Thread 719824737

I'm just gonna say it.

The painter family plot is boring as shit. While saving Lumiere against a mystical threat was very compelling.

>>719824737 (OP)
You're right. But hey, dont expect ppl to understand it.

>>719824737 (OP)
i thought it was the only part that made the game interesting

>>719824816
Lowering the stakes in the story climax is retarded in a way even a 70IQ tard could understand

>>719824737 (OP)
Most of the expedition dying right away was kinda gay. I wish we spent more time with these NPCs so the squad wipe could've had more weight to it

>>719824816
this image describes the entire e33 audience though

>>719825141
Every JRPG is about killing god and saving the world
The twist it's just family dram is unironically more interesting.
Kinda like a reverse Divinity Original Sin, where it's going from solving a murder mystery in a small town to "save the world and destroy the evil corruption"

>>719825284
Quite the opposite Rahsheet.

>>719824737 (OP)
Had the exactly same feeling once I learned it's a fucking family spat in 3rd act and everything else is fake.

>>719824737 (OP)
Yea I just got to act 3 and it took the wind out of my sails. Before I wanted to grind some, kill all chromatic mobs I could find and then finish the game but now im about to just head straight for the end after I complete the reacher tower.

>>719824737 (OP)
This shit game is going to lose the game of the year to silksong

Third worlders tend to hate the 3rd act because they fail to empathize with a white family grieving. Also they have a hard time grasping the concept of Art and Legacy.
Not every game needs to be made for everyone though.

>>719825595
This

>>719825434
Was everything in Act 1 and 2 fake to you? All you gained and lost from that?

>>719825595
The empathic reaction is valuing the many lives of Lumiere over some family of strangers. Actual children can understand the needs of many outweighing the needs of the few.

>>719825985
>Actual children can understand the needs of many outweighing the needs of the few.
Holy reddit commie batman

>>719826060
We don't sign our posts around here, newturd

>>719825595
its really not that deep bro, its some cripple escaping irl for some chad cock

>>719826149
It is really isn't about this at all though. Like I said it's ok, there are plenty of vidya that are designed specifically for your demographics. You should look up chinkslop and gachashit, most of your kind tend to enjoy these.

>>719825434
Dog, it's a video game. It's all exactly as fake as it was before, and that's the point.

>>719824737 (OP)
>family?! UGH just UGH like why do they have to go there
Its always the same type of people saying the same things.

>>719826410
>bro its not about the obvious thing its about THE MESSAGE MAN
aside from the obvious le painter and muh orchestral pieces what about this is art? what made you draw your conclusion about legacy aside from muh family conflict. Simply put its all very surface level stuff

>>719826128
>No you!

>No vidya discussion allowed
>Just some dedicated autist spamming low effort ragebait to see what sticks

>>719825595
This

>>719826730
It’s actually pretty simple to understand if you pay a bit of attention to the side dialogues, especially Renoir’s expedition journal addressed to Verso, where he explains that a work of art is both a mirror and a window. In other words, the artist creates something with their own vision (the mirror), but it can also be seen in many different ways by the audience (the window that opens to imagination).

Renoir says that a masterpiece is achieved when both can exist together, and he tells Verso that wearing a mask (a metaphor for wanting to please everyone at the expense of your own desires) makes that impossible. The work then becomes only a window, a pretty obvious jab at the video game industry, which often only follows audience feedback and design by comitee, and ends up shit because the artistic side gets pushed aside (that’s the “mask”).

That’s really the heart of the game’s story with the Descendre family. Each member tries to impose their “window” instead of sharing their own vision, while also trying to claim Verso’s work as their own. This goes so far that Verso himself (the child) starts doubting, questioning his own work, and even considers giving up completely because he’s tired of seeing it twisted and corrupted.

Aline and Alicia appropriate Verso’s work. Renoir tries to preserve it (though he still corrupts it himself with the Axions when he attempts to take it back). In the end, none of the choices are really correct whether you take ownership of someone else’s work, or defend it so fiercely that you end up staining it as well.

