Thread 720038376

>can only change crests at benches
>memory upgrades only apply to that single crest
>all the crests you find are a downgrade at worst, a sidegrade at best, compared to the starting one
How did they fuck up the implementation so bad? There's basically zero reason to swap from the starting crest, especially once you've upgraded it.

Imagine if they had on-the-fly style switching like DMC, that would be so much fucking better

Also I just want to say: if you're struggling, use your subweapons and silk skills, they're amazing for bursting enemies and especially for flying enemies. Also you can farm the two pilgrims to the left of the bench above the starting area to get 30 rosary beads and shards every minute

>>720038376 (OP)
>30 ROSARY BEADS AND SHARDS EVERY MINUTE
WOW

>>720039131
Actually it's probably closer to 50/min, it just feels slow and boring doing the same thing repeatedly

>>720039247
>SLOW AND BORING DOING THE SAME THING REPEATEDLY
REALLY?
WOW!

>>720038376 (OP)
>can only change crests at benches
Yeah that's bad
>memory upgrades only apply to that single crest
That's good
>all the crests you find are a downgrade at worst, a sidegrade at best, compared to the starting one
Arguable
>There's basically zero reason to swap from the starting crest, especially once you've upgraded it.
You get an actual pogo stick and faster hits with crest of wanderer, and since crests don't change the damage you do (which is bad btw) being able to hit faster means doing more damage

>>720039724
>since crests don't change the damage you do
No way, so the reaper one is even worse than I thought?

>>720039937

Yes. It's just the sounds that make it seem like it hits harder than it actually does.

>>720039131
Where do you think Hornet keep all those beads?

>>720040096
from what I've witnessed it has stronger knockback

>>720040493
I DON'T THINK ABOUT THE HORNET, I JUST SHIT UP THE THREADS

>>720038376 (OP)
Reaper is an upgrade, it makes pogoing way more reliable and you get free silk gen

>>720038376 (OP)
It's so stupid, why do you need benches to change crests? Isn't spending shards enough to balance the tool usage?

>>720041497
The silk gen is near useless and doesn't nearly make up for the lack of slots and way lower dps.

The pogo'ing shit is pure skill issue. Floating already makes pogo'ing way easier

>>720038376 (OP)
wanderer is better for most bosses actually, reaper is great for general exploration and anti-air, I can't think of much use for hunter

>>720041317
This is a terrible gimmick. Reminds me of Senryuu Shojo , which is about a girl who is so shy she only speaks by drawing poems on a board she hangs around with. Its dumb af.

>>720041642
AND YOU'RE GAY

>>720041642
>>720041837
PWNED

>>720041837
>>720041939
You are super lame dude, this is such a dumb idea.

>>720041594
It feels good to use.

>>720041594
upgraded hunter gives you a damage buff after you've landed enough hits on an enemy

>>720042052
How do you upgrade it? I increased all 3 memory slots, or is that something different?

>>720038376 (OP)
Why farm money on easy enemies when you can farm money on harder enemies, which drop more money and make for better practice?

>>720041993
SO MAD
SEETHING AS THEY SAY
LMAO

>>720038376 (OP)
>Imagine if they had on-the-fly style switching like DMC, that would be so much fucking better
With what free inputs on a gamepad?

>>720042219
I don't have access to any hard enemies that drop rosary beads, and if they do it's much slower than this (because this is two easy enemies directly next toa bench)

I'm not having issues with the game I just don't have enough rosaries for benches/maps and I've only lost like 100 from dying the whole game

>>720041571
The reaper crest has the same slots as the hunter one and you get better dps by being able to pogo on enemies more frequently because it's more reliable.

>>720039937
the reaper one is the best non-hunter crest
the uppercut and downslash are good and let you attack as rapidly
The uppercut can reliably clash and hit thrust attacks
The bonus after bind is very good

Still think hunter is the best though. I heard the Architect one is insane but i havent gotten it

>>720042306
right/left on right stick

>>720042306
>AIIIIIEEEEEEE I CAN'T FIGURE OUT HOW TO MAP MY CONTROLS WITH 12 BUTTONS AND A D-PAD
No excuse

>>720042358
You don't pogo most enemies when fighting. You can get way more dps by just spamming slashes with the hunter. Reaper is ass aside from a couple fights where you need the bigger hitbox

>>720042358
you had like 3 days to get good at hunter crest. it lets you pogo a lot more often and combos way better with harpoon
Also evolved hunter has an innate damage boost

>>720038376 (OP)
>Imagine if they had on-the-fly style switching like DMC, that would be so much fucking better
That's exactly what Blasphemous 2 did and it was awesome
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JJI_XvBj1aI

>>720038376 (OP)
>all the crests you find are a downgrade at worst, a sidegrade at best, compared to the starting one
Beast is dogshit, but both Wanderer and Reaper are fully viable. A poll in the threads showed that people use them more or less equally. Which is a good thing, they SHOULD all be viable.

>>720042306
The entire d-pad is unused, map could be moved to "hold select".

>>720042438
When you fight multiple enemies you are going to pogo a lot, spamming simple attacks at enemies isn't very reliable because enemies move fast so you're going to have to do acrobatics if you want good damage output.

>>720042573
Wanderer is stale desu. I wanna play as Hornet not as The Knight
it sure is powerful though
>>720042438
stuff like dash attack into pogo into normal hit lets you attack noticeably faster when using hunter crest. most crests in fact

>>720038376 (OP)
>all the crests you find are a downgrade at worst, a sidegrade at best
Wanderer effectively has dps bonus due to faster attack speed and extremely simple and convenient moveset.
The only actual downside is that it has only one red slot.

>>720042613
i use dpad instead of stick, better that way imo

allow me to fix the Beast charm
>bind no longer goes away when taking damage and now you have hyperarmor during the rage effect (enemies dont stun you when hitting you)
>when holding the saw button you get to saw enemies continuously for a few hits like in that trailer

>>720042613
People are using left stick for movement? That should be illegal

>>720042784
it gets traded off by being able to land a lot less hits against the more dynamic flying and moving enemies
But in turn its way better against the few bosses that fuck you in the ass with contact damage for trying to do hornet's fancy acrobatics

>the first game gave you 3 spells and 3 nail arts accessible at all times
>this one gives you one spell slot, 2 subweapons that are significantly worse and more limited than spells and a single charge attack
>charge attack is dog shit compared to nail arts, none of them are half as good as cyclone slash or great slash, they don't regenerate focus either
>no way to swap crests while playing, you only do it from benches, making this the most ass-backwards customization system in the genre
Genuinely want to know the logic behind this.

>>720042748
>stuff like dash attack into pogo into normal hit lets you attack noticeably faster when using hunter crest.
But you have the time of the dash to set that up and you have to find the opportunity to use that.

I find it far easier to just whack on enemies repeatedly. Depends on the boss though.

>>720038376 (OP)
>>720039724
>>720041527
>>720042559
Silksong isn't DMC or Blasphemous 2
Opportunity costs are perfectly fine, cope and get gud

>>720038376 (OP)
>There's basically zero reason to swap from the starting crest, especially once you've upgraded it.
I swapped to Reaper when I got it and have never felt the need to go back to the base one. I've gotten 4 crests now and it's almost impressive how every single one has fuck all range, the hitbox on Reapers up swing is so fucking stupid it's the only thing that really bothers me about it.

I just got up to the Last Judge and I'm pretty close to just dropping this game.

>>720042671
I'm on act 2 and never pogo in combat. That's just a crutch that teaches bad habits

>>720042983
>opportunity costs
>aka all these crests are useless so just never bother with them
Right

>>720038376 (OP)
i'm absolute shit. what chest is the "cheesiest"?

>>720042983
Opportunity cost is such a shit gameplay design, all major franchises spent most of their existence eliminating as much of it as possible

where should I use the simple keys?

>>720042986
Reaper attacks too slow, too low DPS, up attack fucking sucks, and the alternating up/down attacks on normal attacks also sucks.

Idk how people like it

>>720039937
reapers silk bonus after bind allows you to spam silk abilities more often which is more dps, maybe stop being jorno pilled

>>720042093
at the start of the game area, right side.

>>720043094
i mean crest

>>720043326
You get more silk from quicker whacks with hunter, retard, and you don't have to run around all over to get them either.

>you are muh filtered because you don't use the same loadout as me!!
Blow your fucking brains out retarded subhuman

>>720043326
All the top players are using hunter. Reaper is a noob trap

>finally get a needle upgrade
>50% of the easy mobs take 1 hit less to kill, the other half is completely unaffected
>basically does nothing against mooks that took 6+ to kill in the first place
well that was anticlimactic.

>>720038376 (OP)
>sidegrade at best
This is what they should be. They should allow you to expand your playstyle, they should not force you to replace a weapon you like.

