Thread 719108768

ITT: Tropes you hate
>science fiction setting
>Ships have aerodynamic designs, even though there's no need for this in a vacuum
>We want magic in our setting but uuuh let's just call it "psionics"
>Faster than light travel

>>719108768 (OP)
I am optimistic for the Expanse game, although I feel like space ships are probably a sideshow in it.

>Science Fiction setting
>planets and moons are really close to each other

>>719108768 (OP)
>scifi or fantasy setting
>it's just boring humans only, or human focused shit. even if there are non-humans, you can't even get any as party members

>>719108768 (OP)
What if your space ship can travel through both vacuum and atmosphere?

>>719108768 (OP)
>>We want magic in our setting but uuuh let's just call it "psionics"
Psionics are not "magic", you silly consumer.

>>719108768 (OP)
Spin status?

>>719109503
then it's stupid, unless the only intention is the ability to land and take off in atmosphere

>>719109592
you mean drum status

>>719108768 (OP)
>>Ships have aerodynamic designs, even though there's no need for this in a vacuum
this is kino thoughbeit

>>719108768 (OP)
>Ships have aerodynamic designs, even though there's no need for this in a vacuum
so they can build their ship anyway they want and they should decide not to make it sleek and cool looking?

>>719108768 (OP)
>Setting allows faster than light travel
>No one ever used it to explicitly violate causality laws and crash the reality with BSOD

>>719109601
>Then it’s stupid

Futuristic shows or games taking place in primitive locations infuriate me.

>>719109713
>>719109765
There is an actual reason to do that if it's a ship that travels at significant fractions of light speed or close to it. At this speed, interstellar gas is no longer very sparse, so you want to reduce the profile and make it smooth.

>>719108768 (OP)
>Ships have aerodynamic designs, even though there's no need for this in a vacuum
What if they want it to be capable of landing and/or taking off from a planet with atmosphere

>>719109809
you know those can’t exit the atmosphere without extra help, right?

>>719109713
it limits creativity

>>719108768 (OP)
How do you design a good dropship bros? My best idea was a piece of shit box with thrusters kind of like picrel that would literaly have a nickname "coffin".

>>719109336
The last time we had real peer to peer naval combat was in WW2, and it came in three flavors: aircraft carriers spamming torpedo bombers, u-boats doind stealth raids, and knife fighting. We have 0 real-life eperience of what a modern naval war would look like with our current technology. Le tacticool missile precision anti-ship missile strikes from hundreds of miles away has never been combat tested against anything other than 3d world shitholes with fishing boats for a navy. We have 0 fucking clue what naval warfare would look like with future technology, much less in space. Hell, the closest thing we have right now to a modern conflict is the war in Ukraine. There has been one proven success of an anti-ship missile, and many more proven successes of kamikaze drone boats ie: getting into knife fighting range. The future might be surprising.

>>719109601
What if it's just supposed to sit there in the air looking menacing?

>>719109713
ACTUALLY star wars ships are not aerodynamic
https://youtu.be/oDt_cIhYSjk?si=VmQeR3Fj_M4ZdOHl

USAnians will never be human.

>>719110091
>ah yes. Today i will make my space ship a CUBE instead of a donut!
Only works for aliens

>>719108768 (OP)
>Ships have aerodynamic designs, even though there's no need for this in a vacuum
>anon cant imagine the fact that ships might have to enter/leave the atmosphere
>a ship not built to be aerodynamic is literally stuck in space forever
absolute retard

>>719108768 (OP)
>Ships have aerodynamic designs, even though there's no need for this in a vacuum
In my sci-fi setting, that's something that humanity realized and collectively decided was so lame that it became an unspoken law that all spacecraft would be designed to look cool. People with "efficient" blob ships get mercilessly bullied.

>>719110063
And in some scifi stories ships need extra help to hit warp speed while other stories don't. Depends on how you write it.

Space without ftl is fucking pointless. Just look at real life for reference. Space is literally nothing more than a wallpaper.

>>719108768 (OP)
>Faster than light travel
how would you make sci fi setting without FTL? you would just be stuck in your equivalent of solar system, MAYBE one system further if your entire game is modern telling of Odyssey
>inb4 stargates/warp travel
they are still FTL, fuck you

>>719110537
We invented the airplane

Psionics are actually a very interesting theme because it raises the question of evolution for human species. It's not for "hard" sci-fi, but it's one of the best ways of making your sci-fi setting more interesting.

>>719109809
Yes, the space shuttle was stupid.

>>719110243
Battletech has the key. Giant eggs.

>>719111881
Psionics is just space magic 90% of the time.

unless your ship is gigantic and will never enter orbit, you want your spaceship to be aerodynamic so it can easily land and navigate on planets as well

>>719109336
>game does both at the same time

>>719112024
When you're brown, everything must seem like magic

>>719108768 (OP)
Of course they're aerodynamic, the space adventurer ship must be able to land on planets.
Psionics is boring, better to use patented nanobots that's really expensive so not everybody can have them and give them more restrained powers.
Yeah without FTL it's boring hard scifi. Progenitors, panspermia and FTL gates is the way to go.

>>719109601
>kneecapping yourself to shuttles when your enemy is fully capable of planetary landings and low atmospheric flight
t. failing democracy

>>719111778
No you didn't. Something that only flies when shot into the air with a catapult is not an airplane.

>>719108768 (OP)
many spacecraft in the expanse are used in aerodynamic environments as well as vaccum so having 'aerodynamic design' makes sense.

this thing was designed for a potential war against earth so landing on the surface was also considered. since it was already designed to handle extreme acceleration and to minimize it's frontal cross section in a fight it's already an aerodynamically sound design.

as for 'ftl' in a fictional setting i dont necessarily oppose the idea but i dont like how you'd ignore the implications of it. FTL guarantees reverse-causality. a ship that receives a radio signal in such a scifi universe should be able to travel to the sending ship and arrive before the sending ship sends the signal. since most books,tv shows... almost exclusively deal with direct linear causality i dont see how you could even film/show/convey to the viewer what FTL would cause.

>>719112024
Depends entirely on the setting and what ramifications you give to psi powers. Pic related was amazing.
>if mind gains power to control the matter, it also means the part of psyche that's completely unconscious can warp the environment too, completely outside of your control
>your dreams, your hidden desires, your emotions start spilling into environment, twisting, poisoning and morphing it
>certain mental issues cause a complete meltdown of both the person and everyone around him, a simple depression or burst of anger can turn into something worse than Columbine
>this has warped the entire society, turning it into a dystopia where the growth is carefully observed and any child showing psychopathic tendencies or just emotional instability is removed before he can turn into a walking nuclear missile, all stages of life are monitored, sexual release is encouraged as if the young adults are living in bonobo society, and there's a genetic treatment in place that stops your heart if you even think about killing another human

>>719110339
we have torpedos, anti-torpedos, anti-anti-torpedos and a shit ton of ballisitcs. i don't know about the ballistics, but i'm sure we'll keep the missiles. what's always somewhat overlooked is electronic warfare

>>719110243
If you're having to build a lot of them in a very short period of time to engage with a threat, then that is a smart and practical design. You need something that works well enough now, not something that works great when the enemy is already buttfucking you on your own shore.

>>719112573
>making yourself a sitting duck for orbital bombardment

This is why you get wiped out by space bugs.

>>719112665
>retard turdie thinks carrier catapults are literal medieval catapults
lmfao

>>719112665
You're easy to pick out

>>719108768 (OP)
>Ships have aerodynamic designs, even though there's no need for this in a vacuum
This is a very common smug refrain on reddit.
Many starships do need to pass into and out of the atmosphere so their design needs to take this into consideration. But a simpler explanation is that if you're manufacturing and selling starships, you would want to give them sleek designs, just like automobiles. Designs that appear aerodynamic evoke speed and efficiency, which is what consumers would want in their vessels, so inevitably it would become the "meta" in ship design.

>>719108768 (OP)
>Ships have aerodynamic designs, even though there's no need for this in a vacuum
what about ships that can land in a planet with atmosphere tho

>>719113478
it's also a lot easier to reinforce a cohesive, aerodynamic shape than it is to reinforce a fuckhuge cube or sphere

>sci-fi setting
>it's understandable to the average layman reader
wow i h8 tropes 2

>>719113595
nonsense. if it's a cube then you only need flat plates making it very easy. and a sphere would need the least amount of plating, because it's a fucking sphere. you gay retard

>>719108768 (OP)
>Faster than light travel
Why do people really think it's impossible?

>>719110504
>Hi I'm going to explain the aerodynamics of fictional space ships... but I don't know anything about aerodynamics and am just regurgitating whatever the "software" is telling me. Like comment and subscribe!
Content slop creators deserve the rope.

>>719108768 (OP)
>Ships have aerodynamic designs, even though there's no need for this in a vacuum
You'd still want angled surfaces to present to enemy weapons. Could also give better clearance for turrets.

>>719110909
>People with "efficient" blob ships get mercilessly bullied.

Based as fuck.

I think Dune is the most interesting sci-fi setting, because it cuts out computers. The world becomes so much more interesting without computers.

>>719113775
operative word, fuckhuge, you total fucking cock sucking retard. it would be absolutely 100% harder to manufacture massive plates of metal for massive geometric shapes than it would be to build up a frame in sections. stupid fucking cunt faggot

>>719113781
best guess is that it is.
If you're thinking of the warp drive stuff that shrinks space in front and expands space behind, allegedly it will create a "bubble" around you that will fill with antimatter that will destroy everything involved.
wormholes are the only current hope

>>719114220
you can make a cube out of section, you can make a sphere out of sections. you double nigger

>>719109052
Someone's in for a surprise
Will think of you and laugh at you when the game comes out and has 5bln bugs

>>719108768 (OP)
>I hate fun
ok, thanks for sharing

>>719108768 (OP)
>auto translate implants that translates alien language except for certain words that the aliens will say even though it could easily be translated
>example
>”Your demands are too much, kubra.”
>”What does that mean”
>”Kubra means outsiders.”
So then why the fuck didn’t the translator just say “your demands are too much, outsiders.” This shit happens in fantasy too and it bugs me every time.

>>719114679
>Youtube automatically translates videos to my native language
>leaves out some random word for some reason
I dont know who decided to implement this, but i hope their life doesn't go well

>Sci-fi setting
>The space force uses Navy terms instead of new terms or air force terms.
I know why, I'm just sick of it.

>>719114679
>RAAAAAWRR
>what the hell chewie, you can't say that
>beep boop boop beep
>HAHAHA, oh N1G2 you are so funny
fuck off you fucks, i fucking hate this shit

>Force fields/Shields
>Somehow people/ships can shoot thru their own force fields just fine

>>719114970
but thats indeed funny

>>719114982
I like certain explanations that it is a cyclic shield that the ship/robot is programmed to shoot when the cycle is in an "off" state, and the enemy needs to have a guess on the shield frequency.

>>719114982
maybe the lasers and shield share a secret frequency

>>719108768 (OP)
>no newtonian physics when in zero G environments
fucking gay

>>719115191
>hey, frank i got the space elves shield frequency
>what is it?
>1234
>wow, they really are just like us

>>719109336
what if it's like the early modern era and both sides know long range pussyfooting will just lead to a battle of attrition and more casualties than necessary?
>get into close range
>have a decisive battle
>losing side surrenders or retreats
>3.1% casualties
vs
>stay 15.5 light seconds apart
>battle lasts 47 days 6 hours and is a draw
>ships run out of fuel and have to withdraw
>78.5% casualties, 567 ships destroyed, 3.2 million men dead

>muh realism

Fuck off. 50-80' SF books were great precisely because everyone was going nuts with possibilities, even "hard" SF dudes. We had visions of galactic empires, of travel, of wonders, of discovery, even bleak post-apo shit had more imagination than what we have now. But nooo, it must be "realistic" now, even generation ships are not allowed, at best you have barely functioning colonies in Solar System but it's usually just about dying Earth because MUH GLOBAL WARMING. I'm tired of this shit, give me back some fucking imagination like GUT guns and weaponized time travel of Baxter or computer assisted self-morphing into crazy, barely human forms of Charles Sheffield. Go crazy. Go wild. Use fucking imagination.

