Thread 719157316

Why is replaying this so much less fun than replaying the souls games?

>>719157316 (OP)
Because of your mental illness.

Shit level design.

>>719157316 (OP)
That's funny, I'm having much more fun replaying Elden Ring than any of the previous Souls games, mainly because of the freeform, sandbox nature of the game

>replaying
>not just pushing into further NG+ cycles
Replaying is a chore, because you have to go through trouble to collect items for your new build every time. Which is especially awful if the weapon/spell you want to use is in the endgame.
NG+ is how these games were meant to be played. All those weapons made from the final bosses? You can actually use them now. Instead of hyperfocusing on one build, you have all sorts of fun weapons and spells to play with, and plenty of resources to use craftable consumables too. Tools for every situation, so you could optimize your approach to every encounter.

>>719157316 (OP)
Because the good parts are at the legacy dungeons and you spend most of your time in the open world, gathering shit for your build.
At most setting up a character has taken me around 10 hours before I can seriously start playing the game, and that was because I wanted some of the DLC weapons for my build.

Replaying DS3: Okay I'll just go get that Undead Bone Shard in the village while running to the next boss
Elden RIng: Okay I'll just spend 2 hours going to all the churches to get tears for my flask while making no progress towards beating anything

Because its open world. On NG+ you skip most of the side content because there is nothing worthwhile in terms of loot and runes. This means you spend a lot of time running around, pretty much from legacy dungeon to the next legacy dungeon. On a new game replay, the same issue is there but much more exacerbated as you will likely have to slog the side content just to level up some or get some useful weapon.

>>719157316 (OP)
You're burned out on the formula.

>>719157739
That's something you inflict upon yourself. But that aside, how is that WORSE than DS, which is NOT open world, and you CAN'T easily access the items you want to use by riding the magical horse?

>>719157316 (OP)
Open worlds have no replay value because their value comes from the novelty of exploration. Once you've explored the zones, there's nothing to discover. A tightly designed level is fun to play through repeatedly.

>>719157898
>good parts are the legacy dungeons
>how is that worse than DS, which is 100% dungeons?
Ok zoomie

ITT: brownoids once again filtered by the concept of negative space

In Souls games, you can use your knowledge of the game to route through in such a way that you quickly acquire the baseline items needed to make your build idea functional. This is fun, because it tests your knowledge of the game, and as you learn more about how the game is structured together, and build skill at defeating difficult bosses at lower levels, you gain access to more advanced sequencing which allows for different build ideas to come online at earlier and earlier points. In Elden Ring, this is profoundly unsatisfying because A) every character you make is going to have massive overlap in their sequencing order (e.g. always getting a bunch of golden seeds and tears of Marika right at the start), B) doing so just makes you overpowered to a tedious degree immediately without needing deep knowledge or a great degree of skill in the game, and C) it consists of an hour of running around on Torrent. So instead, you play through the game 'normally' without using your knowledge of previous playthroughs, but what constitutes 'normal' gameplay is unclear. You have to micromanage your own behavior for your progression to remain satisfying.

>>719158042
t. brownoid who thinks negative space means "literally empty"

>>719157316 (OP)
>>719157680
Yeah shouldn't ER replays be boss rushes with new builds or different routes? I don't really see much value going to every cave and tomb again.

>>719157898
Aside from my first playthrough of DS1, I don't think I've spent more than 10 hours on a playthrough. The game also doesn't waste my time because it's basically entirely a legacy dungeon.
I don't even hate ER so no need to get defensive. If I didn't like playing I would waste 10 hours to get my character set up just the way I want.

>>719158175
>I don't really see much value going to every cave and tomb again.
It's a meditative experience.

>>719157680
Sorry, I'm a dork. I need to see my character go from zero to hero and imagine a story for them in my head. NG+ feels hollow by comparison.

>>719157316 (OP)
too much downtime riding on torrent and grabbing items on a fresh character once you know where everything is.

>>719158321
You can't just deflect every criticism of boring gameplay by saying it's meditative. Boredom is a part of meditation, not its purpose. The purpose is presence, self mastery, and enlightenment. Elden Ring side dungeons offer none of those.

>>719158369
I mean, I get an urge to start from scratch too from time to time and make new characters. But I also strongly feel that playing in a way that renders 90% of the cool loot you pick up in the game irrelevant to your character, is a huge waste. Seeing your build come together is satisfying, but growing into a jack of all trades being able to wield every legendary weapon in the game equally effectively - is more satisfying.

>>719157316 (OP)
>Because of your mental illness.
fpbp. contrarians make these threads so that I get reminded of how good Elden Ring is.

>>719158369
Weren't the Tarnished already established warriors before they got summoned to the Lands Between? Also if you're RPing you'd be following the big yellow arrows on the map and make a beeline to Stormveil. There's absolutely no reason for your guy to visit other side areas other than gameplay purposes.

>>719158175
>I don't really see much value going to every cave and tomb again.
Those are just fun little dungeons, I never get tired of it, it's literally a thousand time better than most side content in any other game
>BUT MUH ARTORIA LEAF, WHAT ABOUT MUH REWARD
The reward is the dungeon crawling itself, midwits
I'm starting to think you faggots don't actually like dungeon crawling, and the concept of being a lone adventurer in a dangerous dark fantasy land
The only other games that give me the same lone adventurer feel are BOTW and TOTK

>>719158740
>Weren't the Tarnished already established warriors
OF NO RENOWN

>>719157316 (OP)
it has huge amount of side content, grind and horse riding.

>>719157316 (OP)
Progress in souls: you have to go through a dungeon and you have to fight a boss at the end of it. You have to do this with whatever levels and tools you have right there and then.

Progress in Elden Ring: lol just ride around picking up shit there's literally no real gameplay, and most of the game is optional (and there's no point to it) anyway.