>>720043679
>finally get charge attacks
>they don't generate silk so they are objectively fucking useless compared to just attacking two times or dashing into pongo

>>720043082
if they're useless why do you want continuous free access to them?

>>720043113
>all major franchises eliminated all friction to appeal to a mass audience
and?

>>720043735
They should give a passive upgrade to all other playstyles and have active switching. That would be actually good metroidvania design

>>720043609
I use Reaper purely to make pogo sections not be complete asscancer.

>>720038376 (OP)
It's the same issue HK had. Everything's a sidegrade with negative trade-offs for Reasons, there is no true progression. The upgrade system in both of these games fucking sucks, to the point I don't think they should be referred to as Metroidvanias at all because they've thrown out one of the core tenets of the genre.

>>720043752
Because they are better in some niche scenarios, but are overall near worthless when you have to commit to only a single crest as you'd rather just use the overall better one

>>720043752
>friction
No, they eliminated shit gameplay design that restricted the potential of their own gameplay systems. A good example is style switching in DMC

>>720043609
>the top players
On a single player game, that was released 3 days ago?

>>720043852
I had my issues with the charms in HK too and i despise that system as a whole, but the sequel takes it to an entirely new low.

>>720043876
>>720043909
opportunity costs are fundamental to games
cope and get gud

>>720044036
You can stop spamming this shit in the thread, nobody agrees with you, braindead mongoloid

They refuse to give you any substantial damage upgrades because they really want you to fight the bosses at the "correct" power level.

>>720044036
See >>720043082

It's not opportunity cost. They're just poorly balanced and pointless

>>720044124
i don't care if nobody agrees with me because i'm right

>>720044154
if they're useless you can't have a problem with the system as-is

>>720038376 (OP)
the crests are fine, the real problem is, why are all the charged attacks so bad? like you have to charge way too long and they don't even give silk back.

>>720044223
Is there a Nailmaster Glory in this game?

>>720044214
>i don't care if nobody agrees with me because i'm right
Huffing your own farts won't sway anyone's opinion. You don't want a conversation, you're an entitled child throwing a tantrum because nobody likes this shit gameplay design

>>720044223
Nan, crests are the fundamental issue with the way this game was designed, this impacts charge attacks too.

>>720044296
>shit game design
i bet you're mad about the hollow knight compass returning to take up a slot again too

>>720044365
Of course, and they even made it worse. Hence, the mods to remove this shit day one.

>>720043609
Nice try team cherry, but I'm not touching hunter for as long as it has that shitty 45 degree dive instead of a pogo.

>>720044223
just use charged attacks at full silk

Why does the needle throw use silk? Why does the needolin use silk? Why does the enhanced run use fucking silk?

>>720044439
KEK
all you care about is winning, not playing a new game

>>720044632
I care about not getting lost in samey environments with no landmarks, thank you very much.

>>720042983
well IT SHOULD BE
BECAUSE THOSE ARE GOOD GAMES

>>720044624
Because they spent 7 years playing their own game and huffed their own farts too hard. Same issue with Styg making Underrail worse to play with updates.

>>720039386
Why does everything make you so excited?

>>720043162
Do you spam silk skills or not? I gotten reaper and haven’t had any problems at all? I have a feel a lot of you people aren’t using dash into pogo a lot

>>720044671
finally a valid complaint
the marrow could use an extra landmark or two

>>720042917
Isn't it because Hornet doesn't have void powers? Looking back, the knight was an overpowered piece of shit.

>>720043609
>top players
Nigger this isn’t a game that has ranking the fuck do you mean top players?

>>720038376 (OP)
This is complete bait

>>720043790
There are passive upgrades
Keep looking
I bet you’re one of those Zelda 2 haters

>>720044624
Yea really should make the needolin to not use silk, it’s pretty much the dream nail of silksong and I like to listen to bugs sing as I play it

>>720043852
they're afraid that you'll break the game. SotN and friends are very cheesable.

>>720045104
Speaking of needolin, it's such a vast downgrade from dream nail mechanically too
Dream nail with a charm had a legit use in combat. Needolin only gives a short lived stun only for "enslaved" humanoids and only if you can safely play it for a second.

>>720044624
Because they literally both use silk? I really don’t understand how you’re not making shitloads of silk

>>720044148
If you really want to commit to a nail build, get the poison and equip Flintstate and Fleabrew. Either will give you around 4-8 DPS. Using both is 10 dps or more if you're good.

>>720045220
Well isn’t the purpose of it to stop attacks?

>>720045071
>There are passive upgrades
There are passive upgrades for particular crests, it doesn't make the sidegrades any more desirable. The only way to make shit like Beast desirable is by allowing you to have two crest slots and allowing you to swap between them in combat.

>>720045320
It won't stop anything unless you spend a second playing and enemies are already close. It's terrible for any sort of aoe stun.

>>720044616
at full silk i'd rather use silk attacks, they do more damage and don't have to charge.

>>720044616
You should NOT be at full silk, you disperse silk with spells if you don't need to heal.

>>720039937
I've used the reaper crest from start to finish because it's the moveset I felt most comfortable with after trying out every other crest.

>>720045396
charged attacks do more damage

>>720045865
Horseshit. They don't do nearly as much damage as any of the spells.

>>720045967
idk, some enemies can be killed in one hit after using charged attacks, silk attacks take a little more.

Man, so many raw damage cunts are mad
Stop trying to minmax and play the fighting style you like, charms are not OP in this, at least as far as I’ve played

>>720046171
Nobody is trying to minmax, we want to use everything the systems have to offer instead of being restricted to a tiny part of overall moveset pool.
Fucking Dawn of Sorrow had a preset quick switching nearly 20 years ago.

>>720044624
>Why does the needle throw use silk
because you kind of want to get the needle back, so you (get this) use some silk on the handle to retrieve the needle.
there's plenty of other shit you can throw that doesn't use silk, that's what tools are for.

>>720045257
>>720046423
I was mainly thinking about the silk used up with the needle throw, which means you can't save up silk to heal during platforming sections. The needolin is whatever but the enhanced dash is just a brick with it using silk and requiring a charm slot.

>>720046303
go play Dawn of Sorrow then

Charge attacks not giving silk seems like a weird choice. That's not how it worked in HK, right?

You're not even worth a (you)

BEHOLD, the legendary difficulty of Silksong. Let's just place enemies on sections you need to be hooked to! Enemies that won't follow you down, either! I do like the game but it's this sort of shit that makes me seethe, and of course it's the usual supects of flyers.

>>720044624
needle throw is functionally just the hadouken from hk1 and that also used soul

>>720046639
Then don’t use it?
Shit make you dust as fuck in a fight and the tick is so small it’s irrelevant

>>720046770
Yes. And they also were significantly more fun and powerful. Great Slash had double the range of any charge moves here for example. Cyclone is better than all spells, subweapons and charge attacks i've seen thus far.

>>720038376 (OP)
The Architect crest is better than Hunter. The charge attack alone BTFOs other crests completely, and being able to use 3 tools and resupplying whenever is great.

Beast is nice since it plays kind of like bloodborne. I believe you do more damage too in the beast mode. The down attack is unfortunate and is unusable in some areas, but generally it's just a skill problem. Also no blue slot sucks.

>finished shellwood
>still 5 masks and no nail upgrade
what am I missing here

>>720046856
>Then don’t use it?
You're actually brain damaged, aren't you? How do you not use it for sections that require it, retard?

>>720046971
NPCs and quests?

>>720046971
>nail
fix bellhart

>>720046802
you're esl and you suck at silksong lmao

>>720046971
you haven't finished shit, you're still in the tutorial

>>720046968
If I do a second playthrough, I'm rushing Beast and the parry skill from Phantom. I WILL suffer and I WILL like it.

>>720047009
No section requires it, wtf are you on

So this is what hell looks like.

>>720045648
But I'm using architect...

>>720043465
pls help

>>720048860
no there are worse arenas than this

WTF

Nigga broke my bench

>>720038376 (OP)
A few questions bros please
The trap thing that shoots spikes is definitely busted right?
Also the Wanderer tree is 100% the best isn’t it? I just got my 4th one that gives me heal on hit but it seems mediocre like the others
And lastly, why the fuck does every single enemy hit for 2 masks, why is my damage still peanut worthy and WHERE are the charms that actually make you do interesting stuff?
Bonus one is the Hunter in this game? I got the journal and feel a bit excited that maybe he’s back and I might finally get that boss fight

>Fail platforming section
>Cocoon created
>Cocoon placed at the end of the section not at the start
Yeah, this game would be significantly improved without losing eveything on-death; it's clearly not meant to be played by losing your cocoon given how many areas have enemies that do not give rosaries, yet everything still requires them.

