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Anonymous No.719973179 >>719973520 >>719974792 >>719974821 >>719975081 >>719975621 >>719975776 >>719976741 >>719977179 >>719981014 >>719986546 >>719986778 >>719987376 >>719990039 >>719991426 >>719992261 >>719992448 >>719993393 >>719994949 >>719995459 >>719997371 >>719998160 >>720009725 >>720012578
>When you hate your own MC
What was Kojima's problem?
Anonymous No.719973520 >>719974705 >>719975309 >>719976920 >>719986908 >>719991426
>>719973179 (OP)
Kojima is big bosses biggest fanboy
Anonymous No.719973557 >>719974705
>I like Biggu Bossu more because he's a real human, unlike the clone Solidu Snaku
The problem is he's a fucking idiot
Anonymous No.719974705 >>719993103 >>719993981
>>719973520
>>719973557
Is that why he gave Solid Snake an eyepatch?
Anonymous No.719974792 >>719991426
>>719973179 (OP)
>What was Kojima's problem?
nanomachines
Anonymous No.719974821
>>719973179 (OP)
He's racist against clones and has a fetish for mercenaries.
Anonymous No.719975081 >>719976025 >>719976226 >>719979558 >>719985686
>>719973179 (OP)
It ended with 4
Anonymous No.719975309 >>719998251
>>719973520
>Kojima is big bosses biggest fanboy
MGS3 -> PO -> PW -> GZ -> MGSV
meanwhile solid snake gets the irl shitpost MGS4

Not going to lie though I loved the Big Boss games.
Anonymous No.719975621 >>719975935 >>719976435 >>719985893 >>719991584
>>719973179 (OP)
Solid is an honorable hero trying to find hope in a world that's controlled by elites to have endless warfare
Big Boss is a soldier trying to find a meaning in the battlefield
no shit Solid's story is more bleak and depressing, that doesn't mean he hates the MC, BB's story is extremely romanticized. What's with so many retards on /v/ having the "bad thing happened to the character so the author hates the character" mindset
Anonymous No.719975776 >>719975873
>>719973179 (OP)
>Solid Snake was the main protagonist in only three of the 3D games
>One of which uses him for an old fart gimmick and another is a remake
>Still treated as the protagonist of the series
Anonymous No.719975873 >>719976594
>>719975776
>Still treated as the protagonist of the series
Big Boss is considered the protagonist though
Anonymous No.719975935 >>719990039
>>719975621
MGS4 was literally created to snub the fans and also to crash and burn the modern era so that only big boss games could be made.
Anonymous No.719976025 >>719976524 >>719981438
>>719975081
No. It actually ended with 3. 4 was kojima shitting all over the series after getting death threats from fanboys mad snakes story didn't continue
Anonymous No.719976080 >>719976496
When the fuck are we having cool solid smart eye patches?! YOU LIED TO ME KOJIMA
Anonymous No.719976226 >>719976524
>>719975081
4 was "memberberries" the game
Anonymous No.719976424
He did to Solid what he did to Raiden with Raikov
MGS was in its teenage years in mid 2000s
Anonymous No.719976435
>>719975621
>NANOMACHINES
>Raiden turned into a cyborg
>NANOMACHINES
>Awful Campbell and Rose subplot
>NANOMACHINES
>Snake becomes a dying old man
>NANOMACHINES
>Snake watches meryl marry the joke character
>NANOMACHINES
>The patriots were actually the MGS3 guys did u rike it
>NANOMACHINES
>Big Boss ACKSHUALLY survived being burnt to death they used the corpses of his clones to "rebuild him" he just didn't appear because his soul was absorbed the patriot AI using nanomachines
>NANOMACHINES
Anonymous No.719976496
>>719976080
You should die for israel first, it's military equipment
Anonymous No.719976524 >>719976610
>>719976025
>>719976226
Oy!! Evwryrhing was wrapped up 4
Wasn't HIS fault the sexless douchbags wanted to shove an online portion into it, thereby fucking up the whole narrative
Blame yourselves for wanting every fucking game to have an online shit fuck
How's that horse armor working out for you, lately
Greenhorns....
Anonymous No.719976576
Kojima is retarded if he wanted to end the series with MGS2. That would be the biggest nothingburger ever. Even he felt this way since he shat out BB games for a period of ten years
Anonymous No.719976594 >>719976812 >>719978854 >>719981718 >>719982443 >>719988376 >>719993834 >>719997236 >>719997439
>>719975873
Nearly every time there's a crossover, it uses Solid Snake. Plus there's the word "Solid" in the series title. The public consensus seems to be that he is the most recognizable part of the series and also it's icon. And that's pretty funny when you think about the fact he's almost a side character compared to Big Boss.
Anonymous No.719976610 >>719976782
>>719976524
You couldnt even do the Mages guikd quests and JUST HAD TO HAVE THE TOWER, CUZ BOO HOO
Anonymous No.719976721
MGS4 wasn't even a game. 10 hours of cutscene and one part where you spend over an hour in a cutscene. That's half the fucking game
Anonymous No.719976741 >>719976882
>>719973179 (OP)
There's only so much you can tell with a positive hero like Solid Snake. Arguably MGS1 already did everything it could with him, to the point where in MGS2 they had to make Snake an asshole to Raiden for no reason other other than, idk, make Raiden stop trying to emulate him? MGS4 is just old man grumbling about being old, it's not serious. Big Boss on the other hand has a limitless potential of exploring his fall
Anonymous No.719976782 >>719976936
>>719976610
Online only dipshits
I'm personnaly blaming you 2 fags and your kind for ruining vidya as a whole
Anonymous No.719976812
>>719976594
Lmao you think the average person knows the difference between Solid Snake and Big Boss? They all think there's one Snake
Anonymous No.719976882 >>719977165 >>719977234
>>719976741
>There's only so much you can tell with a positive hero like Solid Snake. Arguably MGS1 already did everything it could with him, to the point where in MGS2 they had to make Snake an asshole to Raiden for no reason other other than, idk, make Raiden stop trying to emulate him?
MGS2 would have been better if Snake was the protagonist. Raiden was redundant
Anonymous No.719976905 >>719977097 >>719977115 >>719978252 >>719978361 >>719978586 >>719979253 >>719979914 >>719980001 >>719980425 >>719982962 >>719983019 >>719983698 >>719987860 >>719987860 >>719987860 >>719989748 >>719995458 >>719998253 >>720013098
MGS3 is done and MGS4 is entering pre-pre-production. You are bodysnatched into Kojima's body. You have to make up the absolute basis for the story for MGS4. Describe it in 2-4 sentences.
Anonymous No.719976920 >>720002884
>>719973520
Big Boss feels like an actual person with deeply compromising character flaws. Solid is just a delivery system for the game's moral lesson
Anonymous No.719976936 >>719977087
>>719976782
Fuck it, everyone reading this, and the rest that had no fucking clue, are to blame
IT WAS YOUUUUUUUUUUUUUU
YOU DID IT
YOU DID IT AND YOU DIDN'T EVEN CARE
Anonymous No.719976949 >>719977223 >>719978958 >>719988179
MGS4 was so fucking retarded that to this day I'm still convinced anyone who says its their favorite is the biggest fucking nigger faggot troll on the internet.
Absolute sheep with no taste beyond pure contrarianism.
Anonymous No.719977087
>>719976936
FUCKING THANKS
YA FUCKS
GA
L
GLAD YOU ENJOYED YOURSELVES
WHAT ARE YOU GONNA RUIN NOW??
just list it out
Anonymous No.719977097
>>719976905
>Describe it in 2-4 sentences.
I'll do it better in just 2 words.
GAS SNAKE
Anonymous No.719977115 >>719977338
>>719976905
The biggest problem with mgs4 is that they ported the mgs3 engine and it sucked for what they wanted to do, if they had used ue3 or something ready to use they would have managed to add faction wars and other content that they failed to add.
Anonymous No.719977165 >>719977434 >>719994882
>>719976882
You don't get it. Raiden in MGS2 works because it's a fresh character building arc. There was nothing new Kojima could say about Solid Snake and when he tried to, both in MGS2 and 4, it only made him worse
Anonymous No.719977179 >>719977503
>>719973179 (OP)
He didn't want to keep coming back and making the games and then he kept coming back and making the games, so Solid ended up becoming an avenue for venting his frustrations like a beat-up dummy.
Anonymous No.719977223
>>719976949
Was never my fave, but it wrapped up the story and was a fucking ending. Cause games end. They were never meant to go on till you're dead
Anonymous No.719977234
>>719976882
Nah, but would have been cool to have more Snake infiltration missions before the tanker incident.
Anonymous No.719977338 >>719977428 >>719977527 >>719977817
>>719977115
It was unreal 4
Cause fucking everything was unreal 4 at the time. You ciuldnt escape it
It's the fucking Dragula of game engines
Anonymous No.719977428
>>719977338
And now 5 is the exact same thing
Anonymous No.719977434 >>719977594
>>719977165
>You don't get it. Raiden in MGS2 works because it's a fresh character building arc. There was nothing new Kojima could say about Solid Snake and when he tried to, both in MGS2 and 4, it only made him worse
who gives a shit about what Kojima wanted to say. Just make a fucking game and leave the auteur shit at the door
Anonymous No.719977503
>>719977179
>He didn't want to keep coming back and making the games and then he kept coming back and making the games, so Solid ended up becoming an avenue for venting his frustrations like a beat-up dummy.
Kojima was a liar. He loved making Big Boss games. He got prissy when people asked him about Solid Snake and crashed the franchise
Anonymous No.719977527 >>719977816
>>719977338
The fuck are you talking about, Unreal Engine 4 didn't even release until 2014. MGS4 was a proprietary in-house engine at Konami for Kojima Productions' work. UE4 wasn't even where Unreal was inherently bad, either, get your head out of your ass and don't go blaming random shit you wanna bitch about.
Anonymous No.719977548 >>719978789
Salad Sneak:
>MG1
>MG2
>MGS1
>MGS2 (Tanker)
>MGS4

