Thread 720065170

https://www.techpowerup.com/340614/nvidia-discrete-gpu-market-share-dominance-expands-to-94-notes-report 50% of Steam Hardware Users cannot play Borderlands 4 as it requires an 8 core CPU. NVIDIA has a video card monopoly and 8GB VRAM GPUs are ewaste. PCMR vegan time.

why you playing that on p.c. when you need a controller

why would you play borderlands at all when you need to be a faggot or a troon to play it?

>>720065170 (OP)
why are people so brand loyal to nvidia? i go back and forth each gen based on price point. amd is really good right now especially with the price differences between the two.

>>720065170 (OP)
>32 gigs recommended
God damn, like why????

>>720066496
needs more ram for more BAD ASS

>>720065170 (OP)
we're about to enter a pc gaming dark age (we might already be in one)
it's the 80s/early 90s all over again.

>>720066393
>amd is really good right now especially with the price differences between the two.
Yeah about that...
Being a Radeon fanboy is something you do when you're new to the hobby or a youtuber. Everyone else learns after getting burnt once or twice that the only real option is Nvidia.
>>720066496
It's basically just standard ue5 requirements, more then likely it's "recommended" to help retards who can't figure out maybe they shouldn't have 100-zillion things running in the background at all times.

>>720066393
What other company makes graphics cards?

even 32gb systems don't have 32gb so does this mean the recommended requirement is really 64gb

>>720066647
lmao

>>720066761
>Being a Radeon fanboy is something you do when you're new to the hobby or a youtuber. Everyone else learns after getting burnt once or twice that the only real option is Nvidia.
i said in my post ive had both. nvidia is better. AMD is serviceable. my Rx 7900 tx is great and i only paid $800 for it.

>>720065170 (OP)
Why should I care?

AMD's only worthwhile features are locked to Windows at the moment.
Everyone's just building around nvidia.
It's not a nice time to be an AMD fanboy.
t.7900xt owner.

>>720066870
> nvidia is better.
and there's your answer. It wasn't difficult was it?

>>720066870
>my Rx 7900 tx is great and i only paid $800 for it.
That's too much for a card that's equal/slower than a now $530 gpu before ai noggery or raytracing. You don't even have an actually good upscale to help kind of brute force things.
It's been over since 2020 when dlss got good. You can still use a 2080ti perfectly fine today, good luck with anything RDNA1 or non-flagship RDNA2/3

This is all assuming you are a AAA "slop" enjoyer, not sure why'd you buy any recent graphics card if you're only playing older/indie games but whatever

>>720066393
It's like apple, they've been brainwashed

>>720067348
Literally no reason to buy any Nvidia card if you're not making money from it or you love slop pixels or RT
And beats Nvidia at rasterization at every realistic price bracket

>>720066761
i've gotten burned more frequently by nvidia's bad drivers than amd's, over longer amd(+ati) ownership

i don't think i'd buy an nvidia card, the value prospect and hassle isn't there, about the only upside they have is nvenc since nobody has quicksync these days with intel in the gutter
laptops with nvidia are typically better value than amd gpu laptops though, so i consider nvidia to be a laptop tier manufacturer

>>720067548
If you only care about raster native why even buy a new card? Your old games still work fine on a 1080 or something.

>>720066393
Nvidia has the best AA tech. FSR and XeSS fags are on pure copium. Hell, RTX, AI, and MFG is just a bonus.
It's also unlike Apple/iOS >>720067512 where androids have better software and freedom across the board

Why did Intel CPUs become obsolete? I remember Intel being the no. 1 CPU brand five years ago.

>>720068132
>Why did Intel CPUs become obsolete
what made you think this was true?

i am pretty sure no poster here could tell a difference between gpus if little icon in tray were green instead of blue, is is just so tiresome to watch subhuman faggots argue about things they pretty much do not even comprehend at slightest

>>720067982
>>720067348
yeah i guess if the extra $300 for nvidia isnt a factor theres no reason to buy amd. i do miss shadow play. its a million times better than amd adrenaline, which is actually ass.

>>720065170 (OP)
Dumbfucks at AMD again miss an opportunity to cut Nvidia at the knees and price their stuff 40% lower. The 5070TI was the hardest card to get and AMD had an actual answer for it.

>>720066496
1 gig for Windows, 15 gigs for the game data (unoptimized slop), and 16 gigs cloud storage for Randy Pissford's private gallery.

>>720068132
They shat the bed in the last 2 generations(fab level issues) and even before that Ryzen was just good, depending on particular generation it either did better at mid range when it came to price/performance or was just outright better overall.

Intel still has the pre-built and laptop market though so it's not exactly goner. It's just not as dominant as it tended to be at times and unlike the Pentium 4/Athlon64 era it's not a one-year-off case.

>>720068132
They're not. Reddit tier belief

>>720067804
so which gtx 1080 will get me 120fps+ at 4k native res in games like monhun world, granblue relink, helldivers 2, darktide or space marine 2?

Radeons used to be popular cause they were better. Maybe amd should make better graphics cards have they thought of that

>>720069415
Native res in those deferred rendered games is less than 360p

>>720069415
>120fps+ at 4k native res
4k 120 isn't doable without framegen or dlss with any gpu so...

>>720066761
AMD is always better for raw price to performance which is why it's the budget friendly choice, Nvidia is generally better overall if money isn't an issue

>>720066393
same reason people get computers covered in flashing rbg lights instead of for the specs, they have no idea what they are doing

>>720067982
I guess nvidiots have been under a rock for the past year since FSR4 has been available? It's literally better than DLSS.

>>720065170 (OP)
Radeon fanboys once again proving they're just sperglords who only chimp out online

>>720065170 (OP)
I thought all you fags were gonna buy an AMD card

I got myself a 7900GRE for $500 last year i don't give a shit

>still recommending Intel CPUs
Every time I see a TechJesus prebuilt review that melts a 300 W at 95C I wonder how much money Intel throws at all these OEMs and publishers to promote their garbage brand.

>intel is irrelevant
>still being used as benchmark standards despite actually being shittier than AMD hardware
like it or not they're never going away

>>720067982
>DLSS is AA
kys nigger

>>720070142
>>DLSS is AA
It is.

You aren't planning on greasing Randy's and Strauss's pockets further, are you?

Only way I will ever buy AMD is if FSR is just plain better than DLSS which it never will be. AMD GPUs use way more power and don't clock down properly (with AMD using nearly 80-100W extra for some games). The amount you will save on the power bill over the life of the card makes up for the price difference.

>>720069550
Jeet shill please stop having shit uneducated takes. After 3dfx crashed and burned, all that was left on the graphics card market for general users was Nvidia making more high end models and ATI that made cards that were usually slightly worse but cheaper.
ATI was then bought by AMD. I don't believe there was a single year when ATI/AMD had cards that were better performing than Nvidia. Sometimes they had longer lifespans, for instance hd 7970 at launch was performing worse than gtx 680 it was competing with, but in 3-4 years it was suddenly on top(its driver issues were generally fixed while 680 stopped being as heavily supported as it was in the first 2 years or so). There were some very good AMD cards like HD 4850 but they tended to just be insanely good value for money, not powerhouses and likewise AMD was always the second tier brand. What's happening right now is an equivalent of like 2007-2008 when Nvidia had insane offerings like 8800 GT(x? I forgot how their nomenclature looked like) while Radeons struggled. By all means though that period or circa 2008-2010 was what solidified AMD as unable to ever catch up with nvidia because the latter started locking down functionality behind CUDA and short of AI bubble popping wrecking nvidias finances so hard AMD would be able to overcome them in R&D and maintain a lead for 5 years I don't think we'll ever see more than 15% marketshare for AMD GPUs. And mind you this is unlikely because AMD also has quite a lot of eggs in the AI basket.

>>720069823
>It's literally better than DLSS.

kek
I guess it is for someone that can't use DLSS

>>720066393
>>720065170 (OP)

AMD unironically thinks they're hot shit and their 7900 and 9070 series were the same price or 100$ more than the equivlent nvidia cards during their launches.

I don't even think you can find a 9070XT at MSRP right now.

>>720066393
pc vegan brand loyalist is 101. see /g/ and reddit pc fanboys

>>720069823
>It's literally better than DLSS.
It's literally not though
>>720069740
>AMD is always better for raw price to performance
It's not as of right now on the 5070 vs 9070 and 9060xt vs 5060ti. I don't even think it's true on the 9070xt vs 5070ti.
Also take note of the amd card needing nearly 15gb when the Nvidia card needs only 11gb, in this specific game the 9070 will run out of vram faster than a 5070.

>>720066393
I like tinkering with upscaling/image restoration models
trying to run those on AMD is a fucking nightmare

>>720069740
AMD uses 2x the power of the equivalent Nvidia card.

>>720068132
Oxidation. It's so bad that Intel stock dropped to the point the US Fed Gov now owns 10% Intel stock to prevent further job losses. All Intel chips sold in the last 3 years are dying in real time from a fabrication defect. /r/PCMR Vegans in denial about it.

>>720069823
I don't know if FSR4 makes frame gen better but I tried to use AMD's framegen in Talos Principle and it had so much input lag it was unplayable. DLSS4 frame gen I couldn't even really tell it was on.

>thread spirals into being nvidia marketing campaign
nobody here can afford your shit, you can turn off the shill farm jensen, at best they run ps5 lol

>>720070923
It's not as dramatic as that, but it is slightly annoying that I can't use 100% of my 13900 KS.

>>720070428
Nigger. I can run my window unit 24/7 and all it costs is $4.

Serious question: what is it about video games made in the past 4-5 years that actually justifies the hardware requirements? Do you really feel like you're playing generationally better games in any meaningful sense compared to anything made prior to 2020, or even 2018?

>>720065170 (OP)
the gaymer fags will regret it when amd goes bankrupt. then there will be nothing and no one to prevent nvidia from pushing up the prices more and more with each passing generation.

>>720066393
green team just works. i bought an AMD card a few years ago and it never worked right. AMD at least has really good cpu's.

>>720071117
>lives in a third world nation
>still uses the nslur

>>720065170 (OP)
People who buy prebuilds only use nvidia.
People who actually build their own shit use AMD.

And there's way more people who buy prebuilds than actual builders.

>>720071132
the games are technically better looking but diminishing returns have started kicking in, so hardware requirements increase at the same rate while the graphical improvements are smaller. it's just what happens a technology matures. unfortunately this is too complicated for brown teenagers on /v/ to understand, so you get screeching about how games are "unoptimized" and an insistence that games could look photorealistic while running at 240 fps but every developer in the industry is simply too dumb to type the right code in or whatever the fuck the retards here believe.

>>720071157
Nvidia's less and less interested in gaming GPUs nowadays with their hyperfixation on AI.
It's not going to end well.

>>720070467
The one with the ox was literally better than the nvidia cards

>>720071008
The number of AMD shills compared to the market share is illogical. If anyone has paid shills, it's AMD.

>>720066393
AMD blew it this generation by not having more aggressive pricing and by also not having a high end GPU.
They're also playing retarded product segmentation tricks with pointless SKUs like the 9070 non-XT.
Sad because FSR4 stands up to DLSS, but AMD doesn't understand that people aren't going to buy their GPUs over Nvidia at a slight discount. When people are shelling out hundreds of dollars already, people will spend an extra hundred and get the superior version.
They need a way bigger price gap and should stop pretending they can charge anywhere close to Nvidia's prices. $600 for a mid end GPU is retarded when $700 several years ago got you the flagship.
>>720070329
DLSS isn't AA.
DLAA is AA.
When you use DLSS, DLAA is applied under the hood. You can use DLAA "without" DLSS.