>Megaproject is either mentioned in conversation or shown in the distance
>You never visit it

>>719115394
You're thinking of space opera or just plain fantasy.

>>719115453
>you can live on the megaproject

>>719115489
People forget but Star Wars is a space opera, complete with melodramatic speeches and a tragic hero figure.

>>719115345
>stay 15.5 light seconds apart
it would be more like ww2 naval engagements then where they fire off thousands of rounds over several hours that all miss until one of the battleships takes a random shot to a funnel and reduces power by 20% so the entire fleet withdraws

>>719108768 (OP)
>Ships have aerodynamic designs, even though there's no need for this in a vacuum
Beauty is a virtue in itself.

>>719109052
I was under the impression that it's basically mass effect set in the expanse universe.

>>719108768 (OP)
Any science fiction that pretends to be scientifically rigorous yet has faster than light travel

>>719115489
Dont give a shit, literature gives you no bounds and you still try to squeeze it into what you now consider possible.

>>719115394
Fiction is just reflecting the times it was written in

>>719109052
>>719108768 (OP)
Expanse tv show and 'game' are NOT expanse. In any way shape or form.

Soft > hard sci-fi

>>719115325
kek

>>719108768 (OP)
Hot, sweaty, space plapping with dommy mommy Camina

>>719115716
>>719108768 (OP)
you're a phsyicslet if you think FTL is necessarily impossible

>>719115742
genres are allowed to have bounds. in fact one might say thats how genres are defined in the first place

ITT TROPES YOU LOVE:
Space bugers

>>719115768
It was supposed to be an mmo before becoming a book, it's just going full circle.

>>719115876
>Trying to break the speed of light? Yeah sorry bucko, but that's gonna be a time out for you.

>>719115908
Biotech races. Bonus points if they are actually intelligent.

The real problem is ships acting like aircraft.

>>719115767
And it sucks. First we had boom of hope after WWII ended, then we had constant fear but also escapism under shadow of Cold War. What we have now? Fear and ZERO hope, complete apathy, not even a single push to imagine something original. I checked recently shelf at book store with "modern" SF. Dystopian shit, muh global warming, muh corporations, muh nanomachines, muh AI takeover, over and over again.

>>719115908
love space diners

>>719116069
But that's based.

>>719112154
That's just Napoleonic formations in space and then the battles play out however the plot dictates

>>719108768 (OP)
Soulless Reddit sciencebrains have effectively killed sci-fi so you should be happy

>>719115908
>douglas adams out of nowhere
I love space wars that only take place in our solar system and ask what it means to be human

>>719116152
the plot dictates the outcome in any story

>>719110339
except space is not an ocean, it's impossible to hide in space

>>719109838
Cavemen in space sounds unga bunga

>>719116095
cyberpunk exists since at least the 70s

Question for /v/: would (you) play a science fiction game where the protagonist is a woman as long as its a cool setting and the gameplay is good? Ie, Metroid, Signalis, Nier Automata. Or is this a trope that bothers you.

>Orbital bombardment via cannons, LAZER BEAMS or anything like that
>When you can just toss rocks at people and achieve the same results

>>719116227
If the gameplay and story are good alongside a cool looking protagonist, you could have me playing as a clanker for all I care.

Are there any sort-of realistic spacegames that dont use FTL? Ones that just stick to one solar system?

>>719108768 (OP)
>We want magic in our setting but uuuh let's just call it "psionics"
This one pisses me off the most, I think Cyberpunk was the only scifi game that implemented this in a non retarded way with hacking basically being that games "magic" system but actually makes sense for a scifi setting.

>>719116227
I flat out do not play games with female MCs. There are games that I have skipped I can admit look good, but I will never play them because they make you play as a woman.

>>719115876
The speed of light is literally the speed of causality. Going faster than it would imply retrocausality and an impossible Minkowski spacetime. The only mathematical exception to this are closed timelike curves, which still don't allow FTL or anything of interest to observers.

>>719116227
Your examples are SHIT. If it was smth like OG Alien then maybe

>>719116227
yeah
how big are their asses?

>>719108768 (OP)
>Faster than light travel
FTL is okay if it has consistent rules that prevent FTL weapon. You can't have cool things outside our system without FTL. Even some hard SF writers make an exception for FTL and FTL communication if they need grand scale opera

>>719115768
Eh, figured as much, I loved the show might give this a try if it's not complete garbage.

>space trucking/trading
I fucking love this shit, why isn't it a thing more often?

>>719116375
How is Samus not a good example?

>>719116367
Can i ask why? i would like to understand why you would limit yourself in such a way. I mean no disrespect, i am genuinely curious, do you think you have enough humility and introspection to know like deep down what it is that bothers you about having to play as a woman? Because from your own post, there are games you think that look good but you avoid due to the fact you have to play as a woman. So clearly the fact that the protagonist is a woman is THE dealbreaker for you, and I would like to understand why as much as possible.

uh oh filty wilty

>>719108768 (OP)
>>Ships have aerodynamic designs, even though there's no need for this in a vacuum
yeah god forbid a space ship ever want to land on a planet with an atmosphere
you fucking idiot
I will kill you.

>>719108768 (OP)
More of this girl? She's cute as frickin heck

>>719109336
I love this though.
BSG was incredibly kino whenever Galactica and a Basestar were pummeling eachother with missiles and guns. Galactica having a giant flak-field only made it better.

>>719116513
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hqG-29NTSU
play elite dangerous if you want space truckin

realismfags should kill themselves

>>719116568
Breaks suspension of disbelief

>>719116604
>space fantasy/soft sci fi vs hard sci fi

>various alien civilisations
>there's an all female blue catgirl race that's biologically compatible with human men
I don't even really hate it but if you do this I won't respect your work as serious sci-fi

>>719109336
It's pretty possible in high tech settings where ships have something like Epstein drive from Expanse and can do maneuver in combat. Though the range will be bigger. It's all about engagement range.

>>719116719
Can you explain what you mean? Like the fact that a woman is the one doing these things is what breaks your suspension of disbelief?

>>719116539
this is only valid in specifically 40k
in plenty of other scifi settings you just leave some nanomachines on the rock to use the minerals and metals in the rock to built itself a rudimentary propulsion system at little to no cost

>>719113995
Because Dune is fantasy and you're just a fantasyfag who doesn't like actual scifi.

>>719116638
Ill check it out thanks

>>719116751
Stellaris does it best, by default alien species are not compatible, BUT if you as a society really truly want it you can invest in a special project that forces genetic compatibility through extreme advanced biological and genetic manipulation

>>719116808
got a problem with that, faggot?

>>719116568
Women are the closest thing to alien life that we know, there is such a large disconnect between our rationale I could never understand a woman's story, could never empathize with her thoughts. I can imagine the best sort of escapism, it is very easy to actually put myself in these stories and be completely fully immersed for weeks and weeks, it is almost impossible when the character is female.

>>719116313
Outer Wilds, I think

>>719116869
I mean this in the nicest way possible but have you been checked for autism?

>>719115768
The show and the books are 1:1 story, how is the show not Expanse when it's literally the same

>>719116808
scifi = fantasy
future bullshit science = magic

>>719116804
Then, citizen, instead of wasting time building a propulsion system on a fucking rock, you could simply use those nanomachines to kill off the planet you are attempting to destroy kinetically.

>>719116702
>realismfags
Realism fagging is something like picrelated. Expanse TV ships looks grounded but not realistic.
It's good to have some "weight" in your setting. I bet anyone feel cringe when they see Stinger used as rocket launcher weapon in video games.

>>719116965
it isnt an STD. If you go to a doctor saying "i think i might be autistic" they will say you are, it changes nothing beyond telling you why you are how you are.

>>719116205
>nebula with electromagnetic interference
>asteroids
>going deep in a planet's ocean
>ship's emissions mimic background radiation

You're gonna get so snuck up on in the spacefuture with a weak imagination like that, cadet.

>>719116452
I feel like FTL communication is easier to do while still keeping a hard-scifi feeling if it has sufficient limitations
a fairly common one is quantum entanglement which also requires the received to be physically brought at slower than light speed to it's destination

>>719117132
knowing what the fuck is wrong with oneself is a great deal in overcoming said yet unknown problem

>>719117069
nanomachines are hard-limited to only build preset designs specifically to avoid any grey goo scenarios and are limited in levels of self-replication

>>719116270
You idiot. You smoothbrained primitive. To toss rocks, you have to bring rocks. You know what hits harder than a tossed rock, expressed as a ratio of effective impact force to cumbersome cargo mass?

That's right, almost every other option.

Cretin.

>>719116787
What's there to explain, bud? Some situations are simply too outlandish

>>719113874
doesnt this sort of thing make it really likely your engines will get obliterated?

>>719117275
again "overcoming" like it is some treatable disease or something
what treatment cures autism anon?

>>719117146
>nebula with electromagnetic interference
Nebula density is low enough on earth it would be considered a laboratory grade vacuum
Asteroids are incredibly far apart, approaching them would be easy to pick up
You're not waging war against space ships from inside an ocean
And no, you can't mimic background radiation on a ship that's active, because the slightest bit of activity will raise your temperature and avoiding emitting that heat means you'll cook yourself

>sci-fi setting
>space ships act as planes or warships
would it kill anyone to have 1 (one) game that isn't this?

>>719117132
well yes but then you might be able to understand yourself better and learn ways to understand others better. At the moment you dont even seem to have theory of mind, which is shocking. You are functionally an npc.

>>719117489
Halo ships are pretty unique.

>>719117302
Then have them build multiple nuclear bombs to destroy the planet using the planet's resources.

>>719117212
>fairly common one is quantum entanglement
Quantum entanglement FTL was proven not possible though. But I always liked it. Alcubierre drive is pretty common FTL tool tool.

>>719116787
>Epstein drive
Is it some kind of sex drive?

>>719117382
you can try to change behaviours step by step, little by little. to make life more bearable not to cure niggardry. anyway, back to space.

fuck huge space stations

>>719117503
I don't know how you could have gotten that from anything I have said, in fact it is very easy to empathize with a shockingly different lifestyles, mindsets and cultures as long as they are not women. Either way, hearing it from a doctor would do no more than hearing it from you. What does it actually change?

>>719108768 (OP)
>science fiction setting
>Asian character
>Has stereotypical asian surname

>>719115345
Logically, if one side has a massive firepower adventage they'd want to get into a knife fight for maximum hit chance and the swift elimination of the enemy before those can retreat and resort to hit and run tactics. Conversely, the disadventgaed side would want to maximize chance of evasion and keep their distance while taking potshots at the superior foe. This might make knife fights dependant on surprise attacks or calculating where the fleeing enemy will in the nar future be to cut them off.

>>719117586
at which point it's easier to just build thrusters on an asteroid

>>719117725
>in fact it is very easy to empathize
this directly contradicts your earlier statement where you admit you fundamentally do not understand 50% of the human population to the point where they are aliens to you. There is no point in trying to convince anyone that you arent like this anon, you already admitted it.

>>719117687
Only little girls and boys can handle ship with Epstein drive.

>>719117642
sure but it's still relatively explainable, especially if you go with the angle of "we missed something that makes it possible"

mostly it works because it tends to not be just pure magic communication, it needs to be shipped over, is rare, vulnerable to sabotage, usually not particularly high bandwith so you're still limited in what it can do

>>719117802
The lacking theory of mind would ensure that to be 100%, even being able to empathize with 20% of the population would prove a person does have theory of mind.
You clearly have no idea what you are talking about.
Last (you), make it count.

>>719117828
>Ship has epstein drive
>everytime you enter warp speed you get drugged and raped

>>719117467
You can't even hide behind a rock just because "space isn't an ocean"?

You know what you're right, you personally have solved every engineering problem that even sci-fi could possibly consider because you're so special. Even these basic problems are impossible and you're not an idiot.

>>719117938
NTA but can you gimme a (You) instead
Been craving a (You) all day

>>719117783
Why?

>>719117783
No, because you are wasting the same amount of time to build shit, but you are not wasting time waiting for it to arrive.