Large Leader:
>MGS3
>MGSPW
>MGSV:GZ
Anonymous No.719977594 >>719977727
>>719977434
>who gives a shit about what Kojima wanted to say
I do
Anonymous No.719977727
>>719977594
Death Sharting is that way
Anonymous No.719977816
>>719977527
Sorry, ue3, my bad
It felt like ue
It looked like ue
It moved like ue
It was ue
Play more games instead of watching them
Anonymous No.719977817 >>719977936
>>719977338
>I am a retard and I should stfu

you should
Anonymous No.719977935 >>719978048 >>720011032
I think this was the exact game that I realized kojimbo was a hack
ever since then he has not made a single good game or wrote a decent story.
death stranding was fucking dogshit too, but somehow people or really blind fanboys still sucked him off for giving them a walking simulator that was less fun to play than MGS1/2/3 etc.
Anonymous No.719977936
>>719977817
>i only watched the movie on youtube
Figures
Anonymous No.719977938 >>719982821
Anonymous No.719978048
>>719977935
death stranding is much better than mgs4 though
Anonymous No.719978052 >>719978139
Oh yeah, it was fox engine, lol, haha
Anonymous No.719978135 >>719978224 >>719979986
>Be Kojima
>Make an unfinished game spending an ungodly amount of time and money explaining a plothole nobody cared about between MG1 and MG2
Anonymous No.719978139
>>719978052
Still, 4 was the end of an era. Metal gear was done after that. Why make more and why complain about it. Shit was done
Anonymous No.719978224 >>719978291
>>719978135
I'll argue that fucking Sony forced him to make online and THAT took away from 4
Cause all you fags just NEEDED online
Anonymous No.719978252
>>719976905
-I should calm the fuck down with the story custscenes
-I should focus more on the gameplay
-If I can't realise all my game idea ambitions, I should at least provide more gameplay time for my players
-I really should not put those annoying arm ball robots in chapter 4, so that people can fully soak up the atmosphere of a dilapidated Shadow Moses instead of constantly being irritated by those bug-like fucking things

Now time to goon on some Western actresses and eat from all the restaurants with my mate, Ryan Payton
Anonymous No.719978291 >>719978391
>>719978224
Just HAD to have your PRECIOUS online
Anonymous No.719978361
>>719976905
Keep most of the story, but trim the fat a fair bit, take out the extreme aging part

That's just misery porn, make it so that his body is going to shit still but pure will keeps him together

Kill whoever i have to to keep Fukushima in, Make sure Codec calls are still engaging as fuck

Add Chapter selection and a few options for easier replays for the fans
Anonymous No.719978391 >>719978469 >>719979501
>>719978291
Whether you wanted it or not, Sony forced his hand
Anonymous No.719978469 >>719978569
>>719978391
And THAT'S why 4 turned out the way it did
Anonymous No.719978569 >>719978659
>>719978469
I sure as fuck didn't ask for that. I just wanted Metal Gear to be fucking done, amd he did it
Anonymous No.719978586
>>719976905
I can tell you what I wouldn't do.
I wouldn't turn the MGS3 comms cast into the fucking patriots, I wouldn't turn Big Boss into a religious figure and wouldn't include Raiden.
Anonymous No.719978659 >>719978826
>>719978569
Let the guy try other things
Let them ALL try other things
But, oh no
Oh never
Anonymous No.719978789
>>719977548
>MG1 - 0.5 points to SS (he's 2D), 1/16 point to BB (2D + body double + no characterization)
>MGNES - 0.5 SS, 1/8 to BB (not body double)
>MG2 - 0.5 to SS, 0.25 to BB (has characterization now)
>MGS1 - 1 to SS
>MGSTS - 1 to SS
>MGS2 - 0.5 to SS (not main protagonist, but still really important)
>MGS3 - 1 to BB
>MGSPO - 1 to BB
>MGSPW - 1 to BB
>MGS4 - 0.75 to SS (he's old), 1/8 to BB (barely does anything)
>MGSV:GZ - 0.5 to BB (Game is short)
>MGSV - 0.75 to BB (body double)
>MGSA - 0.5 to SS
>MGSA2 - 0.5 to SS
>MGSGB - 0.5 to SS

SS 3.25 points
BB 4.875 points

Big Boss wins
Anonymous No.719978826 >>719978905
>>719978659
How bout we make an anime where fucking Alucard has a threesome with a couple faggots
That was YOU
Anonymous No.719978854 >>719979086 >>719981753 >>720003282
>>719976594
>solid snake
>literally big boss in the MGS2 Sneaking Suit
Anonymous No.719978905 >>719979004
>>719978826
How bout Snake gets fucked in the ass by Vamp and Lady fucking Luck
Anonymous No.719978958
>>719976949
It has some cool things in it, but it's a movie game through and through. I wouldn't even have minded the long cutscenes if the story and writing was worth a shit.
Anonymous No.719979004 >>719979139
>>719978905
Some kind of strap-on that's been possesed by Solidus
Anonymous No.719979035
Raiden, we MUST be a better man
Anonymous No.719979086
>>719978854
It's still Solid Snake, they just wanted to have the elements of both characters. A shame they didn't make an alt style that looks like MGS3 BB.
Anonymous No.719979139 >>719979229
>>719979004
No, it's Grey Wolf returned as a fucking buttplug
Anonymous No.719979229
>>719979139
From the VR realm with the help of that godzilla clone soldier
Anonymous No.719979253 >>719979381
>>719976905
They never find the Patriots, and they might not even Exist.
Trying to tie everything up seems like the main problem with 4.
Anonymous No.719979381 >>719979491
>>719979253
I'm just glad it was over by then. Let them all rest, finally
Anonymous No.719979491
>>719979381
They lived through war after war after war
Anonymous No.719979501 >>719979625
>>719978391
Konami counter-reacted. MGO was the only game that had its own rules for online, bypassing all the intentions that Sony had for PSN at the time.

Ironically that seems to be what has saved it from permadeath since the game is still played by die-hards in an unsanctioned manner.
Anonymous No.719979558
>>719975081
It ended with 2. Then it ended with 3. Then it ended with 4. Now it's ended with V
Anonymous No.719979625 >>719979741
>>719979501
So.
It's not Metal Gear
Story's over
Go home
Bar's closed
Take your shit and fucking leave. Game's done
Anonymous No.719979741 >>719979826
>>719979625
>troon hands typed this post
Anonymous No.719979826 >>719980178
>>719979741
Whatever you say, Boss. You know everything
Anonymous No.719979914
>>719976905
remove all raiden and johnny content add more world building stuff via codec calls
Anonymous No.719979981
They were never suppose to eliminate the patriots. They were supposed to remain stooges getting breadcrumbs each game. Kojima is a hack who shat the bed on the foundation established in MGS2
Anonymous No.719979986 >>719980418
>>719978135
that wasn't the point of V.
Anonymous No.719980001
>>719976905
I don't do the dumbass "MGS3 support team are the Patriots" thing. I don't really involve the MGS3 cast at all because they are irrelevant and ancient by the time
of 4. Patriots are some mysterious cabal you never get a singular good answer for.
I abandon the whole meta theme about how old and tired the series is and how angry I am about having to make this shit and I just focus on the characters and the theme of the war economy and the commentary and ideas that come from that. Liquid Ocelot is gone, he is replaced with just Liquid as either a clone or robot or just regular Ocelot. Or both, why not.
Anonymous No.719980178 >>719980535
>>719979826
Hey, remember when the mgs1 demo was released and we'd play it over and over again to try different paths?
Way back in 97, and we'd stay up all night playing this new and weird game?
Good times
Anonymous No.719980186 >>719980546
Kojima doesnt hate Solid Snake, he clearly just doesnt like more conventional sequels. With almost every new game he makes he tries to push the franchise forward in some way. He doesnt want to just make "heres more of that thing you like" because he doesnt find it interesting. MGS4 was literally forced upon him because people wanted to know what happened after MGS2 so the game has a very noticable "I'm sick of shit' feel.
Anonymous No.719980397 >>719980517
Being a soldier is such a cuckery holy shit! You're literally taking orders from a bunch of pedophiles and rapists. The president himself probably takes part in satanist rituals and rapes and kills kids. I want a MGS game when I can kill Epstein and his politician friends and then president himself. But I know that even if we established a ruling party of our own, the most sociopathic individuals would raise to the top quickly and started abusing their power once again... There's no escape from this system
Anonymous No.719980418 >>719981329
>>719979986
the climax of the game is that the snake you're playing as is a body double and then there's a timeskip and Venom Snake turns around and walks away to confront Solid Snake with the camera pointed to the outer heaven logo on his shoulder which was diamond dogs before
Anonymous No.719980425 >>719980650 >>719986793 >>720003365
>>719976905
>Game starts with Raiden going to save Sunny
>Raiden succeeds but gets severely injured
>Years later Raiden is a robo and Snake rapidly aged and works as codec support now
>You play as Raiden through act 1, 2, and 3(3 no longer a dogshit escort mission) but then he gets captured
>Game does a reverse MGS2 switcherwoo in which you play as snake again in act 4 shadow moses to get Raiden out.
>Act 5 is Outer Heaven but expanded greatly in which Raiden and Snake will be in two different parts of the ships and you can switch between them to affect the other characters side.
>Raiden hooks himself up to the AI taking control of it but it kills his human body while Snake does his fight with Ocelot
>As Ocelot dies, Snake sits on Outer Heaven badly injured, soon a bunch of those little dwarf gekko show up, before snake can shoot one Raiden starts talking to Snake through them
>Snake and AI Raiden talk for a bit explaining that Raiden will do his best to protect the world in this new form. Snake feeling the burden of the world off his shoulders also passes away staring off into the sunset
>Raiden being an omnipresent AI watch his son Jack grow up through the lens of electronics around him
Anonymous No.719980517
>>719980397
Hi Big Boss
Anonymous No.719980535
>>719980178
Was just the docks, the elevator with the cool intro, then seaking past the gaurds to the vebts, and it'd end amd we'd wonder just wtf the rest of the game'd be like?
Then we'd pop in Twisted metal 2 and co'op or vs for the rwst of the night?
That's some shit that no one could take away
Anonymous No.719980546 >>719980798 >>720010303
>>719980186
>Kojima doesnt hate Solid Snake
>You have to keep in mind that Solid Snake is not a real human [As within the story universe, Solid Snake is a genetically enhanced clone.] On the other hand Big Boss is a real human being with true emotions. He can be more expressive than Solid Snake. So yes, as a result I find him more compelling to write
Anonymous No.719980638
Greenhorns....
Anonymous No.719980650
>>719980425
Worse than Kojima Slop
Anonymous No.719980798 >>719988564
>>719980546
I still think that ending would've been cooler than what we got.
Anonymous No.719980871 >>719980982
Once MGS3 came out no one really cared about Solid anymore. Cold War setting was cooler and more interesting. Same with Big Boss
Anonymous No.719980982 >>719981045 >>719982670 >>720011092
>>719980871
Yes exactly, this is why every subsequent Cold War Big Boss game had a shittier and shittier story, and why they just replaced him with a brain dead mute in the last one. Because he was so interesting.
Anonymous No.719981014 >>719981116
>>719973179 (OP)
if Kojima really hated Snake he would've turned him into Big Boss
Anonymous No.719981045
>>719980982
Seethe more
Anonymous No.719981101
Who the hell did he hit??!
Anonymous No.719981116 >>719981585
>>719981014
>he would've turned him into Big Boss
He literally did. He became an old man with an eyepatch
Anonymous No.719981329 >>719988628 >>719994008 >>719994317
>>719980418
The game is saying something about how public figures are largely constructed, and what you thought was Big Boss, wasn't even Big Boss half of the time.
Arguably Peace Walker did this better by having Miller be the guy who essentially PR managed Big Boss and ran Outer Heaven, and then revealing that maybe Big Boss never entirely left the US establishment, but I don't think people caught that
Just because the game lines up with a minor plot point from the MSX games, doesn't mean that was the point.
Anonymous No.719981438 >>719992679 >>719994378
>>719976025
It ended with 2, it's the perfect ending. The lore is stretched after that and it falls apart with 3, ruined by The Boss's will among other's stuff, like Granin, Ocelot and Eva. 4 shits on everything of course.
Anonymous No.719981441 >>719988712
>caring about the mgs storyline after 4 dumped nanomachines all over it

