Thread 719153937

>try original game to see what all the hype is about
>it's just a more boring version of castlevania

I really don't understand why this game is getting so much praise and why people are so excited for silksong.

It's the first Metroidvania for a lot of people, and you can't deny that it's a very polished, atmospheric and big game with a good art style.

yes anon your take is so fresh we need thread #38572139 about it

>>719153937 (OP)
I like metroidvanias but hk never clicked for me either

You have to understand, zoomers have never played a good game in their lives ever even once, so something that's a pale imitation of a good game from 20 years ago is like meeting god to them

>>719154026
>you can't deny that it's an atmospheric game with a good art style.
I can actually, it looks like shit and has the atmosphere of every other "small thing in big scary world" indie game out there

Once again please help me comprehend what "indieslop" is and how to avoid it.

It has charm. The moodiness and music. But the areas are way too big and feel like they're endless random-generated corridors. There's too many goddamn 'rooms' in each area. And they're not distinctive enough from the rest.

>>719155491
Same. I think it's the ugly tweening, makes it look like a shitty Newgrounds game.

SEX WITH MY GIRLFRIEND (male), PHANTOM, WHILST HORNET WATCHES.

>>719154026
I was unimpressed with it when I first tried it last year, though this definitely wasn't my first in the genre.
The dream nail location just happening to be one of the very last locations I didn't help either with all the added backtracking.
I've grown to appreciate it more since then. There are some standout music tracks, and it handles its dreary vibes well.

>>719156120
The dream nail area being one of the last for me, I meant.

I like Knighty, he's cute.

11% of players have beaten Radiance btw.
Given how long it takes to get there and that you must git gud to beat it, it's safe to say the playerbase for this game is dedicated.
OP got filtered by some boss.

it has soul.

it has a sense of gloomy charme and exploration that is rarely found in most games. the boss fights are hard but fair, the charms are a great addition to modify your playstyle. the characters are bizarre and funny. it expertly combined what is good about dark souls with a 2D metroidvania. the whole thing works together so well.

no one ever claimed it was the most original game, but for a lot of people it does strike a very specific note.

>>719156247
>it has soul.
It doesn't

Threadly reminder that Shazam lost.

>>719156540
retard

you are a more boring version of other shitposters nigga try harder or stop typing

>>719153937 (OP)
>>719155491
Because at its core it's soulsfaggotry larping as a Metroidvania

>>719156898
>no iframe dash spam
>no parryslop
>hitbox combat
>no estus mechanic
>polar opposite of souls damage system
>deliberate but not heavily animation driven attacks and fighting
>DS1 style world instead of linear DS3 shit
Its the polar opposite of souls clone faggotry

>>719153937 (OP)
I like it but I wish the soundtrack was more memorable. All the boss themes kind of blended together and there's only really two area themes I can recall at all

>>719154026
A polished game wouldn't have a start anywhere near that boring and slow.

>>719156898
No it's not, that's Salt & Sanctuary and that's a great game for its budget. HK doesn't feel anything like Souls except for losing currency on death and having to get it back.

>>719153937 (OP)
You don't get it. It's the outlier.
https://youtu.be/LLmbURvGwj8
The guy who made the video changed the thumbnail. It used to say "IT'S JUST BETTER" which is rich coming from a guy who admitted to have never played any other metroidvanias.

>>719157473
kill yourself

watching max play it made me remember why i like the game so god damn much

>>719156898
Hollow Knight is probably the least "souls-like" out of any metroidvania with that label. Some would even argue it doen't count as a souls-like at all.

>>719156101
newgrounds games were cool, you are trying too hard

>>719153937 (OP)
because a more boring castlevania is still 10x better than any game coming out in 2025.

>>719153937 (OP)
Nobody cares if you dont like popular game

>>719157626
It is an outlier. I can't think of another one that couldn't get to the point like HK.

>>719157696
No.

>>719156247
>are hard but fair
Are you a game journalist? only they say stupid shit like this

>>719153937 (OP)
My niece swears this is the best game ever so I promised to play it eventually...

>>719155647
hahahaAHHAH

Yeah that makes a lot of sense. Hollow Knight mobile tier movement triggers the shit out of me

>>719153937 (OP)
Rewatching footage of NKG or PV made me appreciate how much better the boss fights are in HK than pretty much all other metroidvanias. In spite of that they're still overrated, the real appeal is the exploration and world design visually and mechanically
Thoughts?

>>719157626
Zoomers truly have incredible dogshit taste. As expected from the same retards that piss and shit their pants when they play mario 64.

Wait until metroid becomes a dogshit mobile tier platformer for inbreed retards

>>719158443
Rabi-Ribi's boss fights take a massive shit on Holloiw Knight. It's not even close.

>walk past item/path that requires ability I don't have yet
>walk past item/path that requires ability I don't have yet
>walk past item/path that requires ability I don't have yet
>walk past item/path that requires ability I don't have yet
>walk past item/path that requires ability I don't have yet
dishonest level design

>>719159008
funny considering Rabi Ribi is an actual outliner with all the bullet dodging

>>719153937 (OP)
This is one of those times where people who weren't they only see the hype but don't understand it. HK got popular because it was a really good, cheap, true indie game. It has tons of boss battles with fun customizable combat, and it pretty easily triples the standard amount of content for a metroidvania playthrough which is about 12 hours in my experience.

So it's a good game and a lot of people played it. It did several things better, or at least bigger, than any game in its genre before it.
That doesn't mean it's going to change your life, it's a video game. I'm sure there's tons of all-time great games you haven't played because it's not a genre you like.

You guys talk about games but you don't know shit about them, and you end up sounding like retards.

>>719159069
Aww he's playing a metroidvania for the first time

>>719159069
>staple of the entire goddamn genre

It got compared to dark souls and was latched onto by the he same redditfags. That's literally all there is to it.

>>719153937 (OP)
Okay but why does the corruption shit out orange eggs and goop everywhere? I beat the game and it's just some light vs dark story and a wormnigga ruling over bugs.

>>719159147
>and it pretty easily triples the standard amount of content for a metroidvania playthrough which is about 12 hours in my experience.
Yeah but it's also rancid dogshit for 12 hours so why the fuck does that matter?

Is this really the best that Shazam can do at this point?

>>719154026
>and you can't deny that it's a very polished, atmospheric and big game with a good art style.
why are you talking about Ender Lilies?

>>719159370
It's the last desperate struggle before they get obliterated by the games release

>>719159306
google moth parasites

>>719153937 (OP)
I do agree, but I can see WHERE the appeal comes from. It's a moody game with the kind of drip-fed lore tidbits that people like to collect, akin to Dark Souls and its ilk. Iceberg storytelling.
But for fuck's sake, this game needs less obnoxious spike puzzles and more boss fights..

>>719155789
>Every other "small thing in big scary world" indie game out there
Can you name at least 10 of those indie games if there are so many.

>>719154026
Its ass, little bro
>muh artwork
Its mediocre and doesn't excuse the ass gameplay

>>719159938
You're going to lose again.

>>719156247
Its not hard
It has no soul
Its an indie game with the soulless feeling of a AAA game which is impressive to accomplish

Castlevania is the boring version of Castlevania

>>719153937 (OP)
Haiku the robot mogs this thing

>>719153937 (OP)
>boring version of castlevania
>screen is not flashing each 5 minutes CONGRATS GAMER FOR GAMING
well yeah, it is not like other castlevanias but it doesn't equal boring, its just your undeveloped brain

>>719153937 (OP)
>>it's just a more boring version of castlevania
In what way?

>>719159814
Superbrothers: Sword & Sworcery
Limbo
Inside
Little Nightmares
Ori and the Blind Forest
Rain World
Animal Well
Gris
Toby the Secret Mine
Unravel
White Shadows
Unleaving
The Cave
Minit
Lone Fungus
Lost Ruins

>>719156247
it's incredibly dull and soulless

>>719160258
it is dark and it has souls

>>719156207
which radiance? the pantheon one? i'm struggling with pantheon grim (I beat nightmare grim)

>>719159194
>>719159215
it would be fine if the world wasn't as bloated in it's size

>>719154026
Its boring and tedious compared to games like Castlevania SOTN, Aria of Sorrow, Dawn of Sorrow and Portrait of Ruin and Super Metroid, Metroid Zero Mission and Metroid Fusion.

