Thread 719755898

Well that really fizzled out, huh?

retard

>>719755898 (OP)
The discussions of this campaign demonstrate two things
>They have too much faith in the government or are too innocent.
>They don't care what the campaign is about and just wanted to find an excuse to bully some guy.

ngl anti SKG posters were making a lot of good points at the end. I'm back to undecided.

Zoomers have a real hard time with the concept of waiting longer than 7 seconds to get what they want.

>>719756207
why he looks so dead inside

>>719755898 (OP)
What do you expect? The petition is over. All we can do now is wait. We've probably got a few years before we see anything happen

porniggers just had to create a distraction

All the payment processor shit is retaliation.

>>719755898 (OP)
suspiciously quickly. an actual grassroots movement can't be turned off with the flip of a switch.

>>719756635
Yes it can. The literal expiration date passed. It's over and it's entirely up to government to make a decision now. The movement did exactly what it set out to do.

>>719756635
That's because it's not a movement with honest intentions. Preservation isn't a real thing nor something anyone outside of a niche few people cares about.

>>719756532
distraction for what? they got the signatures and all people can do is wait

>>719756162
posting child porn and gore is making good points? are you afghan?

>>719756838
leftism at its essence is theft, to take and control what others have made

>>719756961
Couldn't be since I'm a leftists and I oppose SKG

>>719757181
stopped clock moment from eu = kkkapitalism = bad

>>719755898 (OP)
>>719756162
>>719756635
>>719756838
>>719756961
>>719757181
You are stupid faggots that are intentionally misunderstanding what's even happening

>>719756838
How much do you get paid?

>>719757814
About $30/hr as a machine operator. You?

>>719755898 (OP)
Continue killing games!

>>719755898 (OP)
they hit maximum turbo overdrive 2 for giga nigga levels of petition signatures
now everyone can chill, except the shit ass devs lol

>>719756107
I'd say both are equally valid.

Piratesoftware sacrificed his credibility and fanbase over nothing then? That's makes it even funnier, he put himself in the spotlight where everyone with an axe to grind had a chance to screw him over. I didn't even know who that petulant faggot was but now i know more about him than i know about my late grandfather.

>>719756441
DEAD MOVEMENT DEAD MOVEMENT DEAD MOVEMENT

>>719756441
the petition will have 0 effect. aside from shitting up the board.

everyone over the age of 18 knew that but you fags still spam this democracyslop on the video game board

>>719758315
not at all, several manyears of tax-paid labor will be spent on carefully evaluating the proposal before a recommendation will be made

this recommendation will then be disregarded entirely regardless of content

>>719755898 (OP)
it's always a tantrum

>>719756107
/thread

>>719755898 (OP)
When an argument boils down to my eceleb vs your eceleb you know you can't defend it on it's own merits.

There is something very insidious about so many American and non-EU ecelebs weighing in on EU policies and giving their weight to it yet never insisting on those policies for their own country.

>>719758315
>>719758495
all of these petitions are mandated to lead to action and one of the stated goals was "well if we fail at least we get to know the law says we're fucked instead of being completely vague about it"

>>719755898 (OP)
The only thing that really matters is that PirateSoftware is destroyed. What a fucking tool.

Stop trying to make things better, it's annoying.

>>719755898 (OP)
No? The official EU petition passed, the EU will now have to actually look at this shit and make a decision.

>>719756961
Nigga I paid for the game

>>719758231
>Piratesoftware
>credibility
not applicable.

>>719756882
allahu akbhar my brother

>>719755898 (OP)
>fizzled out
They already won, why keep pushing when states will do the rest
To a normal non-bootlicker that states are so eager to support your cause would be reason for concern and make you reconsider what you are doing but apparently not to the mold mans retarded cult

the campaign significantly overshot its signature goals and catapulted the issue into normalfag gamer consciousness. the one major shill sent to kill it (Pirate Software) humiliated himself and actually ended up having a net POSITIVE effect on the signature amount. and now we just wait for a governing body that lives to regulate and nettle american companies to enact legislation that will, spoiler alert, regulate and nettle american companies. shills lost!

>>719758654
and you knew what you were paying for, warts and all

>>719755898 (OP)
Called it too

>>719758920
These positions keep going in circles. Do you have an actual argument against it?

>>719758561
>it is mandated to lead to action!
>look inside
>the action: they must tell chatgpt to type a paragraph
>>719758495
i love democracyslop

>>719758920
Didn't have to deal with these warts 20 years ago
Nothing is lost from making them illegal

>>719758920
btfo

>>719758920
Kinda funny how the entire argument in favor of SKG is "I didn't read the fine print"

How could it fizzle out when you're here to remind everyone?

>>719758920
>>719759294
samefag

>>719759389
What fucking retard is this that's bothering to make this argument. Contrarian faggot.

>>719759158
find me one of these EU citizen's initiatives that didn't work
find me a single one

>>719759389
The entire argument is that this practice shouldn't exist at all, putting it in fine print doesn't make it acceptable

>>719759492
I see it all the times in SKG threads

>>719759492
The "anti" arguments are getting less sensible and more emotional as this goes on. You'd think if they had a good point, that it would've gotten across by now.

>>719759505
What ones did work?

>>719759389
Is this argument gonna lead into "it's actually okay for COME HERE TO GET MUGGED street to exist if there's a sign" again?

Thor won

>>719759589
It's fine and acceptable to operate a game as a service actually.

>>719759505
which thread do you think we're in?

>>719759479
50% accuracy

>>719759612
Yes contrarians like attention and constantly make up shit to gain it.

>>719759626
No because theft is illegal.

>>719759389
Nobody does.

>>719759693
Actually, it never should have been fine and acceptable, so we're going to reverse that where we can.

>>719755898 (OP)
>people crying about threads about this
>they get told to wait for the end of july when the sign ins end
>end of july rolls around
>threads stop being made like was said
>now the anti retards are making threads

This minefield maims and kills innocent people. We should remove the mines so no one else is hurt.