Elden ring is closer to a third person ubisoft game than to for example dark souls 1, which had loads of metroidvania qualities and no "collection" gameplay

>>719158740
Who gives a fuck
There is the Wretch class which is the dedicated blank slate class
>As poor, purposeless and naked as the day they were born. A nice club is all they have.

Too much space between areas of interest and it's all very unstructured. You have to teleport across boring empty spaces to put together your ideal build together.

I still haven’t left limgrave, I avoid bosses and tough guys and prey on the weak NPCs

I dont have problem with most of game but there are bosses that even thinking about playing against them makes me wanna puke

>>719159040
if I want reflective horseback rides through spacious areas I'd rather play shadow of the colossus. it's what elden ring lifted from in the first place anyways.

>>719158989
>naked as the day they were born
uh

>>719157316 (OP)
Hijacking this a bit but what did the fandom think happened to Miquella before the dlc? Was he considered to be alive but dormant, or was he considered to be a semi-dead husk and Mohg was a schizo?

>>719159241
Name them, coward

>>719157316 (OP)
Dlc is good?

>its the most replayable souls game
bait used to be believable

>>719159592
>>its the most replayable souls game
DS2

>>719157316 (OP)
>start the game
>go grab reduvia from nerijus
>go to caelid, grab soreseal from fort faroth and kill greyoll
>in the span of 20 minutes you are now level 30 - perfect for stormveil, for extra power go to evergaol and get bloodhound sword so you can clear limgrave with a good weapon which doesn't need to be upgraded
>after godrick dies take +8 rapier from rogier
>build whatever the fuck you want with ease without farming or defeating bosses like pumpkinhead or tibia mariner just to level vigor to a reasonable level
there, fixed, now you can play the game.

>>719157316 (OP)
You made this thread yesterday and got btfo, pajeet

>>719159457
I only remember the latter. I miss when Mohg was a diabolical gay pedophile with AIDS.

>>719157480
>pic
Lmao no wonder browns seethe at ER

>>719157680
>Replaying is a chore, because you have to go through trouble to collect items for your new build every time.
You need to go out of the way to collect upgrade items instead of just playing the game and picking up shit along the way? You don't need a +25 weapon or fully upgraded flask.

>>719159654
There are so many ways to upgrademaxx fast in the early game
my favorite and simplest way is to do Varre's quest as soon as i possible, you can literally circle around Stormveil Castle to get in Liurnia, and then you can bumrush to Altus to get Varre's item by going through Ruin-Strewn Precipice in Liurnia.
Then, Mohg Palace, and big bird farming spot

because limgrave ends and you have to slog through the rest of the game.

If you've beaten the game once already your mindset should be
>Okay this time I won't level up at all
>I will not use bonfires or flask this time
and not
>Noooo I need to finish my golden seed and skibidi collection before I beat the first boss this is so boring!

>>719159462
Malenia, radhan dlc and mesmer. I cant handle their moveset

>>719160057
What's wrong with Liurnia of the Lakes?

>>719159865
It's not like upgrading your flask is even hard
You can rush like 5 churches and a dozen seeds without killing any more than the wyrm on the cliffside

>>719160201
???, you can get +10 flasks literally without killing anything

>>719158794
Based adventurer anon

>>719159962
don't you need to kill godrick to have him move to the church?
>and then you can bumrush to Altus to get Varre's item
also I don't know what you mean, finger maidens are in liurnia and limgrave, unless you talk about the offline invasion

>>719157316 (OP)
The fucking horse and the open world shit. Once you have all you need, you have zero reason to explore and it's just a boss rush. The reason so many people can enjoy a blatant cashgrab like Nightreign is because it has a proper multiplayer system and you skip the boring shit and go straight into constant fighting which is what these games ended up being all about, just glorified boss rush mode with a layer of illusion pretending to be a proper game. Fucking Nightreign has more story and proper character than elden ring proper. These games are so fucking stale and in dire need of new shit but Fromsoft are Japanese so they will continue to copy/paste forever until they suffer one major flop and maybe then they MIGHT reconsider changing things up.

>>719160057
Are you the retard that was filtered by Morgott?

>>719160057
elden ring doesn't turn to shit until leyndell (sewers excluded they were kino)

>>719157790
>Replaying DS3: Okay I'll just go get that Undead Bone Shard in the village while running to the next boss
The undead bone shard in the Undead Village is entirely off-route, retard
>>719157739
>Because the good parts are at the legacy dungeons
Wrong, the good part is fighting enemies and all dungeons and areas have that. If you don't enjoy the gameplay that's on you

>>719160912
>off-route
Don't care about your opinions and routes, speedtroon

>>719157316 (OP)
It isn't.
You just don't like Souls gameplay

>>719157316 (OP)
Because of the open world unironically. The other Souls games are comfy to replay and do everything again, the big open world and repetitive dungeons in Elden Ring makes it feel terrible. And if i was looking to skip everything to just rush then why replay in the first place.

>>719158794
>>BUT MUH ARTORIA LEAF, WHAT ABOUT MUH REWARD
Arteria Leaf is a great reward that allows a lot of fun gameplay option, and Elden Ring is all the more based for wasting the time of faggots not willing to engage with its deep and satisfying crafting system

I get flashbacks to BotW when I play Elden Ring. So many generic mob fights

>>719161235
Jokes aside, I do want to do an "adventurer" kind of playthrough one day, where I heavily utilize the crafted consumables. But for regular playthroughs, it's just, well, unnecessary. And slow. To use the pots optimally, you need to remember which element every enemy type is weak to, etc. Also, I wish you could just craft mid combat. I understand there's potential for abuse in PvP, but PvPers are all cheating already. They don't need to craft, they just cheat 999 of every consumable item.

>>719157680
Elden Ring definitely wants you to do a NG1/2 playthrough, but after that point the enemy damage reductions get over the top.
The game is balanced up to NG+3 if you're good. But beyond that point it is sweat city.