>>720066393
After I realized that I will never touch all the DLSS, AI and raytracing shit AMD just felt like it made a lot more sense, at least at the time I last upgraded my card. And AMD on Linux is just nicer in general.

That said it is frustrating how bad they at capitalizing nvidia going full end-game kike mode.

>>720070467
The x1950 mogged nvidia. Youre such a zoomer chatgpt piece of shit lol

>>720071480
>the games are technically better looking
lol, lmao, as expected of nvidia shill thread.

>>720071751
i rarely ever see them
it is always nvidia something something retarded shit while aymd nigger just claims his shit works, which is not shilling but normal point to make, as for "my software is better than yours" retards, it is purely subjective and i will not even thread on that

>>720071008
>No one buying AMD
>Somehow every youtube channel and pc hardware spot online is just entirely made up of radeon users
Yeah I'm sure it's Nvidia with a botfarm shilling their shit.

>>720071480
my seethe point is that I feel like there's been a serious decline in art direction in favor of wanting everything to look "like real life", which is funny because when I was younger I was fascinated by games that tried to emulate photorealism but now I really appreciate games with distinctive artstyles.

>>720071936
The technology is objectively better and no amount of screeching will change this. Lighting is way more accurate and there's more detail than ever.

>>720065170 (OP)
>cannot play Borderlands 4
Oh no.

>>720072017
I know, right? There's no art in realism.

>>720072010
you just posted proof of literal millions of amd consumers, and that is not even counting ps5, which is amd, and well every other console, retard are you okay?

>>720066393
AMD are only just catching up to a feature nvidia debuted in 2018, 7 years ago, with FSR 4 AI upscaling. Nvidia are generations ahead of AMD in tech and innovation. It's not even close.

>>720069823
fsr 4 is techtuber slop

dlss 3 is crap but they praised it

>>720072024
roflmao, bizarro earth over here, chatbots are so funny.

>>720072135
Nice argument, retard. You don't even understand what i'm trying to tell you.

>>720066802
no it means 32gb because they already take the overhead into account when making these requirements

>>720066393
I absolutely hate nvidia but as other anons have said, AMD is not really a viable competitor right now. Nvidia is also pretty good at pushing performance increases even when they have little market competition, hence why they're always on top. AMD is at least competent enough to take over if they see an opportunity, ie how they launched Ryzen after years of Intel resting on their laurels

>>720071315
Why do Europeans act like their countries are so great when it costs the typical American food budget just to run a light bulb for a month there?

>>720072024
they use literally same technology, direct x
you are retarded
mentally ill
unstable
lol

>>720066393
They don't compete on the high end and their upscalers are worse.

>>720066496
jeets can't optimize code for shit so it's all just a memory hog

>>720069692
That's why I care about raster performance. No GPU available on the market today can give me that kind of performance.

And as >>720069642 said, these deferred rendered games have very low res, so I need to supersample the fuck out of them to get a sharp image.

DLSS and MFG are bullshit, honestly, it boggles the mind that people are buying $1000+ GPUs and are fine with playing at upscaled 720p with fake frames.

>>720072169
Not buying it, chatbot.

>>720072112
>and that is not even counting ps5
We're talking about pc hardware, keep up.
>>720072135
cope and seethe. Path tracing is great and viable on poorfag gpus now. At least 3 more major releases getting it from now to early next year.

>>720072293
>they use literally same technology, direct x
Holy shit, you actually are a brown teenager with no real knowledge of this subject. Shut the fuck up, you don't even know what an API is or what it does.

>>720066393
>so brand loyal
I don't care what brand it is but they have the largest market share, their tech is better and everyone supports them. AMD is a second class citizen and unless they charge half as much, I see no reason to be second class

Nvidia aren't intel. Amd will never be able to overtake nvidia. The market dynamics between cpu and gpu markets are different too. There is no ryzen moment.

>>720072423
>i dont know enough to actually form an argument, maybe if I keep screeching like an autistic child i'll win the internet argument

>>720072361
Nah. It's all the spyware they shoved into all Take 2 games.

>>720072437
again, not even counting, you are retarded moron that cannot comprehend millions of customers are still customers
especially when there are two options
>>720072459
i am not the person you interacted with previously, it is kinda sad you do not even comprehend that both use literally the fucking same direct x pipeline and now you are triggered and type nonsense to divert from embaressment

>>720072532
Still not buying.

>>720066393
No CUDA, no buy, simple as

>>720072024
>make shadows 5% sharper and add some new shading technique to make skin-pores slightly more visible when the camera is 1cm away from someones face
>but make every game look like a blurry mess, add fake frames and up-scaling to make it even worse
>that will be a $1000 GPU upgrade

I hate modern games so much. Every game since fucking 2016 forward looks the same because everything looks like it's smeared with vaseline. I'm not even sure what the fuck it is. I would guess deferred rendering being such a broken limiting mess, since even without post-processing things look like shit.

>>720072490
Here's how AMD GPUs can come back:
>double VRAM and bandwidth
>provide a proper alternative to pytorch+cuda for windows that actually works on AMD cards
>ignore gaymer cattle

>>720072572
yeah you're right doom95 and cp2077 are basically the same thing. graphics have literally never advanced since 1995 because developers don't know what they're doing

>>720072785
lmao
these are all stupid ideas

>>720072747
We're also getting a LOT of the fuckwits who went to university to learn how to make video games coming to the fore.
It's gonna get worse before it gets better.

>>720070663
And 5070ti are still $1000-1100 here while a 9070xt costs $200 less

>>720072884
keep typing shit to cover up your embaressment fucking retard lol

>>720072785
>abandon the gaming gpu market because it's a waste of time with low margins

>>720072982
why can't developers do better than doom95? are they stupid or something?

>>720066393
>amd is really good right now
This dude complaining about brand loyalty then types some shit like this.

>>720073076
did i mentally break you?
go chat with chatgpt on how to come back from the embaressment fucking faggot retard

>>720066393
It just works.

If there's even the slightest chance you'll ever want to play around with AI shit, you'll regret getting AMD. They really need to make their cards a lot cheaper in order to make their limits worth it now.

>>720066393
AMD doesn't have DLSS and never will. Gamers today can't live without DLSS because without it you can't get good frame rates in modern games. Sure, FSR exists but it's ugly. Nvidia's RTX is also far superior to AMD's ray tracing solution, with twice as much performance in ray traced games.

>>720073130
>c-chatbot!
keep repeating that eventually you'll stop looking retarded

>>720073273
but ps5 uses same tech and everyone is fine with it?

>>720073273
AMD's first attempt at AI upscaling tech was better than Nvidia's first attempt.
If this trend keeps up, FSR5 will be better than DLSS5.

>>720073273
If you turn off raytracing you don't need to use DLSS.

>>720070548
>>720070714
>>720073273
I switched from 2070S to 9070XT and FSR4 is so good that DLSS is no longer a relevant reason to buy a GPU.

>>720065170 (OP)
I'm only buying Intel from here on out id they continue.

>>720073414
>turn off raytracing
They didn't tell you?
>>720073409
It also took them 7 years.

>>720073396
Nobody's fine with the current gen consoles. They just tolerate them because PC parts are prohibitively expensive and a PS5 costs less than the equivalent GPU never mind the extra price of SSDs, RAM, CPU or peripherals.

>>720073414
Good luck playing MGS Delta or Talos Principle remake without upscaling

>>720073373
>does not know both amd and nvidia use same dx pipeline
LOL LO LLO LL L LOL O LO LNIGGER NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER LOOOOL

>>720073584
>and a PS5 costs less than the equivalent GPU

>>720073452
FSR4 might be an improvement, but DLSS4 is even better. That's why AMD always loses, they're a generation behind every single generation since 2018. They still haven't figured out how to ray trace.

>>720065170 (OP)
>PS3 game
>minimum requirement is a PS5
Nuke this industry

>>720073584
>PS5 costs less than the equivalent GPU
a 2070 is $150
Used 3080 is about $300ish

>>720073680
There's a marginal difference at 4K.

>>720073680
u can ray trace on a rx570

>>720073625
I never mentioned either of those companies. Are you hallucinating posts now?

>>720073506
Yep. And when they update their modeler, it'll be even better (most of the work is done now, so the next iteration will take no time at all.)

>>720073680
>>720073761
Oh, and Transformer model DLSS is actually worse than the latest CNN models in Unreal Engine 5 games specifically, funnily enough

>>720073767 NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER

>>720073871
What the fuck? Are you actually having a schizo breakdown right now?

>>720066393
AMD fucking sucks compared to Nvidia cards.

That's it. It's not deeper than that. Anyone telling you otherwise is a tribalistic /v/ermin.

>>720073749
>2070
Bare-metal optimization makes the real world performance more like a 3090
>>720073764
But you'll get a small fraction of the performance you would get with RTX cores. These cores also greatly contribute to AI functionality, and if you're not messing around with AI, you're not living in the 2020s.

>>720073926
>messing around with ai
brother you are a tool

>>720071930
>one fucking time, before AMD even bought the company, they beat nvidia
okay, very cool. you could also cite a brief period later when nvidia made the shitty GTX 400 series and the highest end AMD card briefly took the performance crown maybe? wow, way to ignore the central point and try to worm around with a technicality. these isolated incidents obviously don't disprove the point anon made.

>>720073924
>AMD fucking sucks compared to Nvidia cards.
9070XT is very competitive with 5070ti, while actually having BETTER DRIVERS.

>>720066393
Modern games rely on dlss which AMD doesn't have and their business strategy is selling gpus that cost 50 bucks less than the nvidia equivalent

>>720073771
>Yep. And when they update their modeler
Why would they? If it's not going to work on console they care literally 0
Even if they did DLSS is already on a transformer model, they can improve even faster.
>>720073861
No it isn't
>oh noes there's slightly more ghosting on distant small objects moving quickly that I would never notice anyways.
>>720073926
>Bare-metal optimization makes the real world performance more like a 3090
Name one game. Just one

>>720074027
>Modern games rely on dlss which AMD doesn't have
FSR4 is just as good as DLSS4

>>720074083
DLSS is as good as it's ever going to get. FSR is better than DLSS3.5 so there's still room for improvement.
Face it; AMD is on the move!

>>720074083
>that I would never notice anyways.
Literally skill issue.
I also found DLSS to be the only upscaling method to have issue with post process effects in Oblivion remaster

>>720071752
>When you use DLSS, DLAA is applied under the hood.
no, DLSS is not capable of outputting "no AA" images. it's a neural net trained to take raw past frames and pump out an image with as little aliasing as possible. this has always been it's purpose. it was meant as a combined upscaler and AA from the start and that's what it does.
DLSS isn't upscaling plus DLAA.
DLAA is DLSS minus the upscaling.
both are a form of TAA.

>>720074083
Monster Hunter Wilds and Borderlands 4 will actually run on the PS5. Those games are sub-60 even on the 5060 Ti on low settings.

>>720074017
>while actually having BETTER DRIVERS
LMAO
Nvidia's current state of drivers might not be as good as their older drivers, but they are still miles better than the current state of AMD drivers.