>NO, that would just mean people don't have a responsibility to avoid treading on mines
>The sign VERY CLEARLY warns you about the mines, anyone who sets one off is an idiot who deserves it
>You're just a commie who wants the government to fix all problems

>>719759710
That didn't even make sense. Get out of here, you fucking suck at this.

>>719755898 (OP)
Feels kinda pointless to make all that noise to push for official support when people were already archiving games anyway, even if by illegal means, now that we're facing games not even being allowed to be sold because of their content

>>719759693
Welp they're clearly not sold as services, they're still sold like products, hence the legal basis of the campaign

>>719759794
Which is nowhere since services are legal.
>>719759907
The fine print suggests otherwise.

>>719759750
Unless you agree to it. Which is what the sign is for.

>>719759849
>That didn't even make sense.
>try to guess samefagging out of 2 posts
>only stays with 1 out of 2
>"t-that doesn't even make sense"
t.

>>719759907
>Welp they're clearly not sold as services
>game has prompts ToS
>Online features are a service
retard

>>719760007
You understand EULAs aren't magic documents that turn the illegal into legal, right

And also most people don't think that something reprehensible becomes OK just because you write down that you're doing it

>>719760053
You can stop digging now.

>>719759492
See >>719760215 >>719759907

>>719760364
You can stop coping now.

This corpo nigga is really going to argue up and down for hours that making games still function after the company shutters their servers is a bad thing.

>>719760174
'online features' now meaning the game functioning at all
A 'service' that doesn't come with a clear understanding of its extent, in that its a complete mystery when it will end
Fuck that crap, fuck people who defend remote kill switches and preinstalled nooses

>>719760497
>'online features' now meaning the game functioning at all
Always was, retarded consumers never understood or downright refused to face the reality of the use of it. It was always meant to become a main feature and the consumer opened the floodgates gladly.

Services are meant to end.

>>719760795
>Services are meant to end.
Because...

>>719760481
Yes when public access gets shut down pvp dies.

>>719760912
They aren't monetized around first priority.

>>719760795
When they are sold as services, yes.
WoW is under no obligation to any player, further out than the month they charge for. They are upfront about exactly how long you have access to their service with each payment.

The problem arose when greedy fucks got away with selling services as goods.

>>719761056
>The problem arose when greedy fucks got away with selling services as goods.
I say the problem arose when cucks allowed online on consoles in gen 7. As many things that gen was the point of no return in several matters

I can't wait till all the arena, royal, and friend slop games are all dead and gone.
Pissbaby games are going to get fucked in the ass and then maybe we can start getting some real games being made.

>>719760943
Doesn't have to if you let players host their own servers after the service ends.
How come you don't want that, shill? Why is that a problem?

The European game industry revealed itself (again) to just be a front for their respective European governments and all came out against it

>>719761056
And now they'll get away with selling monthly subs. It's amazing how you can't see past your nose.

>>719761191
>when all the games I don't like die, that means the games I do like can thrive!
lol

>>719760795
Fuck are you on about
The norm used to be the game let players run it themselves, Quake is still completely playable with no effort on Id Software's part

We have no reason to be fine with losing that standard

>>719761217
>Doesn't have to if you let players host their own servers after the service ends.
You're relying on the impression of those community memes that are simply not realistic; people will have other things to attend instead of keeping your autistic sandbox with players

The sooner you abandon online in games the better.

>>719761217
Don't need to if you let your players know the game is a service that can end

>>719761262
If they could all do that, they already would be. Monthly subscriptions are the biggest money makers, but only for the few who can break into the very competitive market. This wouldn't make that any easier.

>>719761360
PC was always niche, it was never the norm.

>We have no reason to be fine with losing that standard
You have; it's called modern consumer and you let them run rampant and can't stop them. Adapt or die

>>719761262
The MMO wars made it clear that the vast majority of gamers aren't willing to pay for more than one game's sub at once, that model isn't going to work. Removing the noose is always going to be the cheapest most economically-realistic option for devs if SKG gets laws put down

>>719761440
Thats fine, adapting seems to mean just making the practice illegal

>>719761428
You're making it illegal to sell games with online content as an upfront charge so yes everything will be moving seasons and subs.

>>719761471
Gamers will change their stance when they don't have a choice

>>719761369
I can join a community hosted Wolfenstein: Enemy Territory server right now.
You cannot convince me that can't be possible for a modern game.

>>719761281
No, it just means that there's a CHANCE for games I do like to be made.
Either way the Arena and Royal shit trends are circling down the toilet like they should have done a decade ago. Now it's just friendslop.

>>719761698
Economy is only getting worse and worse, people can't afford to fling cash at multiple game subs. More likely people would just choose to only sub to one game at a time in that hypothetical gaming dystopia

>>719758231
His credibility was already shot due to the whole roach episode and him sperging out on Twitter,this even just turned him into a lolcow that made people want to look further and find out that he is far worse than thought

>>719756107
>They don't care what the campaign is about and just wanted to find an excuse to bully some guy
Based

>>719762050
They won't have a choice anymore

>>719759621
You can read here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Citizens%27_Initiative#First_six_successful_initiatives
The only one that didn't result in some sort of action was the anti-abortion one (they just said each country can determine their own laws). Not all of them resulted in new laws though

What do you expect?
Theres nothing to do but to wait to see if EU says theres enough legitimate votes.

God american capitalist drones are so annoying.

>>719762558
It's just queers on /v/

>>719759693
It is fine and acceptable to enslave game devs actually.

>>719762230
They literally will though, thats the point

>>719762558
The deck is stacked anon. European game studios unlike American ones ARE the government. EA can be influenced by the consumer, Ubisoft can't. Activision flops and fails as they piss off their consumer, CDProjekt gets more funding from the polish government. The game companies in Europe already came out hard against SKG, so it is unfortunately dead.

>>719762865
The point is making every online game a sub or nickle and dimed MTX so nobody will play them and service games die?