>>719161550
>Jokes aside,
I'm not joking
>I do want to do an "adventurer" kind of playthrough one day, where I heavily utilize the crafted consumables.
You can
>But for regular playthroughs, it's just, well, unnecessary
It doesn't matter, it's very advantageous, and near game changing in many situations
>Also, I wish you could just craft mid combat.
No point when there's so many things you can use

>>719157898
DS1 is a lot smaller than Elden Ring.
You could probably put the entire map of DS1 inside a single Elden Ring region.
A smart player has access to about half the game from the start, if they know what they're doing. And the game is small enough that its a hop, skip, and a jump to just about anywhere they wanted to go before Anor Londo.

>>719161804
>still uses the riposte
AHAHAHAHAHAHA
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>719161550
They mostly cheat because outside of the craftable items that were intended to be limited, the best consumables require heavy farming and you can't buy their components for some reason, like Embers of Messmer.
It's a pretty flawed system really, the game's not really heavy on a supposed "survival aspect" for the resources to be worth farming and the fact that some of those are actually that good especially on the PvP side of the game doesn't particularly encourage people to go through the tedium either, most of those consumables should have been spells or tools honestly.

>>719160145
>Liurnia of the Lakes
It looks sick when you arrive, but the middle is a giant mess of random stuff without much flow to it. The best way to handle the region is to just ignore the titular lake other than the dragon nest and approach the school from the rear.
Detour for Boggart if you want.

>>719161550
Using consumables is fun. Ironjar aromatics are hilarious

>>719162080
agreed, snowfields are better unironically

>>719161915
>Oh no I have to actually engage with the systems, put the proper talisman and kill enemies to obtain stuff as reward
Faggot
>They cheat because
Because people cheat. It has nothing to do with avaiability or not, some retards are just compelled to cheat and will always do given the chance.
You can get 12 embers of Messmer in 2 minutes, they are a 5% drop without any luck boost, but If all materials could be bought for runes they would be detatched from the lore that specifically places them on certain loot tables.
If some faggot wants to cheat to save himself a few minutes then whatever.
>the game's not really heavy on a supposed "survival aspect" for the resources to be worth farming
There's no survival aspect
You kill enemies and get material. Killing enemies is the gameplay, and the gameplay gives rewards

>>719162414
>i am happy that the game wastes my time
We already knew you were a jobless soulless NPC, no need to repeat yourself.

>>719162768
>Thinks killing enemies in an ARPG is a "waste of time"
Wilds exists due to people like you

>>719162414
You need three embers to make a single Fire Coil, it's not reasonable to waste so much time on doing laps around the Black Keep's entrance when tons of other consumable can be simply bought at the Round Table's shop.
I do not condone cheating, but the game does encourage it no matter how you look at it.
>If all materials could be bought for runes they would be detatched from the lore that specifically places them on certain loot tables.
So what exactly is the lore for the Twin Husks to have an unlimited amount of bones of turtle necks after I bring them a small orb and why can't I get a small orb to do the same with things like embers of Messmer?

>>719162821
>You need three embers to make a single Fire Coil
And you can make 10 fire coils in less than 3 minutes with the proper setup
>So what exactly is the lore for the Twin Husks to have an unlimited amount of bones of turtle necks after I bring them a small orb and why can't I get a small orb to do the same with things like embers of Messmer?
Because neither of those things can be farmed in concentrated encampment by slaying common enemies

>>719157316 (OP)
because 80% of the game is dogshit filler

>>719157316 (OP)
Sorry about your relative abundance of melanin

>>719163221
nice Dafne

>>719157316 (OP)
Open world makes it a slog.
You can endlessly make build and characters in non-openworld games. Elden Ring is simply too big with all the necessary shit for builds spread out.

>>719157385
FPBP as per usual
/thread

>>719157316 (OP)
If Elden Ring was bad, the spam and seething wouldn't be necessary

>>719163148
What proper setup?
You just run around the Black Keep's entrance with torrent by collecting them from static gathering points, exactly like you'd do with things like Rowa Raisins or Cracked Crystals, except both of these have at least the decency of being not just extremely common but also have more than just one piece per gathering point.
Trying to get them from enemies as a drop is just not viable because you'd need to have an enormous Arcane score AND farm other consumables like Silver Horn Tenders for the drop rates to become vaguely acceptable, and there's nothing interesting in doing laps around the Black Keep's library, it's just tedious busywork.

Let's be honest, the only reason why they do not let you access these consumables' components freely is because they're actually that good, which again, encourages cheating because why the fuck would you waste hours and hours of your time for something that should be a baseline and doesn't even make sense to be a consumable to begin with?
Why does the Ancestral Infant's Head somehow have an unlimited supply of magical water in it but I can't reuse a Spritestone? There's no coherency there.
Why did the turn Iron Flesh into a limited consumable with the Ironjar Aromatic after three games? Because Iron Flesh is really fucking busted and since they REALLY wanted to recycle things as is rather than rebalancing the math they chose to make it a strictly limited consumable buff this time around, too bad that only encourages people to cheat those things in now.
Again, I do not condone cheating but it's really not a big mystery that it's so rampant when it comes to consumables.

>>719162821
Why the fuck would a merchant sell embers of messmer in the first place? The bell bearings summon the personal effects of merchants and peddlers through casuality. The embers of messmer are leftovers of those embraced by Messmer's flame

>>719163221
Dafne seeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeex

>>719157480
this, I'm doing run after run, the game is majestic

>deliberately ignore crafting mechanic
>Get mad when the countless little creative vignettes all over the map have no "purpose"
>Complain that enemy that gets bodied by an item that intentionally has its crafting materials right by it is too hard

>>719163820
Retard

>>719163967
Why wouldn't they since you can just pick those up like berries?
Why would a merchant go around gathering Explosive Stones but not something like embers of Messmer? If they went through the trouble of picking up fucking tier 9 Somberstones why the fuck wouldn't someone gather embers of Messmer?

>>719164242
always good to see fromtrannies seethe.

