Thread 719132395

All this AI stuff with frame generstion and all kinds of thigns, yet it had zero impact on NPC AI, why?

THATS A MAN, BABY!

>>719132395 (OP)
"AI" is actually retarded glorified google and can't write good ai for games.
Making fake frames is simple enough though because it's easy to interpolate what you need to draw.
Have you tried giving abstract problems or math problems to an LLM? they are incredibly bad at them because they have no internal logic.

>>719132395 (OP)
LLMs are """dangerous""" because they'll call the player a nigger if he steals something. They're also very computationally expensive, and the small ones are retarded as fuck. Nobody has an extra 5090 to dedicate to a language model.

https://store.steampowered.com/app/3730100/Whispers_from_the_Star/
this came out recently and you can talk to your ai gf in it
fair warning though, the ai is not local
you will be sending your prompts to their servers

>>719132395 (OP)
OP refers to intelligent enemies and the only replies will be about talking to a chatgpt bot

>>719133203
/thread

>>719132471
Only makes it hotter

>>719133203
>intelligent enemies
>NPC AI
There is no such thing, there is only the illusion of intelligence.

>>719133203
in that case, wouldn't bots basically become gods with enough training data?
if they have guns, literal aimbots. the only way to win is accidentally catch them facing away from you.
if melee, least amount of opening possible, maximizing damage to player before dying. if it's a boss and you don't have a cheese strat, you're fucked without OP gear.

>>719132395 (OP)
Because LLMs and generative models are not “AI” in any meaningful sense, they have no utility for simiulating intelligent behavior
stop buying hype

>>719133548
So all this AI and we can't figure out how to get good difficulty

>>719132680
They are solving math problems.

>>719132779
in english, doc

>>719133763
NPC AIs don't have real intelligence either, retard.
>>719133548
At least give them proper pathfinding, at leadt make them on the level of a shitty player.

>>719133548
Perfect AI wouldn't mean unbeatable, it would mean an AI that adapts to you as a player knowing what you enjoy and dislike about the game and playing whoever it has to so it can maximize engagement.

>>719132395 (OP)
AIs go off script to easily and need to be wrangler back into character by an autist
We already know what this looks like for a big company and modern tech, it was the Darth Vader fortnight thing. Fortnight is goofy so it doesnt really matter that Darth Vader is talking about smoking blunts with Vegeta or whatever but if you were to try it in some "immersive" rpg there would be problems.

>>719134409
Does frame generation go off-script?

>>719134315
>so it doesnt really matter that Darth Vader is talking about smoking blunts with Vegeta or whatever

AI isn't here to make games better, it's here to make them cheaper.

>>719134043
Replace LMM with AI, brainlet

>>719134409
I think the issue with vader was that they made him say racisms

>>719132395 (OP)
CPU advancement slowed to a crawl over the last 15 years, now they are focusing on them again so we might see some new breakthroughs with NPC behavior

>>719134043
ChatGPT is too expensive for simple game conversations. AIs that you could run on your console do not exist, AIs that can run on your PC are too slow or too dumb.

>>719132471
unless u offer proof, its staying saved on my PC

>>719134637
/thread

>>719134535
No because it's part of the rendering pipeline which doesn't have anything to do with the game's script. However, it hallucinates details which would be the analogous thing for an image AI to do compared to an AI driven NPC going out of character, making things up, or doing something nonsensical.

>>719134793
Local is plenty good enough for NPC banter at least

>>719134637
Sorry, but I'll take Deepseek over Rakshit Sandeep any day of the week. AI code > actual Indian code.

>>719134943
I agree but my point stands.

>>719134637
It's honestly sad

>>719135101
Cheaper can also mean better. Justifying more AA games where the company is actually willing to take risks would be great, right it's all safeslop AAA games that STILL tank the companies when they flop for being the same shit released 30 times this year.

>>719135326
I expect the benefits to come at some point, though ultimately it's up to a human to be able to competently use it.

>>719132395 (OP)
Because it takes a long time to train agents in population simulation. Easier to just code a few basic behaviours and be done with it

>>719132395 (OP)
Good NPC AI can't be done by brute force, raw computational power, like LLMs and image generation are. It's all design. You have to construct behaviors for enemies, oftentimes around the specific scenarios and stages, to keep players engaged and on their toes.
Half-life did this, FEAR did this. How much that enemy behavior is truly decided by the AI itself, who cares. Those little dudes are not gonna manage by themselves. You gotta guide them.

AI in games is pathfinding with an FSM, it's way more robust.

>>719132395 (OP)
When first gpu popped up we were like : what the hell! But look where we are now. Same with ai. One day second gpu for ai will be mast have for games. Mark my words