>>719762872
>European game studios unlike American ones ARE the government.
You are aboslutely retarded if you think this way.
The same devs you mentioned were largely against 14 day refunds.
However EU still passed it.
Fucking kill yourself if you think game dev companies have any sway.
Fuck even FIFA Ultimate Team is still banned in Belgium due to the anti lootbox law.
You should develop a braincell before you talk next time.

>>719763017
>litterally just one example, then euroseething
And which company owns Fifa franchise? That's right, the American EA. I swear Europeans are in eternal seethe that they got their assholes fucked by the Germans and then begged America for money

>>719763131
The dead fifa franchise?

>>719762941
No I just don't think that will happen
Either way 'we better not fight back against the jewy bullshit or else they might get MORE jewy' isnt a good attitude

>>719755898 (OP)
I told you faggots it would, and look where we are now.

>>719763309
My attitude is fine, thanks.

>>719762801
Just make infrastructure for locally hosted servers.
People did this in their garages in the 90s. Surely a modern dev can manage?

>>719763551
No.
Instead make slave pens for video game devs.

>>719759693
I disagree, and I don't mind going full totalitarian against people who want to fill the market with shit.
Just don't buy unkillable games if you don't want them

>>719762941
>so nobody will play them and service games die?
That'd be nice really.

>>719755898 (OP)
>yuros in a multipolar world
kek

>>719763674
No it wouldn't

>>719756961
>NOOOOOOOOOOOO YOU HAVE TO LET THE HECKIN CORPORINOS INCLUDE UNNECESSARY DRM THAT EXPIRES AND FORCE YOU TO BUY THE NEW GAME/REMASTER THAT CONVENIENTLY REMOVED THE TICKING TIME BOMB
>If you oppose corporations fucking you in the ass without lube you're a godless communist
Fuck you.

>>719763889
Yeah it would.

>>719761262
It's amazing that you were the first person to bring up noses

>>719763961
Not in my opinion

>>719764020
I don't value your opinion.

>>719764114
That's fine. I do.

>>719763309
>else they might get MORE jewy
I don't think it will work out like that. Jewery thrives in grey zones and legal ambiguity. If SKG doesn't win then that means governments will have to say straight-up "you have no rights." It's a lot easier to get people to fight for new rights than it is to fight for the chance to know if they have rights at all.

>>719763910
... makes it about trump for no reason.

>>719762801
Unironically this. I'm done empathizing with the industry that's been digging deeper and deeper into the nickel and dime hole for the last two decades

>>719764223
>for some reason
government bad corporations good is a rightoid position.
>muh free market

>>719764303
>rightoid
Retard

>>719756107
>some guy
Narcissists always deserve it.

>>719764265
Nickle and diming consumers is how they'll get around SKGs demands. If you make it illegal to charge up front for service games they're hit you on the back end.

>>719764356
Says the partisan retarded faggot that allows corporations to do whatever they want with impunity, as long as it's not the evil government doing it.

>>719764397
Not my problem. I shant be paying

>>719764397
They'd be doing it already if it was any more profitable.

>>719764475
Yea, okay. Why don't you go ahead and post another picture of trump from your folder.

>>719755898 (OP)
>What do you expect?
dead politicians of course

>>719764475
Schizoid

>>719764569
Sure. Since you asked.
Hot take: I SHOULD MAINTAIN PERMANENT ACCESS TO THE VIDEO GAMES I BUY

>>719764539
MTX , subs, and season passes are being done already.
>>719764505
I was talking about the game industry and not your emotions.

>>719764397
AAAs are all addicted to those upfront point-of-sale $60 bursts though

They know that normies all buy and play these games as FOTM, and if they had to have them as subs they'd most likely quit in them after a month or two and never pick them up again, so in the lintg run the upfront is more attractive than the sub. So even in that circumstance I think they'd take the noose off rather than charge for it.

>>719764702
They can't charge up front. Service games end, so that would be illegal for them to do.

>Games being live-service/Jewish/woke doesn't affect me because I don't buy them

If you have ever avoided a game BECAUSE of those things, then it HAS affected you, by denying you a game that you would otherwise have liked to play

>>719764767
Yes, thats what I meant by taking off the noose, that they would choose to not make it a LS game at all so they could leave the price tag on

>>719764667
As I said, not my problem. Either things improve or nothing changes for me. Nothing should change for you either, assuming you don't buy things you don't like

>>719765224
Fair enough. It's my problem since I play service games. This is why I don't support SKG.

>>719765285
>I play service games
Then kindly fuck off to /vmg/ or wherever your kind belongs

>>719756107
Did you broke free from the gipsy curse?

>>719765383
Am I a problem for you?

>>719765430
Your mere existence is an affront to me

>>719765479
Probably stay away from threads about service games then

>>719765583
I'd rather make you feel unwelcome. Enjoy paying your subscriptions once SKG passes

>>719755898 (OP)
I understand the sentiment but all the games affected by this are shitty live service games that aren't fun to begin with.
I can't believe this all started with The Crew. One of the most bland and boring racing game to ever exist.

>>719765285
I'm glad one of you finally admits it. I'll remember this post next time someone warns me that devs will turn to subscription models

>>719765670
Thanks!

>>719765782
its not always about the game its about introducing a new form of DRM in having built in killswitches, yeah right now its not really effecting any GOOD games but it could one day, better to stomp it out now than later

>>719755898 (OP)
>Wanting Daddy Goverment to solve things for you.
Cuck behavior.

Every game deserves a chance to be replayed years in the future. Even the shitty ones.

>>719765956
Not my problem.

>>719766093
True. Feel free to leave.

>>719755898 (OP)
Thor won

take the L, maldavius

I got here too late
So many already lost
Maybe I can stop more tragedy

>>719765956
I feel like Concord deserved to live in shame of its own existence, should've been studied in what not to do, besides that atleast one guy must've actually wanted to play it, even If i would mock him I still think he deserves to play it, after all he payed for it

>>719755898 (OP)
>try to get votes
>get the votes
job well done

>>719764397
Go ahead, I want you to do your worst.