>>719826730
>>719827478
Now about the endings.
The story is written as a tragedy (five acts, counting the prologue and epilogue) and follows the same structure (Exposition - Action/Complication - Climax - Final Suspense - Resolution).
The “writers” are mentioned several times as being behind Verso’s accident. To me the “writers” are simply the people from the studio Sandfall.

In the game, Alicia clearly has a passion for writing, but she’s betrayed by “the writers”, people who share that same passion because they chose to tell her family’s story as a tragedy rather than through another literary genre, with Verso’s death as the starting point for everything.

This becomes even more evident when you see Verso burn without resisting. He stays calm, as if he knows nothing can change his fate, since he has no ownership on his own destiny.
Clea, on the other hand, tries several times to break the fourth wall, struggling in a battle that was already lost, while Renoir accepts the inevitability of it all.

So Verso’s ending isn’t really “better” either. If you abandon the characters in the painting in the name of accepting grief, because you see them as fake, then the Descendre family is just as fake.
Remains a classic tragedy dilemma: who should live, and who should die?

>>719824737 (OP)
Ive been saying this day 1 and Im glad more people are realizing it
it was the main hook for the majority of people who bought and kept the game or saw the trailer
and while being a more "simple" story the base idea is timeless
also they could have done DLCs or sequels with the other expeditions and people would eat it up but what can they do now? if they do a DLC or prequel story in the same universe people just wont care because now everyone knows its fake

>>719824737 (OP)
The painter family plot would've been fine if it didn't overtake the saving Lumiere. Saving the family should've been Renoir's motive, while saving Lumiere should've been the player's motive. Instead it just becomes
>Stop playing the sims! You're killing yourself!
>I don't wanna! Life sucks!

>>719828164
Even the characters express wonder and a desire to explore the world, all that sense of discovery and wonder goes right out the window. Shame really

>>719828443
I liked the way it played out. The characters make their decision and the player picks who to side with rather than picking for them.

>>719828164
>>719828484
It bears mentioning that the 2 writers had never worked on a story in a professional production before. I think it really shows in the 3rd act.

>>719827478
i mean yea thats the summary.

>>719829386
I like that they tried but some things just dont really work that good in a video game. Killing off a party can work but in this one it just made me annoyed and not really care about verso. Especially because you knew that dude was withholding information but other than Lune pressing him a bit they just accept it. Overall it left me with the feeling of a cheap drama show with retard plot because noone could communicate properly.

>>719824737 (OP)
Dead as shit game. This is a Silksong board now.

Help me understand

Real verso made the painting, but its just the world and people, then Aline painted in her family? She blue skidoo'd herself in so she didnt need to paint a version of herself. She made Renoir, who is protecting her despite the real renoir being against her? So fake Renoir kills expeditioners (and doesnt just go to Lumiere and kill everyone) because hes aligned with Aline wanting to protect them, and only kills expeditioners who are doomed anyway. But he never has the thought to go after the real Renoir?
Rhen, Aline paints a healthy and alive Verso. Making a Renoir who is sided with her implies painting someone can mean controlling not only appearance and health but also personality and desires. So that begs the question, why not paint Verso to be content with his painted life instead of rebeling? And why paint a version of Alicia thats still disfigured and mute?

>>719825595
every other game is about le depression and everything is a le metaphor for grief.
was a boring concept even back when silent hill did it.

its right in line with irony/quippiness vs genuine emotion. everything has to be selfreferential and ironic, nothing can be genuine. likewise, everything just had to be a postmodern metaphor for depression and nothing can just be what it is on the surface.

