Thread 719708769

after 10 years, he finally admitted

I mean yeah nigga it's like admitting water is wet

>>719708769 (OP)
how lol

literally no game has taken anything from this game. wtf are you talking about?

>same missions
He couldn't lie even if he wanted to

I wonder what it feels like to have an entire influential series like this behind your back.

>>719708839
He never admitted publicly until now. Some people really thought that the game "was supposed to end like that, so the player would feel the Phantom Pain too".

>>719708769 (OP)
now that he finally admitted it, is he going to finish it?

>>719708769 (OP)
How was it supposed ot end?

>>719708870
it's about the unfinished part

>>719708769 (OP)
>clout whore reposting something sucking him off
nigger tier

>>719708936
It would be a miracle if that happened.
>>719708964
Check out Chapter 3 footage on youtube

>>719708769 (OP)
Anyone could tell that the game was released unfinished just by playing it

>>719708970
Is the article also about the unfinished part instead of glazing the game?

>>719708964
The Liquid and Sahelanthropus plotline is quite literally unfinished in the game. And we only know how it ends because of a video included as an extra in the special edition, which is akin to a long series TV show finishing its story through a behind-the-scenes feature only present in the Blu-rays.

>>719709091
>chapter 3
What chapter 3? Its one mission that was meant to be DLC.

>>719708964
>How was it supposed ot end?
it's a meme by guys who never played the series.
>>719709091
>Check out Chapter 3 footage on youtube
that's not "footage" it's half a cutscene with some concept art that complicates things even further.
>>719709374
>The Liquid and Sahelanthropus plotline is quite literally unfinished in the game
no it's not. they escape with the 3rd Child. that's literally it.

>>719708769 (OP)
>>719708936
>finally admitted it
Did you forget the deluxe edition included the Episode 51 footage, which literally says its unfinished content?

>>719708769 (OP)
Chapter 3/4/5 will be remade in MGS5 Remake
I want to believe

I don't remember the plot but I remember being incredibly confused at why the credits rolled and there was no "beginning of part 2" screen following them.
The game just abruptly ends mid plot right?

I legit think he realized how stupid it was to go back to Big Boss after Peace Walker.

The game as a whole doesn't make any fucking sense and just leads to more questions. If anything, he should've just remade Peace Walker for new systems and added more detail.

I think that's waht made them take so fucking long in the first place. Game could've easily been Snake stopping MGs with Otacon and filled the gap between 1 and 2 as well. Or, Snake and Raiden finding Sunny, still taking down MGs until Snake gets old.

>>719708769 (OP)
Reminder that millennials have spent a whole decade crying about MGSV because it didnt have enough cutscenes.
I'm convinced that their obsession with muh plot and love for making theories or non-games like Deltarune proves that millennials just hate videogames.
I'm glad MGS3 got remade just so newer generations can witness the cutscene filled mess that this generation worshipped.

Peace Walker, MGSV and Metal Gear Rising, those are the only ones worth playing.

No way it's already been 10 years
>It HAS been 10 years
haha....
Anyways V was basically half finished, you can "feel" the moment Kojima got fired/rushed out the door. It's been...10 years since I played it but from what I remember after a certain mission(i think where skullface is killed) the story comes to a grinding halt, most of the missions are now the same missions you already did, but on hard mode. I think there is like 3-4 actual important missions left then the game sorta just ends.

>>719708919
I remember that cope, I thought it was the most retarded shit in the world back then. It is even more retarded now.

what did he influence? that open world repeatable checklist in every quadrant was popularized by assassin creed

>>719709604
The only plotline left unfinished is Eli and Sahelanthropus, which was supposed to conclude with the Episode 51 DLC.

>>719709684
you're speaking to the man who invented the camera, be quiet.

>>719708919
>He never admitted publicly until now.
he just retweeted an article. he does like 100 retweets a day.

>>719709509
Oh, fuck Nitroid is here. Stop defending this shit, man. You don't want to be known as the Bazztek of the MGS community.

>>719709684
>open world repeatable checklist in every quadrant
MGSV doesnt have this.

>>719708769 (OP)
Where's the Kojima defense squad slobbering on his dick and pretending it's not finished on purpose now?

>>719709781
>>719708769 (OP)
>KOJIMA FINALLY ADMITS MGSV IS UNFINISHED
Where the fuck do you think the Episode 51 footage comes from?

>>719709684
>what did he influence?
Absolutely nothing. Kojima fans masturbate over the game as this pinnacle of stealth gameplay, but the sad reality is that TPP was basically a third-person Far Cry game.

>>719709731
>only plot line unfinished is the one regarding Liquid Snake and the Metal Gear
>in a Metal Gear Solid game
you're making it sound like these were unimportant

>>719709656
The worst part is they got obsessed with Metal Gear's plot and lore when those two are retarded, infantile crap.
>LOL LOOK, LE EPIC DIARREA GUY
>LOOL, THE JADED MILITARY VETERAN IS ACTING LIKE A HIGH SCHOOLER
>LOL THIS GUY PEED HIMSELF
How can anyone take seriously, let alone obsess over this trash for toddlers?

CREATIVEDADDY

>>719709784
I haven't played it in a while but don't you have that thing, where you go to one quandrant, there's one base there which you do, you grab a blueprint and tape and copy and paste it throughout an empty open world, i dunno i forgot

>>719709981
Considering Metal Gear's plot is trash, yes, its not important.
Hell, the lack of focus on the plot is what makes MGSV the best one.

>>719709881
No, bro, no, you don't understand, the footage of the unfinished mission that closes a loose end in the game doesn't actually mean that the game is unfinished because... uh... it just doesn't, okay.

>>719710053
Somehow some of the least insane cope defending the unfinished mess that is MGSV that I've heard yet.

>>719709731
>The only plotline left unfinished is Eli and Sahelanthropus
it's finished. Liquid steals the robot and leaves with Mantis.
>which was supposed to conclude with the Episode 51 DLC.
there was never going to be such a thing.
Episode 51 is just a bunch of concept art with concepts of a story. shitposting fags wanted to spin this into another part of the game. every game has unused concepts.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-B4JIHh5Jqk
>>719709781
>Stop defending this shit, man.
don't quote me ever again. this meme is just retarded. people who hated kojima wanted to use this "unfinished" episode to shit on him for wasting time and people who hated Konami wanted to use it to pretend konami kept kojima from finishing the game. kojima had all the time in the world to finish the game and he did so in the way he wanted. konami "locking him" out of his office for the last two months is meaningless.

>>719710040
That's not a checklist, there's no checists in the game.

>>719710075
No, I'm calling you morons out, if Kojima included that footage in the deluxe edition of MGSV it means he admitted its unfinished a decade ago.

>>719708870
Most games are wannabe MGS, RE4, FF7, Earthbound, Warcraft, GTA, Skyrim, Mario, Wizardy, Speccy kino, Superman 64 and Souls.

>>719708769 (OP)
KOJIDRONES BTFO!!!

>>719708919
I demand an apology from the guy having a meltdown in the thread a day or two ago about it being finished.

>>719710102
>it's finished. Liquid steals the robot and leaves with Mantis.
By that logic the game might as well have ended after the prologue.
>Big Boss builds his army and does mercenary things, the end

>>719709604
Kojima was too busy partying with hollywood actors and wasting millions on licensed music to actually finish the game.
Remember, Konami is the villain!

>>719708870
Not entirely true. Ghost Recon Wildlands and Ghost Recon Breakpoint are basically MGSV clones.

>>719710091
He thing is MGSV is a videogame, unlike the crap that came before.
Plus there's the fact that Metal Gear's writing makes Call of Duty campaigns look realistic and heartfelt in comparison.
MGS' plot is just non sense and it should have never been the focus of it.

There's a reason why MGSV and MGR are the only games that stood the test of time, while a remake of the once worshipped MGS3 came and went without any fanfare.

>>719709981
what there is more to say, skully pointed out metal gear is just one big meme tiger, and that what it has always been. its strategic weapon thats not used, metal gear ray is tactical metal gear and way more capable for variety of operations.

>>719708769 (OP)
Pretty sure the only part he is admitting to here is that he thinks its a masterpiece lmao. Kojima OD'ed on his own ego.

>>719710282
>open world ubislop games are copying kojima instead of their own open world ubislop games

>>719710267
Its been a decade and MGSdrones are still convinced licensinc music costs millions. I have no idea how you correlate the 9 songs of MGSV costing millions with GTA V, with a 200 million budget, having more than 700 songs.

>>719708769 (OP)
It's a sign! Chapter 3 is on the way MGS triangle was a test and we passed! Genius Kojumbo has done it again!

>>719710365
They did. They borrowed a lot of ideas and basically feel the same to play.

>>719709632
It took so long because they built their own engine and assets and incredibly deep gameplay and Konami didn't realize how long that shit takes in the modern day. Same as FFVersus.

>>719710341
And MGSV is his masterpiece, its by far the best MGS and the only one that stood the test of time along with MGR.
There's a reason why the MGS remasters and the MGS3 remake flopped.