>>719160326
say that again

>>719160468
>Castlevania SOTN, Aria of Sorrow, Dawn of Sorrow and Portrait of Ruin
any of these on Steam so I can comfy game on Deck?

>>719160547
Yes. Aria of Sorrow, Dawn of Sorrow and Portrait of Ruin are on steam.

>>719157871
i don't think it is. what makes souls combat work is that it's all about resource management. everything but walking consumes some kind of resource. you even need resources for exploration given how humanity/hollowing affects max health and estus charges based on the game

>>719153937 (OP)
the art is what sells it the lore is making the hype i think. the gameplay is pretty mediocre.

Personally, I measure a game's worth by how memorable it was, because the good moments stick, and the bad moments fade away, if you're actually a normal person that doesn't linger on negative memories. For HK, I remember the atmosphere of the raining city, and the area with tons of corpses. Those felt well-crafted and interesting. Unfortunately, that's all I can really say I liked. I can't hum any music from the game like I can with Castlevania or Metroid. I don't remember clearly any boss fights or enemy designs. I don't remember if I enjoyed any of the gameplay. But at least I did remember the two areas, which is a lot more than I can say for most shit.

>>719159661
>The corruption is a bunch of ticks and bedbugs
Fucking m*thniggers

>>719160634
What a sad era for gaming when that's the art that sells a game into stardom

>>719160598
thank you!

>>719153937 (OP)
It's a good game, and it allows for a bit of player growth and expression on top of having a nice art direction. My problem is the ebin "prepare to die" design that the devs seem to be fond of. Godhome is kind of fun, but honestly, it isn't content that I find myself able to engage with for too long. I really hope they tone it down a bit for Silksong (but I know they won't).

>>719154026
It's slick at first, but then I went back and played Castlevania: Symphony of the Night & Super Metroid, and it became obvious how shallow Hollow Knight is. It's difficult to explain, but those classics feel more "embedded", more fleshed out and fully realised, in their overall presentation and even their gameplay. There's something annoyingly fucking minimalistic about Hollow Knight in every aspect to where it feels it was made by people who hate whimsy & fun. Those classics feel like WORLDS whereas Hollow Knight is just a pretty video game; same with the characters — the voice lines in Castlevania are cheesy as hell but they have a charming genre feel. Hollow Knight feels like a design textbook.

I dont like its mopey vibe. Metroid and Castlevania games are more upbeat.

>>719156898
>it's soulsfaggotry larping as a Metroidvania
its crazy how you can just say shit about a videogame on /v/ despite very obviously never having played it

>>719160713
i mean i like the art and i can understand people are drawn to it. but well yeah i like good gameplay even more in games. but i think its "okay" like in the sense that its not bad enough to make people call it out. it kinda works for what it is.

Didn’t hate it, didn’t love it. Had fun with one playthrough, bounce off every time I try and play again. The traversal is just so fucking slow and boring, and the combat isn’t very deep despite how much of it there is. Very pretty game though, it’s obvious why it is so beloved.

I think it depends how you view exploration. If you enjoy stumbling around in a world that doesn't hold your hand at all, possibly hitting a dead end and having to backtrack, then it's exploration kino. If this doesn't appeal to you then it's a frustrating waste of time.

Letting you fall into deepnest at the start of the game was kino and not a risk most games would take.

>>719160867
I've played Super Metroid and it's a very dark & dingy atmosphere ... but I know what you mean, the game screams its sci-fi setting in a way that engrosses you and gives you the impression the developers wanted you to have a good time on this space adventure ... I hate the shit-smearing misanthropic design philosophy soulsfaggotry has brought into vidya.

>>719153937 (OP)
Babies first metroidvania

Castlevania is slick at first, but then I went back and played Hollow Knight & Silksong demo, and it became obvious how shallow Castlevania is. It's difficult to explain, but those modern classics feel more "embedded", more fleshed out and fully realized, in their overall presentation and even their gameplay. There's something annoyingly fucking synthetic about Castlevania in every aspect to where it feels it was made by people who hate whimsy & fun. Those modern classics feel like WORLDS whereas Castlevania is just a pretty video game; same with the characters — the voice lines in Hollow Knight are cheesy as hell but they have a charming genre feel. Castlevania feels like a design textbook.

>>719160547
yeah, they have advance and dominus collections on steam

I neither hate nor love it, personally it feels that it has the same stable quality in all segments and areas with small lows and highs enough to keep some players' invested. I've liked lesser games more because their highs were greater even though their lows were worse too. It's more like a "safe bet" kind of game. If you've played something you consider the peak of the genre then there's no way you'll like it but if you don't really have something to consider great then it might trick you into thinking it's the greatest.
I hope the sequel lives up to the hype but i really doubt it because lets face it, nothing ever lives up to any hype of this magnitude, I even doubt GTA will live up to its' hype

>>719160838
>Those classics feel like WORLDS whereas Hollow Knight is just a pretty video game;
idk how people say this. I've never seen a metroidvania with as much environmental storytelling and lore to piece together as HK.

>>719160713
Like forever?

>>719159767
it doesn't have enough spike puzzles

>>719161162
nah, the world in hk is just a bunch of caves that are colored purple sometimes

>>719159938
>Its a-CK
>15 million copies sold
>little b-ACK
>silksong is the #1 most wishlisted game on steam

>>719161241
But is that true?

hornet in fraymakers soon

>>719161309
yeah
>>719161297
call of duty fucking MOGS AND RAPED every other game then

>>719161297
>if it appeals to normalfags it’s good
Not the hill I’d want to die on, anon. Salesfags are the niggers of /v/.

>>719156247
It's not hard at all

>>719161196
>if you’ve played something you consider the peak of the genre then there’s no way you’ll like it
SotN is one of my favorite games of all time and I think HK is fantastic, 9/10. One thing you disingenuous niggers never talk about is the combat, HK plays much more like Zero from Megaman X than any other Metroidvania character like Alucard or Samus.

>>719161417
>>719161445
Indie games sell on merit, AAA sells on brand recognition.
When an indie game reaches that amount of sales and wishlists, it's because it's good. If you disagree, you're simply upset that people like something you don't.

>>719153937 (OP)
It's the first Metroidvania for Zoomers. They were too young to appreciate games like Super Metroid or Symphony of the Night. That being said Hollow Knight still a cool game.

>>719160246
Thanks for the recommendations.

>>719161495
post nightmare king grimm kill

>>719153937 (OP)
i see that its like 20 plus hours so im not interested

>>719161508
>One thing you disingenuous niggers never talk about is the combat
that's the point of my post tho, combat is neither great nor unique (and surely not bad). It's just basic(?) or stable I don't know the term for it. I don't get why it's so praised

>>719157626
Buy an ad

>>719161529
No, it's because all of you have utter dogshit taste.

>>719161529
Neither of those statements are true otherwise most AAA games would have failed to pick up from the start

>>719161241
Ah yes, as opposed to castlevania where it's a bunch of grey castle walls that have red carpet sometimes

>>719161221
this, I like the platforming more than the fighting
>inb4 just play a platforming game then
no

>>719161529
I’m not arguing whether or not it’s good, just that sales are not a good metric for quality. Unless we’re suddenly pretending to care what normalfaggots think now.

>People now hate on Hollow Knight because Silksong is trending
Don't even try to gaslight me, I was here on release and everyone loved it, you fucking subhuman contrarians.

>>719153937 (OP)
I’ve played it 10+ times. I enjoy it less now than I did in the past. A lot of it is boring walking and jumping through black hallways and shafts. The boss fights and the White Palace are good, but a lot of downtime.

>>719160246
Most of those are nothing like Hollow Knight. Not in atmosphere, nor in gameplay.

>>719153937 (OP)
>it's just a more boring version of castlevania
Nah Caslevania is slow and floaty. Hollow knight plays is a lot more fluid and fun. Better platforming and better combat.

>>719161529
nah stfu nigga, indie slop can sell thanks to youtube and streamer faggots playing and shilling the game too, HK was hyped by dumb niggers on internet instead of marketers and fooled a ton of people into playing this game design failure

>>719161680
just play a platforming game then

>I really don't like "Universally Acclaimed Very Freaking Good Game"

Whenever you see a post like this, you can 99% assume OP is a retard. There may be exceptions, OP might have genuinely good arguments, but usually those arguments won't be presented and OP will just be a retard.

>>719161625
Sounds like what you’re saying is that the combat is good and that it feels good and handles a good crossover between genres, which is impressive in itself.

