Thread 719920951

Is this really the pogo jumping that everyone is seething about?
It's not even sort of hard.

>>719920951 (OP)
You are a tranny.

What it seems like is the average person is unable to determine angles unless they are drilled into their head

>>719920951 (OP)
i just don't like the diagonal pogo
its too unreliable

Was watching this webm and then my friend messaged me complaining about the big room after this lol.

>>719921619
It's 100% consistent.

>>719920951 (OP)
The pogo'ing isn't that bad. It's the arena at the end that's too much. It's harder than the bird one and that one wasn't after a platforming section. It should have been two phases shorter.

I don't understand how youre supposed to fight certain enemies. Like the flying red ant bugs, they just keep coming at you.

>>719920951 (OP)
Normalfags can't into divekick

>>719921935
If you've got enough room you can just hit, back up a little, hit, back up a little, repeat until they're dead. Same with the ground ants.

>>719920951 (OP)
remember that /v/ is horrible at videogames
>>719922045
normalfags are doing just fine
it's you autistic fucks that have t-rex hands and can't do shit, IRL and in games too

is there a block/shield button or am I stupid. I see that you can "parry". Like is R3 just a taunt button?

>>719920951 (OP)
>dash
You did not beat the game.
But yes, you would be correct.

>>719922321
>jump
You did not beat the game.
But yes, you would be correct.

For some reason every time I press up to cast a knife my character turns around and toss it the other way I want, I hate how annoying the controls are

>>719921619
It's the same distance and angle every time

>>719922234
Your "parry" is attacking at the exact time they attack.

>>719921883
There's one that's 10 times worse in the citadel, and it's mandatory.

>>719922051
Wow, sounds fun.

>>719921883
how are people having trouble with the arena? you literally get help.

>>719920951 (OP)
I didn't even have the dash yet it was still easy

>>719922051
you can do that with every single enemy that has ever existed across all games you fucking retard

>>719923226
The dash doesn't even make it easier.
In fact, it makes it harder for the sake of going faster.

>>719923094
I didn't get any help. Did I miss talking to someone?

>>719920998
good on you for admiting that trannies are better than you

If you used the reaper crest, you beat the game because there’s probably gonna be some bullshit boss later on named True Providence that you’ll have to face anyway.

>>719923319
You can't do that against the ant warriors in the very same area.

>>719923353
the map maker lady shows up to help

>>719922174
You may be the autistic one here, ironically

>>719922234
It's a clash rather than a parry, the first game also had it.

>>719923353
Shakra appeared for me and just combo’d them all. Think she kills ants in 3 attacks while it takes you 6 or 7 with the regular nail.

>>719920951 (OP)
FunFact: Games journalists are really bad at video games.

>>719920951 (OP)
You'll have to forgive Hollow Knight fans. They haven't played any other game.
They genuinely thought Path of Pain was difficult.

>>719923489
>>719923615
What the fuck? I buy all her maps and this is how she repays me?

>>719923812
After she helped me, she set up camp at bone bottom too so I won’t ever lose her I think. I don’t know, hopefully.

>>719923768
OP here. Literally the only other game I've ever played in my life is Banjo-Kazooie on the N64.

>>719920951 (OP)
If it takes more than a half A press it's dishonest difficulty.

>>719921619
Just use the reaper crest you faggot, it makes your down attack a massive arc so its pretty damn hard to miss.

After playing Nine Sols, I am more annoyed by how contact damage fucks you over in Silksong than ever. Especially when some random enemy does two damage to you for no fucking reason

>>719920951 (OP)
What's the lore explanation for why Hornet can't pogo properly? Just seems different for the sake of being different.

>>719923914
>just cheat

>>719924010
She trained at the bee’s nest in HK. That’s why her name is Hornet.

>>719924010
That's literally how she normally attacks in base Hollow Knight.

>>719924098
How is using a crest you can find cheating, do tell me my pole smoking friend.

>>719924008
If an enemy does not have something on it that clearly looks like it will hurt you if you touch it, it shouldn't deal contact damage.

>>719924008
I have to agree.
That it is probably my only criticism of the combat.

It's not the direction of the pogo that I have an issue with.
It's the distance.
Trying to divekick enemies, but it falls just short and I end up faceplanting them.

