Thread 719922856

https://www.gamedeveloper.com/business/2k-confirms-layoffs-at-civilization-developer-firaxis

What went wrong?

Lol lmao

>>719922856 (OP)
They're not getting laid off, theyre turning into another company as they've reached a new age

What didn't go wrong would be easier to answer

Get woke...

>>719922856 (OP)
Civ 7 just looks bad. I took it off my wishlist after it came out and don't really have any interest in checking it out later in a sale even.

>>719922856 (OP)
Remember when fans said that everything is fine and when civ 6 came out everyone hated it but now everyone plays it and that same thing will happen to civ 7
Literally Star Wars sequel tier cope

>>719923206
yes but only because civ 5 sucked is why people all moved into civ 6

>>719922856 (OP)
so no xcom 3?

>>719922856 (OP)
>What went wrong?
chuds killed the entire modern audience like the economic terrorists they are

>>719923305
>citation needed

It'll never stop being funny that the shills dropped the 'Erhm, if you don't like the civ-switching and ages, you can just keep playing the old ones.' clapback once they figured out that this was what's happening.

>>719922956
jej

>>719922856 (OP)
shit game on top of all the DEI shit
it was never gonna succeed

they could have picked one or the other but they did both and it was doomed

We had a good thing, you stupid son of a bitch! We had Ancient Era America, we had Aztec GDRs, We had everything we needed, and it all ran like clockwork. You could've shut your mouth, made Civ 5.2 and made as much DLC money as you ever needed. It was perfect. But, no, you just had to blow it up. You and your ages and your civ-switching! You just had to be Humankind 2. If you'd done your job, known your place, you and your workers would be all fine right now.

>>719922856 (OP)
More like Firedaxis

I did nothing, and I won

>>719923410
civ v runs like shit and constantly crashes
i like the gameplay albeit

The exact moment this game was doomed to be a flop.

>>719922856 (OP)
>that will sell my game
there's no way they aren't aware 99% of their playerbase was autistic white men

>>719922856 (OP)
I did nothing

>Heyyyyy spud-ACK!
It's so funny to me that the Civ youtuber community all decided to shill this game, got paid flights and marketing parties with Firaxis, pretended it was good post launch and only admitted it isn't actually good months later. The breadtube tier commie Boethius or whatever his name is did the same thing as PotatoMcWhiskey but with less suicidal melodrama.

Serious question, how terrible do you think the morale at the Civ 7 team is? They can't talk about their game online except on the designated safe space (discord) because everywhere else (reddit, youtube) is full of people shitting on the game and calling it on it's failure. They let go of veteran devs that were in Firaxis for well over a decade like they were Indian contracted workers, everything they do next will be laughed and mocked by the 'haters' as long they don't fix the terrible civ-switching, which 2K sure as hell isn't giving them the time or money to do it.

I don't care about Civilization, what does this mean for Xcom?

>>719922856 (OP)
>What went wrong?
I didn't boughtedyed and I commited an economic terrorism.

>>719922856 (OP)
This same thing is going to happen to KCD devs
KCD2 is the Civ6 that sold well only because of goodwill from KCD1 (Civ5). KCD3 if they even attempt it will bomb like Civ7
Screencap this mfers

>>719927348
>veteran devs that were in Firaxis for well over a decade like they were Indian contracted workers
That means those people only ever worked on Civ VI.
The way established devs like Firaxis only release a single game every 10 years and then milk it with DLC's is probably why this happened. These "veteran" devs had no experience actually making a good game.

Personally I knew the game would flop when they started announcing obscure female leaders just for the sake of it. I hate the whole chud culture of this board but "wokewashing" is very much a thing where devs know they have a garbage game and try to pivot to pandering to a new audience instead, because they're aware the existing audience won't like it. It's a surefire sign that the devs aren't confident in a game's success when they have to rely on new audiences buying it.

>>719926082
Does Civ 7 not even have some ability to just play normal? Seems like outside of choosing some bad civ leaders, they could have just made this its own special game mode and kept the regular game mode. I'm sure there are probably other issues with Civ 7, but from an optics perspective bad civ leaders and that new civ progression are really what hurts it.

What the fuck is a Buganda?

>>719922856 (OP)
They MUST have gotten the message that nobody wants to see blacks and especially not black women in ANY context, so why do they persist only to seal their own death warrants?