>>720048718
So the needle throw thing I'm thinking of is the clawline. Not sure what you're thinking of but it's mandatory. If you believe otherwise you've been dropped on your head.

>>720038376 (OP)
>reddit spacing

>>720046971
Chapter 1 is legitimately a tutorial. The game gatekeep the fuck out of all items and upgrades until chapter 2. As other anon said, you're still on tutorial.

>>720044917
>Isn't it because Hornet doesn't have void powers?
it doesn't matter, they could have pulled any excuse out of their ass if they wanted to

>>720050501
You mean the trap tool? It's also my favorite so far but I'm still in chapter 1.
Wanderer is definitely my favorite, but reaper is potentialy better for bosses with that extra silk effect.
You did upgrade your nail right? It's in bellhart. As for the charms, I got the multibinder that makes you heal 4 HP, Pollip Pouch gives your tools poison (might be good for you who like the trap), warding bell is great when you fuck up your heal, the barbed bracelet lets you deal more dmg and take more dmg, the one that removes knockback when you attack... Not all are everyone's cup of tea but they have a use

>>720046971
Hidden walls? Quest board? Buying from shops?

>>720050924
And they didn't. Because she's a different character.

Found a bug when trying to check the map after hitting a switch and falling down the trap door. I hit the switch, then quickly tapped the map button, fell through, then this happened. I am stuck holding the map and cannot move. I'm forced to quit to menu.

>>720038376 (OP)
>Also you can farm the two pilgrims to the left of the bench above the starting area to get 30 rosary beads and shards every minute
Why would you do that? You're playing a singleplayer game, why would you turn it into a boring chore?

i cant find positives for the other crests. i have wanderer, hunter and beast and beast seemed the more manageable one with its pogo and the more silk after using healing seems nice for a lot of things.

im not even entirely sure what they all do. cant find it in the tooltips anywhere

>>720038376 (OP)
Yeah, I generally agree, although I found the extra silk given by reaper crest useful against many bosses. And while generally it's suboptimal, entering hypermode and just trading attacks with Beast crest is fun, especially combined with the flea brew

>>720039724
It's the opposite. It's good you cannot change crests unless at bench, you have to commit. But memory upgrades only for one crest is bad because then you don't want to experiment as much. It's the +6 weapon upgrade in souls, garbage that is there for brainlets like you so you see number going up for no reason.

>>720052323
I was seething over this shit for a different reason yesterday
>have no problem going through the worm area before
>get the wall hopping upgrade
>which also makes hornet automatically glue to walls
>go back to the worm area later
>now I have to make sure I don't touch even a single pixel of the tight vertical corridors with falling worms because hornet will immediately stop falling and get hit by the worms
First time I see a movement upgrade actually make things worse.

>>720043609
>All the top players
Retard confirmed, opinion discarded

>Chapter 1 is the tutorial
How?
I'm almost at 75 bugs in the Pharloom bug journal

>>720042559
This Blasphemous 2 video is the equivalent of the webm of Cyberpunk 77 where the guy shakes the camera to make it look cool. And I'm saying it as someone who did 8/8 torment run.

>>720038376 (OP)
You forgot,
>Forces you to switch when you get a new one, disabling your active gear

>>720052539
sure, but the same Hornet in HK can use multiple skills, no excuse there other than "we felt like it"

What is this random crit effect I'm getting with Wanderer? I can't tell what is causing it.

>>720044148
Which is good design. The Elden Ring "let me outlevel the boss" slop needs to die.

>>720043609
The fuck is wrong with hunter that people are bitching?

>>720038376 (OP)
Big issue is simply that if you played the first game you'd go into it expecting around the same difficulty curve but instead it jumps up to difficulty of later-game HK very early on while you lack the means to deal with them. The two mask thing so early is especially prominent because it basically means that your first health upgrade is meaningless.

>The Slab
That was a neat little preview.

>>720039724
>all the crests you find are a downgrade at worst, a sidegrade at best, compared to the starting one
>Arguable
Only reaper is kind of usable and that has lower dps than hunter and you lose out on a weapon slot

Hey how do I get back into the citadel?
I went down the elevator to the underworks and climbed back out through the choral chambers but now I can’t get back in

>>720038376 (OP)
>memory upgrades only apply to that single crest
This is a total nonissue that is only a problem very early on. Crests are plentiful and there is even a mechanic you unlock that alleviates this further.

>>720053851
The amount the quest asks for is not the full number of enemies in the game

>>720054509
Get in the fucking cage.

>>720054551
Wanderer is a straight up damage upgrade to Hunter and makes pogoing much easier
Less range but I've gotten used to it

>Want the thorn traps that the big smith woman sells
>Needs a big rock
>Don't have a big rock
>Don't know where to find a big rock
>Remember the tribal hunter salesman at the top of Hunter's March
>Buy a boomerang and mask charm
>Fighting the Savage Beastfly
>Try the boomerangs
>Barely feel like they help, don't kill the adds, even well-positioned multihits on the fat one don't really do much, as far as I can tell
Is the boomerang good? I really can't tell.

>>720055175
>tribal hunter salesman
Fuck, did I miss a vendor? Thought I explored the entire area. Where is it?

What were they thinking with limiting beast crest's charm slots? The bind is risky enough to balance it out, why did they feel the need to cuck it further?

>>720055175
The boomerangs are fairly strong when you get multi hits. They aren't going to one shot bosss for you, but they are definitely worth using.

>>720054826
>I'm supposed to believe she's not filled to the brim with ugly fly bastard cum

>>720055294
Above the bench in the tall room on the east side. There's a hidden wall.

>>720055175
Most offensive tools are honestly kinda weak damage-wise untill you get a few tool kit upgrades. Boomerang can be decent against some enemies, though against that boss I found the traps working best, especially if thrown to the corner of the area where the fly often stops after charging.
>>720055294
Top left of Hunter's March, there's a pretty well hidden corridor, you have to jump against a wall to find it
>>720055517
Yup, it's really retarded. The crest kinda sucks and is very risky to use already and they gimped it further by not giving you no access to combat perks.
I still use sometimes because I find it fun, but it really is high risk with very little reward

>>720056386
In one of the rooms above the bench room, I mean, not literally in the bench room.

>>720056386
>>720056417
Thanks, I'll head over there now because I'm next to a stag station anyway

>>720056417
Beast crest has the best pogo, i don't understand why people keep saying that it sucks.

>>720056694
Delayed as fuck, low dps

I'm still using nail-only, but I feel the pull to engage with the systems more and expand my combat skills. Having to balance between healing and the spear throw seems like a tough balance to strike, but it seems to deal a lot of damage, so probably worth it.
>>720056663
Buy the mask first, thing's a godsend.

>>720055175
The boomerang has been my crutch for a lot of shitty fights, especially the ones with multiple enemies.
You can easily kill multiple adds and hit a boss several times with 1 or 2 boomerangs if you throw them at the exact distance and position to hit as many targets as possible while flying forward and backwards.
Some anons mentioned something about combining it with poison? I have no idea what that's about but I'm curious to see how it works.

>>720056741
It's not low dps and don't use it at point blank range like a tard?

>>720056663
>>720056764
Fuck, I knew that room with the shards was weird. I just didn't try running into the wall that high up

>>720046971

Masks are so spread around I couldn't tell you where to find them (but I've found 6 pieces so far and I haven't started exploring both the most western and eastern areas). The nail upgrade bug is in Bellhart (there are two more buildings above ground level)

>>720056694
Lack of safe healing, the berserk mode is hard to make good use of against very mobile or flying enemies and I found the pogo very hard to use reliably compared to the other crests, though that's certainly masterable. Plus lack of blue crests suck.

Still, against more stationary targets it's great and it's by far the most fun to use for me

>Widow
What a fantastic fight

>>720055879
>lore accurate fly try to rape hornet in her cell
>get his dick cut off by her silk binds instantly
they're smarter than that. slightly more though.

>>720038376 (OP)
the starting crest is shit, that fucking dive attack is absolute ass, i found 2 other crest so far and both of them make it much easyer to pogo jump enemies

Anything valuable in bilewater? That location feels like an absolute ass, I don't feel like going there until overgeared to shit.

>>720039937
Reaper's bigger hitboxes can be very useful sometimes. I prefer the hunter generally but like using Reaper for the Savage Beastfly fight more because the big hitbox on the down slash was very useful for maneuvering around the boss+enemies

>>720057109
You can hit enemies vertically with the pogo, you don't even need to get above them. It is not difficut to hit enemies with or use for platforming.
It is definitely too much of a nerf to not allow blue charms, i wonder what the devs saw in it to give it such an overkill downside.