>>719710102
Nitorid, how does it feel to have wasted a decade defending that the game was not unfinished, despite that being obviously the case, only for the director himself to admit it without a care in the world because, despite being obviously unfinished, he's still proud of the work?

>>719708870
Play helldivers 2

>>719709509
I bet you're the guy who sent Moonmoon an essay just the other day, while he was playing MGSV, with a half-assed attempt to debunk the unfinished game claims. Am I correct?

>>719710191
>KOJIDRONES
https://www.playstationlifestyle.net/2016/12/02/keighley-kojima-spent-six-months-phantom-pain-development-locked-separate-room/

the "unfinished" theory is a story that was defending Kojima against Konami. Konami allegedly locked him out of his office. and then the story evolved into anons saying that in the last months that Kojima was locked out he would have made another Episode (another 30%) when the entire game took him 6 years. obviously it's all nonsense kojima being locked out doesn't mean his team was not working on the game.

>>719708769 (OP)
If I were to make a game, it would be influenced by peace walker over phantom pain. Mainly because the Motherbase game mechanic was more focused on PW while in PP that shit is a fucking mess after a certain point. Also PW side ops were infinitely better than the lame as fuck “Eliminate Battalion 8” that PP was serving up

>>719710409
MGS fanboys in /v/ are a gathering of mentally ill schizophrenics who got obsessed with a game's narrative despite containing hilariously retarded concepts like "soldier genes".
They got so obsessed with Metal Gear's atrocious story that the fact that MGSV focused on the gameplay instead of the terrible plot completely mindbroke them, because these people hate videogames, they dont want to play anything, they want to watch poorly made cutscenes on Youtube and make dumbass theories.

Though the most pathetic moment of this fanbase is when they unironically insisted a female character would be a tranny.

They hoy exactly what they deserved, a videogame with minimal plot and a disjointed ending.

Stop spamming the thread with the same posts about 'le plot is... le BAD!'.
It's a clearly unfinished game with filler missions, hardly any bosses, underdeveloped components, a missing ending, missing content, rushed story, etc Deal with it and move on.

>>719710725
>instead of the terrible plot
MGSV is plot heavy though.

>>719710304
You wanna talk gameplay only? Okay, lets talk about gameplay only.
>Battle Gears cut, they're relevant in the story but you never get to operate one
>dogs cut
>motherbase had all of its planned activities cut except for the shooting course, 99% of it is empty, for example there was supposed to be a zoo which would've made the HORRIBLE animal side quest somehow worth it
>Africa as a map is so fucking unfinished you can see seams in the map and at points the tiles are not connected at all and you can gaze into the void beneath them
>side ops are the same shit with different numbers, there was supposed to be more extreme missions for example, or more Snatchers
MGSV is unfinished, both the story and the gameplay. Suck my dick, Nitorid.

>>719710686
I wouldnt, I would take MGSV and double down on the operator simulator aspect by taking elements from ArmA 3.
I would make the maps way bigger, give enemies realistic vision, allow you to pilot helicopters, jets and boats, allow you to deploy your army and direct it via the iDroid and make the side ops happen as a product of real time events on the battlefield.

>>719710545
>MGSV invented diving

>>719710728
You fags swallowed MGS1, 2, 3 and 4 despite having the worst gameplay in thr stealth genre (what little gameplay there is), you never talk about gameplay, because you dont give a shit.
If you did you wouldnt have played past MGS1, who's gameplay is hilariously bad.

Just think about it, do you think Metal Gear, despite its sales, ever influenced the stealth genre? No, because its gameplay was terrible, and you didnt care, because you just wanted cutscenes and plot twists.

>>719710725
>acts like the game play of V was some kind of amazing achievement.
It's Open world TPS, with stealth options. Even when it released it was bog standard.

>>719708769 (OP)
All they had to do was funnel you into some Ground Zeroes type final era and have that be the final mission. Everything else I can forgive except the literal copy pasted "subsistence" missions which should've just been a post credits unlock.

>>719710856
And yet MGSV is still the best of the franchise, because its not a shitty movie like what came before.

Did you know an MGS3 Remake just came out? And no one gave a shit, because no one tolerates movies anymore.
Meanwhile MGSV keeps getting gameplay compilations to this day, same with MGR, because they are actual videogames.

>>719709632
I genuinely think he stopped giving a shit about the story after MGS4, possibly even during it. Peace Walker was made to appeal to kids (his kid) who liked Monster Hunter. V is just fucking around with his shiny new engine and mocapping people. Death Stranding is the natural evolution of what V started.

But he knew his fans cared, that's why he did the whole "muh missing link" shit.

I just don't know how, if you are a fan of Kojima's work, you would think he would release MGSV in the state it launched back in '15. Even ignoring the cut content and unfinished story, it just lacks the type of polish and idiosyncrasies typical of his work.

>>719711024
It is an achievement because MGS1, 2 and 3 have some of the worst gameplay ever made, by far the worst gameplay of the stealth genre, and also contaim the worst shooting mechanics ever conceived.

>>719710856
>for example there was supposed to be a zoo
It's been a while but I distinctly remember there being a zoo on another platform at Mother Base, anon.

>>719711024
Last of Us unironically did fast pace stealth first before PP and I hate Last of Us but I can’t help but see PP as last of us except they gave Joel an army’s worth of equipment to fuck with

>>719711187
>lack of polish
You know whats lack of polish? The shooting mechanics of the first three games.
I have no clue who playtested those games and thought that shit was acceptable.
Until MGSV Metal Gear got constantly mogged by Splinter Cell.

>>719711227
Excepy TLOU plays like a typical western movie game: slow, heavy and prioritizing animations ahead of gameplay.

>>719711116
>It's the best!
>Because there is a handful of missions and the hard mode of those missions where you can just run in and complete the objective while just completely ignoring the stealth mechanics.

It's an open world slog. In the older games each area with enemies was a puzzle for you to get passed without getting detected. In V you just run in guns blazing

>>719708769 (OP)
To this day i'm still waiting for this retarded jap to tell what the fuck happened during the development of this game. This fucking retarded japs and their "honor" of not talking shit about former employers makes me livid. This retard have no problem with Del Toro yelling fuck Konami but won't tell what happened even after multiple interviews. I hate this fucking jap so fucking much.

The only things I remember about MGSV
>bomb in vagina
>escape mission from hospital on fire
>sahelantropus fight
>mission at base?
>there's a dog
>quiet tits
>zero and some language virus
everything else is a blurry yellow and brown memory
not nearly as memorable as the other mainline games

>>719711194
The OG trilogy always felt like arcade games with enemy vision cones etc. and that was part of the charm for me; the fact that you could literally run around guards while avoiding their vision completely due to how predictable they were.
Delta feels like shit in comparison largely because of how AI detection works.

>>719711178
And it was a good choice because Metal Gear's plot is MCU-tier, it even has constant dumbass humor shoved everywhere, despite being a military story.

>>719710576
>I bet you were the guy that insulted my favorite streamer the other day....hmmm? Guilty as charged I presume
Holy shit imagine being this narcissistic AND parasocial

>>719711227
>Last of Us unironically did fast pace stealth first
LOL shut the FUCK up absolute fucking retard, you press the fucking crouch button stare at vision cones then occassionally choke people out. MGS1 has faster stealth based off the exact same premise you dumb fuck

>>719711337
I don’t know I see some people pull some crazy stealth plays in TLOU

>>719711378
>To this day i'm still waiting for this retarded jap to tell what the fuck happened during the development of this game.
He most likely sign a NDA when he was fired.

>>719711384
The only thing memorable about the movie games is the lack of gameplay and endless cutscenes, all to deliver a story with worse writing than a COD campaign.

>>719711441
> LOL shut the FUCK up absolute fucking retard, you press the fucking crouch button stare at vision cones then occassionally choke people out
Explain how MGSV has evolved beyond that except you can sprint now

>>719708769 (OP)
It only matters if Caramel admits it.

>>719711378
>to tell what the fuck happened during the development of this game.
literally nothing. kojima worked on mgsv without any drama for at least 5 years.
first of all some of you guys have unresolved issues. im just kind enough to explain things. kojima retweeting 100 different posts per day means little. im not "defending" the game because there is nothing to defend. you are more than free to watch the kingdom of the flies video posted above to see for yourselves that it's half thought-out concepts, something that literally every game has. would it be awesome if kojima worked on it and made it into a full Episode 3? sure. but that would mean at least an additional 25% of the game (MGSV is 2 Episodes). this entire drama comes from kojima being locked out away from his team in the final months before the game was released. drama originally indented to shit on konami for hindering kojima before firing him. which is obviously low key retarded because a few months are not enough to build an entire episode and of course being locked away doesn't mean he can't work with his team. the internet exists.

>>719711378
I know what happened
>I feel guilty for working on the game industry and not making anything but movies, so for once I'm going to make a videogame

>>719708870
MGSV single-handedly turned Ghost Recon from a cool casualized Operation Flashpoint into literally MGSV

>>719711384
For some reason every time I think about MGSV, A-Ha's Take On Me starts to play in my head.

>>719711416
>No, this story about clones and giant fucking robots needs to be super fucking serious guies

Now you sound like a western dev.