>>719759665
Time to eat his entire ass. All those 3 million that signed.

>>719765905
How do you suggest I solve it? Before you state the obvious, ignoring a problem isn't a solution

>>719766393
I'm not a game dev

>>719766543
just don't buy shitty games that suck ass and require an online connection to play

>>719766543
The only problem is that you disagree with a EULA that you didn't read. The solution is putting warnings on the box.

>>719758315
>democracyslop
kys, commie jewish american vatnik NIGGER

>>719759835
kek
you forgot
>people should be expected to just remove the mines themselves!

>>719766570
Do it.

>>719766614
>just vote with your wallet :D
Any other takes laced with extra chromosomes?

What do you want us to do?

For the next 3 months they're making sure each vote is legitimate.

>>719766814
>being a smart consumer is retarded
I disagree.

>SKG is about giving people who bought a game the ability to still play it when the central server goes down. Since it costs a company nothing to give out the source code to a game with will never support again.
>This is somehow a bad thing
I don't get it.

>>719766926
>burgeroid reading comprehension
I'm sorry you were born in a third world country.

SKG posters were making a lot of good points, I am now convinced that 4chan is overrun with corporate bots. There is nothing else that can explain the organized level of retardation about SKG

>>719766963
Don't worry about me. I'm blessed.

>>719767038
why else do you think the ip counter was removed

>>719767038
Still not supporting SKG

Has there ever been a more blatant attempt at consumer greed?

>>719767284
You mean developer greed
If the consumer didn't pay anything, they'd be the greedy ones
but here we have the consumers losing what they paid for

>>719755898 (OP)
Stop Killing Games is literally killing all live service games, just like Team Cherry is killing all indie developers. Both need to be STOPPED NOW

>>719767336
Read the fine print

>>719766614
I literally just told you I want to solve the problem, not ignore it. Why don't you ignore SKG threads if you don't like SKG?

>>719764475
Imagine unironically saying this while parliament is considering bringing drafting back to fight for Ukraine.
Keep chugging eceleb cum, faggot.

>>719767398
the fine print doesn't superceded laws for goods, and majority of video games are sold as goods, not services

>>719755898 (OP)
>nanny government please nanny me
If you don't want to lose access to your games, don't buy games that can have access revoked. You control your money.
Simple as.

>>719756107
I still know nothing about PirateSoftware, I don't care to learn more about him, and I still don't understand why the entire internet decided to dogpile the dude even if he is an asshole

>>719767526
>You control your money.
And we control the corpos too.

>>719767508
>NOOOOOOOOOOOO THE PEOPLE ILL EQUIPPED TO HANDLE LIVE SERVICE WON'T BE ABLE TO MEET THE CONTINGENCIES REQUIRED TO MAKE LIVE SERVICE GAMES
Good. Also bullshit because such a monumental change would require middleware providers to adapt too.

>>719767284
I'm paying money when receiving something. Where does greed come into it?
Just don't sell to me if you don't want my money

>>719755898 (OP)
No different than the net neutrality bullshit these retards fell for.

>>719767508
>3 dorks
I can guarantee there are millions of people who play decades old games and would still play games that were killed by developers
This whole argument that nobody plays old games is fucking retarded to begin with

>>719767596
>Net neutrality is bad
Fuck off chud. They're too busy enshittifying television and streaming services to bother fucking with the internet. Just wait a couple years.

>>719767476
>I was tricked!
You were not. And I doubt you even play service games.

>>719767526
This. How many games would SKG even effect? Most serviceslop games are f2p, where you can't even argue you have ownership of the game. They reallly want to play The Crew that badly?

>>719767536
>I don't understand something I know nothing about and refuse to learn more
Got any more pearls of wisdom?

>>719767508
He's not wrong. SKG is making it illegal for games to be sold as an upfront cost if it has online content that ends.

>>719767723
>SKG is making it illegal for games to be sold
Good.

>>719767723
I don't see the problem

>>719767658
>Any day now Ajit Pai will destroy the internet!!!!
Just admit you were wrong.

>>719767645
Those are mostly single player games though. If there was enough demand for a service to be continued then why would you need the government to force companies to keep the service running?

>>719767751
Not in my opinion.
>>719767769
I do.

>>719767961
>Not in my opinion.
Don't matter :) You will keep those servers up or go to jail.

>>719767869
You do know SKG is only concerned with what happens AFTER a service ends, right? Nobody's getting forced to keep a service running

>>719761369
Nigger I still play fucking ultima online through private servers
I can set up and play 1.0 ffxiv even after square enix decided for everyone that nobody wants to play it and shut it down to push everyone into ARR
Anyone who thinks it's impossible to allow people to host their own servers for a game are actual paid shills indians

>>719768010
>Nigger I still play fucking ultima online
Based.
Better not be a fucking tamer I sweare on me mum

>>719767961
Well nobody's forcing you to subscribe. Read the fine print before you sign up

>>719767989
I'm not a game developer :)
>>719768053
That doesn't make sense.

I'm a coomer but I actually don't coom

>>719756107
>They have too much faith in the government or are too innocent.
I loathe fags like you. "The government sucks, and it won't be exactly, perfectly what you want, so don't even try. Don't participate. Be enlightened like me." Yeah, because that stupid fucking attitude worked so well over the last 20 years. Turns out you can refuse to participate in government, but you can't refuse the consequences of not participating in government when a bunch of Karens, NIMBY boomers and millenials, and useful idiots who think "Real Communism just hasn't been tried! Now let's give those corporations more power!" who did participate fuck everything up.

>>719768010
So the problem was solved without government bureaucracy, what is the issue? If you want private servers protected from IP holders, then you should be fighting for weaker copyright laws, but that's a totally different discussion than the one SKG is having. Corporations lobbying for absurd copyright protections is an actual issue that extends beyond fucking videogames. This is why SKG is seen as a movement composed of children.