>>720074218
they made significant improvements to DLSS not that long ago. how do you figure they've hit a ceiling?

both approaches have the same ceiling since they do the same thing now. they can still get better at reconstructing detail from past frames, and they can also get better at hallucinating detail where past frames aren't helping. but the ceiling is: you cannot reconstruct where past frames didn't look. and hallucination can only get so good. that's the real ceiling of an AI based TAA algorithm. it's the same limitation any TAA algorithm has. "disocclusion artifacts" is a technical term for it.

>>720074357
>Those games are sub-60 even on the 5060 Ti on low settings.
They run at 60 on ps5?

>dlss2 is so good man wow
>dlss3 comes out
>dlss2 may have been shit but this is a game changer, better than native!
>dlss4 comes out
>dlss3 may have ben blurry mess slow artifacting shit, but this is the real game changer now
>dlss5 comes out...
total nvidiot genocide

>almost 20 years ago
>do fresh windows install
>try to install amd drivers
>error, error, error
>ask for help on their forums
>"works on my machine", "you must be doing something wrong"
>turns out the piece of shit driver needed some weird .net package that didnt come with itself
>only knew this because after months of being virtually without a gpu, ive downloaded some low spec pirated game to play and it had that specific .net as part of the installation
amd niggers are a fucking cult

>>720074096
How many games feature fsr4 without some jury rigging bullshit?

>>720074484
>but they are still miles better than the current state of AMD drivers.
I had to use last year's drivers to use my old 2070S without random black screen and even crashes.
I've switched to 9070XT in May and the only single crash I had was due to botched attempt at undervolting.

And AMD has superior gaming feature set via drivers. RIS2 is heavily under looked, while Nvidia Image Sharpening is pretty shit.

>>720074735
practically none of them!

>>720074707
>things that never happen

>>720074735
Not an issue if you're not a casual

>>720074495
Because AMD's eventual 1:1 copy of DLSS will be offered on cheaper hardware with more VRAM and better drivers.

>>720074764
Yeah those nvidia drivers became pajeet tier ever since 50xx came out

>>720074831
thanks for reinforcing my theory, amdownie

>>720074981
>theory
yeah keep making shit up for whatever reason

>>720074707
Being petty because of some thing that happened 20 years ago is peak retardation.

>>720074915
how would you go from this weirdly partisan, weirdly optimistic claim to
>DLSS is as good as it's ever going to get.
fucking console warring NPC

>>720066393
ai

>>720066393
I've had Nvidia cards ever since I was a kid in the early 2000s, some of them were better value than others but every single one of them just werks. The ONE time I had an AMD card in 2011 I had all sorts of problems with drivers and thermals, to the point I had to just get rid of it after a little over a year. Unless I have a catastrophic experience with Nvidia I'm not compelled to switch to AMD

The future of gaming involves heavy usage of AI and nvidia are the global leaders in AI hardware. AMD missed the boat. It's too late for them to catch up. All the cool AI features will either be made by nvidia or will be best on nvidia. AMD are at least a decade behind nvidia right now.

>>720075023
>>720075039
you were, are and will always be worse than nvidia, coping amdownies

>>720074357
Bullshit, a 5060ti is like 2x+ the base ps5 gpu. No amount of "optimization" is going to make up for that.
Processor in the ps5/pro is also slower than an alder lake i3 (https://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=Intel+Core+i3-12100&id=4687), there's a reason only like 2 ue5 games actually hold 60fps on console.
>>720074657
DLSS 1 was good at 4k
DLSS 2 made Quality 1080p and Balanced 1440p good too.
DLSS 3.5 (ray reconstruction) made rt and path tracing at low resolutions stable
DLSS transformer made balanced better than native and performance comparable to/ lot of the time even better than quality was in 2020.

>>720075039
>unironically replying to underage greentext retard

>>720066393
It's pretty much the apple of PC Gamers, no matter what AMD does they will never switch to AMD

>>720075287
>DLSS 1 was good at 4k
No, it wasn't. It was inferior to simply lowering the resolution and using sharpening.
FSR1 beat the shit out of DLSS1, despite being able to work in literally everything, even non-video games

>>720072378
>DLSS and MFG are bullshit
DLSS is absolutely not bullshit. If a game relies on TAA (the vast majority of modern games), it drastically improves image quality. With the Transformer model, it even maintains clarity in motion.
>>720074915
It will be a while before FSR 4 has the kind of support DLSS already has, and by that point Nvidia will be inventing some new proprietary bullshit that AMD will take 2 years to copy.
>>720075287
>DLSS 1 was good at 4k
Let's not be hasty...

>>720074261
Except DLSS is not the name for the neural network model.
>DLAA is DLSS minus the upscaling.
No. DLSS is DLAA plus the upscaling. "DLSS minus the upscaling" makes no sense because DLSS is defined by its ability to upscale. You have the tech stack inversed.
But yes, you're forced to use DLAA with DLSS because they've built it into the model during training.

>>720075287
>DLSS transformer made [...] performance comparable to/ lot of the time even better than quality was in 2020.
does that really count if it also costs more? I mean, do the gains from lowering input resolution even make up for the loss from transformer costs?

>>720065170 (OP)
can't wait for BL4 to have that infamous Unreal 5 stutter that they wont fix for months / years while trying to pump out DLC and micros the whole time

>>720075506
are you saying that DLSS at some point internally produces an aliased image? because I would strongly demand you give a source for that. would be the first time I hear anyone make that claim in all the years since DLSS first came out and nvidia gave presentations on how it works.

>>720075575
Real gamers will not complain!

>>720075551
>I mean, do the gains from lowering input resolution even make up for the loss from transformer costs?
Mostly. Older RTX gpus have more overhead to the point it might not be worth it.

>>720075551
>does that really count if it also costs more?
On my 2070S at 4K, it was at least twice as expensive.
4K DLSS Performance was like 2.7 ms, while Transformer added another 3 ms.

But for some reason people only test the performance impact on older GPUs at 1080p, when the difference in performance isn't as noticeable

>>720065170 (OP)
I don't know how reliable that is. AMD's report puts them at 22% market share for the 9000 series, up 7% from what they had during the 7000 series.

>>720066761
>Being a Radeon fanboy
You shouldn't fanboy anyone.
But I really hate nvidia.

I fully expect this game to bomb hard.
$80 for a game that half my friends cant even run on recommended specs?
And its not technologically impressive?
And it's fucking borderlands?

>>720065170 (OP)
Most amd cards here are priced very close to nvidia making them really not worth it you'd be shooting yourself in the foot going for an inferior card.

>people choose the better product
its just really that simple

>>720075725
ah so it's a tensor core count problem, a bandwidth problem. meaning on older cards one should prioritize the cheaper DLSS at whatever res is necessary to get a decent image out of it, and on newer cards the transformer model allows reaping the gains from an even lower input res.

>>720073396
console users have way lower standards. they played the whole of 7th gen games at 24fps and 8th gen at 30.

>>720075938
At 4K CNN Performance with some CAS looks close enough.

>>720075551
Older cards I've tested it on are a 2070, 2080ti, and 3080. Definitely still worth using, looking at a 10%ish difference in almost every scenario
Transformer ray reconstruction is super heavy on turing and ampere but you probably weren't going to use that on anything other than a 3090/ti anyways

>>720075938
>>720076083
Transformer without CAS.

>>720076083
In motion, though?

>>720076083
>>720076152
And since there's no point in comparing graphics themselves in JPEG
https://files.catbox.moe/zkxac1.png
https://files.catbox.moe/a11mti.png

>>720074357
Yeah at 800p low/medium settings upscaled with dogshit FSR2 and unstable 50fps

>>720066393
AMD hasn't made a graphics card in the performance segment I'm interested in for over a decade now. They've been eternally behind since Maxwell, or Pascal if you want to be generous.

>>720072785
>Here's how AMD GPUs can come back:
Make prices cheaper. Undercut NVidia's GPU prices

>>720066393
>brand loyal
It's the opposite actually because normally you should only buy the better product to encourage the better product to keep being better.

If a product is inferior in every way but you still buy it and then encourage other people to buy that inferior product, then you are a brand loyalist.

/thread

>>720076190
Almost everyone accepted late CNN DLSS image quality, both static and in motion, especially at 4K

most older GPUs are forcefully getting sunsetted due to the extreme recommended specs that all these Unreal 5 games expect of us

Essentially buy a $700 gpu if you even want 60+ fps because no one is trying to optimize their games anymore

this might be the curve for people to start buying console instead of PC just because they care enough to make it work on console

>>720075642
>are you saying that DLSS at some point internally produces an aliased image?
Yes, it does this through DLAA, which is baked into the neural network model. None of this is new information, it's just a nuance around the terms themselves.

>>720070923
>US Fed Gov now owns 10% Intel stock to
I hope president trump fixes intel and this will be the start of a new movement, the make intel great again movement. So in addition to MAGA, we will have MIGA, and you all can be my MIGAs.

>>720076396
I don't understand all of these people who thought that they would be able to buy a gpu and use it forever. Are you guys just new to pc gaming? When you bought your gpu, how long did you expect it to last?

>>720076279
I accept it, and I can recognize that I'm getting nitpicky at the upper bounds of visually fidelity, but I can still put forward that Transformer in motion is a step above.
>>720076396
Imagine how bad developers will get when consoles come with FSR 4. We're going to see internal resolutions in the gutter.

>>720076596

usually if i buy a new GPU i want it to last 5 years, as long as a console generation.

>>720076396
Yes, just buy a $750 PS Pro for 40 FPS in MGS delta with no way to turn the graphics down, bro. That is surely better

Nvidia is better in both hardware and software

>>720076806
What can't you play with a 3060?

>>720076929
>and software
What is this, H1 2024?
That's not true since at least October 2024

>>720076641
>We're going to see internal resolutions in the gutter.
Good news is that the ps6 unless they want to charge $1500 is probably going to be a sidegrade from the pro in raw performance but with some variation of fsr4 + usable raytracing.
As long as you're on a 5070 or 4070 super you're probably good until games start actually wanting more than 12gb (maybe rtx ntc saves the day before that?)
>>720076806
2070 came out 2 years before the current gen and still outdoes them if you can accept that in like 5 games you're going to have slightly shittier textures.
If you want a "high end" experience you're going to have to accept paying more and doing so more frequently. It's how it's always been, and how it will always be.
>muh 1080ti
Was getting raped by low-midrange turing after like 3/4 years. Thinking the card was some insane anomaly is a reddit tier opinion.

>>720075045
Sorry I bashed your preferred brand in favor of mine.

>>720077128
spotted remorseful 2070 owner lol

>>720076929
>Nvidia is better in both hardware
only if you care about upscaling, which looks like shit in anything other than native-res antialiasing, or frame generation, which always looks like shit and adds RNG latency to your inputs
>and software
>in 2025
top jej

imagine paying the Nvidia tax to look at fake interpolated frames derived from jittered player input with drivers that are increasingly dogshit because the only market segment Nvidia caters to anymore is the LLM hentai JPEG audience

>>720076569
>MIGA
Sorry, there's another MIGA that comes first but hey wouldn't you know it, Intel has development there too. What are the fucking chances.

i like the software that comes with nvidia cards it allows you to change a lot more settings compared to AMD. The Nvidia control panel

>>720076569
They still don't even have any 3D Cache chips coming and it's been over 3 years since the 5800X3D. Intel is cooked.