>>720057832
Hunter is way better for beastfly. More reliable up attacks and way higher dps

>>720057994
>way higher dps
Wandererchads win again

>>720038376 (OP)
>style switching like DMC, that would be so much fucking better
Limitations breed creativity

>>720057672
>overgeared to shit

Funny of you to imply your character actually can get noticeably stronger. I certainly don't feel any more powerful after 15 hours (about to do Bilewater/Sinner's Path or whatever it's called)

>>720053912
Except it's literally nothing like it

>>720058175
I already played Hollow Knight, I want to play as a character with a different moveset.

Are people telling about how hunter is the best shit ever are not really far into the game? When it comes to flying enemies, the moveset is ass. Whole additional level of complexity when using pogo to parkour, specifically if there's dangerous terrain. And if flying enemies AND dangerous terrain are present (which is everywhere act 2 onwards), the game just turns into a pure misery. For some locations using hunters is Dante must die difficulty.

God i wish this stupid ass crest system didn't exist and all the major moves were a part of your base moveset.

>>720038376 (OP)
You forgot
>Getting a new crest unequips everything and you have to return to a bench to fix it
>Save point is changed to the chapel you left from

don't care
still going beast mode

Any tips for Phantom?

Can't wait for a mod that removes tool restrictions on crest slots. Imagine if, like in Hollow Knight, you could just equip what you want.

>>720062254
Always be jumping and play defensively. The parry is the worst thing Phantom does. Most of my hits were from download slashing into the area they end up. After that, it was kinda simple. They are a good Vergil, imo.

this game is so fucking RUDE

>>720063097
They made Hornet very polite to compensate for this

>>720039131
Yeah fuck that I'm just gonna hack in 99999 gorillion zenny

>>720038376 (OP)
Reaper crest is the comfiest one. /thread

>>720038376 (OP)
>he uses the compass

>>720042917
the tools do insane damage once you have a few toolkit upgrades

>>720038376 (OP)
I think that's my only real disappointment. I love the tool and subweapon system but the crests kind of suck.

>>720063228
She bitchslapped two other bugs so far in my playthrough.

I kinda hate the Reaper crest's sprint attack, plus the pogo doesn't look stylish anymore. Is the damage better at least?

>>720046423
>do platforming section
>fall into one of the hazards
>reset to start
>used up all your silk on the previous attempt
>use needle throw
>wait 2 seconds for the passive silk to regenerate
>use needle throw
>wait 2 seconds for the passive silk to regenerate
>use needle throw
>wait 2 seconds for the passive silk to regenerate
...

>>720064463
How can you not like the shoryuken? But yeah, the default pogo is by far the best and coolest.

>>720064860
>How can you not like the shoryuken?
Well you usually use the sprint attack to close distance, and the reaper version has shit range, which kinda defeats the point imo.

>>720064463

As far as I know, the damage is the same on all crests, except Wanderer attacks faster which probably means it does more dps. Reaper's advantage comes from the massive boost to silk regen letting you heal/use abilities more often. The pogo attack isn't too bad and sprint attack's literal ramp-up is quite unique

>>720063604
They are still dog shit compared to 1's magic. There's absolutely nothing as cool and strong as descending dark.

>Sinner's road
>No bench so far, and one is broken
Well, that's a tedium

>>720065728
>one is broken
You can fix it. It's not fucking worth it though; just go a bit further and you'll find a bench being guarded by two alligators.

>>720065513
>Reaper's advantage comes from the massive boost to silk regen letting you heal/use abilities more often
Reaper also has way more range at the cost of each strike being slower than the other crests.

>>720042917
>Genuinely want to know the logic behind this.
It makes it a gritty hard soulslike or something

>>720065707
How about you play the game some more instead of spouting nonsense like an emotional baby. Some of the tools are extremely powerful, and you can add effects to them.

>>720042917
This spell wrecks the spells from HK1. It's identical to the Pure Vessel's attack.

I'm really curious about what will happen in the first rebalancing update because you just know it's coming after how much all the casuals are crying.
If Team Cherry refuses to do anything to make the game easier I will kneel even harder though.

>>720056694
>Beast crest has the best pogo
>diagonal bullshit
>best
lmao

>>720050839
So the game is total garbage then, the tutorial is lasting atleast 5 hours for me, who thought this was a good idea? What groundbreaking mechanics are being taught to me in the tutorial? lmaooo

>>720060084
Hornet already has a different moveset due to her faster more agile attacking. Combine her speed and enemy bouncing with the wanderer crest and it's the best of both worlds.
>sprint attack
>bounce off enemy
>follow up attack
>bounce off again and hit another enemy
Wanderer is peak

Architect crest feels meh.

>>720067058
Did they rebalance anything for the OG HK?

when do I get more spells besides the long needle attack

>>720065998
I find the extra range to be far more important than being able to attack faster, too many enemies have weird movement so you end up crashing on them while trying to get close enough to attack so the extra range helps a lot to avoid that.
On that note, fuck flying enemies so much, especially birds.

Where did Grindle go?

Was widow supposed to be one of those harder bosses as well? Took me 4 or so tries. Even forgot about my tools.
Let's hope the beast fly doesn't dissapoint.

>>720067058
At the very least the bosses should drop some rosaries/shards, getting nothing at all feels incredible disappointing after winning a hard fight and then being punished by having to pay for the new bench/travel/map.
Also it'd help if there was more of a difficulty curve instead of balls deep right from the start, I don't remember HK1 enemies doing 2 life dmg until way later in the game.

>>720068237
You will get another one pretty quickly after the needle if you keep exploring.

>>720068709
wait really? I'm 12 hours in and only have the needle spell.

>>720038376 (OP)
If you could at least swap between two crest loadouts on the fly it'd be so much better. As it you pick your favorite and stick with it because fuck dealing with benches to swap all the time.

>>720067058
I haven't played any DS game other than DS1, and usually don't partake in "nerf this boss" discussions, but I will actually be disappointed if they nerf any of the bosses
I heard some anons say that act 1 bosses were dogshit, but i just beat widow and the green stinger or whatever, and they were really god damn fun.

>>720068624
HK enemies only started dealing 2 damage when you started finding big guys with huge weapons, IIRC there's one pretty close to the start actually. The issue is that in SS everything either has a fuckhuge weapon or hits more than once and thus deals two damage.

I really enjoyed the final lace fight in the true ending. I think it was a good challenge and I just love how you are able to react to and manipulate the bosses moves.

>>720065707
The boomerang is fucking nasty if you can time it right. It absolutely shreds.

FLYED.COM

>>720068792
You get the next skill in Greymoor - Craw Lake.

So Lace is Phantom's sister? Neat.

>>720041497
Pogoing is ez once you get the hang of it, let alone when you get the cape.

First mask upgrade is such a rip off since most enemies do 2 damage

So far just like in HK, it's the dumb gank rooms that piss me off more than the bosses.
>one scissor guy
>two normal guys
>the centipede
>two MORE scissor guys
This room was bullshit and so far they've all been like this.

Khann was actually pretty simple for being so late in the game

>Silksong: Hey, what if we made ALL the flying enemies annoying in this game instead of just some of them like in the original.
For fuck sake.

>>720067058
og hollow knight was as much a casual game as it was hardcore, the game offered way more margin for error, movement was more focused on precicion than speed, the attack magic was what depleted your mana instead of the heal charge
i do not mind giant bosses taking out 2 crest of damage per hit, but on top of being damage sponges themselves even the fucking minions they summon punish you just as hard and they have longer i-frames than hornet who has an uncomfortably larger hitbox than the knight

Mod to make all tools available in all slots when?

>>720071009
>reach the greymoore lake house
>small birds take 4 hits to kill
>at least they have only one predictable attack
>no idea how much it takes to kill tall and fat birds
>tall bird has 2 ground stinger attacks, 2 air dive attacks, one aoe heavy attack
>fat bird spraying knives all over the screen before dropping his ass on you
>gotta survie: 2 small / 1 fat - 1 small / 1 tall - 1 small / 3 small (+1 small) / 1 tall - 1 fat
>die all the time and have to run 2 screens from the nearest save point
>give up and decide to get nail upgrade first before challenging this
>at least 3 bosses beteen nail upgrade and me
>finally get the nail upgrade... barelly any extra damage

Anyone else think the music is kinda bland compared to HK?

>>720073350
It's more ambient and atmospheric this time around, yeah. I don't know why they went that direction because it is an objective downgrade every time.

>>720038376 (OP)
I like the harp crest that makes your attacks faster. I've used it since I picked it up.

>>720067058
Get rid of the enviromental double damage, make rosaries more available and part of the reward of beating bosses/arenas, and the game is practically perfect.

>>720073350
Choral chambers, cohort dancers, sister splinter, widow, bell hart restored, are all great.

