Thread 719964715

How would (You) go about designing the next Smash Bros game if you were in charge? Would you make it Ultimate Deluxe? Or would you try something new?

Create a back and forward special for every character. Also completely rework most of the cast and cut down the base roster to ~50 characters.

>>719964715 (OP)
this made sense to someone

>>719964715 (OP)
pokemon in smash is boring, its mostly humanoid and/or starter pokemon, just like FE is blue hair and/or sword fighter.
give me more out there picks for Pokemon.

>>719965202
It makes sense to me.

>>719965356
That's because the "humanoid" Pokemon are the most popular.

ultimate deluxe, but I would
>include every single stage ever made
>remove every remix of a song for any series and replace them with original songs from that series
>also double the number of songs
>make it so that if you play steve with the enderman skin, he doesnt walk out of the two block door in the victory sequence
thats pretty much it

>cut down on projectile spam or just make most of them cause no hitstun/knockback
>actually good netcode (LMAO like that will ever happen)
>actual matchmaking for online
>cut down on the fire emblem characters
>merge all echo fighters into their base characters as alt costumes
>including isabelle, no reason to make her have her own character slot when she plays 90% similar to villager
>fully de-clone Ganondorf, give him an actual unique moveset
>re-add endlag to powerful attacks, feels like almost nothing is punishable anymore; even shit like link up-b or pika down-b have like 5 frames of end lag, it's fucking dumb
>bring back Adventure Mode from melee but bigger and better
among other things

>>719965879
>Removing remixes
I know some of them, especially the Splatoon ones, are ass, but remixes are part of Smash's identity.

>>719965991
not on my watch. the remixes suck. to think you could surpass or even honor the skill of the old masters with your own soulless mix is arrogant.

>>719965829
and the blue haired lord from fire emblem are most popular too, but when you take them from each individual game you just basically get really samey characters
also
>chandelure number 1 in unova
exactly, put him in!

>>719964715 (OP)
Here's who I'd include depending on how big I could feasibly make the roster. I'd be heavily reworking most of them. For example, I'd give Kirby copy ability attacks for all of normals and specials. Donkey Kong would get Barrel Toss as his Side-b, and his dash attack would be able to be extended by mashing A, and you get a long jump from it if you jump out of it, just like how it works in his platformers.

>>719964715 (OP)
I guess this image is trying to say that Pokémon gets a decent representation of mixed Pokémon whereas all the Fire Emblem characters are just mascots?

To which I say - lmao.
Pokémon reps are shallow as fuck. Starters and furbaits.

>>719966246
yeah...and mewto...and puff...and pichu...wait actually youre full of shit

>>719966246
That still gives them way more diversity than infinite swordies. There's not a single FE character without a sword. They also play incredibly similarly while the Pokemon characters run the gamut from grappler (Incineroar) to fast combo fiend (Pikachu) to hit & run (Greninja) to etc. None of the Pokemon play even remotely similarly.

>>719965202
I kind of get it. All the Pokemon are fairly unique so their faces are juxtaposed onto to unique and varied Fire Emblem characters, whereas the Fire Emblem characters are all that games main Lord and “mascot” so their faces are juxtaposed onto the Pikachu clones of successive generations of Pokemon games.

>>719966376
mewtwo is an anthro im sorry to tell you this.

>>719966525
dont give a fuck because you specifically wrote furbait and youre not backpedaling now

>>719965202
Top is all Pokemon being represented by FE units and showing the diverse playstyles each Pokemon in Smash provides.
Bottom is the FE characters represented by Pokemon, specifically Pika-clones and Mimikyu, showing that all the Fire Emblem characters in Smash play nearly the same besides Robin.
The message is poking fun at Smash’s design philosophy when it comes to designing the Fire Emblem characters choosing to use mostly sword fighters when there are plenty of other units to choose from to base a fighter on.

>>719966563
i wasnt that anon, i was just telling you that mewtwo is an anthro

>>719965356
The humanoid fighters just make the most sense for Smash considering Smash is a fighting game. You can't have something that floats/flies like Skarmory, Chandelure, or Barraskewda because that just breaks the gameplay of Smash. You don't want something too wide/long like Rapidash, Metagross, or Zacian because then you're just combo-food. They have to have something that could viably work as a recovery option, so that disqualifies another good chunk of Pokemon like Diglett, Tyrantrum, and Krookodile.