>>719163454
>Dedicate your entire life to giving the game a negative perception
>It just makes you look like a retard

>>719164242
Silver Scarab does literally nothing for rare drops unless you already have 60 or so Arcane AND you add a Silver Horn Tender/Silver chicken foot, the Silver Scarab itself adds maybe 1-2% more to a 5% drop rate

>>719164358
>5%
>rare
kek do zoomers really

>>719157316 (OP)
If the world is open, so it is slop.

>>719164132
yea, I ignore the crafting,
why shouldn't I?
I can easily get a spell that get's rid of poison and red aids.
Ranged weapons are dogshit anyway.
Pots are a bother to refill and it's faster to just use my weapons.
Same for all the spell gimmick items it offers.
Weapon infusions? We have spells that do that too and you can't use them on most infusions.

So why in gods cursed earth, should I care about the fucking crafting mechanic?

>>719157316 (OP)
I'm playing it for the first time. Never played souls games, because the aesthetic seemed like a gookish parody of a "dark western fantasy" setting.
I'm in it, I'm enjoying it alright. The camps and the non-bosses are easy and enjoyable to slaughter. But the bosses man, how the fuck.

Can someone explain to me how you "git gud"?
Do I have to circle around, spend 4-5 times dying trying to memorize attack patterns and animations/triggers, and only press a button for an action when I can be 100% sure there's an opening for it?
Surely that can't be the game at its core. That's insanely retarded.
And what's the point of adding points to vigor, when a boss hits you once or twice your stamina is fucked and you stagger and get stunlocked and die no matter the length and girth of your red rocket bar.

I've spilt my bile, please teach me to become better.

>>719164548
Uninstall and play lies of P obviously

>>719157316 (OP)
Souls replayability is a meme.
>go through all the same content again, at roughly the same difficulty
>so you can... do a slightly different build!
>do you want to press R1 with this weapon? or R1 with that weapon? or do you want to be a fucking faggot and break the game with magic?
So boring.
Only game I enjoyed replaying was Sekiro because of the Shura ending (which has a different final boss), and demon bell + charmless (which is an actually meaningful difficulty spike). Plus I just find Sekiro's core gameplay more enjoyable than Souls. Yes it doesn't have the RPG elements of Souls but that shit is frankly just bloat.

>>719164548
you can play defensively again enemies to learn their patterns before you get aggressive at them
that way you don't need to die to learn

>>719164463
I'm pushing 40 but whatever you say, protip: it's only zoomers and underages with temporary unlimited free time who love to waste it on incoherent tedium

No crafting recipe should consume more than one unit of an ingredient.
No crafting ingredient should be acquired in amounts less than three.

>>719164595
I don't like gooky games, I bit the bullet on Elden Ring and I'll have to beat it. Never touching a souls game again afterward

>>719164504
Skill issue

>Try to play Elden Ring
>Mandatory 3 hour torrent ride running around collecting shit.

>>719164847
>Try to play Souls
>Mandatory 10 hours running around empty corridors

>>719164548
Im just done with caelid and haven't found the need to gitgud with ER yet. Seems easy enough since you can use summons and ashes, hide behind a shield and guard counter, easily overlevel, etc.
It's been easy in a flexible way unlike the Genichiro cockblock in Sekiro.

>>719164504
>Spellcaster
KEK

>>719164681
>I can't play the game for an hour I need to win NOW NOW NOW NOW
ok zoomie

>>719164548
>>Can someone explain to me how you "git gud"?
i'll give away the secret
99% of gitting gud lies in paying very close attention to the enemy animations so you know exactly when to roll
memorization isn't even that important

>>719164358
Quit lying you fucking retard
Even with the lowest arcane possible silver scarab gives you 175 discovery, turning a 5% drop rate to 9.5%
Lying shithead

>>719157316 (OP)
It's just too long. Especially if you include dlc.
Replaying it is pretty fun untill you get to the mountaintops again. Then it feels like a slog.
I like the haligtree too but unless you are very good that takes high effort to beat.

>>719157316 (OP)
This is the only souls game I ever wanted to replay.

>>719164548
Try to position in a way that messes with the enemy tracking

>>719157385
>>719163454
Daily reminder that /v/ermin and Shazamtroons lost and got raped.

>>719165167
And did you?

>watch er speedrun
>its 4minutes and the guy is glitching all over the map instant killing bosses
lmfao a spliced no hit run has more validity

>>719164358
Blatant lies
Is that what Fromseethers have come to?

>>719165249
Zips are their own category because they did kinda break the whole game
Most speedrun categories now will have no zips and nobody runs the zips category anymore

>>719165203
twice
i did the ranni ending all 3 times

>>719165181
>>719165069
But the bosses take up the whole screen it's just like trying to tell if a woman is smiling or not with your face clenched between her asscheeks.
But I will take your advice to heart, thank you

>>719165375
Lockon to the boss and stay a few feet away. They're actually not that bad camera wise unless it's a dragon and you're hugging it

>>719165359
how did you get ranni ending 3 times if you only played through 2/

>>719164548
which boss do you have a problem with?

>>719165581
>Rajeesh comprehension
He REPLAYED the game TWICE, you stupid fucking brown

>>719165581
i replayed it twice, my esl friend

>>719164548
Gameplay tips depend on the boss and if you're banning shields/summons/ranged weapons/statuses/jump attacks/spells/items for being overpowered.
However vigor is exactly the stat you should be leveling. It should always be equal or greater than your primary attacking stat (or both combined if you're splitting) because it's the threshhold which you're allowed to make mistakes and access your 5-15 other healthbars in the form of flasks. You can stop leveling vigor at 60 and your attacking stats at 80. This is something I almost wish I didn't know cause the souls series was way more scary before I learned it.

>the more you engage with the mechanics the easier the game gets
>casuals are actually playing on the hardest difficulty

>>719165084
Yeah, and it's still too low which is why people farm them from gathering spots if they don't just cheat in 999 of them.
Go ahead and record yourself getting all those hundreds of embers from running laps in the archives though, remember you need three of those for a single fire coil.

