Thread 719757652

So... this is what FFXIV is all about, ne?

nice bulge.

>>719757652 (OP)
>So... this is what FFXIV is all about, ne?
No, the real content is savage raids and ultimates. And also ERPing with Big Black male Roegadyns in Uldah.

>>719757652 (OP)
>>719757729
>nice bulge.
COMING IN HOT

>>719757652 (OP)
If you're a hrothgar, yes.
They're playing a different game from the rest of us.

>>719757996
Did they make you fight Ultima & Omega on those ships?

>>719758027
Yeah

Horthgars never should have existed

>>719758120
What makes you say that?

>>719758221
At least these horrible freaks always warn everyone that they're troons so you can block, blacklist and avoid them.

>>719758221
Ummm.. brown teeth..

>>719758401
They all have brown teeth, it's disgusting.

this man in Thavnair, wearing clearly Thavnairian garb, says "BY THE TWELVE!" in a Thavnair side quest as if he's an Eorzean. what the ham? why do we allow Kate and her band of loonies fail at basic editing like this?

>>719760121
Radz-at-Han has had cultural exchange with Eorzea for over a thousand years. He could be some third generation heretic immigrant from Ala Mhigo or something.

The XIV community is BUMPING

>>719760121
fire kate and fire hiroi.

>>719762167
HOLY SHIT
BASED BASED BASED BASED BASED

>>719758221
>trannies LARP as what they perceive females to be like
>immediately become the most obnoxious and loud faggot on the planet and dress like their grandmas
Incredible how that happenes every single time

>>719760121
Now do Stormblood and Koji's obsession with every Jap char saying "by the kami" when there's no reference at all in Japanese to "kami".

>>719762539
fuck off kate simp. youre going to get fired too.

>>719762539
>Now do something that was also bad but 10x less bad

>>719762539
Post examples.

>>719762539
>when there's no reference at all in Japanese to "kami".
>ワシらは、この世の森羅万象を織り成す、 八百万の神を祀っておりますのじゃぁ~。
>We worship the 8 million gods.

>>719762525
Literally walking caricatures. Why do they want to be women so bad if they absolutely despise them

>finished Phaenna relic doesn't even have cool crystal glass shit on it
Why do we pay these retards?

>>719764363
there are 2 more CE areas, they're not going to put effort into the intermediary steps

>>719762906
I'm saying the constant dialogs literally saying "by the kami". They don't do that expression when surprised about something in Japanese.

>>719764363
7.4 relic will be a different model, then 7.5 one will have a glow to that. Trust the plan.

>>719764964
Wait we have two left? Thought we had just one, neat

why does this happen exactly. i only blacklist the worst of the worst players

>>719765564
Did you DC in CC and went back?
For some reason it put everyone on your team in unknow

>>719765829
naw, it was an alliance roulette

>>719757652 (OP)
yes

>>719757652 (OP)
degenerates like you belong on a cross.

shan't be using a modbeast rage thread

>>719766203
And yet you just did. And you will continue to.

I got banned for 20 days for saying that tranny wuk VA is a man. My account is being reviewed for termination

>>719766339
The guy who just said he isn't gonna use this thread is about to reply to you saying that you're lying but also that you deserved it.

>>719766382
Huh???

>>719766459
The guy who just said he isn't gonna use this thread is about to reply to you saying that you're lying but also that you deserved it.

>>719760121
They stopped giving a damn about giving other places faith awhile ago. East just has vague 'kami' and Thavnair has the vaguest of shit about the three sisters. To be fair though this is why paganism is a bitch to work with in fiction writing, you get this romance of the three kingdoms tier convoluted mess of multiple deities.

Yet they were once upon a time willing to have some blessed autist Probably Ishikawa give us 42 Xaela tribes to which maybe 4-5 were relevant in the MSQ (Oronir, Dotharl, Mol, Silent-niggas). Yet they still did so because they loved this world. Sure as shit don't show that now.

>>719766248
The over-polishing always makes them look like the zestiest fucking sissies to me, straight up lil nas X tier buck-broken.

>>719766339
Next time just say that the character wuk sounds like a man, remember how square enix said they'd go after people that "harass" their employees so you cant single out the actual va

>>719766459
OP has the superpower to transform into a broken buck when somebody says his thread is bad.

>>719766670
There you are. What happened? >>719766203

>>719766698
Only one person could ever think my thread is bad...

>>719766821
Yep.

i'll use this thread. what you are doing in final fantasy 14 right now? is the new relic step a sufficient grind for you?

>>719766821
Mhm, you the totally random anon are very concerned about that other totally random anon being called out.

I NEED TO HAVE A XIV THREAD UP AT ALL TIMES


I NEED TO HAVE A XIV THREAD UP AT ALL TIMES


I NEED TO HAVE A XIV THREAD UP AT ALL TIMES

>>719766851
The first step of the relic was nice but could have been a longer grind. Second part is just more roulettes so meh. I'm doing my FSH relic.

>>719766940
This but Hellgate London.

>>719766851
you should sloppa some big roegadyn cock like you do in game cocoli coli

>>719766851
unfortunately OP blew his load on the mandatory BBC posts already so you've won the Uno hand here

>>719766940
We didn't haven one all day.
>>719767005
Remember how you weren't gonna use this thread and I said you were going to anyway and you proved me right?

>>719767042
i'm cocoli thoughever

>>719766942
i wish i could do that. i lose interest after completing the A ranks one time

>>719762613
The dangerhair is your karma for praising this fanfic rewrite of a localization when it was just a redditor smearing his shit all over the script.

>>719767005
you're a real big fan of this poster aren't you
or you're replying to yourself again

>>719767254
>buzzword karma buzzword reddit feces
yawn

>>719767261
you're typing in faux apathetic lowercase, you are the lala

>ne?
The fuck does this gay shit nean

>>719767254
In English and other European languages we commonly call out to God as an expression of surprise. Thus, characters do this in the English script.

>>719767326
You're on an anime website, you shouldn't need it explained.

>>719767326
Who knyows?

>subbed for moonfaire but just don't have the energy to catch up on on what i missed since 7.0
>realize all my jobs but the Viper I played the launch MSQ as are level 90
>gotta scraggle gil as an irresponsible spender and slow earner if i want to get any decent gear for lv100 since i don't play savages or other stuff
oh god

>>719767386
Well it does have a lot of porn and a literal tranny board so touche I guess it is an anime site

>>719767326
Either the Japanese word or Nigbonics for “any”.

>>719767440
bucked and whipped

I wish I could kill modders not in minecraft.

The Red Alerts in CE need a better theme.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Zs6UHlq2-A

>>719762539
>>719767254
lol I remember you sperg about this constantly and originally your spergouts were because you thought "the kami" meant THE kami like it was a proper noun for a single god, you don't even speak English.

>>719766339
Unironically deserved, tos says no t-word phobia get bent nazi peckerwood

Was the game even ever good? I can't remember at this point. Everything all just blurs together. I need to sit down and think.

Fire Kate.

>>719767563
kaleidoscope is surprisingly catchy

>>719767669
>Unironically
There it is, the normie NPC twittertard dead ringer. Kill yourself asap.

>>719767865
No the game was never good and everything about it was shit and that's why Dawntrail is good and you need to stop complaining.

>>719767865
Here’s a fun theme song for your contemplation of where the last 12 years of your life went!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WMP4HH7mct0

>>719768137
>do new relic quest
>first cutscene has one of the new 7.3 songs as the "let's talk about what we're gonna do" filler BGM
>think they finally learned, holy shit, no more Machinations in the future
>next cutscene is Machinations

Did some of you retards actually do this relic grind?

>>719767440
After I started maining red mage and died one too many times backflipping I went back and counted how many raid arenas after shadowbringers you could actually backflip in safely. It was not a lot.

>>719768389
It's barely a grind.

red alert. get to phaenna

>>719767002
>you should sloppa some big roegadyn cock like you do in game cocoli coli
I already did that though, and I'll do it even more tomorrow

Anyway, off to Phaenna. (Really wish my PC wasn't so weak so I could play other games besides FFXIV, but eh)

>>719768469
The entire thing, as in collect RNG rocks that are hopefully right color

>>719767906
It is, and it reminds me a lot of PSO2 music. I just wish the Red Alert track wasn't that boring piano rendition.

>>719768513
>hopefully
You control what color rock drops by focusing specific areas.

>>719768137
My favorite cutscene meme music is the "anxious" one that's just two piano chords forever

>>719768554
So that's a yes

>>719758221
>Remember when they added customizable cards
>That one image of this guy's team of implied sex that got cut off and one guy trying to make a cool pose
That poor bastard

>>719768389
haven't even completed the first step because I refuse to engage with shit rng mechanics like that, Eureka was a grind but at least it was deterministic, I knew exactly how long it would take to finish my objective, with the pure rng of Occult Excrement I can get two items back to back and then go dry for 300+ fates, no thanks

>>719768601
Well yeah, it wasn't hard and it was barely a grind.

>>719768610
I got them while completing the Shared Fates in each Dawntrail area, so it almost felt like a deterministic goal

>>719768497
do it some more then

>complaining about a 20% drop rate
you faggots wouldn't survive a real mmo

>>719768910
The genre died for a reason. Nobody thinks that shit is fun.

>>719768223
as a certified pvpfag who's only ever been actively subbed outside of msq patches to pvp, who always considered machinations to be the defacto pvp theme, and who always liked the song due to that association
dt made me hate it, and I /bgm 0 on instinct whenever I port to wolves den now
this expac sucks so much ass

>>719768938
>oh you don't want Rydia to die every time Zeromus casts Big Bang? find a shiny pokemon and then get a shiny pokemon drop from it
Get filtered BITCH

>>719768389
>>719768513
What grind? If you actually play the game the "grind" is just doing stuff you were going to do anyways.

>>719767906
It's ideal grinding music. That makes me think it's the absolutely dreary music / the lack of it what makes me absolutely despise WoW after I play it for too long, while I feel pretty positively about FFXIV even when I'm tired of it

>>719767906
I love Kaleidoscope but I can't stand the blaring Disney World music whenever I start a mission so I had to mute it all.

>>719769259
>80 fps

>>719769328
Grinds are good

>>719769382
Deterministic grinds with multiple ways to do them are good

>First Step
>Gil
>Bicolors
>Crafting
good
>Second step
>Retarded roulette grinding
bad
simple as

>>719769431
yes. how dare they make me play the game

>>719769476
yeah bro I love getting arr trials and dungeons
really playing the game with those hot level 50 kits

>>719769476
>welfare relic for doing roulettes you do anyway
>playing the game

Somehow this turned into a real thread despite the modbeast OP. Very nice.

>>719769259
>80 frames with not a single person there

>>719769538
>>719769551
>i wish i was incentivized to play the game
>no not like that

>>719769476
>roulettes
>playing the game
The absolute state

>>719769560
Yeah turns out you should learn to have some fun and goof around.