>7 years of dev time, having fun the whole time
>Early game is completely unbalanced
The last time someone normal and not a bug fetishist playtested this game was 4 years ago.

>>720054257

It's terrible design you fucking turd. Shows Team Cherry has no idea how this genre is supposed to work and what's good about it. A metroidvania without upgrades is just a fucking action platformer.

Shaman Crest is cool. I'm struggling to figure out if there's a mechanic attached going off the description of it just makes silk spells stronger.

I getting close to the first objective.
It's pretty damn good and I'm having a great time so far. Probs GOTY.

Minor hiccups I noticed :
- Not sure about the crests. It barely change my gameplay, beside the one that makes you absorb life, but at the same time having to find a bench to switch is... weird? You have to "invest" into one to have more slots, so that means you're not supposed to change? It's not bad, it's just a bit weird, I'm not sure what to think about it.
- No rewards for bosses feels really jarring.
- I already had the issue with HK1, but I don't think the cocoon, aka dark sols death, is necessary at all.
- Difficulty is fair so far, I haven't lost rosary once, but even then the money is a bit tight. I can't imagine how it's like for players that died and lost several hundred rosaries, much feel awful.
- I'd rather have pins I can name than categories, but heh.

>>720067058

All non-boss enemies should die with one hit if you have passed through their screen once. The worst part of the game is that all the trash enemies are massive health sponges.

>>720073350
It's still good, but less of a standout part of the game yeah. I thought I'd be getting dozens of songs with the quality of Lace, but it's still in the top 3 tracks.

>>720075135
Memory lockets aren't that rare really. There's enough for every slot on every crest as far as I can tell. Also you need to collect majority of them for a hidden upgrade: ability to regent all silk at a bench

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>>720069254
wheres the couch edit

>gank mob room in high halls
>like 10+ waves or some shit of the most annoying ass enemies
>seems to be mandatory
I genuinely don't believe any casual player will be able to pass this. I'm not a top tier gamer or anything but I've been trying for an hour and a half now. what the fuck was team cherry smoking

honkshoomimimimi

>>720075135
>I can't imagine how it's like for players that died and lost several hundred rosaries, much feel awful.
That's how it should be. Adapt or die.
Scrubs need to be humiliated and made to suffer.
Crawl and die until they get good. Or quit.

>>720075782
Somnophilia

The tall clockwork guys with shields are the actual biggest nigger enemy in the game, you can't find anything worse

>>720075135
>- I already had the issue with HK1, but I don't think the cocoon, aka dark sols death, is necessary at all.
Its never necessary in any of these indie games that have it and tends to be more of an inconvenience in regards to the other systems these games try to play. They just copy it because well from games have it and those game are hard and everyone loves them

Hornet is so cool!

>>720075853
the grenaders in the bottom of deep docks are double niggers especially if youre going to THAT room

>>720043746
>charge attacks don't charge up silk
This game is objectively bullshit, honestly.

>>720075976
This, FUCK those guys. I hated that small area so much, but at least the boss at the end was kino.

99.9% of journos will not beat this game.
>people mad at the fly
that is the easiest thing ever compared to other bullshit later.

all that for a subweapon...

What should I spend my rosaries on? I've saved up 500, plus a bunch of rosaries I can break. A simple key, the crest that lets me heal more for 800, or crafting kit?

>>720076117
>implying 0.1% of journos will beat it
That still seems too generous.

>>720054156
Yeah I feel like she does some weird combo too

>>720076063
nta but i also really enjoyed that boss
one of the best double bosses in this game but cogwork dancers is so good there's no competition

>>720050073
beast, been using it my whole playthrough, especially if you juice up

>>720039131
>Farming
Yea, what is this, 1997?

>>720043094
i've been just using hunter
desu i don't think it matters that much, reaper is probably better if you need more healing though since you can regain silk quicker.

>>720075730
Spamming the thumbtack tool is really good for most combat rooms, especially with the poison charm.

>>720054642
There should be two platforms close to ground level, whack one of them and the other will lower enough to jump on

>>720038376 (OP)
When you say "best starting crest", do you mean the straight pin? Is there a meta weapon?

So I got the Needolin and went back to the first area. What is up with the growth Eva talked about? Do I find more like her later on to level up other crests? Or do I go back after some trigger to upgrade other crests?

im convinced the needle upgrade didn't actually buff my damage.

>>720076682
Beast is the least cheesy

>>720038376 (OP)
I decided to try hunter again after mostly sitting on reaper and the moment I started fighting flying enemies that like to sit just outside your attack range for 95% of fight I was like nah Im going back to reaper

>>720075730
the only hard wave is the last one (double big guys). but if you stack them on top of each other it gets a lot easier. kite them back and forth and if you get cornered walljump up high, jump over their heads, do a dash + the ring grab move to gain distance. and repeat.

>>720042917
you can forsake tools and have 3 spells with shaman crest, or forsake the spell and have 3 tools with artisian crest

>>720076969
same but thats probably because I didnt really go back to previous areas after getting nail upgrade

>>720075135
I just like that the cocoons give you full silk before a bossfight.

Also the rosary loss is barely a deal, whereas it was a major frustration for me in Hollow Knight. I think it's just because there are many more ways to earn items/charms and if you need more you can just quickly farm some. Losing them in Hollow Knight was infuriating especially given the lack of benches and mazelike design of the areas. Whereas here, if I have more than like 200 I just throw them in a necklace.

>>720077046
maybe i should try some of the others, them not having focus made me mostly stick with hunter. i've been using the triple knifes for pesky aerial enemies. and it seems pretty good in general. i still haven't really figured out what to run as my second tool.

>>720077046
reaper is dogpoop honestly. I don't know how people use it. the up and down attacks are both trash and the alternating up/down for standard attacks is really annoying. It also deals really low dps.

>>720077381
extra silk has helped me alot with spells and such

>>720039724
memory upgrades don't make sense to me. i'm obviously gonna spend my first ones on my favorite crest not spread them out to have two weaker crests. by the time i found three more for the next crest I had completed act 2. crests should have just been an addition to HK notches system

>>720077505
meh, the faster speed of other crests means you get more silk anyways, and that's without having to run all over the arena picking up drops, I'd rather focus on hitting enemies and dodging attacks.

>>720038376 (OP)
I don't remember the crest's name, but the one that doubles your attack speed at the cost of a shorter attack range is incredible. You can score twice as many hits if you're good, it's been a game changer. I've been slaughtering bosses left and right since I got it.

>>720077381
Up and down dominate flying. Nothing attacks directly down, few attack up.

The worst part of this game is the shards. Completely unnecessary system that only exists to add grind for no reason. If I'm trying to learn a hard encounter why the hell do I need to stop for 15 minutes and go kill trash mobs to refill my boomerang? It's retarded and serves no purpose.

how the FUCK do i beat this small thing he just dodged every fucking thing i throw at him

>>720077932
Kek, the better game.

>anal beads are way less plentiful than geo
>corpse can be locked in the boss room
I questioned corpse runs in HK to begin with, but why have them in Silksong at all with these changes?

man i thought people were overstating the length of the walkbacks but i'm really fucking starting to feel it with moorwing now

>>720077923
It's like with the pointless runbacks. It's pure padding to waste your time.

>>720077923
it's to punish shitters and is therefore based. It also encourages you to go do something else instead of bashing your head against a wall against a boss.

>>720078125
I dunno if I am just playing the game wrong. but that boss really feels like it had way more health than it should have.

>>720043609
Professional silksong player here, reaper is fine.

>>720078252
moorwing was one of the faster kills I've had so far, did you just not follow up on a bunch of openings?

>>720078198
>go do something else
Mindlessly farming materials is not a fun thing to go do instead.

>>720078125
It's literally like 25 seconds chief.

>>720078252
They gave flying enemies and bosses double health to compensate for their higher mobility.

>>720038376 (OP)
I feel like I'm playing a different game from everyone else. This game really isn't that hard, did you guys not play the Megaman X or Castlevania games at all? Those aren't hard either, but fast paced 2d bosses that have giant attack tells and obvious patterns are easy to dodge and punish. The only time the bosses in this game are slightly harder is when they summon minions just because your attention is divided, but so far all of those bosses end up destroying half their minions on their own anyways.

>>720078318
>people who waste all their subweapons and die repeatedly at the same section ragequit the game
this is an absolute win.

If they just replenish on bench use, you have no reason not to just instantly dump all your items in one massive nuke at the beginning of every bossfight. Because they are a limited quantity, you first get a feel for the fight, then use them conservatively, only nuking to ensure the win.