>>719768107
What's the problem? Live services going subscription? If that's not it then you tell me exactly what you don't want, and I will very carefully explain to you why it doesn't matter

>>719767779
>I trust ISPs to not throttle the internet I pay for despite Ajit Pai allowing them to do exactly that
You know, sometimes consumer protections are nice to have in place before shit becomes a major problem.
>You can not throttle people's internet as it is a public utility
Lolbertarian and cuckservative fucktards say this is a bad thing and government overreach. Lmao. Get fucked faggot.

>>719766958
Terminal contrarianism mixed with terminal retardation, a daring synthesis of villainy which somehow describes many of /v/'s posters
Anyone with half a brain can see it's good for consumers so naturally it's the target of ire for the wide variety of pond scum and TVs smattering of failed devs that make up this shithole's userbase

>>719768276
No thanks.

>>719768221
Opposing regulatory presence in gaming is participation. It's not the abdication of responsibility you're portraying it as.

>>719768339
Well then I'll just leave it at this. Nobody is forcing you to engage with the negative consequences of SKG. Just vote with your wallet

>>719768428
Will do. Thanks!

>>719767536
Its the drama cycle. People will make tons of money off of using some currently controversial guys name in a video, if you ever clicked on any of those youd know its slop. Streamer culture is genuine poison

>>719768373
It's a bit late for that now. The petition's over. If you didn't like it you shouldn't have signed it

>>719755898 (OP)
regardless of how you feel about this or Pirate or his past or anything related, the bottom line is if you are someone who begs the government for even more regulation, especially on something that's supposed to be a hobby and an escape, you are less than human and you deserve everything bad that happens to you

>>719768762
>just let me steal from you don't call the cops you're not human if you want to regulate my bad behavior
Won't work, kike.

>>719768762
Couldn't agree more, now if only we could remove some of those gosh darned consumer protection laws, that'd be great
After all, the government has no business being involved in this industry

>>719756635
It actually can be if all the stuff, in this case the EU petition, has been done
Waiting is literally the only option left

>>719768975
This but unironically.

>shill cope thread
kek it reached the goal and now you squirm

>>719768275
I will be substituting the word leech for "rights holder", because "rights holder" is misleading marketing terminology to imply that IP is a right. Similarly IP is now Intellectual Monopoly, Copyright is printing license and trademark is lawyer dance
The problem is that Intellectual Monopoly law is massively overblown to a degree that requires dismantling the whole thing on an international scale and starting over from something tiny. Actually making any progress towards fixing IM law would require the bureaucrats and lawyers employed by government to start reducing the massive bureaucratic and legalistic burden of printing licenses, patents and lawyer dances which secure long and gainful employment for countless people in their profession.
In addition most countries likely have politicians with stakes in these leech companies and most people have grown up in an environment where institutions like printing licenses are elevated in marketing and media as being actual rights, rather than a slapdash corruption to suit the needs and appropriate burdens of pre-20th century publishers.
Even something like reducing the rampant 20th century growth of the Mickey Mouse laws is seen as unreasonable and shouted down constantly.

Starting small by guaranteeing the indefinite support of software with no way for a leech to shut it down arbitrarily is one of the few first steps available to the public, especially when the EU has started a trend of slapping minor regulations on games already, but has made no inroads on applying the same to software as a whole.

Reminder that if you want real preservation, that you either support amending or abolishing the Copyright Term Extension Act, so video games can become part of the Public Domain after a certain period of time. As of now the first NES games will be public domain after 2080.

I've seen where "just vote with your wallet" goes and it's not actually good advice
At this point its clear the only thing that impact major AAA devs is things like SKG. Fuck it if I have to side with the gooberment I guess I will

>>719766958
It’s bait, it’s always bait, it’s easy (you)s

>>719768762
If they're going to use the government against me, no reason I shouldn't turn around and do the same

>>719755898 (OP)
The whole bullshit with payment processors and Collective Shart, as well as mandatory ID in Britain - just so 'conveniently' came up at the same time.

>>719768293
This and also actual paid shills
Remember, Ubisoft hires Indians to market for them. They (and other companies) lobbied against this and were spreading misinformation against the guy running SKG
They 100% hired a bunch of Indians to try and undermine the legislation

>>719755898 (OP)
https://citizens-initiative.europa.eu/how-it-works_en
There's a literal 6 month period until signatures are verified, then 3 more months of red tape, then 3 more months until the European Parliament hearing itself, with 3 more months until they decide whether they want to do anything about the petition or not. It's a long process.

>>719762872
>EA can be influenced by the consumer

Indians love SKG because they'll be the first to be hired to maintain all those games that the devs wanted to abandon. Careful what you guys wish for

Games are not physical products you can "own". They are walks in the park, a ball game with your friends, a trip to an amusement park. They are just things for entertainment to pass the time.
You don't gain full ownership of the park or ball game because you spent $20 on a ticket. Funny how that works huh?

What do the demoralization actors hope to accomplish at this point, if it's already complete and it's just up to the old fucks?

>>719771557
Really because the 20+ years old copies of games from my childhood still run and I still own them

>>719771726
UM ACKSHUALLY

>>719769990
You know what, now that you mention it, the "strategems" employed by the blatant shills do look a lot like they come from the third world

This single button causes corporate shills and GAAS stockholm syndrome victims to shit and piss and cum and puke their pants in confusion and terror.

>>719771557
When will this retardation end?
A trip to an amusement park clearly states when your ticket is expiring and you're no longer welcome there
Live service do not

That was one of the points of the SKG where if the EU parliament says "it's not a problem fuck off lmao" BUT would force companies to put a sticker on a box saying "this game will end in 1 year sorry no refunds :^)" it'll still be considered a win because a consumer would clearly know what he's buying

>>719764643
This is actually pirate software trying reverse psychology.

>>719765905
Okay, pirate software.

>>719767658
It's been a decade, retard.