>>719711354
It's the best because you can complete the missions any way you want, it prioritizes player freedom ahead of anything, its really surprising this came from a series of ultra linear cutscene simulators.

>>719708769 (OP)
Amazing engine, shit game.

>>719710040
No? Do you just go around talking about shit you don’t understand all the time? How many more of you are there in this thread?

>>719711613
MGS was never linear, you had tons of options to do everything and ways to play the game perfectly and do customized runs. Just because you don't have access to big open fields of boring nothingness doesn't make it linear.

>>719711580
>no I swear, the part where this guy pisses himself is necessary
And you fags worship this trash.

And no, a western dev would double down on the unbearable SO RANDUMB humor and shove trannies into it.
The stupid dumbass humor simply kills any chance for someone to take Metal Gear's plot seriously. Well, that, and retardation like "soldier genes" or the "hurrr my life belongs on the battlefield" crap.

>>719711574
>>719711574
For me it's https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yRYFKcMa_Ek
>This is Pequod, arriving at LZ

>>719710856
anon there is a zoo
there's nothing to do there but there is one

>>719711719
Yeah, you have a lot of choice: either tranq everyone or sneak by.

>game has actual gameplay and not a lot of cutscenes
>kojimadrones hate it
really makes you think, doesn't it?

>>719711378
What happened was his overseers didn't crack the whip and tard wrangle him hard enough. That's it. All the best mangas happen because the mangaka is tard wrangled by the publisher. Japan has a storied history of tard wrangling

>>719711720
>nyooooo!! you can't have fuuuun!!
Cope and seethe

If Konami makes a MGS6 just make it a direct sequel to MGSV but focus more on the army management aspect and realism.

>>719711720
You are not supposed to take the plot seriously you fucking retard. It's a fucking B-Movie in video game form.

>>719711519
TLOU has TPS tank controls, no prone, no ACTUAL sound-based mechanics, fake scripted melee combat, its all cinematics, smokes and mirrors. The mechanics are incredibly barebone. TLOU is literally just RE4 with less mechanics but prettier animations

MGSV has free form unfiltered movement in all directions, CQC that flows naturally, the enemies will change their equipment based on your playstyle, you can actually move bodies unlike TLOU, you have partners that can actually contribute instead of Ellie being invisible until the game suddenly decides for her to be targeted, weather modifications, distractions that are literally just "THROW BOTTLE/BRICK HUH WHAT WAS THAT NOISE?"

>>719711792
>gameplay is MGS4 with a sprint button and 10 miles of nothing except a tent with 2 guys until you reach the handful of places with actual level design
>Also no npc PvP like in 4 sorry lol

>>719711901
>tard wrangle Kojima
>only makes forgettable movie "games"
>Kojima on his own
>makes a singleplayer game that retains a playerbase a decade afterwards

>>719708769 (OP)
Not influencing enough because this game still has the best third person combat in the business and nobody has come close.

>>719711792
>really makes you think, doesn't it?
what on earth are you talking about. V has endless tapes. it was more story dense than literally all mgs games. anons here repeating 10 year old memes is lowkey sad.

>>719711929
IF they make 6, it will start Solid Snake.
If they were smart, 6 would be a remake of Metal Gear.

>>719711719
here's your non-linear games bro

>>719711997
Death Stranding only gets a pass for how unique of a world it is, the worldbuilding is genuinely amazing, the storytelling is the worst its ever been

>>719709684
Left Alive lmao

>>719711924
A guy pissing himself is funny if you are 5.

>>719711959
You are not supposed to take seriously the plot of a videogame where half the playtime is spent watching cutscenes?
And this comes from the fanbase that's been complaining for a decade that MGSV didnt focus on the plot?

You obviously were supposed to take it seriously, its just the franchise is written by genuinely low IQ people.

>>719708769 (OP)
Why is he referring himself in third person

>>719712057
After MGS3 flopped?
Right, go and remake the game that will confirm zoomers what MGS3's remake has already exposed, that this franchise focused on a plot despite making no sense and having dialogue that seems written by a 12 year old.

>>719711378
We already know what happened. He was taking way too damn long on it and the budget was getting ridiculous. Konami wanted it released asap and Kojima was asking for another year or two of development time and more money. He was wasting too much of their time and money and not showing results. Too much time spent dicking around with the girl who played Quiet and trying to worm his way into Hollywood through Kiefer Sutherland and too little time spent actually finishing the game.

>>719708870
What do you mean? Every Bethesda game releases unfinished.

>>719708769 (OP)
Pretty obvious when you get to chapter 2 and half of it is padded with chapter 1 missions but with a modifier.

>>719712150
he copy-pasted the headline

Kojima cut out the opening and sold it for 40 dollars and then cut out the ending and solid it for 60 dollars.

>>719712081
Yea, the maps on linear. Good job.
How you tackle each room is up to you. Do you kill them? Do you knock them out? Do you just run past them? If you kill/knock them out, where do you hide the body? Do you even need to hide the body?

>>719708769 (OP)
>MGS influences others to create unfinished games
I kneel

>>719712229
>worm his way into Hollywood through Kiefer Sutherland
I really liked Kiefer as Big Boss. I can't understand why he cut dialogue from him, specially during the Skull Face uber ride. Hayter sounded great in MGS, but to me he never sounded good on the other games.

>>719712229
>MGSV
>50 hour open world game with brand new in-house engine developed along the way
>80 million

>Bioshock Infinite
>12 hour long linear shooter developed on Unreal Engine 3
>150 million

You know what's a game that went overbudget? MGS4.
A 15 hour long linear game with little gameplay, and barely any gameplay after Chapter 2, and it cost 70 million.

>>719712307
Damn, by that logic no game is linear.

>>719712014
If there is a way to combine MGSV with Ghost Recon Wildlands it might be the greatest videogame of all time

>>719711781
Numerous ways to sneak by, numerous items to use, numerous weapons to use if you want to go lethal and clear areas, numerous ways to beat bosses, different routes, different actions change the outcome of the game. 1 didn't have tranqs, and 2 was structured that the path you took led to a different strategy to get through each area with numerous ways to do so.
>>719712081
Non-linear does not simply mean many different hallways or big open empty areas. MGS has more options than games that do give you hugely complex areas or big open expanses.

>>719712378
>I really liked Kiefer as Big Boss.
are we even implying at this point. kiefer absolutely ruled as BB. im not going to hate on hayter but a real actor can do more than just a grumpy voice.

>>719712134
>Noooooo you can't like silly things! You can enjoy goofy shit happening! It needs to be super fucking serious and realistic!

You are the type of fag who'd watch an action movie from the 80s and cry it's too goofy.

I played MGS1 a year ago and on top of the bad gameplay, what stood out is how silly and childish the plot is.
The villain threatens to nuke the USA because he's a moron who has no clue how recessive genes work.
What the hell?

>>719709509
I can tell immediately even after one post this guy is going to kill himself

>>719712394
>all projects have the same budget
Shit bro, you only got 1 INT

>>719712482
If you are making a military story yes, it should be serious. Maybe not realistic, but certainly not full of dumbass toddler humor.
MGS at times feels line its written by a kid.

MGS5 is one of my favorite games for several reasons, but the main one is the way it plays is so smooth. I wish more games controlled like that, its hard to describe

>>719708870
Unfortunate really, cause it's one of the best open world games, and one of the best feeling action shooters ever.
I'd so much rather have more MGSV than Ubislop.

>>719712472
Why do retards love saying this? He had less than 4 minutes of voice lines throughout the entire game.
>B-but those 4 minutes were so good!
Go on, say something that dumb.

>>719709656
It's my favourite one tho...

>>719712307
how's that any different from a random camp in MGSV that you have to go through en route to the target destination in a mission? do you sneak past? do you kill everyone? one of them is a good r&d recruit, how do you get him without alerting everyone else? there's a truck that passes by every so often that eventually reaches the destination, should you jump on the back and hitch a ride? there's 6 simultaneous objectives to tackle and some of them are obscured, how do you find intel on those?

keep in mind that the original point against V is that "In V you just run in guns blazing", you can do that in the other games too which I just did in Delta

The more time passes the more I realize Konami was in the right and Kojima was a hack

>>719712593
>N no you need to be serious with your army men story!
Gay and boring.

>>719712556
You morons are the only people I've seen about game budgets, you've been obsessed for a fucking decade and you still have no clue how it works and how much games really cost.
But my guess is you dont truly care, you just went insane a decade ago because MGSV wasnt a movie and have been seething for a decade now.

>>719712721
Go watch some MCU movies, millennial, they have all the SO RANDUMB XD dumbass humor you love so much.
Thank god that shitty trend is dying.

Kojima is the biggest hack in video games with the biggest ego. He acts like he is the Mozart of video games lmao

All he did was be one of the early adopters of plentiful pre rendered CGI cutscenes in video games. But people will suck him off indefinitely.

>>719712394
>>80 million
>Source: dude, trust me.
Also, even if that's the case, you are not accounting the money Kojima Production spent in the development of the Fox Engine.

