Thread 719775112

Where did it all go wrong?
They used to make good games.

>>719775112 (OP)
>Where did it all go wrong?
PS3

>>719775112 (OP)
When they moved everything to Trannyfornia

>>719775112 (OP)
Not really? Almost all the PlayStation classics were 3rd party exclusives.

>>719775112 (OP)
Moving to California will do that to you.

its going just fine, marathon and Fairgame$ is next year, and GOY is coming out soon.

>>719775112 (OP)
>games
such as?

>>719775112 (OP)
PS4
Trying to muh fancy graphix maxx out killed their game development cycle harder than the previous gen, longer cycle = you want less possible risk = more generic + less games

>>719775112 (OP)

None of Sony's games were ever good. They just bundle them and pretend they sell.

>>719775112 (OP)
PS2 was the start. Releasing a 6th gen console to compete with the meteoric rise of home PCs was bad, but worse was that the success of the DVD player mislead investors into thinking that this was a good idea, causing the market to regress massively and eventually shit itself to death at the expense of both consoles and PC.
After that each console generation just declined harder as both investors and consumers moved on from the cheap DVD player and also maybe game console.
Their success and decline is largely mirrored by streaming services.
>>719775789
PS3 was already having these problems towards the end of its life cycle and the progression into the PS4 was mostly just marked by cutting more corners.

>>719775183

People keep forgetting that Playstation isn't Japanese. Its American slop like Xbox. That's why both consoles are dead and both went multi-platform.

>>719775335

Concord.

>>719775112 (OP)
7th generation, same generation the Xbox died

All they needed is continue making games people actually want. Even their old IP's still hold value but Sony refuse to do anything with them for years. It wasn't until recently that they've licensed them out which are doing well in Japan. Meanwhile Nintendo is winning without even trying much right now.

USA.
The moment they leave that shithole country everything will be super fine again.

>>719777035
>they've licensed them out
This is the future of PlayStation and Xbox, they won't have any studios and will just license out their IPs that can be turned back into AA games along with their AA IPs. They're both going to eventually stop making AAA games and games in-general while keeping the live-service/gacha train going unless something government-wise happens to those.

>>719775112 (OP)
PS2. They got cocky. Got their ass handed to them for the first half of the PS3's generation. 360 absolutely raped them. They turned it around towards the end and took that momentum into the PS4. Microsoft went full retard with the always online DRM bullshit and MUH MEDIA CENTER instead of just backing down. PS4 was back on top and Microsoft literally tied the noose around their own neck. You'd think after the PS3 fiasco SONY would learn from their ways but nope. Rinse and repeat of the same shit of being too cocky. But now on top of that, they take a decade to put out a single game.
>Infamous
>Infamous 2
>Infamous Festival of Blood
>Ico and Shadow of the Colossus Collection
>Heavenly Sword
>Killzone 2
>Killzone 3
>Resistance 2
>Resistance 3
>Restiance Fall of Man
>like 7 Ratchet and Clank games, I'm too lazy to type all that shit
>LBP
>LBP 2
>Demon's Souls
>MGS Collection
>MGS4
That's just off the top of my head, I'm sure there are more like God of War, Uncharted, and shit that I'm missing out on. I don't know what these faggots are doing now but I can't be bothered anymore after this. I don't know what planet these fucking gooks live on but nobody is paying $700-$1000 to wait for one game or sequel every 8-10 years. Just for the shit to play/look the same as the shit we played back on previous gens. I genuinely don't get why these games take a fucking decade to make when 1. they look the same 2. they run the same (meaning they aren't even 120fps, barely even 60fps), and the most egregious part is that almost all of this shit launches broken and glitchy as fuck needing multiple patches before they run decently. I just can't defend this faggotry anymore. When they were still putting out decent games sure...but now? Yeah, I'll definitely be switching to PC next gen.

>>719777241
Funny that they shut down Sony Japan studios, but now they don't have any studios to make smaller AA games besides studio Asobi which is just small staff of ex-SCEJ.

>>719777994
I forgot to add: those were all exclusives that came out on PS3. Multiple exclusives + multiple sequels, that you didn't have to wait a fucking decade for either. Modern gaming is in a pathetic fucking state.

>>719778026
If they don't kill them either, Team Asobi may end up being their only studio in the future.

>>719775112 (OP)
Closure of Japan studio

>>719778159
Good, should become their headquarter

Do any autists in this thread even own a PS5?

Or are you you just communist pc-only (bbc only) faggots?