>>719830348
>Real verso made the painting, but its just the world and people, then Aline painted in her family?
Mostly yes. It's not 100% clear if Verso painted humans or if Aline painted the humans along with her family.
>She made Renoir, who is protecting her despite the real renoir being against her?
Yes, Aline wants to live in the canvas with her larp family while the real Renoir wants her to leave the canvas because it's killing her. Painted Renoir is essentially painted to be her simp.
>But he never has the thought to go after the real Renoir?
He probably feels he wouldn't win, but it's never explained.
>why not paint Verso to be content with his painted life instead of rebeling?
Like the real Renoir, Verso is aware Aline is slowly killing herself and rebels against her in order to protect her.
>why paint a version of Alicia thats still disfigured and mute?
She doesn't appear to be mute given that she speaks in her final cutscene with Maelle but the scars also aren't explained. If Aline hated Alicia she simply wouldn't have painted her so she could pretend Alicia died instead of Verso. If she really wanted to pretend the fire never happened than she wouldn't have painted the scars in the first place. My guess it's just for accuracy.

>>719827478
i dont know of thats definitely the message they were going for but if it is its kinda good i suppose. but then it also kinda implies a preemptive defense against criticism, saying just deal with it to anyone critical of the ITS ALL FAKE twist, and then further twisting the knife with the maelle ending existing, basically saying youre twisted and will rot if you want to live in fictional worlds like jrpgs, give up ans get on with your life. suddenly it goes from revering jrpgs to insulting them

>>719831248
>It's not 100% clear if Verso painted humans or if Aline painted the humans along with her family
I think it's implied that Aline was the one to paint all the humans. With the true inhabitants of the canvas being the Esquie and gestrals who Verso painted as kid. They remain in the painting even after Aline has been pushed out after act 2.

>>719831621
Had this in my head while playing the game and then act 2 ending happened

>>719831621
>kinda good i suppose
Holy faggot.

>>719827478
>aline and alicia appropriate his work ad their own, verso questions and doubt his own work
>renoir (who is obviously trying to erase ir all and bring aline and alicia out) is trying to preserve it
mmm i dont know about thia second half of your post. the game really does not provide enough story in any format to really lead one to such confident, convicted, concrete conclusions..this reads like the people writing essays about the writers who were just mentioned once in a throw away line

>>719824737 (OP)
I like it, it adds another layer to the usual "save the world" story
In the end they were never saving the world, just 3 people

>>719830348
If you do the full Alicia quest in the post game it's explained she paints her to be disfigured because she blames Alicia for Versos death and secretly hates her for it

Part 3 is a non-sequitur in terms of narrative. It also invalidates all your effort up to that point (30 hours or so of gameplay), really unsatisfying overall.

>>719831923
the wording i used, or the fact that this interpetation of the windows, mirror, mask statement is a decent interpretation? neither is reall faggish, but you acting like a child is

>>719831248
>Verso is aware Aline is slowly killing herself and rebels against her in order to protect her.
....but he wouldnt if he was painted not to
>my guess is for accuracy
my guess is they wanted the player to see the masked and disfigured aline to create mystery, and hide her face so she doesnt look perfectly like maelle, and this question of why she was painted with real world deformirtys was either an afterthought or ignored in favor of the benefits aforementioned provided

>>719833080
Holy shit its like you're a chimp.

>>719833080
I think he was painted to have a personality true to the real Verso, maybe a stupid move on her part.

>>719833080
Aline is not being logical when she paints

So what purpose do the axons serve and what are they?
The real answer is the devs needed some more levels bosses to pad out act 2 so they made the barrier and axons thing.
But headcanon storytellers give me your headcanon on why they exist.

I expected them to be bigger deals like the WEAPONs of FF7 but they were a meaningless wet fart

>>719833227
are you the same person in every exp33 thread who can never explain their own thoughts and can only call other people stupid? are you 7 years old?

>>719833343
like everything else, they are just metaphors that only serve to be interpreted and discussed by players to encourage engagement

>>719833343
>So what purpose do the axons serve and what are they?
A pinnacle of the painters' art, Renoir's ultimate weapons to use against Aline.