>>719118023
nta but i got (you) bwo its rough out here

>>719117939
>warhammer 40k

>World somehow united under one banner
>Multiple planets united under one banner

>>719118110
Thanks senpai, here's a (You) back

>>719116095
Grim

>>719108768 (OP)
>super advanced progenitor civilization
I hate that shit

>>719118179
>Super advanced progenitors were humans all along!

>>719118134
>>World somehow united under one banner
this is probably the most unrealistic one, but I get it's for convenience

>>719117939
Sounds like Brigador if you don't mine becoming a head in a jar.

>>719118095
it's a lot easier to interrupt a nuke being built on the planet, it's something a relatively low tech opponent can do
much harder to interrupt the asteroid being weaponized, significantly more difficult to interrupt and several thousand times more destructive than the nuke

>>719108768 (OP)
Any sci fi where instead of building space habitats they terraform planets. Which is basically all of it

>>719117381
No, if everything goes right the plasma will only impact the pusher plate.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_pulse_propulsion

>>719117938
>The lacking theory of mind would ensure that to be 100%
no anon, you see the reason you dont have theory of mind is because you assume other men think like you do, you dont actually understand them, you just project your own thoughts and feelings onto them. Thats why you draw a complete blank when it comes to women. If you actually could understand men then you would be able to understand women too. Running away from this thread wont change that you know this is true. Im not even sure you know the difference between sympathy and empathy.

>>719117961
how are you approaching that rock without being detected in the first place?
how are you avoiding being detected if detection is from multiple angles

>>719108768 (OP)
why did they cast her this attractive? this character shouldn't be this attractive.
>CAPTCHA: VAGG00

>>719118134
>one multi-planet authority struggles to maintain more than nominal control
>in reality every planet has multiple nations and factions and cartels that war with each other
>it ends up being a big feudal system

>>719108768 (OP)
>>Ships have aerodynamic designs, even though there's no need for this in a vacuum
As it turns out what's aerodynamic is also usually what presents the smallest target while also fitting in space stations the best.
You could make a big fuckoff cube or a wide plate but the cube will be impossible to miss and the plate would require a vertical dock for a station. So the best design ultimately just ends up looking like a line. And if you're looking like a line already you might as well add slopes because it reduces the profile, uses less material, and might possibly deflect or lessen an impact.

>>719118071
less complex, more destructive, harder to stop

>>719117961
NTA but apparently stealth is space is not possible. No fun allowed. But you can have legit stealth by limitations of sensors. I think stealth ships in expanse were like that. Or by having some fancy cooling material/liquid (bonus for heatsinks without radiators and flares).

>>719112752
>as for 'ftl' in a fictional setting i dont necessarily oppose the idea but i dont like how you'd ignore the implications of it. FTL guarantees reverse-causality. a ship that receives a radio signal in such a scifi universe should be able to travel to the sending ship and arrive before the sending ship sends the signal. since most books,tv shows... almost exclusively deal with direct linear causality i dont see how you could even film/show/convey to the viewer what FTL would cause.
That's an implication of physics that no one has day-to-day, intuitive experience with. In classical Newtonian physics (i.e. a very good approximation for our everyday experience) I don't think FTL proves any special problem. Therefore, it doesn't violate verisimilitude for the audience.
Think about it like this: you're not asking the audience to accept our universe with FTL added, you're asking them to accept our universe with special relativity removed and, therefore, FTL permitted by default. If you want to reach an absurdity from that premise, you probably need to show how light would work differently in that universe or something like that, but I still don't see it being a big barrier for a typical audience.

>>719118498
aside from a sphere, a cube would be hardest to detect given equivalent mass because it's very efficient use of space

>>719108768 (OP)
Aerodynamic designs just look sexier.

>>719118394
You're just adding random factors now.

>how do you see me approach in the first place when your faction is completely blind and never invented any technology?

>how are you seeing from every angle when you're already dead from hokuto shinken?

>>719118354
learn to speak for yourself anon. Or are you too autistic?

>FTL
cool
>shields
neat
>artificial gravity
great
>credits
nice
>ancient alien superciv
awesome
>"human women but blue" aliens
unf

>>719108768 (OP)
>Ships have aerodynamic designs, even though there's no need for this in a vacuum
what about when they need to land on a planetary body with an atmosphere smoothbrain

>>719110091
Creativity isn't just making a shapeless hunk of shit because you can you jewish architect.

>>719118501
Why is a rock hard to stop for a power with interstellar travel figured out?

For me it's Scirocco

>superweapon that is 100% possible to make with our current understanding of physics
>stronger than 99% of scifi superweapons, capable of melting the surface of a planet from a hundred lightyears away
>looks pretty badass

more games should use it

>>719108768 (OP)
Aerodynamics in spaceships make sense if they need to enter/leave the atmosphere, even if only for a drive-by.

>>719108768 (OP)
Hard sci fi fags are one of most obnoxious types in sci fi and fantasy fandoms

>game has a cool masked/helmeted character
>the instant they remove the helmet/mask, they get a complete costume change and never wear a helmet/mask ever again

>>719118729
because your opponents will only figure out what you're doing when the rock starts moving, and at that point it's already fairly difficult to stop
meanwhile building a nuke on their planet requires landing the nanites on their planet and start construction on their planet

>>719113182
Ey, it's not his fault he's in a cargo cult

I like how Red Rising jumps straight into all of the dumb fun sci fi tropes.

>>719118723
They land like a rocket from SpaceX videos. Ships build like a skyscraper instead of boat. It's to create gravity.

>>719118667
"you actually have to reach your hiding spot to hide in it" is not a random factor, it's the basic most requirement for an effective hiding location
it's like asking why the Japanese didn't hide an army in the woods of upstate new york during WW2 to strike completely undetected at one of america's most important cities

also detection from multiple angles is in fact a significant issue because otherwise you're assuming that every single ship in a hostile fleet bunches up to within miles of each other and never once sends out scout probes

>FTL bad
>while posting Expanse image

>>719117012
isnt it only great for 2 books so the half of season 3 and then everyone agreed the show got cancelled?

Sci-fi fans are on an odd spectrum where the low-brow fans enjoy slop like Star Wars while the high-brow fans think a novel that reads like a college essay is entertaining.

>>719118751
Not a fan of that guy

>>719118753
Man possible SF NO FUN ALLOWED weapons are so unfun.
>*kills all your crew instantly*

>>719119208
>Star Wars
Not sci-fi

>>719119093
>Expanse
how's the books? i hunger for a bit of scifi

>>719108768 (OP)
People who attempt to nitpick "realism", (Especially when it's speculative-realism), with theoretical locations in general.

>>719119231
Solos Kamille.

>>719108768 (OP)
>Faster than light travel
Do you hate every story that leaves the solar system then?

>>719111723
If you could accelerate at 1g the whole time, you could get from earth to uranus in less than two weeks, which is less time than it takes for a container ship to cross the pacific

>>719118753
The greatest scifi weapon will always be "just throw a big chunk of shit at it".

>>719119249
on the other hand it is fairly hilarious that a K2 civilization which only controls like 10 or so star systems within a 5LY bubble could easily fend off just about any scifi armada without breaking physics once

>>719119545
lasers work too if big enough, big enough here being an entire star turned into a laser
which is something that seems outlandishly stupid but is genuinely pretty friggin' easy to do

>>719108768 (OP)
sexo with drummer drummer sexo sexo sexo sexo
she and that psycho asian lady are the most sexo

>>719119639
>but is genuinely pretty friggin' easy to do
Oh yeah? Why dont you do it then?

>>719115908
Space whales

My setting justifies it in that you want to present as small of a profile to enemy heavy weapons as possible. Thus most ships are designed and built like towers or needles that can change angle of impact readily.

>>719110339
But we do. It will be unmanned vehicle swarms. Both aerial and naval. And some missiles thrown into the mix as well I guess.

>>719119747
i like a challenge

I never finished the tv show, I stopped at the season where the poojeet pilot died because his actor was a rapist or something. Was the final season any good?
Also Amos the best

>>719112154
What is this? Not really an anime dude but I love some Macross-level absurdly large space battles

>>719119548
In Three Body Problem entire universe is in never ending war (dark forest idea) because any advanced civ can destroy your planet or Sun at any time and you have only one way to defend yourself slow down the speed of light around your star and trap your entire race in pretty much "black hole" they can never escape because FTL doesn't exist

>>719119996
it was a harui episode

reminder that he did literally NOTHING wrong

>>719112154
What anime is that?

>>719120057
he should've killed more belters

>small hole in the hull
>everyone has to hold on like it's a wind tunnel
I don't get it

>>719108768 (OP)
>lust provoking forehead
>irrelevant, time wasting greentext

>>719120046
dark forest idea doesn't really work though, because using your planet destroyer reveals your position which causes other civilizations to destroy you which in turn reveals their position

which means it's never worth using your planet destroyer even if someone else reveals themselves

>>719112154
>People can't recognize one of the most beloved anime on /a/
Newfag central around here

>Any massive war with shitload of personeel and casualties on any side
Cool, very nice. Might I see the population, birth rates and death rates of the [insert space empire here]? Surely it won't plummet due to the better tech, increased retirement age to absurd, better living conditions etc

>>719118554
the one thing i cant forgive any scifi setting is not thinking ahead even 1 step as to the implications of the technologies or fictional-science (like FTL) theyre proposing. its like neuromancer having cyberspace,AIs,luxury space resorts and digitized human psyches but still having pay-phones or the expanse having anti-cancer nanotech, magnetic fusion rockets but them still using smartphones and having less brain-machine-interfaces than we do in 2025. bad scifi is usually that being unimaginative and taking some fictional premise but refusing to explore it's implications beyond 'its a magical thing that goes so fast that humans can go to other star systems in one lifetime'.

thats why i dont like FTL in scifi it either ignores all the implications of FTL or you get a mess like interstellar where falling into a black hole sends you to your home on earth in the past.

>>719110339
>The future might be surprising.
this depends on whether major physics breakthroughs are possible. generally, as technology improves, so does the attacker advantage. when you start punching someone else, that person can still defend himself and possibly win. when you pull out a gun and shoot him, its over. an other example is nukes. there is no effective defense against them so the best you can do is MAD. attack is already so much better than defense that the best defense is to attack back before you are dead, hoping both of you die

space warfare with tech that is guaranteed possible will be low density stealth drone fields, millions spread across light hours of space, split into sensors that detect, and weapons that attack anything detected. other obvious weapons are directed energy weapons like lasers and particle beams, and accelerator "shotguns" shooting hundreds of smart projectiles that can destroy any spaceship on impact, are designed to be difficult to detect and withstand defensive lasers, and have sensors and engines for corrective maneuvers to hit targets that are out of range for directed energy weapons. for "easy to hit" targets like planets, you can just redirect millions of asteroids and comets, or accelerate a small mass close to the speed of light to make defense impossible. but as always wars are won by manufacturing capability. so expect trillions of sensors, projectiles, and weapons to just float around

but big breakthroughs could change everything. for example what if it becomes easy to decompose matter at distance? no need for nukes, just fire a beam or whatever at you and your body explodes as if it was the nuke

>>719119972
No, I mean it's okay I guess, it was on a steady downward trend in quality pretty much the whole time it was airing
I liked it enough to watch it, but there's some shit that doesn't get tied up because it got cancelled, and Alex being gone did fuck up the interpersonal dynamics of the ship a bit

>>719119323
I didn't read myself but I heard that they are good. Show (at least early seasons) is both worse and better than books

>>719119542
>just have infinite fuel
Oh okay. Thank you, Jesus. You have saved us from our own stupidity.

>>719120189
They shoot little projectile close to the speed of light into your sun. In book as I remember reaching speed of light technology is the turning point for any race. Either you kill everything you see and hide your homeworld location or just wave a white flag and cuck yourself

>>719120546
>>719119972
I really liked Alex but of course the actor had to be a fucking BOBS VAGENE jeet creepy motherfucker

>>719120062
Tenchi Muyou

>>719120552
if we lifted our ban on nuclear weapons in space we could make a ship capable of doing a constant acceleration at 1g trip to mars and back using an orion drive

>>719119996
>>719120062
legend of the galactic heroes. enjoy it.
>>719120269
refusing to divulge so as to gatekeep is a pitiful display

>>719109838
This anon respects the prime directive.