>>719771557
Anti-Consumer Faggot Corporate Shill

>>719774180
Subtract COVID from that and subtract Biden's term. Wholeheartedly anticipate shenanigans in the coming years.
>You can't arbitrarily throttle people's internet
Why the fuck is that a controversial stance you stupid fucking corporate cuckold?

>>719774445
No thanks, retard.

>tell every fag everywhere to drop gaas bullshit for years
>if they support this dumb retarded shit it's the only thing they'll ever release
>plus at one point you won't be able to play because you're tied to an external server
>"nah it's kk the game is fun and I want to play right now your just mad we having fun :)"
>years later
>some ubislop garbage of all things gets taken down
>suddenly it's the most important event in videogames and we have to save it for some reason
>then some gay furry bitch ass nigga shows up and start obnoxiously shitting on the whole thing
>dude is such a fucking tool his faggotry ended up backfiring, garnering support for the platform instead
what a fucking shit show, I hate I paid any attention to it at all

piratesoftware fucking won

>>719755898 (OP)
No, it ended on the date it was scheduled to.

>>719776397
ESL

The polish goverment (country of GoG) fully supports SKG and seriously considers game preservation long-term
Same nation where for a long time if you were buying games they were pirated copies bought at some market stall

>>719776585
>Same nation where for a long time if you were buying games they were pirated copies bought at some market stall
Sounds dangerously based. Ignoring printing press licenses is the key to a successful society, since it prevents the emergence of increasingly centralized publishing entities and promotes public education.

>>719776912
To be fair that changed when we actually started official polish versions of games in legitimate boxes
I have a lot of nostalgia for Polish dubbed versions of old games because they actually had soul and often hired well known actors, the polish version of gothic is a national treasure basically

>>719777090
>I have a lot of nostalgia for Polish dubbed versions of old games because they actually had soul and often hired well known actors, the polish version of gothic is a national treasure basically
It's honestly an interesting phenomenon in Eastern Europe in general. I know people that never got into smelling distance of vidya, but they somehow still know some voicelines from Czech dub of WarCraft 3

>>719756107
true

>>719758315
it's because they're pedophileera trannies

>>719776220
videogames are for gay niggers from outer space

>>719767723
Not true, as long as these online games, have a end of life plan, they can do literally whatever. The whole point of SKG is to put responsibility back to the game developers to ensure that once it's time to pull the plug, the game is still in a good enough playable state. Luckily none of this is retroactively, so developers have all the time to implement it at the start of the development cycle and think about it once they start on their new games. It's faggots like you, who got a reading disability which is either because of any lack of brain mass, very likely because chinese basket weaving board, or are choosing to act like a retard, that there are people honestly believing that it's making online games "illegal".

>>719773834
>Live service do not
yes they do, illiterate retarded nigger

>>719777527
so when exactly will helldivers 2 sunset then?

Explain why game devs shouldn't develop their games like Deep Rock Galactic.
>plays like multiplayer live service
>but you can play solo perfectly fine
>you can play without internet
>only fomo shit are minor seasonal events, content from past seasons is in the game and you can switch to a previous season or play "vanilla"
>saves are on your pc so you can start over from zero if you want to

>>719767038
4chan is overrun by bots, shills, contrarians, trolls and useful idiots

>>719755898 (OP)
>>719756107
Most people who disagree or don't care are developers who don't want to work extra hours.
They don't give a shit about preserving their own games, which is sad to see.

>>719777808
But anon! Think about the multi-billion dollar corporation, how else are they going to forcibly have you purchase the worse sequel and inflate the annual sales numbers? Fucking chud, you want the CEO to miss out on their fifth bonus this year?

>>719759750
Then make selling games without an end of life compatibility illegal? Are you stupid?

>>719755898 (OP)
fuck you I will still killing games with my bare hands

>>719777857
Extra hours? Realistically it'd just be one dude dumping the server files after altering some pointers so that anyone can host them and choose what the master server is on their client

For any EU supporters who believe in regulations and various globalist legislation can you answer these honest truthfully.

Question 1
Have your attempts to regulate the internet made your experience browsing the web better or worse?

Question 2
Have your attempts to keep Google, Microsoft, Steam and Apple in check disrupted them in any way? Or have they just fostered an environment where only big tech companies can survive. (ie, since the regulations have pass through, we've seen the market share of these companies decrease or increase)

>>719779093
Has making asbestos illegal prevented asbestos from being used?

"gamers" will literally boycott this stuff in the name of daddy corpos while buying their third 90$, 120gb, 5060RTX requiring COD game this month because they closed the servers of the first two ones but hey, this one's go no woke so it's actually gaming saved boyos

>>719777857
You do know that like 99.9% of devs wanta their game to be playable forever, right? It's same as writer whose book would be destroyed for the publisher's monetary gain.
Would you want something you created either
>Be available for everyone after the monetary gain is over
>Made to be impossible access because publisher doesn't make more money for it anymore, so nobody would be able to know what you created
The few schizo devs on Twitter etc. isn't majority on game industry devs. Some devs just don't speak out because you know what kind of replacable fodder they are to shareholders. One western dev costs as much as 5 SEA slavelabor codemonkeys. +AI stuff as well which bigger corpos wants to use to replace devs with.

>>719779154
No? Plenty of developing countries still use asbestos.

You can just answer the question honestly into the regulations of tech companies rather than make a false equivalence to the use of chemicals or materials.

>>719755898 (OP)
The gayest thing i have ever seen was gaymers calling corporations corpos like it's cyberpunk what a fucking joke.