>>719161828
>HK was hyped by dumb niggers on internet instead of marketers
Aren't industry games also hyped by internet niggers as well?

>>719161676
castle walls >>> rock walls
and jokes aside 6 hours of aria have a ton more variety than 30 hours of hollow mid

>>719155647
I’m a zoomer and have not played a single game on the bottom two rows
what does this say about me?

>>719161661
CoD exiated as a smaller series for more than a decade before 4/Modern Warfare, dumbass.

I do think Hollow Knight's progression beats are too spread apart. It doesn't give you enough small incentives to explore around like Metroid does with its missile expansions. You have to have the motivation to explore large swaths of the map without getting anything new (or even knowing if you're making progress the way the game wants you to) and be okay with that.

>>719161737
>now
I've been shitting on this game for many many years.

>>719161921
Not really

>>719161948
>CoD1 2003
>CoD4 2007
>more than a decade

>>719161950
That would be fine if the areas were interesting to explore. They're not. So they need rewards. But you don't get them regularly and when you do they're minor shit. It's structured like Zelda, not Metroid.

>>719161948
>CoD
>AAA
Oh so you don't even know what that term means.

>>719161890
yes but at the same time it doesn't really do something "lasting" and you don't get something (spell ability/skill attack) mindblowing enough to be memorable imo. It's just like I said on my first post "stable quality with neither lows nor highs".
I don't claim it's bad on it's own but rather confused why it gets that praise while it's just the same thing the whole game.
I got up to Dung Defender fight with no charm because I did it in a single run and I felt the only thing that would REALLY change my gameplay was the Flukenest charm because it changes my basic spell

>>719161950
Missile upgrades become unimportant very quickly. People critique HK for having boring treasures, mostly currency, but missile and health upgrades in metroid become token after the first like 10 and don't really matter since the games don't pose a challenge in the first place.

>>719153937 (OP)
It also looks like a flash game.

>>719154026
>atmospheric and big game with a good art style.
Literally every other metroidvania is better in that aspect.

>>719162040
well you probably touch yourself every night so you are wrong

>>719161202
isn't it just about bugs

>>719162275
not a bad thing

>>719162154
Do you like Zelda? If not then I could see what your issue is, you don’t really get any crazy spell or moves that take up the whole screen or look super cool. You kind of just get a basic kit like LttP or even OoT. Just like in those games where the most advanced Link can do is a spin attack, which is pretty normal, HK doesn’t have anything crazy.

>>719162221
>>719161950
hollow knight side exploration gives me entire alternate areas, sidequests and actually immense powerspikes
>the collector
>nail arts
>flower quest
>quick slash
>pale ore
>(((millibelle))) the banker
>motherfucking grimm troupee
>void spells
>fuckton of geo
>collosseum of fools
>charm notches
>bosses like Nosk

I will never mentally comprehend people say it doesnt reward exploration. Specially not compared to many other competitor games that have infinitely more boring rewards (see pic rel) and get zero flak for it. It think its really just contrarianism

>>719162480
No. Zelda is literally only good for its puzzle dungeons.

I'm not qualified to talk about it since I played like 40 minutes but holy shit this is the first time a metroidvania bores me so fast, it's not even the indie factor, I enjoyed Blasphemous and Ender Lillies/Magnolia and even Momodora 4 and 5. I don't know why this game was so painfully boring to me. Then I checked it's like 50 hours long what the fuck.

>>719162386
Its about a bug kingdom that all died because they were anti-vax

>>719161818
They all have the same "small thing in big scary world" tumblr atmosphere though

>>719162480
I love Zelda but not for it's combat so I guess we reached an understanding (or at least I hope we did).
It's other things that made me like zelda and I don't think its' combat is praised like HK's for example unless I'm wrong which I apologize for my misassumption

>>719153937 (OP)
Heard endymion glazing the shit out of the gameplay, saying how intuitive, smooth and responsive it is.

I just bought the game 2 days ago and after I got the dash and wall jump, it seems like the game just ripped off the movement from megaman x/z/zx. Even the dash timing, distance, wall jump all feel the same. Only difference is you don't have to dash jump while wall climbing to get the same level of distance and mobility.

It's really amazing how people are just rediscovering gameplay mechanics japanese have perfected decades ago and just how fucking far behind western games are.

>>719162603
the knight isnt very small and the world isnt trying to be particulary scary at all 90% of the time

If only this game wasn't liked by people who have never played a metroidvania before, I could maybe take it seriously.

>>719162639
the difference is application
combat wise for example, megaman has these features but it literally does not have the enemy design to back it up. now go ahead and fight soul tyrant, lost kin and nightmare king

>>719155647
Amazing, 2007 is exactly the year everything went to shit.

>>719161631
Die "duck invaders"

>>719162501
Now compare it to playing Order of Ecclesia, a game where the exploration is at its absolute weakest in its series, and I get different glyphs that change how I play throughout the game just from exploring. Only stops with Nitocris because it's OP.

>>719161938
Because all you play is robolox and minecraft.

>>719161938
you're looking for validation on an anonymous imageboard which is kinda cringe

>>719162580
sounds epic for the win holy wholesomerino

No one ever liked this Soulslop trash. Muh no story, muh cryptic dialogue and weird NPCS, my go out there and do whatever for zero reason. Only "le deep" plebbitors like this trash. Same people who watch 3 hour long Youtube videos about Elden Shit lore.

>>719161202
>the black metal soul statues
>the king's statues in greenpath
>the mountain of corpses outside of the deepnest gate in mantis village
>everything in the abyss area
>the falling bodies in kingdom's edge
>the hidden area when you dreamnail godseeker
>the sculptures in ogrim's room
>dryya's corpse outside of the white lady's hovel
>the moss knight on the docks
>radiance's statue atop crystal peak
>the fucking slowed down shade theme in what is blatantly a nursery in white palace

>>719162669
>the knight isnt very small
He's a bug
>and the world isnt trying to be particulary scary at all 90% of the time
The main color of the game is black and every character design looks like a cartoony skull, you would have to be a retard to claim the game isn't intentionally trying to evoke a dreary and gloomy atmosphere

>>719162806
>no one ever liked it
Actual denial of reality.

>>719162806
Shazam lost, kill yourselves already.

>>719161202
You are a zoomer though so your frame of reference is meaningless >>719155647

What I'm getting from this is that if this is your first metroidvania you will like it no matter what.
If it's not it's kinda 50/50.

>>719162386
not at all, it's about bugs with funny voices

>>719162817
Didn't Play the Game Award

>>719162669
nta, but the knight is small enough to be confused for a child by some bugs.

>>719162996
Got Blown the Fuck Out Award

>>719161508
If I was comparing HK to Megaman Zero it'd be a 0/10 instead of a 3/10. Floating bouncy no impact bullshit.

>>719153937 (OP)
>reddit knight
you had it coming

>>719162978
Honestly the bug theme is already a huge turn off for me.

>>719162639
>it seems like the game just ripped off the movement from megaman x/z/zx
I wish.

>>719161162
Castlevania games are a string of disconnected areas randomly put together using "it's a magic castle" as its excuse for nonsensical level design.

>>719161950
Missle and bomb upgrades are hardly an incentive. A single new charm or even charm notch can be a game changer.

>>719161065
Super Metroid has a really varied soundtrack so each area evokes a very different feel.
By comparison Hollow Knight has the same somber feel the entire way through except for boss fights which also all feel the same

>Saw the hype
>Watched some Youtube video about it
>Combat seemed okay
>Watched a bit longer
>The game apparently has some kind of unlockable skill thing or build or whatever
Whew, almost wasted my time on this trash. I hate how millennials always sneak jarpig shits into everything

>>719163209
it seems to be a huge turn on for a lot of anons for some godforsaken reason, personally I'm neutral about it

>>719162221
Regardless of questions about difficulty, ammo and health upgrades are immediate, tangible rewards that you get for exploring. That will always beat getting some idol you can sell at one hidden store for cash

>>719163486
The fuck you on about?

>>719163495
It makes it feel like a cartoon when most metroidvanias have serious settings. I can feel that you certainly feel neutral about it because I bet nobody actually likes it, they just accept it.

>>719162639
God I fucking wish Hollow Knight was as fun to control as Mega Man X

>>719161950
Exploration is its own reward.

>>719156102

I told my Mom that if my younger brother's new girlfriend wanted to join our family then Daddy (me) got the first taste.

And my younger brother had to watch.