>>719118705
of all the shit that's wrong with some scifi universes that one actually makes sense. the real reason they made all the aliens humans with makeup in trek is because it's easier/cheaper than making truly alien species but in-universe the explanation is they were all intentionally seeded by a single ancient race so humans,klingons,vulcans are all technically related. i think if we for example find life on some nearby star system IRL there's like 99% chance that we're related to it and either it arrived there via panspermia or both earth life and life there come from some third star system.

'blue women' aliens are a lot more grounded and logical than say ftl

>>719120552
You don't need infinite fuel, just enough to run whatever variety is nuclear reactor you're using for a few weeks at a time

>>719120603
yeh but like, if you can do that why bother waiting until someone reaches lightspeed tech to do so and possibly expose yourself to a counterattack from that same species

why didn't the first culture to reach the point where they were capable of producing it and willing to produce it not just shoot a projectile at every single star with a life-sustaining planet around it

it's not like pre-sapient life is making any effort to hide itself

>>719118984
Wouldn't this only have gravity when it was accelerating and decelerating?

>>719117828
Just like my Evangelions!

>>719120913
Yes. The main conceit of the franchise is that someone discovered a hyper efficient fusion drive system that allows essentially, for constant acceleration.

>>719120552
they dont have infinite fuel in the expanse fusion rockets are just very energy-dense and fuel is plentiful

>>719120769
the issue with the prime directive is simple: it requires every single person in your trillion+ population empire to stick to the prime directive religiously
all it takes is a couple of people hijacking a ship and landing it on a primitive world spreading tech around

threats of death aren't even going to work because while the number of people willing to sacrifice themselves to bring advanced medicine to a planet suffering from a pandemic might be small, it's larger than 0

and at that point what do you do, nuke the area around the landing and sterilize it completely? at that point you've also broken the prime directive but did so to keep people down, which in turn would see anyone with a functional moral compass in your empire call out your hypocrisy

>>719120913
Yeah, they have magic fusion reactor technology that's hyper efficient, so they can run all their ships engines the whole time, they can do half the trip accelerating and half decelerating, which incidentally cuts down travel time in the solar system to quite reasonable times

>>719121040
Oh, okay, in that context that makes more sense than spinning to win. How's the actual story of the novels? Is it decent on it's own or is it mostly reliant on sci-fi wank?

>>719121052
so you obviously havent watched much Star Trek, why bother writing all of that out just to make yourself look retarded? literally everything you stated is addressed in Next Gen

>>719121239
stargate>battlestar galactica>star trek>star wars

>sci-fi game
>"aliens," if there even are any, are either humans with tumors and skin cancer or incoherent eldritch abominations meant for human mockery/destruction

>>719120812
>>719120729
>10000km/s max speed
>can only accelerate for 10 days
>no return trip
>has to be assembled in space because it doesn't have the energy to take off itself

>>719121047
The problem is turning that energy into thrust anon. You can harvest infinite energy from the sun in space, but travelling anywhere reliably is still the problem.
Creating explosions with your 2kg of thorium isn't going to help anyone.
That's not an engine, it's a rocket.

>>719121238
Story is alright, thought there's a number of changes made in the show that, frankly, I like better. The writers for the book (and show) are very, very into making sure that what they have down is scientifically correct, or at the very least plausible by our current understanding of physics. Some changes in the show are made for the sake of showing stuff on screen (like ships being a lot closer than they should be) but that's stuff I'm willing to work with.
I really like the first few story arcs, but once the bigger stuff starts happening it kind of lost me.

>>719121239
it's addressed poorly and never once is given proper justification as to why the entire federation just goes along with it
they give explanations and have in universe everyone agree with it, but looking from the outside you can clearly see how hollow those justifications are

seriously all it takes is one singular rogue starfleet captain to spread technology to a planet
not even just starfleet a singular rogue captain of a ship of ANY of the factions

BELTALOWDA WHERE WE AT

>>719121396
>has to be assembled in space because it doesn't have the energy to take off itself
this is zero problem
and you can easily upscale it to be capable of lasting far longer than that

Really gets the noggin' nogging

>>719121350
>more creative aliens exist in the game
>but they will never appear in combat because it would take too much extra work rigging their movement compared to just binding motion to the default human skeleton
>even when they appear outside of combat, they will be mostly stationary for the same reason

>>719121440
>as to why the entire federation just goes along with it
Because Space Fed will prosecute you if you do it without explaining yourself? And people still do it for personal reasons and it becomes a source of drama in various episodes.

>>719112843
Squealer did nothing wrong

>>719121440
>a singular rogue captain of a ship of ANY of the factions
You can just say Ferengi you know.

>>719108768 (OP)
counterpoint: ships should look cool
NASApunk is the gayest shit imaginable

>>719121568
>Because Space Fed will prosecute you if you do it without explaining yourself?
The captain is the sort to do it then willingly turn himself in for prosecution believing himself to be entirely morally justified in what he did

"just make it illegal" doesn't even work for stuff like murder rape or theft, what makes you think it would work for humanitarian aid?

>>719121620
Not even that, what if a species gets warp drives finds out that not only are there other aliens but those aliens knew about them, and actively chose not to help them out with the red death that wiped out 99% of their population and brought them to near extinction 5000 years ago
So they say as a species "fuck you and your non-interference policies" and start sending out automated drones to every single primitive planet in the galaxy to uplift them

What does the federation do now, are they willing to go to war with this planet, are they willing to bomb this planet into the ground in order to prevent their uplifting drones from being sent out, put their people under permanent occupation?

Is the federation public going to agree with keeping an entire species permanently imprisoned?
These are the sort of things Star Trek refuses to acknowledge because the prime directive exists for one reason and one reason only: to allow primitive worlds to exist so the show can have their planet of hats episodes

>>719120863
>it not just shoot a projectile at every single star with a life-sustaining planet around it
It's pretty much what some do. If aliens detect any signals they immideadly shoot. Doesn't matter if it takes 40 years for projectile to reach a star. In the last book they show POV of 3rd party advanced civilization ship. They called it cleaning and the operator who destroys stars is bottom rank literal space janny.

>>719121573
counterpoint: he lost the war, got turned into sentient goo

>>719121972
You could still have episodes with primitive worlds without a prime directive. Just have them be newly discovered.

>>719121972
You want to legalize murder, rape and theft? You're complaining about a law in the setting because people might have a reason to break it as if that's not a regular plot point for multiple episodes.

In instances where the Federation lets civilizations or planets die out because of it, yes that's retarded and most fans agree with that, but in regards to not interfering with the overall development of a species it's a pretty logical principle to follow given history.

>>719108768 (OP)
Killing off characters because of their actors

>>719122035
thing is, why hasn't every single world already been destroyed then?
earth for example has been at minimum broadcasting clear signs of complex life for over 500 million years and atmospheric signs of an active biosphere for several billion

like for any of this to make sense you need to assume that every species in the galaxy reached sapience within like 10k years of each other which is just patently absurd

>>719121396
no shit epstein drive is sci fi anon, the amounts of thrust dont add up with any tech we know to be possible.

i think the closest thing to epstein (in the sense of having both high thrust and high efficiency) we'll have IRL in the foreseeable future would be salt water rockets.

>>719122191
no I'm not saying they should be legalized, I'm saying that making something illegal doesn't stop people from doing it, especially not if the thing that's illegal is also morally justifiable

I'm not complaining about the law, I'm complaining that somehow nobody has gone rogue and just broke that law, which is flat out absurd
And I'm complaining it's never been shown to what level the Federation is truly willing to go to prevent the law from being broken

Put it like this, if tomorrow it was made illegal to provide medical aid to people above 80 years old in an effort to counter the rising cost of healthcare, would that stop 100% of the doctors from doing so?

>>719122213
The Expanse was ass but man this actor was treated bad from the getgo and the minute he could be "#metoo'd" they did not hold back

>>719122228
Because humans are the only intelligent life that has ever existed in the universe.

>>719122457
if that's true then the dark forest wouldn't exist
dark forest is also an incredibly dumb analogy for the universe
the universe isn't a dark forest in which monsters can hide, it's a wide open well lit plain

>>719122428
>somehow nobody has gone rogue and just broke that law,
Anon this happens multiple times. Main characters and other Federation Captains of the series skirt the line or straight up violate it regularly.

If "helping" those 80 year olds carried a significant risk of wiping out entire retirement communities, yes the amount of doctors willing to risk it just to help a handful of geriatrics would be relatively small.

>>719115876
there is no such thing as FTL

in fact lightspeed is a s𐐬yence term, we really should say the maximum speed

like when a cup of water gets full, it can't get more full after the top

>>719116452
>expand out time scales where the story moves thousands of years each chapter so light speed limits doesn't feel slow

>>719122686
so you're saying that the Federation is willing to wipe out entire population groups, possibly the majority of a sapient species if they find out they've been enlightened before their time?
And everyone in the federation just goes along with it?
Because that's what you're suggesting here that's happening

If that's true then the Federation is evil on a level that would make 40k blush

>>719117012
>The show and the books are 1:1 story
LOL

>>719120165
so a spaceship is generalized pressurized with oxygen so we can breath, pretty much to the same psi we have on earth. when you blow a hole in the ship, air rushes out to the less pressurized area of space at such a force that it pulls things with it. think of a windstorm on earth, how high speed winds just push things around. depending on the size of the hole, and the area of space and pressure inside the ship will dictate how much force is applied when the oxygen escapes.

>>719122228
>thing is, why hasn't every single world already been destroyed then?
The real observable Universe is very very big tho. Speed of light is nothing if you look how big at is. But if we follow the lore on the book further (it's only cool background you read in like last chapters) the universe was even bigger, the speed of light was infinite and the current observable universe and "constant" are the results of never ending wars between K3 gods.

>>719112752
Why? A sends B a message. It takes 1 time unit. B gets the message, meaning 1 unit passed. B travels to A. Is ftl traveling back in time/space?

>>719112927
All the scifi is boring af. As you say, the modern stuff that we have now is never subject in scifi.

>>719122984
>The real observable Universe is very very big tho
sure but wouldn't that mean that several species out there have you know, colonized entire galaxies because they never assumed the dark forest to be real and were proven right because they were the only sapient species in their galaxy and colonized it in like a few million years (possible to do without FTL by the way)

>>719108768 (OP)
>kill off the only interesting character in your show in the first season
>everyone stops caring

Many such cases.

>>719111881
Childhood's End, one of the most famous pieces of "hard" sci-fi literature, revolves around psionics.
People cope way too hard trying to justify why they don't like thing. You can just not like it.

>>719109052
Why did we get an Expanse game but no Altered Carbon game

>>719122842
>so you're saying that the Federation is willing to wipe out entire population groups
Are you being obtuse on purpose?

>>719116115
>>719115908
Play Godlike Burger.

Its sweenytodds space diner-dash where the only way to get meat for the burgs is stealth killing customers.
As far as how wacky the ayys get examples include.
>Race of immortal Robots emulating the one dog left alive after earth got obliterated
>Race of bombermen who detonate when angry
>tiny Ayylmaos stealing your food to make their own shitty chumbucket
>Rats so trashy they enjoy cannibalism
>Corn """"people"""" who are almost always vegetarian freeloaders/window shoppers

>>719122083
Yeah but he couldn't have predicted that

>>719122596
>dark forest is also an incredibly dumb analogy for the universe
>the universe isn't a dark forest in which monsters can hide, it's a wide open well lit plain
Why? Are you sure all signals we sent into space were even noticed? Or that we can actually see shit that matters? We can be totally delusional. Or there is just no life in our cluster and that's it.

>>719123120
I still don't know how they managed to make a legitimately well-written, super interesting, relatively grounded sci-fi show like The Expanse

And then just turn it into another 'womyn stronk, racism bad, protag is a liberal white guy' like everything else.
What a waste.

>>719123305
Could be worse.
Could be Altered Carbon.
The shark jump from season 1 to 2 was whiplash inducing.