Even the dumbest animals have a sense of self preservation. Why don't video game devs?

>>719928364
Civ has had blacks since the literal first game you fucking zoomer

>>719928364
The (decision makers) do not care if it makes money or not
The goal is to push propaganda

>>719928629
And now people have grown sick and tired of the constant overexposure, faggot retard. It's really amazing how fucking dumb your kind is to not understand such an incredibly simple concept.

>>719923346
I'm afraid it has been... 9 years

>>719922856 (OP)
shitty game all around. literally everything about it.

>>719922856 (OP)
The idea of switching Civs couldn't be more unappealing to me. Even if it added depth and improved gameplay, I still wouldn't like it. I want to be the Civ that I chose.

>>719923572
Holy shit those numbers are grim. Imagine tanking the biggest 4X franchise because you had to take it in a bold new direction. Meanwhile anyone with a brain could see how terrible the changes were. Not even expansions can save it at this point.

>Neither 6 or 7 have a civ as unique as Doge.

This SUCKS

>>719922856 (OP)
Who's that historical figure?

>>719922856 (OP)
>civ7

>>719923206
5 was modern audience's first Civilization, that's why.

>>719922856 (OP)
[SAD NEWS] WHITE MALE CHUD GAMERS KILLED FIRAXIS STUDIOS

>>719928629
Martin Luther King Jr looks like THAT!?

>>719922856 (OP)
let them burn, sell the franchise to a new company that isn't woke and retarded

>>719923206
Uh no, 6 sold well on release and followed the normal dip into rise as the two DLC were released. 7 does not follow this pattern whatsoever. because it's dogshit made for non civ players.

BUGANDA~

>>719936825
genghis khan if he powerful woman of colour.

>>719922856 (OP)
deserved, stop trying to wank off civilizations that never made it and are jokes.

>>719922856 (OP)
Civ 7 was fucking garbage, that's what went wrong.

>>719922856 (OP)
Seeing black in armor is jewish pissing on your history, no matter where you are from now they also target asian's.

>>719923572
I knew the current numbers were bad but the peak not even beating five is so fucking funny
what were they thinking????

>>719922956
>>719926082

Clearly the civ evolution tree has them turning into an unemployment office.

>Unlocked by civ choice: dumb and woke.

>Unlocked by resources: Full spectrum incompetence.

>>719927348
There's SO much broken on the the game that they're really better off just going to a new version.

>>719927734
Eh, they still have a few DLCs to fix things. Lets see if they pull it off.

>>719939870
trvke

>>719928629
...and yet that wasn't enough. They insisted that egypt players switch to goddam Idi Amin.

>>719928224
A small subsection of Uganda.

>new game drops identity of civ
>trailer is a black woman in mongolia right when donald trump was just starting in america
I think both of them combined did it. If the gameplay didn't put you off, there's a good chance the trailer did.
And given how trump was able to sweep in america, the audience they thought was out there didn't really exist.

>>719922856 (OP)
Pretty sure every "woke" 4X has been a massive failure. The average person playing these games has /pol/ open on the other screen. Based chuds, imo.

>>719922856 (OP)
SHIiiiieeeeett nigguh we wuz hunz
our ancestors wuz ridin in dem steppes n shit

>>719940448
>Pretty sure every "woke" 4X has been a massive failure
CIV 6 was a massive success on consoles

>>719923346
>Xcom 3 in 2026+
>featuring "mostly peaceful" alien refugees
>many aliens are members of Xcom
>main threat is a faction of fascist stormtroopers that want to exterminate the xeno
>the few aliens you do fight are hidden remnants and outlaw criminals
yeah no thanks

>>719941179
>we lived long enough to see Xcom become an alien defense force defending them from vile humans
just let the series rest another 20 years maybe we'll hit the right time for a revival then

>>719926082
just turn into their own rip-off, Humankind.
Why?

>>719941470
apparently the civ dev team's only source of ideas lately has been amplitude's games which is why they copied building districts from endless legend for 6

>>719939870
this but also any women in military is a humiliation ritual

>>719942605
someone tell them to stop stealing bad ideas from an inferior studio

>>719922856 (OP)
Two thousand layoffs? Do they even have that much staff?

>copy game that flopped
>your game flops too

>>719942848
they grew fat and lazy off 6's success.