>>719756162
kys shill

>>719779425
>False equivalence
The problem is simple and it wasn't an issue 20 years ago
The solutions are already out there, just have one guy dump the damn files after spending a single day making them more versatile, it's the bare minimum that has been a standard before you were even born you larping ancap

>>719779093
>Have your attempts to regulate the internet made your experience browsing the web better or worse?
i experience very little to none of the nightmare of targeted advertising that the mutts keep gargling down because if i don't like people having my data i can just say "no"

>Have your attempts to keep Google, Microsoft, Steam and Apple in check disrupted them in any way? Or have they just fostered an environment where only big tech companies can survive. (ie, since the regulations have pass through, we've seen the market share of these companies decrease or increase)
that's not a question, that's a statement, you're hallucinating a wold that is better on that department in which these regulations don't exist to draw a false, inverted, connection. how is the healthy, definitively non monoplized economic world doing in the land of the free, home of the unregulated doing?

>>719756162
>le 12 angry men

>>719755898 (OP)
I saw the Polish government talk about it last week.

>>719779516
This really was gamergate 2
Everyone involved were sanctimonious douches and it's gonna make everything worse for everyone

>>719779093
Tech companies have way too much power in world. The moment EU started planning the continent spanning ISP, Elon threw a hissyfit and started throwing money to right-wing parties who suddenly wanted StarLink everywhere. Germany and Italy for starters(lol when you think about it) +UK who isn't part of EU, but has sadly became a pseudo vassal state for USA and many of the richest people in Russia.

But yeah,USB-C made Apple angry at least.

>>719756027
fpbp

>>719779093
They're not gonna answer you. Everytime They're confronted with this they try to skirt around it or call you some mixture of Indian or shill because they're teenagers and adults with nothing live for trying to find meaning in a video game movement their favorite eceleb said was good be it null or pewdiepie.

>>719779557
You still ignored the question so I accept your concession.

>>719779581
Large companies do not like regulations anymore than small companies because it kills their profit but large companies can tank regulations better than small one who lives on an edge. More regulations has always led to more monopolies.

And there's no way you can honestly say browsing has gotten better. Every website you visit now has a million sign in and accepting requests. Rather than give users their own autonomy to regulate their privacy (which they have none if they browse the current version of the net).

>home of the unregulated doing
Blatantly false, you are talking about a government that regulates the import of unpasteurized cheese and a tax code that even experts don't understand, that is spends a shit ton on government regulatory agencies.

Stuff like this is what SKG as a movement is asking for, if you have a problem with this you're a corporate bootlicking shill or a retarded contrarian
https://store.steampowered.com/app/2915930/Knockout_City__Private_Server_Edition/
https://store.steampowered.com/app/2183650/MEGA_MAN_X_DiVE_Offline/

>>719778732
gooood morniiiing saaaaaaaaaaaar

>>719779682
>>719779780
>no you don't get it this simple problem solved decades ago needs complex solutions
you people only play gaaslop and it shows
how much of a zoomer do you have to be to not even have played minecraft or any other game where server hosting is either integrated or already provided?

>>719779780
>Large companies do not like regulations anymore than small companies because it kills their profit but large companies can tank regulations better than small one who lives on an edge. More regulations has always led to more monopolies.
there is no extent of the legislation proposed by SKG that would cause any company to fall over the edge
Every website you visit now has a million sign in and accepting requests. Rather than give users their own autonomy to regulate their privacy
that is the way you regualte your own privacy, by saying no, are you retarded?
>"unregulated", even as a hyperbole, is when they let you bring in hyperdeath dairy mold without asking you what it is
oh yeah you ARE retarded sorry

>>719779993
>Every website you visit now has a million sign in and accepting requests. Rather than give users their own autonomy to regulate their privacy
that is the way you regualte your own privacy, by saying no, are you retarded?
There are cookie managers, there are vpns, there are alternative browsers. I can control my autonomy when I browse the net without it changing my browsing experience, however thanks to a globalist EU law, I now have to browse assuming I need a nanny to protect me.

>"unregulated", even as a hyperbole, is when they let you bring in hyperdeath dairy mold without asking you what it is
You are talking about the US as though it is not fully regulated though and as though monopolies 'spring up without excessive regulations, America is a place that won't let you import kinder eggs.

>>719756107
Work on your game, Thor.

>>719779682
Maybe look under his post before you make this kind of reply. Are you the gookspammer?

>>719780252
>There are cookie managers, there are vpns, there are alternative browsers
oh so instead of refusing the requests you pay more money for a 3rd party to have your data instead, yes maybe you DO require a nanny
>spring up without excessive regulations
you're the one calling them excessive, because you didn't read SKG and instead hallucinated what it was about

>>719756107
>>They have too much faith in the government or are too innocent
Ross already addressed this. Appealing to the government is the final canary down the coal mine. If it fails or is usurped, we have definitive proof that no checks or balances will ever be enacted to benefit the consumer and that any advocacy for the consumer within the industry is a lost cause.
People have tried voting with their wallet, only for the industry to use paypigs to bypass everyone’s vote.
People tried petitions and loudly bitching about problems, only to be ignored.
People even tried seeing if the industry would self correct once it became clear that the current model was imploding, only for companies to self destruct chasing the golden ticket of being the next fortnite, minecraft etc
The government is the last resort to see if anything even can be done to forcibly ‘tard wrangle the industry. If it can’t, then people can reasonably throw up their hands and assume that it will never get any better, rather than being disappointed again and again.

>>719780479
It's telling you act as though making a conscious decision to give a third party your information ON THE INTERNET and exercising that decision TO protect your privacy on your own behalf is a bad thing. It's also telling you assume that paying for something on the internet is foolish compared to receiving it for free. You already assume a person can not make their own decisions on what VPN to buy, what browser to use, what software/addons to use to monitor their own access to the internet.

No wonder you support a nannystate government.

It's funny how corpo shills will bitch and moan that it can't be done when we had plenty of examples that it can be done.