>>720078123
Because you can string them to avoid losing them unlike Geo which is always at risk

>>720078428
Silksong is not as hard as some people claim, it's mostly just them attempting a boss before they are well equipped, HOWEVER, it's still like 20x harder than Castlevania or Mega Man X, get fucking real.

>>720078125
Open the shortcut moron, it's like 10 seconds in a straight line from the tavern

>>720078123
I haven't tried it but can't you just collect the cocoon from the boss room then save and quit to get back to the bench?

I always save and quit to get back to benches faster. It was a huge convenience in HK and I abuse it here too.

>>720078518
20x is massive hyperbole for any of the castlevania games. I absolutely will not concede that Silksong is harder than 1, 3, or Chronicles. Go beat any those games then come back and make that claim.

>>720078518
Harder than shit like sotn sure, absolutely not harder than classicvania where you jump like you shit your pants violently and are trying to hide it

>>720067058
how to FIX silksong list:
>up your first pin damage upgrade and place the upgrade at the deep docks forge sister after beating Lace
>too much of the cool shit is stuck at late game, move it into chapter 1
>double the mask shards to find since health is now half as effective
>half those charms vendors sell should taken and spread around the map because finding shards or rosaries behind every wall sucks
>remove shards entirely, replace them with those tool bags that give +1-2 tool usage per bench. you start with half the initial tool count you do now.
>crest and charms separated. crests let you swap your base attacks and tools etc. charms go back to the old hollow knight system
>contact damage and environment hazards are always 1 mask

>>720078616
Oh you can abuse save and quit like a homeward bone? I was getting annoyed of them not having any.

>>720078657
>>720078660
I've beat CV1 and Bloodlines without deaths you fucking moron, game is piss-easy. CV3 is hard, but the difficulty is massively overstated, I plan on doing all the CV games deathless eventually.

Castlevania is nowhere NEAR as hard as Silksong.

>>720078616
if exploiting is your go-to response to a game mechanic then either the mechanic sucks or (You) do.

>>720078689
And don't forget
>add all these features to an optional Story Mode for players to opt in for

>>720078771
Mmmmhmmm. You haven't played any of those.

>>720038376 (OP)
>all the crests you find are a downgrade at worst, a sidegrade at best
Considering you are intended to switch between them, sidegrades is exactly what they're supposed to be. And they are.

>>720078812
Benchwarping is cool actually, especially when you plan on something like hunting a few fleas and keep your rest point at the flea caravan, or just using it for fast side quest turn ins. At minimum they could add a homeward bone for the player to purchase, but this is such a non issue.

>>720078837
>Y-Y-Y-Y-YOU'RE LYING!!!
whatever you say faggot. Many single bosses in Silksong are harder than the entirety of Castlevania.

Your retarded ass probably spams save states and then wonder why you struggle to learn and master retro games.

>>720078812
Team cherry are well aware that you can bench warp. Even in HK there are a few instances where the game overrides your last bench to prevent you from doing it. So when it is available, it is intended.

>>720039724
I really don't get the struggle with the diagonal pogo. Yea it's different, but like...you can aim at an angle, right? Even platforming puzzles are pretty good with it cause you end up getting extra air-time with it and it's designed so your trajectory will line up pretty easily with the next target. It's also fun doing mix-ups in combat, especially against armored enemies with a vulnerable backspot. You people don't play games with DIVE KICK mechanics?

>>720079019
Bro, I wouldn't claim they were harder if I haven't beaten them myself. I've beaten them all but 2, the 64 ones, and the ps2 ones. Chronicles was hardest. I'm glad you think they're easy, but to say that Silksong is harder, let alone 20x harder is gross exaggeration. The boss tells are easy as piss, your movement is so good that not dodging is your own damn fault, and the game gives you really powerful abilities like Silk Storm, near infinite healing, and the crest that doubles your attack speed.
Maybe you just suck at Silksong if you're that good at Castlevania.

>>720042613
I just realized the reason people are probably struggling so much with the new pogo is because they're using stick instead of d-pad on a 2D platformer. I can see how stick deadzones and snapback will probably fuck up your aim. You have 4 directions, there are no diagonals in this game, so it's objectively better to just use d=pad and not accidentally fuck up your input with directions that don't even exist.

>>720042748
>I wanna play as Hornet not as The Knight
So did I, but then Hornet's moveset sucks, so Knight it is.

>>720079251
The bosses in Silksong are significantly more complex and fast-paced and have much more HP. Pretty much every boss in CV1, you can just spam triple cross or triple candle and instakill them, even if you don't have subweapons, the only bosses that pose any challenge are Death and Drac and you have unlimited continues so who gives a fuck. Game is also only like 20 minutes long so it's an extremely quick and easy game to beat and master.

Comparing it to Silksong in difficulty is just absurd. Silksong is so much harder and it's not even close. Maybe not 20x, but at least 10x.

>>720078689
you can forget about them changing the crest and charm sistem or adding more health masks early game
honestly the only thing i want is more margin of error
get hit 3 times and you die, which encourages saving silk for life charges and between the large hitbox, fast movement and lack of i-frames it's extremely easy to get hit
why did they try to fix what wasn't broken? the risk reward attack magic health charge worked perfectly in the first game, why did they have to flip it over on it's head?

>>720043016
Pogo with wanderer works fantastic. You can easily get 2-3 hits even on small enemies.

>>720078125
just skip it for later

>>720042917
The logic is Hornet at full power has like a 10th of the power of The Knight. It's true to lore and canon that she's just not as strong and has less skills at her disposal than him. It's also why she takes so much fucking damage. If they ever decide to patch an "Easy Mode" into the game, it should literally just be playing as little ghost, and then he can take half a mask of damage on each boss and oneshot most mobs.

>>720065707
double tools + poison absolutely shreds bosses and also shits on all the challenge rooms.

People bitch about the bird room but you pretty much only need to survive a couple waves as the last two waves you can just spam tools to instakill them.

>>720079486
I'm sorry, I just don't agree. I have never needed more than 3 or 4 tries on a boss in Silksong whereas bosses like Death and Dracula take forever. I'm convinced that you don't remember getting through Castlevania games for the first time anymore, of course they're after countless playthroughs, you'll be laughing at how easy Silksong is after a few more playthroughs. Maybe Megaman X games are a better comparison, although I think they're significantly easier, they are faster paced at least.
It honestly sounds like we're both old phogies who are good at games and don't remember what it's like to suck.

>>720079814
>double tools + poison absolutely shreds bosses and also shits on all the challenge rooms.
And yet they are still shit compared to 1's magic

/v/ is forcing themselves to hate this game so much it's hilarious, every single one of them sounds schizophrenic

The insane HP on these roaches is actually terrible.

>>720079702
>imagine being a dex maxing build and getting mogged by a tank midget that simply dodges everything you throw at him poking with slashes before nuking you with a face hadouken

>>720038376 (OP)
I just found the thing that increases weapon reach and dropped Reaper in favor of Wanderer, it's fucking amazing with that tiny bit extra reach.

>>720043132
Using the first key on Wormways is a fucking scam. Don't do it. As much as people bitch about the Hunter Crest, literally just git gud and use it. You'll eventually get the Wander's Crest without the need for they key, and I guarantee that by the time you get it you'll just prefer using the Hunter Crest because it'd have grown on you by that point and you'll understand what it's going for. The main issue is that you don't start with a dash, and the Hunter's Crest really shines when you can out-mobile your foes but feels really heavy before then. So everyone picks up the game, goes "wtf this moveset sucks" and wastes their key on the Hollow Knight adjacent moveset since it's easier to work with dashless. But it's a fucking noob trap and waste of a key. I think someone mentioned there are enough keys to actually open every door, but they're a pain in the ass to find and most anons seem to not be able to get all of them without spoiling themselves, so it's probably best to just not even bother wasting a key there.

>>720042917
The spells and tools are really good. The tools in particular I use a lot more than spells in HK and they make both bosses and gauntlets way easier.
And you could only change charms at benches in HK, so it would be quite the change to allow hornet to change crests on the go.

>>720079937
you still have magic, i've got 4 silk arts unlocked so far and all of them seem pretty good. deflection is probably best since it lets you avoid damage for cheaper than a heal and also does damage

>>720054156
It happens when you're at full silk.

>>720080172
>so it would be quite the change to allow hornet to change crests on the go.
So separate charms and crests and allow to hotswap only between crests

I feel like too many enemies dont drop beads, in general. yes you can farm but you have to swap areas if you want a bench and dont have a rosary saved.

>>720080128
I got the wanderer's crest later without the key. And I do like hunter and was using it over reaper. But I've still been mostly using wanderer.
I don't mind the hunter pogo for platforming. In fact, sometimes I prefer it. But the wanderer pogo is just simply broken in combat. There are so many enemies that just have no answer for it where it lets you kill them essentially risk free. And I suck too much to get the full benefit of the hunter's focus mechanic.

so, is this the dark souls 2 of hollow knight?