>>719154026
I can agree but people treating silksong like half life 3 will always look weird to me

>>719163712
Hollow Knight has more air time so it is.

I think people hate Hollow Knight because the fanbase is annoying as fuck claiming it's the best metroidvania ever, despite some of them being exposed to never have played any other game in the genre.

>>719163486

You find new items, abilities and upgrades as the game progresses but there are no skills.

>replay hollow knight in preparation for silksong
>the backtracking is worse than I remember
everything else is as good as I remember, especially the movement
I'm hyped for what they comes up with for playing as Hornet. I like the needle charge.

>>719162620
I think more of the praise for HK’s combat comes from its boss fights which at the higher level can be fairly chaotic, that’s probably the majority of it. Take Megaman X for example, people love the movement but the bosses are relatively very simple with simple patterns. HK’s combat movement is similar to those games, but as you get further the bosses are typically more complex. I’m specifically thinking of X4 since that’s the first game where you can play the whole thing as Zero and Zero does have more moves technically, but they generally just serve the purpose of being a specific boss’s weakness.

>>719163789
Being in the air is not desirable

>>719163898
Retard

SHAW

>>719163748
youre a pathetic faggot

>>719163776
Start looking at the competing game releases coming up and maybe you can brain it out.

Why do all the boss themes sound the exact same?

>>719155647
i mean if you filter out the top 5 spots each year or whatever you get rid of all the cod shit, and then the bottom rows would be filled with tons of great games just like the top.

EDINO

GREGORY

it was okay, absolute not the masterpiece zoomers claim it to be
will play silksong because there's a lot that can be improved about HK, such as the horrible pacing, low combat variety, excess backtracking, monotonous boss fights

>>719153937 (OP)
Hollow Knight faggots are loud obnoxious newfags. They are the Undertale/Deltarune fags of the metroidvania genre.

>>719153937 (OP)
nintendies love it because it came out during a completely dry spell for them as far as any even remotely decent games were concerned, and it was dirt cheap. theres a reason why switch sales dwarfed pc sales for the game.

>>719164258
I remember people were like "omg Metroid Dread will be in TROUBLE because of Hollow Knight!!!" and it was fine.

>>719153937 (OP)
Try not being a retard.
>>719154026
Dropped Symphony of the Night. Completed Hollow Knight.
HK is better than SotN.
>>719155647
Cope, seethe and dilate.

>>719153937 (OP)
The game gets the praise it does because it's earned it, and only the retarded contrarian faggots on this shitheap board could ever deign to disagree.

>>719163658
https://hollowknight.fandom.com/wiki/Category:Spells_and_Abilities_(Hollow_Knight)
>>719163815
>You find new items, abilities and upgrades as the game progresses but there are no skills.
Yeah, that sucks. I prefer when I can just play my character as it is, or if there’s progression then it’s a fixed progression where new mechanics are clearly intended for later levels or stages, and the game just gets progressively harder. That way, the point of the game is to master the mechanics precisely instead of dealing with jarpig nonsense. It’s kind of a shame, because I like the atmosphere

>>719162501
>bosses like nosk
>>>>>>>>nosk
i understand that optional bosses are fun, but why did you bring up the worst bossfight in the game okay, 2nd worst after the big moss thing

>>719155647
Those are all shit. What is your point?

>>719164350
Dropped HK, completed SotN multiple times, it has 0 tedious moments while HK is a complete slog.

>>719163873
now that you said it I totally understand the praise. boss fights are pure skill issue even with the "limited" or "basic" MC's combat

>>719154026
It's got an art style. I guess it's just not for me, though. Just black and white. I've tried playing it twice and it's not particularly fun. I'm having more fun with shadow labyrinth and it's infuriatingly frustrating due to its shitty controls.

>>719164497
Anon, please. He's only going to post more newfag buzzwords in response to you.

>>719164497
>it has 0 tedious moments
inverted castle has entered the chat

Facts
>Geo should have been scrapped entirely and every shop item should have been put in place of those gay little statues you can sell
>The ghost mechanic is shit and rancid eggs are the worst reward I've ever received for exploration in this genre

>>719164497
Churning out thoughts in your dopey retard brain must be a slog too.

>>719153937 (OP)
>>719155647
>>719155789
It is the best metroidvania, and yes I had played SotN and Super Metroid, I'm in my late 30s.

>>719164329
noone said that

>>719164497
SotN is boring as fuck. Zero challenge. Half the game is literally the same map but lazily inverted and you retards gobble it up.
Also the GBA games look better.
You are embarrassing.
>>719164620
You have a buzzbrain.

>>719164646
Even the people who liked HK agree with that. But you're probably a paid pajeet shilling for Silksong.

>>719164659
It's top 10 probably but certainly not the best

>>719154026
>you can't deny that it's a very polished
I'll deny it. The camera and movement are fucking awful. There's nothing polished about it and to this day I'll never understand how this game even got so popular, I must've been in a coma when it released because I don't remember any hype about it.

>>719160838
How the fuck do you people come to conclusions like this? You are such a faggot.

>>719164704
Still better than Hollow Knight.

>>719162603
Who cares
This is like oldfag retards complaining about piss filters or whatever

>>719164694
Why even post this

Is it just me or are Shazamtrannies really losing influence lately? Every day it seems like more and more people just laugh at them instead of taking them seriously.

>>719164718
>durr even the people who enjoy HK agree that the game is a 'complete slog'
Retard.

>>719164843
By not being retarded.

>>719156101
The lack of inertia in movement really helps sell the "shitty newgrounds game" style.

>>719164897
people are bored to tears waiting for silksong, we're in the final stretch and have nothing better to do

>>719164912
In some parts, like the beginning, Jesus anon you're very dumb.

Is Spyro 2 a metroidvania? I have to do forced backtracking after unlocking new abilities (swimming, ladders, headbutts)

>>719164973
What do you expect of someone who couldn't even beat SOTN?

>>719164360
??? Why did it earn it other than "made by 2 guys!!!!" same shit as that boyhood movie, it's a bad movie but it just has that gimmick, same as this game, it's a bad game but it has that gimmick

>>719164924
You could get your skull cracked open and wind up a vegetable on a hospital bed and it would have zero impact on how you form your thoughts.

>>719164350
>Dropped Symphony of the Night. Completed Hollow Knight.
>HK is better than SotN.
HK niggers will say shit like this and then expect to be treated like people.

>>719164360
It's a 7.5/10 game treated as 11/10 by zoomers who only every played 4/10s, it definitely does not deserve the praise when you compare it to games that have actually innovative gameplay, or beautiful visuals, or memorable music, or an actual story integrated into the gameplay, or all of it at once etc

Why is the shill behavior always to shit on beloved classics? This is how they tried to sell you DmC.
It seems like shills can't just like HK, they have to hate Castlevania and Metroid in the same sentence.

>>719164258
>nintendies love it because it came out during a completely dry spell for them
During the first year of the switch when there was a new game every month? That's a "dry spell" for you?

>>719164897
>Is it just me or are Shazamtrannies really losing influence lately?
I mean, with all the shit happening with Sony they've been on full damage control there rather than attacking other games like they usually do.

>>719165006
No

Castlevania, Hollow Knight and Metroid are all good. Different enough from each other to be good on their own merits.

>>719165449
Why not?

>>719153937 (OP)
its the best metroidvania to exist. any/all attempts at refuting this can be chalked up to senile boomers naturally bitter that zoomers got the perfected formula while they were served up boring ass snoozefests. LMAO theyll forever be mad.

>>719164896
calling you out on a lie. why would you post such a retarded fib

SHAW
EDINO
GIT GUD
HADANE

>>719165506
>retard zoomzoom thinks his game opinions matter
lmao >>719155647

>>719155647
grim
dire, even

>>719165251
>Why is the shill behavior always to shit on beloved classics?
maybe because HK is constantly compared to them and let's be honest they have plenty of poor aspects that get overlooked simply because they pioneered the genre

>>719153937 (OP)
Even on reddit they think it's boring

>>719164973
>makes an absolute statement
>walks it back because you're a retard who can't finish his thoughts
Don't call me an idiot when you're the stupid cunt who can't communicate his own ideas properly.

>>719165052
How's his dick taste?

>>719160838
You sound homosexual.
>>719164863
I have never played a better metroidvania. It's all contrarians hating on popular things as per usual on /v/.
I like the pixel art in SotN and obviously, exaggerations aside, it isn't a bad game but the GBA games genuinely look better and the gameplay is underwhelming, it feels like you never have to concentrate, it's all so mindless.