>>719769618
There's already incentives to do roulettes, they're called tomestones. You do your roulettes anyway because of those. The relic is not causing you to play the game any more than you already were. It's a welfare relic.

>>719769618
Yes, quite literally not like that. There is a reason those roulettes are dead, because nobody likes doing them.

>>719769424
no that's not good. relics should be gotten from specific content made for the relic. doing roulettes or old already used content is not memorable and should never be reused for a new relic weapon.
besides that, the unique relic content should get harder and harder as you progress your relic. not every player should get the highest level relic. there needs to be peaks to climb to in mmos or it just turns into boring tedium.

>>719769683
>5 currencies for doing roulette
:\
>6 currencies for doing roulette
:O

>>719769683
Nearly every relic except Eureka's is a welfare relic by this logic

Nevermind the fact that relics are inherently long-term welfare weapons, then glamour items in future expansions

>>719769767
>Nearly every relic except Eureka's is a welfare relic
Fact

>BLM level 100 spell is a finisher
Couldn't they have done like Mega Scathe or something instead

>>719769767
>Nearly every relic except Eureka's is a welfare relic by this logic
ARR relics couldn't be done efficiently with roulettes, you had to target specific duties.
Same with HW relics, and the tomestone grind stage could be done a dozen other ways. Most just decided to spam ARF (also not roulettes, targeted grinding).
ShB relics were progressed in Bozja and, again, even if you did the outside Bozja options you did not get progress from roulettes but by targeting specific content.
>Nevermind the fact that relics are inherently long-term welfare weapons
It's not welfare when you have to get off your ass and play the game to earn it.

so where does the combat system even go from here, the jobs, the leveling, etc.
if level 100 is our true cap, do we do some skill tree ascension shit now? do we tune up pre-existing parts of the hotbar to new tiers and paths? do they keep bloating our shit?
people say they should do an expansion of just retuning the systems and jobs altogether, no new jobs, but that shit doesn't sell on a box point, so at least one new job is inevitable, despite really not having any mechanical reason to continue adding more jobs.
and now everything is super mobile and even the black mages are losing their turret status to be able to handle raids, so at that point where do you tread the line towards being an action MMO

>>719769560
Great hill to die on

>>719769886
they either let you start tweaking abilities to do different things or you just don't get anything

which is fine since most classes haven't meaningfully changed since shadowbringers

>>719769886
we can only speculate what SE will do. but if they know what is good for the game they will re-raise the skill ceiling of jobs so that good players get to do better dps again (they have been actively lowering the skill ceiling since Shadowbringers, Stormblood was peak job design)

>>719769886
I'm guessing they're doing some kind of broader system since Yoshida's playing trickster in interviews about what he has planned for them and he was digging his heels in about not nerfing Pictomancer this expansion. Pictomancer and Viper also both show some amenability to the idea of stances returning, twinblade attacks are a stance system under the hood and RGB/CMY are essentially a stance.
>even the black mages are losing their turret status to be able to handle raids
They're still pretty turret-y even if I get what you're driving at.

>>719769886
Set 100 as the permanent level cap. Use that opportunity to redistribute skills through the leveling process so it doesn't feel awful to play anything lower than level 80.
Create some kind of alternate advancement past 100 whether it be skill trees, or you just choose what order you unlock skills in, or merit points, or subjobs, I don't know, anything as long as it's not leveling up to 110.
Tell parsetrannies to kill themselves and make the jobs FUN.

Ok, so next major story patch one of the Scions will die for real as a big plot point, and against all odds it is Y'shtola. Who is the most likely candidate and why?

>>719769886
They split the vocations into two which splits the new traits into two. And we only get traits.
Paladin turns into battle priest or Captain America. One does big spells and better group mitigation, the other better personal mitigation and mega shield lobs.
BLM turns into speedmage with 1.3s cast times or megaturret 3000.

>>719770176
G'raha because they can't afford his English VA anymore.

>>719770141
Yoshida is much too conservative of a producer to even consider leaving leveling out of the next expansion

>>719770141
something nobody seems to talk about is that potential leveling reworks will also require that skills not be granted by job quests which will remove some of the point of them but also be better for jobs' health in the long term

>>719770176
none of the scions will die. the term you're looking for is getting put on a bus like lyse

in order of most likely to disappear from the story to least:

g'raha
urianger
thancred
estinien
krile
yshtola
alphinaud
alisaie

>>719770141
>Tell parsetrannies to kill themselves and make the jobs FUN.
not sure what you mean by this, the "parsetrannies" want what you want. jobs are way too easy to play and parsing is just spamming the same fight 200 times until you get the perfect crit RNG.
make jobs great again by making it possible to fuck up. the possibility of failure is what makes games fun. it creates tension and excitement in the gameplay.
the wheat must be separated from the chaff. unskilled players should not be able to beat raid dps checks until months after the fight is out (weekly gear will make up for their lack of dps). fights should be tuned so only the best of the best players can clear week 1, and playing optimally should be 100x more difficult than it is currently.

>>719770290
I think job quests just getting you the optional gear sets sounds entirely fine

>>719770338
>not sure what you mean by this, the "parsetrannies" want what you want.
No they don't, because they've cried until every bit of soul was ripped out of every single job for the sake of """""balance""""". Where's my Royal Road AST, faggot? Killed by you and your tranny freak brethren. Jobs being fun means jobs being unique, and that means you all have to hang.

>>719770195
They've been saying for years that's the one thing they'll never do again after ACN > SMN/SCH, because their internal systems can't deal with it reliably.

Its not even that its too hard. The actual mechanics are not hard at all.

Its that its disgustingly punishing by kicking you out on a single wipe while also having like 10 mechanics per boss that instantly wipe you on someone's personal mistake, takes a minimum of 24 people and requires farming back things to do it again.

As a savage raider I just dont want to deal with 23+ people and a forced time out the moment anyone makes a single misstep. Having to wait to retry what is just a mediocre yet overly punishing instance is not my idea of having fun in this game. Specially not when Floptom Jobs are boring as shit and made exclusively around FT.

Meanwhile, Bozja raids? You can do then with 4-6 people. You have way more agency and lost actions exist for fun and experimentation. Bozja stayed alive naturally for longer for a reason.

>>719770380
not like some of those job quests were very competent tutorials anyway. some tried to teach you step by step and force short instanced trials to learn what you just got, and then you got shit like ninja which finally unlocks the full kit at the tail end and goes "uuuhh fuck it we're in a rush, just figure it out as you go lol". never mind that for all the extra effort they've put into making more role tutorial stuff for people to go through in learning how the game works (which is still too easy to waltz right past and ignore), there's not a goddamn thing for learning the jobs up front and how their rotations work without looking online and practicing the old fashioned way.

>>719770402
no one complains about "balance" except casuals who are terrified of the idea of "their job" getting excluded from party finder because it's too weak to clear the tier week 1 (this has never been the case in FFXIV but it should be, not every job has to be meta, hardcore players are happy to switch jobs)

>>719770141
>Create some kind of alternate advancement past 100 whether it be skill trees, or you just choose what order you unlock skills in, or merit points, or subjobs
If only. This would be ideal and actually fun for any sort of player identity. But they refuse to dip their toes into making FFXIV an actual RPG because of parse faggots as you said. It would also solve the Thief to Ninja or Archer to Bard problem where people liked the original theme of the job but hated the theme it eventually becomes

>>719770512
Kill yourself, you lying freak. I've sat here for the past 13 years and watched you do it. I can go into the Balance right now and see you stupid faggots crying about how TBN needs to remove its fail state because it's not fair that you can lose damage if you don't use it right. And next expansion you'll be blaming casual shitters for the change you demanded, like you always do. Casuals don't even know what the fuck a Royal Road is.

>>719769259
As you can see from my screenshot here, I can turn the settings up high, but I need to reduce the number of other players on screen massively. And god help me if I try to play any other graphically intensive game. Fortunately I can keep at least enough other players on screen for some good old Big Black Roegadyn ERP.

>>719770713
Looking for the funny in this post and I ain't finding it

>>719770586
>the Balance
those freaks do not represent my opinions on the game. perhaps i was mistaken by saying parsers want jobs to be fun. what i meant was that i want parsing to be fun and actually mean something.
i want there to be ways to fuck up if you don't do something right. i want the fuck ups to be catastrophic. if you fuck up your rotation you should not be able to meet the dps check (with week 1-2 gear) and fucking up your rotation should be easy to do if you aren't paying attention (make jobs harder that's all kthx)

>>719770770
he's not using a thread he said he wasn't going to use to tell a joke no one thinks is funny

>>719770338
you're never getting what you want then
in a recent (literally a week ago) vgc interview yoshi stated that their top priority with job and content balance is ensure the gameplay experience is as smooth as possible for new players
he then went on to say that job design as of shb is a result of player feedback asking for a more "averaged-out experience for playing each job," so that they play as similarly as possible for accessibility's sake
He then goes on to state, verbatim:
>When it comes to the next expansion, if we took on the player feedback that they want the jobs to be more complicated, and if we made those adjustments, then eventually we would get the same kind of feedback that we wouldn’t be able to satisfy all of the players
what we have now is what we're getting in 8.x
by yoshi's words it might even get worse

>>719770824
you're getting MOBA gameplay and you're going to like it

pvp is already only a couple steps away from it

>>719770795
>those freaks do not represent my opinions on the game
Those are the parsetrannies in question.
>dude SMN and RDM should lose their unique abilities because MUH DAMAGE
I can't describe how much I hate this fucking discord and all the damage they have done to the game.
>i want parsing to be fun and actually mean something.
>i want there to be ways to fuck up if you don't do something right.
Me too, but that means jobs being unique and that's something we can't have because of these motherfuckers.

>>719770427
>You can do then with 4-6 people.
Meanwhile in reality you're not clearing because the 4 other people didn't use any lost actions

>>719770338
I think that's going way too far for no good reason.
I'd be happy if doing a difficult optional rotation were a 5-10% damage increase. That would still mean the existence of a challenging rotation.
Raising the skill floor of doing decent DPS too much would make clearing fights in PF almost impossible. Maybe you don't care about that, but I hugely prefer the current PF experience to what it was in Heavensward

>>719770883
but that's not what he's saying in that screenshot?
smn/rdm doing less damage because of the rez is the developer's justification, if they do remove it in 8.0 then it would make sense that they would raise the damage

>>719771059
Yes he is, he's saying that it's fine they lose their unique abilities because then he can see his ACT number is equal to PCT.

>>719770860
if ff14 pvp was like a moba then i'd be able to easily click on on an enemy to target them.