>>719833080
>....but he wouldnt if he was painted not to
Why would she paint him that way? He was painted before anyone tried to eject her from the painting

>>719833424
>in every thread
I'm not autistic enough to frequent threads enough I know other anons posting patterns.

>>719833542
>why would she paint her son to love her and want to live with her instead of painting him to rebel against her and want to eject her and end himself
same reason a mother would prefer her son to not kill her then himself?

>>719825595
Very true. It is an IQ test at the end of the day

>>719833590
so youre just very stupid and childish in a general sense, ok

>>719833343
>But headcanon storytellers give me your headcanon on why they exist.
Either to be massive chroma hogs to help limit how much chroma Aline has at her disposal or his own way of grieving by painting his own version of his family

>>719827478
The axions exist only because his wife was being retarded and still clinging to the last vestige of verso, that of the part of his soul in the painting. It was her who made lumiere and renoir is basically doing to her what she had done for him long time ago when he from what the story implied tried to do the same most likely with a loved family member

>>719833343
I just figured Renoir was bored and had fun painting them while thinking of his family.

>>719833687
there is still a debate if video games are even considered art and you want to say its an IQ test, your insane

>>719833661
...you didn't read anything, did you?
He was painted to love her, which he does. He plots to eject her from the painting because he doesn't want her to kill herself. At the time she painted him, she had no reason to believe anyone would try to force her out of the painting, hence why she painted him to love her and not to be her servant.

>>719830348
Verso made: the landmasses -lumiere and maybe the paintress area, gestrals and other non-human entities minus the nevrons
Aline: made lumiere and humans also the painted family
Renoir and Clea made: nevrons and axions to drain alines painter power stuff

Verso was right.

>>719824737 (OP)
I don't mind the family plot itself, I hate the transition. I haven't accumulated enough "baggage" to care about the plot twist. From the top of my had KotOR 1 or 2 reveals had more impact with their twists. A bad boy lady killer both falls from the sky and leads to le grand reveal in the same chapter? Miss me with such plot "twists". Him seducing Gustave and turning the game into a gay drama would be more fascinating ngl.

>>719832112
The whole of lumiere, all the humans, and the painted family was purely aline, its why she protected them from the gommage. The nevrons and axions were renoir and clea to release chroma or something to weaken her, and then there is alicia who git trapped in there as maelle

>>719834269
Instead we got gustave pining after sophie while he has a harem of chicks lusting after him, then verso appears and he gets cucked

>>719834269
I honestly felt so indifferent towards Gustave and most of the characters. I think it's because they did the bulk of their characters through telling rather than showing. Obviously we got scenes of Lune and Gustave arguing showing their humanity but thats nothing compared to the buildup we got with someone like Aerith

I just miss the April threads

>>719834445
>I think it's because they did the bulk of their characters through telling rather than showing
This the weirdest take on the game I've seen. On the contrary, this might one of the only games where "show don't tell" is used perfectly.
Most of the characters emotions in cutscenes are depicted by simple glances or gestures rather than out of place dialogues.

>>719834016
i stopped digesting journals at a certain point because even before the twist you start realizing how meaningless they all are. not remembering something minor, whereever it was written is not insult worthy when asking a valid question to something you have not provided yet. so if youee going ro insult me, ill respond that your snark is genuinely chidlish and ignorant.
and your explanation isnt sufficient anyway. when you can paint people to their level of devotion like renoir it stands to reason she could do the same with verso. the real answer is then there is no story, and minor details like this that are oss or inconvenient fall through the cracks when writing a complex story where priorities of accuracy and consistency lay elsewhere.
any further discussion with you is now just about watching how much mental gymnastics you perform to pretend the writinf is 100% waterproof and immaculate while convincing yourself youre a genius. dance monkey dance

>>719834943
i dont disagree with you but the hyperbole of calling everythinf you disagree with the dumbest thing ever is far more stupid and childish than any take you critcize

>>719835108
based ESL I agree with you but you provide easy low hanging fruit for the E33 shills to latch onto and avoid a real discussion fyi

>>719835294
I didn't say "dumbest", I said "weirdest" as in unusual.