>>720076596
i used my last one for 8 years
desu if Valve didn't update their game I wouldn't have upgraded at all, i don't have much interest in modern games

>>720073095
CPU wise, he's not wrong. Intel are retards now when it comes to CPUs. I went from AMD to Intel to AMD. lol

>>720066393
FSR4 is legitimately good for once and fixes all the aliasing issues its on par with DLSS. But I do agree with everyone else that AMD did mess up on pricing and proving that their performance is stable as Nvidia. It also does not help AMD did hurt itself with Kingdom Hearts with a driver issue for a year and people are slow to trust them again.

>>720076278
>nvidia
>better
If you need a nuclear reactor to power a GPU to get 10% better performance, at $1500 above what the competition is selling you, you would only buy Lamborginis too.
The 6800XT is the best card of the past half a decade.

>>720077938
AMD GPUs use more power than Nvidia what are you talking about

>>720078138
>AMD GPUs use more power than Nvidia
What AMD GPU used morre poiwer than the 4090? Which one uses more power than the 5090?

>>720078138
the power of marketing

>>720078285
What is this retarded ass logic? So you're saying AMD is better because they gave up at making high end GPUs? Those cards don't have an AMD equivalent

>>720075149
This is a key point many forget. Yes AMD has its software suite near Nvidia but problem is the stability has always made new people who will consider them think twice. AMD needs to be stable and not have issues with launch or games. Even if they do and work on it ASAP that would be helpful to people as a whole.

>>720078138
>AMD is better because they have less options

>>720078374
He's a brand loyalist, he doesn't understand what is best for him, he just blindly follows his masters

>>720076484
did you read my question right? I asked about an ALIASED image. at what stage of the process does DLSS produce an ALIASED image?

step 1: input several low resolution, aliased images
step 2: ?
step 3: ??
...?
final step: output one high resolution image with little to no aliasing

go ahead and fill in the blanks if you know what you're talking about. you can't because it doesn't work that way of course.
DLSS samples from the input frames directly into one high resolution output frame, no intermediate steps like first upscaling, then AA or vice versa. you're claiming (even if you don't understand this, you're still implying it) that DLAA is a kind of stage in the process. in my mental model it's obvious how DLAA would differ from DLSS - you simply do the same thing except your input images are the same size as the output images. simple and exactly how nvidia themselves describe it. your claim on the other hand requires more explanation to even make sense.
>it does this through DLAA, which is baked into the neural network model
you wanna "bake" one neural net into another? what? that's gonna give you jumbled garbage data. neural nets cannot be combined that way. you could run two neural nets on an image sequentially but that's not what DLSS does.

here's what nvidia themselves say:
>DLSS Super Resolution boosts performance by using AI to output higher-resolution frames from a lower-resolution input. DLSS samples multiple lower-resolution images and uses motion data and feedback from prior frames to construct high-quality images..
>[...] DLAA uses the same Super Resolution technology developed for DLSS, constructing a more realistic, high-quality image at native resolution.
https://developer.nvidia.com/rtx/dlss
nvidia themselves explain DLAA as literally DLSS at native res. but you want to flip the labels and call the central algorithm of DLSS "DLAA"? I'll take nvidia's word for what their own labels mean.

>>720065170 (OP)
I couldn't care less. Haven't bought or not planning on buying anything from Nvidia. I pick Intel GPU or AMD over Nvidia any day if it means saving me money.

>>720066393
poor and tech illiterate

>>720065170 (OP)
RTX 5000 is a massive flop

>AIB shipments
>source JPR

oh no the chinks who sell laptops with iGPUs and prebuilds with 4060's are dominating the market
go fuck yourself

>>720078378
>AMD needs to be stable and not have issues with launch or games
Not even that, the card would become scorching hot and crash my entire system whenever I played fucking The Binding of Isaac(the flash one)

Comparing DLSS4 and FSR4 is pointless because the person who has one cannot have the other. They're both exclusive to separated chips. 90% of people who claim to know which one is better or worse are just quoting what they saw in some jewtuber's video.

>>720073926
>If you're not a jeet AIslopper, you're not living in the 2020s
What did he mean by this?

>>720072246
Your food budget's massive tho?

RX 7900 XTX 24GB here. I don't care.

>>720079395
>RTX 5000 is a massive flop
Steam stats tho

>>720066761

9070xt performs like a 5070ti and 5080 depending on the game and is onyl $70 extra? cheap

>>720078374
Selling a card for 5 times more, for 1.6x the performance, while consuming 1.8x the wattage, just so you can brag of "winning"
I call it anti-consumer

>>720079951
9070xt is $700, the ones for $650ish are out of stock (permanently)
>5080
Only in ue5 releases on the old version of the engine with no pc optimization.

>>720077535
its lost technology at intel

>>720079761
>Steam stats tho
poorfags tho

>>720080134
the cheapest 9070xt there is 612 and just wait for it to be in stock? retarded monkey brain

I like it when my drivers work. Sorry amdfags.

>see the thread
>enter it
>ctrl+f DLSS
>80 results
Yeap, that's exactly what I expected. NVidia somehow won hardware competition because of software.

>>720080410
>9070xt there is 612 and just wait for it to be in stock
It will never be in stock, retarded monkey brain

>>720080012
>I call it anti-consumer
You don't have to buy. How is it anti consumer at all to have a more expensive product? That doesn't even make sense.

>>720076569
Remind me what is it called when the government seizes the means of production?

>>720080482
>noooo im making stuff up just trust me bro aiiiiieeeeeeeee
go buy your obsolete 5070 buddy

>>720066393
amd sucks bro, FSR is a joke and there's something i call "The AMD Tax" which is all the software problems you get using it

AMD cant shake the reputation of games just not working right with their cards, even if its not really an issue these days

>>720065170 (OP)
I was told the 7800x3d is the best cpu for gaming until the newer one came out

>>720070896
So what? not like it's 2x either it's more like 1.25 or 1.5

>muh gimmicks
>muh GPU

you're fucking brown

>>720079761
Steam is compromised. Novideo has been paying valve to artificially inflate the number of nividia GPUs and downplay the number of AMD GPUs. 5000 series is a massive flop with nvidia bleeding money left and right. AMD is most likely outselling nvidia at least 5 to 1 by now.

>>720080621
>Fsr is a joke
HBU already made a video showing it looks nearly identical to DLSS4

>>720080870
>5000 series is a massive flop
fact
>nvidia bleeding money left and right
fact, but trying to cope with AI and datacenters instead
>AMD is most likely outselling nvidia at least 5 to 1 by now.
need source on that

>>720081004
>HBU
Might as well reference userbenchmark. They're a shill and monitor review channel at this point.

>>720081174
>nooo your source is not legitimate
>and i wont link a legitimate source either just make statements aiiiiiiieeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

>>720066393
AMD was just behind for the last 10 years. The moment they finally caught up on raster performance they were behind on ray tracing, even though barely anyone used it, many didn't want to risk not being able to have the best experience because of 100$ more. Then came the AI upscaling and AMD was behind again, dlss was just the better technology and an Nvidia card could use both.
Just now with the 9070 XT and FSR4 we see a more level playing field.

>dlss that
>rtx this
>cuda that

this entire thread feels like a fucking marketing shill campaign which isn't unusual when it comes Njudea

>>720080634
and most of that is from Nvidia leaving stray driver files after uninstallation that fuck with AMD cards
it's the whole reason DisplayDriverUninstaller exists and most people don't even know that utility exists, so when they switch to an AMD card it magically runs like shit and crashes randomly

>>720066393
i really wanted to buy AMD this year just because NVIDIA started to look like a monopoly, but it just wasn't an alternative

i'm hopeful AMD makes a GPU comeback, they aren't a small company after all

>>720081319
When you're out of the loop and when you last followed PC hardware discussion in 2018, it probably does sound like that.

>>720066496
it does seem kinda low

>>720081319
All 3 of those are extremely relevent

>>720081263
And before that they had all these driver issues. Exact numbers are hard to come by, but the few retailers that publish their numbers indicate that the 9070 XT and 9060 XT 16gb are selling really well and are reclaiming market share. Plus the current push towards Linux gaming night benefit AMD since the Linux drivers have better support than Nvidia.

>>720065170 (OP)
i am happy with what i have

>>720080514
>How is it anti consumer at all to have a more expensive product?
Why is it ancti-consumer to pay 5x for 1.6x the performance?
Who knows. Maybe those numbers can tell you something about that.

>>720066393
>loyalty
It's more like inertia. Most people aren't going to look deeper and perform a value analysis or examine the company behind the products. If they buy something, and it just werks, they'll buy it again, and nvidia's gpus have been consistently good for years and years. Unfortunately it means AMD's only hope is that Nvidia fucks up so badly even normies can't ignore it.

>>720066393
built my first pc in 2022. both gpus i bought have been nvidia although only one of them was msrp, the other was bought used for a deep discount. i buy nvidia because apparently CUDA really is just that good. I use stablediffusion and yes you can do it on AMD but from what i hear its not nearly as justwerks as on nvidia. I also use premiere pro and ive been told by people smarter than me that intel + CUDA is the go to combo because of quick sync and CUDA. Also DLSS > FSR and maybe if i used linux AMD would be cool but i use windows (10). tl;dr nvidia tends to get higher framerates, has better upscaling, and is generally justwerks.

>>720081935
>I use stablediffusion
ew

>>720081474
>I'm the one out of the loop

You nigger cattle literally buy Nvidia GPUs that REQUIRE integral scaling like DLSS to function in 2025 or games won't run, literally, won't even hit 5 fps. You are the biggest joke on this planet to ever exist. Getting scammed was never this fucking easy. Nvidia fucked you. Raw. Don't get upset about the fucking tho, you paid them to fuck you. Just remember when that new DLSS 5 drops and that locked feature only is available to the new GPUs that you will be fucked again.

>>720066393
They're brand slaves like applefags and snoys

>>720080585
If my country could completely own a semiconductor company, that R&D'd their own proprietary chips, to power anything from the military, to home computers, by undercutting the competition, at least domestically, while employing local workers to do so, I would call it good use of tax payer money.
If that's comunism, I'm down for it.

>>720081993
>DLSS to function in 2025 or games won't run, literally, won't even hit 5 fps.
I play at 1440p DLAA, that's native resolution. Way more than 5fps.
>Just remember when that new DLSS 5 drops and that locked feature only is available to the new GPUs that you will be fucked again.
Funny you say that, because most of DLSS4's feature set works on even the oldest RTX GPU. It wasn't locked to the newest cards.

Thanks for confirming what I wrote, that you're out of the loop and just angrily lash out at whatever you don't understand.

>>720068132
i have a 14700k and it works well and does everything i want it to. whats the issue ?

>>720081993
It's the same on AMD (and by extension console), but there you have to use the much shittier fsr.
Seethe all you want but the superior upscale is a huge deal.
DLSS featureset and it's updates other than framegen has continued to work on Turing.

>>720082381
>It's the same on AMD
It's not because AMD beat Nvidia in raster performance.

>>720082180
>I play at 1440p DLAA, that's native resolution. Way more than 5fps.
DLAA is not native resolution. Nice try though. Way more than 5 fps. So you play at 10? Congratulations.

>most of DLSS4's feature set works on even the oldest RTX GPU
it doesn't and never will
not a single RTX 10xx will perform at DLSS4 "feature" set the same way the 5000 does you are literally retarded

You are not only out of the loop. You by definition a shit eating, tech illiterate. Shut the fuck up. You nigger cattle.

you ever notice how pc fags spend all this time talking about pc parts but rarely if ever actually discuss GAMES?