>>719770824
the solution is skill trees with branching paths, make one easy to play (on par with current job complexity) and make another higher difficulty. different jobs could have different aspects of difficulty (such as high APM, buff/debuff managements, on the fly decision making, etc), but every job can have an easy/hard mode specialization with the hard mode allowing for greater dps output IF you play it well

>>719771120
so are you saying tab target mmos are easier than mobas?

because they are yes. number of buttons =\= complexity

I think this is a big part of it

A full set of elemental gear made you do like 100% damage and take half as much damage allowing you to go wonky things like tank in 5/2

+2 gear is 4.5% extra damage on top of +1. The only class that seems to care is SCH who’s spreadlo’s get even more bonkers from the extra mind stat

>>719771140
>make one spec good and one spec bad
thanks, gurgthock, i'll file that under "R-words" for "Really Good Ideas"

>>719771108
in what part of that sentence does the word "fine" show up

>>719771190
it is a good idea, because casuals will get to enjoy the game and do all the content (except the most high end content when it first releases, content that they supposedly don't touch anyway) with their easy rotations, and hardcore players will get to enjoy the game and do their hardcore content with satisfying job gameplay

BA has a clear rate of like 10% across the global playerbase.

Bozja raids have between 5 to 7 times that clear rate with around half the time since their release than BA.

So yeah, while not ''no one'', certainly not a relevant amount of people enough to make OC, which its zone and power system exists exclusively to farm for FT, functional and alive outside of relic steps. Once people get one relic, OC will die.

Meanwhile, Bozja stayed high on activity until earlier this year. Did 2 weeks of Bozja with new and returning people, naturally and without the help of discord servers.

>>719771140
I can see PF filled with "hard mode job or kick" parties, no matter how badly people played in them. Avoiding situations like that is close to first priority for the devs. I don't mean it should be that way, but it is

>>719771190
He didn't say one good and one bad, he said one hard and one easy. Someone who's shit at button mashing could contribute more to a group on, say, a buff-heavy BRD spec than they would be able to on the current john fucking madden spec.

>>719771298
>"uhhhhhhhhhh he didn't say GOOD and BAD"
>one does more damage than the other

>>719771264
nta but it really isn't because you're simply blanket sweeping the idea across easy/hard without thinking of the rippling effects and connotations that it would bring with it.
is every raid balanced around the hard path jobs because easy doesn't get the job done? oops, now anyone that plays easy, or even prefers it despite mastering hard, are told to fuck off and die. how do you balance future content around 21 jobs now split into two "difficulties" each, becoming 42 things to balance around in mind right off the bat? is the "hard version" worth the actual challenge and difficulty needed to utilize it or is it effectively a pointless and bloated experiment that may as well not happen?

you're better off just re-implementing Cross Job systems in a different way than they originally were than trying to do that nightmare.

They should look at what people actually engaged with.

Bozja Raids' engagement rates go from 5 to 7 times more than Eureka's BA.

I dont know who told them that Baldesion Arsenal 2 was something people wanted when less than 10% of the playerbase has even wanted to clear it since it came out.

>>719771298
I can't see them creating a situation where there's essentially double the jobs to test for each fight

>>719771457
>I dont know who told them that Baldesion Arsenal 2 was something people wanted
was me
sad though, they disappointed me, Forked Tower is alright, but OC itself is so boring

>>719771457
the biggest bruh moment was making it so that OC is not leveling content. why the fuck do you need to be level 100? would the entire fucking zone fall apart without Seraphism?

>>719771418
Forgoing what I personally want and considering what's realistic for them to do, I think adding chances to optimize your rotation by careful timing and fast reactions sounds close to the best we can get. In other words, it would just be improving on the current skill equalizing design goal

>>719771623
Who cares? Why are so many people obsessed with treating all side content as exp farms? You could have had every single job at level cap half a year before OC released if you just did dailies.

>>719771418
>>719771403
it's not that i want job specializations to be hard coded to be "good" and "bad"
i want there to be a more difficult spec and an easier spec, and obviously the more difficult spec should be capable of higher damage output or there would be no reason to play it except for fun
when it comes to balancing content, balance it depending on the tier of content it is. savage and ultimates should be balanced for the highest level play (savage only for week1/2 before gear starts to make it easier), meta specs required for week 1. extreme level content has always been very easy on dps checks, it can stay that way, anything easier is a nonfactor in balance.

>>719771623
They might be worried about dungeon queues getting longer

>>719757652 (OP)
meanwhile what its actually about:
https://youtu.be/z7PJf9dqRkY?si=ECunuCZH6Wm1hFby

I don't even think it's that: OC is FAR closer to Bozja than to Eureka.

OC is basically Bozja, just take the more mid/bland parts of it, and then slap on the WORST parts of Eureka for some reason, with none of the charm.

Okay, the FF5 Jobs thing is kind of charming, but only until you get your hands on them. And I don't want to fault them too bad - I think they were genuinely trying something new,the multiple slotted actions in stead of just 2 for Logos/Lost Actions, to give something a little closer to the "feel" of a FF5/Tactics/XI SubJob system...but it is just too think to work and too close to the standard Job CD system for the MOST part, with a few random exceptions (like Berserker) that are...often likely to get you killed and mess up your rotation entirely, lol

This wasn't "They listened to Eureka fanboys wanting Eureka 2". This was "They listed to Eureka haters, listened to Bozja haters, and then did what both of them complained about the MOST in one zone"!

>>719771806
I miss engaging writing in the MSQ. I really wish they can get their shit sorted out for the next expansion

>>719771721
>not "good" and "bad", simply "more damage" and "less damage"

>>719771928
I just want to say that you replaying without (you)ing looks really autistic

>>719771980
casuals don't care about being good or bad, they barely press their buttons as is. if you are someone who plays to the best of their ability just pick the better spec, what's the problem?
you now have engaging gameplay and the casuals can't complain because they have an easy option.

>>719772026
>casuals don't care about being good or bad, they barely press their buttons as is.
Casuals aren't MSQ Andies, they're people that play normal mode raids and maybe an EX trial. They're also people that know Samurai felt better to play when it had Kaiten and had more than one kenki draw.

>>719772026
I'd say "bad players who don't realize it" are a much bigger or at least louder that the group that would happily play in casual mode. As mentioned before, your design is an inevitable catastrophe for PF, in addition to going against many philosophies that the dev team just isn't going to go against

>Warrior
Berserk now reduces GCD time to 1 second. Berserk replaces the first step of WAR's combo with Fell Cleave, the second step with Inner Chaos, and the third step with Primal Rend.
Fell Cleave now gives the target a stacking vulnerability up.
Inner Chaos gives the WAR a vuln up, but increased damage dealt.
Primal Rend deals massive damage while also wiping all vuln ups and damage ups.
-The amount of vuln ups consumed by Primal Rend will increase the WAR's max HP.
When Berserk ends, the WAR is inflicted with a 5 second Pacification.
Shake It Off is now learned at level 30 and gives a different bonus effect based on the buff consumed.
-When consuming Pacification, Shake grants the party a damage buff.
-When consuming Thrill of Battle it grants the party increased max HP.
-When consuming Damnation the party will deflect one instance of incoming damage. All of the damage.
Bloodwhetting is deleted.

>Paladin
Cover redirects all of a party member's incoming damage to the Paladin with a 25% reduction and a guaranteed block. Cover is now on a 30 second cooldown.
Intervention rushes the PLD in front of the target party member and absorbs all damage with a guaranteed block.
Shield Swipe returns as an OGCD triggered by all blocks.
When cast under Divine Veil, Clemency becomes a partywide heal with a significant regen attached.
Spirits Within/Expiacion now does damage based on the PLD's current HP.
Holy Circle inflicts Blind.
Holy Sheltron may be cast on a party member.

even at the game's most complex it still wasn't hard. why do you want to be the biggest kid in the kiddie pool when games with far, far higher skill floors exist?

>>719771980
I used to be a Koji apologist, but playing content he translated after years of more straightforward translation feels pretty jarring with the dialogue filling the UI to the brim and having constant jokes and references, especially in side quests. I still think most of it is charming

>>719771457
>DRN is required by the plot, and gives you a taste for DRS.
>DRS has some hard moments but for the most part is completely carry-able by good players.
>You can just queue into it.

Its weird to me they made so many qol and updates to bozja from eureka then just abandoned them, then they were shocked people didnt like occult crescent.

>>719772170
>They're also people that know Samurai felt better to play when it had Kaiten and had more than one kenki draw.
sounds like they should pick the spec that suits them then, including an easier version of the job just makes it so loudmouths can't cry "JOB TOO HARD" and get it dumbed down, they would already have the dumbed down version available.
>>719772191
i can't argue with this, but my thing is that i want jobs to be fun to play, and i also want content that is designated as "difficult" to be difficult, that goes hand in hand with jobs being harder to play. if i had to pick one way or the other i would prefer jobs to be harder to play, the "easy spec" option is merely an olive branch for the people who would cry for simplification because "job too hard"

bozja is dogshit.

>>719772281
Learning the exact timing to do the maximum number of Fell Cleaves as a WAR was fun in Heavensward, and dropping defensive mode to add damage was exciting. None of the later iterations have been nearly as fun to play. Also, I don't care at all comparing myself to other players

>Dark Knight
Blood Weapon grants all of the DRK's attacks a 50% HP drain effect.
Souleater is now a buff that causes all GCDs to drain 25% of the DRK's health to increase their potency.
Current Souleater is replaced by Power Slash.
Bloodwhetting is granted to DRK.
Blood Price returns, granting the DRK MP whenever damage is taken.
Blood Weapon and Souleater may be maintained indefinitely with no cooldown but costs MP. The proc from TBN can be used for these as well.
DRK learns Dread Spikes, which converts a portion of incoming damage to healing. If the DRK is at full health it's converted to bonus health.
Delirium combo now has a cast time to wind up the strikes but damage is significantly increased. A finished combo grants a drain effect and damage buff to the party.

>Gunbreaker
Bloodfest is renamed Draw.
Double Down is renamed Bloodfest.
In addition to filling cartridges, Draw activates three actions, only one may be chosen:
Junction Power will increase the GNB's damage for 30 seconds.
Junction Defense will reduce incoming damage by 50% for 30 seconds.
Draw-Cast Aura will reduce the cooldown on all the GNB's abilities by 25% and increase LB charge for 10 seconds.
Rough Divide returns and now gives the enemy a vulnerability up. 30 second cooldown with two charges.

The only issue I have with jobs is that they're all boring outside of burst windows, and everything is overly centralized around those 2m windows.

I don't even hate the 2m thing inherently, theres just nothing else to the game anymore, and if you run content where syncing bursts isn't really a factor then every job is just boring for no reason.