The weirdest you can get would be something like Trevenant, Empoleon, Gengar, and maybe Aegislash or Serperior if you're feeling adventurous.

>>719966454
FEfags have such a huge chip on their shoulders.

>>719965356
Pokken 2 never ever by the way

>>719966925
Good. Pokken was shit

>>719964715 (OP)
I'd make Smash Ultimate, except I'd remove every single DLC character

>>719966808
>The weirdest you can get would be something like Trevenant, Empoleon, Gengar, and maybe Aegislash or Serperior if you're feeling adventurous.
thats kinda what i was thinking already, pokemon is inconsistent with sizes and smash already redesigns characters slightly so i dont think its impossible for pokemon to be too big. maybe im just spoiled with pokken and pokemon close combat going out of their way for variety with mons like darkrai and primeape
>>719966925
dont make me cry :(

>>719964715 (OP)
More villains

>Eggman
>Sigma
>Giovanni evil version of Pokemon Trainer
>Akuma
>DJ Octavio
>Malos

>>719966808
My favorites don't stand a chance of getting in, but if I had a time machine, I'd travel back to 1998 and force Sakurai to include Poliwhirl instead of Jigglypuff.

>>719964825
Why would I buy a game that takes away 90% of previous content?

>>719964715 (OP)
sure, i've got a few ideas
>overall lighthearted tone, no bullshit like multiversal stakes, latin orchestral chants, or pissed-off marios. visual style takes direct influence from smash 64's promotional material while music consists entirely of arrangements/medleys in genres like jazz & big-band, giving a slightly chaotic nature to battles
>max. 20 characters. each and every one must fill a distinct role in terms of appearance, character, and archetype - i.e., only one "fantasy hero", only one "dark sorcerer", etc. helps keep everyone more visually distinct while also creating a feeling of it being an ensemble cast where everyone fills their own role in the dynamic
>some "main characters" are cut and replaced with side characters/villains in light of this. for instance, link fills the "fantasy hero" role, so a fire emblem pick should fill another one; such as navarre as a rogue/assassin-type, anna as a travelling merchant, etc. allows for a mix of fan-favourite picks and unorthodox pulls. likewise there should generally be a balance between "cute", "cool", and "weird" in terms of general character vibes
>general approach to character design & moveset stuff is character-first, with the whole "copying shit from the source material" thing going no further than general vibes (like 64's fox or falcon). so, no character-specific meters or whatever. also, character designs are composites of their most iconic appearances rather than just replicating a single game, akin to how link was handled in sm4sh
probably some other minutae too but i think this covers most of the bases

>>719968991
Third party characters aren't 90% of the content

>>719969065
This except none of the above and give me Board the Platforms and Break the Targets for every character.

>>719965202
It makes sense if you've played Fire Emblem, Smash Bros, and Pokemon. Not a tall order, but for /v/ that might be an impossibility.

>>719964715 (OP)
>Unnerf Inkling's roller
>Give Little Mac a triple jump, double the length of his side special in the air, and increase his grab length by 50%
>Shrink Mewtwo's tail hurtbox by 75%, reduce ending lag from teleport to 1 frame if he lands on the ground with it, and increase his weight to that of Ganondorf's to better match his actual weight/defenses in Pokemon

I don't care what happens otherwise. Those are my mains.

>>719964715 (OP)
Cut the roster down.
Give all veterans vastly different move sets.
6 or 7 new characters.
Another 6 or 7 echoes.
All new stages, none return from Ultimate except for BF and FD.
Smash Run 2.
Ripoff the NASB2 adventure mode
Bring back trophies.

>>719964715 (OP)
I want more indie representation
>Terrarian from Terraria
>Reimu from Touhou
>The Knight from Hollow Knight
>Shovel Knight from Shovel Knight
>Isaac from the Binding of Isaac

>>719970436
>All new stages, none return from Ultimate except for BF and FD.
What about Temple? It's been in every Smash Game since Melee

>>719968991
For the gameplay?

>>719970809
People don't actually play Smash, they just get "hyped" over seeing their favorite character make it into the game.

>>719964715 (OP)
I add Verso from the hit game (and game of the year) Expedition 33

>>719970548
No. I only think that BF and FD should stay because they get a visual overhaul every time. We don't need Temple back, they could always make another huge fuck off stage. Just hopefully not as fuck huge as GCO or Palutena's Temple.

>>719972070
None of the other huge stages have turned out well. Only Temple is any good.