>>719158794
My favorite thing about the launch of the game was seeing everyone describe their own playthroughs and so much of it seemed like a “mew under the truck” shitpost and all of it was true because the game was just that fucking massive
>like oh bro did you see the giant jar guy with the red invaders
>I got warped by a chest and the cave spat me out into caelid (this was me)
>wtf I got grabbed by the three fingers under the sewers and it perma changed my character’s appearance
>there’s this whole underground section with all these ants that leads to this giant skull fish corpse thing
>dude there’s like a whole dungeon in volcano manor
It goes on and on and on and on

>>719157316 (OP)
Open world just sucks most of the time and it has even more anti synergy with souls gameplay

>>719166037
Souls has been open world ever since DS1, just because you were stuck into corridors doesn't mean DS1 wasn't open world

>>719164548
It’s an rpg game you’re going to have strengths and weaknesses depending on how you build. Some bosses may be harder. The generic way of playing the game of rolling and R1 is possible (and honestly not that hard git gud lol) but you should be able to take advantage of something unique in your build to flex over a boss. There’s a way to heavily trivializes most bosses without summoning.

>>719166008
The best part is when people stumbled upon an unassuming elevator in bumfuck Limgrave, then everyone shat bricks when said elevator lead them into a massive underground area with eerie ambient soundtrack and starry ceiling
Kino gaming moment

>>719158042
Bros Twin Zanzibarts is LITERALLY impossible

>>719165794
>Yeah, and it's still too low
No it's not because it's literally impossible to have 100 character discovery in Elden Ring
You were caught lying. You lost the argument and are forever wrong about this

>>719166037
It doesn't, you got filtered

>>719166008
>if you lie down in one of the craters at the bottom of farum azula you get to fight a boss
It really is mew under the truck shit

>>719166492
what the fuck

>>719163454
>filename
Post the rest of them, will ya

>>719166409
If I were lying then people would extensively farm them off the black keep archives instead of doing laps in the courtyard and cheaters wouldn't cheat them in, neither of these things happen because again, nobody wants to engage with tedious drop rates, same reason why people cheat in Beast Horns or other items with 1% drop rates

>>719164653
I've played through ER 3 times with the same build. It's just a fun game

>>719166810
>If I were lying
You would be proven wrong, which you were
Your circular logic bullshit is irrelevant
People cheat because they can cheat and because they want infinite limited items, not because farming items is time consuming

>>719164653
>>do you want to press R1 with this weapon? or R1 with that weapon? or do you want to be a fucking faggot and break the game with magic?
Clearly you never actually tried testing different weapons
As expected of a retarded Sekirofaggot

>>719157316 (OP)
>Why is replaying this so much less fun than replaying the souls games?

Because it is empty, my friend. The DLC is hundred times worse (I almost didn't finish it,but I wanted to fight final boss before screeching redditors nerf him to hell and back).
You can do basically everything there is to do in a single playthrough, and because it is so dumbed down and casualised, there is no reason to go through it again. Chances are you already curbstomped everything on your first playthrough, so why would you do it again with mage build? To curstomp everything again?
The game has excellent presentation and it is joy to travel around discovering stuff, but when that is done, you'll realize how badly the enemy positioning is done.
Going through Sens Fortress after you finished ER is wild experience.

>>719167331
They cheat them in because they want unlimited finite items AND because farming items is time consuming.
Again, record yourself farming all those embers, beast horns or whatever other 1% drop rate components for three or five minutes and let's see how many you can get, you won't because you'll show the reason why nobody wants to engage with that shit.
For the records, even if FROM were still adamant on not giving you a bell bearing for those things for some unknown reason this could have been solved by simply having these things be rewards for something like covenant related invasions like previous games did with other tokens, people would be much more willing to not cheat them in, for better or worse ER does not have covenants so they really wrote themselves in a corner there.

>>719158071
Good post.

I fucking hate ER's open world with every inch of my 5'6 being. You either zone out and think about something that's actually fun or you'll have to consciously witness the complete retardation of riding a horse through empty fields for 20-30 hours of your playtime (unless you're speedrunning).
No random encounters, no travelling NPCs, no ambushes, nothing. Just ugly PS3 trees and pretty skyboxes.

>>719168168
>5'6
London?

>>719168168
>Not even some hecking Bethesda faggotry
>Uhhhh why is there a dragon boss fight with a spell reward here instead of some encampment with a quest about a frying pan
>Nooo this dungeon gave me rewards I can't be bothered to infuse, uograde and craft
I'm glad it filters non fans like you

>>719166607
>2022+3
>Still doesn't know about Placidusex
Do you faggots even play the games?

Most good points have already been made, my take is that the solution to make the dreary open world traversal on your mount enjoyable, would require changes made ..which would arguably no longer make it feel like a souls game in a conventional sense.

For example, in BotW / Genshin Impact;
hang-gliding is a satisfying way to explore the world from high places.
adding something like this to Elden Ring would be bad, cause you'd just glide over all enemies / traps / hazards. ( not that there is much coherent design in the open world sectors )

adding the ''dog-drifting'' feature from Monster Hunter: Rise, would make horse riding way more fun, but again it doesn't fit the tone of the setting.
There are many features which can serve to make traversal & discovery more engaging in a fun way, like Prince of Persia style parkour, grappling hook traversal, puzzle solving , ect.
But again, it would ruin the game's identity and fromdrones would be seething at the lack of difficulty to posture over.

The gameplay loop in these games that are fun:
>routing to grab loot, at least in DS1
>styling on enemies
>styling on bosses
>Invasions / Co-op
in Elden Ring, you spend the majority of your time on horseback, at a speed which feels slower than Mario Kart's 50cc.

>>719165015
you get access to multiple damage types with a minimal investment in faith
on top of an endless source of curing poison and red aids

>>719157680
But ng+ makes it harder. I'd rather just make a new character and call it an easy game.