>>719766851
I do not want to run 10 year old content for my new weapon, I genuinely believe the conspiracy that they cut the 2nd way to progress to make the game seem alive in roulettes
I did run the 24 man though, that was fun on Black Mage

>Synergy Effects
PLD + DRK: Light and Darkness Cast Aloft - While in a party together, a PLD and DRK may freely and instantly swap places and aggro tables. All healing abilities have an increased effect on the DRK and all damage bonuses have an increased effect on the PLD.
PLD + DRG: Rage of Halone - When in a party with a DRG the PLD's Rage of Halone/Royal Authority inflicts a damage down effect on the enemy. DRG's Jump abilities now spray a healing breath around the landing point.
WAR + SCH: Hells or High Waters - All Adloquiums cast on the WAR will be guaranteed direct crits. Shake It Off will spread all Adlo effects to the party alongside a movement speed buff.
WAR + BLM: Mhachi Berserk - All fire elemental spells cast by the BLM reduce the cooldown on Berserk by two seconds. While Berserked, the WAR gains extra fire damage on every hit.
DRK + SMN: Sin of Mist - When summoning Fray, he will be joined by a mist dragon that deals extra damage and grants a pulsing heal to the party. The SMN's primals will be enhanced by the DRK's rage and deal significantly more damage with their ultimate skills. Bahamut becomes Bahamut Fury and Akh Morn is upgraded to Morn Afah.
GNB + AST: Time Compression - All self buffs cast by the GNB will have doubled timers. All buffs cast by the AST will have timers cut in half but doubled potency.
GNB + BLM: Sorceress Knight - All ice spells cast by the BLM will have the equivalent of an Astral Fire 3 potency buff on them. No Mercy's damage buff is doubled and Bloodfest has increased potency along with a guaranteed crit.

>>719772281
i play much harder games too, but i like playing XIV. i enjoy doing week 1 savage and ultimates. i just want it to be more enjoyable. more skill expression is always welcome to me.

>>719772567
>may freely and instantly swap places and aggro tables.
What is provoke for 500

>>719772649
Doesn't swap places or aggro tables.

>>719772563
So much of this game is about being the background npc in another person's MSQ, if the players aren't being retained and Roulettes arent being run then the illusion shatters.

>>719772567
People will find the strongest one and only use that one

it's probably too late to fix jobs. they've removed so many systems and there's no way to interact with content or your party members beyond dealing damage, reducing damage taken, or healing.

>>719772348
I think there's a time and place for it. I know with a mod I am looking to do for another game with a fair bit of filler text I intend to have some cheeky shit for the kind of text that nobody ever gives a shit about and looks at. Like in XIV:

>Help the Golmore Viera dispatch Garlean patrols
Explicitly what it is. Inoffensive, but also so bland it does nothing but logistics.
>Revenge may be served cold, but vengeance is white hot
Hollow edginess/seriousness. Nobody will find the name of the quest cool or more engaging. Why not just go with the explicitly what it is then?
>'Did that bush just speak Viera?' (Vietnam war meme) or 'That rabbit's got a vicious streak a mile wide!' (Monty Python) or 'Rabbit season? No, Garlean Season' (Bugs Bunny joke).
You'll know the context from the quest objective of 0/7 Garlean soldiers killed or whatever. And maybe get a chuckle or a smile out of it. Mild chance you find it obnoxious but so long as the memes are more generic and not some painfully contemporary thing it's usually fine. Wordplay is always good and just

Just keep it legit and serious/proper for the MSQ, then for side quests go funny.

>>719772563
its not a conspiracy, thats exactly why they did it

>>719772727
Don't care, parsetrannies can hang.

AIIEEEEE NO!!!! DONT ADD PLAYER AGENCY!!!! EVERYTHING MUST BE THE SAME!!! SAME SAME SAME!!!! AAAAAHHH!!!!!

>>719772517
>Junction Power will increase the GNB's damage for 30 seconds.
>Junction Defense will reduce incoming damage by 50% for 30 seconds.
FFXIV would need to be a completely different game to make choosing defense preferable in any situation. Maybe if it was Junction Life that raised a dead party member it would be useful in Duty Finder and progression

>>719772791
A 30 second long 50% DR is pretty fucking nuts.

>>719772748
Casuals will enforce it more than any other category of player. They do it all the time in literally every MMO. Your idea sucks cock and so do you little cock sucka

>>719768435
use engagement nigga

>>719772841
By your logic I can open up fflogs and look at M6S and there won't be any NIN clears, right?

>>719772727
>Dark Knight does the most damage of tanks and has since Endwalker began
>Paladin has the most logs in the past two savage tiers

explain this

>>719772649
what the fuck does that mean? 500 what? mana? provoke is free it's on cool down retard

>>719772719
Yeah I was thinking about that, I literally never run dungeon roulettes because it gives me nothing and I've done them a trillion times
What happens when everyone stops?
Nothing good will come of that, but they neutered the base experience and every job plays like dung below level 50-70 so you don't want to engage with that stuff even for the hell of it
>>719772743
I'm glad we see eye to eye on that

chat give me a list with all mods with BOOB SQUISH compatible with RUE.

>>719772813
Maybe in a dungeon, but almost never in a raid

>>719772917
holy esl moment

>>719772897
Sure. I saw plenty of groups outright excluding NIN as an option pretty early on in the tier. I also saw many FRU PFs excluding Machinist, Summoner, and Red Mage as well. Not sure what kind of GACHA you're going for. Your idea sucks cock, by the way

>>719772929
OC is a lost cause that won't be worth reevaluating till the next zone comes out

>>719772968
Niggy just go yank your meat
Don't waste 3 hours modding your shit for a single nut

>>719772968
BWC

>>719773002
>Sure.
Womp womp
>I also saw many FRU PFs excluding Machinist, Summoner, and Red Mage as well.
So if I open up the logs for FRU there won't be any MCH, SMN, or RDM clears right?

>>719772929
>every job plays like dung below level 50-70
I don't think the dev team cares about most gameplay things that are discussed in this thread, but they have to be bothered about that. I hope the next expansion will finally fix it

>>719772885
The point is the game is designed like shit.

>>719773002
>Machinist
Learns Safety Bit, target party member can not die for 10 seconds.
Filler GCD now functions like in PVP.
Learns Reload, which activates a fast 6-hit combo with no casting time.
Drill now inflicts a vuln up.
Chainsaw now has a chance to instantly kill non-boss enemies.
Wildfire can now be used anytime Hypercharge is activated.
Flamethrower now inflicts a DoT. When used during Wildfire the potency of Wildfire is doubled.
Learns Bishop Autoturret. May be made to pulse shields or MP for its 20 second duration. Completely separate from Rook/Queen.
Learns Battery Charge, grants 5000 of the MCH's MP to target party member.
Learns Forcefield, ground targetable damage reduction zone. Absorbs a certain amount of damage before breaking. If broken, the limit gauge increases.

>>719773076
movement abilities shouldn't cause damage

>>719773000
yeah you. I am happy you acknowledge your own inability to form a coherent sentence

>>719773097
Yes they should. Kill yourself.
>NOOOOO BAWWWW I MIGHT HAVE TO NOT DUMP IT ALL INTO THE BUFF WINDOW IF IT WANT TO HAVE THE MOVEMENT FOR A MECHANIC BAWWWWWWW WHY DO I HAVE TO POTENTIALLY TRADE OFF DAMAGE FOR UTILITY AND GAIN HIGHER UPTIME LATER IN EXCHANGE THIS ISN'T FAAAAIIIIRRRRRR

so is this guy's 'ideas' just forum posting like the OC posts? i can't be arsed to look

>>719773072
Thing is it wasn't always that way, they just culled so many mechanics and skills from jobs that every job at lv 1-70 is just 123 spam.

The only thing I could see them doing is a level squish so you get the current array of skills sooner, but they'll likely just start chopping again.

>>719773053
Yes if you look at the chart you posted you'll see with your own eyes that lass people are clearing the fight as Ninja. You're owning yourself in defense of your shitty idea, by the way

>>719773014
that makes cuum at least 3 metres across hte room lcuh

>>719773148
No, they're my own ideas and I post them for fun.

>Bard
Both DoTs upgrade into songs rather than arrow shots shortly after level 30. They now deal magical damage.
Army's Paeon now grants a heavy regen, increases physical damage dealt by 10%.
Mage's Ballad now grants a heavy refresh, increases magic damage dealt by 10%.
Wanderer's Minuet now increases movement speed by 20% and removes positional requirements.
Learns Keeper's Hymn, which doubles the timers of all buffs the party gains during the song.
Learns Traders' Dirge, reflecting a portion of all damage sustained by the party.
Learns Foe's Requiem, inflicts a vulnerability up effect on nearby enemies.
Learns Matron's Choir, increases all healing effects on the party.
Learns Fury's Litany, increases crit rate by 10%.
Learns Hero's Rime, 10 minute cooldown, doubles the max HP of all party members, increases damage dealt by 10%, and guarantees that all damage is a direct crit.
All songs no longer have a cooldown except for Hero's Rime.
At level 90, two songs may be maintained at once.

>>719773147
looking forward to the last of them being removed in 8.0

>>719773154
I'd say moving a lot of skills to a lower level would already fix the worst of the issue

>>719773164
Oh wait, so people ARE clearing the fight as Ninja?
So there are people who aren't just playing what's strongest?
So you're wrong and full of shit?

>>719773007
Obviously, can't believe the content loop is constant FATE and CE running with no brakes
There's nothing interesting or well paced like Eureka or Bozja, and them not having a Normal Mode Forked Tower was a red flag
>>719773072
This has been a problem for yeaaaars, and it just gets worse every expansion
Don't count on it

>>719773154
Dragoon was pretty much always 123 spam to 50 and up

>>719773228
Then you lose any sort of progression in higher content until current expac.

>>719773097
That doesn't even have anything to do with what I said.

>>719773232
I wish I could live in this strange hyperbolic world you seem to have created for yours so you could 'win' every argument you get into. Please figure out what nuance is. I'm ending this discussion on a happy note, you suck cock

>>719773154
I remember the ARR leveling dungeon gameplay being pretty much as simple as it is now skills-wise. But enemies did do more damage and died slower

>>719773295
>I wish I could live in this strange hyperbolic world
You're the guy living in the world where nobody plays anything except whatever tops fflogs, so I'd say you're there already. Hang yourself sooner rather than later parsetranny, you've done enough damage to this game.

>>719773258
it does. you don't want to use engagement because it doesn't move you

i said movement abilities shouldn't cause damage so you'd only use displacement when you wanted to backflip. its as retarded as a black mage who uses aetherial displacement randomly, or a samurai backstepping and then charging forward

>>719772905
I still don't have an explanation for this.
Someone please tell me why the lowest DPS tanks (WAR/PLD) have more logs than the higher DPS tanks (DRK/GNB).

Parsebrain told me this wouldn't happen.

>>719773372
Plunge and Rough Divide were fun. Kill yourself.

>>719773372
A RDM doing Engagement to start the melee combo and Displacement at the end of it is kind of a core part the job's aesthetic

>>719773440
I miss it.

>>719773440
yes. but why do they need to do damage?

>Viper
Dual Wield and Twinblade are now proper stances.
Dual Wield stance is for setting your buffs. Twinblade is for gaining gauge.
In Dual Wield 5 gauge may be spent to add a poison DoT to the final hit of your combo. Each final hit has its own DoT.
Learns Kiss of the Viper, in Twinblade stance hitting a poisoned target causes an extra hit for the full potency of the DoT.
Learns Dyne, an alternate gauge spender for Twinblade stance. GCD hits are slower, but can be used at a range. Weave Zidane's Dyne abilities and finish with Grand Lethal. Tidal Flame inflicts a burn DoT and Grand Lethal inflicts a vuln up.