>>719710282
wildlands came out a year and a half after MGSV you fucking retard

>>719712705
How?
They fired him for making an actual videogame and not while making MGS1, 2, 3 and 4, which were shitty movies.

>>719709751
Yeah but he's retweeting an article that calls the game unfinished. Meaning he doesnt disagree with the sentiment

>>719712815
>Can't comprehend humor being in anything besides MCU movies
Zoom Zoom.

>>719712847
So you are telling me you fags have spent a decade crying about budgets and didnt know MGSV cost 80 million?
How much of a bunch of overly emotional, low IQ retards can you be?

>>719711970
Yeah TLOU's actual gameplay was pretty lacking, especially the braindead AI. At least 2 improved on that shit but there's still a focus of looking good over playing good

>>719709746
ivented the 3rd person camera but socom came out a year before mgs3

>>719712954
Except MGS humor is similar, its not funny at all, its
>DUDE ISNT THIS SO SILLY AND RANDUMB?
Also, humor belongs in comedies, humor anywhere else is a huge red flag, and its why no one but mindless drones think MGS has a good story.

>>719712862
Apparently you can't read you dumb fuck. I said Wildlands is an MGSV clone. You are making my point for me.

>>719708919
It's just Konami being retarded with firing the head writer/producer/director/creator of a game before it's finished because X-Fags were mad at missing out on the previous one.

>>719712705
You need to realise the presumption that a person is either an absolute genius or a hack is itself the mistake.
Kojima is just very good at particular things. He's clearly a better director than he is a writer. He's good at game design, he knows how to make things fun. He's good at scenario design, has an eye for visuals, an ear for music. He just can't write. He never got that sometimes you're supposed to infer an idea, instead of spelling it all out in agonising detail.

>>719712956
Whatever you say, Nitroid, you are still not providing a source, you are still not accounting for the millions they waste on that engine, and you are still wasting your finite time on Earth defending an unfinished product and crying on Twitter when proven wrong.

>>719713029
>focus of looking good over playing good
You can blame Squaresoft for that trend in Sony. Their whole thing from 7-10 as "look at how good these GRAPHIX are!", thus their love of CGI cutscenes.

>>719711970
>scripted melee combat
Sorry but MGSV has no real melee combat, you press R2 to win any CQC encounter in PP, yeah you can do jabs but why you actually use that for
>tank controls
Doesn’t make sense you don’t even know what that means, you STRAFE in last of us, that is not something a tank can do a tank can only go forward or back and turn hence tank controls. Constant strafing does not detract from stealth.
>Actual sound based mechanics
Literally means nothing, and not how games work. Lou and MGSV don’t account for decibels it’s not a thing, it checks the state of the player or object, see if what they did is suppose to make a sound then draws an AoE. You can make something have no audio effect in game but still treat it as a “loud action” in the game logic.
>Companions
Might as well not exist because they don’t for the most part they’re a weapon or vehicle even if they don’t seem like it. This is intentional, they will never be seen by the enemy unless you make them. D-Horse is a vehicle, D-Walker is also a vehicle, Quiet is a glorified sniper rifle and D-Dog might be the closest thing to a real companion in that game with his command being kill/stun. If you really want to hinge on the true evolution of MGSV stealth to D-Dog then sure he’s pretty cool.
>Weather modification
I don’t know if we should be expecting that in stealth games, that’s verging on toy box shit. Stealth being affected by weather is cool but it shouldn’t be something the player controls outside of Day/Night.(why anyone would choose Day time in MGSV is beyond me, even if the soldiers start to get NVG at night)

gotta be honest when I got to this part again I kinda wished I could just run down there MGSV style

>>719708870
>developers releasing unfinished games
>empty open world
>lack of story is intentional

>>719708769 (OP)
I can't think of anything influenced by MGSV

The truth is Kojima’s entire legacy was artificially created by western video game journalists, specifically because Kojima is the biggest Hollywood glazer to ever exist. Metal gear solid fans, are largely cattle who over rate the series because it is their first exposure to le quirky Japanese media, while being “safe” for western audiences because everything Kojima does is through the lens of someone that worships western media. It’s a novel idiosyncrasy, the whole wacky Japanese plots with a western backdrop, but to actually have anything but modest amusement for it is largely pathetic. There is nothing yo his games beyond that, shallow, modest amusement. Think of all the “mechanics” introduced in his games.

Do you have complex interactions between multiple mechanics that the occur in a natural way, leading to unique solutions to clever players? No, it’s something a player does for modest amusement. Setting up some porn magazines under a box or whatever the fuck isn’t done in a truly engaging way.

He’s not a bad director, but he is not a trend setter, he is not an auteur, most of output ranges from 7/10 to 8/10 which is commendable but not noteworthy. It’s a series that is marginally better than something like Sonic which is dragged down massively by a bloated list of sub par games, but I bring sonic up because the metal gear fandom is strikingly similar. Right down to the gay porn.

>>719713081
Yes, it's Japanese thus Japanese humor. Good job.
Are you pretending to be retarded or are you really this autistic?

>>719712721
Bro, have you seen Commando?

>>719713267
>he is not an auteur,
You don't even know what that word means.

>>719712909
>Yeah but he's retweeting an article that calls the game unfinished.
it also calls it a masterpiece. he also retweets endless random shit including literal furry fanart of DS. i don't really care if you have a hate boner for kojima and i don't really care if kojima wanted to dick around development for another couple of years. what i care about is that MGSV leaves nothing unresolved. you don't have to be a sperg about it. let's be honest we are both 30 years old here. just tell me what story like you believe is unresolved and i will answer it.

>>719711337
last of us fuck me 2 is better gameplay wise then V
play that fucking retarded game on grounded having 5 bullets an a army of shit wanting to kill you gets so tense and no mgs has gave me that tense feeling

>>719713187
>you are not providing a source
This comes from the same people who have no clue what MGSV's budget is despite insisting it went overbudget for a whole decade.

By the way, here's my source: https://www.nikkei.com/article/DGXMZO89986400R30C15A7000000/

>>719708769 (OP)
>influencing

wat? it's just another shitty empty open world meme with "bandit camps" and shit

>>719713303
https://youtu.be/_wk-jT9rn-8?si=AhKdEBz1Xz5lI_RM

Yes, have you?

>>719713390
Good source, bro.

>>719712057
>IF they make 6, it will start Solid Snake.
have you fucking played 4, why does v want fucking spin-offs as the next numbered game

>>719713285
And japanese humor is as retarded as MCU humor.
And humor doesnt belong outside of comedies because in 99% of the cases it wont fit the story.
What does humor add to things like MGS, Dragon Ball or superhero movies?
Nothing, its a product of writers being insecure about writing something serious, with the logic of "if I make fun of the plot first people might think the plot is supposed to be stupid and wont judge me".

>Hello sirs. Kojima is a hack! Am I a gamer now?
No Ranjeet.

>>719713512
I got the link from here
https://www.psu.com/news/metal-gear-solid-v-cost-over-80-million-to-develop-says-nikkei-report/

By the way, all I did was search in google how much MGSV cost, you'd think you fags would have tried searching for that after a decade of daily seething about it.

>>719713356
You are a porn addict.

>>719712909
I'm pretty sure he retweeted something about him raping 12 year old girls a couple years back. I don't think we should take his twitter antics too seriously. He just likes and shares things that he finds funny. The whole meme about him being a hack is funny and somewhat true which is why he is able to laugh about it. That doesn't mean he'd like it if someone went up to his face right now and called MGSV a pile of shit.

>>719712954
The thing is, MGS isn’t self aware. It’s just “so bad it’s good” schlock.

>>719713029
>especially the braindead AI
v's not got braindead AI?

>>719713441
That's humor, you dope.

>>719713661
No its not, its bad period.

>>719713126
you don't understand a fucking thing, you are so ungodly stupid it can not be real

>>719713521
Did I say it was a good idea to make another game with Solid?

>>719713527
>ONLY comedies can have humor in them! Everything else has to be super fucking serious at all times! No quips, No one liners, No jokes, No visual gags! Nothing should be goofy or over the top. It needs to be super fucking serious at all times!
You don't belong on 4chan zoomer.

>>719713661
It’s not really, it’s trite and boring

>>719713527
Humor is like half the point of MGS. You just don't like the series.
MGS without the humor would be any other military action game. Pick one, and be happy. Play Spec Ops: The Line.

>>719713769
>Did I say it was a good idea to make another game with Solid?
say something stupid then backtrack, cause your a fucking esl paki punk thats not even played the games

>>719713828
humor is not the point its like everything japanese you go ehh ok

>>719713769
No, what's the point?

>>719713828
The point of MGS is piss and shit jokes?
I'm understanding less and less how this franchise's story developed a fanbase, nor how could anyone obsess over it so much to spend 10 years seething that MGSV didnt have any story.

>>719713828
And Spec Ops has a way better story than MGS.
I have no idea where you fags come from, you are the same people that ruined Star Wars.

>Zoomers are trying to tell us that 80's action movies didn't have jokes now
Have you seen these movies?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EXjfvx-k1Ms

>>719714049
I dont remember Apocalypse Now having many jokes.