>>719942738
before humankind and the tail end of endless space 2 being outsourced shit I would have said amplitude were definitely the superior studio
I might still say that now in fact, they're at least trying new things mechanically even if it is paired with ugly niggers
that nigger part was apparently because of SEGAs influence and if that's true there might be less niggers going forward

>>719922856 (OP)
I wish white men and white boys were allowed to have even a sinlge hobby or franchise for them
Blacks and Women are allowed to have as many hobbies and franchises just for them but everything that used to be for white men and white boys has to be for "everyone" which always means "lets replace all the white men with all powerful women and black people and lets make every white guy who manages to stay around a loser or manchild comic relief or a evil and pathetic bad guy"

>>719923206
Except when 6 came out it was 50/50, people either loved it or hated it.

I genuinely haven't seen a single person say they like CIV7, it is actually quite an achievement to fuck up as much as they did.

>>719922956
lel

>>719922856 (OP)
where is he now?
last i heard he threatened to kill himself and people showered him with money

>>719922856 (OP)
MOAR
WE NEED MOAR LAYOFFS
THIS IS STILL NOT ENOUGH

BUGANDA
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>>719922856 (OP)
>"I was affected by the layoffs at Firaxis, and am open to full time writing work at your studio," said Kidwell. "I'm an incredibly adaptable writer who wrote on Civilization VII and Marvel's Midnight Suns during my (nearly) 5 years at the studio, and I encourage you to keep an eye out for my former colleagues who were also laid off."

>>719928629
Black people as historic figures aren't woke. Woman warriors set as "leaders" is top cringe. No man would follow a woman up until the era of Margaret Thatcher

>>719941470
It's kinda funny because Humankind was a fucking flop that everybody instantly forgot about and yet they were still like "let's copy that idea"

All those layoffs mean that Firaxis might break the glass of
>in case of emergency
Xcom 3
On the other hand if Civ 7 is anything to go by then it will be worse than xcom 2

>>719944312

>Woman warriors set as "leaders" is top cringe. No man would follow a woman up until the era of Margaret Thatcher

0/10 bait

>>719944669
imagine Xcom with the quality of their current animation team, the ones responsible for CIV 7 leader screens

>>719944790
No I prefer not to imagine that.

>>719944790
Funnily enough I think a lot of the layoffs were animators, from a post in the last thread showing them looking for new jobs.

I don't know a thing about Californian employment law (though I imagine it's shit), if 2k can immediately just replace them or not (in some countries the role is made redundant, not the person).
So things could either improve (new animators) or get worse (no animators)

>>719945336
I'm sure they will outsource it to only the most competent indians now

>>719941470
Maybe they got scared thinking it'll be a better game

>>719944774
Name me any warrior woman in history? No Queen counts

>>719928106
Nope, no normal/classic mode. They're probably desperately hacking one together right now

>>719946452
Joan of Arc

>>719946682
a based woman and a based fr'nchie she really was a miracle

>>719923206
I started with civ 4, and played and enjoyed 5 (mostly after the DLC's, but I did still like the base game)

I couldn't stomach 6 at all, like even after the DLC's I think it's gotten too overbloated and I hate how cartoony the art style got
Also have no interest in 7

>>719922856 (OP)
chimera squad
civ7

>>719927976
>Personally I knew the game would flop when they started announcing obscure female leaders just for the sake of it. I hate the whole chud culture of this board but "wokewashing" is very much a thing where devs know they have a garbage game and try to pivot to pandering to a new audience instead, because they're aware the existing audience won't like it. It's a surefire sign that the devs aren't confident in a game's success when they have to rely on new audiences buying it.
Thank you for posting the most reasonable comment I've read on this shithole today

too much woke = bad
too much anti-woke = just as fucking bad

>>719941179
They already introduced the concept in chimera squad so you may be onto something.

>>719922856 (OP)
>denuvo
Those faggots refused my offer to shill their crappy game for free
plap plap plap go bankrupt

>>719947431
God I'm glad I never bothered with XCom 2.

>>719943148
>that nigger part was apparently because of SEGAs influence
That's pure cope.
The truth is because they are french leftists and they love blackies.
This is even more true since the last US election because leftists there feel they need to keep fighting from where Biden/Kamala left.