>>719158042
>twin zanzibarts
my runes are dropping on their own

>>719158369
based and same. Respec is for clowns. I want to experience every stage of my build, and RP while I slowly become more powerful

>>719164548
HP scales on a curve, where it doesn't give a lot of bonuses early on, then gives huge jumps, before returning to not giving much.
40 VIG is what the base game is mostly balanced around. 60 VIG is what the DLC is balanced around.
You should focus on exploiting game mechanics more than just doing basic attacks. The game expects you to make use of all mechanics, those are not extras. There are damage reduction items from early on, and you can stunlock tough bosses like Margit with weapon skills. The basic Square Off + R2 skill that you see on normal longswords does half of Margit's stance stat, so 2 of them will let you crit him. And this can be done repeatedly. This just as an example.

If you try and play this game passively, or what you might think of as 'fairly', you are in for a bad time.
It is designed around a loop of you getting the most out of the mechanics that you can and expects that.

>>719158369
this, I also like how your approach changes as you get access to the weapons at different points
NG+ would be just rolling with the optimal setup from the start to finish

>>719160057
>slog
This term just means "I have a short attention span and need instant gratification. I often look at my phone while playing games"

>>719158794
>The reward is the dungeon crawling itself, midwits
true, I love the dungeons

>>719170072
There's no issue
You don't like Souls games
That's fine

When, in ER should I start looking up the porn?

>>719171160
Once you defeat a boss or complete a character's questline, you're entitled to jerk it to them.
Before then, you haven't earned the right.

>>719157316 (OP)
it takes too long to feel strong
conpared to ds1 where i can just gamble for black knight weapons early on and cruise through the rest of the game with ease, elden ring never really lets you reach that point of autopilot easy mode
it might unironically be too difficult for relaxing runs

>>719171160
I still haven't, I suspect it's not that good. None of the characters do it for me.
Never player Overwatch, but they had good shit.

>>719171265
Maybe if you don't use broken AoWs.
Spinny sword permastruns bosses.

>>719171265
All you need is a dorito, lordsworn SW and Square Off

>>719157316 (OP)
because you have a slave mentality. just because you can go everywhere that doesn't mean you should. stop trying to go everywhere and rush for the late-game

>>719157316 (OP)
Because you're a fucking loser and lile sucking another man's cock

I can't wait for tarnished edish. I want to make a heavy knight tank.
Double stacking Verdigris Discus tali with Endure for max damage reduction.

>>719157316 (OP)
bloat

I've been doing my 2nd playthrough so I can do the DLC finally, this time with no spirit ashes. Its been long enough where things feel fresh, and I'm taking the playthrough slow. The game definitely very high tier in terms of production and it is very polished, and I think that alone puts it above many other games. Gameplay is one of its weaker aspects and it is especially evident late game once you progress beyond the capital.

Many encounters become attempts to "jump" the player with stunlocks while doing overtuned damage, and the response expected from the player is luring enemies out one by one or employing the most spam/abusive gimmicks they can find. And the enemies are reused to much that you almost have to force yourself to keep engaging with them. The bosses themselves also become shitfests that are more a test of patience rather than an engaging battle. They have very few windows of opportunity to attack which you have to specifically wait for, and if you decide you want to attack between their attacks, you will get punished for it. And the core of the fighting itself is just poor. They want to ramp up the intensity of the fights clearly, but the inputs from the player are just not responsive enough to keep up. There is zero reason for action queues to exist, and there is zero reason for action canceling not to exist, especially when bosses/enemies can execute attacks much faster than you can.

The open world is cool, but visually only. Just becomes a slog once you know what you're looking for. There's no reason these things couldn't exist in a more traditional zone. There isn't anything that makes it engaging.

The game is hard carried by its worldbuilding, art, and the legacy dungeons. These really pull you in and every new area looks like a painting. And the legacy dungeons are generally well designed and unique. Without these areas, and the overall atmosphere of the game, I don't think it would be nearly as well liked.

>>719173000
Eat shit and die, tourist

Billions must choke in phase 2.

>>719157316 (OP)
Open world games simply aren't worth replaying

>>719173000
I'll be nice to you since you admittedly didn't play the game much, but you have no idea what you're talking about

>>719157898
I liked ds2 where you can bonfire ascetic and get better items from a much harder boss earlier on.

>>719158071
True. Except for ds3 that shit is way too linear for decent sequencing like that.

>>719173931
>Erm you didn't play it much
I have a good 200 hours in this game and beat most bosses within a couple of tries. The gameplay is weak, faggot.

genuinely wtf are you people doing that requires riding a horse for that long? I'm doing a partially blind ~100% playthrough right now and there's something that stops me or makes me want to explore every 5 seconds. do you just ride straight from boss to boss like autists?

>>719175520
Brownoids on /v/ are afraid of the concept of negative space
In reality they want an Ubisoft Checklist Simulator, but they'll never admit it

>>719175520
>partially blind
For anyone who doesn't speak zoomer ITT: That means he looked up all the items for his build and how to beat all the bosses, but didn't look up the story

>>719175482
The only thing that's mildly impressive about that is that even after 200 hours you still didn't understand the raw basics of combat mechanics somehow, but that's the vast majority of people in here so again, nothing to see, you're just stupid

>>719175646
>outing that you're older than 30 and still on 4chan
kek
I did a previous playthrough where I did nothing but sprint from boss to boss like an autist and did no optional content. That's how I know that that playstyle leads to horse simulator.

>>719159654
>not casually doing stormviel with base stats and a +3 weapon starter weapon which can be got within 5 mins of starting a new character

>>719164548
If you don't want to memorize the timing of every attack, that's what the block button is for.

>>719158794
>I'm starting to think you faggots don't actually like dungeon crawling
Correct. They dont like dungeon crawling, fighting bosses, or exploring. They like the atmosphere and talking about the game. You have a lot of people putting their youtube build together using a wiki and then saying they hate exploring because they dont get anything useful to them.