>>719165761
Alterantively most people who think it's boring have the personality type of this redditor

>>719165761
>posting redditor opinions as if that validates your position
holy shit the boomers are malding

>>719155647
>japshit
beyon grim

>>719165152
It's true.

>>719165761
/v/ contrarians confirmed for plebbitors kek.

>>719165761
>he actually browsed reddit to validate his opinion
the absolute state of this board holy shit

>>719165102
Because they made a vast, interconnected world that's easy to get lost in but also easy to make your own path through. Games giving an actual sense of adventure is so rare and HK pulls it off. Calling it a bad game is absolutely ludicrous.

>>719165238
It's an 8/10 that gets treated as a 2/20 by the hopeless troglodytes on this board. It does all the things you listed very well, other games can do better in certain areas but very few get the whole picture together like HK does.

>>719164694
i said that

>>719165761
>one person's opinion on a website millions of people use is representative of that website

Hollow Knight is definitively mid and the praise for it is social in nature, basically a circle jerk so young people can establish the idea that they have formed an opinion on something that is right

This is delusion of course. I think it's a 6/10. The forced souls mechanic had me dump it after like four areas, just total downer of game design for no justifiable reason

Music?
Good
Artstyle?
Good
Gameplay?
Good
Story?
Good
Atmosphere?
Good

What's not to like?

>>719165909
I have never played a worse Metroidvania. I don't hate Hollow Knight because it's popular, I hate it because it's shit.

>>719166328
I don't think it's a bad game, but when you've played games that have far better music and artstyle and gameplay and story and atmosphere it's hard to justify the insane hype and overblown reception

>>719166319
>>719166332
(You)

>>719166328
I really strongly actively dislike the art style and actual art. I can't remember any music from it. Gameplay is bad (metroidvania without equipment)

>>719166332
If you think it's literally shit you have to be stupid.

>>719166393
Name one metroidvania with better combat. If you're going to say Ori, Blasphemous or Nine Sols don't even waste my time with a shit answer.

>>719166328
>mediocre
>bad
>trash
>irrelevant
>trash
Why should I like this game again?

>>719166291
>posting a random Reddit post with two upvotes at me
What the fuck are you doing you actual, unironic retard?

>>719166393
It's hard to find a single game with one of those elements that's good, I hardly doubt you played games with all of them being good.

>>719165909
>, it feels like you never have to concentrate, it's all so mindless.

Video games used to be something you did to have fun, not just your entire life as you decay in your chair. It doesn't surprise me that this is totally lost on 20 somethings.

I maintain the truth that most of you are just generally normies and would not have been video game players in the 80s/90s.

>>719162817
>He's a bug
So is everyone else in the game

>>719166328
Sounds like an average video game, middle of the line.

>>719166475
Gucamelee

>>719166453
I don't think you understand the level of contempt I have. I would unironically play Metroid 1 over it, and would enjoy it far more.

>>719166424
>metroidvania without equipment
No rpg shit is a good thing

>>719166520
Only if you exclusively play games released in the past 15 years, but only a clueless zoomer would do that, you're not a clueless zoomer are you

>>719166475
Order of Ecclesia.

>>719164912
Damn

>>719166424
>>719166484
I don't believe you.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zRs58D34OLY

You are contrarians for the sake of it.

>>719166475
Grime

Hollow knights combat is not fun, it's tedious. The player feels weak and not having weapons and shit in a metroidvania removes the reason to play the genre

You guys fetishize difficulty a lot and you fail to understand that life is not about video games for so many other people. I don't really want single player games like metroidvanias to be super hard, that's what multiplayer is for

It blows my mind to see people suck off this game and Wuppo was barely ever mentioned

>>719166475
>Hollow Knight fag deluding anybody into attempting a genuine conversation with him
haha

>>719166678
That doesn't sound good at all you deaf moron.

>>719166678
This does nothing at all for me and if you think it's great it just suggests you are young and haven't listened to much music

>>719166475
No one plays Metroidvanias for their combat. If I want combat I’ll play an ARPG instead of just getting an inferior experience layered on top of a different genre.

>>719166683
>parryslop

>>719164912
These are the Hollow Knight fans damn

>>719166521
Nice try, I am 36.
I have fun when I'm stimulated. SotN is too mindless to be fun.

>>719154026
>polished
fuck no

some nigger in the other thread had a breakdown over hollow knight not being worshiped LMAO hollow knight fans are literally crazy and expect you to love the game or be subjected to gruesome inhumane torture

>>719166782
>If I want combat I’ll play a shitty version of a real action game

>>719163709
it's not a particularly inspiring setting, cartoony bugs look neither cool nor threatening, and they lack facial expressions that would make them more intense and relatable.
I do really like the atmosphere and the mellow, moody backgrounds though.
The upcoming Mariachi Legends on the other hand looks like it's gonna knock it out of the park when it comes to presentation

>>719166782
Bingo. Like when people post all these videos of withering waves having better animations than genshin. 100 times more people play genshin because the game is about exploring a fantasy world not looking at animations. Same concept

>>719166678
I mean it’s fine but really nothing outstanding. It’s no brinstar

>>719166521
Let me guess, you're the type of retard that thinks Ninja Gaiden on the NES is "cheap" and "unfair".

>>719161029
I love it because of that. The paths of progression are rarely nebulous/annoyingly context sensitive like in a lot of its peers. No matter where you go, you will almost always find progress and know when to pivot.

>>719166562
The average videogame is bad in all departments.
You don't know what you're talking about.
>>719166592
I'm not saying this to offend but you might be mentally ill.
I don't think about SotN at all.
>>719166627
No, in the past too, even if games might have become worse on average.

>>719166951
I beat Nina gaiden on the nes when I was 8, anon. Lol.

>>719167001
>No, in the past too,
Then you're simply wrong because games in the past had better art and music and innovative gameplay by default compared to HK

>>719153937 (OP)
don't you dare insult castlevania like that

>>719167001
It's a Hollow Knight thread you moron, of course I'm thinking about Hollow Knight.

>>719166727
>>719166778
Okay post metroidvania music you think is better right now.
>>719166917
>brinstar
Is this a joke?
Talk about nostalgia goggles.

>>719167050
No Castlevania or Metroid game has a better overall soundtrack than Hollow Knight.

>>719158404
Rondo of Blood > Symphony of night

>>719167258
Super Metroid has a modest soundtrack but they're all fucking insanely atmospheric and memorable, HK has 2 hours of generic forgettable orchestral music

>>719166894
>it's not a particularly inspiring setting, cartoony bugs look neither cool nor threatening, and they lack facial expressions that would make them more intense and relatable.
I don't agree.
>>719163709
HK is serious. Have you even played it?

>>719167256
I normally wouldn't go back and forth with a kid like you but you are going to stunt your appreciation of music by pretending that crap is good to try to win internet arguments.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RXdddCaALKc

>>719167258
0/10 troll, here's your cookie out of derisive pity.

>>719167258
this is why nobody takes hkfags seriously

>>719167375
It cannot really come off as serious with the art style, nothing has weight

I had to laugh when the new game showed a ripped off binding of Isaac enemy within seconds when I noticed a ripped off binding of Isaac enemy within first hour of the first game

>>719167256
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UImoQhzaOJk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E3aNm-K82UM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SStr7mtV2Vo

>>719167396
This is too loud and in your face.

>>719167557
>Harpsichord music is "in your face"

Indian

>>719167050
Fake news.
>>719167162
You talked about contempt.

>>719167593
For a game, yeah. Especially for a metroidvania where you have to hear it over and over again.

>>719167649
No.

>>719167509
That's a you problem.

>>719167649
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=mkwwAaQEZ38

Go with relaxed vibe then.

>>719167396
This is unfitting as a video game track. No ambience whatsoever.

>>719167757
No it's not, you're completely retarded.

>>719167728
Deeply connecting with stories of non human extremely looking characters is something I see in young browns

I'll be honest, discussion here has lost value to me because I know half of you are brown and I could just not care less about what you feel or think or anything. The internet was for me and you have spoiled it with your very presence. I am so tired of your underdeveloped, no concept of reading books, brown, grew up on phones "uhh akshually the story of my little pony is very mature"

>>719167396
>>719167553
Get mogged by a platformer lmao
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=me3Me0jikwE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3YtsB8DoyJE

>>719166665
oh no, not a reddit posts with no updoots...