i seriously hope you guys don't do this
Anonymous No.719981585 >>719981718
>>719981116
that's just superficial not his character. SS stayed the same
Anonymous No.719981718 >>719981992
>>719981585
>that's just superficial
look here. When people look at "Solid Snake" they're just looking at Big Boss. >>719976594
Anonymous No.719981753 >>719981821 >>719981837 >>719981872
>>719978854
He has both eyes though, clearly not Big Boss.
Anonymous No.719981821 >>719990369
>>719981753
Big Boss is the one with the full beard. Solid Snake doesn't even have a beard in MGS1.
Anonymous No.719981837 >>719982261
>>719981753
>He has both eyes though, clearly not Big Boss.
did you not play MGS3?
Anonymous No.719981872 >>719990369
>>719981753
BB had both eyes while he was naked snake. Solid snake never had a full beard though he had a goatee at best. Full beards was a BB thing
Anonymous No.719981992 >>719982310
>>719981718
doesn't matter
Anonymous No.719982261 >>719982443 >>719992225
>>719981837
Yeah, the game where he loses his eye, his most distinguishing feature that he is known for.
Anonymous No.719982310
>>719981992
>doesn't matter
It does. you don't even remember what Solid looks like.
Anonymous No.719982443 >>719982534
>>719982261
You mean he does have both eyes for part of the game thus looking like this guy>>719976594
Anonymous No.719982534 >>719982730
>>719982443
Yeah, but you think of Big Boss as the guy with one eye. Not the guy with Two Eyes. That's Solid Snake.
Anonymous No.719982557 >>719982665 >>719983062
they're gonna remake Piss Walker, aren't they?
Anonymous No.719982665
>>719982557
That's at least one of the games that would benefit from a remake. It was badly held back by the PSP
Anonymous No.719982670
>>719980982
>I never played mg1 btw
Anonymous No.719982730 >>719982886 >>719982910 >>720003480
>>719982534
This version of MGS2 solid snake with a full beard traces back to super smash bros brawl where Sakurai glued the MGS3 BB head model to MGS2 Snake model
Anonymous No.719982821 >>719983159
>>719977938
Why was Pliskin so upset about this?
Anonymous No.719982886
>>719982730
Yes, but they have the same face if it's the two eye version, so it's Solid Snake with a beard. If it was meant to be Big Boss they'd have to give him the eyepatch, plus a different outfit all together.
Anonymous No.719982887 >>719983221 >>719990456
Weird how this is the closest Solid Snake ever got to looking like the typical Snake.
He's a whole other guy in MGS1. Doesn't even have a mullet or a bandana in his standard design.
Anonymous No.719982910
>>719982730
It's literally Big Boss
Anonymous No.719982962
>>719976905
I would make Solidus return with him surviving, returning in a similar manner to Gray Fox
Anonymous No.719983019
>>719976905
It's a game about Big Boss raping little girls on "Small Island". In-depth sex mechanics. Half-way through you switch to Solid Snake in a Hitman-style assassination mission. He kills Big Boss and all the kids and himself because this world is beyond saving.
Anonymous No.719983062
>>719982557
Peace Walker was great. Kaz is one of the best characters in MGS
Anonymous No.719983159 >>719983248
>>719982821
He hates copycats that impersonate big boss.
Anonymous No.719983221 >>719983320 >>719983470 >>719993627
>>719982887
Yeah
honestly, the twins don't actually look like Big Boss clones at all in 1.
Anonymous No.719983248 >>719983497
>>719983159
>He hates copycats that impersonate big boss.
pot meet kettle
Anonymous No.719983290
Ah yes, Solid Snake.
Just the way you remember him.
Anonymous No.719983320
>>719983221
>posting the non canon gamecube port
Anonymous No.719983470 >>719990295
>>719983221
Nothing looks good in Twin Snakes
Anonymous No.719983497 >>719983532 >>719983632
>>719983248
Snake never made a small boy unit though
Anonymous No.719983532
>>719983497
>Raiden went through fuck-fuck games
Anonymous No.719983632 >>720003556
>>719983497
>Mei Ling in MGS1
>Raiden in MGS2
>Sunny in MGS4
Snake is the same as his father
Anonymous No.719983698
>>719976905
Otacon fucks Mei Ling instead of Naomi
Anonymous No.719983969
When are we getting our Sunny game?
Anonymous No.719985686
>>719975081
mgr
Anonymous No.719985893 >>719986606 >>719986753
>>719975621
Big Boss is about soldier losing his humanity and becoming a global villain.
Solid Snake is man made weapon finding humanity and becoming an actual hero.
Anonymous No.719986546 >>719986675 >>719986686
>>719973179 (OP)
>stepped down from MGS
>fans threatened to kill his wife and kid
>you want a sequer made by me?
>comes back to co-direct the project
>destroys every single thread and turns the legacy into a shallow fanservice
>did you rike it?
Based even though a game had to die for the colossal fuck you.
Anonymous No.719986606
>>719985893
more like anti-hero
Anonymous No.719986675 >>719986840
>>719986546
>stepped down from MGS
never happened
>fans threatened to kill his wife and kid
never happened
>you want a sequer made by me?
No one cared if he was there or not
>destroys every single thread and turns the legacy into a shallow fanservice
yes
>did u rike it?
I enjoyed his fall of grace when Konami fired him
Anonymous No.719986686
>>719986546
desu, Japanese creators need to call the bluff on internet tough guys sometimes. What the fuck are they going to do? Hire a guard, if you're that concerned.

I mean, it's all bullshit, because Hideo deep down can hardly tear himself away from Metal Gear anyway. He loves it.
Anonymous No.719986753 >>719987708
>>719985893
>a global villain
Not being bootlicker for the government is being a villain now?
Anonymous No.719986778
>>719973179 (OP)
If he liked Big Boss so much why was every game about Solid Snake until Snake Eater?
Anonymous No.719986793 >>719988226
>>719980425
I was kind of with you until the AI dogshit you slapped in there
Anonymous No.719986840 >>719986871
>>719986675
>never happened
Except it did you fucking retard.
Anonymous No.719986871
>>719986840
in your delusional mind sure
Anonymous No.719986908 >>719987087
>>719973520
>Likes Big Boss so much that he doesn't even make him playable in the final game
What did la creatividad mean by this?
Anonymous No.719987087 >>719987213 >>719987864
>>719986908
>What did la creatividad mean by this?
it was a gift to us all. The game revealed we were Big Boss all along
Anonymous No.719987213
>>719987087
Did we really need a videogame for that? Its like he made a videogame based on those credit scenes from SNES games that mention the player.
Anonymous No.719987376
>>719973179 (OP)
old snake is best snake
Anonymous No.719987708 >>719988154
>>719986753
Raising child soldiers and trying to create a world of global endless war is typically considered villainous behavior.
Anonymous No.719987860
>>719976905
>>719976905
>>719976905
what if snake dies to getting run over by outer haven, then snap to big boss and his in old snakes