>>719123231
>Are you sure all signals we sent into space were even noticed?
We've been broadcasting "OUR ATMOSPHERE CONTAINS LEVELS OF OXYGEN ONLY EXPLAINABLE BY LIFE" non-stop for 2.5 billion years which can be picked up through basic spectroscopy of anyone advanced enough to detect our planet
we'll be able to do that to planets in a 500ly bubble in a century, maybe 2

What classes does this expanse world have? Is there even a ttrpg?

>>719123305
Have you been under a rock? Women executives and writers ruining shows with very strong first seasons been the ongoing trend for the majority of media for the past decade now.

>>719123305
Amazon. Simple as. It's no coincidence that season 1-3 were great, and then 4 (when amazon acquired it) was meh but held together by good acting by the fookin legend guy, and then it just became fucking retarded from then on out.

>>719123403
it's a book/tv show, anon

>>719123208
he bet everything on one card and lost. no plan b. very stupid thing to do. that doomed the real human race into even deeper servitude than before. no way to unfuck this shit, forever

>>719123442
Videogame is incoming afaik

>>719123203
no that's what I'm saying, the only way the prime directive can be maintained is if the federation is willing to wipe out all traces of technological contamination caused by a single rogue ship going around and leaving uplifting care packages to dozens upon dozens of worlds

>but that's illegal

captain doesn't care it's illegal, he's on a mission

>>719123087
It's technically possible for sure. Lucky spawn. But will their civilization to witness the heat death of the universe without making contact with other civilization?

>>719109274
Mass Effect made me really hate that.
First game kind of did the different races right but by the third it was just humanity shilling to an unbearable degree.

>>719123192
Probably because the Altered Carbon TV adaptation was a trash fire

>>719123541
it's not a lucky spawn, a 10 million year headstart on other sapient life is ridiculously short considering the age of the universe
earth had the "boring billion" a billion year long period in which life barely evolved, if another world instead of the boring billion had the boring 990 million, it would have colonized the entire galaxy before we had fire

and well, the minute they colonize their entire galaxy they have a galaxy spanning civilization as opposed to you being bound to a single star system because you feared the dark forest, you can't hurt them in any way because they're simply too large and will figure out quickly enough it's you who's blown up 10 out of their 400 billion stars and just send a fleet over to have you knock that shit out

>>719123387
500ly bubble? That's ToT size YOU SICK FUCK

Only Inner ships in this thread.

>>719123192
Because they pozzed season 2, everyone hated it, and it was cancelled.
That's why.

Expanse at least lasted a couple of seasons before it got completely pozzed.

>>719123305
Who's "they"? It's written by one guy. I tried reading the next book after the show ended and it was all about thwarting "le evil fascist dictator" on one of the newly colonized worlds. Either way who cares Red Rising is kino enough to make up for most other modern sci-fi falling short

>>719123207
I will listen to anything an image of miyabi says!

>>719123495
There really isn't much room for a plan B when you're fighting against an entire race who can think you out of existence whenever they want and definitively will as soon as they find out you have a plan A.

>>719123535
>the federation is willing to wipe out all traces of technological contamination
Are you under the impression the Federation wipes out species that are accidently or purposefully uplifted? You're taking a law that in place because "Doing this is generally a bad idea and we should avoid it" and for some reason you think it's a religious dogma the Federation is blowing up planets over?

>>719123773
that's what we can do in a century, in a thousand years we'll have expanded that to most of our local environment, in 10k most of the galaxy

all things considered super short timespans, it's just not possible to retroactively hide your planet and it's been sending out life signals far longer than you've been a civilization
so whichever civilization in the galaxy has been watching you for the past 100 million years or so has chosen not to blow up your planet, which makes it fairly unreasonable they'd wait until you're capable of hurting them before they blow it up, blowing up a planet without sapient life is after all, less of a moral issue

>>719123907
if it's not a religious dogma they're willing to blow up planets for then the prime directive wouldn't work because again, all it takes is a single captain of a single ship of any faction in the entire universe to go on a mass uplifting campaign and destroy the prime directive permanently

>>719115345
if you can get enough shit into the black that you are even able to build fleets, then warfare is no longer relevant or even practical.

>>719123768
>will figure out quickly enough it's you who's blown up 10 out of their 400 billion stars and just send a fleet over to have you knock that shit out
Big boys use different weapons tho they fuck with physical laws.

>>719122937
every time it happens it looks silly af

>>719124003
No? Because a Federation scientist observing that species would warn the Federation and they would stop that ship.

>>719108768 (OP)
>Ships have aerodynamic designs, even though there's no need for this in a vacuum
momentum from existing designs + it can help on atmospheric entry. i like seeing a mix of both types personally.

>>719123862
they were mostly left alone before and would have been for much longer. i admit the kid was too much of an advandtage to not use it. at least build a kill switch nuke under the village before going all out, you dumb rats.

>>719124042
I mean, they're a galaxy spanning civilization, possibly multiple galaxy spanning civilization
by the time they contact anyone else they are one of the big boys

also another point against the dark forest is that well, if there is a virtually omniponent entity out there blowing up planets that try to colonize outside of their star system, why wouldn't it you know, tell everyone it's doing that, instead of leaving it up for assumption

>>719108768 (OP)
Humans being the only race that matters in fantasy or sci-fi settings with different intelligent race.
There is nothing more boring than having a fantasy game just for your companions to be 5 humans, 1 elf. 1 dwarf. 1 golem and a dog.

>>719123850
>It's written by one guy
Two guys, actually.

>>719124113
warp travel isn't fast enough for that, in the time it takes the federation to send a response fleet they've already spread their knowledge all over the planet
the captain also refuses to stand down even if faces with a response fleet and just prepares to warp out, is the Federation going to be willing to blow up the ship?

>>719122213
Probably should have just recast him desu

Sci-fi vidya is too human centric or just flat out HFY

>>719120745
>complaining about Gatekeeping
Oh please, we all know how this song and dance goes. The less these "people" know about the things you like, the better. The site's quality dropped massively when the userbase stopped enforcing
>lurk moar
if you can't even reverse search or just Google something as easy to find as one of the most popular anime, you shouldn't have the pleasure of watching it. Much less, I should have the dissatisfaction of seeing their posts about it. It's like inviting pigs into your home and then wondering why there's mud on the floor.

>>719124579
sci-fi in general it seems

>>719108768 (OP)
>Ships travelling at absurd speed
>People are not immediately getting crushed to death due to the high speed
Forever War space travel ruined sci-fi for me, can't get the effect of acceleration out of my mind whenever I'm ready some novel set in the future.

>>719124207
I think giga civilization would able to discover existence of dark forest without direct contact by observing results of spontaneous destruction and weird phenomena around the universe. Similar to how we can theorize about black holes.

>>719124908
if you accelerate at a tolerable rate to that absurd speed, the speed itself doesn't matter though

>>719125026
yeh but giga civilization has no incentive to buy into the dark forest, they're already too large for it, they know they'd be an instant target no matter what, but they can by now also set up colonies around just about any source of energy, they don't need planets anymore any star can be a new home star so anyone trying to dark forest them would have to destroy the entire galaxy they're in

they could genuinely just decide that rather than a feeble attempt at retreating they're going to focus all their 400 million stars worth of population on researching countermeasures as well as send out colonization ships to every single galaxy they can in the hopes of hitting one without native intelligence and just outpace the destruction they can no longer avoid until such time they find a way to defend themselves

alternatively they could now go on the offensive, use their massive galaxy spanning civilization to create a ridiculous number of automated ships they send to every single potentially life-bearing planet in every galaxy they can find, with as purpose to invade any civilization they find and prevent them from dark-forresting their neighbors

>>719116374
Causality is an unproven axiom.

>>719124908
In this case you experience acceleration, not velocity. If your acceleration is just the speed of the pull of gravity that you are used to you won't experience any kind of feeling (other than a lack of weightlessness) while moving.

>>719116069
>>719116146
Rule of cool.

Idk but I need more catgirl ayyz
too much "humanity fuck yeah" sci-fi shitty shit

>>719111719
Not really. The average distance between neighboring stars in the milky way is ~5ly.
If you use a nuclear pulse propulsion/orion drive, or have a fusion drive you can cover the distance in two decades.
If you can get to your nearest star, build large solar collectors that run M/LASERS you can shuttle light craft between the two stars even faster.
Its not warp speed where you're there instantly, but its not hundreds of years of travel time.
Stephen Batxter's Manifold: Time has magic space gates that shred you at an atomic level, and are entangled at the other end, so a perfect replica of you walks out the other side, subjectively instantly for the person doing it, but the data still has to transmit at the speed of light, so for everyone else there would be a normal time lag.
Hyperion had something similar with their FTL drive. Subjectively the trips were short, but when you translate back into real space time has passed for the rest of the universe as if you traveled the distance at light speed.

>>719125981
also well there's an alternative solution to distances being huge
longevity
500 years travel time is inconceivable to us, but to someone who just celebrated their 10.000th birthday, it's merely annoying

>>719122993
time dilation, the order in which you perceive events depends on your velocity compared to them. someone going in one direction can see A happen and then B happen. someone going in the other direction can see the order reversed.

now this only applies to two events that have a 'spacelike interval' meaning light doesnt have enough time to travel from one event and arrive before the other one happens (think two lightbulbs that turn on 1 hour apart but are 1 lightyear away from eachother, no light from one can reach the other before it turns on). any events happen on a 'timelike interval' (the distance between events is such that light has time to reach from one to the other before it occurs. like two lightbulbs turning on 1 year apart but 1 lighthour away) will always happen in the same order regardless of time dilation.

timelike = there's a hypothetical observer that sees the two events happen in the same place but on different times,order of events is constant
spacelike = there's a hypothetical observer that sees the two events happen in the same time but in different places. order can be reversed

the speed of light is the exact border between the two. if you move slower than light you move along 'timelike curves' if you move faster than light you move along 'spacelike curves'. for example if you have a spaceship flying from star A to star B in constant-speed FTL then depending on your speed relative to the ship you will see it:
>arrive at B before you see it leave A
>leave A and then arrive at B
>the exact border between the two, where you see the ship leave A, flying at every point between A and B and arriving at B at the same time

>>719124531
Its odd because they recast Avasarala's husband
But killed off a major character that was still alive in the books

>>719120298
>easy, but hard to present to normies unless it's the evil faction
women don't have any rights, and this is actually a plot point where the evil faction laughs at the others because they get Napoleon'd numerically
>medium explanation, but was done before
clones
"that's a nice pro-nature arguement, lemme send a 10th commando squad in 5 days to hear it"
>hard explanation
artificial wombs
women get all the "rights" they wanted, but men still empty their balls in sexbots. During peacetime / away from the front it's kinda expensive, but free for troopers.

This also adds a plot-point where "bot-born" ones need to "earn" citizenship via military service, have an unspoken 2nd class citizenship status, and they feel the unfairness of having to earn what the natural-born get for free.
>why don't they just rebel
because their whole faction is almost universally disliked by their neighbours, and they are aware a civil war would be quickly capitalized and exploited by the enemies.
There are small pockets of defectors, as well as those who get "natural' status.

I'd go on but idk if I'll get even a single (you) so this is all for now

>>719114679
get a load of this frelling farbot

>>719108768 (OP)
>psionics

To be fair old Pulp Fantasy and Pulp Science Fiction were barely distinguishable in some cases, crossing over constantly. You'd be as likely to come across Xog the Serpent Man Sorcerer with mesmerizing mind powers he uses to enslave the heroes hot babe in the Fantasy and the Science Fiction novel.

Not always. Just enough that it was common.

Mixing Fantasy and Science Fiction is fine, so is pure Science Fiction or Pure Fantasy. All are allowed.

>>719124531
>>719122213
It's not that big a deal. Alex is not very important in the books and his story just goes in circles with him wanting to see his family and them not wanting to see him. He took the death of Fred Johnson from the books. Fred dies of a stroke in the same way. If anything, it fires chekov's gun since they constantly talk about the threat of people dying from prolonged hard acceleration yet no one does until Alex.

>>719122937
In reality though, a hole in the ship big enough for a person to be sucked out of is big enough to empty a jumbo jet sized spacecraft of atmosphere entirely in around a tenth of a second.