It's so much worse than just having bad games (which every platform has but /v/irgins don't play games so sasuga)

Like Sony's insistence that you need a PS5 controller to play PS5 games, even though the PS4 controller works just fine through remote play

Or how you can't copy your PS5 savegames without backing up the whole fucking system

The only saving grace it has is outperforming PCs that have seen poorly optimized games in the last year, thanks to the industry's leaning on frame generation

>>719775112 (OP)
PS3. They lost billions and never recovered from that

>>719775112 (OP)
The PS5 generation is their most successful generation by far. Its generating more operating income than all previous gens combined.

>>719775112 (OP)
They still do.

>>719775112 (OP)
>They used to make good games.
No? Fuck off, ps1diaper furfag.

>>719780030
They include PS4-PS5 into "one" generation. Sony always does that shit, they also include portal sales and count them as PS5 so they're more than 2 million behind PS4

>>719780128
That's just the Sony bias.
I remember when that shit game tearaway or whatever it's called won awards and the best handheld games weren't even nominated

>>719777241
Nintendo licenses out all the time though. Metroid prime 4 is one you are looking forward t and recent smash games were licensed out to bamco.
Luigi's Mansion was licensed out and when it did extremely well they bought the studio.

They followed xbox digital centric model, thinking subscription is the future and releasing everything on PC will somehow benefit them. As a result there's no strong system sellers on the platform. And when you could play any game anywhere there's no point to dump a ton of money into making games that could potentially sell your system. As a result game industry suffers as a whole and we get most excited about some small indie games while big publishers (besides Nintendo) are unable to produce good games anymore.

>>719776087
going multiplat is objectively good for the consumer
exclusives are an anticompetitive practice that forces people to buy specialised garbage that's still weaker than all purpose pc hardware

>>719775112 (OP)
no infamous second son sequel

>>719780265
Junk game

>>719775167

This. Sony was doomed the instant when they allowed evil shitty Americans to touch their company. Japan good, USA bad and I'm not kidding.

>>719780241
Enjoy your no games retard.

>>719780382
but pc has all the games?

>>719780241
While that's true, the only alternative to exclusives is consoles not existing at all. If you are a console company, you MUST have exclusives.

>>719780419
Pc doesnt get gta 6 or multiplayer without hackers

>>719780424
PS5 is on track to beat the PS4 in sales most likely with GTA 6 coming out. Its barely had any exclusives. How do you react to this information?

>>719780419
And all games are trash now.

>>719780424
consoles will always exist
retards need their dumb easy boxes with big baby guis
exclusives are just the sole reason anyone with basic tech literacy and low time preference would be interested in them which is scummy as fuck

>>719780438
it'll be emulated day one, the ps5 emulator is going swimmingly
also it's a self own if you play so many antisocial matchmaker slop games that hackers are even on your mind
though i don't know why you care, the problem with hacking is that they're achieving unrealistic unearned performance and aim assist is that and everyone on console uses it

>>719780603
You really think that they wouldnt do something about your backdoor emulator? Stupid.

Apparently antisocial matchmaker slop games are what most people play.
Aim assist on console is a level playing field to mitigate controllers lack of full hand control. They dont deal with wallhacks or anything like that.

>>719780424
This isn't true at all. Has it ever crossed your mind that most of the best games ever created were released for a single system at first? What a coincidence, huh? Why is that? You people are so fucking stupid you deserve modern gacha f2p state of the industry honestly.

>>719780705
sony has lost against emulation long ago retard, they're not even going to try

>most people
so you're identifying yourself with the tasteless hordes as your reason for staying on retard boxes?
>umm giving high time preference normies easy wins is fair actually
really nigger?

>>719775183
How did western ps leadership manage to usurp the japanese

>>719777241
You mean like how Nintendo regularly does it because they have less developers than Xbox and Sony?

Their CEO is a rat accountant and the head for their game studios is some mentally retarded Dutch SJW.

>>719780241
>going multiplat is objectively good for the consumer
Nah. Games become buggier, it's a lot more work.
I'm glad Sony did it tho because it means they will lose tons of fans.

>>719775112 (OP)
Most of people here weren't even born when Sony used to make good games

>>719781436
no it's not, bugfixing and making the game multiplat takes up a tiny fraction of the game's time and budget compared to making the damn game itself
even if we assume your retarded hypothesis is correct pretending that putting in more work for a significant increase in sales more than makes up for it

>>719781645
doesn't more than make up for it is ridiculous*

I wish Sony wasn't the publisher for Stellar Blade 1 & 2.

They should only be 'making' money from their woke slop games.

only troonjeet subhuman shills like 719781818 care about this company now, that's how low they've become.

>>719780206
Don't they include the portal as PS5 hardware sales too?

>>719781645
>bugfixing and making the game multiplat takes up a tiny fraction of the game's time and budget
Nigga please. Fucking Rockstar doesn't even bother to fix their games. Most companies don't give a shit.