>>719780954
>you act as though making a conscious decision to give a third party your information ON THE INTERNET and exercising that decision TO protect your privacy on your own behalf is a bad thing
it's retarded to pay for it when you can do it for free because pressing one additional button is too hard for you. stop hallucinating strawmans retard

wow servers were hosted on servers that are weaker than the average prebuilt now and if the game is sunsetted those stronger self hosted servers would serve less players
the game's back end hasn't gotten more demanding, it's all the same basic few numbers that get sent and received with at most a hundred kilobytes sent per second
not to mention that people have hosted private wow servers before, remember nostalrius?
this is as complex as it gets and it's still fucking trivial and long solved

>>719781059
>it's retarded to pay for a VPN
Tell that to Brits and yourself soon when EU helps make the internet easier for you. You clearly don't deserve your own decisions on how to browse it.

it passed, now it's up to the commission setting commission to assign la responsibilite or however the turks twinks are fucked

>>719767536
when the person you dislike has now a legitimate reason to dislike him and you take advantage of it. pirate guy had it coming, skg simply what opened the lid

>>719757776
So long as people are against SKG I don't really give a fuck what I do or what I 'misunderstand', tge goal is the same as ever

>>719755898 (OP)
pirate's career got tanked and the campaign got an obscene amount of signatures
sorry but you lost

>>719781875
>tge goal is the same as ever
Making your own life more miserable?

>>719777817
If I were running bots and shills the idea of baiting for attention is exactly what I'd want to foster to obfusticate my shills forcing discussion. Remember the shills get paid by the social media mention, not by positive buzz.
4chan is suing the UK govt for instance, with a fu legal team. The pretence it was a one-man operation underfunded and badly run by mistake is broken every time there is a new shill campaign. Shill means paid marketer, don't let them try and turn it into vague positivity.

>>719779516
Keep posting. See how the other reply tried to minimize and shame.

SKG would have never got enough signatures if it wasn't for Piratesoftware

>>719755898 (OP)
swept under the rug the moment it was over
not like it was anything but an excuse to dunk on some literally who on twitch long after the actual petition had died anyway

>>719779093
>Have your attempts to regulate the internet made your experience browsing the web better or worse?
Eh not different, most of my problems with the internet experience are schizos really
>Have your attempts to keep Google, Microsoft, Steam and Apple in check disrupted them in any way?
Dunno, WERE there real attempts? Those tech giants do have too much power which should be culled, and I would like to hear how you think it is to be done without government regulations getting involved

>>719783238
the petition was successful retard, all we can do now is wait and see what happens when it gets discussed.

>>719766640
Which would require legislation (and is, in fact, one of the solutions that would satisfy the requirement that have be discussed by the initiative), so thank you for agreeing wtih SKG.

>>719756107
I have more faith in the government doing something beneficial for me, than I have for the industry to suddenly stop its anti-consumer practices by its own accord

>>719767779
They already destroy the internet, you're just too young to remember what it was like before the end times.

>>719781320
imagine trying to put SKG and that id upload retardation in the same plane of existence
>i swear bro if you stop gaming corpos from ripping you off that's like victimizing the samw way they vicitmize you by asking for your id on the internet, please bro we're all victims here, pleasepleaseplease

>>719756107
It demonstrated to me that /v/tards are the typical zoomer who like to FEEL like they are doing something important while actually doing absolutely nothing

>>719758315
The petition has already met its goal. They're wasting money by having you post here

>>719756107
It mostly demonstrated that the majority of gamers are fucking retarded in general yes. Then they wonder why they're never taken seriously.

>>719761440
>Adapt or die
Which is exactly why the petition went through

>>719755898 (OP)
the constant validation generation was such a mistake...

>>719767536
It happens with Internet culture a lot. It's all about timing, this guy criticised the movement when people were frothing over it like they were participating in the fucking French Revolution. Therefore he became the hate figure. Same thing that happened with JK Rowling honestly.

>>719755898 (OP)
At least we made fun of Pirate Software right guys????

>>719759389
>I didn't read the fine print
You mean the print they arbitrarily change from time to time?

>>719759665
>>719766424

>>719759693
I agree. If people wanna play free games and spend a shit load on cosmetics then why should I care?

>>719755898 (OP)
We got global internet censorship instead... what else do you want??

>>719756265
>why he looks
Stop literally translating from your language into English, you fucking moron.

>>719766614
just don't buy houses filled with asbestos

>>719768221
>"I can make a difference!"
>nothing ever happens
You're a meat cog in a machine that doesn't need you

>>719784757
i'm starting a petition to make us more than a meat cog. it's already met the minimum so we won't be meat cogs for long

>>719785359
>We are moving to a system of meat cycloidal drives to reduce consumer backlash

>>719784757
>nothing ever happens so might as well just be a machine on antidepressants that never even tries

>>719759693
shalom

>>719755898 (OP)
>years of campaigning
>we won

nigga we are tired and deserve a well earned rest. Even Ross, the mold gold, needs a break from it, him most of all. Just stop killing games and give me game dungeon episodes full of delicious autism.

Now we we wait for the deliberation, there is nothing to do meanwhile.

also:

[x] Hates jannies
[x] Hates casuals

yeah that is literally me

The only people who are against this are corporate shillbots, there I said it, there's not a single reasonable human being who thinks being able to play a game when servers are offline is a bad thing (and if you think it's anything else you're retarded)

>>719756107
>They have too much faith in the government

So yeah, us tax payers demanding the governent do what we want is "too much faith".

Meanwhile being cucks like yourself just letting the government do what it damn pleases on YOUR TAX MONEY, is ok according to you.

Stop being a faggot and take the reins of the government into your hand, you pay for it, you are the boss of all the politicians. Ross is literally taking the government into his own hands and telling them what we want done with our tax money.

>>719755898 (OP)
Bigger problem emerged.

>>719759693
It's fine to lynch corpos actually

>>719759835
You have to be very naive to support this
The movement to remove mines is a Trojan horse to get the GOVERNMENT INVOLVED in minefields

>>719756162
You must be very busy in the office between posting this shit and being the biggest faggot on the base, where do you find the time between sucking all that dick?

total ancap death
total lolbert death

>>719756107
>Someone wants to do something about corporations fucking you in the ass
>Uuuhhh, it's a bad thing if you try to do something about it, mmkay?