>>719773421
>takes a gameplay purist stance
>whines about animation changes

>>719773513
To make you play it in a way that looks right. That's a part of every job's design to some degree

>>719773632
They're attacks, they should deal damage. You're crying because you occasionally had to leave one charge out of the buff window for movement, because you hate gameplay and you hate video games and you want it to play itself. The idea of sacrificing half a percentile on your fflogs profile reminds you that you are your father's son and you will die your father's son and the poor bastard will have to clean your brain matter off his wall.

I think that the biggest difference is that those didnt happen until way later, while BSF had way more content than OC does.

On top of that, it wasnt the steps that you needed to repeat. The steps you had to repeat were more efficient to do inside Bozja, not outside.

And there wasnt any stupid ass tomestone step, too.

>>719772929
>>719772929
Cocoli is strictly is cock to cock on most things, not eye to eye.
Green ones usually

>>719773421
I like shadowstride more cause I can pretend its chaos control

>>719773513
Because you're piercing the enemy with your sword and it would look and feel retarded if it didn't do damage and there's nothing wrong with potentially having to sacrifice some damage if you can gain mobility later (this means gaining damage later when otherwise you'd have to drop GCDs to move by the way). You seem to have trouble with the idea of delayed gratification. What shade of brown are you?

>>719773406
because they're extremely easy to play, have powerful sustain tools, and the dps difference is negligible to the point of irrelevance
drk should be lower as it feels like absolute ass to play outside burst, but it still gets parses due to its status as the "high damage tank"
gnb's lowest due to it being genuinely punishing to drift on

>White Mage
Learns Quake, a long cast GCD that inflicts massive AoE damage and an "off-balance" debuff on all enemies hit.
Learns Tornado, an AoE DoT that inflicts increased upfront damage to all enemies with the "off-balance" debuff.
Learns Fluid Aura at level 15 once again, an AoE filler spell that eventually turns into Holy.
Learns Flood, an AoE OGCD nuke that can be cast for free after casting Cure III.
All tics of Dia have a 10% chance of granting Banish, a single target OGCD nuke.
Asylum is renamed to Sacred Soil.

>Scholar
Cleric Stance returns, but is renamed as Dark Arts/Light Arts.
In Dark Arts, Adloquium will transform into Broil. Succor will transform into Art of War. Physick will transform into Biolysis. Ruin II will transform into Miasma.
Swapping back to Light Arts returns them to healing spells.
All faerie abilities now use the faerie gauge as a resource.
The faerie gauge is refilled by using Energy Drain.
Under Dark Arts, Energy Drain simply becomes Drain and deals a significant amount of damage while also returning MP and HP to the party, but does not refill faerie gauge.
Sacred Soil's field is reduced to its original size, but multiple Sacred Soils may be placed at once. Sacred Soil is renamed to Asylum.

>>719773759
>What shade of brown are you?
Racism raises the risk of depression and suicide. It's not smart

>>719773861
correlation =/= causation

>>719773804
Wait...so damage isn't everything????
Defensive Utility has value????
People will play what they want to????
Woah...maybe we should try to expand that in the game more then.

>Role Skills
Role skills now change based on the job equipping them, providing the expected core functionality along with extra bonuses.
>Lucid Dreaming
BLM: Dream of Black - Xenoglossy and Foul trigger the casting of Scathe II, an OGCD that guarantees the next Fire spell will be a critical direct hit
SMN: Dream of Gods - Any summons called forth while under the effect provide a partywide buff specific to the summon. Multiple effects can stack. Example: Titan grants Stoneskin. Garuda grants a movement speed buff. Leviathan grants increased healing received.
RDM: Dream of Crimson - All damage inflicted on the enemy while the effect is active provides bonus mana of both types. The next Verraise costs no MP.
PCT: Dream of Stars - Starry Muse cast under the effect now provides a partywide shield. Any spells cast within the landscape trigger a partywide heal.
WHM: Dream of Saints - All healing effects cast under this effect have doubled potency.
SCH: Dream of Strategy - The cooldown of Expedience is reduced by one minute. Sacred Soils cast under this effect have no cost.
AST: Dream of Fortune - The effect of Wheel of Fortune while granted under this effect gives all affected party members a guaranteed critical direct hit buff for 10 seconds.
SGE: Dream of Genius - Addersgall and Addersting are both restored to full. The next Kerachole will grant partywide shields that will grant Addersting when broken.

>>719773372
>you don't want to use engagement
I didn't say that retard. I use engagement 99% of the time. I'm complaining that the encounter design is so rigid that it precludes something as basic as just backflipping from a boss.

Cleared TOP as my last ultimate and I have to say, I’m glad it’s over. P6 was such a slog and I will be seeing exasquares in my nightmares. Last phase firmly puts it near the bottom of my personal enjoyment list, only beating out UWU. Took me a little over 3 years from stepping into my first ultimate to clearing them all and I’ve certainly met a lot of interesting people along the way. I do love raiding but I think I’m going to retire to be a crafting main for a bit.

>>719757652 (OP)
So...this is what FFXIV is all about, ne?

>>719773996
The last phase of TOP is the one that made it all worth it for me. I fucking hate that fight but the last phase is also one of the best things I've experienced in the game.

>>719773996
Did you use PF for all of it?

This is all conjecture on my part but levelling and expert are pretty well populated already due to their reward efficiency. You already get one fourth of your weekly capped tomestones in one expert run and leveling roulette gives a bunch of exp to a job and both of these roulettes are just one dungeons length worth of time and effort. The 4 selected relic roulettes just don’t offer the same reward efficiency as those two.

I’ve also been helping a squad of sprouts progress through their stories and optional content and the queue times for stuff as early as the void ark are abysmally long. On Aether in the afternoon, queuing up for Ridoranna took almost 15 minutes with a group of 6 with supports filled in our premade. I can’t even imagine how long queuing the EW alliance raids would take. When the last moogle tome event happened, the Nier raids were popping up like hotcakes since those were included for bonus tomes. Like it or not, these extra material incentives do boost population in the duties long forgotten.

Saying all this now though makes me worried that players will cheese the flexibility once again and just do alliance raid roulette on level 50 jobs and just force crystal tower runs.

>>719774054
From a time investment standpoint, an alliance raid roulette should at least be a free level on an alt job.

they could have at least added a new frontline map if they wanted me to grind roulettes

that or change the frontline rotation to be like CC so map changes every however long it is

>>719774170
Yeah, it's strange why the reward isn't better. Alliance raids (especially from SB on) are fun content too, they really should be kept populated

FRU was my first ultimate and I made the costly mistake of not trying to clear it on patch. So far I've probably spent almost 300 hours progging it, and have reached P5 a few times but have yet to clear it; as far as I know, there is not a single other person who has spent this long and not cleared. I have been progging this around 10 hours a week for about 8 months on end.

I consider myself a decent raider and I think I'm pretty consistent at mechanics and pressing my buttons. I had no problems clearing 7.2 savage, and even cleared it quickly.

I play on Elemental server, which is known to having a huge player leak towards other Japanese DCs. Therefore to prog on this DC, I generally have to stay within statics. I progged around 10 months over 3 different statics, all of which disbanded due to lack of progression. Now I'm biting the bullet and relearning the strat on the Japanese (Mana) DC where there is actually a decent raiding population.

I've basically already seen every mechanic of the fight and I think I'm quite consistent (like making no more than 1 or 2 mistakes over 2-3 hours), but every clear/P5 party seems to have huge consistency issues. Usually it's a different person each run wiping us in P3/P4, setting us back 10-15 minutes. I'm not sure if there is a reliable way to go for clear, because I'm clearly doing something inefficient, since I'm willing to spend as many hours as needed, as long as there is steady progress.

What would be my options currently? Has anyone been in my situation and can maybe share.

I'm thinking the only way is to merc for cleared players but that feels a bit scummy.

>>719774438
Join a static or wait for the game's population to recover.

>>719773406
I can tell you.
PLD and WAR are simpler and honestly more fun to play.
GNB is annoying with all the ogcd pushing.
DRK has the same thing, but also has the "no big damage number showing up" thing that make it noot as fun to play.

For me that's it.

>starts crip walking
Vizex Xene
On da scene
Look so cool so fresh so clean

Lil bro on that hot new Yan mount! You must be a pretty tough little guy to tame something that powerful!

>>719774438
From my own experience I can tell you that Ultimate runs are just RNG until you hit a golden run or at least a gold-lined run.
Keep hammering away and you'll get it eventually, some days you'll just spend hours waiting for it to fill and running out of peak Ultimate-running hours.

>>719774714
It's not RNG, it's just retards being inconsistent. You can be perfect every time but there are seven other idiots with you who will fuck up a mechanic they just did 50 times in a row.

It is possible to clear an Ultimate with PF parties on European servers?

>>719774778
godspeed soldier - signed a WOL with 95 totems and one wing sighting might want to wait until next patch when the drop rate increases

>>719774752
I think that anon used RNG to mean real life random chance, which is a semantically wrong but aesthetically and philosophically sound (in the context of video game discourse) use of the term

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XOUCo0N-YQo

damn this game used to have sovl

>>719774878
I've never liked how 1.0 looks

>>719767326
Japanese for "innit"

>>719774878
>sovl
The zones were quite literally copypasta

>>719775304
And now they're MKW intermission tracks

>>719775304
They had repeating terrain because FCs were intended to be able to build structures out there and you would have territory wars. So they made the zones with that in mind. Development just never got that far.

>>719775371
That doesn't sound nearly good enough of a concept to sacrifice the map design to, especially since they couldn't finish it for the release. This probably goes for many things in 1.0

>>719774878
There's a lot of issues with this game but the aesthetics of the zones are definitely not one of them. The lesson here is that flying is cancer.j

>>719775673
The non-flying zones in field missions are some of the ugliest in the game. But they probably have a much lower budget than the main ones

>>719775498
1.0 in general was basically "What if we made FF11 again but BETTER?" with ambitions, budget and shaders everywhere - and absolutely no idea amidst outsourcing, mismanagement and horrific development decisions as to actually getting any of it to come the fuck together. Not to mention making an MMO in 2010 that played like a PS2-first MMO from 2002 with virtually next to no proper innovations on the formula besides some modernized control scheme / menuing tidbits, and that wasn't even that much.
People shit on XIV being a WoW clone but the reality of the matter was that unlike most WoW clones, it worked in a ride or die scenario, and that's what we got saddled with.