>>719947513
In XCOM2 you kept xeno heads as trophies
The change was so jarring it made Bradford look like a war veteran on a libshit grandchildren dinner

The best part is everybody was screaming this change was a retard idea from the start and they kept it anyway.
Maybe it was just too expensive to backpedal?

>>719950117
It was just petty behavior. Bending the knee would mean total chud victory

>>719950117
When the game mechanics are revealed publicly the game is already like 90% and rebuilding the system would be a full reset on the project
The thing was fucked from the moment they committed to the idea, any fan feedback would be way too late

>>719947341
>virus = bad
>immunological response = also bad
You don't get to "both sides bad" this
People being retarded on internet is not an excuse

I've enjoyed a little over 300 hours of VII and I'm still not sure why people are so discontent
The biggest flaws for me are the poor implementation of the Distant Lands and Modern Age being a bit of a slog

>>719944129
Imagine wanting to hire a writer and you see marvel fucking midnight suns on their resume

>>719950117
Wokeism was never organic
You have to spout correct religious ideas to get hired and to keep getting hired
Killing a studio matters little

>>719923572
now V babs know how IV boomers felt like

>>719950278
she cute

>>719941470
>rip off endless legend for 6
>rip off humanking for 7
why is firaxis retarded?

>>719950278
This was the only waifu in the whole game.

>>719950258
you don't understand because based on your analogy, you think that one of the sides is correct

the be more accurate
>dying of thirst = bad
>dying from overhydration drowning your body = also bad
this is the way I see it, there has to be a balance, there is no side that is objectively ALWAYS correct, that is literally the point of democracy as defined by it's creators: that all sides must be considered and represented and that a middle ground must be found, because even the biggest asshole I've ever met has been right about one or two things, and even the nicest people I've met have held one or 2 completely insane opinions on some topics, but both sides would always have a point SOMETIMES, and to discount any opinion anyone says because they are "on the other side" and not even thinking about what they are saying is just willful ignorance, it's choosing to believe your own truth rather than accepting the possibility that you may be wrong about something, it reeks of arrogance that I feel is far too prevalent in the modern world.

I'm just going to play civ 4

Have they fired this board game loving fag yet?

>>719922856 (OP)
>what if we took a gameplay mechanic from a shitty civ clone that no one liked and put it into civilization
Whoever came up with that idea single-handedly killed Civ 7. If they wanted to do something different they could have taken ideas from successful 4x and grand strategy games, some of them have been consistently beating Civ for years, but I guess they were so desperate to make the game about "diverse" leaders they intentionally made it worse to make it possible.

>7 Civ games
>3 Pirates games
FUCK YOU, SID MEIER, GIVE US ANOTHER GODDAMN PIRATES GAME YOU FUCK, SEA OF THIEVES IS THE CALL OF DUTY OF PIRATE GAMES AND IT IS A BLIGHT ON HUMANKIND

>Kill x-com
>Kill civ
>WHAT HAPPENED HOW COME NOBODY IS BUYING OUR GAMES ANYMORE
Gee I fucking wonder

>>719953696
b-b-bbut we gave you marvel slop and purple zoomer punk xcom

>>719941470
>players barely ever finish games, they enjoy the early game much more!
Their solution
>give every game three early games lmao
Instead of, you know, making the end game shit less tedious

>>719928224
It's a small part of modern Uganda
Yes, oogaboogaland was deemed to be worthy of a base game "civilization"

>>719950117
On the civ Reddit everyone who pointed out how stupid civ-switching in the pre-release is was told to shut up and stop being a hater, that the game isn't out yet, you dont know how It plays, if you don't like It just keep playing the older games.

>>719954163
>if you don't like It just keep playing the older games.
Ok I can play CIV 5 for another 10 years no problem

>>719954163
Ah the classic, bash your own fanbase tactic. Clearly these bozos will never learn that it doesn't work

>>719954357
I mean, it worked for Microsoft, Xbox is the biggest console brand in the entire world, everyone has one. No way in hell could something like that backfire. And it's not like everyone was there to witness it or anything.

>>719950278
German WHORE

>>719927976
>I hate the whole chud culture of this board but
Fuck off back to eddit then darkie.

>>719947341
Fuck off back to the banned word website faggot

>>719954743
>Xbox is the biggest console brand in the entire world, everyone has one
That's only true in the US.