>>719157480
>freeform, sandbox nature of the game
do you even know what those words mean

>>719175625
>Muh negative space
Cope. The open world has a ton of shit in it, it's just boring and repetitive by the end. And torrent sucks.

If you are going for the argument of time and atmosphere provided by the open world, that same effect can be provided by traditionally built open areas. The only reason for a massive open world to exist is the game element, and Elden Ring's open world elements are extremely lacking

>>719176305
Maybe the term I was looking for was "non-linear" in how you can tackle most main bosses and main dungeons in almost any order you see fit

>>719175798
>You can only be critical of a game if you spend 1k hours in it
No. That is textbook retarded.

The combat sucks and isn't challenging. The may as well be turn based in the late game. In fact I would go as far as to say the only time there is challenge is when there is some status effect you have to figure out how to negate.

A good example of good combat and bosses is Sekiro.

>>719176232
The problem with exploring in elden ring is that you are looking for the same thing for the 100th time. Cave. Catacomb. Church. The actual dungeons are cool to explore and are the highpoint of the game. The copy pasted overworld rooms with repeat bosses are not.

>>719170789
Yeah just gave it a go again, and the advice given throughout this thread has helped a good deal.
I did not know about the Square Off + R2...I really didn't know what the purpose of that skill was, thought it just made you kneel like a goofball. Pairing it with a heavy attack to trigger it is pretty neat

I'm trying to zoom-zip and run around less, and just trying to keep distance, not button mashing and using my attacks sparingly. It seems slower but it seems to work better than me getting locked into a swing and then whatever button I pressed afterward and just watching my predictable death.

If anything it's showing me that I have become a pretty casual gamer over the decades

Just started a new game using just heavy great mace, cragblade and jump bonk and it has been the easiest run I've had no prep casting shit just donk crit next

>>719171265
>elden ring never really lets you reach that point of autopilot easy mode

This might be literally the first time in years I have heard this about Elden Ring.
Game constantly drops overpowered shit at your feet. It is the first Soulsgame in the series where you have to purposefully nerf yourself during first playthrough to somewhat enjoy the game until the end.

>>719157316 (OP)
Open world games suck ass to replay. It's why TotK was so disappointing, open world maps are extremely boring to traverse through a second time.

Messmer the Impaler

>>719173000
>They have very few windows of opportunity to attack

Which is ironic because they STILL cannot deal with multiple targets at the same time, unlike series like Monster Hunter. They added these spastic flailing bosses with nonsense delayed attack to deal with the fact that Dark Souls 3 turned roll button into straight up invincibility button.

>>719173240
Shut the fuck up, nigger

>>719179203
And it worked
Filtered this whole fucking board lmao

>>719175798
>raw basics of combat mechanics
It is by far the easiest, casualised entry in FromSoft history, which is why you love it so much.

>>719157316 (OP)
>Why is replaying this so much less fun than replaying the souls games?
Because open world was a mistake

>>719175625
Elden Ring is the most Ubisofted Souls game.

>>719157316 (OP)
Gigantic open world with nothing to see. It was empty day 1 you didnt notice.

>>719179176
When this dickhead grabbed me for third time in a row, I put on my rape kit and deleted him in 5 seconds. I don't even know what his moveset is.
The fact that people give DS2 shit for bullshit grabs while ER is 10x worse is wild.

>>719179323
No, it just looks desperate. They are so afraid to fix iframes after DS2 whining that you have situations where sword clearly hits you, rests on you for a second and yet nothing happens to you.

>>719176759
>Sekiro fans
Should have known, you people are as clueless as Sekiro is poorly made.
>>719179436
Not really, no.
It's arguably their first decent ARPG in fact, everything before this was a boring, poorly designed button masher.

>>719180838
>Not really, no.
It is by far the most casual Fromsoft game, by every metric.
>Should have known, you people are as clueless as Sekiro is poorly made.
Malenia is a boss that was stolen directly from Sekiro. Sekiro's trash is final boss of your Ubisoft Dark Souls.

>>719179741
skill issue

>>719182109
>It is by far the most casual Fromsoft game, by every metric.
What metrics? Substantiate your claims.
>Malenia is a boss that was stolen directly from Sekiro.
More like rescued.

>>719170382
Ng+ is easier actually. You steam roll through through bosses.

>>719182221
Nah, once again I had to purposefully nerf myself to try to enjoy UbiFromSoft, but since he decided to spam grabs with broken hitboxes, I just nuked him and never thought about him again.

>>719182443
>More like rescued
She was deemed too uninteresting for Sekiro, with predictable, boring moveset for that late stage of game. Of course she buckbroke Ringoids, and even then they had to give her lifesteal, otherwise every level 70 scrub would just roll over her and instantly forget her.

>>719182609
I don't know why he would say that. You can two shot Morgot with R1 on NG+. It is one of the big negatives of the game, you will be overpowered for NG+ in nearly all cases.

>>719157316 (OP)
i don't know what you're talking about because i much rather prefer replaying ER over ds2 and 3. it's about as replayable as des, ds1, and BB to me. you know, the good ones. because ER is also good.

>>719182830
More headcanon?
Okay then, enjoy your AI anime I guess, animators clearly decided Sekiro is not interesting enough to put any effort in an adaptation

>>719182830
Lifesteal barely battered and people blew it out of proportion. Waterfowl Dance is the only thing memorable about her shitty fight, that and the annoying clone shit attack.

>>719182963
>You can two shot Morgot with R1 on NG+
prove it

>>719182443
>What metrics?
All of them

>>719180838
Sekiro completely rapes elden rings combat.

>>719173000
I'm glad Elden Ring didn't pander to subhumans like you

>>719182830
Malenia is a great boss especially because it's not in a braindead parryslop game

>>719183468
>>719183512
>>719183543
You've been doing this for almost four years, aren't you tired?