>>719775673
I have dreams of playing a good version of 1.X with an adventuring party slowly questing or levelling with everyone having unique job kits :(
Sort of a, dare I say, adventure?
Yes I play retail XI now but it's not quite the same feeling, probably because I just came in too late
>>719775304
Running around the zones in the server emulator was so cool to me with how uneven the terrain is that I didn't even notice any copy pasting, which I'm sure you're just parroting

>>719775884
8.0 will save jobs bro
trust the plan

>>719775923
I'm far out of hope at this point, but I'm willing to be surprised

>show screenshot from mog station's purchase page stating I traveled worlds on the 2nd
>UMM ACKCHUYALLY ACCORDING TO OUR SYSTEM YOU DIDN'T OKAY BYE

does squeernix have the worst customer service in vidya?

>>719775884
The only really obvious copypasting I noticed back in the day were the tower shaped caves in Thanalan, the same structure they still use for Little Ala Mhigo today (it was still there back then but the cave was completely empty lol, no town at all even though it was labelled), and some spots in Black Shroud which I didn't see anything wrong with because the forest is alive, hostile, and actively trying to confuse you.

>>719775802
What turned me off from 1.0 were the choppy and slow menus, bad performance and the exp caps.
They didn't just copy XI, but created a ton of new problems

Free login campaign but haven't touched the game since the last free login sometime between 6.5 and 7.0
Probably just gonna fish for the last few big fish I haven't gotten and triple triad cards that I don't have yet if there are any
Anything else I can do without DT? 14k hours so it's not like there's much I haven't done
Gonna be my first time playing XIV without owning an expansion which is neat I guess

>>719776085
If I remember right, one big killer for the game's performance was that one of the options was a poorly labeled/explained resolution scaling choice, so anyone that tried to max that out for the time was basically pushing like a 720p-1080p game towards 1440p-4k or some shit in an era where it wasn't even on the market consideration yet. An attempt to be forward thinking was a proverbial GPU nuke.

>>719776085
Yeah nobody who says they copied XI should be listened to. 1.0 was wildly different from XI in almost every single way except for the races being visually reminiscent. All of my LS mates fucking hated it and went back within the first week.

>>719776025
they're absolutely useless

>>719776134
Cosmic exploration might count as EW content, not sure.

>>719776159
>forward thinking
It seems to me that 1.0 in general had the design philosophy of "it will have EVERYTHING... eventually", which lead to the product being put on sale a mess

>>719776264
It could have at least had one or two things on launch but the CEO at the time had a shitty pissy about Cataclysm and wanted the game released NOW!!!! to compete with WoW. And to make matters worse they had already begun the process of intentionally nuking FFXI's gameplay balance to try and prep the playerbase to move over, so they needed it ready.

>>719776159
Considering how bad the FFXIII PC port is and that FFXIV 1.0 used the same/similar engine, it was probably a technical mess in many ways

>>719776224
Says requirement is clearing Endwalker MSQ, so maybe it is doable, thanks

>>719775884
The FFXIV 1.0 copy pasta issue was widely reported on, not my fault that you’re too retarded to use a search engine

>>719776662
>widely reported on
Based on what? You posted a generated summary that requires exactly one source to spout its bullshit

You wanna be devs and your dogshit ideas are so gucking cringe.
Two sentences in and I can already tell the problems it's gonna cause in PF.
Just swap to blue mage and cast self-destruct

>>719774752
What >>719774851 said.

>>719776784
>You wanna be devs
No, just having a conversation about a video game with our anonymous friends

>>719775189
Damn I know this guy

>>719776901
Not your friend niggy

>>719777003
You are to me and there's nothing you can do about it

>>719769886
>so where does the combat system even go from here, the jobs, the leveling, etc.
lvl 110
2 new jobs (they play the same as the other jobs)
exciting new abilities for each class! 2 new abilities (they replace old abilities, but have +20 potency), a finisher, +10% damage trait and an OGCD 'do 400 potency' button!
you know it

>>719772968
she's getting brutally fucked by BWC and reaching climax btw

>>719757652 (OP)
what bout my hroth

>>719775802
>1.0 in general was basically "What if we made FF11 again but BETTER?"
not really, as a long time FFXI player (best mmo ever btw), XIV was trash when it came out

>>719777157
jack missed raged of halone

>>719774878
https://youtu.be/liW0OvjlJmw
nah

>>719757652 (OP)
Yes
Unironically
Literally 100% of the playerbase after a expansion release are faggots, trannies and furries ERPing

>>719773895
r u retarded
you know smn has or at least had a bunch of players because it was easy as fuck to play too right

>>719782423
That proves the point though. People would rather play SMN, which is more fun but does less damage, than the jobs that are less fun but do more damage.

>>719775802
>1.0 in general was basically "What if we made FF11 again but BETTER?"
It only ever sounded like this on paper, but they didn't really seem to understand what was good about XI in the first place. You can tell they just had a bunch of random ideas and no one vetoed any of it. The entire retainer hall system was just somebody looking at the Rolanberry mall and going "this is clearly what players want to have instead of an auction house, let's put it in the game for real" without having the lucidity to realize that it was their design choice to make some items bazaar-only that necessitated the mall in the first place.

They just need to make XIV 2 or XVII already this shit is boring and no one wants to play it anymore.

>>719760121
He went on exchange one in uni and has been an insufferable cunt ever since.

I'm a sk8er boi

>>719784172
you bought it from the marketboard didn't you

>>719784312
No! Just a few hours of gathering EX+

>>719784401
damn, alright
i need to do that too but cba to get the 7.3 gear

Is there going to be another crafted set of DoH / DoL gear, or is this the final tier and only a catch-up ilvl scrip version will be added?

Please, I don't want to pentameld and then be left behind again...

>>719784585
I think this is the last set but idk.
I fucking hate melding I swear so I feel you.

>>719784430
You can get just the gathering set and CE relic and that's good enough for DoL EX+ missions. DoH EX+ are pretty difficult even in full 7.3 pentamelds and using food

>>719784823
Does that include the aetherial reduction ones? I fucking hate the aetherial reduction ones.

crafting is for faggots and jews. gatherers are the true chads. fishers are kings among men.

I wanna gather and craft on my own but man it's just cockblock after cockblock.
Scrip farming and pissing away materia. Fookin love it m8.

>>719784868
Yeah timed missions are 45 reductions and weather missions are 12x max collectability gathers.
Both are roughly the same thing, just gather as many max collectability items as possible, in both missions if you play it right and are lucky with procs you can finish the mission in just 2 nodes.

>>719785138
How are you going to even deal with that collectability when you blow your load on like the first node? At least I need to, in order to get the best results.
Can use a Hi-Cordial, sure, but that doesn't bring me back up to max either.

>>719776771
NTA, but he's right that the zone designs were ridiculously repetitive. Western Coerthas Highlands was the same as Eastern Coerthas Highlands, maybe just the place of lakes was different.
There was actually few notable landmarks/locations, which combined with no actual quests using these places, it was barren as hell. The first weeks I actually hit all the aetherial nodes too.
Now I personally loved the areas, but ARR switching to smaller zones with variantion between each one was huge. That was the reason the Black Shroud was done first in the Alpha tests.
I vividly remember Yoshi-P commenting in one of the Live Letter that the alpha testers loved South Shroud visually in the alpha tests, cause of how the swap looked.

>>719785920
Why does everything look so fogfucked?
And it also feels like there's chromatic abberation or something similar.

>>719785262
I personally spent 900 GP on the first node (3 integrity restores), that left me with 100, Cordial back to 500, do reductions/wait until 600, and do 2 integrity restores on the 2nd node, I don't use GP on anything else for the first 2 nodes.

>>719774170
there's a reason why i still haven't done most post ARR alliance raids. i made an exception for the ivalice raids since i have a soft spot for FFXII, but the first nier raid alone took a fucking eternity and i don't need shit like that clogging up my roulette
the fact that CT currently gives you the same daily bonus as the aforementioned slog really dissuades me from doing the rest. i might change my tune once i cap out all of the jobs i care about, but for now lol

>>719774438
I'm on elemental too and most of the good players are currently unsubbed, or they only play with each other anyway. Nothing you can do but look for a static on the elemental raiding discord and hope you can scrounge up enough decent players. I wouldn't wish pugging an ultimate on anyone.

>>719776085
i played the 1.0 beta for a very short time and i remember being disgusted by how sloppy the cursor movement was. It was a software mouse or something so it was incredibly laggy and just felt wrong.

>>719786361
Cause the weather is fog?

>>719788138
looks like anti soul gas

>>719788323
it's a good thing they fix that
oh wait

The primary difficulty is the games shit poor netcode and convoluted skills
PvP skills is unironically superior becuase each class is boiled down to what best defines them and does it all with only 5 keys.

>>719757652 (OP)
No It's about femezen

Where are the catboxes?
I need something to masturbate to

>>719791409
S E X
E X S
X S E

>>719790413
PvP is so damn fun. Surviving in Frontlines is a matter of gaining spatial awareness to not get blindsided. Surviving in CC is a matter of not stacking with everyone to get AOEd and using movement and line of sight cleverly.
And when you learn about Rival Wings that’s worth doing too.
I’m nearly done with getting the mount achievements (was GC hopping for the horses and now I just need one GC at 200 wins for a ball).
And yeah, the way how each job actually has its identity is amazing.

>>719791838
That was what I said too

>>719774878
Is there a private server or a way to play OG FF14?
Not 1.0 but 1.x which is the updated version of 1.0 with all the Qol updates they added.
I would play that version in an instant.

>>719793187
Impossible because scripting doesn’t exist for any of the old fights.
And even then, majority of 1.0s updates was just beta tests for ARR implementation. From the trials to them figuring out dungeons.
Hell, something I never see someone talk about with 1.0 is how do do the primal fights, you have to party farm tokens for hours at a beast tribe. And after doing a dungeon there’s a 15 minute cooldown before you could enter again. Like really?

when people have nostalgia they tend to forget all the jank and awful bits and just remember the fun times they had despite it

anything new to do today?

ah yes, we need to make room for more silksong threads. i think we'll be reaching earthbound levels of 'big 'game' fan excited to play game for first time' with this one

>>719794312
Fuck, that's genuinely makes me depressed. It really goes look great especially compared to Dawntrail.

>>719795178
How can I have nostalgia for FF14 1.x when I've never played it?

>>719796932
Because if you'd played it, you would not want to touch it with a ten foot pole.

>>719797119
Thats how i feel about dawntrail now

>>719797119
That's how I feel about current FF14 so I want to try FF14 OG to compare.

>>719797246
>>719797323
1.0 was dull as fucking dishwater, gameplay footage on youtube attests

daily reminder that the UI was serverside and settings menus lagged

>>719797385
I'm not asking for 1.0 but 1.x.

>>719797556
1.x is not horribly different in most areas

1.0 had better music

>>719797246
he means in a no meme

new gaki dropped

>>719797585
If you're trying to convince me that 1.x is a worse experience than Dawntrail, it's not going to work because Dawntrail convinced me to unsubscribe from a game I had put 4000 hours into.

>>719797904
why is her shirt open like that

>>719760121
Nothing matters anymore. Koji Fox was the heart and soul of the game and losing him pretty much drained any kind of consistency or integrity the lore had. Shadowbringers was the beginning of the end and Endwalker was the nail in the coffin. We can never go back and I fucking hate it.