>>719835108
>be retarded
>get called retarded
>meltie
Indian moment

www.youtube.com/watch?v=UkRsjA-aHmY
www.youtube.com/watch?v=oVqdYUlg68I

>>719834943
If it's all show instead of tell then why is there the VN tier bonding system?

>>719835483
esl who doesnt understand what real esl looks like and points finger at typos

>>719835798
>cant make a counterargument
>revert to teenager insults
clockwork

>>719835294
You're really dedicated to the pretending to be retarded thing aren't you?

>>719836029
yes yes youre an underappreciated genius and mommy and daddy just dont understand

we get it

>>719835949
>>cant make a counterargument
>any further discussion with you is now just about watching how much mental gymnastics you perform to pretend the writinf is 100% waterproof and immaculate while convincing yourself youre a genius. dance monkey dance
You just said you didn't want a discussion lol

>>719834943
Anon please be patient he's clearly autistic. He can't pick up on character traits that aren't "BIG SWORD SHWOOSH SHWOOSH WABAM"

>>719836143
i asked a genuine question civily, you proceed to hurl insults like Uh are you stupid then provide a wrong answer. so i returned the favor of insults.

if you dont like getting insulted back try to turn off your edgy 4chan brainrot next time you talk to someone and act like an adult

>>719834683
First week is always best for a game, and probably the only time to have genuine discussion here that lasts for longer than 5 posts

The Painter reveal and Dessendre family drama adds to the tragedy. Lumiere and its people could be saved but their Gods are a bunch of head cases and stubborn fools who shouldn't have the powers they have. I love the game and the story is good but yes, I think I would prefer they played it straight. Imagine if E33 failed and then we played as E32 to finish the job, succeeding off our actual gameplay and builds we did prior.

>>719836475
You asked a question. I repeated myself three times. Your inability to comprehend civilized Western languages isn't my responsibility, Indian.

>>719824737 (OP)
kinda lost interest after killing the paintress and stopped playing
doesnt help learning bossfights is just you getting oneshot over and over until you get the timings right

>didn't use Sciel all game
>try her out towards the end
>absolutely destroys everything
Why didn't anybody tell me? It took a few turns but I like how her mechanic works.

>>719824737 (OP)
Consider this:
Clea's feet

>>719835896
So you can pretend you get to fuck Lune and Sciel

>>719836157
>>719836858
Everybody here is just idiots except for us. We are enlightened by our own intelligence. This game is the pinnacle of western storytelling and should be used as a litmus test to gauge IQ. I've read all of Hemingway, Dostoyevsky, and Steinbeck and they don't hold a candle to this video game. It feels like...storytelling that is fully realized to push a humans interpretive framework to its fullest limit. More people should play this video game, it most certainly will alter their brain chemistry and result in them viewing the world through a new and improved framework. This video game may lead to advancements within science and medicine.

>Thought Lune wanted to write a song
>She actually wanted to bang
Am I autistic? Sciel was obvious but Lune came out of nowhere for me

>>719836887
Don't know about the late game but her role felt too middle grounded earlier. You either use other characters or tailor your gameplay around her, otherwise she tries to stack her cards on enemies while other characters are already destroying them. I was rotating party members all the time to even the leveling out and Sciel felt the least fun to play in a party. Tailoring her perks for solo is fun though.
>>719837234
I'd better watch Lune kicking the gloom out of Gustav further. As for Verso the buddy stuff with Esquie and Monoco was more fun.

>>719824737 (OP)
>it was aliens ending
kek. glad i didnt bother with this shit.

>>719837445
She kisses him on the cheek at the end of rank 6 so it's not completely out of nowhere but yeah I thought she was genuinely asking at first too

>>719837846
Thought the kiss on the cheek was just friendly but that might be because it's quite common where i'm from (not far from france anyway).