>for a significant increase in sales more than makes up for it
Not relevant for consumers, tard

>>719781879
Yup.

>>719781964
that's laziness, not difficulty, as evidenced by the fact that any time anyone has bugs with their mtx they get on it as fast as flies on freshly laid dogshit
bethesda has rereleased skyrim several times and at no point have they fixed anything, they're embarrassed by a bunch of mentally ill barely paid freaks at the unofficial patch

>Not relevant for consumers, tard
it's relevant for developers
exclusives only exist because of money, take the exclusivity bribe away and there's no incentive and now you're just choosing to not make more money
and yes, not having to buy specialised weak shit is in fact relevant to consumers as well
nintendo games in particular, no one even makes gpus that bad

>>719782281
So they're all lazy, call it whatever you want, it still happens. Sony's games started becoming more buggy/unpolished when they went multiplatform.

>exclusives only exist because of money
For third parties? Sure. For platform holders? It's necessary to win the console wars.
Without exclusives you end up like Xbox. Save that money and put it towards PC. That's where Playstation is headed

>>719775112 (OP)
Very specifically? When the PS3 initially failed and the US marketing team saved it. That was the downturn to Sony letting California take over.

>>719782521
>For platform holders? It's necessary to win the console wars.
do you think first party studios would voluntarily choose not to chase the bag if not for orders from above?
the reason it's still money, they just don't get to choose because they're essentially enslaved
>Save that money and put it towards PC
last home console i ever owned was a ps3
now i'm waiting for nintendo to get as worthless as sony, they're just as scummy, they just have more financially savvy methods that didn't fuck them in the ass

>>719782651
>do you think first party studios would voluntarily choose not to chase the bag if not for orders from above?
Skill issue. If you can't make an exclusive sell like crazy you just suck as a company

>now i'm waiting for nintendo to get as worthless as sony
You'll die waiting then

>>719775112 (OP)
Sony was never smart, just lucky that everyone else around them fucked up at the right time.

Nintendo pretty much enabled them to make the playstation, PS2 being a cheap DVD player was a massive boon to sales, and the Xbox absolutely killing itself for 2 generations straight with the Xbone helped them win the normie sales.

Thinking that being a cheap blueray player justified being an overpriced game console for the PS3 was their biggest failure, PSP and PSV also failed because they lacked good games to play.

There are pleanty of other dumb things as well, their online services are absolute fucking trash, and their controller design was always awkward, never moving the left control stick to the neutral position like the rest of the industry.

>>719782805
Vita failed because the proprietary memory cards were almost as expensive as the console itself.

>>719775112 (OP)
They peaked so hard with the PS2 it's unreal. The drop in quality after that has been immense. But the same is true for a lot of things in that era. For instance back then we had windows XP. And the internet as a whole was just better too.

>>719782757
>Skill issue. If you can't make an exclusive sell like crazy you just suck as a company
the point that even if a game sells like crazy on one console it would sell even more if it was multiplat
the studios and developers themselves have no vested interest in consoles themselves, only game sales

>You'll die waiting then
they're doing pretty well pissing everyone off so far actually
they could just ignore emulation but they're desperately fighting it, locking down their toys to an insane degree and drawing bad press to fight something that doesn't even impact their sales to begin with

>>719783001
>the point that even if a game sells like crazy on one console it would sell even more if it was multiplat
There's a lot of reasons why it's wiser to stick with the winner though.
For one there's stability, you don't have to worry if some games flop and so on. Get access to better engines that they wouldn't have access to otherwise.

>they could just ignore emulation
lol why?

>>719783120
nothing screams stability like being completely dependent on some corporation and their hardware sales
>better engines
nintendo makes unity tier games that could run on any $100+ gpu released in the last 10 years
they're more hamstrung with the shit hardware if anything

>lol why?
because fighting emulation makes them no money? they're not getting sales off them, they're in fact losing money jumping through hoops
the only way you're making money on someone who prefers emulation is by selling them a multiplat, they'd rather not play the games at all or buy old used shit where you don't get a penny
fighting it just generates bad press

>>719783408
>because fighting emulation makes them no money?
Dumbest take I've ever seen.

>fighting it just generates bad press
Like anyone gives a shit what manchildren like you thinks. You don't matter.

>>719783524
>Dumbest take I've ever seen.
???
can you name one avenue in how pissing off people that don't already like you by overengineering protections actually makes money?
anyone that might be swayed by you fighting emulation is buying used shit, something that you as a console manufacturer already hate

>>719775112 (OP)
>Where did it all go wrong?
The Last of Us. Ever since that game dropped, Sony has been trying to hardest to replicate its success by making all of its games resemble it while killing off any game that doesn't.