>>720082339
I like how this gif is around 10 years old and still relevant.

>>720082453
They literally don't at any price point other than the 9070 vs 5070 and it's like 5% in most games. You're actually retarded.

>>720082205
IT IS RUSTING FROM THE INSIDE
IT'S OVER

>>720082460
>DLAA is not native resolution.
DLAA is native resolution.
>not a single RTX 10xx will perform at DLSS4 "feature" set the same way the 5000 does you are literally retarded
There is no RTX 10xx card. You are trying to confidently posture like you know what you're talking about, but you clearly don't. Like I said, you're randomly just throwing out angry buzzwords because you're angry and out of the loop.

Have a good day.

>>720082530
i updated bios and it has zero problems. ive had it since launch. i doubt it will rust. from what people have said the 14900s are the ones that rust not so much the 14700s

Nvidia is basically the apple of GPUs and it's followers are the same retard "it just werks" knuckle draggers sweeping the fact the nvidia GPUs have more problems than AMD these days.

>>720082460
>DLAA is not native resolution
Way to invalidate your post.

ITT sour grapes

>>720082604
>DLAA is native resolution

>DLAA is similar to Deep Learning Super Sampling (DLSS) in its anti-aliasing method,[2] with one important differentiation being that the goal of DLSS is to increase performance at the cost of image quality,[3] whereas the main priority of DLAA is improving image quality at the cost of performance

And now you go and kill yourself.

>Like I said, you're randomly just throwing out angry buzzwords because you're angry and out of the loop.

GTX 10xx sorry for the typo shit eating nigger cattle.

>>720082732
>Way to invalidate your post.

try again niglet

>>720066393
dlss and it just works

>>720068132
they can't compete with 3d v cache

>>720082873
>Meanwhile on Nvidia

>>720082873
PSU (skill) issue

>>720082873
you've been seething about it for over 2 years now, rakesh
every driver crashes from time time no matter if it's jewidia or ayymd

>>720083248
A psu is going to cause a driver timeout? You're retarded

>>720082750
DLAA is native. Go use any overlay software to test it, it makes your game run at native. Sorry if you're too retarded to understand this stuff.
>GTX 10xx sorry for the typo shit eating nigger cattle.
Well then they're not RTX cards, are they dumbass-kun?

>>720082750
NTA, but you're retarded. Where does your quote say anything about resolution? You're so fucking retarded you don't even know what resolution means. It's the amount of pixels, imbecile.

For example, DLSS performance renders the game at 50% resolution. So if your game is set to 3840×2160 (4K), then the game internally renders everything at 1920x1080 (1080p). I.e. it's NOT native resolution.
But DLAA renders the game at 100% resolution. If your game is set to 3840×2160 (4K), then the game internally renders everything at 3840×2160 (4K), i.e. at NATIVE RESOLUTION.

Don't forget to thank me for educating you, retard.

>he fell for Nvidia

must be a brownoid

>>720066393
AMD stand for Ah, my drivers...

>>720082460
>DLSS doesn't work on my 10 year old card waaah
It works on GPUs from 2018 time to upgrade

>>720083391
>DLAA is native
yeah see except it's not little retarded nigger cattle, it needs DLSS to function which is scaling

you need to override it with DLSS at first to use it

in other words kill yourself again

>>720083526
but you just claimed it feature set works on most GPUs? what happened Nvidia shill? Didn't I mention that Nvidia will fuck you raw again once DLSS5 drops? What happened?

>>720083536
You're right anon, the SS in DLAA stands for Super Sampling.

>>720083536
>it needs DLSS to function which is scaling
>you need to override it with DLSS at first to use it
hahahaha, what a fucking idiot
look at this idiot and laugh

>>720083536
Go use any overlay and test it, it's native. You won't though, you'll just throw angry buzzwords in this thread because your GTX1050Ti isn't the focus anymore.

>>720068132
5 years ago AMD got on par with 10/11th gen Intel's with Ryzen 5000 CPUs. From there intel has just fallen behind while consuming 2-3x the wattage.

When Intel had a massive lead with Sandy bridge CPUs in 2011 they stagnated for almost a decade and didn't up the core counts or IPC by a meaningful amount until the first Ryzen CPUs hit the market.

>>720083625
You were dropped as child multiple times. I see no issues here. Absolutely neck yourself.

>>720083621
>You're right anon, the SS in DLAA stands for Super Sampling.

of course I'm right, and the deep learning stands for scaling with "AI" their shitty tensor cores

>>720066393
got burned by AMD GPUs before and never again

>>720083851
What's stopping you from testing it yourself?

>>720083607
DLSS4 upscaling works on 7 year old cards from 2018. FSR4 works on 2025 AMD cards only. Cope more.

>>720083674
>go test it

go fuck yourself nigger cattle

>>720076569
>I hope president trump fixes intel

Lmao

>>720084003
>DLSS upscaling works
I bet it fucking doesn't especially not on older GPUs. Reply again once you figured that out.

>>720082873
Weird how I have never seen this on my 7900XTX even in Helldivers 2 which has GPU utilization at 99%

>>720084008
What are you so upset about?

>>720065170 (OP)
is all speculative ai slop investor money. when the bubble pops they will lose all that valuation and probably mroe

>>720083607
Retarded zoomer. You probably were not even born when GPUs were constantly getting outdated because of new features. Shader model 1.1, shader model 2.0, shader model 3.0, all the DX8, DX9, DX10 feature set compatibilities. The game box would have "requires DX9-compatible GPU" and it wouldn't even fucking launch.
I remember I could run Silent Hill 2 on my Geforce 4 MX, but then I couldn't even launch SH3 which was created for the same PS2 console mere 1.5 years later. And you complain that your 8-year-old GPU doesn't support some minor upscaling feature. Upgrade your PC, clown.

>>720066393
AMD fucking sucks; their deal is you pay 10% less than the Nvidia card equivalent that has a bit more sheer performance at the cost of never ending headaches over troubleshooting random bullshit

>>720084205
who is upset about what here Nvidia shill

Newfag here
What GPU should I get if I want to play shit like GTA V, elden ring and rdr2 at 720p, with stable 60 fps?
I don't really care about ray tracing or AI or any of that gay shit
Oh and my budget is 400 dollars

>>720065170 (OP)
All these resources for a trash game.
Also, fuck UE5.

>>720084286
All he did was ask you to test it and you started freaking out.

>>720083536
Hey, explain why do the games have the following choices:
>DLSS performance
>DLSS balanced
>DLSS quality
>DLAA
Why does it suddenly drop DLSS from the name? It's a simple question.

>>720084291
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/rrqNnQ/pny-dual-fan-oc-geforce-rtx-5060-ti-16-gb-video-card-vcg5060t16dfxpb1-o

>>720084465
it doesn't
the DL is still in that name
god damn you niggers are fucking low iq

>>720083385
yes because it's crashing due to insufficient power delivery

>>720084371
>all he did

ok what else did he do besides being factually wrong

>>720084743
He just asked you to test it yourself.

>>720066393
I'm not loyal to Nvidia, they just make better products and so I buy them. The moment AMD makes a better product I will go to them. People fixate on VRAM but the reality is, I have never had an issue with VRAM and by the time I do I'll be upgrading anyway. There's more to it than just VRAM. People want you to buy worse products to stick it to one company but the average person doesn't give a shit about your GPU wars. Make a better product and the people will come, end of story.

>>720066393
CUDA
Someone also said it too, if AMD had something as good as CUDA then the world wouldn't be so dependant of nvidia.

>>720084785
good for him write him an e-mail

>>720084274
Never had a single driver problem with them. Nothing to troubleshoot.

AMD had shit drivers decades ago, on their first GPUs, which is the main reason of the distrust for them; but then they completely rewrote the drivers from scratch. Now they are good.

I would be more worried about the Nvidia controversial power connectors melting or getting fire.

>>720084932
I don't understand why you're so upset about this.

>>720084678
>deeplearning

>>720084742
It'll take the entire system with it. A psu not being up to the task is a hard restart with nothing else, there's not going to be a popup about a driver timeout or whatever.
Won't be anything in any type of log or anything either

>>720084896
CUDA isn't "good" it's just a full-stack software monopoly
it's PhysX all over again

>>720066393
Nvidia lets me run a ton of AI models on my home PC. I will never consider AMD solely for this reason. AMD is fucking backwards for not supporting generative AI.

>>720084678
>a nigger with gtx 1050 calls rich white people niggers

>>720084960
>It'll take the entire system with it. A psu not being up to the task is a hard restart with nothing else, there's not going to be a popup about a driver timeout or whatever.
GPU power connectors are typically on a separate rail since like 10 years ago so you're wrong

>>720066393
>brand loyal
It is not? people simply choose better product. what amd card is better than current flagship nvidia card? none.

AMD is way better this generation compared to Nvidia

>>720084892
Vram isn't a problem if you game at 1080p like 2006 players dumbass.
But for 1440p and 4k it's a problem.

Nvidia is the choice of poor tech illiterate niggers

It's the wave of nigger cattle that thought they gained performance by upscaling pixels

>>720084892
This. AMD is fucking Intel right now because they're making better CPUs. AMD GPUs are not better than Nvidia GPUs so why would expect people to buy them? It's common sense.

>>720085052
What happens when it's too much for the power supply is all the same, just a shutdown or restart with nothing else popping up.

>>720084987
Well, every other software alternative to isn't good enough to beat that monopoly, and pretty much anything AI related is dependant to CUDA. I would ditch nvidia the moment someone brings a cheaper but also just as good option to go against jensen's empire.

>Nvidia in 2025
Why would you ever do this unless you're an indian?

>>720085254
you're wrong and too old to adapt

>>720085064
Not with future neural texture support

>>720085101
>VRAM usage scales with display resolution
retard

>>720085310
You're actually retarded. I can't tell if you're just doing pic related or just genuinely trying to argue on something you don't know a thing about.

>AMD is worse!!
>why?
>uhm their drivers were bad like 10 year ago that's why!

>>720066393
>>720085054
terminally online people don't understand how the real world works

if your brand is number 1 in a category then people will overwhelmingly pick you by default without doing much research
the end

>>720085423
you're the one who went "nuh uh" first retard

>>720085386
Yes thats how it works you fucking retard.
How did you get out of school with that negative IQ?

>>720066393
Nvidia rtx has ai video upscaling in realtime which is amazing for hehe browser based content ;)
Also has way better proprietary auto hdr converting for sdr games which is a must in the current year

>>720085027
>rich white people
they don't buy Nvidia and never will unlike the millions of chinkoids with their iGPUs and poor brownoids

>>720085480
10 years is not a long time unless you're a zoomer

Had it since AUG 2023 and never had an issue.
It just werks

This entire thread reminds me of why i rejected modernity and embraced retro permanently.

>>720066393
it's not loyalty but lack of choice
amd is nvidia puppet and everyone understands that
intel is just appeared, people showed an interest already, but nvidia bought tsmc manufacturing time years ahead, and intel can't produce more cards

i hope one day lisa and the jacket got sued and imprisonment for life or met their own luigi

>>720073273
>you can't get good frame rates in modern games
Good thing I don't play modern gaymes

>>720082143
I'm down for your erasure.

>>720086645
Lisa Hu is Huangs relative. Do you really believe the don't collude together? Of course they do. From AI to GPUs to fucking anything. He told her no high end GPUs anymore and boom here we are.