>>719837758
For bosses she's great. In fights with multiple enemies I did have Maelle and Verso target one and Sciel target the other though because if I played like normal and all targeted 1 enemy they'd die before Sciel could do dmg.

>>719838524
For most of the game I ran a fire party where I cleaned up groups by casting wildfire to hit them all with burn and then use sciel's skill that spread foretell stacks+damage to all burning enemies. Worked pretty well

The worst take on the story are people going "no theyre not fake, theyre real! its magic paint!"

>>719837846 (me)
Side note: I was watching a video on Lune's route and just noticed picrel for the first time.
At first I took it as a cute gesture from Maelle to her friend, now it looks like Maelle's WAY higher on paint thinner than I initially thought.

>>719824737 (OP)
filtered brown brainlet

These threads remind me 4chan is the worst place to have serious discussion on a game. There is no middleground between 4chan and Reddit, only 2 extreme groups of retards

I'm gonna say it
Verso was right and if you disagree you don't know shit about video games

>>719837445
He's got very pretty hair, plays the piano and his gf didn't die the day before, and maybe she thought she could fuck the lying ass nigga part out of him

>>719839431
Would be nice if Mr. "Hes handsome cool and troubled, just like me! literally me!" had any personality and didnt make his decision randomly at the final hour

>>719839383
Along with your friends not actually playing games you wish to discuss if gaming at all, yeah. Although /vg has more posts on topic if you manage to scrolls past ritual posting.

>sciel is ugly, no personality, uoperated on used goods
of course i chose the hot dominant asian. but then the cutscenes hard shipped verso and sciel anyway. fuck me i guess

>>719825324
>Every JRPG is about killing god and saving the world
No, it fucking isnt. Play more than Persona/SMT you fucking retard.

>>719839673
You mean cutscenes at the end? I'm not there yet but I friendzoned Sciel.
She is hot though, shame about the baggage

>>719839673
>No personally
>Has best and saddest backstory
>Even connected to big plushie guy
What

>Frodo stood at the precipice of Mt Doom, ring in hand. He knows he must, but the call of power makes him question if he should
>At that moment he wakes up in his bed. it was all a dream, a ruse, a fake. Sam, Gandalf, Bilbo, Legolas, Aragorn, etc are just the named of his pet cats and action figures. There was no ring, no adventure. He was simply depressed about his divorce and the dream was his temporary escape before he goes back to the office

>>719825985
It takes an adult to realize that the needs of real people outweigh the needs of paint (that has already been erased)

>>719839863
NTA but the only example I can think of off the top of my head is at the end of The Reacher when she puts her head on Verso's shoulder. Lune just kinda awkwardly stands there

>>719839789
Name 5 (five) jrpgs without saving the world as an objective or a consequence.

>>719839673
>sciel is ugly
she is no model but she has a unique pretty look and is very fit, carries herself well
>no personality
she is shown to be kind and caring to everyone, especially maelle
she is also very flirty and outgoing, trying to lighten the mood up and crack jokes, remember it was her who latched on to verso first
>uoperated on used goods
just 1 guy and thats her husband whom she remained faithful and loyal to for his whole life, and when she found out he can be brought back she closes the book on verso
im sorry sir but i conclude you have 100 iq

>>719840159
there multiple scenes that heavily imply it, mostly at the end yes

>>719840212
>shes kind and outgoing...and caring
riveting
>she closes the book on verso
shes still all over him in the epilogue

if my iq is 100 yours is single digit

>>719833687
Yeah it’s funny that everyone with a very high IQ who’s into lit thinks the writing is phenomenal. Yet every retard on /v/ thinks it sucks

>Luke approaches rhe throne of the emperor. Ready to do battle and finally release the galaxy from the grip of the evil Empire. He squares up to face Vader
>*Record scratch* Suddenly Luke remembers, this isnt real, hes inside a book he wrote. His father Anakin passed away to cancer and he wrote this book to cope with it. These adventures through space never occured, it was all a sham. He simply named characters after his stuffed animals. It was just a metaphor for his grief