>99% of the negative reviews are people seething at the difficulty and inability to master the controls
Silksong delivered in every way I wanted. I was afraid they would pussy out and make it too easy

didn't realize /v/ were such casual sissies that didn't know how to vidya

>>719920951 (OP)
Space jumping is cooler

>>719923848
She was already at bone bottom for me. But she also still shows up other places.
Did you go up to greymoor before then? I did and she had already left from the spot up there. I wonder if that's why she didn't show up for me.

>>719924275
Sorry anon this game is made for BASED 40 year old boomers that played NES games where every single enemy had contact damage, and a lot of the times you took just one hit and you were done. You just need to get good.

>>719920951 (OP)
how hard is it on kbm? im assuming it's way easier on controller

>>719924289
Sounds like you need to practice because the distance is the same every time.

>>719924486
Assuming you're used to playing games on kbm it's way easier. You won't get an accidental right instead of down on a keyboard unless you're retarded.

>>719924486
There's so few inputs you have to do it's honestly not that hard either way.

>>719924587
>You won't get an accidental right instead of down on a keyboard
You won't get that on a controller either.

>>719924407
This except unironically

>>719924647
Controllers with shitty dpads will give you down-right instead of right sometimes, depending on where your thumb is on the cross, which would definitely fuck you over here.

>>719920951 (OP)
>everyone is seething about
wut? Just press down at attack, how hard can it be??

>>719920951 (OP)
It literally cost the game its GOTY.

>>719924407
Absolutely true and no amount of dripping sarcasm will make it less so. Platformers should have contact damage because enemies are hazards too. Nine Sols is a great game but it was wrong for it to not have contact damage

>>719924383
No I still have to finish Hunter’s and Far Lands since I need the glider cloak and I haven’t played today. Played for a few hours yesterday.

Kind of spoiled myself by peeking at achievements, but where do I get these?
I assume this'll be like the hunter journal in HK where killing enough unlocks lore bits.
I've only been to deep docks and hunters march so far.

>>719925169
>>719924650
>they think I'm being ironic
Hollow Knight's "difficulty" is one of the reasons it's so well regarded, and it's a breath of fresh air in Silksong. I can't remember the last time I legitimately died at a boss because I had to practice and improve. All these new retro throwback games being released nowadays are terrified of challenging the player because they might get frustrated and leave a bad review. Despite how pretty the new Shinobi or Ninja Gaiden games are, they're piss easy designed to any retard can beat them. Silksong makes you earn your victories and that's what makes it so compelling.

>get all the memory slots
>10 minutes later find reaper crest

>>719925276
You get the journal in Greymoor. It's retroactive like Hollow Knight.

>>719925276
You kinda can't miss this one. Just continue playing.

>>719920951 (OP)
It's kind of annoying to get used to for a while if you are really used to one aimed straight down

>>719924008
My issue is you don’t have fucking iframes apparently on taking damage which is platforming 101

>>719925587
Reaper's crest trivialises most enemies in the game. I'm not usually the kind of anon to say this, but if you use that crest extensively during your playthrough, I'm sorry, but you didn't beat the game.

HK just feels like inferior Igavania
The bug aesthetic doesn't do it any favors either

>>719923914
they made the animations for the reaper crest way too slow for some shitty reason

>>719926358
Who cares about attack speed when your hitboxes are fucking huge

>>719925762
>people spend 500 hours replaying HK in preparation for silksong
>Hornet's moveset is different from the knight's
Based devs trolling their autistic fanbase

>>719920951 (OP)
it's not the pogoing itself, but this bouncing stuff is way too frequent in exploration

>>719926597
...people actually expected them to play the same?

>>719920951 (OP)
I started the game this afternoon and just beat the fourth chorus, when do you get the kingdom?

>enemies never stop attacking now
Thanks, Elden Ring.

>>719926358
It says its slow in the description "Attack with heavy and arching slashes"

Why don't these retards just use the crest that gives you the Hollow Knight pogo? You get it like 2 hours into the game.

>>719925962
Reaper is slow as dirt. Wanderer is the best one.

>>719920951 (OP)
This game looks so generic

>>719920951 (OP)
I don't get everyone complaining about it, even after finding 3 new crests I always keep going back to Hunter because the diagonal pogo is a lot more fun.

how do you dash midair


>>719921729
kek this
the bouncing part wasn't that bad, but LMAO GAUNTLET just after is evil

>>719928806
Reaper is just good for DPS since healing lets you basically store extra silk in the air to be collected for quick use in spells.