>>720046835
not that needle throw, the other one that you need for platforming

>>720080392
I really felt this in shellwood. I was really hurting for money there. But the majority of the area has no enemies that drop rosaries. And in fact, those little farting flowers don't even drop shards.

>>720079201
>You people don't play games with DIVE KICK mechanics?
Never played one where dive kicking was used for vertical platforming, but good on you. I'm living my best life with wanderer.

>>720079702
yeah the little midget is juiced up on entropy but hornet's still a demigod.

if only most fights could be fun like the 2 dancing bug fight, and not bullshit like the citadel song gauntlet.

>>720076838
yeah i just got the upgrade for hunter, i will stick to it for now

>Lose 800 rosaries trying to get back to where I died
>I died in a fucking bench room

so the game has an item in poison land that wont shut up unless you talk to an npc, and when you do it ends up cursing you, which starts a quest chain to un-curse yourself, and you have no compass or ability to heal.

you get a new crest but it was not worth it.

>>720080597
Yes, tons of gank rooms, traps, and terrible level design.

>long shaft where you start at the bottom full of flying enemies
>does not open on this site gate/floor in the middle
>circumvent the gate through a long section and activate a lever to unlock it
Why is this so common it happens in like 4 areas

Is there any shortcut to the spider in sinner's road?

Is this just hollow knights sekiro ? Like a less casual but objectively more skillful and rewarding game than its predecessor

>>720081002
was it trapped?

>>720077932
You have to enable your microphone and scream
>SHAW

>>720081464
No it had 2 roaches that needed to be killed first.

>get clawline
>get to this spot and now can't move or pull up the menu
I hope it saved at some point or I'm screwed

poison knives are so fucking good

>>720081937
>lost a bunch of rosaries saving guy that gives you an item to retrieve your cocoon
lol

>>720054265
practically every zone has a pogo to platform or pogo off the flying enemy 5 times to dispatch them and hunter has easily the worst divekick out of all of them that i've seen
and it doesnt help that it inherits the base form's shitty duration so the timing is extra cancer

>>720058175
>read up on wanderer crest
>jebaited into using the purchasable simple key on horseshit
These devs hate us, don't they?

>>720082168
It auto saved at the weaver shrine. But good to know that claw lining into a wall can lock the game.

>>720079201
diagonal pogo is good for combat, but ass for platforming. it shouldn't be one-or-the-other.

>>720082648
Beast's pogo seems downright unusable to me. Although I admittedly didn't give it much of a chance.

>>720083065
You can hit things horizontally with it.
It only sucks when you need to use ut downhill.

ZENZIBOOOOO

>>720083494
/ss/

>>720052323
>that part in Bellhart with the giant fuckers flying up and down in the darkness
>no way to know they're there unless you stop and wait at every drop for a solid few seconds
>invincible from the top
>two damage if you touch them
>that one drop with two of them

>>720083494
lewd

the boss fucked off
now what

>>720053263
>why would you turn it into a boring chore
>turn it
Mate farming for beads is less chore-like than most of the regular game.

Bratty Lace needs correction

>>720078657
I legitimately think Order of Ecclesia is harder than Silksong

>>720084110
Maybe Lvl1 Hard mode, otherwise you are just being retarded.

>>720078812
It's pretty shit game design to be honest. Most players wouldn't think to do it and so those playing normally will keep entering the boss room to get their cocoon and feel trapped to keep fighting until they win. If they wanted to trap you like that then that's one thing, but having an exploit to get out from that only benefits a small amount of players who know.

>>720043016
most enemies cant do shit if you can stay in the air

>>720038376 (OP)
I just used ce to give myself 1k beads
And it still wasn't enough KEK, bought the mask fragment + simple key and BAM 800 SHEKELS NIGGA

Fucking gay, thankfully the amount you can have carry is 4 digits, so I'll cheat in a few thousand (and convert them to rosaries)

>>720078616
>>720084459
I noticed at least some bosses don't lock you in until you go past the point where the cocoon spawns so you don't need to benchwarp for those

>>720078576
>can just zip past everything
>even bypass that fly and guy on the ground just by running off the ledge
>can easily screw up trying to jump over the tall guy at the end
Would be a solid runback if not for him.

>>720084557
depending on where in the room you die you'll have to trigger the boss first. Happened a lot to me on Last Judge

>>720084557
Cocoon spawn is usually based on where you died. If you die close to the door. you can almost always grab your cocoon without triggering the boss. But if you die on the far side of the arena then lol.

>>720067058
Just give me some fucking benches outside of boss rooms. Even easy runbacks with no enemies are just tedious.

>>720084241
No the regular game
The stupid boss you need to climb on top of killed me more times than anything in Silksong

>>720083628
>>720083823
Based on his pleasured moans, they knew exactly what they were doing.

>>720084557
For the bird gauntlet in particular, you can't get back out of that area normally without beating it to send out the balloons.

>>720082887
>use simple key in deep docks
>craftmetal
>use simple key in wormways
>best crest
I'm starting to question why the fuck that area of deep docks was locked like that. Is there something crazy behind the locked doors?

>>720085041
Nah fuck no, Silksong is like 5x harder at least

>>720085230
>he didn't find the tool behind the deep cocks door
lol!

>>720042917
I would take tools doing less damage if it meant I could utilize them consistently without having to bench to refill.
They could have made it to where you can refill your tools when you heal....which would add even more gameplay depth
>I'm full health and silk...but I need to reload tools...do I waste the silk just for the tools or wait till I need health, or save silk for another spell?
Would have been really fucking good game design.
7 fucking years.

>>720038376 (OP)
You only need to change the crest once, to Wanderer so you get the normal pogo

>>720038376 (OP)
>especially once you've upgraded it
yeah.
i've not played that much but i got the
fast dagger from the temple left of the starting zone and i prefer it because of how the down attack works. easier to bounce on stuff.

This piece of shit is made of hitpoints.

>>720054083
she got metroided

>>720042432
Architect trades the ability to use silk skills for a third tool slot. Swings are all like drills though I don't believe the multihit generates any extra silk. You can spend the same amount of silk you would to heal to recharge your tools ammo, so with a fully upgraded tool kit that can be a shit ton of damage.

>>720085352
I can't open the damn thing yet anon. I think I need the skill that lets you grab onto rings.

>>720085443
>they could have made it where you can refill your tools when you heal
There's a crest for that.
Still have to grind tool shards though

Fuuuuck, the architect crest looks amazing, but having no skill slot is a huge deal breaker to me

>>720085824
don't need anything besides dash to get it, you just missed a touchy.

>>720044829
reaper sucks shit. you are totally gimping yourself by not using hunter. its by far the best crest

>fight the dream ant boss
I see why people are complaining about this game

>>720086084
How is hunter good? I despise its pogo so I never used again after I got wanderer

>>720038376 (OP)
hunter crest is dogshit

>>720085443
It should just actually work like sekiro. Getting shell shards should replenish them. I've had plenty of time when my tools are empty, but my shell shards are full, and I keep getting more from enemies that do nothing.
The issue is that, unlike sekiro, the charges are tracked separately from shards and it takes multiple shards for a charge. And you can have more than one tool equipped at once, so which would they go towards?

>>720086076
You need the Clawline for that.

>>720086458
No you don't

>>720086458
really? that's news to me.

>>720086535
>>720086632
Don't you need to open the gate by pulling the chain to access the lower section of the deep cocks?

In the citadel, that machine with the silk. It's just a silk refill, right? It's not a spool upgrade is it? I don't want to blow 40 rosaries on just a refill.

>Hear about the horror of Bilewater and the boss that lives there
>Apprehensive the whole way through, constantly farming silk from the respawning enemies
>Do a fight room, keep health up well for most of it, get hit by swinging traps and get down to half health
>Groad the Great spawns
>OH SHIT
>....
>....
>He's a fucking push over
I'm sorry, what? That was the big thing? The most surprising thing about him was that he used Vengeful Spirit
Maybe I just have a good loadout or something or maybe this guy is really weak to the Drill crest, because he couldn't do shit. Also, I think the devs must have played Half-Life when they were developing the game, because I immediately ran into the Barnak afterwards.

>>720086690
>>720086535
>>720086458
Okay you maggots which way is it how do I get that buttplug?

>>720086791
You probably dps'd him down before he could do anything

>merchant now sells home decor
help me... i dont want to grind

How do you get to this point in the Sinner's Road? Didn't see any switches to open the heavy door or a way to get up that vertical shaft

whats skills are in blighttown?

>>720087287
pretty sure that's an exit chute, I pogo'd off a roach to get up it and was met with another high wall I couldn't climb.