>>719840358
>riveting
indeed so, she is quite alive and the type of person you can actually form a relationship with, unlike lune who is literally robotic and has no real personality after the prologue. matter of fact, lune isnt even dominant, verso takes the leader spot when he comes into the picture after gustave who was emotionally distraught and couldnt take the lead in the first place
>shes still all over him in the epilogue
naturally so as she did genuinely like verso but now the mindfuckery and the complex nature of what she learned got her confused, but she does make it very clear that after that final night that its over between them

I do feel a sense of remorse for a lesser mind like you but I do forgive you

>>719825324
>The twist it's just family drama is unironically more interesting.

No it's not. The reason no one lowers the stakes in the finale is because it's fucking stupid to do so. I don't care about these people.

>In his 7th and final year at Hogwarts, his adventures through the wizarding and all the people he met come to a head with the final showdown against Voldemort.
>Voldemort is defeated and..fade to white. Zoom out from the eyes of a boy. Its Harry. Hes been playing make believe with his toys to cope with the fact his parents were murdered and he has to live with his abusive aunt and uncle. There was never a magical world or Hogwarts, it was just his escapist coping mechanism. Voldemort the unidentified killer and his friends all farcical.

>The big lady is slowly killing us we have to stop her
vs
>The gods of this world are in a tragedy-fueled conflict with each other that will ultimately determine its fate

>little guy indie game shows AAA how its done
Did I read incorrectly or didnt this game have a huge amount of funding, like more than Zelda games even?

>>719824737 (OP)
The entire Lumiere plot felt somehow unique and executed well, despite the usual 'kill god' trope being done a 100 times now
A mixture of the insane whiplash from the terrible beginning E33 squad had, all the mystery around you, and the beginning of exploring a brand new continent, seeing past expeditions and so on. The game captured a sense of adventure with a mixture of great lore and amazing music genuinely well.
I dont know if act 3 was intentional though? It seems as if they finished Act 2 all done and well until they had an idea and wanted to execute it last minute? I did like the family plot, though I do think it could have been expanded on in a few ways

>>719841279
yeah i know the first is more interesting by a mile.

>>719841014
You have a low IQ and EQ

>>719841456
evenentioning EQ disqualifies you from discussion on intelligence. may as well say he has a bad horoscope

>>719841450
Admit it anon, you only think that because you like big women.

>>719841664
if i did id be disappointed. aline isnt fat

health, vitality
speed, agility
might, attack power
luck, critical rate

choose a fucking name and stick to it

>>719825595
My mom and dad are literally French (as in real French, not some African colonial spawn. My grandpa was lesser nobility and worked with de Gaulle) and I didn't give a shit about the third act. Keep coping brownoid. The game shat the bed because they had some reddit asian writing the story. It should be only french through and through. Lune should've been a FRENCH woman too, not some bossbitch self-insert.

>>719841818
speaking of lune being bossy, funny how gustave was right everytime they argued

I liked the plot, but I did come away thinking the Painters were all narcissistic assholes, and told them to go fuck themselves so my boy Gustave could live again, and Esquie could keep being based.
Don't think that's what I was meant to take away.

>>719842050
Yea, no idea if they actually go deeper into the "lore" but I have a feeling they aren't going to explain the whole power of the painters and their beef with the "writers". Might have helped if we got to see some more of their world and why they can escape to painted realms for centuries. I suspect what you're meant to take away is that escapism isn't healthy and the game absolutely hammers that point in during earlier parts of the game as well.

>>719842551
It feels like a laying of ground for what they probably intend to be their answer for the FF series.
Each game in a different world with it's own characters, with an overarching plot that gets added to a little in every game (or just gets ignored past a certain point).