>>719928812
>how do you dash midair.
Find powerup. You didn't dash from very fist secong in HK either.

I use reaper for bosses and wanderer for exploring.
And instead of playing hollow knight to prepare I played la-mulana 2 so silksong feels like the controls are amazing

>>719920998
YES SIR! I WILL DELETE SILKSONG FROM MY STEAM LIBRARY, SIR! I AM NOT A TRANNY THEREFORE I WILL NOT PLAY THIS GAME, SIR! THANK YOU 4CHAN, SIR!

>>719923094
There's just way too much visual information once the dual blade guy and flying guy comes out shakra and her rings flying every where doesn't help. Its hard to follow and keep track with the enemies attacks and movements with all that visual clutter on the screen

>>719920951 (OP)
>doing that area with the dash
you didn't beat it

>>719921619
use keyboard
controller bad

>>719920998
Gottem

holy shit is there ANYTHING of value behind this fucking super meat boy section in cogworks. if it's another silk-bar-extender tier upgrader i'm not even gonna bother

I don't get why people recommend reaper as a way to pogo more efficiently. It doesn't give you any height, you literally can't bounce with it. I have to bounce on the same fruit several times to get higher.

Wanderer is the actual HK moveset. Does it give you better height than reaper?

Some of these areas feel like slop to be perfectly desu

>>719920998
fpbp

>>719929718
You get the same height from all pogos. The only difference is the animation and hitbox of the downward swing.

>>719920951 (OP)
They are literally incapable of figuring out that you need to line it up with a 45 degree angle.
As in, they actually can't grasp that concept. They haven't figured out that it's a locked angle so the way it works is that you maneuver and/or time it to hit the stab at 45 degrees.
It's actually a stupidity issue.

>>719928909
oh just got it, it lets you run fast too
but you get if after the bouncing shit lmoa

>>719920951 (OP)
This game looks like absolute ass. It literally has the quality of a fucking flash game made in 2002. Has the bar dropped so low that people get excited for this shite?

>beast crest is garbage
are you fucking kidding me

>>719920951 (OP)
Try doing that reliably after dying multiple times to a boss 10 screens away from the bench

>>719923094
because it's too much shit flying around at the same time and her rings push enemies around

>>719929405
My main issue was also visual overload, between Shakra throwing her rings and the ant warriors throwing stuff I had no shot. I was also playing very tired, after getting some sleep I cleared it. That was also the case with the Savage Beastfly, that fight sucks dick and I don't know why they introduced 2damage hits this early in. In general it feels harder than HK because enemies take a lot of hits to kill, they're aggressive, Hornet's attacks feel stubby and it's taking me a while to get used to her pogo. The Beast crest pogo is even weirder.

>>719920998
trvke

>>719921619
>>719920951 (OP)
you don't even need to worry about it being diagonal if you are close enough and directly on top of to the ball youre pogoing

>>719930217
>MUH GRAPHIX

>>719930217
name a good looking game

>>719920998
FPBP /THREAD

>>719932730
codevein

It became way easier once I realized that if you change direction in mid air while poging, you still need to do directional input for the changed direction because holding down will just default you to your initial heading. Thats probably why so many people think its inconsistent.

Then once you get the air dash and floaty cape they become real easy, haven't messed around with reaper to much on them though.

chapel of the beast boss
wat the FUCK is this shit? The adds serve NO PURPOSE besides being fucking annoying for the sake of annoying

>>719920998
OP got btfo

>>719932884
just counter the adds attack like sekiro

>>719933106
little hard when the FAT FUCK's hitbox is the entire fucking arena

>>719920951 (OP)
So what is the White Palace equivalent of Silksong? Has it been found yet?

What the fuck is this thread, are people just trolling? How are you struggling with this baby ass game?? How???

>>719933736
this. have these people even played 2d mario? this game isn't much more challenging.

>>719933656
cogworks platforming challenge is path of pain tier, frankly

This is the easiest game I have ever played. How are you people even struggling?

>>719933656
mount fey

>>719924008
>All this absolute seething over contact damage in every thread, on every platform, in every corner of the internet all at once.
Never seen such a whiny bunch of pissbabbies. Contact damage has been a staple of video games since the very beginning. Why are zoomers suddenly crying about it?