>>720087287
Maybe a double jump?
I don't know if it exists.

>>720087287
>>720087343
Upgrades.

>>720062254
I beat her second try. Just treat it like a fighting game and just poke and dash away.

>>720038376 (OP)
>>can only change crests at benches
>>memory upgrades only apply to that single crest
>>all the crests you find are a downgrade at worst, a sidegrade at best, compared to the starting one
good

>>720087343
>>720087397
>>720087404
Guess I'll finish up in the Shellwood then
thanks anons

>>720038376 (OP)
Hollow Knight troon general thread

>>720087160
Nah, he did everything. Traps, suck, soul, adds. They just weren't very threatening. I guess coming here with the sharpened needle would have made the fight more intense, but I had more difficulty with the chef. All of his attacks are well telegraphed. I think the thing people really have a problem with is that they get infested and can't heal, but I found the secret bench and got up there maggot free.

Wanna know something funny?
95% of the people that are frustrated about runbacks have not yet done pic related

>>720087313
None, you just get an item for someone.

>>720088319
He's one of the easiest bosses in the entire game if you just let yourself get infested and stay in the water. He literally cannot hurt you whatsoever.

>>720038376 (OP)
>farming items
>fetch quests
>overtuned enemy health and damage
>fuck all rewards for exploring

How did it all go so wrong, bros.

How do you open doors like this?

beast crest is the best crest in the game if you have high iq

>>720073350
I remember nothing about the music in HK besides the City of Tears theme

>>720085582
i crutched hard on the parry for this fight

>>720088520
That door is main quest related, you can't open without progressing. Forget about the door

>>720088795
Got it, thanks anon

>>720088520
From the other side.
You have the engineer crest so you should be able to open it.

>>720075730
Jump and heal

>>720088520
how do you have so many silk upgrades and items and still can't open that door?

>>720088346
I'm getting mad at that runback as we speak

>>720088346
psa for this boss: toxic cogflies + longnails melts it in 30s

jfc where do i farm shards im getting filtered and dont have any. im mid act 2 (i think)

>>720090046
That's the funny part. You don't, enjoy getting 5-10 per enemy kill.

>>720090046
Citadel bugs drop a decent amount.

>>720089296
Im in the same situation as him, i put all my silver keys into other things

>>720090112
>go from drowning in shards and being poor to having no shards and being rich
i kneel...

>>720090139
guess i'll just kill everything on the way to the ~~dreamers~~ music trio

>>720090260
the ant boss is aids

>needolin and super jump both cost silk
For what purpose? If you're using needolin to progress you aren't going to be using it long enough for the silk to be consumed, and you're guaranteed to have at least 1 silk heart by the time you get it. For the super jump it's the same situation except now you can regenerate 2 silk at minimum so why make it cost a resource in the first place?

>>720088901
That's not the clawline one, it's this one
>>720089296
I like doing side content before the main one
>>720090232
Nor is it the simple key one

>>720090457
So that I can't make Sherma sing forever.

>>720090462
Bro look at all those unexplored corridors you have.
One of them eventually leads to it.

Should I keep trying to get through Sinner's Road or just fight Widow? I feel like if I rest on a bench in Sinner's I'll be stuck there for a long time.

>>720090457
Needolin shouldn't cost silk. Just let me listen to the bugs sing, dammit

>accept quest from cathedral village
>help this merchant hes in whiteward!
>look all around white ward and the areas surrounding its entrances for the past hour
>nothing
WHERE THE FUCK IS THIS FAGGOT

>>720090790
You'll find stuff to track him in the big cylindrical area near Whiteward.

>>720090621
Sinner's Road and especially the next area are the worst areas by faaaar (in act 1). Just so you know

>>720090621
Widow should be done asap because you can get good stuff after.

>>720090790
>merchant
If it's actually the merchant, then they're in the choral chambers. If it's Sherma then he is in the white ward.

>>720038376 (OP)
Yeah I put all my shit into reaper crest so there is basically 0 chance im using beast or wanderer even to swap it up for a boss fight. Not the best design choice

>>720038376 (OP)
I played Hollow Knight in 2017 as my first switch game. I thought Silksong was the DLC made into a sequel, wtf is this Godmaster and shit I missed? The game had DLC expansions?

>>720091000
I enjoy ballbusting areas luckily, they are the most fun. Could go without these maggots eating all my fucking threads thoughever.

Please tell me everyone in this game isn't a stupid fucking bug slav. I hate their stupid slavic way of speaking.

so this is the one huh
the great filter

>>720090620
Yeah I just did them and none of them ain't it, chief

mask maker in the mountain tied to any quests?

>>720091452
Hold on, I had actually missed one and it was it

>>720091276
Grimm Troupe is fetch quest shit with cool boss fights capping off the fetch quest shit. Godmaster is a boss rush arena mode.

>>720075135
>No rewards for bosses feels really jarring.
This

Is the Moorwing that shows up during the Pill quest harder or would I have gotten mega filtered had I not skipped him with the fleas?

>>720042881
I thought it was. Strange times we live in

>>720042881
Easier than d-pad, I have no problems. You can just use the d-pad if you want still.

>>720043162
mainly because it has more range

>courier's rasher is a timed delicate flower quest
Oh, fuck off.

I know complaining about savage beastfly is for shitters but can I at least complain about the second one? I'm still mad hours after finally beating it.

>>720042306
R1 + left or right. You already use R1 + up or down, might as well use those as well

>>720088502
feedback from speedrunners
>hurrdurr health charges kill momentum so lets discourage them by making slower more expensive and more useless since bosses just kill you in 3 hits anyways

the risk reward magic system and currency death run worked perfectly in the previous game, i have no idea why they ruined both systems by trying to fix what wasn't broken

>>720095260
>you have to stop moving to cast your spell now
Trash implementation

>>720094958
It's not that bad if you take the Exhaust Organ route

>>720078518
This nigga never got to Sigma

>get cursed with witch crest
>"damn these attacks are good, gonna be my mainstay when I can actually heal again"
>mfw
ALL THAT WORK
FOR TRASH

>Finally got focus mode for hunter
>triples damage if you don't get hit

>>720038376 (OP)
I just uninstalled. This is not 7 years of work, it's 3 at best. It's simply unfixable because it requires them admitting that they fucked up and they won't do it because it will expose their fans as retards who will lap up everything.
Have you even seen the final boss? kek, disappointing.

>>720038376 (OP)
>NOOOOO I NEED TO HAVE EVERYTHING IN MY ARSENAL AVAILABLE TO ME ALL AT ONCE ALL THE TIME
>I NEED TO BE ABLE TO AFFORD EVERYTHING THE SECOND IT'S AVAILABLE TO ME OR I'LL RECEDE FROM DOPAMINE WITHDRAWAL
>GIVE ME EVERYTHING ALL AT ONCE RIGHT NOW NOW NOW NOOOOOOOW
Christ you're all children.

>>720096969
Where is that? And do I need double jump to get there?

Acabo de lograr matar a Vasija pura en radiante luego de mas de 5 horas de intentos
Ahora estos son los radiantes que llevo
Estoy tratando de pasármelo todo antes de jugar al silksong

>>720042432
>Architect
It still consumes shards to refill tools so you will be farming shards all the time if you want to use it as something more than just gimmick or boss cheese where you dump all your shards to win.

>>720039937
So far I've used reaper for exploration, hunter for specific bosses, and wanderer for bosses that summon adds (beastfly and dual bossqueen)

>>720039724
>Crests don't affect damage
Holy fuck REALLY!? HOW DID THEY FUCK THIS UP?

>>720069254
were the flies even affected by the curse or were they just assholes

HOLY FUCKING SHIT, I feel like a fucking anime protag in this Lace 2 fight. Just did 5 parries in a row, two of them were when she does her rising moon slash and one of them was on her judgement cuts. This is one of the best fights I have ever had in a 2d platformer. I want to finisher her with the Cross Stitch move.

>>720097172
There is an achievement if you beat the game while cursed.

>>720090046
you could just buy them

>>720097824
The way the nail attacks is more then enough and if you equip the shard tool, you fill up in no time at all. I went from empty to 700 in only a few rooms simply because I don't need to spam tools for most encounters, but having three active tools is just too good.

>>720098746
>simply because I don't need to spam tools
But that's the point of the crest, to spam tools.
I want to spam tools when I'm using the tools crest.
Tools consuming shards to refill is retarded. They should be refilled for free on bench and shards should have been required to upgrade each tool but I suspect there was no time for such things since developers didn't have time.

>>720097594
cracked wall in sinner's path right side -> bilewater -> the mist
I'm pretty certain you don't need double jump since it's an alternate path into act 2

>>720097532
you can just make the bosses more difficult to compensate