tho what I'd really want by the end of 4 I'd want old snake to look fucked the oven fucked him, his old man fight fucked him have him look worse then two face
Anonymous No.719987864
>>719987087
I don't think that's a good thing to be though.
Anonymous No.719988154 >>720003556
>>719987708
matter of perspective.
Anonymous No.719988179
>>719976949
I loved it has best controls an amazing online and a fun story that wraps up all the retarded shit of the last 3 games
4 made raiden the fucking guy
has the best bosses theres no stupid fucking bee guy or fat man (I like fat man, forture in the shitter of 2)
with dribin you have a freedom to play how you want (I think the hardest mode should of locked out dribin but then your playing the game with like 3 guns)
Anonymous No.719988226 >>719989256
>>719986793
Really Raiden whole character is about he’s inability to act human. Raiden was a child soldier and never got to be a normal person. Trained entirely in VR and lives in an empty plain room. After 2 Raiden rejected more and more of his human self becoming more metal than flesh. The idea that he physically dies and replaces the patriots as an AI to help oversee the future of humanity would ironically be Raiden at his most human
Anonymous No.719988376
>>719976594
>Hi, Big Boss
Anonymous No.719988564
>>719980798
If snake died I rather him just be like jobs done and shot himself
Anonymous No.719988628 >>719988684 >>719988812
>>719981329
peace walker did fuckall better with its shit as fuck story
Anonymous No.719988684 >>719989135
>>719988628
See, you're the kind of person who wont pick up on an idea unless it's an hour long cutscene.
Anonymous No.719988712
>>719981441
no it should of been magic!
big boss should of been like naruto!
Anonymous No.719988812 >>719989135
>>719988628
>he still can't appreciate Hot Coldman
Anonymous No.719988856
the metanarrative of the whole series is that Kojima is a deep state asset, and each game is a kind of soft disclosure, dressed up as a video game for nerds.
It's all there.
Anonymous No.719989135 >>719989164
>>719988684
>>719988812
oh yes cold hotman, a villian where you only remember his name and fuckall else (I've beaten piss walker on psp and ps3 and can not remember anything from this shitter)
strangelove and her tickle time (the worst charcter in the series, next to the boss)
you love oh the russian guys run off for 6th time better get him again faggot
Paz with her faggot peace shit and doing side mission over and over again
the ppl that like peace walker enjoy that slop in V
Anonymous No.719989164
>>719989135
filtered.
Anonymous No.719989256 >>719989371 >>719989517 >>719989638
>>719988226
but his not, his a fucking person you retard thats why he talks about shit like kinging like kong
even tho his fucked his still a tiny bit normal
Anonymous No.719989258 >>719989354
I unironically dont care much for SS
BB is way more interesting
Anonymous No.719989354 >>719989515
>>719989258
How so, they are pretty similar
Anonymous No.719989371 >>719989769
>>719989256
bad nigga did you miss the entire theme of Raiden's character in MGS2 or what
Anonymous No.719989496 >>719989589 >>719989808
HELLO
beat MGS 3
i have finished MGS 1 and in the middle of MGS 2

is this MGS world building botched at some point?
the last “world” i invested myself into was game of thrones until midway when I realized nothing was concrete aka it had plot holes to hell

is this MGS world the same?
won’t continue if this is the case
Anonymous No.719989515
>>719989354
I honestly dont really know exactly. It might have to do with me not playing the games as they were coming out and getting into the series late.
My first game was rising, then 5, 3 and 1.
I even like Venom, the concept of a random guy having a whole new life thrown on him like that is a cool concept
Anonymous No.719989517
>>719989256
bro, you okay?
Anonymous No.719989589
>>719989496
don't know if you'd call them plot holes, as of such.
Anonymous No.719989638 >>719989962 >>720009306
>>719989256
you know there's a reason why Rose cries when she sees Raiden's room and why Raiden is confused why it bothers her
Anonymous No.719989748
>>719976905
play the liquid ocelot stuff straight and make most of the game about hounding him
keep the patriots mysterious, imply that they're more or less running on fumes for a slightly hopeful ending
drop the gwot stuff
optional coop with snake and raiden
Anonymous No.719989769 >>719989985 >>719991159
>>719989371
so just pretend that the parts are not there so I like you pretends that mgs2 is the best thing ever? or did the your youtube video you watched of mgs2 and its themes just cut those parts out?
after losing most of his body at the end of 4 gets his humanity back you wanna be a stupid fag and be like no his really AI like a drooling retard, how can you be a worst writer then the fucking nip your a duckman with the ideas
Anonymous No.719989808
>>719989496
Yeah, MGS3
Anonymous No.719989962
>>719989638
one shes a fucking woman and cause he lives in a empty shell and is just like a normal dude, he doesn't need the vtuber his gooning too on his wall to be 'normal'
Anonymous No.719989985 >>719990190
>>719989769
Raiden's human aspects in 2 is a facade, like you genuinely think because he watched a movie he has humanity? The point is that the facade falls apart when anyone gets close so he keeps people way
Anonymous No.719990039 >>719990421 >>719993212
>>719973179 (OP)
>hate your own MC
Snake was given the best possible ending.
He was freed from the shackles of his legacy and lineage, allowed to live as a man instead of a weapon.
Solid Snake is the embodiment of the Boss's will and it's his sense of duty, determination, and hope which ended the decades-long nightmare birthed by Big Boss and Zero.

How is that hating him?

>>719975935
>so that only big boss games could be made
It is abundantly, blatantly clear that Kojima's intention with MGS4 was to end Metal Gear as a franchise entirely.
That's why there's so much exposition covering up every hole in the series timeline. Which in turn is why PW and GZ/TPP are basically filler arcs that don't mean anything at all.
Anonymous No.719990190 >>719990375 >>719991159
>>719989985
so he made up watching king kong and the plot points or did some random black kid he was shooting telling him plot points
Anonymous No.719990295 >>719990498
>>719983470
>Hal slipping and falling down a mountain as the end game voice over plays
Ther series peaked with Twin Snakes
Anonymous No.719990369 >>719990514 >>719993750 >>720003739
>>719981821
>>719981872
Snake has a beard in MGS2
Anonymous No.719990375 >>719990895
>>719990190
jesus I didn't know watching a movie meant you regain all aspects of being a normal person, what are you Kojima. It's surface level shit like reading up on sports, the guy has no friends, mementos of his life, or real interests, not even movie posters
Anonymous No.719990421
>>719990039
>It is abundantly, blatantly clear that Kojima's intention with MGS4 was to end Metal Gear as a franchise entirely.
>That's why there's so much exposition covering up every hole in the series timeline. Which in turn is why PW and GZ/TPP are basically filler arcs that don't mean anything at all.
like you said why they have nothing stories that dont do anything and you already know all whats gonna happen
Anonymous No.719990456 >>719990786
>>719982887
for me it's acid snake
Anonymous No.719990498
>>719990295
At least they didn't forget he hurt his heckin' ankle!
Anonymous No.719990514 >>719990626
>>719990369
that's a goatee not a full beard
Anonymous No.719990626 >>719990721
>>719990514
>hair covers chin, jawline, cheeks and upper lip
>is not a full beard
You don't know what a goatee is by the way
Anonymous No.719990721 >>719990875
>>719990626
it's not full so it doesn't count, it's purposely light on the upperlip region
Anonymous No.719990786
>>719990456
>alive and still young in 2016
the luckier Snake.
Anonymous No.719990875
>>719990721
>if you can't grow thick hair on your upper lip then it's not XYZ style using upper lip hair
Are you stupid?
Anonymous No.719990895 >>719991159 >>719991273
>>719990375
>jesus I didn't know watching a movie meant you regain all aspects of being a normal person,
what is normal you fucking retard? thats right nothing is normal and by fucking golly having a movie poster doesn't make you normal
his a fucked up child soilder that still has a little bit of humanity left in rose (I am sure thats why her fucking name is of a flower cause the little nigglet is a bud)
>the guy has no friends, mementos of his life
wow just like you anon stop self inserting

look at this normal guy from the 60s his on the tv so nothings wrong with him, thats you
Anonymous No.719991159 >>719991471
>>719990895
>>719990190
>>719989769
bro is literally Raiden lmao
Anonymous No.719991273 >>719991471
>>719990895
dude you're actually schizoing out. Yes having mementos of your life and interests is normal. Everyone has at least something Raiden has nothing. I don't care if you don't think that's abnormal but the story is presenting it that way
Anonymous No.719991426 >>719991892 >>719992287 >>719992308 >>719992732
>>719973179 (OP)
>>719973520
>>719974792
It's pretty funny that people still don't get how literal Kojima was with not wanting to make MGS4.
Solid is like that as part of that idea. Look at the major returning characters:
>Solid Snake
Old and decrepit failure who accomplished nothing, which is why he's still the main character.
>Meryl
Example #1 of Snake's failures, a woman who saw the horrors of war and that it wasn't cool, and decided to keep fighting in the big war machine.
>Raiden
Example #2 of Snake's failures, a man who was told to "find the meaning behind the words", and decided that meaning was "Holy fuck Snake we gotta beat the Patriots!" and literally sacrificed his body, identity, and relationships to pursue this.

Everything in the world is Outer Heaven #2. Despite beating Big Boss, Big Boss ostensibly won by inspiring a massive war economy where soldiers are always able to "find a place" (war).

Solid Snake failed and lost BECAUSE he is the main character again. MGS1 was the END of his role as the player character because he became FREE from the system and found his OWN path.
That is why Kojima finds him uninteresting- his story ended. MGS2 was his epilogue. MGS4 is the bad ending.
Anonymous No.719991471 >>719991904
>>719991159
no your a faggot that cant counter the whole king kong subplot
that wants him to hook himself up to be some AI god
he clearly had a normal life when he got to the usa and trys to bottle those past feelings
>>719991273
what memntos does soild snake have?
Anonymous No.719991584
>>719975621
>"bad thing happened to the character so the author hates the character" mindset
The irony to this is that this shows an author typically likes a character more if that character isn't a deliberate heel of some kind.
When you write your main character to be pathetic and intensely flawed, that's something you do when you like them. You want to explore them in a far more intimate way then just as the core heroic ideal they might embody.
Anonymous No.719991892 >>719992170
>>719991426
Nobody cares about that faggot shit. Everyone wants a game where you play as prime Solid Snake sneaking through bases and having memorable codec members and getting hot bitches. Anything else is not Metal Gear.
Anonymous No.719991904 >>719992256
>>719991471
Bandana? nigga wears it everywhere. Snake's also a clone so the fact he's more human than Raiden is very funny
Anonymous No.719992170
>>719991892
>Everyone wants a game where you play as prime Solid Snake sneaking through bases and having memorable codec members and getting hot bitches
Metal Gear 1, 2, Solid, Solid 2's opening, Ac!d, Ac!d 2, and Mobile all did that.
Anonymous No.719992205
ARH MY PHANTOM PAIN IS COMING BACK
Anonymous No.719992225
>>719982261
I hope you get bent over and dicked down by your uncle and that he cums inside your gaping hole. Motherfucker
Anonymous No.719992256 >>719992450
>>719991904
>Bandana?
please stop talking, I ask for soild snake and you bring up fucking nig noss
>Snake's also a clone so the fact he's more human than Raiden is very funny
he clearly doesn't think that cause he tells raiden he still has a heart (still has rose)
anonther one of these faggot youtube video watchers, must of watched that dickhead supereyepatch to sound like a fucking idiot
Anonymous No.719992261
>>719973179 (OP)
mystery niggas
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QFWdk9Y0FN8
Anonymous No.719992287
>>719991426
I think this is why MGS4 is bad. Not because bad things happen to Snake. It's because it's a story that's only about itself. It is just about how much Kojima didn't want to make it and very little else. It's more shallow than basically any other game in the series because it's only message and theme is "I don't want to make this game."
Anonymous No.719992308 >>719992597
>>719991426
>MGS1 was the END of his role as the player character because he became FREE from the system and found his OWN path.
>MGS4 is the bad ending.
But that is quite literally what happens at the end of MGS4