>>719920951 (OP)
Yes, because many people (myself included) made the mistake of assuming it made sense to hit from a high diagonal position. Once you realise that isn't true it becomes much easier.

>>719932884
>>719933106
SUCK MY DICK CHERRY I FUCKING GOT UM.

>>719933879
It's insultingly easy. not surprised /v/ are struggling, they don't play games.

>>719933879
what are the harder games you played?

>>719934372
Super Mario Wonder

faggot fucking janitor deleting all the fun threads

>>719934179
Simply because it's annoying

>>719920998
This so much this.

>>719934435
Have you tried... not making contact with the enemy?

>>719924407
40 yr old boomer here, can confirm, game is good

>>719934550
The game expects you to be dashing in every direction and dodging actual attacks, so sometimes, you forget that an enemy can fuck you over and steal all your shit just by touching you

>>719934752
Sounds like a brain problem.

>>719934752
>sometimes I forget the very logic of the game I'm playing because I'm too busy panicking like a whiny baby
>this is somehow the evil devs' fault and they should patch the game to better suit MY tastes
Literally just git gud, son. Play the game as it is, not what you wish it would be.

>>719920951 (OP)
If this is hard for them, they should never touch Pseudoregalia.

>>719935102
>Pseudoregalia
This game looks like it was made in 1996

>>719935203
it was meant to, but got cancelled. someone found the sourcecode on ebay and ported it to godot engine

>>719920998
>release the files
You are a tranny
>stop the genocide
Tranny
>the game is good
Tranoid

>>719920998
fpbp

>>719934179
Because there are a few noticeably bad implementations of it here. A lot of it comes down to Hornet being more mobile than the Knight, enemies also being more mobile to compensate, and her still having stubby range compared to her enemies.
The flying ant spear soldier illustrates it pretty well. He moves quick enough that you usually can't just walk up to him. You've got to dash or dive at him a lot of the time if you want to actually hit him before he floats away. But those are both committed fixed distance movements. Meanwhile he just floats around pretty arbitrarily. So you have this annoyingly tight spacing game where you have to get close enough to actually hit him but not so close you bump into him, all while not knowing if he's going to float towards or away from you.
Another less overt example is a how a lot of flying enemies will hover over you just out of range from grounded attacks. So you have to bunny hop up to hit them. Except they'll sometimes dip into you when you do that.
And then, like that anon said, whenever these sorts of situations are compounded with two mask damage, they become more noticeable and irritating.

>crests

fucking micro managing bullshit just give me linear upgrades not this fucking "choose one or the other" fag shit

>>719920951 (OP)
those people go in the area before getting the dash, you're garbage

>>719935590
and this is fucking gay in every single videogame that does it

>>719935613
The dash doesn't change anything about the pogo skill.

>>719935478
>You've got to dash or dive at him a lot of the time if you want to actually hit him
throw something at him

>>719920998
And you're spending your time scrolling 4chan acting like you're better. I'm sure your parents are real proud of you Anon (!)

>>719920951 (OP)
are you supposed to do that with the other crests as well? The one where she spins like a buzzsaw doesn't seem to hit well

>>719924225
THIS
But what really infuriates me is bosses being stunned but still dealing contact damage

>>719920951 (OP)
>it's a reskin of HK with one (1) new move
lmao. just lmao.

>>719935953
I don't think you understand the implication of this image.

>>719935953
>sequel of an indie game
>its a reskin

nigga

>touch anon's stinky body
>die
I don't know, seems realistic to me

>>719935953
W self own

I do not care for savage beastfly.

>>719920998
This.

>>719934391
you have played two games in your entire life?

>>719936560
I never finished Super Mario Wonder.

>>719920951 (OP)
desu Ori looks far more enjoyable than this colorless slop

>>719936732
your loss I guess, I finished it and it was pretty fun

>>719936759
I just modded my Switch 1.
This worth downloading?

>>719920951 (OP)
You just know team cherry put this at the beginning because it's literally a tutorial introducing the new mechanic, and right now they are probably baffled and a little bit disheartened that players are struggling

When I first played Hollow Knight it was years after the game came out, so there were tons of guides.

Playing Silk Song totally blind and just exploring, getting lost, and seeing the game's world is a lot of fun.