Intel can buy more from TSMC any time they just don't. Nvidia is pressured by investors to bring quarterly results so they book like 90% of TSMC availability in silicon, which should never be the case ever.

>>720086902
I would have killed for a high end 9070XTX 32GB VRAM just for FSR4 as apparently it's fucking amazing.

>>720086902
> Intel can buy more from TSMC any time
for extra $$ reflected in the product price

>>720065170 (OP)
Investing in AMD for sweet returns after UDNA launch.

>>720085110
DLSS works without looking like someone applied Vaseline and sand across the screen.

>>720088879
It's a TAA solution.
DLSS still looks like someone applied Vaseline.

>>720076569
dumbest post in this entire thread
congrats

>>720088943
I'm playing Cronos right now and DLSS looks loads better than FSR3.

>>720089182
>FSR3 out of nowhere
Rent free.

>>720089236
What other upscaling solution did you think I was comparing DLSS to, dumbo?

>>720089350
Nowhere in the reply chain did anyone bring up AMD or FSR.
They literally called you out for being a DLSS merchant.

>>720066393
I would have gotten a 9070 xt instead of a 5070 ti, if they existed at msrp (and weren't that one gigabyte model with thermal compound pump out)

>>720089703
I accept your consession DLSS Merchant

>>720083061
Which games actually make use of this?
I got a 9800X3D for a new rig a few months ago, but I'm not actually sure which games would benefit from the 3D Vcache

>>720085110
I bought a 5070ti but I always disable DLSS or TAA in games cause they look like ass

I think I'll get a 7800xt next month for Borderlands 4 at 1440p180 with no FSR, no framegen, no ambient occlusion, and postprocessing on low

>>720084149
NTA but it works on my 2060 just fine.

>>720084149
it works, but it looks like shit because interpolation is always garbage

>>720085925
Honestly it feels like this industry hasn't progressed at all since Gen 7. You could give up your retro-only ways and come back to modernity only to find that you've missed nothing at all. We might as well still have the Xbox 360, Wii and PS3 on the market

>>720065170 (OP)
>100GB size
Jesus Christ they can't into compression.

Intelbros, status?

>>720090324
>Jesus Christ they can't into compression.
I've made a habit out of checking the Fitgirlrepacks website just to see how much smaller these downloads could be if you actually compressed assets and removed assets that could be an optional download like audio files for 50 different languages

>>720066393
If AMD actually competed with Nvidia id buy Radeon. Instead they make subpar shit that runs hot and wont even match a 5080 at the highest end.

>hardware sales thread
JPR stats are mostly prebuilt and laptop sales to non gaming customers. That comes down to corporate relationships and shipping volume, not consumer choice. Not saying nvidia isn’t a winner in that market, but JPR also shows Intel as having majority CPU market share after years of AMD releases topping Amazon and mindfactory. The real steam hardware survey stats are less apocalyptic and they still include nvidia powered gaming cafe machines in asia

>>720065170 (OP)
Why would you play that slop

>DLSS
>FSR
Imagine paying $1000 for a graphics card so it can use AI to guess what your game should look like

>>720090324
Are you so poor you can't afford a 4TB NVME SSD lmao

>>720065170 (OP)
How badly will a 5800X3D+RX7600 rig do at 1440p low?

>>720091007
>bought a 5070ti
>always disable these stupid interpolation/upscaling AI features
I can't help but feel like I wasted money, but I didn't wanna build a new PC just to be outdated day 1 again

>>720091007
DLSS screenshot I took. where's blurryness where's ai?

>>720091487
Take a screenshot while spinning the camera, static and low motion scenes are where DLSS has time to accumulate scene data for epic high quality marketing shots

>>720085110
amd literally has no 5090 competitor

>>720091740
tech illeiterate.

>>720091854
Then prove me wrong

>>720091142
Smaller file sizes mean more games.

>>720065170 (OP)
the only thing about this is the ram. kinda fucks me but whatever

>>720092061
How many games do you need installed at once lmao

>>720065170 (OP)
It's a duopoly
Amd could easily shit out a 5090 card with 128 gbs of vram but they won't

>>720092175
While this is a non-issue, major devs actually do inflate the file size on games because it means kids on consoles will be able to fit fewer other games on the drive.

They basically wanna bully everything but their game off your console so you are never tempted to play something else

>>720092258
>Amd could easily shit out a 5090 card with 128 gbs of vram but they won't
Apparently there are people in China custom manufacturing 50XX cards with more Vram and shit, I can't help but wonder why NVidia doesn't just let third party resellers modify the cards this way to make them even beefier

>>720092294
>Console
Who care
I have like 2-3 games installed at once on my gaming PC
Horde faggots need killing.

>>720066393
Because buying AMD is buying a headache. Constantly something breaks or doesn't work. Be it the shit driver, a new game, an old game, an AI tool or whatever else you can think of. Wanna play EDF6? It took half a year before the AMD crashes were resolved. Did you buy into VRChat early? May I remind you that it took 2 years before video playback on AMD was fixed? That TERA private Server I was playing? Missing Textures on AMD. That cool AI program? CUDA only.

I don't fucking care how much you claim otherwise and that AMD is totally fine now. Kill yourself. I am experiencing this pattern of something breaking for AMD users constantly.

>>720092369
>I have like 2-3 games installed at once on my gaming PC
I have like 30 games installed, but something like 5 of them are competitive games I hop between, another 5 are single player games I'm playing, and the rest are multiplayer games I play with my buddies, because it would just be a pain in the ass to have to redownload all of these games every time someone says "YO WHEN ARE WE PLAYING GAMES, HOP IN A CALL I'M HOSTING X!"

>>720092472
I've had a 7900XTX since Aug 2023.
And Im still waiting for this headache.

>>720066393
>better drivers
>better control panel
>better game software
>better emulation support
>faster and easier to set up AI generation
>cooler CEO
Your money actually goes towards something if you give it to Nvidia. They're building robots and improving AI whereas AMD is just flopping. AMD cpus are good though, buy those.

Fellas, is it just me or is raytracing kind of a big meme?
I finally upgraded from a 970 to a 5070 not too long ago, and the jump in graphics really wasn't as impressive as I was expecting

>>720066393
>brand loyal to nvidia
it's not anyone's fault the other card maker just fucking FUMBLES every attempt to make something better, AMD doesn't even try to complete in the gpu space anymore. Their FSR is dogshit, high end is a joke, drives are still a meme and every game company pretty much is in the pockets of nvidia

>>720092737
It really is a meme.
The games where RT is stapled on are just Nvidia Tech demos that are supposed to run like shit on AMD to push you into Nvidia.
Whats really surprising is that games with RT built as a requirement e.g Metro Exodus Enhanced, Indiana Jones all run amazingly on AMD in RT mode.
Nvidia begged Indiana Jones devs to disable Path Tracing on AMD GPUs because they know it being a RT only game it would have actually ran well and would have shattered the narrative only nvidia is good at RT.

>>720065170 (OP)
Borderlands The Movie The Game 4 is going to be just as good as the Borderlands Movie.

>>720091298
Please respond

>>720066393
That 94% is from massive tech companies buying specially made gpus for data centers. Amd and nivida were pretty even this year gaming wise

>>720066393
I don't have brand loyalty, but I tend to buy used. Used markets are just swamped by nvidia cards.

>>720090248
unironically, even with the garbage hardware and anti porting measures the PS3 had, it was the peak vidya gen

>>720091298
badly. 7600 isn't enough for even 1080p.
Also 8gb on amd is like 6gb on nvidia, so have fun with that.

>>720092737
What games
Cyberpunk PT, Silent Hill 2, and Metro ee are overall the best examples in actual new releases.
Like all ue5 games are using rt by default

>>720091298
>>720093094
Depends on the game.
Just put 5800X3D and RX7600 in youtube and check some videos.
Seemingly it can handle Hitman at Ultra 60fps.

>>720093386
I get 100-160 in BL3 with everything else on ultra so I guess I'll be alright, thanks

Nivida bros dont look...

>>720093703
Why don't they show which portion of the FPS is actual frames and which portion of it is AI generated?

>>720093747
This is without framegen, either native or dlss quality/taau equivelent

>>720093703
Oh look an image provided without context as fucking usual.

>>720093937
HL2 RTX Remix, gamegpu.
Better than posting a hardware unboxed benchmark, they've admitted they literally downclock Nvidia cards in their benchmarks.

>>720094057
>RTX tech demo has bad FPS on AMD
Imagine thinking this means anything

>>720066393
>why are people so brand loyal to nvidia?
its not that people are brand loyal to nvidia, its that AMD and Intel cant produce enough cards at MSRP to compete. nvidia -$50 isnt good enough for AMD and intel cards have been non existent at msrp for a long time now.

>>720094104
RT off the chart is basically the same for this game btw

>>720093642
Works on my machine.

>>720094210
>More stapled on RT gimmicks.

Post real RT needed games like:
>>720092957
Oh but that doesnt fit the narrative I guess.

>>720093703
I wonder why he didn't post the game

>>720094285
I did post a real rt needed game twice. Sh2 uses lumen and hl2 is path traced
Also >>720094263
is closer to reality for both doom tda and indy

>>720094542
Doesnt matter if it uses Lumen.
It's still not a game thats built from the ground up with RT in mind like Metro Exodus and Indiana Jones.

>>720065170 (OP)
can't wait to buy a 24gb 4070 ti super

>>720094525
games rt sucks ass without rr btw. You have to put denoising on low with an amd card for it to even be playable.
>>720094660
nogger you're retarded

>>720066393
It's not remotely close for proompters

>>720094739
>nogger you're retarded
Oh nvm Im arguing with someone with negative IQ.
Carry on.

>>720066393
most nvidia gpu owners don't even know what "driver timeout" is

>>720094739
He’s talking about rt only games and you’re posting games with rt features slapped onto a raster pipeline. He’s right, you are retarded.

>>720066393
is amd good at workstation shit yet?

>>720066393
Every AMD I've had was fucked up or fucked shit up.
Also NVenc. I need it.

>>720070663
Bots on Amazon instantly buy in-demand Nvidia GPUs and MSRP Nvidia GPUs were never restocked at MSRP on Newegg (stock apps never sent one notification about Newegg restocks), so replace the 9070 XT with any Nvidia GPU and THAT part might not look dumb. I cancelled these manually, except for the one 6/20 one (.moe/e2lge1.jpg, compare with .moe/7ebyqo.jpg), because I had already gotten the Astock Steel Legend twice and was just playin'. I kept getting autobanned-word errors, so I'm hoping this one goes through. It was probably the proof.

>>720092665
>>720074484
https://archive.is/A3zdM
>Nvidia drivers are BETTER
>Not bothering to say what's wrong with AMD's drivers

Do I need to have a 4K monitor to really appreciate "modern" grafix or something?
I've got a decent rig but I'm still using a 1080p monitor. Its 180hz mind you, but still, I can't help but wonder if I would be more impressed with modern grafix if I had a better resolution? But I barely notice the benefits of the higher framerate or raytracing as it is, and I dunno if its worth spending the money to get a fancy new high res monitor only to find out that its really underwhelming as well

>>720066496
You can buy 64GB for around $200, retard

>>720065170 (OP)
Lmao

>>720082180
You only mentioned DLSS4 because it's the only thing that you get on older cards. Everything else has been arbitrarily locked behind new GPUs. Even intel lets you use their frame gen on other cards. FSR4 is currently usable under Linux on older cards. I'm going to conceded and say it's because having it officially available on their 7000 series will cannibalize their newer gen. I'm not a slurper.