Snake wasn't free from jack shit at the end of MGS1. The world didn't change. He just momentarily stopped nuclear disaster.
Anonymous No.719992398
Tfw no Ocelot bf..
Anonymous No.719992448 >>719992876
>>719973179 (OP)
MGS4 was great
and I love that it triggers "muh media literacy" queers and fags on r/games when you say it
Anonymous No.719992450 >>719992859
>>719992256
>please stop talking, I ask for soild snake and you bring up fucking nig noss
Solid Snake wears a bandana the same one since being in foxhound and continued to wear since the 1990s
>he clearly doesn't think that cause he tells raiden he still has a heart
no shit guess what he does in the next game, becomes 90% cyborg so it clearly fell on deaf ears
Anonymous No.719992489 >>719992976 >>719993280 >>719994285 >>720004032
Just beat peace walker hd today
Holy fuck this game is a step down from the others. Guess you had to be there because it's overrated as hell. All the AI bosses except like 2 suck
Missions are too easy except the last 3 which are ball busting endurance shit that plays like call of duty for no reason
Comic book cutscenes and qtes suck dick. Codecs are soulful just use those
Very grindy which was a taster of what was to come with mgsv
Anonymous No.719992597
>>719992308
>But that is quite literally what happens at the end of MGS4
Yeah, because MGS4 is a repeat except with the caveat of "This has to stop HERE".
>Snake wasn't free from jack shit at the end of MGS1. The world didn't change
Snake changed. That's what mattered. The world was shit and there was still bad shit in it, but Snake had changed from his callous disregard, abandoning everything including a woman he could've loved at the end of MG2, to going off to pursue a life he finds fulfilling at the end of MGS1, and MGS2 shows that life- working with Otacon to right the wrongs of the world. That's all that was ever needed.
The point is that Snake was saved. Saving the world is secondary to that.

MGS4 invents a global all encompassing conflict to make that "satisfying ending".
Anonymous No.719992679 >>719992921 >>719993113
>>719981438
3 is just a story about going primal and committing an original sin in soldier paradise. It's why every BiBo game canonically opens with that gunshot sound from killing The Boss, it's eternal PTSD or whatfuckingever. The only part about 4 that isn't a shitpost is when Eva goes on and on about the religious imagery bullshit. Big Boss is the only Kojima protagonist to have canonically murdered someone and it fucks him up so much his genetic clone has to atone for his sins lol lmao
I really fucking wish half the games in this series weren't garbage though. And even then the only ones that are actually fun as games are 2's VR missions, PW, GZ and V. The rest are so full of gimmicky sections they take the fun out of any playthrough and replay, it's a nightmare. I say this as someone who thinks The Wonderful 101 is the best action game of all time.
Anonymous No.719992732 >>719993147 >>720011610
>>719991426
>Be Kojima
>Job is to make video games
>I DONT WANT TO MAKE GAMU
Why do kojimafags think this is good? It was his fucking job
Anonymous No.719992859 >>719992958
>>719992450
>Solid Snake wears a bandana the same one since being in foxhound and continued to wear since the 1990s
maybe you should google what you just said and see your wrong
no shit guess what he does in the next game, becomes 90% cyborg so it clearly fell on deaf ears
mgr is a spin off peice of shit thats liked by the lowest of the lows(not even a good hack n slash)
Anonymous No.719992876 >>719993071
>>719992448
What are their arguments that it's not great?
Anonymous No.719992921 >>719993032
>>719992679
>3 is just a story about going primal and committing an original sin in soldier paradise.
no its not
Anonymous No.719992958 >>719993163
>>719992859
Listen man you are not only schizophrenic but you don't even know metal gear lore so I have no clue why you're arguing this
Anonymous No.719992976 >>719993096 >>719993218
>>719992489
>Very grindy which was a taster of what was to come with mgsv
Ignoring the rest of your drivel this game was made for the PSP and was perfect for it
Anonymous No.719993032
>>719992921
Yeah it is. It's the anti-Rambo. You have fun fucking around with snow niggers in the jungle and eventually you kill the holy mother.
Anonymous No.719993071 >>719994823
>>719992876
either not enough gameplay (mgo)
didn't like the story nanomachines! (but parriot every other nano mention) cause they wanted gay ass fucking magic, they really wanted liquid taking over ocelot and other beyond fucking stupid shit (like death stranding)
Anonymous No.719993096
>>719992976
All of what I've said have been universally agreed upon to be flaws of peace walker. At the risk of stating the clique if guess it's a good game but not a good mgs game
Anonymous No.719993103
>>719974705
original snake
Anonymous No.719993113
>>719992679
Snake's story as a whole is about making up for other peoples' sins. It's not just Big Boss, but Zero and even Liquid. He's spent his entire life atoning for what other people did. He got a raw deal.
Anonymous No.719993147 >>719993391 >>719993457 >>719993635 >>720004512 >>720010858
>>719992732
MGS4 was supposed to be written and done by other staff, and that fell through for reasons that are still vague, but come down to "death threats" and "outside pressures".
Here's what MGS was supposed to look like.
>Metal Gear
>Metal Gear 2
>Metal Gear Solid
>Metal Gear Solid 2
The "Kojima Games", ones written by him and telling the story Kojima had in mind.
>Metal Gear Solid 3
A passing of the torch, with its assistance from Shuyo Murata and its introduction of the real Patriots (they were always planned to be that).
>Portable Ops
The interquel between MGS3 and MGS4, which further sets up the true Patriots.
>Metal Gear Solid 4
The first fully fledged mainline game that would not deeply involve Kojima.
This is where it all went to hell. It's also not even the first or last time Kojima gave a lot of creative control to people outside the series.

>Twin Snakes
Kojima let Silicon Knights do what they wanted to do.
>Metal Gear Solid: Rising
Was another MGS4 type attempt at having KojiPro handle the big console MG title on their own, without Kojima, and this time it would be an interquel between MGS2 and 4 about Raiden. Obviously, it failed and Platinum took over.
>Peace Walker
Kojima planned for this to be another 'final Metal Gear game' early on, with Itoh Keikaku penned to do a novel adaptation combining MGS3 and PW (like he had done for MGS4), but Keikaku died before PW even came out and so Kojima could not pass the baton so to speak.

It's incredibly unfortunate honestly. Kojima spent about a decade prepping the series to be handed off to the next guy and it never happened, which is why he just completely did his own thing with MGSV.
Anonymous No.719993163
>>719992958
>Listen man you are not only schizophrenic but you don't even know metal gear lore so I have no clue why you're arguing this
your wrong cock sucker just enjoy being wrong
Anonymous No.719993212 >>719995218
>>719990039
>allowed to live as a man instead of a weapon.
doesn't he die like right after and gets put on a katana in MGR
Anonymous No.719993218
>>719992976
no it wasn't it was just monster hunter with a snake skin
Anonymous No.719993243 >>719993359 >>719993426 >>719993482 >>719995006
went back to MGSV for the 5th time and I still hate the gameplay. no clue how it has the reputation it does, controls are bad, animations are bad, levels are bad etc
Anonymous No.719993280 >>719993460 >>719994128
>>719992489
if you're playing hd you need to play as naked snake to actually give the AI a fighting chance, the default camos are too broken when you can actually aim past 10 feet and hit headshots with the tranq sniper
at least the bosses are straightforward shootouts. HD version is worth playing just for the voiced codecs though yeah
the monster hunter grind to see paz in her undies is the only part of the game that sucks
Anonymous No.719993359
>>719993243
mgsv has a 7.5 and 10% finsh rate on ps and pc its just shilled here cause its a playground, a sandbox for retards (trans)
Anonymous No.719993391 >>719993510
>>719993147
>Kojima spent about a decade prepping the series to be handed off to the next guy and it never happened
really feels like there was a never a chance for it to happens desu.