>>719791409
good

>>719797938
>this expansion that was 95% similar to every other expansion WAS SO BAD IT MADE ME UNSUB
you want a cookie?

>>719798403
made for big wuk cock

>>719798184
SEX!

>>719798385
If it was 95% siimilar in every way to every other expac why did it manage to send us back to pre-stormblood numbers?

>>719798030
Because she's that kind of girl, clearly

ANOTHER all worlds? FUCK off

>>719798562
it definitely didn't send us to stormblood or prior's community, we wouldn't even be talking about player sub numbers and you'd be called a huge autist for thinking that mattered

>>719798064

Trying to retcon Shadowbringers into being bad is never gonna work, troon-kun.

>>719798562
The numbers get crazier with every thread.
If you want a real answer, it's a mixture of things, but one of them is that a double to quadrupling of subscribers due to an exodus from another game going to shit was never natural and never going to stick (and thank god for that).
XIV's natural numbers on a good day are around start to mid of ShB numbers. Anything past that is an inorganic influx.

>>719798645
there was an issue with too many mods working, so they're going to fix that

>>719798872
Don't care about your tranny mods, do care about 10 hours of my playtime

>>719797904
she doesn't look very kuso or mesu

>>719798674
shadowbringers being a divine elephant immune to criticism is funny

>>719798838
It was so obvious most of the WoW streamers that came over didn't like the game

>>719799059
people love their magic flying piggies who fix something that had been looming over the heads of the characters for nearly 10 years at that point

>>719799074
I'm not saying XIV is doing everything right or the game can't be better, but yes. A lot of the players from [that game] never liked or cared for XIV, and only stuck to it for as long as WoW was too shit for them to go back to. If Endwalker wasn't a perfect excuse for that, then Dawntrail certainly was. I don't know what the numbers would have been like if Dawntrail was received well, but we wouldn't be sticking around 1.5 to 2m players because a lot of those players were clamoring to run back to their old sweetheart.

and then garlemald was destroyed (offscreen)
Heres more emet selch!

>>719798997
Keep paying for maintenance gaijin! I need another new rorex!

>>719799371
>only stuck to it for as long as WoW was too shit for them to go back to
It still is. Blizzard is a dogshit company and I openly mock anyone still giving those faggots money.

>>719799378
>garlemald was destroyed (offscreen)
good, empire dying ignominiously for the real threat is funny

>>719799476
>It still is. Blizzard is a dogshit company and I openly mock anyone still giving those faggots money.
Oof. Well, a lot of them went back for the current expansion and some more I assume in preparation for the next.

does that fag preach still play, he was the one that asked yoshi for the chat bubbles that got added

>>719799531
This but unironically. It was the exact kind of poetic demise it deserved.

>>719799531
I'm very sick of it at this point. XIV, XV and XVI have all done this "the empire gets destroyed offscreen and you only visit it after the fact" shit.

>>719799562
Nope, now that World of Warcraft: The Worldsoul Saga: Midnight is getting the anticipated Player Housing, any edge xiv had is gone.

>>719799371
I know a fair amount of people (~10) who "fell" for the exodus, most of them just went "is this wordswordswords cutscene simulator/2.5s GCD really the only competition WoW has to offer?" and then quit MMOs entirely. I don't think a single one of them managed to reach Shadowbringers. WoW is still shit but XIV isn't good enough to be a replacement for them.
And like >>719799476 said, Blizzard as company has been brain drained to shit and is running on fumes from addicts.

>>719799562
No he went back to WoW and is shilling that now LOL.

>>719799873
grifters gonna grift

>>719769259
Friendly reminder that 99 3d resolution scaling applies a nice sharpening filter that makes the game look better / less smudgy.

God I miss succubi in content.

>>719799707
don't worry i wasn't being ironic either
garlemald dying without even a whimper after varis declared manifest destiny for it was funny
>>719799738
XV probably did it because it was rushed and FFVI did it, XVI did it because sanbreque doesn't have any depth to it outside of dion/bahamut

I noticed a trend that whenever a content creator asks for a thing to be added, by the time Yoshida's incompetent team take 50 years to add it the person who asked already stopped playing.

>>719799847
Well, I'll accept that. Point being is that the growth XIV got in late ShB just wasn't sustainable. The game was doing fine growing bit by bit from expansion to expansion, and that kind of growth is what you can hold on to. But the extreme leap in numbers from that time is a bubble that's begging to be popped.
I've seen a fair few that were getting antsy to run back to WoW as soon as that dragon expansion came out, but they probably couldn't straight up do that without egg on their faces, so they had to make up this whole spiel about XIV had changed from being "heckin peak", and WoW was so bvck.
Some did indeed quit MMOs outright since WoW was irredeemable, but none of the other MMOs (including XIV) could hit that spot either.

how badly do they regret the oceanic servers and dynamis

>>719800336
I would not be surprised if we see a server merge of Dynamis into Primal by 8.0

>>719800229
leaving their legacy as cucking out while everybody else remaining enjoys the added QoL

Apparently they wanna add a vertical axis to housing furniture so that's nice.

>>719800609
bro we just got speech bubbles that'll take another 4 years of development at the very least

>>719800658
Eh, I don't mind. QoL changes are QoL changes.
It's only important to me if my enjoyment hinges on those changes, but it's just a bonus 4 me teebeeaytch.

>>719798385
>MMO is a narrative driven, story focused, story first experience
>Story is different, so different that it even replaced your character as the main character
>so that means it's similar.
You win today's King of the Retards awards.

>>719800609
>almost none of your players can get a house and remain on an active server
>waste dev time on housing updates that do not solve this issue
>complain about dev budget

what did yoshida mean by this

>>719800532
You mean QoL everyone was already using with plogons for years?

>>719800760
Tbf we don't know what else they intend to do. Some fag asked if they'll ever add the ability to float shit natively and YoshiP just said they've finished discussion on something like that.

>>719800723
>so different that it even replaced your character as the main character
You didn't play the expansion, frogposter

In fact your character has more Goku moments in Dawntrail than in Endwalker and most of Shadowbringers

>>719760121
Fun fact, on Stormblood launch there was a side quest in Yanxia with a Namazu claiming "I'm gonna be the richest Namazu in all of Eorzea!"
No idea if that ever got fixed.

>>719800831
no i mean QoL for everybody in the vanilla game and therefore console, QoL additions count even when you can use unofficial addons for them

Still slowly playing the free trial waiting when the game supposedly gets bad.

>>719800876
NTA Interphos still stings, though.
I love that trial. It's so fun, and I'm farming it for the TT card.
But every time "that" happens, I have to tab out until it's passed.

>>719766615
Oda was the lorefag. Ishikawa is much more of a vibes/scene based storyteller. It's why the best stories this game has had were from the two of them collaborating. Oda does amazing background work, Ishikawa excels at foreground stuff. If it's all Oda, you get a relatively dull loredump. If it's all Ishikawa, you get a confused mess of hype-farming moments that will leave you wondering what ACTUALLY happened when you think about it a few weeks later.

>>719801057
Start of Stormblood/Stormblood main quest (not patches) is considered bad.
And then Endwalker patches and Dawntrail main story + 7.1 is considered bad.

>>719801057
It never does get bad It's overreaction to your character's knob not being slobbed for what is functionally, in the story, five minutes. And then it does in fact start slobbing your knob again, harder than ever before depending on how you look at it.

>>719801057
You probably wont see that until the main game gets ~9.4

>>719800876
>You didn't play the expansion because what you said which is completely true, objectively true, unequivocally true is somehow untrue because...because...because it just is.
Oh shit, so Wuk isn't the MC of Dawntrail somehow, Interphos didn't happen, the Scions changing their personalities because of Wuk didn't happen, the PeluPelu Lama didn't happen, the Harvest parade float didn't happen, the Taco cooking trial didn't happen, Wuk being first in the Scion group even before the Wol didn't happen.
Oh that's right you're full of shit.

Why didn't Endwalker have an underground zone?

>>719801171
Part of Ishikawa too is Maehiro actively meddling with her setup in the earlygame of ARR and HW, where he started shrieking WOMEN BAD like an /r9k/ blackpiller and killed Moenbryda and Ysayle relatively shortly after their introductions

>>719801243
Assuming ShB in 7.5
EW in 8.5
DT in 9.5
By the gods, you're right.

>>719801263
the scions changed their personalities because none of them but urianger and thancred have any reason to be there at all and the latter two's reason is a bit flimsy, all the rest of this is you getting distracted by a furry

>>719801320
That's kinda based, honestly.

>>719801286
Labyrinthos

>>719801320
>moenbryda
nobody care about that troglodyte ogres
>ysayle
scions have enough elezens

>>719801431
Bad writing is not based

>>719801263
Add to that "Speak to Wuk Lamat" 139 times along with interviews from Yoshida saying they wanted to try something new for Dawntrail and have the Wol step back into a 'mentor' role and see another character take up the fore.
Oh and also, playing the actual expansion and having eyes you'll experience who is the MC and it isn't the Wol.
So now the people defending current FF14 have gone so far into their own lying world that they're now trying to say Wuk wasn't the MC for Dawntrail, lying is their new strategy.
KEK.

Still waiting for those Ramuh egi promised in ARR

>>719801521
>Rise Narukami
I knew it was canon

>>719801517
If that were true then why is Stranger of Paradise the greatest game ever made?

what is her problem

>>719801621
Because Stranger of Paradise is secretly written really, really well. I respect that game's writing's strength.

lol

>>719801320
Moenbryda was killed because Japanese fans fucking HATED her. She was literally proto-Wuk Lamat.

>>719801657
Some dude that wants to blow everything up is being recalcitrant.

>>719801320
Ysayle is whatever, has a tragic arc but its not particularly good or bad. Moenbryda is only remembered because she died early. She would've ended up like Meffrid or Papalymo otherwise

>>719801621
Stranger of Paradise is not badly written, Nomura also doesn't turn into a frothing knuckledragger when he sees female characters that aren't rape trauma motivated

>>719801521
How the fuck is Wuk Lamat third when she's been in a single expansion? Third? Even in front of Yshtola. What the fucking fuck?

>>719801621
Because the writing is unironically good, people are just too irony poisoned to take it seriously so they cope by saying it's "so bad it's good". It's just good. You don't have to cringe at everything, and you don't have to rationalise your enjoyment of "childish" things after the fact out of fear of being mocked.

Ysayle is proto-Bakool Ja Ja.

>>719801521
The WOL being a mentor character is a good idea. The problem is thats not what happened in dawntrail and its just cope diehard fans lie to themselves about over dawntrail.

>>719801735
She's the heart and soul of Dawntrail, or was that Kate? Or Sena? Hahaha what a shit show.

>>719801735
>even in front ot Y'shtola
Y'shtola was out of comission for all of HW and SB.
You'd swear she's some kind of super OP character who'd be able to solve every problem instantly with the way she got bitched back then.