>>720095849
Of course not, just stick to your current setup if you're happy with it. I'm speaking from experience with an Unreal Engine 5 game, Oblivion Remastered, as on 4k@60 with an RX 9070 XT for some reason, no upscaling setting got rid of stutters, but 1440p@144hz (VRR) with FSR AA was very playable with FPS hovering around 110 in most areas. 4k at FSR4 performance is upscaled 1080p (50%). There's a lot of merit to claims of bad optimization. In the end, if your wallet hurts, are you actually having fun?

>>720084291
>720p 60fps
Just get a used 1070

>>720081263
AI upscaling will always be dogshit. It's upscaling. Framegen is even worse. I hate that it's being used by all manufacturers at this point, it's embarrassing

>>720085925
CRT monitors towards the end of the 90's had way, way less scanlines than regular TV sets. This filter is far too aggressive
>t. old

>>720096949
I believe we're at the tail end of the era where gimmicks can move hardware/software alone.
Graphics plateaued like 10 years ago, and games have barely advanced in any meaningful way in something like 15 years.
I feel like they're all hoping that leaning into framegen and shit will make their game seem more appealing, the same way calling games a "next gen experience" on the Xbox 360 made them seem more appealing even though it effectively means nothing

>>720097140
BF6 looks great and doesn't even use raytracing at ALL. It's also a gimmick like physx, where at least physx added something interactive (at least in really early iterations).

>>720097259
>It's also a gimmick like physx
>mfw by brand new $2000 GPU doesn't support PhysX and my GTX 970 gets better performance in those games

>>720094113
Nvidia's business model in the desktop market is selling prebuilt companies inferior hardware, in large quantities, at deep discounts. Intel and AMD haven't been able to compete because they were stuck trying to fight fair.

With the 9000 series, AMD gave prebuilt companies everything they wanted. Less VRAM, lower specs, more impressive badges, fake resolution, fake frames, and a hypothetically lower price tag if they would buy them and AMD could start producing the single die in bulk.
The PC builders still wouldn't buy AMD because they're marked for the budget segment, increasingly relegated to onboard graphics only.

Valve Frame might be AMD's only hope for discrete GPU sales, and the leaks make it sound like it uses last-gen chiplets AMD couldn't sell.

>>720097104
that is because i put a shadowmask preset off libretro's guest reshade on top of dosbox staging CRT-Auto

>>720097469
it makes me wonder why hasn't the FTC hammered jewvidea yet, because this is a trick out of 3dfx and SGI's book before they went bankrupt manipulating the market

>>720097587
>it makes me wonder why hasn't the FTC hammered jewvidea yet,
its almost like politicians are all involved in insider trading and won't break up monopolies anymore because they're heavily invested in the monopoly continuing to grow.

>>720097587
>expecting any US regulatory agency to do literally anything ever besides write a strongly worded letter and maybe a 100k fine

LOL FUCKING LOL

>>720084274
That happens plenty often with Nvidia too, plus they released drivers before that cooked cards.

>>720097869
>excuse me but that horribly illegal thing you did to earn $12B last year was extremely bad and wrong and we will need to punish you for it
>How does $2M sound?

>>720094852
>most nvidia gpu owners don't even know what "driver timeout" is
Its when I turn my PC off for 10 minutes before rebooting it when the GPU acts up and starts dropping frames.

>>720098164
the fact that people literally cannot comprehend how much more a million is than a billion is why we're basically fucked, forever. That and people cannot understand exponential growth

>>720097259
>BF6 looks great
It doesn't
it looks far worse then Stalker 2, the game that came out 1 year ago.

TOTAL NVIDIA MONOPOLY

>>720098272
>the fact that people literally cannot comprehend how much more a million is than a billion is why we're basically fucked, forever.
Its wack because at that scale they don't seem that different, but its basically like Robbing a store for $10,000 and your punishment is having to pay $20 back to the store and say that you're sorry.

>>720098297
that looks fine and it's in the worst possible lighting you could've taken a screenshot in. I don't really understand your griping here

>>720097587
Are you joking? Big business have completely neutered any legitimate regulators. Nvidia's only concern now would be if they couldn't keep up the protection money, but they can for the moment. Nothing will happen to them now until the AI bubble bursts, or the closer ties with the US Government and Intel lead to an even more corrupt situation.

>ITT anons learn about the term "regulatory capture" for the first time

you don't even know how bad it is, or how bad it's going to get. Buy the GPU, quit whining

>>720066393
>be the only company that makes decent gpu's that work
>control most of the market
The last good AMD GPU was a 5700XT and it was good by an accident.

>>720082461
art style twice in the left column, intentional?

>>720066393
Nvidia has much deeper pockets, allowing them to pay publishers to make sure games are optimized for their hardware. AMD does this too, but they can't spend nearly as much as Nvidia can.
There's also entrenchment. As Nvidia cards became more common, developers were more likely to optimize for it. If you didn't get money from either company and really needed to optimize your game, wouldn't you pick the one that has 80% market share over the one that has 20%?

>>720099394
>Nvidia has much deeper pockets, allowing them to pay publishers to make sure games are optimized for their hardware.
You would think they pay to have games optimized for their hardware, but a lot of the time this just means "add a bunch of hidden shit to the game that other GPUs can't handle but ours can :)"

So its less like they pay to optimize for Nvidia hardware, and more like they pay to make games run like dogshit on other hardware.
Best example of this I can think of is when people realized that Watch Dogs had a shitload of random pointless geometry under the world because it was something Nvidia cards could render really efficiently while it would cause stuttering and performance issues on an AMD card.

Its basically just straight up sabotage to prevent any fair competition.

>>720100230
they did the tessellation trick in Crysis 2 as well. The geometry under the ocenan was full of it and never rendered but AMD gpus were dogshit at it on release

You guys are overthinking it, it's just production costs. Why would you spend time optimizing when you can just use upscalers the day after release?

And fyi, videogames it's just like 10% of all Nvidia revenue, they don't give a shit. Data centers is the name of the game.

>>720099394
You're so tech illiterate it hurts

>>720099394
>If you didn't get money from either company and really needed to optimize your game, wouldn't you pick the one that has 80% market share over the one that has 20%?
Just optimize it so it runs on both instead of intentionally gimping your game to make it run like shit on certain setups

>>720100230
>>720100330

>>720101629
Sometimes there isn't time to optimize for both before release. The optimization for AMD might happen weeks or even months after release--after everyone has already seen that it performs better on Nvidia hardware, reinforcing the notion that Nvidia's hardware is just faster.

>>720065170 (OP)
>NVIDIA's market share grows to 94%
In AI workloads

>>720098417
I can explain
>IT DOESNT HAVE THE LATEST JEWVIDIA EFFECTS TO RAPE MY GPU BUT MAKE THE IMAGE LOOK NICE SO IT'S FUCKING DOGSHIT

>>720101870
WTF are people even doing with AI that requires that they have a rig with 10 5090s?
Aren't we beyond the point where we're pretending that AI shit is basically tech magic?

>>720102389
>Aren't we beyond the point where we're pretending that AI shit is basically tech magic?
nah brah we just need $500 million more of taxpayer dollars and we will uhhhh replace more jobs....and thats good for you cause uhhhhhh......

AMD? The AEW of GPUs.

>>720102473
As much as I hate the AI meme, I'm glad to see that we've matured from AI replacing artists to AI replacing the entire HR department

>>720066393
>brand loyalty
It isn't. Nvidia is just objectively the better product whether for gaming or work.
Nvidias software is also superior in every way.

>>720102389
>Aren't we beyond the point where we're pretending that AI shit is basically tech magic?
The market can stay delusional for longer than you can stay solvent. Remember that these are the same people that were pitching "the metaverse" as the next big thing to change the world.

>>720102695
I just don't get it, why do these people need $90,000 worth of GPUs to run a walmart chatbot?
Like what the fuck are they doing with AI that requires so much computing power?

AMD has to deal with tsmc yields, nvidia has the largest pre-built market which is why nearly every gpu on steam charts is some fucking god awful turd like a 60 series card. The fact fags on here have 3060s or some pos and talk about how "superior" njudea is is hilarious too.

>>720102721
"replacing" entry level employees. I know some boomer business owners who are fully bought into "AI Agents". They're morons

>>720102721
Because if they throw enough GPUs at the problem they'll eventually somehow create the robot god to usher in a new age of techno-feudalism (this is what some of them actually believe)

>>720073612
>it's the game you can already play
>except you need a $1500 GPU to run it now
What kind of absolute moron would give a fuck

>>720102571
>gaming
Not really at all
>work
Yeah
>software
Fuck no, their drivers are fucking atrocious now and are coded with AI, I suggest you youtube or Google how every new driver they release worsens performance of their gpus, it's fucking hilarious.

>>720102842
>fire all of your employees to replace them with AI
>have to hire a dozen "AI prompt engineers" that end up costing you as much as having actual employees did

>>720102894
There's an entire generation of children that have only ever played live service slop and only ever get to experience good games from 20 years ago when they get a remake because none of them know how to pirate or emulate shit.

>>720101690
now do how they say communism works and how it actually works

>>720102942
it's more like
>contract out your customer facing roles to an AI Agent vendor
>they guarantee support
>to do this they just send chatbot responses which didn't get resolved to India, the philippines, or columbia

they don't care it's still cheaper and since everyone does it, you can't do anything about it. Same shit happens with software vendors

>>720102942
IT'S PROSPECT OKAY???

>>720102940
Yeah saw the latest driver cut performance of the 5090, 5080 and 5070 ti by like 2-3% across the board and sometimes more rofl, probably some more jewry to make their supers look better than they are since their generational gains have been so shit

I didn't read the thread, but discrete GPUs are way overpriced and not worth it anymore, so when my 4070 Super dies, I'm just going to get the best igpu that's available at the time. I don't play nu-slop games especially now that Monster Hunter is dead, so as long as I can run Sekiro at 60 FPS then I'm happy. Thanks for asking and reading.

>>720103030
I don't actually trust anything I've heard about North Korea or China anymore.
We've been exposed to way too much propaganda about capitalism vs communism, it all really boils down to "NOOOO COMMUNISM IS ACTUALLY AN OLIGARCHY THO!" "NOOOOOOOO BUT CAPITALISM IS ACTUALLY A PLUTOCRACY THOUGH???" Without either side realizing that the issue with both systems is that they're both essentially just a way for the global banking elite to completely control the government of your country.

Forget arguing about capitalism vs communism, the argument should be about how to stop the same people from ruining both systems of government, rather than arguing about which one gets ruined by them harder than the other. Who fucking cares which of the two is the least bad when they're both just enabling your enslavement?

>>720084274
Don't bother trying to explain this.

The retards do not want to understand this. It's the same thing with Linux; they are unable to grasp the idea that a normal person doesn't enjoy spending 4 hours a week tinkering with their workstation for basic functionality.

>>720103328
>why don't we just stop corruption from happening
damn that's a good idea, i bet that's the first time that anyone in history has ever thought of that

>>720103347
I've never had to fuck around with anything since fucking 2011. Installing drivers is not hard and is basic computer literacy. Dullard

>>720103069
>it's still cheaper
its incredible to me that the investor/shareholder system is so fundamentally toxic to actual businesses that every major company inevitably needs to slowly kill itself through ritual enshittification to appease the shareholders.