>>719167553
>The Messenger
based

>>719167757
You should probably play the game so you can experience it coming on and then laugh at how wrong you were. Probably one of the most fitting tracks in gaming history

>Ambience
It's not ambient music. It's parlor music. It's drawing you actively into a sense of place. This is called effort combined with expertise.

>>719166683
>cope because he got filtered

>>719167841
Sorry I'm not going to listen to others links posted here I notice increasingly that opinions of people here are just valueless (due to brown and age)

>>719167914
It would actively take you out since it hogs all the attention from the actual gameplay.

Try to find a post with a ton of replies to it that have them less then a minute apart. If you can't it's a samefag.

>>719168013
How the fuck are you so low IQ that you can't play games without generic orchestral strings or else it takes you out of the game?

>>719168013
I think people who have played the game would report a widely different experience on that. You aren't capable of judging what "would" happen in scenarios.

>constant whining that he doesn't like the game isn't convincing anyone
>just starts spamming "brown brown brown"
lmao

>>719168105
>hating on a game made by cool white people
>surprised that people are saying it's brown thirdie cope

This is just TORTanicfagging right. People that just want the game to fail so they can shitpost?

>>719168172
You are saying a guy with black hair and black eyes named Ari is white

Of all the Igavania games, Symphony has one of the worst.

i think even the people who love metroid and sotn and despise hollow knight can agree that ori is a soulless slopfest

>>719168235
No. I would be extremely happy if Silksong actually learned and didn't do the same shit that made the first game unbearable. But it won't.

>>719168235
This game is going to break /v/.
A cultural phenomenon on the order of Smash.

>>719167396
I will forget about this music in 5 minutes. I still think about Lace from time to time after years.

You posted super metroid music before, it's not like I dislike old videogame music, it's just that that music in particular is unremarkable.
This guy slaps and you remember his music.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GxDur7step8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SLOqRHi927g
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D97nGS1hi-4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Td0uePxV-WQ

>>719167553
Ecclesia is better but not on the same level as HK or Umemoto.

>>719155647
Probably the most favourite games of EU people. Especially in Italy.

>>719168238
Two aussies and a kike, yeah but that's still 2 out of 3.

>>719168235
worse, it's shazamniggery
>how are they different
shazamfags are all election tourist zoomers

also the bg3/e33 schizo latched onto it, like he does for every massively praised indie games. you can tell it's him if he starts accusing everyone of shilling

>>719168290
Better than Circle of the Moon.
I'd put it a little better than Dawn of Sorrow too but less from an objective quality metric and more because I feel Dawn of Sorrow was just milking the formula and a waste of time.

>>719168290
Only one really worth playing, lack of little touches/design resolution, screen resolution being generations behind on pretty much ruins the other ones. I tried to play the shanoa game recently and was surprised that it's literally garbage

>>719168332
I thought Ori was great, it was obviously a product of its time and was going to age poorly tho. The emotional story was nice and visually was beautiful

>>719168401
I understand that you don't have a complex relationship with music and it's mostly about video games for you. There just isn't a conversation for us to have here, if that "Lace" track is a standout to you, you don't actually listen to music for pleasure

>>719168290
It's slightly better than HoD but not by much. They both have the same major problems, a not great castle and being too easy, but HoD is also ugly and sounds like shit to top it all off.

>>719168347
Why do you think that? Genuine question. They had 7 years.

>>719168290
Meant to say one of the worst soundtracks.
>>719168497
As a game overall I'd definitely put it over Dawn.

>>719167840
Holy mother of projection. Hilarious. Very homosexual aura bro.
>>719167553
Replied before listenig to the Messenger, I dig it, bought it but never played it.

>>719168608
Because Hollow Knight already succeeded. Hollow Knight but more is literally the goal.

>>719168660
SotN has the clear best soundtrack of any Igavania. In the full series Rondo is the only one with a better one.

>>719153937 (OP)
Beauty in simplicity. It achieved what it set out to achieve and doesn't try to be more than that.

>>719168540
>I understand that you don't have a complex relationship with music and it's mostly about video games for you. There just isn't a conversation for us to have here, if that "Lace" track is a standout to you, you don't actually listen to music for pleasure
Wrong.

>>719168660
>Meant to say one of the worst soundtracks.
That's about as objectively wrong as a human can be about an opinion there, chief

>>719168401
I can't remember a single fucking song from Hollow Knight except for one that vaguely reminds me of the Cleric Beast song and the Souls series does not have good music.

>>719168930
Bro I listened to a few minutes of that first track you posted and it's just meaningless malphonic farting around. You don't listen to music. I strongly think your surinamese or some weird shit like that.

I've done it bros, I've actually taken a day off on the 5th to play Silksong.

>>719164429
i like nosk, hes fun
>shooting the projectile spell while hes dashing forward so he gets hit 2-3 times
such a sexy and widely applicable trick

>>719164609
>Shadow Labyrinth
It's quite interesting. The graphics might not be the best, but I'm enjoying the difficulty and surprising length of it.
It's also funny seeing so many people getting filtered by its checkpoint system.

>>719161495
Compared to Metroidvanias its pretty hard.
Not just on the surface level, but also that it requires you to monster a lot of the more advanced techniques to do Arena or the true ending bosses.

>>719169075
nice

>>719162817
dreary and gloomy =/= scary
you said it yourself, cartoony masks, not scary masks
>hes a bug
you will never guess what 90% the in game characters are

>>719169050
>meaningless malphonic farting around
kek
This is music you remember, that would fit in a Castlevania game. Reminds me a bit of Nier and SMT.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qaN4dAINg4g

The Castlevania OST is inferior to HK, sorry.

>>719166678
I like Hollow Knights music, but this sounds like a rough demo. Would not be surprised if the full game has an updated version with more polish.

>>719156207
>how long it takes
It's the main issue really, I got to the Hollow Knight boss, died once and stopped playing for a while and never came back, because I was just exhausted from that game.

>>719169250
>This is music you remember
Nope. It sounds like it belongs in a random Dragon Quest game.

>>719160430
like your mom lmao burn sick burn ice cold

>>719162603
>a whole setting is off limits to make things about because some retarded faggot thinks of tumblr when he sees that setting
maybe you should just have spent less fucking time on tumblr, retard

>side scrolling action games should have uhhh, low tempo opera music

Browns have no relationship with music and don't understand it/can't listen to it right. Look at the entire library of mexican music. One-two tuba beat.

>>719169250
That doesn't sound anything like SMT music.

>>719166863
>how does a bong work why does a lighter make the water boil instantly?

>>719170136
Guacamelee has good music.

You can't just blame everything on fucking zoomers all the time.
>Zoomers don't play games they only scroll tiktok
>No actually they play games but only gacha and minecraft
>No actually they don't play gacha they only play live service like Fortnite and league
>No actually they also play indie games they shill to oblivion like undertale and hollow knight
>Hollow knight has sold 15 million units ONLY from zoomers
Look yourself in a mirror and realize there is more to video game discourse than tribalism and generational war.

>>719161938
that you grew up both poor and friendless if you never played wii sports
hope things are going better now

>>719153937 (OP)
No metroidvania has better atmosphere than Hollow Knight. It also respects the player enough to let them get lost.

>>719170067
It's not off limits, it's just not notable as exceptional or original

>>719171210
>No metroidvania has better atmosphere than Hollow Knight.
Super Metroid.

>>719171210
Aquaria

>>719171079
>he comes to this shithole for video game discourse
i tip my fedora to you, good sir!

>>719171275
Metroid games have ugly looking worlds and their music never inspires anything.

It's not that great

>>719171381
No they don't. Yes it does.

Honestly Hollow Knight is genuinely one of the better games on this board that people play and I don't know where this narrative came up that it's a shit game besides 4chan contrarianism.

>>719171381
nope, super metroid is spooky, varied, and the music creates an incredible ominous aesthetic, HK is just grey boredome, it's almost as bad as ds3

>>719171417
>doesn't even bother with true ending and moves on
forsen my nigga

La Mulana mog them.

>>719171570
>grey boredome
you could've AT LEAST taken a cursory glance at the game before shitposting. Has trolling as an art fallen this hard?