Survive is pure dookie, but even if it was the best game ever, i don't think people would've liked it either.
Anonymous No.719993393
>>719973179 (OP)
The opening of Ground Zeros where you take a tour of not-Guantanamo Bay while the Joan Baez song plays is so cool I just wish the game had a good story along with the rest of V.
Anonymous No.719993426 >>719993470 >>719993497
>>719993243
The controls are amazing, literally best in series. It's the one part of the game that isn't bad.
Anonymous No.719993457 >>719993823 >>719993908
>>719993147
>its introduction of the real Patriots (they were always planned to be that
imagine being this stupid
Anonymous No.719993460
>>719993280
>straightforward shootouts
Like they are designed for groups of people so you're taking on a helicopter that can tank 20 rpg shots somehow, because it's monster hunter with a metal gear solid coat of paint
I say this as someone that fucking hates monster hunter
Anonymous No.719993470 >>719994875
>>719993426
4 had better controls
Anonymous No.719993482
>>719993243
why hate the gameplay? it's straightforward but still fun. if you think it's too easy s rank missions with reflex off and true stealth
Anonymous No.719993497 >>719993893
>>719993426
its fucking bad dude. d-pad to switch weapons? like what the fuck??
Anonymous No.719993510
>>719993391
There were many chances for it to happen. Right after 2, the game partially about passing the torch on to others, would be the most obvious.
Anonymous No.719993627
>>719983221
>honestly, the twins don't actually look like Big Boss clones at all in 1.
They all have the same fucking face. They just don't have Big Boss's haircut or beards. It always annoyed me that Big Boss was given a MGS2-ish hairstyle in MGS3 and a bandana to begin with, actually.
Anonymous No.719993635 >>719993823
>>719993147
If he plan that Patriot's reveal from the start then not only is he even dumber than I thought but he didn't set up the fucking reveal well at all. Guess he hoped someone else would do that.
Anonymous No.719993730 >>720004671
it's sad that Ground Zeros a fucking demo is the best metal gear solid game
Anonymous No.719993750 >>719993794
>>719990369
But Meryl isn’t in MGS2
Anonymous No.719993794
>>719993750
lol
Anonymous No.719993823 >>719994090
>>719993457
They were.
That's why PO already leaned so heavily on MGS3 being the link to the Patriots. Because PO was planned with MGS3 in mind, and MGS3 was written with a, at the time, awareness that the MGS story would continue beyond Kojima into continuing a storyline that he personally didn't care to continue. PO literally ends on a stinger that confirms Ocelot and Big Boss are founding members of the Patriots.
>>719993635
See above.
Cute hints like The Philosopher's Legacy which sets up an explanation for "They all died... a hundred years ago.", stuff like "Who are the Patriots?" -> "La Li Lu Le Lo", shit like that.
PO was the connective tissue that would lead into MGS4's full confirmation of it.
Anonymous No.719993834
>>719976594
for me, its olive drab naked snake
Anonymous No.719993893
>>719993497
just rebind shooting to r1/l1 and item switching to l2/r2
send the binoculars and the codec to the dpad
I have no idea why they did that other than most of the dialogue being codec calls lol lmao
Anonymous No.719993908
>>719993457
maybe he didn't play 2
Anonymous No.719993981
>>719974705
genetic memory of damaged bodypart
Anonymous No.719994008
>>719981329
>revealing that maybe Big Boss never entirely left the US establishment,
The issue with Miller (and PW in general really) is that Big Boss being in control of Outer Heaven is supposed to be a surprise to more or less everybody. It's harder to justify Big Boss commanding FOXHOUND without anyone knowing about his connections to Outer Heaven now.
Anonymous No.719994090 >>719994317 >>719994358
>>719993823
That's not enough to make that work, you needed to develop these characters enough to make it believable they would do that, give them stronger motivation, etc. The lack of that is why most everyone hates the twist. Because turning comedy side characters into the monstrous embodiment of the deep state is retarded. Explaining who the Patriots are at all is retarded but the explanation they came up with is especially retarded.
Anonymous No.719994107
why does Miller have two separate full names?
Anonymous No.719994128
>>719993280
>HD version is worth playing just for the voiced codecs though yeah
The PSP also had that. It just depended on which option you chose during installation.
Anonymous No.719994198
the patriots should have always remained a mystery
Anonymous No.719994285
>>719992489
I like PW for the most part, but the bosses are a chore. I liked being able to approach the escorted mechs in multiple ways though. I think it works better as a PMC-simulator than MGSV does. Either way at least it's better than Portable Ops.
Anonymous No.719994317 >>719994549
>>719994090
>PEOPLE run the deep state and they did it with good intentions
Is actually believable. Zero in V is a kino character.
>>719981329
MGSV isn't even really about the public construction of the meme. It's a more raw idea about the actual gory cost algorithms and stories can have on people. It's also about living in this nature and transcending it. If you think about it the game just retells the best themes from 1 and 2 without really pulling any punches or showing it as anything more than an absolute tragedy.
Anonymous No.719994358 >>719994653
>>719994090
And again, the version of MGS4 that was made was not the one that was supposed to be made.
What Kojima wanted to write about was explicitly not the Patriots, so he made them a footnote and instead wrote more explicitly about Solid Snake, Otacon, Raiden, and Meryl.
The explanation was just never done.
You can hate Kojima for it I guess, but he was explicit about his disinterest in the whole idea and he was forced to make MGS4 anyways.
Anonymous No.719994378
>>719981438
It actually ended with MG2, everything else is just fan fiction bullshit.
Anonymous No.719994549 >>719995089
>>719994317
Portraying the Deep State conspiracy as being founded with good intentions is retarded. Either way by V it's too little too late to develop the character and conflict with Big Boss and the rest, not to mention it's conveyed in a very boring way. Cassette tapes. Most of the reveals in that game are about how he lost control if everything anyway. Which is a decent idea on it's own, he created a system that outlived him and went out of his control, that's very realistic. But again, the issue is with the fact that it's Zero, a shallow James Bond reference character being used for all this. He can't support the weight of the role being forced onto him.
Anonymous No.719994653 >>719994768 >>719994874
>>719994358
He wasn't forced to explain it though. He chose to do all that himself. He was forced to make MGS4, he wasn't forced to make it so stupid.
Anonymous No.719994768 >>719994915
>>719994653
>He was forced to make MGS4
it's his job to make video games
Anonymous No.719994823
>>719993071
Sounds like retarded shit
Anonymous No.719994829 >>719994960
>Ages especially fast and lost a massive chunk of his life
>Can't even relax and find peace until the last fucking 3 weeks of his life
>Has back problems
>Gets called old and gets his confidence shattered
>Gets his face burnt as he tries to protect his mom, she still dies
>Has to take a stabilizing shot every 30 minutes
>Goes through a microwave chamber and probably gets even more cancer than he already has from all the cigarettes
>Tries to kill himself, gets interrupted by his dad as he receives the largest exposition dump in video game history
>Still has to eat Sunny's shitty eggs
Bro my man Solid Snake just wanted to hang out with his dogs and go sledding.
Anonymous No.719994874
>>719994653
>He was forced to make MGS4, he wasn't forced to make it so stupid.
He quite literally was forced to include all the Patriots shit since the Patriots are the only reason a game like MGS4 exists.
Anonymous No.719994875 >>719997053
>>719993470
>roll on x
no
Anonymous No.719994882
>>719977165
nah. people didnt like faggot Raiden especially that Titanic bullshit. that's why they turned him into a ninja cyborg.
Anonymous No.719994915
>>719994768
>it's his job to make video games
And he wanted to make other video games retard.
Anonymous No.719994937 >>719995291
does death stranding 2 rank anywhere near the metal gear games?
Anonymous No.719994949
>>719973179 (OP)
the nortubel of the mgs series
Anonymous No.719994960 >>719995181
>>719994829
what happened to those dogs anyway?
Anonymous No.719994979 >>719995017
>Snake is an old man way past his prime
>Still the greatest soldier around
Anonymous No.719995006
>>719993243
it gets better after the hospital, be patient
Anonymous No.719995017
>>719994979
>bro's never heard of lebron
Anonymous No.719995089 >>719995402
>>719994549
The cassette tapes are a good way of depicting how the delivery of facts works for a tired schizoid mind. If there are two artistic choices I feel almost no one understands about Peace Walker and The Phantom Pain it's their gamification of war (this one people tend to get), their focus on red/blue contrasts (harder to understand) and their detached schizoid delivery focused almost exclusively on the paranoid and aural. Goals, hopes and conversations are delegated to the backseat of a Sony Walkman, an inner world, a function of analog (and then digital) data broken down into comprehensible sine waves through Fourier magic. A shared moment between you and the character: neither gets something real.
It took long enough but for a series about paranoid espionage the delivery finally got there.
>Portraying the Deep State conspiracy as being founded with good intentions is retarded.
I don't think so. I think even back in the day our actual rulers wanted something good for us after wrecking so much of the world. Cybernetics showed promise, the rest were power plays as the role necessitates.
Anonymous No.719995181
>>719994960
knowing kojima's hatred for Solid Snake, probably killed and beheaded
Anonymous No.719995218 >>719995318 >>719995350 >>719995526
>>719993212
MGR is set four years later and it's not clear if or when Snake died
Anonymous No.719995291
>>719994937
No
Anonymous No.719995318
>>719995218
if he was alive he would have been the MC
>but he was an old man
Nanomachines son
Anonymous No.719995350
>>719995218
Snake very likely died by MGR. He body was basically falling apart during 4 so there's no way in hell he survived another 4 years
Anonymous No.719995402 >>719997175 >>719997195
>>719995089
I think he just put them on audio tapes because it was the style at the time, audio logs very popular in games, and also because he spent decades being criticized for long cut scenes and codec calls, most of all in 4. the game made right before PW and V. Like putting a bunch of important shit on tapes you listen to is not really new or unique idea here, I don't think it's effectively schizophrenic and paranoid in what way you imply, not sure you know what your talking about using these words so much. 2 seemed to do a far better job at that stuff.
Anonymous No.719995458
>>719976905
>stars Raiden as a brand new Philanthropy Operative (now with the new codename of Silver Fox) going around the world deactivating Metal Gear bases and production facilities, he's still as dude not a cum blooded cyborg
>each level would be a Ground Zeroes style playground maybe with different secondary objectives to unlock new stuff
>Sunny rescue can be one of those missions
>Liquid Ocelot and the AI Patriots can still be the main bad guys but Liquid has actually completely taken over (no hypnotism bullshit) and it's just Cam Clarke doing the voice
>the ally Ninja character would be cyborg solidus
>Snake would be the main radio contact having the Col. Campbell he's still a bit older but doesn't suffer from accelerated aging.
Anonymous No.719995459
>>719973179 (OP)
I can't be the only person on the planet who is deeply bothered by how the Solid Eye clips into Snake's nose.
Anonymous No.719995526 >>719996430
>>719995218
The japanese version of MGR got an exclusive DLC sword with Snake's soul inside it where he comments on things as you play. Its heavily implied he's died which isnt surprising because his body was rapidly falling apart at the end of 4 due to the age acceleration
Anonymous No.719996430 >>719997125 >>719997198
>>719995526
>The japanese version of MGR got an exclusive DLC sword with Snake's soul
that's retarded
Anonymous No.719997053
>>719994875
why yes
Anonymous No.719997125 >>719998303 >>720002121
>>719996430
reminder ppl wanted this gay magic shit over nanos
Anonymous No.719997175
>>719995402
he put them on audio tapes because more than being the style at the time they didn't interrupt gameplay. MGSV wants to be one continuous in-game shot so you can't have anything happening that isn't immediate to the plot.
it's also a game about a mindbroken schizo owned by big daddy boss though
Anonymous No.719997195 >>719998897
>>719995402
>audio tapes
that you cant play as you play the game
they was fucking trash and not even worth a listen
Anonymous No.719997198 >>719997386
>>719996430
>Psychic that breaks the fourth wall
>a man getting possessed by a ghost through an arm
>magical bullet deflection
>an immortal vampire
>the literal cure to cancer being a footnote that is never brought up again
>Metal Gear REX existing solely because of anime
>a fat man on rollerblades who plants bombs
>cyborg ninjas (plural)
>the psychic from before coming back as a ghost
>another psychic also coming back as a ghost several times
>both living in dolls you can use as weapons
>Les Enfants Terribles