>>719923572
VIIbros this can't be happening, why didn't Tubwoman saved us

Civ 4 leader screen.

>>719959070
Civ 5

>>719959195
And finally, here we have civ 7

>>719959280
Looks ok. The only really bad one is 6.

>>719959280
disgusting

>>719959141
character screens peaked at 5. ever since they've been trying to find ways to cut corners.

>>719959141
Imagine if the leader screens became more elaborate instead. there will never be a leader screen where Caesar is surrounded by 3D-moddeled senators jeering in the forum, Elisabeth is being attended by their courtiers on a grand palace and Genghis Khan is meeting you on a razed city.

>>719960932
I'm afraid they didn't have that class at jeet school of 3d animation

>>719922856 (OP)
go woke go broke

>>719927434
After the failure of Chimera Squad and Midnight Suns, I don't think Firaxis will be returning to that type of game in a while. All of the relevant nuXcom people have left the company anyway.

>>719922856 (OP)
can't believe no one wants to play as harriet tubman

>>719950278
For me, it's Civilization Revolution Catherine the Great

>gaming is for women and the LGBT community
>"okay"
>wait, where are you going?? They have no money unlike you!
Whatever happened to creating a product for your customers and not exclusively hiring saboteurs?

>>719959280
>we have to see every pore, wrinkle and vein!
Shame they chose realism at the same time as every rendering engine decided hair needs to look like shit.
Dunno what's going on with that sword to make it look bad.
Any reason why the elegant, godly appearance of the leaders has to be replaced with looking ugly when going to war?
>>719960773
I recall the corner cutting started with 5's DLCs. Some of them are so shoddy it's like they kicked the artist out halfway through the day, or at least I hope the artist wasn't the one at fault for how bad it looked.

>>719962018
When the CEO gets a fat paycheck from Blackrock or other regressive investors to destroy their companies. It is basic human greed.

>>719922856 (OP)
I will never love anything as much as western devs love fugly black women. This makes me sad.

>>719938787
>but I had breakfast
It still happened, you fool.

>>719926082
The one where an actual country turns into a part of Uganda was even funnier.

>>719928224
They built a very big straw hut that is 90% pillars, because otherwise it would fall over.

>>719922856 (OP)
Weren't employee numbers generally inflated during and after COVID and now lay offs happen due sustainability? Seems a bit lazy to just blame it on features you didn't like.

>>719959280
Otherwise, you wouldn't get to see Harret Tubwoman while playing her as your leader for Rome.

>>719962772
Homes, go hit a nightclub and start loving actual bitches. Hell, I'll throw you a tip. When a bitch starts talking, repeat the most important element in the form of a question. It's the Solid Snake method
>Oh I work in IT
>In IT?
Appearance means jackshit, just be confident. A loser weirdo dies alone, a confident weirdo gets the hot girl failure. Do hide your power level tho.
Now go get 'em tiger. Take a shower, wash the cock-cheese, get some perfume and be strong

>>719959070
SOVL
>>719959141
PEAK
>>719959195
bad (fake soul)
>>719959280
ewww

>>719950278
Reminder she was an unironic nymphomaniac and her sex dungeon included special equipment that allowed her to be fucked by a horse.

>>719962018
>Whatever happened to creating a product for your customers
That's outdated we don't do that anymore
The investors are king and they demand woke diversity slop

>>719927434
Never fucking ever at this rate unless 2k sells the IP to someone who cares and isn't fucking incompetent.

>>719941179
>>719947431
>>719941179
Blame that on the endless tides of people who want to fuck the Vipers.

>>719963192
>I
Meaning I, not somebody else, I
>will never love anything as much as western devs love fugly black women.
Meaning will never love anything as much as western devs love fugly black women.
I don't appreciate some gay regurgitated advice from some retard who can't even read.

>>719946682
People weren't really following Joan she was just a standard bearer and something to focus on in a war that had gone on for way too long

>>719923206
>that same thing will happen to civ 7
somehow I doubt it, see >>719923572

>>719963336
Wanting to fuck the vipers and kill all xenos are not mutually exclusive

I love how despite how woke VII is, there is also the fact that native american civs have to adopt an European identity in the modern age. Why couldn't they have the Comanches or the Sioux in the modern age instead of forcing the Shawnee to become the USA?