>>719109274
>fantasy setting
It's hardly ever just humans in the first place, so this a moot complaint. The pure human settings are a rarity.

>science fiction
This has been a thing since.... what, Firefly? Because they decided it was cheaper I guess? No excuse in games obviously. But ever since firefly the humans humans and more humans in scifi thing has been fairly common (and using normal guns instead of scifi guns).

But it used to be pretty common to have aliens all over. Star Wars, Star Trek, hell, Farscape? I think Farscape went crazy with its aliens.

Recently... I dunno. I think SGU was the last thing I remember that had aliens in it that were around somewhat often, and the show made the attempt to actually make them look somewhat alien this time but everyone seemed to hate SGU while it was airing... which, I think that's changed. I like SGU. Not perfect, but I like it. Nothings perfect.

There's a new game by the old Mass Effect devs coming out. Exodus. That looks impressive... maybe?

>>719109336
Outlaw Star, the ships actually had grapple arm fights. It was awesome, I don't care how stupid it is.

>>719126731
kek no. breathable air is not pressurized that much. It's only 14.7 psi.

The best parts of Expanse were them making scenes to actually show off grounded physics (though not perfectly accurate). Just something to be different from the generic star wars/trek slop. Plus the plausible future solar system setup and changed space faring human bodies. I love thinking about the idea of future humans only living in zero G, inside asteroids or stations only and the concept of living on a planet in a gravity well is completely foreign to them.

>>719108768 (OP)
I liked the way space travel was done in Chocky, where it was done through the mind because mind has no mass and therefore takes no time to travel.
Not as exciting as a lump of metal traveling but I thought it was quite cool.

>>719113632
whats this from?

>>719125338
I think I forgot to mention important part. The light engine is the source of speed distortion. The engine exhaust of the most advanced and dangerous civilizations is capable to decrease speed of light to 0 forever. And some gods are trying to prevent entropy death by attempting to reach negative speed. Also it hinted that mid tier civilizations still communicate witch each other in limited secretive anonymous style. Just to avoid getting indecently steamrolled by k1 gods. Maybe it's more beneficial to have nomadic life style in dark forest style universe.

>>719108768 (OP)
None of those are bad.

>>719118554
>light affects time and space
No.
Light is just the fastest thing we know about. Velocity affects time and space, which is still retarded.

>>719126934
That may not sound like a lot but the pressure does equalize violently and rapidly if there's a big enough opening.
https://asn.flightsafety.org/asndb/335561

>>719127129
it's already kinda funny to see astronauts that come home from months on the ISS just forget that cups don't float on earth and accidentally dropping one

>>719123780
Did literally nothing wrong

>>719109838
I despise the Star Ocean series for this exact reason. You have an amazing premise and the full potential for gallivanting across the stars in a Sci-Fi epic, but end up spending 90% of the game on some backwater shithole doing quests for the tribal natives

>>719116869
i wish this post was satire
please go talk to your mom

>>719127129
>(though not perfectly accurate)
What did they make wrong? Seems pretty on point. Though later amazon seasons make some too fancy space battles and you can notice different direction. Roci's spin2win scene was cool but the ship turn was TOO STRONG for the crew. The scene was 300% better and more intense in the book too.

BELTALODA

>>719127491
go talk to your dad
oh wait

>>719110339
>propel large metal rod in your direction at 98% the speed of light from 5,000,000 km away
Realistically speaking, what do you do about this?

>>719109336
I hate this gif more than anything in the universe. I'm not clicking on it.

>>719127503
All those maneuvers would have had Miller thrown at the wall long before they got near to docking. He wouldn't have been floating until they hooked on and instead strapped into a chair. Still a neat scene.

>>719127561
i have both :^)

>>719127141
I like the way it is done in Book of the New Sun

>>719113781
It requires infinite energy

>>719127562
EZ speed of light weapon world would have giga lasers too.

>>719125781
Ever watch Outaw Star, anon?

>>719116227
I like female protagonists, so yeah.

>>719127671
two dads? lucky you

>>719127562
really big shield

>>719127552
The place we go, is where we belong!

>anime kino soon
>>719113781
It allows time travel. The explanation is long but it is what it is. FTL fuck ups cause and effect basically.

>>719108768 (OP)
>Ships have aerodynamic designs, even though there's no need for this in a vacuum
>We want magic in our setting but uuuh let's just call it "psionics"
>Faster than light travel
I absolutely love all 3 of these things.

>>719127714
ikr? I get twice as many christmas presents

>>719123150
I would not consider Childhood's End to be in any way "Hard" Just because Arthur C Clarke wrote Hard scifi doesn't mean all his work is the same.

>>719127731
Unironically.
RKV proponents don't understand that anything hitting the RKV does damage to it. A heavy screen of dust will destroy it.
They also always neglect the energy and time taken to accelerate an RKV, the RKV itself is difficult to detect. Whatever accelerated it isn't. You can't move an object to that close to lightspeed instantly.

>>719116568
the motivation for making a woman protag for media thats mostly made for young men is pretty obvious and gay especially after 2008ish. I dont want to consume a product created by people I hate and who hate me because im not part of their californian social cult. They suck at making games and they suck at writing stories.

>>719127681
I've just started reading Shadow and Claw, someone had recommended it because I was looking for something that felt like Dark Souls lol

>>719122690
You are right and once you notice how all of this BS is just calculations, "what ifs", and assumption laid on top of assumption its really hard to take any of it seriously at all.

>>719127886
more aids can't hurt

>>719108768 (OP)
>Ships have aerodynamic designs, even though there's no need for this in a vacuum
Wouldn't they still need it when they launch and land? Most spaceships double as aircraft in sci-fi settings too.

>>719127906
Oh fuck you're right. I complete forgot that this is one of the reasons why interstellar space travel in most likely never ever. The space dust trash man. Unless we make real shields (see plasma window)

>>719127852
>>Ships have aerodynamic designs, even though there's no need for this in a vacuum
This one is legit.
If you've got a ship moving at very fast speeds, small shit hitting it is dangerous. An arrow shaped ship is going to deflect at least some of the energy of things hitting it, mitigating the danger. Relying completely on point defense lasers or the like is suicidal.

>>719127989
Only in children's scifi. That vast majority of interstellar ships in more intelligent scifi would never go into atmosphere.

>>719127936
It's closer to Elden Ring than Dark Souls if we really have to compare it to a Fromsoft game, although it isn't like those two themselves are dissimilar, so I guess in a roundabout way it is "like Dark Souls"
I've heard the anecdote before and honestly if it gets more people to read the series I really don't care

>>719127989
Check >>719126719
I think it's safer way to land too compared to space shuttle jet landing.

>>719108768 (OP)
>Ships have aerodynamic designs, even though there's no need for this in a vacuum
A lot of setting do tackle this issue though, mainly that having warships that can't operate in a normal atmosphere isn't very practical since it requires tugging along specialized landing ships. Another common point is that trading fire with planetary defenses is a dumb idea because a big ass gun that is mounted to the ground is always going to be beefier and better armored than a big-ass gun that needs to move and maintain many systems beyond aiming and shooting, so you're better off landing and tackling it from the ground.

ISV's don't have to be aerodynamic to come into atmosphere.

>>719128023
There are other solutions, but they're mostly about just putting a huge mass in front of you. Ice, rock etc. Ice is actually a pretty good solution, since it can be replenished and can act as propellant.
If your computer's reaction time is really good you could also just put a bajillion lasers on the front and vaporize dust.

Those solutions technically work for an RKV too, but both cause issues. Bigger mass means even longer to accelerate it. And its whole advantage is being hard to detect. The longer it stays in the acceleration phase the longer a civilization has to catch it. The laser solution is good, but every time you fire one, it necessarily decelerates the missile slightly, and of course it can be overwhelmed by the mentioned giant dust cloud or the like.

>>719112752
Could you explain how, while taking into account that a ship cannot recieve a light-based communication from fucking anything it's travelling away from?

>>719128259
>Avatar
>realistic interstellar hard SF ship

>>719127906
the thing is though, if the RKV is a dumb object, it doesn't matter if something deals damage to it
in fact a RKV that intentionally splinters itself into a relativistic particle cloud genuinely might be preferable to a solid object since it'll impart more energy into whatever it hits rather than just going clean through

so destroying the RKV does nothing to really stop it

>>719108768 (OP)
>ITT: Tropes you hate
humanity has achieved interstellar travel and niggers still exist

>>719128080
>Only in children's scifi.

>>719128259
They do if they want to actually fight in said atmosphere instead of simply relying on hopes and prayers to protect them from conventional aircraft.

>>719128339
while they messed it up in the sequel
in the original movie the space ship used was one of the most realistic ever put to film

I'm not sure if it was Cameron who did it or someone on his team was a hard scifi fan, but this ship was designed by someone who absolutely knew what they were doing

>>719128381
That's not a spaceship kek. It's an orbiter. Only fit to fly to orbit drop off/pick up a satellite, then back down.

>>719108768 (OP)
FTL is possible and aliens do exist.

screencap this

>>719127936
Demon Cycle is the closest fantasy I've read to Dark Souls.

>>719128346
The point of an RKV is that it destroys planets. Its threat is otherwise pretty minimal.
People point at RKVs as the method Dark Forest is enforced. But they don't work for that if they're not 100% effective. And a dumb missile broken up into dust, even traveling very fast, won't destroy or depopulate a planet. Force is MASS times acceleration. If the mass is minimal the force imparted is too.

>>719128305
>>719128259
>There are other solutions, but they're mostly about just putting a huge mass in front of you.
The idea behind this ship is to accelerate by beam, break with engines while shield protect your ship from dust shit.
But when you need to travel back do you need to turn for the beam? If yes, how does it break on the way back?

>>719128429
they did the ground tech well in the first movie well. felt like vehicles you could imagine yourself actually getting in and piloting.

>>719118725
kek

>>719128564
yeh and a particle cloud would be entirely perfect for it
while the dark forest theory is idiotic, a relativistic particle cloud is a pretty damn good planet-killing weapon since it imparts 100% of it's energy into the planet, not necessarily in the form of a big explosion but rather purely into heat melting the surface and boiling off the atmosphere
you don't need to blow up a planet after all, doing that is more than enough

also yes force is mass times acceleration, and the mass of a dust cloud formed out of a 1 ton projectile is still 1 ton, it has the same kinetic energy regardless of what form it's in

>>719115604
1977's star wars is a pretty much shot for shot ripoff of journey to the hidden fortress or whatever the F it was called, and mosquito squadron 616?

Down to the death star trench run AND dialogue being stolen entirely

>>719128674
also people point out that they were sort of janky and primitive and not really proper military material
but that also adds to the movie rather than detract for me at least
they weren't working with military material, it was a private corporation, they were working with repurposed industrial equipment capable of being weaponized purely with whatever they could fabricate on-site since sending weapons from earth would have been far too expensive

>>719128439
I can't help but shake the feeling, as someone who isn't a physicist, so its just a feeling with little understanding, that we've definitely messed up our understanding of physics on some level.
I didn't think so until we started getting basically weekly to monthly news that JWST is finding shit that completely violate our assumptions about the age of the universe, or at least how long certain things took to form or how old they can be.

>>719128718
>while the dark forest theory is idiotic
It's not and it's real.
t. knower

>nearly a whole thread about future studies that hasn't been shitposted by the space is fake retards
You love to see it

>>719108768 (OP)
>how dare you try to entertain me

>>719113781
People think it would cause Time Travel despite the fact that the past and future don't actively exist. Time is a human concept to explain differences in particle states.
Even if you were, in theory, able to alter the particle state the universe was in to a different state manufactured to resemble the past and change something, you wouldn't create a paradox because it's not retroactive.

>>719128797
i think they did that on purpose. i'm not sure if it's for that reason, but i'm absolutely sure they gave it that janky primitive but advanced look on purpose. it could be reasoning as simple as it made it look more down to earth.

>>719128804
https://zenodo.org/records/15569198

>>719128561
Thanks, will check this one out too

>>719109052
>I am optimistic for the Expanse game
the one where the entire trailer is just voice acting of two chicks yapping sarcastically (millennial writing)? I think it's optimistic to even talk about that as a "game", considering they evidently have no gameplay developed yet but are already advertising their politics and bad writing style.