>>719714049
Metal gear solid is not an 80s action movie

>>719713638
I see you have nothing to say so you are throwing out random insults. Aka, you mad.

>>719713661
MGS is "self aware" of it's own schlockiness. It leans into it with 2 and never stops.

>>719713682
Yea, that's my point. Humor in non comedies is a normal and can be a good thing. The only people who cry about it are pretentious cunts and zoomers who only know MCU movies.

>>719710102
>>which was supposed to conclude with the Episode 51 DLC.
>there was never going to be such a thing.
The game's files say otherwise.

>>719714135
Metal gear is just kojima copying the 80s action movies he likes

>>719713952
It's at least half the point, yes.
As much as anything, MGS is famous for silly easter eggs and 4th wall breaks. Everyone always loved that there was a hidden codec for getting peed on, or you could cause a time paradox by killing Ocelot.
>>719714027
>you ruined MGS by not telling them to take the jokes out
ok. I don't think you like MGS.

>>719714175
You have no idea what “self aware” means.

>>719714126
That's neither an 80's movie, or an action movie.
Also, there is humor in Apocalypse Now.

>>719714197
The DLC is Episode 51, which does link up Liquid's story to MGS1 by showing how he ended up with Psycho Mantis.

>>719714135
Look again.

>>719714219
> I don't think you like MGS.
No I dont, I only liked MGSV, and I hated the plot of every other game.

>>719714219
>As much as anything, MGS is famous for silly easter eggs and 4th wall breaks. Everyone always loved that there was a hidden codec for getting peed on, or you could cause a time paradox by killing Ocelot.
I talked about this here, it’s why metal gear is a mediocre series.
>>719713267
You are correct. It’s known for moments that give passing amusement. That’s all there is

>>719708769 (OP)
how many games mix military stealth action and paranormal scifi themes?

>>719714135
One of you referenced Commando as an example of a movie without quip humor.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b4rrgdWBFi8

>>719714219
But that's the worst parts of MGS.

>>719714395
Makes sense, MGS plot is retarded.

>>719714474
Pretty much any Star Wars game.

>>719713679
You don't know what braindead AI looks like until you've played the first TLOU, trust me. It is baffling how bad it is. They kept hyping up how smart the AI is before launch with obviously scripted footage only for the final game to have some of the worst AI of any shooter in the history of the medium, holy fuck. And people defended that shit like crazy.

If you got some time to kill, I recommend reading Hyperbithero's Neogaf thread "Why The Last Of Us Was Disappointing" (can't link it thx 4chin) where Sonyfags kept coping about how the AI totally wasn't dumbed down. It is a hilarious read:
https://www.neogaf.com/threads/why-the-last-of-us-was-disappointing-video.758774/

>>719714319
Apocalypse now really isn’t humorous at all. Even the wackiest characters like the Robert Duvall one with the surfing is more absurdist than “funny”. You don’t laugh at charlie don’t surf

>>719714579
>>719714474
Oh wait, I didnt see the "stealth" part.

>>719714525
Why do you even play MGS games and not any other military action game?
There's an implicit tongue in cheek humor about the entire series. That goes back to the silly gags in the MSX games, like Big Boss telling you to turn off your console.

>>719714498
Maybe you should reply to the relevant post then. I am fully aware 80s flicks were full of quips and one liners. Metal gear solid is not an 80s action movie.

>>719708769 (OP)
He didn't finish it on purpose to inflict a 'phantom pain' upon himself. Wow, what a genius.

>>719708936
Given his relationship with Konami now, probably not

>>719714474
Wolfenstein (the old ones)
Deep State (upcoming game)

>>719714704
I dont, I only liked MGSV and MGR

>>719714636
It's darkly humorous. It's making a point about what a shitshow the Vietnam war was.

>>719714715
No, it's half 80's action movie, and half anime.

>>719713869
>Assume I said something
>get corrected
>Double down on the assumption

>>719713952
My point is,
IF Konami were to make a MGS 6. They would use Solid Snake because he is the main character of the franchise. They would just retcon/ignore the ending of 4 or have it set between 2 and 4.
What you could imply I said was a good idea was them remaking Metal Gear(MSX). Which is still not a great idea mind you, just a better idea than them making whole new MGS games.
I would prefer them to let the MGS franchise die and move forward with Metal Gear Rising.

>>719712472
Shill spotted. Only reason that drunk got the job was because Kojima loves to suck anglo cock.

>>719708839
>water is wet
it isnt

>the point of MGS is humor
>meanwhile everyone here got hyped up on MGSV's trailers which promised a serious and grimdark plot
The whole defense of MGS humor is just a cope, no one likes it just like no one likes Dragon Ball's humor, people just shrug it off as japanese retardation.

>>719708964
Its not just the lack of ending, its the whole game. Its empty for one. I assume it was supposed to have more bigger complex areas like Ground Zeroes base. Also -supposedly there would be a part where you infiltrate your own base that you build.
-other rumors are that it was supposed to end with a remake of sorts of MG1 from the POV of Venom Snake, where VS fights Solid Snake.
-bigger plot for Quiet
-a whole third of the game about Solidus and the metal gear he steals at the end.
Overall i would say its less than half finished, maybe like 45%. It really is missing a lot.

>>719715001
good morning reddit

>>719714945
>They would use Solid Snake because he is the main character of the franchise
I doubt it, just like their first remake was MGS3 and not MGS1.
People nowadays associate MGS with Raiden and Big Boss, not with Solid Snake.

>>719712458
The only thing I can think of Ghost Recon Wildlands does that MGS5 doesn't is being coop, and yes I do agree that MGS5 needs coop. It should have been that your buddy could take control of the buddy you brought in on a mission if you just bring in a standard solider and not like Quiet or DDog or whatever.

>>719715031
Oh also another rumor is there was supposed to be a large battle between the metal gear vs Venom Snake and his army, so everyone you recruited throughout the game would fight with you in a large scale battle.

Expectation:
>Fight against Zero and his Patriots who basically control the entire world
>Build Outer Heaven
>Final boss is Solid Snake
Reality:
>You just go around saving starving African children and that's it

>>719715031
>rumors
Not one is true, its just retarded shit people here made up.

>>719715128
That's not a rumor, thats what Episode 51 would be.

>>719715145
Then i dont know, because the hame is literally a patchwork of barely coherent scenarios put together and clearly unfinished level design.

In the 2000s we got unfinished VtMB
In the 2010s we got unfinished MGSV: TPP
In the 2020s we got?

>>719715023
Good point

>>719715136
Notice how there's not a single mention of gameplay.
This is why MGSfags are cancer.
Videogames are not for storytelling.

>>719714135
Metal Gear Solid as a franchise is Kojima making his own 80s action/B-Movie/Exploitation film. 3 bashes you over the fucking head with that, half of the codec calls are about movies.

>>719714945
They should remake the MSX games in the sense of taking the basic framework of the plot, but then making a whole other game out of it.
At some point the plot could break away from the MSX game in a big way to surprise people (like there's a whole chapter where you play as Liquid? idk)

>>719714627
I’m watching this video and I’m not seeing how MGSV enemy ai is that much better. If anything V ai is a downgrade to MGS4 enemy ai

It's FarCry 3 that was the real game-changer, faggot.

>>719715259
Generic movie + generic mecha anime

>>719715226
It is, it just prioritizes player freedom.
And its the reason why people still play it to this day.

>>719714874
Not really. That scene is the start of the descent into madness. There’s nothing funny about cattle being ritualistically slaughtered at the end

>>719715086
this is about the most retarded statement I have read in this thread

>>719715336
No it wasn't, FC3 was awful.

>>719715023
Apart from the whole hijinks of Kojima pretending to be a different guy, and coming out on stage in a mask, during the hype phase.
Apart from like half of Ground Zeroes being silly shit like Snatcher references.

>>719715086
I really do hope that is true for Raiden. I think there is a better chance of getting a good character action game outta Konami than a MGS game.

>>719715256
If I wanted to enjoy action stealth gameplay, then I would just re-play Splinter Cell CT.

>>719715136
Expectation: movie

Reality: videogame

>>719715247
VTMB has an actual beginning, middle and end. MGSV is literally just random shit out together, for example people here talk.about Mission 51, but if you go and actually analyze each mission you realize that maybe 20 of them are related to the main plot. There is a point in the game where missions literally start being repeated, not as in two missions are similar, as in literally "Mission G is Mission B, but just slightly harder" They are even called recollections or something, like in game i think its supposed to he Venom remembering a mission he literally just completed. Believe me the game is incomplete, it has random shit like that everywhere.

>>719715086
Casual fans don't really get that Snake isn't one guy. That's why Snake in Smash Bros is just Snake, and represents every Snake.

>>719714931
It’s neither. It’s a video game. >>719715259
Metal gear solid is a video game, it’s not a movie

>>719715421
And who the fuck cared about all that secondary shit in GZ. Hell, one thing I've seen people say constantly is they wish MGSV was as dark as GZ.