There was a bird boss in the western part of greymoor. I ran away from it and was going to come back and fight it later. But then I traveled with the fleas and they set up camp where it was. Did the boss move somewhere else or do I not get to fight it now?

>>719936759
What causes people to be this bitter about things? It really makes no sense to me.

>>719920998
FPBP
TRVTH NVKE
OP BTFO
/thread

>>719936759
silksong is more of a 'destroyed beauty' kind of vibe

>>719920951 (OP)
>Not that hard
Fuck you nigger, this shit was abysmal to do.

Any tips for the last judge?
Feels like I need to be close to not get hit by the overhead throw and reel in but if I'm close I get hit by the melee whirly thing.

>>719941569
Fire resistant charm you can buy in the lava area, you will only take 1 damage from fire attacks in phase 2.

>oh that's a cool side area
>damn it's a bit long
>like really long
>oh you even get a boss
>suddenly kicked into Act 2
huh
wuh?

>>719932856
It literally is inconsistent. What you described figuring out what you need to do only applies 1/3 of the time. 1 of the rng bounces allows you to turn around. Should have been how all of them work, because holding the direction is what is causing issues for most people and it just feels like shit

>>719920951 (OP)
>>719926495
I've been sticking to reaper most of the game at this point. Nothing beats having big thwacks. The speed just means that I have to learn timing better.

>>719941892
Same exact situation. I was just purposefully going on a side path since I knew the path to the front door, and despite everything being bulky as shit and hitting like trucks I thought "nah, I can keep going here" until I got to Phantom and saw the lore bit showing she and Lace are clearly sisters to whatever Weaver god is doing all this. At that point I knew for sure this was some special boss, but she seemed really doable so I just knuckled down and got gud with her and suddenly found myself in the backdoor of the citadel.
Love that it's got a clearly different cutscene for entering that way. The same one as the front door, just minus the bit of Hornet standing there as the door opens, and obviously ending with her standing in the yard looking up.

>>719941892
>>719942827
Wait what?
You mean the Last Judge isn't the only way to get to Act 2? What the fuck?

>Poison Tacks
>Any grounded boss becomes an absolute joke.
What the fuck, these things are cracked.

>>719930217
show a single flash game from 2002 that looks as good as hollow knight.

>>719942310
nta but I've actually, no sarcasm what-so-ever, had zero issues with the diagonal pogo, the only times I've missed one was 100% my fault for a miss-timing, not an input error
you're just bad, keep playing and you'll get better
I believe in you, anon

>>719942827
Reaper is so much easier to pogo with it feels like cheating.

>>719920951 (OP)
before dash? where is this area?

>>719943080
Hey retard, where did I say I had trouble with it? I just said the input feels shit because they made it a 2/3’s rng chance to lock you into facing a direction, cause they’re incompetent, I suppose

>>719943191
Hunter's march. It's to the right of the big red fellow on the eastern side of the marrow.

>>719943226
skill issue I guess, sorry

Who is collecting all these rosaries for benches and tram stations? And when do I get to kill him?

>>719943283
Sorry you’re too retarded to observe mechanics, but I’m confident you keep fucking it up your timing like the skillless shit you are

>>719943427
>blames the game for his own failures
lol
get a grip, anon

>>719943768
>failures
What failures, illiterate? Explaining how the game has some slop design doesn’t mean I don’t know how to eat it. But I’m not retarded enough to do it with a smile and say it tastes great

>>719943936
I guess I got a copy of the game without the issue you're having
This mentality is something you need to grow out of, anon, its embarassing
:^)

>>719922369
You can get to that area without the dash.

>>719943427
He responded with vegeta so you lost

>>719921619
It was really bad hitbox compared to pogo in HK
that combined with diagonals being novel and spike floor everywhere make for an awful time.

>>719920951 (OP)
Most of /v/'s worse than journos at video games.

>>719944721
Yeah I played Mario Kart with /v/ and that’s true.

When are you supposed to get the wall jump? I feel like I'm supposed to have it by now. It's not behind one of the key doors, is it?

>>719945380
Did you get the hover yet? If so then you're probably an hour or two away from wall jump if you're lucky. I'll just say that it's left of the bell town.

>>719945468
I've been to shellwood. I guess I'll go back and look again.

>>719920998
lol