>>719128937
the only thing I think was really dumb was the climax, there was absolutely no need for them to drop the weapons from the orbiter while in atmosphere, it would have been perfectly possible to just drop the payload from orbit

but that's a compromise that needed to be taken for the movie to be over

space is fake

reptilians ate my homework

>>719127514
that scene was so retarded , the maneuver described would take like dozens of weeks and yet somehow they show it like its happening in 15 minutes
another retarded scene is the earth vs mars scene where mars nukes an earth city their visualization of it makes seem like earth railgun-missiles travel at FTL speeds while marrs is over 3 lightminutes away

>>719128432
I'm just saying it's hard to dismiss the idea as nonsense when we've already tried it out super early on.

Perhaps later something similar will actually function as a shuttle back and forth to larger starships or bases but having some ship that is able to perform both in space and in atmosphere might not be crazy.

>>719128939
My preferred take is the earth is very near ground zero of a currently progressing false vacuum event.

>>719121534
alternative scenario: the cat aliens are also coomers and love being fetishized

>>719128804
plasma cosmology

>>719129164
I mean yeh obviously, but those larger starships wouldn't be aerodynamic
that said the space shuttle itself was a flying coffin, it was ridiculously unsafe

>>719129140
your post is why autists need to stay out of creative mediums

>>719108768 (OP)
aerodynamic designs can be explained all sorts of ways
>ships aren't just for space, they enter atmospheres
this is the big one, it applies to MOST sci fi ships.
>super fast travel through gases clouds in space
applicable to most settings because most sci fi involves approximately light speed travel.
>easier to shield or even just armor such a shape against debris
some caveats with this one because aerodynamic things can be pointy and fragile whereas a defensive shape will be rather round, or like a wedge with one "point" at the front end, like actual (water) ships.

>>719128797
Cameron came up with a bunch of convoluted plot shit just so he could have an excuse for why they NEEDED cool helicopters and hover-carriers on pandora.
Something about the planet fucks with anti-gravity tech, which is what they use on earth and most other planets, so the corporation just pulled some old shit out of mothballs.

>>719128893
Causality? I can't comprehend how I would perceive the world if causality wasn't real.

>>719129140
>scale of space travel is condense for tv show
>dipshit cries about it

It is not a scientific documentary. It is entertainment media. You are not a genius for noticing it is not accurate. Nobody will ever (ever) congratulate you for 'figuring it out', because there is nothing to figure out.

>>719129335
>bits literally floating, held by magnets or some shit
stupid design. even if it was possible it would still be stupid.

>>719110339
>We have 0 real-life eperience of what a modern naval war would look like with our current technology
Nah, definitely not 0. The Falklands came pretty close, and the British lost a few ships. It certainly showed us peer-to-peer air combat.

What it showed us is that any naval engagement will be decided by air power. It's essentially suicide for two ships to get within rocket range of each other, because their munitions will NOT miss and C-RAM is not reliable enough to not be killed.

would you a belter girl?

>>719129330
look, I agree with Cameron here, the world needs more cool helicopters and hover-carriers

>>719110709
My dad actually assembled a replica of that using an automatic M16 lower, and he was able to get tumbling bullets within about 5 yards of the muzzle. That's pretty damn close to how it's portrayed in the game.

>>719129140
>the maneuver described would take like dozens of weeks and yet somehow they show it like its happening in 15 minutes
What did you expect to happen in nuke scene? When they shoot railguns. Even if top speed of gigarail was 200 km/s it would take a lot time to hit them.

>>719129410
super-conducting magnets are cool you absolute faggot
an extremely underused and actually existing future-tech

>>719129337
the moons that are shown in the animation that are that small compared to the rocinante but would exert such strong gravity to allow those slingshots dont exist. the problem is i knew this before even looking it up it breaks immersion hard
>>719129282
a missile traveling over 2 AU in 10 seconds basically implies everything in >>719126074
including reverse-causality. this implies that in the expanse universe the missile could hit the target before being fired.

is tech would be more advanced then even the protomolecule-builders wormholes which i think does not violate causality because the two sides of each wormhole are always within a timelike curve of eachother

>>719129140
They hated him for standing up.

>>719128804
Pop sci is just a clickbait genre. The truth is that these were never serious understandings of the universe's natural laws, just random educated guesses made for thought experiments and the like. That's why these assumptions are broken literally every 5 minutes, they aren't based on anything, they're what ifs thrown out in the process of narrowing down possibilities when there's a lot of uncertainty.

The fact that pops I clickbait unironically mindpoisons midwits who don't know any better is genuinely dismaying.

>>719108768 (OP)
>Science Fiction
>but…with le steampunk!!!

>>719129659
there is no use case for a ship made of disconnected parts. it's just an unnecessary weak point and waste of energy.

>>719117012
Are you retarded? They totally character assassinated bobbie the martian marine and made her pants on head fucking retarded. Totally changes the story in order for her to be a bigger dumbe retard.

>because muh crayon eaters hurr durr durr

>>719109052
it's going to be the most broken game ever made

>>719129449
uhhh yea ofc

>>719129834
>there is no use case for a ship made of disconnected parts.
lmao go tell rocket engineers that and tell me how it goes

>>719129834
I suppose the argument for: "A sufficiently advanced technology is beyond the concern of weak points and can just do it to show off that they can without it being a weak point." It's not like we haven't done similar things in reality, because we can, not because it's the most sensible choice. Displays of power through architecture or whatever.

>>719129834
also i don't think you understand how powerful magnets of true scale actually are

>>719129962
I meant a fucking air gap between parts, while they are still moving together. don't be an obtuse faggot. you know bringing up rocket stages is not a valid counter example. you know there is no use case for this bullshit, you just like the aesthetics. admit that and we're good.

>>719108768 (OP)
>ships are designed to be cool
Ackchyually retard complains they shouldn't
>sci-FICTION has fiction
Ackchyually retard complain it should be realistic

>>719128718
an RKV getting turned into a dust cloud by hitting stuff on the way to the target will likely have already transferred the large majority if its energy to the stuff it hit first. To say nothing of possible trajectory changes.

>>719129334
Have to remember that the universe isn't made on human concepts, and that human concepts are merely attempts to explain it.
There is no future to go to, but just because there's naught but present doesn't mean that things cannot change in predictable patterns. It's just that we've been able to do very fun things like reverse these predictable pattern changes on the small scale.

>>719119117
I enjoyed all nine books. I hope they eventually make the final three seasons since there is a time skip where they are all older. Best scifi show and books in the last decade.

magnets are gay

>>719130112
They are expressly NOT gay
opposite attract
same repel

>>719113781
A couple of things cause logical problems.
Take time dilation. You're on a rocket ship, accelerating towards the speed of light.
The closer you get to the speed of light, the "slower" you'd age (relative to an outside observer). Subjectively, the faster you go, the shorter the trip feels to you.
Now if you were traveling AT the speed of light, the trip would feel instantaneous. A photon does not feel the passage of time. If you were riding a photon that was emitted at the dawn of time, that managed to just keep going for x-illions of years, and then hits a tiny piece of dust, the trip would have taken no time for you riding that photon, faster than the blink of an eye.
So what happens to a subjective frame of reference when you go faster than that? You can't arrive any faster than instantly, so then do you arrive before you left?
The tachyon anti-telephone is a classic example, say you have a telephone that can broadcast tachyons (a generic catch-all term for the concept of a FTL particle or quasi particle). You could get on your ship, fly across the universe, pick up your tachyon anti-telephone, and then call yourself at home in the past, before you left, and tell yourself not to leave in the rocket ship. So you don't... So who was phone?
Even with really simple thought experiments you can create situations where cause and effect get flipped around, and literally everything we know as human beings is that Effect follows cause, every time, all the time, all the way back to the first cause.

>>719108768 (OP)
>>Ships have aerodynamic designs, even though there's no need for this in a vacuum
That's not a trope, you silly billy, that's a necessity. If you plan to land anywhere that has an atmosphere or conduct any sort of atmospheric flight, you're gonna need your starship to have an aerodynamic design.

>>719109952
Absolutely obliterated them anon

>>719108768 (OP)
>>Ships have aerodynamic designs, even though there's no need for this in a vacuum
They never land on a planet or in a hanger that's not a vacuum?
>Faster than light travel
It's impossible to do anything outside of the solar system without this loophole.

>>719109952
You need a handwavium shield to stop the particles since if you're traveling at "significant fractions of light speed" then you'll get turned into debris when you hit anything larger than an atom, and even that is likely to wear your shit out.

>>719130102
I'm talking about an RKV that intentionally turns itself into a dust cloud when aimed at large objects like planets to make it much harder to stop while still being just as lethal as a solid projectile

>>719130159
Most of this is theoretical treated as fact. The reality is we've never actually accelerating something to FTL to confirm any of the theoretical as to what would happen. Yes it's very likely, but the amount of things in recent memory that we used to know as fact that have been disproven in larger or smaller ways just puts me in pure: "Until it actually happens and the results are exactly as predicted I'm skeptical mode."

>>719130268
>It's impossible to do anything outside of the solar system without this loophole.
the show is literally about finding an ancient alien wormhole network...

Star Destroyers in atmosphere is my pet peeve.

>>719130093
this imagine is retarded on multiple levels, it was only 50's hacks that were like that
20.000 leagues under the sea was actively used by early submarine designers because Jules Verne had paid immense attention to what a futuristic submarine might actually look like

scifi was speculative, until the 50's when it turned into "dude just magic" and then later got corrected back to it's earlier form

>>719130268
>loophole.
we literally have record of objects moving from 80,000 feet to the surface of the ocean a fraction of a second. scientific papers have been written about it. FTL Literally exists like For Real tm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I--5ehnNPVs

you faggots dont know shit about space battles

>physics still rife with unsoundness and open-problems
>sci-fi enthusiasts insist on said open-problems being completely understood
lol

>>719130402
Dude it's just magic. Like magnets. No one knows how those work.

>>719130389
I REALLY hate that one. The people who took over star wars never understood it and just started making all sorts of dumb shit happen that's now taken as retarded canon.

>>719108768 (OP)
>wants all ships to be borg cubes

ok go make that game and sell 3 copies man

>>719130107
If time travel is real explain electromagnetism.

>>719130441
And then an outlaw Star Ship zips in and arm wrestles their ship with one of its grapple arms.

>>719116270
Tossing rocks would be gay as balls faggot

>>719130464
anon, please don't imply star wars was ever supposed to be realistic or not goofy

Space ships in atmosphere can absolutely be kino of the highest order

>>719130387
Yeah, see, loophole (literally a loop with a hole in it) that allows for traveling to areas outside of the solar system, since it's basically 100% impossible to do that without the FTL travel.

>>719130439
Do not speak your schizobabble to me you harlot.

>>719130543
get rocked, biatch!

>>719130518
>an outlaw Star Ship
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zoDUxs3rlRU&list=RDzoDUxs3rlRU&start_radio=1

>>719130549
Disney should have been consistent with the old cannon's nonrealism then. Star Derstroyers didn't go in atmo.

>>719129521
im talking about the 'slingshot' scene. in the books there's nothing saying he did the slingshot shit to get to ganymede.
only that he avoided all the earth/mars ships by being a low threat while they were mostly aiming at each other. he probably got there using it's main engine drive given the timeline, slingshotting simply does not add up not to mention that he's within 1-3 lightseconds of the earth/mars fleets they can very easily see him even without him using epstein drives the idea that he could 'sneak in' is absurd ships are visible easily at x1000 times the distance

>>719130578
renowned physicists like hal puthoff and eric davis are talking about this stuff in the open. this shit is all real and they are taking it very seriously.

>>719130549
internal consistency is important for any work, even unrealistic ones
a work with dragons that always depicted them as being heavy creatures that fly laboriously with immense momentum behind them doesn't get to suddenly have them spin around mid air, despite it being a work featuring dragons

>>719130557
1000 planets also had a kino scene like that, where a nearby space battle sends hundreds of destroyed ships into a nearby planet and absolutely nukes it

>>719128804
The problem is that everything is just an assumption based on what we can prove. As your technology improves our ability to measure our results increases.
The result is that things we thought we knew may have been wrong because we've learnt something that actually disproves our previous explanation.