>>719715086
Raiden trains Sunny to be the next (sexy) cyborg ninja. Snake is on Codec as an AI that stored all his knowledge and personality. You get the boomer and the coomer audience.
Three-quarters of the way through the game AI Snake tells Raiden to look behind him. Cutscene ensues where the real Snake has snuck up behind him (he's still got it), and it turns out he wasn't an AI, they were just hiding the fact that he was still alive so the Patriots or whoever the fuk didn't find him. Snake looks at Raiden's cyborg body and says 'Kept you waiting, huh? Thanks for test-driving tge gear for me', and the camera reveals Snake has been souped up and kept alive with his own cyborg parts. From that point on you can switch between Raiden, Sunny and Snake. The whole game can be played single player or co-op sneaking through areas together, and other players online can enter the area at any time as an enemy guard. Kino and profits ensue.

kojima is making a lot of MGS related posts on instagram lately.....

>>719715349
Anon it doesn't do that, that just happened because they had to fill the game with something, so it was filled with challenge type missions with no plot.

>>719715535
People who played it.

>>719715548
The people yearn for Physint.

>>719715548
That's because Death Stranding 2 flopped. Sony probably told him he is not going to have a 3rd game.

>>719715480
Yes, MGSV is a videogame and doesnt care about storytelling, like how videogames should be.
I have no clue how anyone put up with the endless cutscenes and shit writing of MGS1, 2, 3 and 4 and wanted more of that.

>>719715548
Unpopular opinion but i hope his next game is not MGS, he is supposedly making Physint, which i wanna see because its gonna be something new. He worked on MGS for decades, i wanna see new stuff from the guy.

>>719715548
>Kojima is making a lot of [Game he made] posts lately
Holy... FUCK!!!

>>719715548
>ME ME ME IT WAS MEEEEEEE !!! ROOK AT ME I MADE THE METAL GIAR !!!!

>>719715556
And that's good, its a videogame, not a movie, they should have made the entire game like that, just increasingly difficult missions.

>>719715247
>Xenogears, Vagrant Story, FFXII, FFXIII, FFVersus, KH3

>>719715672
what the fuck does this MEAN............

>>719714814
>>Deep State (upcoming game)
Oh right, that imsim. It's not out yet?

>>719715546
>plot plot plot
God just fuck off already, how can people be this obsessed with Metal Gear's garbage story

reading this thread...
>he admitted it
he retweets a lot
>it's unfinished
mgsv doesn't leave loose ends for any characters
>but Episode 51
it's a video of half finished concepts that leaves things unresolved
>but eli's story is not complete
Eli's leaves with Saha that's repurposed in MG REX, episode 51 ruins that
>but you are defending kojima
konami locked him away from his team for some months, no enough time to make another episode
>but MGSV has no story
it has 5 hours of cutscenes and 6 hours of tapes
>but MGSV has a bad story
ok?
>but MG has bad writing
why are you wasting your time in this thread?
>but it's unfished!
it's a 40 hour game that can easily go up to 100 hours
>the story is unfished!
crickets when i ask what story line is unfinished
>you are defending an unfinished game
but all my questions are answered

guys you need a new hobby

>>719715672
what about THIS then? chapter 3 CONFIRMED coming after 10 years.

>>719715113
There is a coop mod, out for a month already.

>>719715548
>Maestro Kojima
FUUAAAAARK

>>719708769 (OP)
huh?
how it influenced it?

>>719715672
I think everyone got the idea but I have to point out that he didn't make that particular game because it's a remake of his game made by random pajeets.

>>719715548
Maestro Kojima regresa a Metal Gear ay virgencita de la creatividad <3333

>>719715527
MGS4 is 1 hour of gameplay, 9 hours of cutscene.

>>719715670
his next game is the horror NotSilent Hill game with Hunter Schaffer.

I don't get why people hate MGSV's story so much. Sure it's not what Kojimbo promised but put that aside and whatever's there is pretty decent. Can't really tell you what other games that have their plot and lore conveyed to you via playable recordings that are all pretty damn entertaining to listen to all while you pop and drop niggas.

Sure some plot points are stinkers but none of them are quite as bad as what MGS4 did. In fact some of the tapes were to address the bullshit introduced there like Ocelot's hypnosis and what Zero's been up to.

>>719715670
Are you like new or something? He got fucking fired from Konami 10 years ago. He can't make MGS, Konami owns it.

>>719715783
Plot and story are not the same thing. If you are going to spam the thread and embarass yourself, at least reduce the ridicule by learning the meaning of the words you are spamming. Not trying to be mean, but you know that you are wasting your own time and everyone elses.

>>719715585
Complete revisionism.
Remove humor from MGS and its just a straight up improvement.

>>719710170
>wannabe MGS

1. No, they don't. There's not a single copycat series, and that's because...
2. It's shit as an actual stealth game. It took until Phantom Pain to introduce the most basic gameplay elements that have been part of the genre since the 90s.

Reminder - MGS came out the same year as THIEF.

The latter is a fully realized stealth game with a myriad of mechanics, an intriguing story that doesn't take you out of the action, timeless aesthetics, a great soundtrack, and an iconic voiceover.

The former is fucking Pac-Man when it comes to mechanics; interrupts you every 10 minutes with tedious, long, boring cutscenes; has plagiarized its theme song; has no actual stealth mechanics; steals everything from American movies, including the main character; and is shockingly short as a game when you take out the cutscenes.

>>719715943
I would bet money that shit is canceled man, it was funded my MS who just canceled a bunch of games it was funding, and more importantly the game was meant to show off cloud computing back when cloud was the hot new thing, nowdays its not anymore and MS has no need to show off their cloud infrastructure in game form.

>>719715974
konami wants him back

>>719715546
holy BASED

>>719715993
Its not spam, its reminding MGSfags that videogames are about gameplay.
Storytelling in videogames will never be good.

>>719715960
>Can't really tell you what other games that have their plot and lore conveyed to you via playable recordings that are all pretty damn entertaining to listen to all while you pop and drop niggas.

>System Shock
>System Shock 2
>BioShock
>BioShock 2
>BioShock Infinite

>>719715784
>Eli's leaves with Saha that's repurposed in MG REX,
That's not what happens in MGS1. Like, at all.
Otacon builds MG Rex at Shadow Moses, and then Liquid leads a raid on the facility.

>>719709303
The point is more games are being released unfinished - influenced by Lazio Kojima

>>719711574
ah fuck this reminds me
does anyone have the /v/ sings MGSV Take On Me parody? jewtube deleted it

Now that the dust has settled, can we agree that huey is the best character in the game?

I dread tomorrow thanks to all of you making my enjoyment of this game miserable

"uhmmmm so yeah Liquid and Mantis run away with a Metal Gear and the vocal parasite and you don't know what happens to them but thats ok the game is really finished guys btw I'm trans"

>>719716252
fuck off huey

>>719708769 (OP)
>he finally admitted
SAAR
DO NOT REDEEM DICTIONARY

>>719715784
>Eli's leaves with Saha that's repurposed in MG REX, episode 51 ruins that
why the fuck would you downgrade sahalanthropus so hard like that?

How much of MGS is due to Kojima and how much of it is due to talented people working for him? Anytime we hear about a visionary or talented person taking credit for a team effort there's always a handful of really, really competent people actually doing everything behind the scenes

>>719716275
I have no idea why people keep saying this when the Episode 51 footage ks right there.
MGSfags genuinely hsve the lowest IQ in /v/, though that was obvious when people here said MGS1 was genius.

>>719716106
Yeah ok forget I said that part

>>719716379
>talent
What talent?
Metal Gear's plot was trash from beginning to end, and until MGSV it had garbage gameplay.

>>719716269
That guy looks so much like Snake and now I'm thinking about sucking his cock for sweet $$
Am I gay?

>>719716376
Because that's not what happens in the game.
How are people trying to talk about MGS without having played MGS1?
Fucking kids, get off the internet.

>>719708769 (OP)
What a fucking hack.
Can't believe /v/ had hyped this mongoloid for years; it was almost said seeing all of the dicksucking right up to MGS5's release.

>>719716380
Kojima is basically the Mussolini of videogames, they got the same cult of personality.

>>719716379
you can just compare Death Stranding with Metal Gear Survive and draw a conclusion from there

>>719716468
i know that's not what happens, i'm pointing out that it's retarded to think that it is

>>719715960
was this the Ghost Recon game with the weirdest dialog or are they all like this?

>>719708769 (OP)
>MGSV influence
What? MGSV was very basic game, it literally can't influence anything because outside of retarded shit like Quite who can't talk because space cancer and who can't write because fuck you that's why there was nothing interesting

>>719716376
>why the fuck would you downgrade sahalanthropus so hard like that?
because saha doesn't actually work.
>>719716468
>How are people trying to talk about MGS without having played MGS1?
anon pls.

>>719715086
>People nowadays associate MGS with Raiden and Big Boss, not with Solid Snake.
not like the former character matters when they always use MGS2 raiden instead of MGR raiden for promo material for the last 7 or so years

>>719716513
Except you fags say the same shit.
Its like everyone who is into MGS is a fucking schizo, like these fags who have spent an entire decade having daily meltdowns because MGSV had no plot, or worse, the retards who liked Metal Gear's plot.

>>719716252
His son canonically fucks his second wife and so he kills himself. He's the most silly written character in all of metal gear.