>>719775112 (OP)
I bought ps3 for Last of Us. I killed sony

>>719783585
>can you name one avenue in how pissing off people that don't already like you by overengineering protections actually makes money?
"Why create lock, please make it easy for thieves please."
Get fucked retard

>anyone that might be swayed by you fighting emulation is buying used shit, something that you as a console manufacturer already hate
Buying used is legal, if you buy the console and pay for online then you're a customer and you're not doing anything wrong.

>>719784608
>deconstructing and mocking equals disproval
they're making more than they ever did off their paying customers and spending money on fighting emulation doesn't give any returns
this position is not rational by any means, it's like obsessing about molehills so much you rip out all the grass so they don't look uglier by comparison

>Buying used is legal
it doesn't matter if it's LEGAL, it matters if it's PROFITABLE
you fucking RETARD, use your brain and tell me how that makes money
and
>pay for online
why would anyone who's keen on emulation want to play old games past their prime online? and worst case scenario you're looking at someone buying it for 5 bucks for one month and quitting

>>719785085
>and spending money on fighting emulation doesn't give any returns
Obviously false. I get you listen to jews like Linus but read the bible.

>>719785729
i just explained the mechanisms by which it doesn't
feel free to cope and explain how you make people hate you less by fighting them

>>719775112 (OP)
They still make great games, you just decided you didn't like them anymore.

>>719785907
such as...

>>719785784
"fighting them"
Nigga you're just advocating for theft and asking why it's wrong.
if you're pro theft then you're evil. Pure and simple. Sin small, you sin greatly.

>>719782915
>And the internet as a whole was just better too.
That’s because only tech literate white and Asian men were online 25 years ago.

>>719786149
theft implies they're worse off and actually losing something yet nintendo is better off than they ever were
your retarded attempts at deconstruction keep failing because you just can't grasp that games are in fact not physical objects but infinitely reproducible files
the effects of piracy are equivalent to ants and rats sneaking out food out of your food refuse, nintendo has already had eaten everything they wanted and are going to war with fucking wildlife
i don't care about your moralfagging nor does nintendo, the fact is that nintendo operates on greed as they're a company that sells itself out to shareholders, they're not being moral here, they're being wasteful and retarded

>>719778236
>French faggots are the heads
Good another Ubisoft.

>>719786446
>yet nintendo is better off than they ever were
But not because of thieves, all thieves do is try to teach normal people how to steal and then they tell them there's no consequences. Read the bible.

>the fact is that nintendo operates on greed
You can't have it both ways. After GC Nintendo always wanted the cheapest console out there but then thieves are like "but the hardware isn't powerful enough so that means I can steal everything ;)"
You guys never have any argument, no logic. All you do is steal and write endless lies how stealing is justified for XYC reasons

>>719775112 (OP)
>They used to make good games.
since fucking when?
they have always followed a 3rd party driven model

>>719775112 (OP)
California

>>719787084
i'm glad that you have abandoned any pretenses of a rational argument and are down to making moral ones which still fail because they're not updated to the 21st century
summoning actual strawmen ghosts is the cherry on the cake here
no matter how much you cope, emulation doesn't impact sales nor nintendo's financial well being, there's no material cost to it, only some profit on what's already the most profitable venture they've ever had and no one with low time preference that wants emulation will turn around and become just like any other undiscerning tendie

>>719775167
It would've been well before then because the decision to move everything to Cali was retarded in and of itself, the company was clearly already too far gone by the time they'd even considered doing it.

>>719787330
>no matter how much you cope, emulation doesn't impact sales
According to thieves theft doesn't impact the owner, more cope at 11

>>719775112 (OP)
During ps3

>>719777994
Fact they bought the SOCOM IP and just sit on it is one of their biggest crimes.

>>719775112 (OP)
>Where did it all go wrong?
They went full Ameritard

>>719787760
It's not theft if nintendo doesn't let me buy their games on PC, dumbass

>>719788103
See >>719787084
All you do is steal and write endless lies how stealing is justified for XYC reasons

>>719788103
>MOOOOOOOM TOYOTA DOESN'T LET ME USE THEIR PARTS IN MY AUDI!

>>719787760
yes, it doesn't impact people who actually make those games, they've already been paid, they don't get the excess profits so they wouldn't benefit from the 1% of the people who play their games through emulation
it impacts nintendo the greedy salesman and their shareholders
this is who you're whiteknighting for, fitting for a gachanigger
if sales really were impacted by emulation then the latter half of switch's life would be in the fucking toilet
guess what? it wasn't

>>719775112 (OP)
ps3. name 3 series from the 6th gen that didn't go to complete and utter dogshit in the 7th gen