>a sword with a ghost in it is a step too far
Anonymous No.719997236
>>719976594
>facial hair
That's Big Boss.
Anonymous No.719997371
>>719973179 (OP)
Didn't hate him though, he got to keep on living.
Anonymous No.719997386
>>719997198
you think fat man played bombergirl
Anonymous No.719997439
>>719976594
I am also Solid Snake
Anonymous No.719997498
Kekjima can't write
Anonymous No.719998160 >>719998991
>>719973179 (OP)
Translator fixed and made improvements to Kojima's writing for MGS and ever since then he's been spoilt to his eyes probably.
MGS2 theme found to have been stolen from a Russian musician and someone commented asking if clones have souls and that may have been the nail in the coffin for Solid Snake as Kojima shifted away from writing about him and more onto Naked Snake and more human supported cast.
Anonymous No.719998251
>>719975309
PO is a bit questionable but alright, GZ is the prologue for TPP, not it's own game.
Anonymous No.719998253 >>719998686
>>719976905
You can't do MGS4 in the present because kojima didn't finish the back story in 3 and instead just spat it out as dialogue exposition. Even if you change everything about the patriots back story you still have to make snake eater 2 because MGS3 doesn't connect to the anthology by itself and is too isolated as a story. So in Nu MGS4 zero acquires the legacy and forms the patriots, and he falls out with big boss over the events of a mission, you can even make it big boss's fault but he's getting even for zero tricking him into killing the boss. Do shit people expect, like big boss and ocelot formally becoming friends, fox forming foxhound, and big boss acquiring plans or a scientist that gives him a taste of metal gear. None of this complicated MSF/diamond dogs bullshit which is just reinventing the wheel. Cut huey from this backstory, there is nothing remotely necessary about otacon's dad being in the story.
Anonymous No.719998303 >>719998914 >>719999135 >>720001685 >>720002121
>>719997125
>reminder ppl wanted this gay magic shit over nanos

BECAUSE WHAT'S THE POINT WHEN SUPERNATURAL SHIT IS ALREADY WELL ESTABLISHED
AND SUPERNATURAL SHIT STILL EXISTS THAT ISNT EXPLAINED BY NANOMACHINES OR VOCAL CORD PARASITES
MAKING THE WHOLE FUCKING RETCON POINTLESS AND RETARDED
FUCK YOU
Anonymous No.719998686 >>719999242
>>719998253
>MGS3 doesn't connect to the anthology by itself and is too isolated as a story
It's connected enough, it tells enough about BB and what sparked his disdain of fighting for his nation that eventually evolved into him founding is merc land.
I don't give a flying dick fuck about how many units he was part of and how many bases he built that's completely redudant.
Anonymous No.719998897
>>719997195
you what mate
you can play every tape while on the map
Anonymous No.719998914 >>719999084 >>720005352
>>719998303
Nanomachines never retconned shit
They were used to explain Vamp's healing properties, but that does nothing about his ability to stand and run on water
As for Ocelot's possession, that is still real as of MGS4. You just have to pay enough attention to realize that his arm is now cybernetic (this is literally put right in your face when he takes his coat off). Liquid was trouble so they removed his arm, but used his possession as a facade to fool the Patriots

Vocal chord parasites are the real retcon material
And it's not even a good one 'cause despite spending a long time trying to explain it, it just doesn't make sense
Anonymous No.719998991 >>719999205 >>719999307
>>719998160
>Translator fixed and made improvements to Kojima's writing for MGS and ever since then he's been spoilt to his eyes probably.
Yeah, he really isn't well regarded outside the west at all and that's the entire reason why.
MGS1-3 were saved in the translations. Nobody really cares about his other games, only the BIGGEST Kojima cocksuckers talk about Snatcher and Policenauts, and every game after 3 had incredibly literal, 1:1 translations, whereas the original three were basically rewritten to be good in English.

He's just not a good writer, and it'd do well for people to realize that.
>"I think that if you're ripping off Tom Clancy, it's...Tom Clancy is Tom Clancy, he deserves all the money and fame. The guy has worked hard. Writing is hard work. So to shoot out a bunch of these kinds of things, that we've been talking about, and then claim yourself as a writer when...And you know, there's good work being done in games. I think Portal is really well written, very beautifully written, but Kojima's stuff is...Fine, be a game creator, and know what you're not very good at, and learn to work with people who are. Stanley Kubrick, famously, the one thing he could not do was write. He could do everything else, but he didn't know how to write, so he worked with good writers, and worked with them in a very sort of relentless partnership. He knew his limits. I don't think Kojima's a writer. The fact that he would even be considered one shows how low the standards are in the game industry. Nothing in MGS2 is above a fanfic level. He wouldn't last a morning in a network TV writers' room, and those aren't exactly turning out the Dark Tower series or The Wire."
Anonymous No.719999084 >>719999728
>>719998914
what doesn't make sense? vocal chord parasites are FOXDIE and nanomachines in one
Anonymous No.719999135
>>719998303
>redditbob poster wants le quirky magic over based and factual midichlorians
Anonymous No.719999205
>>719998991
Murata helped a lot of Kojima's writing. If anything it's the translation that completely fucks up Peace Walker, though GZ/TPP have genuinely decent writing, especially dialogue.
MGS2, 3 and 4 are embarrassing.
Anonymous No.719999242
>>719998686
Right but what I mean is why is that useful information that you can use to build the foundation for MGS4 after the events of MGS2? In the end of MGS3 you learn that a dead bad guy who's been dead before MGS1 wasn't a bad person when he was young. That's it. It doesn't expound on the situation of our heroes vs the patriots and what is the next move. And if MGS4 did what people wanted, and didn't pull the shit with the MGS3 support cast being the patriots, then MGS3 would literally be a prequel spin off. It would be like watching star wars episode 1 before return of the jedi and episode 2 and 3 don't exist or get made later or something. It doesn't add anything to the finale of the story.
Anonymous No.719999307 >>719999358 >>719999704 >>719999973 >>720001812
>>719998991
I played a few hours of Policenauts and it's definitely good. It's just no Metal Gear. Kojima is a brilliant ideas guy who needs talented writers to refine what he does. Without those gifted writers Metal Gear would have been roughly as good as Policenauts or Death Stranding.
Anonymous No.719999345 >>719999883
was Kojima actually mad about the "Did you rike it?" meme?
Anonymous No.719999358 >>719999495
>>719999307
Proves
>only the BIGGEST Kojima cocksuckers talk about Snatcher and Policenauts,
Anonymous No.719999495
>>719999358
I didn't even say Policenauts was great
Kojima haters really are kind of shocking with how weird they are
Anonymous No.719999704 >>719999823
>>719999307
>as good as Policenauts or Death Stranding.
Anonymous No.719999728 >>719999898
>>719999084
There's a huge logistical problem in the parasite's ability to discern between different languages, in the first place.
(And from a narrative perspective, the written word completely dismantles Skull Face's plan, but the plot and characters conveniently forget they can communicate nonverbally.)
Second, the parasites somehow being capable of altering the host in supernatural ways, particularly in ways which are unique to each host, is patently ridiculous.
Anonymous No.719999823 >>720000240
>>719999704
It is. The style of the game is great, music is very atmospheric, yes it's a rip off of a movie but that's basically what makes it good. The adventure game elements are even done better than most adventure games of that era and aged better than most of them. It's obviously good
Anonymous No.719999883
>>719999345
he stopped using english in any interviews and used a translator for everything afterward so probably
tons of people think he can't speak english at all now so guess it worked
Anonymous No.719999898 >>720000843
>>719999728
It's a microcosm of an organic entity being cybernetically guided to a purpose but not being entirely deterministic.
That said the written word still requires thinking of the word which means subvocalization. Your vocal chords move ever so slightly whenever you "think" in language, that's what makes the idea less obviously silly.
Body horror anime superpowers are still silly, mind you. But it's a cool idea that leads to a lot of gore so it gets a pass from me.
Anonymous No.719999973 >>720000458
>>719999307
I think this is pretty delusional. Kojima writes the vast majority of every game. I don't get the desire to imagine that some secondary hacks who never did anything of note in their careers outside of working with Kojima are secretly what made the games good.
Anonymous No.720000240 >>720000962
>>719999823
It's visual novel, nigga, and a fucking shit one at that. I clicked and read every piece of text in it and can tell you it's fucking dogshit soulless jap writing without a drop of personality of excitement. Death Stranding is the same shit. And Metal Gear Solid. This cunt faced bug man can't write anything good.
Anonymous No.720000458
>>719999973
>I don't get the desire to imagine that some secondary hacks who never did anything of note in their careers outside of working with Kojima are secretly what made the games good.
It's not just about who's working on it. Often it's about the specific creative relationship that forms between all the people involved on a project. If you think I'm lying, go read interviews from musicians and game creators and look at how often they mention organization, team structure, and creative process. This is why in game dev there's no studio that just constantly makes great games, and even the most beloved devs like Team Silent changed radically in quality as members came and left. If you've never done a creative project with others it's hard to understand how much this matters
Anonymous No.720000843 >>720001448
>>719999898
>That said the written word still requires thinking of the word which means subvocalization. Your vocal chords move ever so slightly whenever you "think" in language, that's what makes the idea less obviously silly.
No this is even stupider
Not only are the parasites somehow capable of distinguishing human language, but also they recognize virtually undetectable movements of the vocal chords as being that language
To say nothing of the fact that the vocal chords are only one part of language. Most of it happens in the mouth, where the movements of your jaw, lips and tongue shape the sounds coming through our vocal chords. The chords themselves are not making these language sounds.
Anonymous No.720000962
>>720000240
Ugh you sound antisemitic
Anonymous No.720001448 >>720001946 >>720002789
>>720000843
A parasite that learns to detect specific movements in the larynx sounds like a relatively plausible thing. It doesn't detect actual spoken word so much as the throat movements you make when speaking, reading or thinking in a language. It also mirrors the idea some people like Cormac McCarthy have had on how language is a lot like a parasite in itself and we're its hosts.
MGSV has some dumb ideas but the whole vocal chord parasite thing is more scientifically sound and far less stupid than nanomachines desu
Anonymous No.720001685
>>719998303
just dont say what the magic shit is its never gonna be anthing good
like the other anon said vamp sure heals him but who gives a fuck about the running on water only spooks want to know that
Anonymous No.720001812 >>720001980 >>720002128
>>719999307
zoe wasnt badly written from what I remember
Anonymous No.720001946 >>720002043 >>720002172
>>720001448
>It doesn't detect actual spoken word so much as the throat movements you make when speaking, reading or thinking in a language.
Which makes it even more difficult to believe that they can figure out the difference between, say, Mandarin and Cantonese. How much do you need to speak before an identifiable pattern emerges, much less one that's unmistakable from any other language?
How can it be possible to train the parasite to target only one language, and never have it false-positive any other?
Anonymous No.720001980 >>720002105
>>720001812
zoe wasn't kojima but it was kino nonetheless
if you want bad writing go take a look at the mg spinoffs like portable ops or acid though
acid 1 and 2 are really fucking dumb
Anonymous No.720002043
>>720001946
but french have words that sound like english so do the germs
Anonymous No.720002105 >>720002172
>>720001980
>acid 1 and 2 are really fucking dumb
shut the fuck up acid is based who gives a fuck about reading in a card game
Anonymous No.720002121 >>720005557
>>719997125
>>719998303
who gives a shit if it's supernatural or not. It's all bullshit nonsense to justify having cool fun shit in my army game
Anonymous No.720002128
>>720001812
it wasn't, it was mostly just bland.
If you've ever seen a scifi story with a young protagonist, you've already seen everything ZoE's story has to offer before.
Anonymous No.720002172
>>720001946
I can imagine them only getting over stimulated by a specific sequence of stimuli in succession after being trained specifically in one language. Like the off french word in English wouldn't trigger them just like they'd feel a difference between Portuguese and Spanish, or English and German. Languages despite sharing a good deal in their semantic roots do have pretty marked differences. Skullface would have to make parasites for both brits and burgers though.
>>720002105
Based take.
Anonymous No.720002789
>>720001448
Please do not refer to memes as parasites. It's unfair and mean because they are very good symbiotes who wish us well and help us.
Anonymous No.720002884
>>719976920
Shut the fuck up, Kojimbles.
Anonymous No.720003282
>>719978854
Smash Bros and its consequences have been a disaster for Solid Snake depictions in other media.
Anonymous No.720003365
>>719980425
The first parts are just the leaked MGS: Rising plot.
Anonymous No.720003480
>>719982730
Yes and it was awful.
Anonymous No.720003556
>>719983632
>>719988154
Retards
Anonymous No.720003739
>>719990369
Was more of a stubble rather than the full proper beard Big Boss has, to go with the unkempt appearance he had.
Anonymous No.720004032
>>719992489
The problem with being able to grind upgradeable weapons is that bosses then become either retarded damage sponges or too easy once you level up them up enough times. Without that shit weapons and bosses will simply have the ideal values for the best intended experience. Really wish the former hadn't carried over into MGSV.
Anonymous No.720004512 >>720007092 >>720008787
>>719993147
>Was another MGS4 type attempt at having KojiPro handle the big console MG title on their own, without Kojima, and this time it would be an interquel between MGS2 and 4 about Raiden. Obviously, it failed and Platinum took over.
I know it's extremely unlikely but I still wish the original MGS:R would get revived at some point. Always found it pretty silly how Revengeance pretended this body was more futuristic than the MGS4 one when it was obviously originally made to look like a crude prototype to the more sleek futuristic aesthetics of Metal Gear cyborgs.
Anonymous No.720004671 >>720004856
>>719993730
All I wanted was just a bunch of GZ scale maps in MGSV. The open world mostly meant worthless empty space with barely anything other than small outposts..
Anonymous No.720004740 >>720008549
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NOaSh1-d9gc
Anonymous No.720004856 >>720005471
>>720004671
Both maps have enough good bases desu. The mansion and the airfield in Africa are highlights for me. Also OKB Zero and the power plant.
Anonymous No.720005275 >>720010286
Are we pretending Old Snake isn't cool?
Anonymous No.720005352
>>719998914
>They were used to explain Vamp's healing properties, but that does nothing about his ability to stand and run on water
I always assumed the nanos also enhanced him in general.
Anonymous No.720005471
>>720004856
The mansion, while cool, suffers from MGSV clearly not being designed with indoors sneaking in mind.
Anonymous No.720005557 >>720005720
>>720002121
>who gives a shit if it's supernatural or not. It's all bullshit nonsense to justify having cool fun shit in my army game
well everytime theres a mgs4 thread theres some faggot going muh maigc
Anonymous No.720005720 >>720007184
>>720005557
I never really cared too much about that stuff, was always a fan of theme of manmade terrors slowly overtaking the more fantastic stuff. Certainly better than the parasites at least. Besides, the likes of Mantis and The Sorrow were always supernatural and no attempt to retcon that was ever made.
Anonymous No.720007092 >>720008787
>>720004512
the desgin is such a downgrade from 4
Anonymous No.720007184
>>720005720
>Mantis and The Sorrow were always supernatural and no attempt to retcon that was ever made.
yeah its fine they dont need to tell us what it is and like you said it doesnt need to be resi bio shit
Anonymous No.720008019 >>720008141 >>720008346
Did they actually make the team from MGS3 the patriots? I've only played 2 and 3, that feels anticlimactic. Revealing who they are almost defeats the purpose thematically.
Anonymous No.720008141
>>720008019
yeah, and paramedic is the one who experimented on gray fox and started the les enfant terrible project after Big Boss didn't give her cock. Zero is the one who destroyed the world btw
Anonymous No.720008346
>>720008019
>patriots
are fucking AI
the team is just cipher that made the AI then it took over and did whatever the fuck it wanted till that nigga in the river took control of it
Anonymous No.720008549
>>720004740
Kino.
Anonymous No.720008787 >>720008982 >>720009104
>>720004512
>>720007092
To be fair, even the CODEC calls do acknowledge that it looks crude by saying it was a rushed job meant to put him back in the field as fast as possible. The epilogue then implies Raiden goes back to an MGS4-like sleeker design.
Anonymous No.720008982 >>720009413
>>720008787
nah rising is also just an ugly game like look at raiden there, he doesnt look like raiden
Anonymous No.720009104 >>720009413
>>720008787