>>719801793
I fucking love Bakool Ja Ja. I don't really care about what point you're making, I just love those guys.

>>719801521
>7.1
the depressing part is that she's probably outranked alisaie by now

>>719801839
I know the role of the Warrior of Light in Dawntrail, it was to be a camera man for Wuk. Stand in the background and getting cool camera shots for Wuk even in Interphos.

>>719801864
XIV died because Kate tried to platform a talentless tranny

>>719801735
scions are underused to their own detriment prior to shadowbringers and dawntrail 7.0 was both wuk lamat focused and stretched insanely long to tell a fairly short story

this isn't surprising, everybody's brain falls out of their ass with that dialogue chart reddit repost btw and the game and all of its mishandlings and misuses and total character absences just suddenly cease to exist as reasons for why any of them are low on that chart

alphinaud is the deuteragonist and mouthpiece for most of the game and gets the most dialogue because he's the only scion that existed for enormous stretches, alisaie secondmost because after she's formally introduced in late heavensward she bounces off of alphinaud most

>>719801948
My point is they both were clumsily handled heel turns.
Ysayle an unrepentant ice witch to bleeding heart empath.
Bakool Ja Ja from spiteful piece of shit that will unleash a calamity just to get ahead to... what he is now.

>>719802075
Bakool Ja Ja had a pretty rough idea that Valigarmanda was just gonna be a speed-bump to the Warrior of Light at the very least, if it were a credible threat to Mamook in his head he probably wouldn't have done it.

>>719802075
You mean face turns, anon? Go over and lurk a bit more on >>>/pw/

>>719801949
Wuk 100% has outstripped Alisaie now as Alisaie had virtually no speaking lines in the post patches especially compared to Wuk so now the character with the second most dialogue in the entire game will be the most hated character in the entire game.

>>719802228
>most hated character in the entire game
I hate alphi more.

>>719802209
ugh, yeah fine.
point remains though that they had the same issue. probably because they changed their mind on ysayle between arr and hw
>>719802164
Everything about that section is full retard so I don't know if I have the mental fortitude to even consider a world in which it makes any sense.

>>719801521
>"Wuk Lamat"

>>719801681
What a joke.

>>719802334
Wuk was voted most hated character by not just Western players but Chinese and Japanese as well. You personally can hate Alphinaud more but the player base as a whole has voted and Wuk made it first.

Quite impressive considering how relatively new she is.

With regard to moment to moment fumbles, I think having tempering be cured by a magical pig is still up there.

>>719802589
I would say it isn't that impressive.
If it's a long time character people sour on, that's impressive.
Wuk came out of nowhere with a shitty story, overtook everything for an entire expansion cycle and we have nothing to show for it. She's like a home invader nobody asked for or wanted, who leaves a mess in her wake. That's easy to hate.

>>719802589
I like that she managed to score lower on JP popularity polls than joke characters from the Arcadion

>>719801864
wuk's jp va was really good, it's a shame she voiced the most hated char in 14.
>>719801723
I'll never understand why they killed Papalymo off and then completely ruined Lyse.

>>719802849
Honey B and Yaana are easy to like.

Thaleia last fight as BLM is the ultimate
>everyone else is wrong except me
And I've never seen anyone put leylines down during the trident thing, but you can. I scoped it, and I did it.

>>719802726
By this same edge it's also extremely easy to write off an explosion of outrage as recency bias and kneejerking

In favor of this I point to Rise Narukami not bothering to make any further charts like this one >>719801635 for tracking character dialogue counts, they stopped after 7.1

>>719802075
Ysayle can be pardoned to an extent because patch writing never translates to expansion writing dye to different writers (this is a flaw SE will never fix). Bakool had way more potential that school bully with sob backstory.

>>719802868
>I'll never understand why they killed Papalymo off
Nobody liked him (or Minfilia), so they were easy gasp they killed off a character fodder.

>>719802868
Papalymo had no character, Lyse went from 1 dimensional bimbo to realistic version of someone wanting to make a difference but entirely divorced from reality of her homeland.

>>719802726
I dunno, for each expansion prior they seemed to write new characters quite well and the point formerly is hated characters were people who were meant to be hated for example Asahi was a hated character but he was written to be hated.
Wuk Lamat was written at least from the writers/ developers perspective as the 'most likeable' character possible but people had the opposite reaction to her.

>>719802849
Even the Arcadion they managed to mess up, they had a decent story going that felt like a breath of fresh air compared to the MSQ but then immediately ruined it with the Cruiserweight story arc which, it felt flat especially compared to the first tier. I thought Black Cat was a nice introduction and liked the idea of how she was infatuating with the Wol after he beat her, she wanted to help him more but then I didn't really see that aspect in the second part of the raid story it felt too much focused on Wicked Thunder and her boyfriend.

>>719803028
I liked both of them.

>>719803320
Hi Nobody.

>>719803028
I liked Mnfilia but I understand why the troons of FF14 hated her because she was an attractive, feminine woman, something they will never be.

>>719803248
Oh, I was just trying to say that a random character that pops up, makes everything focus around her and brings nothing good to the table is easy to hate.

>it's a "the devs had a solid system at the start but ruined it because they'd rather please everyone than stick to a vision" episode
>its on rerun for years
I think Yoshida shouldn't be directing or producing anything except remakes after XIV and XVI desu

>>719803429
>the troons of FF14 hated her because she was an attractive, feminine woman

>>719757652 (OP)
Dead troonsloppa.

>>719803547
Heavensward was not in fact a solid system
Actually almost everything from Heavensward from job design to content design has either been iterated on as to be unrecognizable or it's been completely shit-canned
Stormblood was their found stride but also their launching off point for getting too comfortable

>>719801189
Maybe. I heard a lot of people saying that ARR was bad and the only thing i didn't like about it is how fast you level.

>>719801057
Staying on the FT permanently is the smart move if you just want to fuck around in the game world and do whatever you want without feeling like you're being forced to log in because you're throwing away money if you aren't.
Every player I know who isn't a raider is constantly groaning and moaning how they only sub 1-3 months a year (and the raiders do that too once the tier's been cleared) or only log in during free login days because the content is dripfed at a glacial pace unless an event "forces" them to resub because of the FOMO reward (which always FTs have access too).
And there's a non-zero possibility that FT will get ShB at the tail end of this expansion, too.

>Replying to Alyssa Mercante the disgraced former Kotaku editor and talking about Zoe Quinn who drove a man to suicide.
Oh my fucking god just fire this danger haired cunt already. Fucking me what does it take for SE to sack up and get rid of this /pol/itics whore?

>>719803809
ARR is considered bad but it's the basis, so often times it's "just get past that"
But then StB is considered the mid-progress bad. And now DT is considered the bad at the end.

>>719802740
Trancers won

>>719803829
Maybe collect all this evidence against Kate, find people who share your opinion, and bring it directly to Square rather than bitching about it ITT and expecting others to do it for you?

>>719804014
turns out they don't listen to internet randoms begging for an employee to be fired, otherwise nomura would've been fired twenty years ago

>>719803248
The Arcadion's story was never good.
It was just more entertaining than dawntrail.

>>719803829
When will Kate stop posting publicly

>>719804064
Maybe, but it's still more effective than posting about it in 4chan threads nonstop.
As a side-note, seeing the likes of alyssa mercante and zoe quinn trying to make a group that is "explicitly against hate and harassment and educated companies and individuals on how 'hate campaigns' work and how to protect people" is the richest hypocrisy ever.

The next expansion will be focus on the WoL and the Scions, in fact I'm pretty sure in the CGI teaser they will show a (fake) death of one of them.

>>719803547
Potency doomed the system from the start
Utter nonsense, makes everything feel the same

>>719804227
I dont care about MSQ after EW, I want the game to feel better.

>>719804079
I don't disagree. The point was it was a middling story but contrasted against the shit stain of Dawntrail's MSQ it was like Tennyson in comparison/

what the fuck happened to this game lmao

dood wtf happened t othis game

>>719804518
It's been turned into Phantasy Star Online.

>>719804518
chasing wow and gacha money.
They've ruined the game listening to that audience.

>>719804518
>>719804621
>final
>look inside
>there's 16+ of them
>fantasy
>look inside
>sci-fi

>>719799074
I miss Pyro, he was my favorite XIV lolcow
He gave us so many good melties in such a short time

>>719803910
>ARR is considered bad
It wasn't on release.

>>719804518
INITIATE SOUL EXTRACTION
>>719804621
THE SOVL REBELS!

>lalafell
>Skip cutscene

>>719804683
But then it be a good game.

>>719758221
Lol at the name

>>719804832
new genesis is not a good game!

>lalafel
>move your index finger to the print screen button

>>719804014
>>719804064
Calling for someone to be fired is not hate targeting.

>>719804921
PSO2 base was...

>>719805035
my post doesn't have anything to do with justifying being an autist about square enix employees, don't @ me

This SCARES dumpy

>>719805115
>Don't @me
What?

>>719805118
>you will never have breathless, aggressive sex with a femhroth

>>719805321
Do it with wuk

>>719805360
I might actually, she's not dumber than Lyse and I can work with dumb.

postin in a dyinh cult thread

>>719805118
I installed the pedo mod just to make them slightly less disgusting

>SE employees are prohibited from posting on social media, talking about internal conversations.
>But somehow an SE employee is allowed to run her mouth on social media defaming the players and investors.
Wut

I missed this entire thread, will someone make a new one?

>>719805518
What does it do to hrothgar

>>719805436
>dyinh
>524 posts

>>719805840
most actively talked about MMO on 4chan as corroborated by 4stats and other activity trackers, even

literally every single other MMO thread on 4chan languishes every time without fail. unless it's a WoW thread specifically because it's a blizzard hate thread

>>719805980
The fastest thread on /vg/ is xivg, because the same 10 people use it as a chat room. Fast threads on an imageboard with has i.p. counters removed are meaningless.

>>719805585
Kare won

>>719804518
what do you mean what

>>719805035
>First rule of a professional working adult:
>Do not publicly engage with your critics.

Guy is dumber than a bag of doorknobs.

>>719805118
she cute

>>719804832
That shit looks so ass. Modern clothing, where's the fantasy? Even the moderately modern or futuristic setting FF games had fantasy embellishments, that picture is simply modern clothing with no fantasy elements added even remotely.

>>719806467
we already knew that desu

>>719804518
For a second there I thought the white thing was her prosthetic arm or something and was wondering why it doesn't have a hand.
Am I retarded?

>>719806637
Nah, I had that too.

>>719806467
First rule of hiring someone for your insanely popular game, don't hire a fucking lunatic schizophrenic who is one step away from going postal.

>>719806560
It's straight up korean fashion. It's fucking gay

>>719806142
not really relevant to XIV being the backdrop of their chatroom, nevermind that most every /vg/ thread is functionally a chatroom

>>719804518
this is based thoughever
it's the shit like the pvp 25 set that sucks ass

>>719806910
Noctis is jap fashion, which is also gay