet, but we're slowly getting there. so actually, modern midtier pc's can't even do 4k properly yet. so if they can't even do 70 fps in all games yet, how exactly are they going to be able to do a whopping 610 fps??

>>719074197 (OP)
also, the counterstrike servers are capped at 60 fps or whatever, so what does it matter if you have a monitor that can go up to 610 fps? it doesn't matter if you get a thousand fps in counterstrike, because the servers cannot go higher than 60. so whatever your eyeballs are telling you, the cs servers will have the final say in the matter.

>>719074197 (OP)
I bought a 130 euro 27" 2K 100Hz monitor. Simple as

>>719074336
i can notice the difference between 120hz and 240hz on my monitor, but only when switching between them

>>719074197 (OP)
here you go fags, proof that cs servers can only handle up to 60 fps.

>>719079646
Tickrate has nothing to do with how fast your client can draw frames idiot.

>>719074547
I'd rather play a game with high framerate than high graphics

>>719079142
>anything over 144 herts iz unnecessary
i disagree. even beyond 200 hz or whatever the human eye can actually discern, the higher the refresh rate is the lower the input/output latency. so increasing refresh beyond human visual acuity is still useful. the real problem comes where the output refresh rate is not a multiple of 60 like 144 and 168, then some games like console ports have a shitfit over it and run like ass.

personally i can discern the difference between 30, 60, 120, 144, and 167.9999 or whatever, especially if there a large object in motion or a camera is panning. if i look close i can actually see the individual frames and how far apart they are. it doesn't matter how high a refresh rate is there will ALWAYS be flicker, because it's frames and not real life.

>Modern games struggle to run at more than 60FPS 1080p on top class hardware
>I'm supposed to believe 600hz screens are worth anything
hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm I can't wait to play nethack at 600fps with RTX, I must consooooooooooom

>>719074251
>>719074197 (OP)
watch 24fps anime on this
panning will still be disgusting

>>719076595
I guess that's why nuDMC developers had the balls to say only losers care about 60fps, and that's why you still see people say that fps doesn't matter because ocarina of time ran 18fps and everybody loved it anyway.

>>719080551
been able to play quake 3 at 99999999999 fps for 30 years buddy get with the program

>>719077324
Bullshit. Switching from 60 to 120 is already more than noticable, so much so that I find it hard to go back to 60.

>be nintendochad
>enjoying playing 120FPS games on my Switch 2

>be PCfag
>buy a 600 hz monitor to play stutter engine games at 30fps with fake frames

LOL

Look what they need to mimic a fraction of my power

>>719080551
>Modern games struggle to run at more than 60FPS 1080p on top class hardware

No they don't, anyone who actually owns "top class hardware" plays 4k and not 1080p, and it can be possible that they don't hit 60 at 4k without upscaling tech in certain terribly optimized games, but definitely not at 1080p.

>>719080616
fps doesn't matter if the frametimes are even and the game's internal logic runs independently of the render thread
fps DOES matter when everything that happens in the game is tied to the framerate because the developers were simply just fucking lazy

>>719074197 (OP)
why would I call myself anything? less so a gamer
I enjoy games, they are not my life

>>719080751
There is not a single game that runs 120fps on the Switch 2.
>>719080775
Horseshit. If the frametimes are even that only means you don't get microstutters that most people fail to even realise is even a thing, or even notice. Even if the frametime is even, 30 fps is cancer, just less cancer somewhat compared to uneven frametimes 30 fps, but at the end of the day still cancer.

its so funny that everyone ITT has a cpu weaker than intel 14th gen paired with the slowest ram known to man.

>>719074256
yep. it's gamer time

I game on a 60Hz 1440p color-calibrated monitor

>>719080961
speak for yourself

The chinks already got a 720Hz joint. And anything that isn't OLED is kind of ass because the ghosting/blur is atrocious, the vidlag/reaction times past 360Hz is so negligible and not worth mentioning.

>>719080225
so? it doesn't matter how many frames you get in your game, because the server only refreshes every 60 seconds.

>>719081349
Most games don't have the client fps tied to the server fps.

>>719074535
120 is often implemented on consoles as well as many TVs support it.

>>719078018
objectively wrong
tn is just a poverty tech now, it's just shittier across the board
https://youtu.be/UonGoqrAdMA?t=421
look at this entire section and now look at every oled stomping it with 0.3ms averages

>>719081384
again, it doesn't matter, because as long as the server only updates its' data sixty times per second, that's what you'll get. that's it. it won't matter what your eyeballs tell you, the server has the final say.