Imagine what kind of world we could live in by now if shareholders/investors weren't a thing and it was okay for a company to just keep doing the same thing without having to force the line to go up because they were already making millions if not billions in profit every year and thats totally fine?

I don't understand why we've just slowly become okay with this ridiculous system that funnels everything toward inevitable failure and acquisition by a larger wealthier company that hasn't hit the "you need to kill yourself NOW" stage of line goes up.

>>720103347
Because it's a blatant fucking lie and simply isnt true, in fact what you're describing is literally what you have to do with nvidias Ai slop coded drivers now but youre just a shill faggot who ignores the thousands upon thousands of videos, personal anecdotes and articles showcasing how ass nvidias drivers are

>>720103493
yeah it's called private ownership. Very few companies manage to make it work since you need a capital influx to compete with publicly held businesses.

>>720103416
My point is mostly that the argument against either system is effectively the exact same thing, and there's ultimately no point in arguing between them until we can find a solution to the corruption issue.
At the end of the day, both systems are trash because they allow shitty people to scam the system and ruin it for literally everyone.
Its crazy to me that people will literally defend capitalism/communism with their lives when they're both objectively shit for exactly the same reasons.

Regardless of which one you live with, the same group of people will be pulling all the strings and consolidating all of the wealth for themselves.

>>720103574
>yeah it's called private ownership. Very few companies manage to make it work since you need a capital influx to compete with publicly held businesses.
But whats the point of joining the "public business" rat race if you're essentially signing a contract that says "within the next decade or two we will force you to destroy this company and any good will you have built up with your customer base, and we will take you to court if you don't do what we want, is this okay with you?"
Like sure you're getting some investment now, but at the cost of the business you built up being destined to fail for literally no fucking reason now matter how well you run it.

>>720103594
there is no system that makes corruption impossible.

>>720078786
>at what stage of the process does DLSS produce an ALIASED image?
It can't produce an aliased image. It uses the same underlying technology as DLAA. You can't "turn off DLAA" when using DLSS, it is always on.
>you wanna "bake" one neural net into another?
No? Are you an ESL or something? Both DLSS and DLAA use the same neural network. Nobody is talking about two differently trained neural networks. You're now imagining things.
>>DLAA uses the same Super Resolution technology developed for DLSS
Note how "Super Resolution technology" is not the same as "DLSS", but the latter uses the former.
Nvidia themselves told you and even after quoting them, you've misunderstood them.
>nvidia themselves explain DLAA as literally DLSS at native res
That is not what they said. Read very carefully.
>you want to flip the labels and call the central algorithm of DLSS "DLAA"?
No. The effect of DLAA is just an inner mechanism of DLSS because the neural network at the actual core forces anti-aliasing... which is what "DLAA" literally means: Deep Learning Anti-Aliasing.

>>720102940
>>work
>Yeah
how so?

>muh drivers
How did this lie manage to persist this long, got a 9070 xt and haven't had 1 issue at all, it just worked. I had more problems with my 3080 drivers including one that somehow bricked my fans.

>>720103826
Nvidia is just better for video encoding and general productivity, it isnt as drastic as people claim though

>>720103695
It doesn't need to be impossible, it just needs to be much less possible than it currently is.

>>720066393
Nvidia dominates in AI shit, and i believe even VR is better with Nvidia ? but dont quote me on that last one.
And DLSS is/ or at least has been better with Nvidia than FSR.

>>720103671
publicly held businesses have a buffer against things like rising labor costs, materials, etc, so if things go to shit they don't IMMEDIATELY die if things go south. Privately held means you are shouldering it entirely on your own. If shit goes tits up you are FUCKED. It's way way harder to make it work because on the other end of the market is someone who due to public capital, loans, etc, is able to acquire what you need for less because of bulk discounts, longstanding contracts, etc.

Sure they might get enshittified but they last longer on average and that's what matters to the market. They'll ditch after some point but the institutional investors who have the inside scoop will be out before the general public so they don't give a fuck. Look into how most P.E. firms work and you'll understand.

>>720103030
the special secret is that none of it matters as long as they uphold everybody's well-being

>>720103030
You can make this exact same meme but change "communist" for "capitalist" and "North Korea" for "South Sudan".
The "not real -ism" cope will remain the same too.

>>720103890
Barely any consumer owns an nvidia gpu capable of AI, its 90% pre-built pcs for gaming with utter e-waste garbage like 3060s and 4060s, the subhuman cattle gpus of choice

>>720103534
funny how people knew they were buying shit to save a few $ but then defend it like it was all about performance

>>720103828
When I was building my new PC recently, I got so fucking scared that almost everything I bought was going to be some kinda dud or was going to end up frying itself within a week.
I kept looking into everything I was buying and no matter what I would find a shitload of controversial posts about it saying there's a big risk of hardware defects or parts frying other parts.

I probably hesitated for 2-3 months just spending that time being anxious as fuck and sitting on like $3000 I had set aside, because every time I felt like I was ready to commit to a build I would read some new thing about how everyone is having X part explode or Y part is destroying Z part so you need to buy Y part from only this specific brand etc.

Eventually I just bit the bullet and tried to order everything at the same time to make sure I would be within the 30 day warranty if anything was fucked. Turns out everything works just fine and I've had literally zero issues with anything I purchased.

I can't help but feel like with the way online discussions work, claims of hardware/software issues are grossly exaggerated when it comes to this kinda shit.
Doing research before building had me convinced that I was paying $3000 to burn my house down, but in reality the failure rate is so fucking low that you basically won the social media lottery by getting something defective that you can make a sassy post online about.

>>720103320
Smart frogposter.

>>720103906
I get the general gist of it, I just don't like it and I think it encourages bad business practices and kills good ones.

>>720104087
dodge v. ford happened so here we are. I feel your pain, anon. It's best just not to worry about it too much.

>>720103975
Communism can be implemented inside Capitalism but not the other way around. Mental gymnastic yourself out of that one.

>>720103328
You're right not to trust them. China is lying out of their ass about everything, there's no independent verification about anything. Everything passes through CCP, including every account on twitter/youtube/facebook etc that claims to be posting from inside China and isn't hiding his identity.

>>720082460
>RTX 10xx
Holy fucking retard
There are zero (0) RTX 1000 series because RTX wasn't the branding until the 2000 series

>>720103320
>but discrete GPUs are way overpriced and not worth it anymore
This PC I built a few months ago is probably gonna be the last full build I ever do.
I imagine by the time the hardware is outdated in 10 years, I either won't really care about keeping it up to date anymore anyway cause I'll be an old fuck, or I'll be able to make a much smaller, more powerful PC for less.

Either way its not like there are any decent games coming out that justify having top of the line hardware anymore anyway. I feel like I only built this one because I wanted a top of the line PC so badly 20 years ago, and the first one I made 10 years ago was mid-range at best even when I built it, so I wanted to finally have a computer where I didn't feel like I had to say "aw, that doesn't work on my machine" for all the cool new shit in games.
Turns out games don't really have any cool new shit anymore, and the fancier the grafix get the more generic and dull the actual game is to play.

Starting to honestly feel like I wasted my money putting this machine together when I could have just saved that money up for a car or a trip to Japan or some shit.

>>720104207
>You're right not to trust them. China is lying out of their ass about everything, there's no independent verification about anything. Everything passes through CCP, including every account on twitter/youtube/facebook etc that claims to be posting from inside China and isn't hiding his identity.
It goes both ways desu, I don't trust communist or capitalist countries to be able to speak honestly about this shit.

I'm from Canada myself, but the shit I grew up hearing about communist countries made them sound like giant concentration camps ran by cartoon villains on par with the way Hitler is portrayed in history books.

All I really knew about China growing up was that everyone was poor and starving and that it was a complete shithole that people are desperate to escape from. Meanwhile they probably think the same thing about America after seeing all the videos of homeless encampments with 20 year olds nodding off in the street after doing a shitload of fent.

>>720104272
The good thing about computers is you don't have to upgrade everything at once, I just do incremental upgrades like I upgrade my gpu once every 5 years then my cpu once every 7 or 8. My pause is like over a decade old because I just bought a 1000w 80+ gold for "future proofing"

This entire thread reads like a big amount of faggots are desperately trying to justify their massively overpriced electronic junk that they have to replace at an arbitrary interval. Inb muh poorfag. We both know you are reading this post on a terrible TN panel and typing on a lgbt light keyboard.

>>720104456
>The good thing about computers is you don't have to upgrade everything at once
My previous computer was at the point where I basically did.
Or at least, it didn't really seem worth harvesting the few parts I actually could keep using.

The motherboard was old as shit and just didn't have the sockets I needed for modern hardware, realistically the only parts I could have kept using were the PSU and the SSDs
But at that point it just feels a little silly to destroy a fully functional computer that I could keep around as a backup or plex server or whatever just to save myself $200 on a PSU and SSD

>>720102797
I ask them to post GPU it's always some sort of 4090/5090
But then when you ask them to take a pic with thread number and not a screenshot they go quiet lmao

>>720104397
Communist countries are one giant concentration camp. When Beatles were popular in the west people were trading and eating their neighbors' children in China due to starvation. The only success China has came from abandoning Communism and implementing Capitalism, and restricting truth. Mao hated money and they put his ugly face on the money they were not supposed to have.

You can trust capitalist countries if there is some reasonable level of the freedom of the press, if you can travel there and freely stream to the world or if groups can go over there to verify claims.

>>720066393
Because AMD takes a ridiculous amount of time to catch up to basic things Nvidia has been doing for years and there's usually some caveat to either the drivers or implementation in the process. Unless you are running a Linux machine it's generally just a worse option, and now that Nvidia is making open source drivers even that's going out the window for AMD. Sure, AMD is more budget conscious but there's always a downside for being budget conscious.

>>720104796
Yeah already caught a few jeets with reverse image search myself

>>720066393
>>720105042
Oh yeah, and Shadowplay is a very simple all-in-one solution for instant screenshots, replays, and video recordings that works out of the box on any machine that actually uses an Nvidia GPU. OBS is fine for video even if you have to jump through a couple more hoops but for screenshots it's not even remotely as convenient as Shadowplay is. I genuinely can't go back to AMD because Shadowplay is so integral to my PC gaming experience and the alternatives are all more of a hassle.

>>720104207
>Communism can be implemented inside Capitalism
No it can't. Saying retarded things doesn't make them true.

>>720065170 (OP)
this is why we need socialism

>>720105521
You and your friends can decide to buy a farm in the middle of nowhere in USA and then live like actual Communism is supposed to work.
Try to implement a Capitalist farm in a true Communism country and you'll get a bullet through your skull.
Additionally, Communism does not scale. Capitalism does.

>>720066496
Modern consoles have 16gb of shared RAM, while PC still needs to keep shit on RAM that gets swapped into VRAM as needed, so it needs more than the usual.

>>720105521
>>720105727
Isn't Communism within Capitalism just socialism?

>>720106368
Hehe, no.

>>720105181
Shadowplay is a resource hog I'll just use Xbox Gamebar screenshotter if I need and OBS if recording.

>>720105181
>are all more of a hassle.
Xbox game bar is built into the OS and has screenshots and recording.

>>720106552
>>720106594
Game Bar is terrible as it has delays in the screenshots being processed, does not separate stuff into folders (At least from when I used it), and when I used it for Cuphead it constantly pulled focus from the game to do so for a split second which caused a bunch of issue during gameplay.