>>719153937 (OP)
>not seething btw, 7 years of silence, kickstarter, journobait, better indies

>>719164245
Are you still pretending there is a metroidvania genre?
It was a completely dead garbage before HK came, everything that came out since has been clearly dickriding Hollow Knight anyway

Can we admit picrel is king of indie metroidvanias?

>>719171570
>super metroid is spooky
lmao even a 5 year old wouldn't be scared by that game

>>719164881
>name 10
>names 10
>lol who cares

>>719171079
I mean I literally think people glaze hollow Knight (to borrow your lingo) because
1. They haven't played many games
2. Younger people are desperate for "their own" things but they are not getting things of the same quality and relevance as millennials and gen x and even boomers in terms of pop culture, so they are falsely elevating things

I don't go on and on about it but it's like Undertale and, before that, Harry Potter. Etc etc

>>719171639
La Mulana's shit and only contrarians tell themselves otherwise because they jerk off about how "hard" it is.

>>719164720
>It's top 10 probably
Metroid and Castlevania have more than 10 games combined

>>719171698
I dislike it. King is wuppo

>>719157098
>hitbox combat
?

>>719171504
It came up because I played the game and thought it was trash. Nothing more, nothing less.

>>719171726
counterpoint: boomers pretending like nothing new can be deserving of praise is annoying and stale.

>>719171936
Post playtime

>>719153937 (OP)
Hollow Knight was my first Hollowlike
or "metroidvania" as the old fuddy-duddys say

>>719171698
It's not much of a metroidvania, but it is very good.

>>719172105
That wasn't the argument that was made. If you can't make a cogent response don't bother

Literal hive mind

>>719153937 (OP)
>I really don't understand why this game is getting so much praise and why people are so excited for silksong.
They're bugs posting on internet

>>719172326
>but they are not getting things of the same quality and relevance as millennials and gen x and even boomers in terms of pop culture, so they are falsely elevating things
is your argument no? I'm telling you that sometimes there isn't any "false elevation" and boomers don't want to accept that a modern game is good

>>719171079
>realize there is more to video game discourse than tribalism
>he says in a Hollow Knight thread

>>719154095
That's what you get for going around calling baby's first metroidvania a "masterpiece."

>>719172158
15h. Why?

>>719153937 (OP)
Never played it but I assume
>cheap
>decent game
>recognizable artstyle
It's enough to get people on board. Meanwhile, modern games be charging a whole lot more, look kinda generic, and tend to play it too safe.

>>719172441
And I'm telling you that you don't have the perspective to evaluate that. I bet you aren't even a white pc gamer, in which case your thoughts are less than zero to me

Zote? Neglected.
Grimm? Banished.
Godhome? Cheated.
Yep, looks like I'm ready for Silksong.

>>719172864
And everyone else who has reviewed and rated the game has no perspective either?

>>719153937 (OP)
>It's a good game
>Many people enjoyed it
>There was a long gap of time in between this game and the next game that allowed anticipation to build
Hope this helps, OP.

>>719173140
Yes.

>HK hater is just a /pol/tard
Shocker

>>719173140
I don't think about ratings or reviews or really the opinions of other people at all

At the same time you should understand that ratings and reviews are one of the chief tools used to falsely elevate media properties. Video game reviews have been paid off since the 90s and you should pay literally zero attention to them

>>719158382
It's fun. It starts a little slow until you get more abilities and then it comes into its own. A very comfy game.

>>719173391
What are your criticisms of the game?

>>719169603
Delusional.
>>719170423
It reminds me a bit of something, the piano, the singing, but I can't remember now what off the top of my head.

>>719172441
>I'm telling you that sometimes there isn't any "false elevation"
True, but not in this particular case

I also tried this game out recently. Gave it about an hour and dropped it when I found out you have to buy basic shit like fucking map markers. If they're going to milk you and force you to use shoehorned in currency mechanics just for basic fundamental Metroidvania mechanics like filling in the fucking map, I don't trust this game to be a worthy investment of my time.
There are also zero movement options within that first hour. You literally just hold a direction on the D-Pad until you reach the other side of the screen, with no movement tech to speak of on the way. The good Metroidvanias all give you some kind of tech you can do right from the start and just build onto it, whereas in Hollow Knight it feels like they gutted it completely to give a false sense of progression when you find basic shit you should have had from the fucking start. Reddit-tier game if I've ever seen one.

>>719170136
They can have anything. It depends on what the developers want to convey.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LonjfcZ7rP8

>>719161828
Indie is WAY better than the current state of industry slop.

>>719173763
Oh no a whole hour without upgrades how awful. And people say zoomers have ADHD.

>>719171275
>Super Metroid.
>when Fusion exists
Nintrannies are so delusional kek.

>>719173749
Why do you believe that?

>>719165761
It starts a little slow, but it gets good in like an hour or two. 15 to 20 hours and you should mostly be finished the game...

>>719173642
It's not fun. It's ugly. It's based on slowly running around back and forth looking for shit which is the most unimaginable drag possible. The designs are super boring except the little words they say which are the best aspect of the game. The soul recovery mechanic adds nothing to the game except a layer of anxiety that I absolutely hate playing under, it's like when beat em up games used to have time limits. Can't be rationally explained as a good gameplay mechanic.
You don't get weapons and armor and stuff which is the point of designing a game like this
It's difficult slop; I am old and I see multiplayer games as for difficulty. Single player games are for fun. Difficulty slop encourages this ugly community of people who have nothing better to do than replay the same game autistically and I just dislike it for leaning into that with the boss updates

It ripped off enemy designs from binding of Isaac and old cartoons.

>>719173942
I have actually played good video games, zoomer. A Metroidvania with zero movement tech out of the gate is a massive red flag, you just haven't played enough video games to be able to recognize when shit fails on a basic level.

>>719173957
Fusion is inferior to SM.

>>719171570
People that refer to souls games as "ds1" or "ds3" out themselves as newfags because the acronym we always used is DaS, DeS, DaS2 etc.

>>719174002
I'm aware of the game's qualities and the disproportionate, almost cult-like reverence it gets

>>719153937 (OP)
It doesn't have an i-frame dash for most of the game which automatically makes it better than most metroidvanias.

Does anyone else find the storytelling in Souls inspired games really annoying and pretentious? It's like they intentionally make a very basic plot as vague as possible so that heckin epic lore videos can be made to generate online discussion/circlejerk. It comes across as cynical and manipulative like they're trying to foster a cult mentality by making the game seem more meaningful than it really is.

>>719174132
In terms of exploration freedom yes. In terms of literally everything else fusion blows it out of the water.

>>719174389
But this game has LITERALLY nothing to do with Souls and takes ABSOLUTELY NO inspiration from them WHATSOEVER and only a CONTRARIAN or REDDITOR would say otherwise?

>>719174390
>visuals
No.
>music
Fuck no.
>combat
Sure, I can give you that.

>does anyone else
Kill yourself

Since when is "playing many games" a good thing?
You're not a better gamer for playing shit.
I'd sooner listen to someone that handpicks the games he plays than some sperg that plays pretty much anything with no discernment.

>>719174581
>Souls is when hard bosses
Also none of the lore in HK is vague if you pay attention. Not nearly as egregious as Elden ring

>>719174645
True, that's why having enough discernment to be able to drop a game after about an hour because you can tell it's going to be a waste of your time, and spending that time on better games instead, is a good thing.

>>719173763
kek
This is the average HK naysayer.

>>719174645
Direct representation of experience and neurotypicality

Video game discussion is full of people who are autistic and can't offer good opinions because they have played 2 games for 20 years. They don't like video games broadly and cannot discuss them

It is extremely unsurprising that you posted the image you did, pricey shovelware representative of the group I am talking about precisely

>>719174132
In atmosphere? You're insane.

>>719174802
>hears Souls
>immediately thinks muh hard
As if further evidence of HK niggers being Soulsfags in denial was needed

>>719174829
How many hours does it take for the movement to become fun? How long is the game? Most Metroidvanias are less than 10 hours long, from what I've played 10% of the entire game is unfun because the dev thought it was more important to give you a forced sense of progression by giving you an excessively gutted moveset than to make the game fun to play from the beginning.

>>719174389
No because I'm not a contrarian faggot and I have taste.

>>719174980
What else would you be referring to man come on. You’re not fooling anyone

>>719174992
Once you get the double jump it opens up fully but getting that can take 6-12 hours out of the ~25 it takes to beat the game. You get a dash before then though.

Ender Lililies
Yes or No?