>>719716379
The "you took credit for someone else's work" crowd don't understand what a director does.
The artists wouldn't have anything to design without someone telling them what to design. And I'm sure like 50 concepts get vetoed before we land on the stuff that actually makes it into the game.

>>719716569
What the fuck is this ESL even trying to say.

Is Wildlands actually fun? It was on sale for $7.49.

>>719716623
I can bet almost any money that, should the series have continued, it would've been revealed he faked his suicide.

>>719716673
>I'm mutt
weird flex

>>719716485
Yeah, people were hyped for him to deliver a movie and instead he gave people a videogame.
Its why MGSV is, along with MGR, the only Metal Gears that haven't been completely forgotten.

>>719716573
Sahalantrodoodle is in no way shape or form Metal Gear Rex. Otacon built Metal Gear Rex, after being influenced by anime. They explain this stuff at length.

>>719716729
Its MGSV if you gave it more environmental variety but absolutely atrocious controls.
Also for some goddamn reason it requires to log into a server which sometimes might not do, preventing you from playing it.

>>719716804
>Otacon built Metal Gear Rex
pls consult the wiki.

>>719716584
That was just Fortnite, not long after Master Collection dropped which was probably why they went with that. He had his Rising design in Astro Bot which came out later.

>>719716903
he lead the development, yeah.

>>719716515
I liked MG:S quite a lot more than DS so there you go

>>719716515
Survive is one of the best Survival games out there and really didn't deserve all the shit it got. It had problems but it was still a very competently done game and I am unironically sad we won't be getting more of it (maybe this time without the forced Kojima-esqe plot).

>>719715402
You only hate it because it set the template for open world slop for 12 years and counting. It popularized:
>Map towers
Yes, AssCreed did it first.
>Enemy camps as POIs
Earlier Cry games did this, too
>Marking enemies before approaching
MGS, Splinter Cell, SOCOM all had this to some extent by 2004
>Contiguous open world in a genre other than GTA
Many games did this, you retard
>Survival elements outside of survival games
Trash mechanic done in PC sim games since the late '80s
>Random events
Fable, Elder Scrolls, etc.
BUT YOU'RE MISSING THE FUCKING POINT. Far Cry is the first big modern game to bring all of these features together. It did it before Breath of the Wild, MGSV, and The Witcher 3. Like it or not, it is the grandfather of open world slop.

>>719716737
Yeah I guess it wouldn't be the worst offender in the series as far as bringing back someone who should be dead, but I don't really see why. Huey literally only exists for the sake of PW/MGS5. Maybe if Emma lived in MGS2 it might make sense to bring him back because that's the only context in which Otacon's father ever mattered before PW/MGS5.

>>719716929
all metal gear projects are connected started with shago.

>>719716984
What? Its a generic resource farming simulator set in a world that's just light brown everywhere.

Play Dying Light, it does everything Survive tries but actually succeeds.

>>719710282
Because MGSV is already Ubislop. Kojima stole from Ubisoft, not vice versa.

>>719708919
>Phantom Pain too
>Phantom Pain 2
>MGSV2 = MGSX => Metal Gear: Solid X => You get the 'play solid infiltrating Venoms base' finale
YOU ARE A GENIUS

>>719717107
Anon, what do you think the survival genre is about?

>>719717035
The doesn't mean Rex wasn't an entirely different machine.

>>719716998
No, I hated it at launch because it was a downgrade from Far Cry 2 in every way, specially when it came to tech.

>>719717130
what do you mean? it doesn't even have ubisoft towers
or anything else on the map for that matter

>>719715784
>Netroid still at it.

>>719715546
This sounds so good.

>>719717007
If only because committing suicide absolutely does not fit his personality.

As to the role in the story - the usual mad scientist routine.

After all Huey isn't that bad of a person. He didn't know about the attack on Mother Base; the actual traitor working with Cypher was Miller; the virus on Mother Base 2 was spread by Eli; and Strangelove was a complete lunatic who used Huey - the only question there was "which one would murder the other first."

>>719717130
How? Ubislop open worlds are defined by having towerd to uncover maps, territory conquest side activities and a billion collectables.
MGSV's open world is made for missions to happen in them, the closest thing to Ubisoft shit is finding blueprints.

Caramel is tying his noose as we speak.

>>719717163
The worst genre of all, its a genre that seems to get away with whats basically procedurally generated content.

>>719713185
Nuance is not welcomed here, brother. As you can see with the hate flowing through the thread, either for V or for the older games. For example look at the moron summarizing the entire series as piss and shit jokes.

You're right, though. No one is good at everthing and games are done by a team. The team matters, it's why we got directors of great games doing kickstarters and churning out mediocre or bad games.

>>719717368
I'm not summarizing the entire series as piss and shit jokes. I'm saying humor is entwined with the basic DNA of the series.
Even hiding under a cardboard box is a visual gag.

>>719713185
>instead of spelling it all out in agonising detail
I watched some Japanese movies recently and I'm starting to think that that's just their culture is in the context for fictional works. Everything feels like a theatre play.

>>719714135
is v full of fucking stupid ppl

>>719714627
seek help

>>719714945
>>Assume I said something
>>get corrected
>>Double down on the assumptio
no you are just a silly little boy

>MGSV
>Acid 2
>MGS3D
>Twin Snakes
Let me guess, you NEED more.

>>719715023
love bleach, hate the stupid japanese humor
anime after ten years cuts all the dumb humor cause there in a fucked war vs the jew god and its now better then the manga
crazy that

>>719715430
mgr sold like fucking shit

>>719717892
>Twin Snakes
Based. Still my favorite MGS game. Its crazy no one else liked it.

>B-b-but first person ruins it
So don't use first person then, shitter.

>>719717914
>loves a comic made for 7 year old boys
Maybe you're too developmentally disabled for MGS

>>719717972
Because it was Raiden.
Do MGR but as an MGS prequel with Gray Fox

>>719715113
wildlands does enemy AI that fights other AI v cant do that
wildlands does cars and air travel that feels pretty good vs the shit thats in v
wildlands has better scouting
theres quite alot wl does better

sometime people have those thread about what game would you make if you had unlimited money, time, whatever.

i wouldnt make my own game. id make kojima and his team go back to MGSV and finish it, and add any addition shit they wanted to into it. id complete that game because its genuinely the goat.

>>719718070
the baby comic has more depth then hers the boss shes the best and every loves her and shes the 1st in space and shes got a lesbo lover that makes her an AI

Modded MGSV >>>>>>> any other game in the franchise.

>>719710102
>there was never going to be such a thing.
you don't know what you're talking about
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-B4JIHh5Jqk
they even had scenes and audio recorded
you're some dumb dicord/redditor try to "troll" here, right?

>>719718037
If I was going to play MGS1 right now, I'd probably play Twin Snakes. It is just more fun.
It gets a weird amount of hate, that I suspect is largely coming from people who didn't play it.
People changed things in Genius Kojima's game, so it has to be bad, and there's also some low-key console warring going on with it being a GC exclusive (which admittedly I don't understand, and is kind of stupid. They should have just put all of the games on the PS2 and the GC, at that point)

>>719718360
playing as a woman, you are a troon

>>719708870
It heavily influenced Death Stranding 2.

>>719718451
>controls that trivialize the entire game
>cutscenes going full retard with Snake doing backflips and 360 no scoping Sniper Wolf

>>719718563
>i don't care. it's fun
>i don't care. it's fun

>>719718563
>Cutscenes going full retard
You mean full awesome.

>>719718495
Yeah, was looking through my recruits and found a hot one. Plus only the female ones can wear The Boss' outfit.

>>719708870
They literally just made a new metal gear game that learned all the right lessons from V

>>719718563
>>cutscenes going full retard with Snake doing backflips and 360 no scoping Sniper Wolf
And there's nothing wrong with that. Kojimbo probably saw Versus by Ryuhei Kitamura back in 2000, was impressed because an indie Japanese director made a semi-popular action movie, and got him for Twin Snakes. Twin Snakes is fun for anyone who grew up in the 80s/90s, but I do suppose the modern audience is too irony poisoned to enjoy something like that.

>>719715001
>wetness at a molecular level are molecules being surrounded by water molecules
>water, by it's definition, is surrounded by itself
>somehow not wet
(You)

>>719718942
MGS already has tons of retarded shit, last thing it needs is even more.
Then again, MGS1 would need a full rewrite to not be stupid.

>>719719056
>MGS already has tons of retarded shit, last thing it needs is even more.
You mean cool shit. Get the stick out of your ass

>>719718942
>but I do suppose the modern audience is too irony poisoned to enjoy something like that.
You know sometimes something is just stupid regardless of whether or not it wears it on it's sleeve

>>719719095
No, has a ton of retardation, period.

>>719719104
Doing a backflip off a missile and turning your back to explosions are cool and fun.

>>719719189
You know what would have been cool? If you could get away with killing child soldiers in MGSV.
Backflipping off missiles is just plain dumb.

>>719718563
>>cutscenes going full retard with Snake doing backflips and 360 no scoping Sniper Wolf

Eva backflips a motorcycle using ocelots face, from a standstill, in MGS3.