They don't know anything is purely accurate, it's pretty much just a best guess/provable consensus.

If FTL is possible, why would we be able to observe it? It would be the equivelent of measuring a single stray photon from the other side of the universe.
If someone travelled 100k light years directly towards us, the only time we would actually see them is when they come out of FTL.

FTL is probably possible, just not for us cavemen. Our species is too busy trying to convince people that the earth is flat.

>>719130776
>Our species is too busy trying to convince people that the earth is flat.
so when are we going back to the moon? 2 more years?

>>719130635
This is my scifi. With caster shells. In my never to be published novel the Ship Sorceress specifically makes 'spell caps' for the captain and is always complaining about the resource cost and asking for a raise.

>>719130842
Never, we can't get back into orbit now that the planet has flattened itself out.
We'll have to ask the elephants for help.

>>719130776
one of these has to be wrong just for logical/mathematical consistency
>speed of light is c
>causality is constant
>ftl is possible

you could write interesting scifi for each of the 3 being wrong but trying to write a scifi where all 3 are right is like trying to write a scifi where 1=2 is right

>>719130557
It can be, if the class of ship was meant to go in atmo. Same issue pops up if you have a location based space travel system but new writers have people popping in and out of hyper space at will instead of requiring calculations and particular entry points in space. Even worse when the nu writers have them popping into their travel inside atmo if it was never possible in atmo before.

>>719130918
the firmament is the theoretical problem

>>719108768 (OP)
>Ships have aerodynamic designs, even though there's no need for this in a vacuum

There are many occasions where spaceships function at a suborbital altitude.

>>719129436
>modern naval war
the sea power in the missile age game provides a decent simulation of modern naval combat

>have more and better antiship missiles
>have more and better AA missiles to intercept antiship missiles
>have radar pickets/airborne early warning for more time for you to shoot antiship and AA missiles and do it first
>have carriers and send planes out to spam the enemy with antiship missiles

its a game of numbers, i'd recommend reading the honorverse novels, they depict space combat but the way the author describes a constant weapons race between better/more missiles and better/more countermeasures seems to fit naval combat pretty well

>>719130326
>Most of this is theoretical treated as fact.
Relativity is the single most tested and validated scientific theory known to man. Its not a complete theory, and einstein will one day be proven wrong in the way newton was, which is to say they weren't wrong at all, but there is a more general case of their theory.
Einsteinian mechanics poop out Newtonian mechanics when you're dealing with things in 1g traveling at infinitesimal fractions of c. But no one could predict the orbit of mercury because its traveling fast enough that there are relativistic effects newton never thought to even consider.
Einstein's math likewise begins to break down when you get to really small scales, or really high densities.
We know black holes exist, so the math MUST reconcile, but you need a bigger theory to unify gravity and quantum effects. A thing you never need to worry about unless you're in the moments before the big bang, or inside of a black hole. Both very special cases with such high energies they're basically impossible to test without star trek level technology and super colliders around solar systems.

>>719130973
Sea Power is kino. 1.0 when

>>719130951
interesting thing with this scene is that the ship was never designed to go into atmosphere, but it was a desperation move that was both absolutely necessary and had long lasting consequences, the ship suffers significant internal damage to it's structure as a result of the controlled atmospheric drop with an FTL jump at the end that contributes to it's ultimate destruction much further down the line

>>719131032
>We know black holes exist,
we really don't, we're just assuming

>>719130973
I liked Honorverse. At least for a while. He never could figure out how to end it so it just went on and on

>>719130549
The thing with Star Wars is, back in the 90s, a fanboy who was also an astrophysics PhD (pic related) sat down and overanalyzed the movies then wrote up a complete technical breakdown of how everything worked (including patches for the shit like the "Kessel run in less than twelve parsecs" bit) and gave it to somebody at Lucasfilm, who went and made it canon. It got used as the basis for all the "Star Wars Essential Guide" and "Star Wars Incredible Cross-Section" books, and made its way into the later EU novels. Which made Star Wars, for a brief while, actually the more technically grounded of the two big name Star series (much to the seething of Trekies).

>>719130842
> As of August 2025, the crewed Artemis II launch is scheduled for April 2026, the Artemis III crewed lunar landing is expected to launch no earlier than mid-2027, the Artemis IV docking with the Lunar Gateway is planned for late 2028, the Artemis V docking with the European Space Agency's ESPRIT, Canada's Canadarm3, and NASA's Lunar Terrain Vehicle is planned for early 2030, and the Artemis VI docking which is expected to integrate the Crew and Science Airlock with the Lunar Gateway station is planned for early 2031. After Artemis VI, NASA plans yearly landings on the Moon from then on.

4 years actually.

>>719131143
pfffft
get on my level

>>719130557
this scene is so retarded, it's in freefall over the city why does it instantly start 'burning'? assuming the place has earthlike atmosphere it should not have those flames.
>>719131086
i actually think its kinda retarded those warships are designed to be very tough. falling though the atmosphere for a few seconds shouldnt damage it much. but the compunded effect of many battles and ftl jumps makes sense

>>719130924
Having 3 of them is possible. As I remember reading on projectro some hard SF writer used simple method: it's not possible to create paradox. Simple universe doesn't allow you to create such situations. It's a law. Any attempt to create paradox and time travel situation just fails. Engine malfunction, system error.

>>719129508
>Lying on the internet

>>719131143
He just writes stories that don't lend themselves to ending in a reasonable time frame.

>safehold
>write a novel about going from the bronze age to space age
>but describe every detail and every generation involved

>>719131308
it was the combination of 2 successive jumps into a gravity well that did most of the damage
and it was a compounding factor, it had gone through many battles and went through many battles afterwards and key to the whole series is that they cannot ever dock because they're the last remnants of humanity on a run

>>719131032
I think a lot of what you're saying here is why I think the way I do. The hardest most secure theories are awesome. But a real physical test is the only absolute for results. That's my world view and I'm sticking to it. I like the theories. Cool. Now let's test them. We can't? Okay. Still theories until we can actually test them. Not a knock against education or math or anyone working the problems. I just believe in results.

>>719131091
Bro, we have pictures of them now.

>>719130924
>you could write interesting scifi for each of the 3 being wrong but trying to write a scifi where all 3 are right is like trying to write a scifi where 1=2 is right
You need a bit of post singularity techno-core computer magic, and causality gets a little loopy, but only from a linear perspective.

>>719131457
Its always interesting to me that older scifi often takes the position that if you're intelligent enough you can basically do magic. Hyperion isn't the only case where a super intelligent AI can do shit like will matter into reality or teleport shit around.

>>719131308
>i actually think its kinda retarded those warships are designed to be very tough
This is interesting read about size
>https://www.stardestroyer.net/Empire/Science/Size.html
Apparently you can't just design big ships even in space with ease. Bigger = more technologically advanced = slow as fuck. Dyson sphere is absolute unit. You can have all insane crazy technology, control of the 100 start systems yet not able to make Dyson sphere

>>719131456
pictures of what exactly?
they're not even actual pictures, they're just visualizations of collected data.
we truly have no fucking clue what black holes are, they could be random type 3 tech we're just mistaking for "black holes" because it sometimes aligns with science fiction and speculative science.

>>719128939
Does he address the apparent homogeneity of matter distribution?

>>719131698
Nobody makes a solid sphere. Even the original thought experiment didn't assume a solid sphere.
A Dyson Sphere is a swarm of smaller objects.

I seent the black hole

>>719131705
we've detected the gravitational waves resulting from black hole mergers
singularities were predicted mathematically and all observations are in line with those predictions

at this point saying it's random type 3 tech is like saying gravity is tiny invisible angels pushing us down
technically we can't say it's not tiny angels but we're not going to make any attempts to find the tiny angels

>>719131820
and it also doesn't assume that those objects are infallible, most dyson swarms these days involve constant production of replacement components either from the surrounding bodies or directly from starlifting

>>719108768 (OP)
I wish that in The Expanse universe the Kuiper Belt and the Oort Cloud were also somewhat colonized.
The daily ongoings of Oort Cloud stations would make the entire Belt struggle look like fucking daycare

>>719131454
The thing about theories is that you can verify them two ways, by observing them, and by testing the predictions of the model.
If you get something that as solid as relativity, and understand how rigorously verified it is, you can make some more confident assumptions.
Its the reason dark matter and dark energy are both such big deals/grant farms. On massive scales our observations begin to drift from the model. Its possible the whole model is wrong, but its not likely, because the other 99.999% of the time its dead on. So its more likely there's something unaccounted for, which is where you get new math from.
And if someone does want to come up with a brand new theory, it needs to do everything relativity could do, and more.

>>719132014
it probably is its just so sparse that the rest of the system doesnt interact with them.
also if you think about it belters kinda make no sense it should have been jovians/saturnians or something the belt is too far, too sparse and has too few things the inners want to warrent belters existing there to mine it

>>719129749
But what if that is my Dogshit opinion? What if I like gears glued on my ship out of irony? What then?

>>719132014
what would be the point of an oort cloud colony though?
it would need to be, by necessity, very small scale since it can't rely on solar power and the oort cloud is sparse so trying to find nuclear material for fuel is a crapshoot

and there's nothing really there that could be sent back to earth

really the only point of an oort cloud colony would specifically be the isolation, so it might come later down the line when tech is advanced enough that small communities can decide to start a colony (hundred people or so)

>>719131970
>dyson swarms
Sounds GAY. I bet it's still impossible task.

>>719131649
That's just clarke's third law. "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic."

If you showed someone from a thousand years ago our technology, you would be burnt at the stake for witchcraft.
And it's not even that technologically advanced.

We're at the point where we could understand the difference for technology a thousand years from now, but could we explain how it worked? Likely, no.
We would probably assume they are using nanotechnology to create fire instead of just being shocked that they've cast a fireball.
But as to the actual truth? It could just be magic..

>>719132213
drones are incredibly cringe and gay and so it's most likely what the first real-life attempt will be

>>719132213
nah there's nothing impossible about it, it doesn't even need to encompass the entire star to be effective, you can slowly build it up over decades or even centuries using asteroids as raw material, then when it gets big enough switch to starlifting using it's excess power

>>719115876
All the even semi "plausible" methods of ftl require either exotic elements like matter that has "negative gravity" or utterly insane amounts of power, typically both actually. So for all intents and purposes, ftl is soft scifi at best.

>>719116069
Spaceships that are essentially just built around a big fuckhuge gun are peak in terms of design.

>>719132162
>>719132196
Maybe it would make more sense in the year 15000, rather than 2350 like the Expanse
>Earth is full
>Mars, Venus(?) are terraformed and full
>All dwarf planets and moons are colonized like Ceres in The Expanse ("hollowed out") and are full
>Main asteroid belt is stripped of resources, what few stations remain are full
>Kuiper belt is stripped of its resources or well on its way, either way full
Now, you still need resources, and there are probably currently-undiscovered dwarf planets and large asteroids in the Oort Cloud
>Send convicts, poor people, experienced laborers on a 6-10 year journey
>If they stop launching mined resources in the general direction of the Sun, the planets stop launching supplies in their general direction, leading to a slow and miserable death for everyone on the unruly station

As for power
>magic epstein nuclear power
Food?
>Insect farming, bacteria/algae farming, worms, synthetic slop, etc.

>>719132734
Oh and none of them are ever returning from the Oort cloud. generational slavery

>>719128845
Well yea it is, and its an existential threat to your view of reality hence you have to lash out about it.

>>719132162
The belters colonized the belt before they made the Epstein drive. Now they act as way stations pretty much, to refuel and resupply ships on the way out to the outer planets. And they spent decades spinning up the asteroids, they weren't going to abandon them for no reason since the solar system is all they have. Plus there's like forty billion humans in this story at that point. Most on Earth are out of jobs and only live on basic.

>>719118753
What are you talking about?

>>719132196
>what would be the point of an oort cloud colony though?
Misery. A psychiatric experiment.