see looks nothing like him his face/head has just gottten bigger
Anonymous No.720009205
no one has posted the kino yet so I will
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iCOxzBu0f48
Anonymous No.720009306
>>719989638
Because she's a woman?
Anonymous No.720009413 >>720009549
>>720008982
>>720009104
I meant the body, since it now can again go inside a suit unlike the spiky shit from the MGR design. His face looking more human was already an MGS4 thing.
Anonymous No.720009549 >>720009650 >>720010681
>>720009413
I just brought it up cause of the pic and was like god damn they gave him more of a trans look in R
Anonymous No.720009650 >>720009845
>>720009549
It's probably the puckered lips.
Anonymous No.720009725
>>719973179 (OP)
Solid Snake is Kojima's self-insert, of course he's going to hate him a little bit
Anonymous No.720009845 >>720010017
>>720009650
suken in cheek bones
the cat like nip eyes
like you said the lips and also the crimson chin
hair is also trash
Anonymous No.720009907
I can fall in love, if it's for the mission...Even with you.
Anonymous No.720010017 >>720010154
>>720009845
Yeah now that I think about it, his human face in MGS4 looked a lot better.
Anonymous No.720010154
>>720010017
he has make up on there and looks less gay
Anonymous No.720010286 >>720011154
>>720005275
The coolest, and the Octocamo outfit rocks.
Anonymous No.720010289 >>720011289
>In the original MS4 ending we had that after succeeding in their mission Snake and Otacon were captured and sent to death row, the song that plays at the start of GZ was supposed to play during their execution
Thank god people convinced Kojima not to do it
Anonymous No.720010303
>>719980546
>He can be more expressive than Solid Snake.
Except he isn't. I dont even know why Kojima said this when you can go back and look at Snake in MGS1 2 and 4 and see that he's insanely more expressive than genuine autist Big Boss
Probably the wildest thing Kojima has ever said honestly
Anonymous No.720010681
>>720009549
It's so fangirls could ship him with Sam more readily. Those two were literally custom built and designed down to the last detail for fangirls to ship together
Anonymous No.720010858
>>719993147
>Twin snakes
Worse, it was a more faithful remake but Kojima had a hissy fit and told them to make it their own. So they reworked it into a really shitty 2000s action movie with backflips every 20 seconds
Anonymous No.720011032
>>719977935
>Less fun
subjective. It had more gameplay than previous games due to the balancing of cargo and items. Plus I liked DS1 for what it is. I do not do that compare and contrast stuff.
Anonymous No.720011092
>>719980982
Someone never played MGS1 lol. I swear all Kojima haters never play his games.
Anonymous No.720011154
>>720010286
I love OctoCamo. Kinda cool that you could use it online as Snake too.
Anonymous No.720011183
Anonymous No.720011215
bros, naomi, para-medic, and eva had a 4some with me
Anonymous No.720011289 >>720011696
>>720010289
>the song that plays at the start of GZ was supposed to play during their execution
Which one again
Anonymous No.720011610
>>719992732
When a game developer stops making a game out of passion and only does it because it's their "job," that is when you get slop.
Anonymous No.720011629 >>720012080
The series ended at part three. That's it. There are no other games. You are, all of you, hallucinating.
Anonymous No.720011696
>>720011289
The one in the picture, you dumb anon
Anonymous No.720012080 >>720012287
>>720011629
3 is boring and shit keep it down kid
Anonymous No.720012287 >>720012554
>>720012080
I would slap the hell out of you irl
Anonymous No.720012554
>>720012287
you'll do NOTHING
Anonymous No.720012578
>>719973179 (OP)
where the fuck is the vol 2 collection with MGS4?
Anonymous No.720013098
>>719976905
>MGS3 is done and MGS4 is entering pre-pre-production. You are bodysnatched into Kojima's body. You have to make up the absolute basis for the story for MGS4. Describe it in 2-4 sentences.

Portable Ops and Peace Walker on the PS3. Combine them into a single game and make them a PS3 game + MGO2.

>Act 1: Portable Ops style mission
>Act 2: Breaking with CIA and going Rogue
>Act 3: Missions building Mother Base
>Act 4: DLC - More missions