What the fuck are you talking about?

>>719710267
I used to think like this until I looked at the development cost of MGSV compared to its contemporaries.
MGSV was quite cheap, all things considered.

>>719718563
>Game was already piss easy
>Skipped all the cutscenes due to having already replayed the original dozens of times
Get a real argument

>>719719335
>boss, you just killed a child!
>that right there, is why you're the best, boss!

>>719719335
>t. psyop'd potential school shooter

how do we know that we are not playing as medic in 3/delta?

>>719708769 (OP)
would he forgive konami if they gave him 100 million to make a final chapter?

>>719719504
No, I just want a war game in Africa with a realistic setting.

>>719718942
twin snaks is the lowest selling thing of mgs pls kill yourself anon

>>719718360
any recommended mods? can you get banned? I installed infinite heaven but the available options are pretty overwhelming

>>719708769 (OP)
Every plot point added in MGSV is the most retarded bullshit Kojima could have pulled out of his ass. Also, Kiefer Sutherland fucking sucks as a voice actor. Dude sounded like he was half asleep for every line.

>>719720019
lol the dumbest argument of all time
fucking fornite is the best game ever by that logic you dumbfuck

>>719720019
It was on the GC, which already didn't sell that well as a console.

>>719714752
Konami's entire board of directors could drop dead and get replaced by a gaggle of pro-Kojima people and he still wouldn't finish it. He's moved on to his mail delivery simulator.

>>719720071
Infinite Heaven, the Camp Omega mod, the side ops packs that add new ones, but IH is the biggest one, you can transform the entire game, the open world aspect mostly, with it.
You just need to learn to fiddle with it.
There's also a mod that makes female recruits hotter if you want.

>>719720431
And good thing he did, because DS shits on MGS

>>719720250
A remake of 1
got outsold by metal gear fucking acid and portble ops
its shit and ppl didnt like it
>>719720341
I had a GC unlike you, it didn't sell well cause it had nothing a retarded kid that doesn't love poke a mon would want

>>719720431
>mail delivery simulator.
nope its his new sneaking game now

>>719719189
The reason Twin Snakes pisses me off is because shit like that defies characterization. I would have no problem seeing cyborg gray fox backflipping off a missile because he's augmented. I cant believe i have to get this autistic with it, but in-universe it's demonstrated that gray fox can do impossible acrobatics and feats of strength because of his cyborg body. None of the snakes ever demonstrate such abilities, besides Solidus, who is wearing an augmented super suit.

And, Twin Snakes literally just copies and pastes not just the gameplay style but also the codec interface. It's lazy as fuck. Couldnt be bothered to remake the MGS1 codec interface to match the style of MGS1.

>>719716513
>Kojima is basically the Mussolini of videogames, they got the same cult of personality.
>look in my eyes
>what do you see?
>another shitty post on /v/

>>719720808
There's like dozens of good GC games that aren't Pokemon. It didn't sell well because the PS2 just steamrolled everything that generation.
People barely noticed that the GC had an amazing Resident Evil game, for example.

>>719720808
again, if you think sales equal quality I don't even know how you ended up on /v/

>>719717272
ubisoft hasnt been using towers for years now

>>719708769 (OP)
apparently mgsv runs on a toaster lol

>>719720696
DS wouldve been a great walking simulator and mailman simulator, since I actually liked those aspects, were it not for the goddamn exposition dump story that still doesnt make sense after hours of explaining. Like, i just want to play the game but the characters just keep talking and talking and talking, and calling you and calling you and calling you. And all these in-game concepts are just superfluous to the extreme.
>Ok you have the BB, and you dont want BB to cry when he sees the BTs. So you must avoid the BTs and soothe your BB.
>Sam. Sam? Sam. Sam! Sam. Sam. Sam!
>Wahhhhhh. Goo goo. Goo goo. Wahhhh.

>>719720945
snakes jumps off a bridge at the start of mgs2
ocelot jumps 10 meters in the air during the final showdown in mgs2 to get on ray
eva doing backflips with her bike
I get your point but it's not as airtight as you make it out to be

You gotta legit be a brainless retard to think this is a finished game

fuck it
i'm playing twin snakes on emulator and if it's good, you are all faggots

>>719722186
It’s like a bollywood version of the original don’t be a redditor

>>719721450
I agree. The worst part of DS is kojima’s storytelling. It’s so weird too this is a game about fucking walking you couldn’t have incorporated some of expository cutscenes during actual gameplay

>>719722186
so... you like to play... NINTENDO games...

>>719712862
Retard

>>719712081
Is this Loss?

>>719720945
Twin Snakes becomes fun canon if you treat it as Otacon's otaku fanboy retelling of the events of MGS instead of a true remake.

>>719711792
Except I love both MGSV and Death Stranding. Maybe consider taking your meds instead of shouting at the boogeymen in your head, lil bro

>>719722186
It’s great. Fags that take themselves too serious hate it for some cutscenes being too over-the-top compared to og

>>719709781
He's right though. And I disagree with him on his other takes (especially him continuing to praise Kojima despite Kojima being an extremely flawed director and writer), but he's right about this.
Where's the actual proof it is unfinished? The leaked script literally disproved it. I used to be in the Never Be Game Over camp until that script came out and pretty much proved that Chapter 3 was always a figurative chapter, not a literal one.
>Phantom Chico was cut because Kojima had zero ideas for him. There's literally no lines for him in the script, and he was evidently cut early enough circa 2014 given we'd otherwise know his voice actor and motion capture guy.
>Nothing about the script indicates anything of a Chapter 3 continuation
>Episode 51 was clearly intended to be post-launch DLC, not the base game. It's intended to solve a subplot
>Shit like Battle Gear was scrapped because Kojima considered it "unbalanced" (whatever the fuck that means).
>The only potential genuine cut content was the return to Camp Omega, but the only proof of that is an out-of-context screenshot. But I like to believe this was the only genuine piece of cut content that was scrapped due to time restraints.
In short, it's not unfinished. At best, it was meant to have post-launch DLCs, but that doesn't define unfinished, especially when it's scummy to cut the story into pieces and serve it up in DLC. His work with Death Stranding proves as much that he doesn't know how to structure a story anymore.

>>719710075
It's not because it was flat-out going to be post-launch DLC. Not a conclusion. We have no other proof of anything else. Otherwise Phantom Chico would've been moved to DLC instead of being outright scrapped.

>>719710102
The fuck are you smoking? Episode 51 was definitely going to be a thing. But it was post-launch DLC. Not a part of the vanilla game. It's the only unfinished element that we have 100% proof was going to be a DLC. Everything else was finished. Period.

>>719722186
Also don’t forget to fix the codec bug if you get a blue background.

>>719720954
no I said the only fucking reason I brought it was for pokemon colosseum
I had a ps2 no in my house there was three ps2's

>>719720071
What >>719720556 said, but your mileage may vary with Infinite Heaven. Especially for the co-op mod which sadly is incompatible with IH. You'll have to experiment with mods until you find the right combination of mods that work together.

>>719711456
>He most likely sign a NDA when he was fired.
why did he sign it?

>>719722747
>Shit like Battle Gear was scrapped because Kojima considered it "unbalanced" (whatever the fuck that means).
Man that asshole is just taking the piss isn't he

Hideo and Kojima... the creator of the Empty World Game genre... another bad refight against Sahelanthropus... and it would have been saved...

>>719722924
if he didn't sign it then he couldn't get fired

>shitter trying to claim thief is a stealth game
>its literally a fps zombie game with no stealth mechanics and permanent lights everywhere after the first 2 levels prohibiting you from sneaking anywhere
its like people citing shit theyve never played and have no idea what the game b comes
like broo, nobody was"influenced" by thief lol, and everyone got influenced by movie game cutscene simulator extraordinaire mr kojima . literally every heavily praised game by v is a fucking cutscene sim for fucking retards thanks to kojima.

its like everyone pretending xbox fanboys werent the cancer that brought monthly subscriptions to use your own god damn internet

I still hate enemy helicopters in MGS5. Especially when you have to shoot them down during armored vehicle/tank unit eliminations.

>>719714135
Have you never seen Escape from New York? Where do you think Kojima got the idea for the character of snake?

>>719722496
yes you are if you think A game is gonna change in under a fucking year
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mLd2PSNTmoI

>>719712081
>>719716004
it's funny because metal gear has always been laid out that way, start from the south, go through 3 buildings of varying levels, keep going north

>>719708919
Always a dumb ass meme for pseuds

>>719724016

That's Enies Lobby.

>>719724016
>that bridge in the middle
I've always liked the crackpot theory that Tselinoyarsk is Zanzibar Land

>>719724557
>the crocodile swamp area in mgs3 is that stupid ass swamp section in mg2

>>719708769 (OP)
he didn't said that is an article from shills from that awful inverse website.

it just another twitter screenawful shit

>>719708921
>el steve jobs de los videojuegos.

>>719708769 (OP)
I can't believe Mercenaries on PS2/XBOX aped this game... oh wait.

>>719708769 (OP)
Mgsv shills eternally btfo