>>719175282
No, intrinsically bad design..ffs so many games you could emulate or just pick better

If you want a good metroidvania pick up grime, ender Lillies has terrible level design and 8 bit bad game boss design

>>719174389
it's convenient for the devs but I like it because it sets a mood without getting in the way, lorefags can pick at it and put the pieces together while people like me can just ignore most of the plot and keep playing without being interrupted by some retard monologuing

>>719174817
>dropping good games means you have discernment
>>719174836
>They don't like video games broadly
I like videogames but the average videogame is shit. I can smell the shit from a mile away at this point. And then there are good games I'm simply not interested in.

Anyone that plays a lot of games is bound to have shit taste and no discerning ability because it means he plays a lot of shitty games.
Pic related is the average metroid fan.

>>719175279
>it takes longer than an entire playthrough of a classic Metroid or Castlevania game for Hollow Knight to become fun to play
That's fucking insane. Judging by that game length it seems like the dev fell for the "more playtime = better" meme as well.

>>719175481
Or it means they have been around, dumbass. I've played video games since 1986. I play probably 2-4 new games a year now but how many do you think I've played total? Duhhhhhh

Zoombrains at work. This is what happens when a 73 is a B.

>>719174992
if you know what you're doing, probably about 20 minutes to get the dash and the wall jump, at which point the movement becomes very fun even without the double jump

if you don't know what you're doing, maybe an hour. The game is 20 hours long but the intro section where you have no movement is very short

>>719175196
>general setting and state of the world (post collapse, everything sucks, literal mindless husks etc.)
>vague bullshit "lore"
>nicks dying gimmick wholesale
>firmly believes tedium equals challenge
And while I don't think it's fitting
>"simple" gameplay fans jerk off to no end

>>719174960
Yes. Fusion is literally only better than SM in combat.

>>719171704
can confirm, I literally got SM when I was 5 and was never scared by it

>>719175615
I may give it another shot then if dash and walljump are right around the corner from me. It still gives a terrible first impression to not have anything at all in the beginning, though. Indie devs in general study too much Vania and not enough Metroid. The second you land on the surface in Super you can sequence break the entire game and even do the bosses in reverse order if you're good enough. Most of these indie Metroidvanias feel way too locked in.

>>719175282
yes. Ender Lilies and Magnolia are both great. also Nine Sols isn't even a real metroidvania but it's still the best game in the entire genre

>>719174992
you get a dash that sucks ass fairly early on and a very basic and shitty shinespark not long after
double jump is fairly late in
the pogo jump is the most fun movement option you get and the game does nothing with it

>>719175751
>Fusion is only better in [The vast majority of the game experience]
Wow you sure showed me

Fusion plainly isn't better than super Metroid and that's a bizarre attempt at changing reality not just having an opinion

Culturally one game is absolutely legendary, on Mt. Rushmore, the other is a direct to video sequel associated heavily with toys r us in my mind

>>719175991
Confirmed retard who didn't beat the game and lacks both soul and creativity. Not only are multiple endgame areas built upon the foundation of the pogo ability like White Palace, but nearly every sequence break in the entire game - breaks that can allow near-Super Metroid levels of freedom - rely exclusively upon the pogo mechanic and world objects.

>>719162736
Why do you think we've been saying it for so many years?

>>719175282
yes. it's infinitely better and more soulful than Hollow Knights.
ignore what anon >719175374
said because he's clearly retarded.

>>719175282
It's OK. Way better than Hollow Knight though.

>>719176324
>multiple endgame areas built upon the foundation
cool but I would've liked it leading to places other than blocked doors and shinespark walls during the main fucking game

>Muh Super Metroid!!!!
I liked Metroid Prime way more.

>>719177049
>40 fov console fps

No thanks. I used to know the lead programmer for that game, Zoid. He was a gigafat

>>719155647
This is kind of misleading because some of those games only sold in Japan and bombed everywhere else (Dragon Quest VI didn't even come out in America). This is the American chart. Judging from this the normification/slopification happened with the PS2 and Madden/GTAfags (accurate).

Game is great but after it came out we got a fuck load of goat metroidvanias. At the time of launch it was a cut above whatever anyone else was doing.

>>719163735
Not if nothing is happening.

>>719175501
It seems like a lot of the design choices revolve around artificially extending the length of the game and I'd say the same applies to most Soulslikes. I'd guess that the majority of the game for most players is wandering aimlessly through the same areas hoping to stumble across the right path to unlock, and doing long run backs to boss fights because lol the save point is miles away.

>>719177105
>This is kind of misleading because some of those games only sold in Japan and bombed everywhere else
I mean that still counts for something if they were so popular in Japan that they beat out worldwide sales for other games, it's not different than COD basically not selling in Japan at all yet western sales being so good anyway it doesn't matter

>>719177210
Well your guess is wrong lol

>>719177262
Japanese video games have always been better, I just don't want zoomers thinking that the average American was playing Dragon Quest in the 90s, because RPGs sold like absolute shit back then.

>>719174992
>>719175501
For me it's always fun.
>more powers = more fun
It's a you problem. Always the case with HK naysayers.

>>719175573
That's not a lot, retard.
There are people that play hundreds of (new) games per year here.

>>719177626
No, it's a you problem for having dogshit standards.

>>719175751
There's no way that ugly stain looking game that is SM has better atmosphere than Fusion.

>>719176116
>in my mind
We know.

>>719177815
Crateria after landing and the entirety of Maridia and the Wrecked Ship are better than anything in Fusion except for the SA-X's introduction. Literally anything.

>>719156247
it's hard as in
>bro! I'll strip you out of your possible abilities and give drain all your resources!
it's not hard but rather annoying. once you get it it's almost like celeste.

>>719177742
The game is good even without muh superpowers because the basics of combat are good.

>>719177105
I count maybe two good games on this list.

>>719177712
Yeah and their opinions are fucking meaningless since they play slop as was the point

Furthermore I can tell you didn't read the post correctly because you are BROWN

Don't you get that we DON'T WANT TO INTERACT WITH YOU? GO AWAY BLACK EYES NO SOUL

ITT: people being wrong.
Here's the real king.

>>719156247
kek, look at how angry people are getting at this very sincere post.
I fully share your sentiment, anon. Games don't have to be original, they just have to be fun.

>>719177959
It's not though, its combat is boring as shit for 10 full hours.

>>719178079
>N-NUH UH
Was that really the best you could do
Disappointing

Does Rain World count?

>>719178195
It's true. The combat fucking sucked.

>>719178460
Yes

>>719178476
I am of the opinion that the combat fucking sucked*

>>719178532
Glad you finally got some sense anon

>>719178680
>i was only pretending to be retarded

>>719178714
We know, it's alright
Everyone makes mistakes

>>719153937 (OP)
it's only because it's made by western developers
west LOVES to slurp up a soulless copy of japanese games
why do you think reddit LOVES expedition 33 so much despite aping everything from NieR and classic jrpg tropes? because its a western studio LOL

>>719178532
If it wasn't shit, it would have engaged me. It didn't, so it's shit. Floaty, weightless bullshit.

>>719161950
Extremely valid criticism that isn't just contrarian cope and something i hope becomes better in Silk Song with all the new types of equippables. Most charms are mediocre and all the money items are obnoxious to cash in

>>719178827
feel free to play FF16 instead, nobody stop you.

The only similar game to HK for me was Nine Sols. Blasphemous is meh. Blasphemous is one step forward one step back. Castlevania doesn't feel like HK at all. Don't care about genrefagging. Rabi-rabi is apparently high tier metroidvania but it didn't hit anything for me. Same fore all metroids.

>>719161950
Contrarian faggot

>>719178857
But how can the game be bad when I enjoyed it?
Clearly it means that you have bad taste and that your opinions hold no value.

>>719178857
You are a nigger.

>>719174389
It's literally just a nice easy way to spice up the generic premise of "stranger(MC) comes to town and beats up or kills a bunch of local legends". It's not pretentious, with this style of game where the MC doesn't have any companions you really only have 3 options: have virtually no plot at all, have a vague one, or have a cliche one

>>719174389
>Does anyone else find the storytelling in Souls inspired games really annoying and pretentious?
No, not at all, actually. It's nice to have lore fluff spread around, makes you more immersed in the game.
I have no idea why people like you are hellbent on getting offended by everything. Don't like it? Ignore it. Simple as.

>>719174389
No. It's a best part
>pretentious
I'm not sure you know the meaning of this buzzword desu