>>719840521
you've got it backwards. there's a reason why every time someone says the story is phenomenal people tell them to read more books. every time

Why are prixes of pictos and weapons in shops so oddly priced? Catalysts, Lumina, and Outfits have normal prices like 1,000, 3,000 10,000 but pictos and weapons are like 64,699, 116,725, 80,040, etc

Its not like theres some discount feature at work

>>719843894
My guess is some formula with their level, same reason they do some weird shit like getting a level 19 pictos that upgrades to level 20 because of some random fight. It's nice that some early game pictos get upgraded to a significantly higher level but the random 19->20 is just weird. Maybe they intended there to be a way to upgrade those too

>>719842659
I hope the next Clair Obscur game has nothing to do with Expedition 33. No shared universe or anything.
If they did do an actual sequel or have a shared universe, I'd rather it be something like Super Mario 64 conceptually, with Hub/Town being the real world. Main character could be a museum curator or something who dives into various worlds within paintings, poems, and music, expanding the lore on the arts that hold the power of creation and go into why they are fighting eachother. It would work better than setting an entire game in one world you know isn't real again.

>>719839431
Quite the contrary, if you know about and like videogames you like escapism, so real game knowers side with Maelle.

>>719824737 (OP)
low IQ brown retards like the ending because they don't understand how self defeating it is that the game abandons it's own premise and pivots to a shitty soap opera drama.
They think soap operas are good writing and they don't understand the tropes and writing crimes this game commits.

they're the sort of retards who though FFX & FF7R was good.

>>719824737 (OP)
>The painter family plot is boring as shit. While saving Lumiere against a mystical threat was very compelling.
100% true. Subversion of expectation is bad writing and I don't knw why millennial like that shit so much. That and muh trauma
Game was still great, but story was ruined

>>719844824
Maelle is the bad and retarded ending and doesn't make any sense to pick that side

>>719844857
I mean, you can also like FFX and 7R without believing they are masterpieces of storytelling. They are still really fun

>>719845223
>They are still really fun
no they're not. they're the sort of shit you will never replay because 90% of them is just insufferably slow, valueless padding.
but the people who defend their garbage writing are the same people who defend E33 abandoning it's own premise.

>if all your party is wearing swimsuits or baguette outfita in old lumiere, renoir will too
is this true? are there other easter eggs (excluding meme references like this is fine)

>>719845814
>is this true?
Seems like it. There's a bunch of different videos documenting it. Looks like a lot of cutscenes involving the Renoirs do it
https://youtu.be/0TDt1g85uJI?si=QIjJfr92jvNJtVM1
https://youtu.be/CJu_0DmdUKw?si=8nGy41Okp97RjkNF

>>719841664
nta but this was literally me
Knowing that this was a French game, I was waiting for the moment where someone tries to stop The Paintress by flirting with her, and was sorely disappointed when it never came up. The closes I got was Monoco saying "My, what lovely feet"

>>719847663
Unfortunately Monoco is canonically not into human feet, unless that was another of Verso's lies

>>719824737 (OP)
without that twist I feel like the obvious ending would have been the erasure of the continent, which would save everyone in lumiere but kill all the gestrals, nevron, and verso in the process. the fact they did the opposite of that is what makes it surprising. I will admit it turns the high stakes on its head and becomes more of a moral dilemma but at the end of the day the right choice is obvious

>>719825985
from an artistic perspective the other family members had no right to paint over versos canvas. all the new shit they added was fan art. instead of crying held up in some one elses work they should be making their own shit.

>>719834445
gonna be honest never cared much about aerith. jrpgs can be rough with this because they often kill off characters that can be swapped out for others ie if you didnt have aerith in your party then her dying is a shock but not that bad. yuffie stealing all your materia had a much bigger impact because they're taking a lot more from you
Also I think Gustave is more like Slambert from Legend of Dragoon than aerith. a really likable bro who gets killed off and almost immediately replaced by another dude who looks similar to him and shares some gameplay attributes.