>>719077345

>At 600 Hz the tearing would be unreal unless
It would stay on screen 1/600th of a second, duh

>>719081963
What on earth do you mean it won't matter what your eyeballs tell you? Of course it matters, its easier to track a target that isn't blurry. You don't have a clue what you're talking about, just regurgitating some shit you don't understand.

>>719082051
no, you will see the shot register, but the server won't. because what the server thinks, is all that matters.

>>719074535
>People have been saying for 2 decades that 30 is all you need
tendoids and snoys are not "people"

>>719082113
>because what the server thinks, is all that matters.
This also isn't true.

>picking 'pro gamer' shit over vivid lifelike colors that elevate any game tenfold
ishygddt

>>719079646
the point of higher refresh rates is that they're more lifelike and it's easier to learn on them because you see the most minute of movements
do you play minecraft at 20fps? because that's the fucking limit there

>>719082151
listen, the game info has to go back to valve somehow, doesn't it? and valve's cs servers only refreshes 66 times a second. so what does that mean? so even if YOU have a monitor that goes up to ten thousand frames per second, the server will still only accept the amount of information the server will accept. which is it accepting new data 66 times per second.

>>719082117
Oh I never treated them as "people", that's why pc players have the reputation of smug elitists, master race, etc., but it's okay because in this case it's completely justified. I hate console shitters so much it's unreal.

>>719082367
if i played mainecraft, i easily could do that, yeah. but i don't.

>>719082524
then you're a retard that doesn't understand what a videogame is

>>719074336
>>719074256
I like how the "the human eye can't see past X fps" is always whatever the monitor of the retard who is saying it is capable off.

>>719082470
Oh, you're trolling, got it.

>>719082752
maybe, but i do understand tick rates.

>>719082951
i'mnot

>>719074197 (OP)
This should be standard.

>>719074251
i've had a 170hz for a while and really don't see a reason to go beyond that

>>719083081
you should understand why the responsiveness in a visual medium matters then
the more lifelike something is the less of a disconnect there is

>>719083650
iTS NOT MEANT FOR YOU ITS FOR VIDEO EDITORS CONTENT CREATOR ETC. The coope is that if the video is edited good on max settings than only thing you need to do is scale things down to work on lower tier STFU AND STOP ASKING DUMB SHIT YOU ALRTEADY KNOW THE ANSWER OF fucking retard!!

>>719083673
doesn't matter, as long as the tick rate in online games is only 60 fps, having a monitor that goes higher, is useless and a waste of money. if you just want to please your eyeballs, then that's fine, but getting one for competitive purposes is a total waste of one's money.

>>719084818
it looks better thus it's easier to see your smallest movements and learn
besides you clearly don't understand the difference between client and server and what lag compensation even is

>>719084949
i understand, thus why i say that all that matters, is server tick rate. not monitor fps.

>>719074256
I have a 240hz oled and I'd like more.

>>719085196
no, you're clearly poor and never witnessed a high refresh rate monitor which is why you're doing this scientism cope
i can't imagine ever going back to 60hz in tf2 despite it having 66.6 tickrate

>>719085560
as i said, whatever floats your goat, so be it. but the science is still on my side. whatever the fuck your lying eyes are telling you, is wrong.

>>719086225
the science of being poor and looking for copes to justify it
a 144hz monitor is 100 bucks now

>>719074197 (OP)
What games can 6ouecen play at 600fps?

>>719074197 (OP)
can even one gpu run CSGO at 600 fps?

>>719074197 (OP)
There was no tn monitor at games com
Only a 500 oled hz from samsung and it felt like a 160 hz

>>719074734
So this is the intelligence of the most mutt generation yet....

>>719083650
Yeah. The difference between 60 and 90 is pretty huge, 90 to 120 is harder to tell, 144 is just a meme number at this point and I can tell that 240 is cleaner in motion its just not worth the 2x power draw and I didnt want to get used to it, so I cap shit at 90

>>719074197 (OP)
>TN
I could prefer taking dick in the ass

>>719090319
240hz is baseline on oled monitors grandpa

Some new monitors in 2025 are already 300Hz+

>>719087158
yes it's not hard

>>719087158
lower the graphics
nobody cares about the graphics in eslop games