>>719183512
Sekiro is a shittification and devolution of Dark Souls 3 stagger system, in a worse game with worse options and no valid playstyles

>>719183849
This cannot be real
I refuse to believe Elden Kino assraped this board so much

>>719183849
>if I spam webms it's fine!
Also you forgot to turn off your filename randomizer which you are using to try and hide how much you samefag spam the same webms

>>719183854
>Sekiro is a shittification and devolution of Dark Souls 3 stagger system, in a worse game with worse options and no valid playstyles

Sekiro shits on your empty UbiFromSoft open world slop. Have a Spirit Ash. Have two. Go swing some Rivers of Blood to calm down.

Damn man why can't I just like both Sekiro and Elden RIng

>>719157316 (OP)
It isn't. They are all boring because most of the fun from the games is the exploration which only works once.

>>719184219
>Being this new that you think filename hides your shitposting
>Can't even use the archives
4chanX's filename randomizer means nothing t anyone who's not a clueless newfag.
For the records, you spent 3 years and 19 days posting that particular webm, I don't want to imagine the rest of your shitposting because you're clearly in dire need of mental therapy
https://arch.b4k.dev/v/search/image/Dl7ifdMn0SeV6XyFnHWJCw%3D%3D/page/12

>>719184284
Have fun on your Guitar Hero ripoff, faggor nigger

>>719185364
Elden Ring living rent free inside that schizo faggot tiny brain
LMAO

>>719185364
I literally pointed out that you use a filename randomizer to pretend that it's not all you spamming the same webm so I'm clearly familiar with the concept
https://arch.b4k.dev/v/search/image/6iYv0uPI17FbHbjUDLmBWg/
You have confirmed that this is all you, using a filename randomizer to throw people off the scent. This is also why you think every person making fun of you must be the same poster, cause it's your MO.
You got BTFO. No more (you)s.

>>719157849
It’s branded into your soul, rent free.

>>719185785
Go back to your Assassin's Creed: Dark Souls, scrub troon.

>>719185912
nta, but there are vastly less posts with that webm
you on the other hand are a pure deranged schizo faggot
buckbroken by elden ring for 4 years, lmao

>>719186320
I searched for elden ring input reading and posted the webm cause there's some schizo spamming about Sekiro

>>719183849
I don't know who you are referencing you schizo, Sekiro just has much better gameplay and actually encourages aggression.

>>719187950
>Gameplay is literally standing still and blocking
>encourages aggression
LOL???

>>719157316 (OP)
>love the games
>the once nice community was overrun by unironic autists, trannies and overcompensating losers
>disagree with anons shitting on the games but enjoy the niggerfaggot subhuman "fans" seething and schizoposting about any (sometimes valid) criticism
it's an abstract kind of feel

>>719188081
>and blocking
>he hesitated

>>719185912
I'm sorry anon but posting a webm 15 times for barely even a year vs 280 times for three straight years doesn't help your case

>>719186382
suuuuuuuuuuuuure bud lmao

At least it's nice that we can all agree Dark Souls 2 is a garbage game

>>719185785
How can you say this in the same breath where you defend Elden Rings passive combat. Sekiro has you constantly engaged with the boss, Elden Ring has you wait your turn for your little approved attack windows.

>Damn let me clash swords with every attack from the boss, effectively damaging him through posture. Constant action
>dodge dodge dodge doge dodge attack dodge dodge dodge

>>719189692
>Suckiro
>Stand motionless, L1 L1 L1 R1 R1 R1
>Repeat for 20 hours
Riveting

>>719187950
>>719189692
Skill issue

>>719189692
Nothing passive about Elden Ring's combat unless you choose to make it so.

>>719190395
Clown game. Zero impacts.

suckiro combat be like

>>719157316 (OP)
>make one good game (Dark Souls)
>reprint it several times but worse
>make it open world with the content far apart
What happened here

>>719193970
What do you mean? Elden Ring is the fully realized vision of all previous Souls games
It's the best game in the series objectively

>get some store veal
>traverse lame hernia
>take an elevator or bad dragon backdoor
>ignore bowsers castle and go to not anal rodeo
>kill more got feel o man
>do the generic snow level
>kill the spazzing ginger
>burn a monologuing bitch
>fall through crumbling furry ass-o-la
>kill first guy but actually is now guy two
>kill a woman that is a man but is actually a woman but also a sword

I don't know anon game sounds boring

>>719157316 (OP)
I have more fun replaying the base game than the dlc. By the time I get to Mohg I'm already feeling pretty bored, if I don't rush to the dlc. Also why are there no frenzy flame themed armors

>>719196256
Same reason there's no briar armor
Or deathblight armor
Or scarlet aeonia armor
Or bloodflame armor

>>719196256
>What's the Fingerprint set

>>719157316 (OP)
Because it's too big and you feel obligated to go for certain things like the weapon upgrade vendor unlocks every time. It's very good with a randomizer though if you fiddle with settings involving key items.

>>719196440
That set has little to no frenzy flame themes to it
>no orange/yellowish flame theme
>no crests
>just dark and blueish colors plus a melted look
Shabriri was the perfect opportunity to make one and instead they reused Yura's model

>>719157316 (OP)
-Open world ruins it. It would've been better if it was linear.
-The bosses SUCK. There's no variety. Just a bunch of giant dudes with swords, flailing their arms about doing ridiculous shounen anime combos with seemingly infinite stamina.
-The boss encounters were all designed around co-op/summons.

>>719195360
I agree. Souls games tend to be unfinished and rushed and they were all the better for it. Only good ideas would make it through the production process.
Elden Ring is Idea Guy: The Game.

Replaying it you realize just how much time you spend each playthrough running across empty space.

>>719196782
sure thing bud

>>719196651
>Literally a knight set melted by the three fingers themselves
>Little to no frenzy flame themes

>>719196651
this nigga wants an anime armor lol