Thread 720067452

>Pokemon was originally supposed to end with Ash as an old dying man and the entire pokemon world having been his embellished childhood memories
Do you think they could have possibly continued the game series if the original concept had been allowed to go ahead? It feels like Nintendo must have stepped in at the last minute to prevent it and save the brand.

What do you think the franchise would be like now if that had happened as intended?

>>720067452 (OP)
it would have been cool if it ended at the peak of the series, gen 2.

but nintendo, being the greedy whores they are, knew it would be their cash cow they had to milk

there are MANY series (games, shows, etc) that would have had a significantly larger cult following and legacy if they ended way earlier

The reason the original anime director left is because execs insisted that Ash can never grow old because they were afraid any change from status qou could hurt profits

>>720067452 (OP)
>Pokemon is just one dude's paracosm of Japanese wildlife

how horrifying..

>>720067452 (OP)
He's cursed to be 10 forever so I find that hard to believe.

I do think it's funny, how a game that was supposed to be about growing up is now played prominently by people who have never mentally grown up.

>>720067452 (OP)
ash is way too cute

Wasn't it supposed to end with a Pokémon uprising against the humans led by Pikachu?

I think it's a huge missed opportunity for there to be a new protag in each generation of the anime, and they all still start with Pikachu but it's a different method of acquiring and a different temperament Pikachu each time. Like an asshole one, a funny one, etc.
Not that people need an excuse to own a dozen Pikachu plushies or something but it would have made Pikachu himself even more marketable.

>>720067790
o_O

No, he abandons his quest as childish after Pikachu leads a revolt against humanity.

>>720067452 (OP)
sounds gay, off and corny

The games preceded the anime. The fact that the anime got so popular many now consider it the mainline content with the games being supplemental is the worst thing ever.

>>720067727
>I do think it's funny, how a game that was supposed to be about growing up is now..
i thought you were gonna say something insightful about how ash/his crew haven't aged a fucking day since the show aired 30 years ago or however long it's been

No fuck that, shudo had some sort of misery fetish since he ended another anime he worked on with the protag girl getting hit by a truck

>>720068043
Hot

>>720067652
I thought he left because he was dying from abusing drugs and alcohol

The "Ash dreamed it all" ending and the "Pokemon/human war" ending were both ideas he had, but probably not at the same time.

He got fed up with Nintendo insisting the show stay kid friendly and repetitive and left.

Do you know what your mother thinks while you're playing outside or you're playing video games?
This is true. A lot of them are thinking “dammit”. And it's not because you're spending your time playing instead of studying. It's because they want to play too, but can't.
When you spend your allowance on a video game they're thinking “lucky brat”. Because with the money you spend they can no longer buy new shoes or clothes for themselves.
While they're making your dinner they're thinking “I don't wanna do this”. They would honestly rather go out to a restaurant and have some fancy master chef make them a feast. And at a restaurant, there's no need to clean up the table afterwards.
Every day your mother thinks “dammit”, “lucky brat” and “I don't wanna do this”, while doing the jobs a mother has to do.
The jobs a mother has to do include raising you, making sure you attend school, it's hard work.
It may be interesting to observe your mother with her viewpoint in mind.

>>720068547
Don't forget the truth nuke that destroys pokegirl threads forever.

>>720067452 (OP)
wasn't pokemon super ultra fucked up originally? stuff like newly evolved raichu giving themselves heart attacks, gym leaders bribing challengers to lose in order to keep their jobs?
also, weren't we supposed to have a movie where animal fossils were uncovered and it was revealed that pokemon are actually invasive species that arrived on earth and extinguished all animal life?

>>720069020
Yes, the author also had a contract with nintendo saying he could publish the ending he had written once the anime ended.

They waited until a few years after he died to end the anime

>>720069020
>stuff like newly evolved raichu giving themselves heart attacks
there's a lot of leftover ghosts from this in various pokedex entries from gens 1-4 before it turned into a full-on endless toddler appeasement franchise
>it always has been
hell no, pokemon had this neat air of subtle grit to it in the earlier iterations before all the old heads in it left because of reasons like these >>720067652

>>720069020
Yes. The third movie had a rampaging t-rex skeleton as its threat, with people asking "the fuck is that thing"?

>>720067790
yes, dude was a schizo with lots of bad ideas for pokemon. He was also supposed to give up after losing to Richie.

>>720069219
>spoiler
fuckkkkkkk. I hope that ending sees the light of the day like the teraleak stuff
tpc deserves no respect for how it's treated the franchise from the 3ds era onward

>>720069020
It wasn't really fucked up but the original director of the anime was kind of a crazy person

>>720067452 (OP)
that sounds incredibly gay

>>720069425
I realized I just misremembered the part about the contract.
But his last (or near last) blog post before he died said the third book was planned to come out when the anime ended, then he had a stroke.

I don't know if the anime ending after that was deliberate and I didn't want to misrepresent it.

>>720067790
No, he basically said “it was something I humored for half a second and laughed because it’d be retarded”

>>720069020
>gym leaders bribing challengers to lose in order to keep their jobs
he wanted a retarded rule of them shutting down after three total loses which is described in the book but I've never heard the bribing part

the pokemon anime was supposed to end with the mewtwo movie, not the entire franchise. I'm amazed that people still don't understand that the anime and the game series are more or less entirely separate. I wish the anime would have followed different characters in each generation. Would have made pikachu losing to a level 5 snivy not retarded.

>>720069482
writer, bud

>>720069579
whats the canon reason pikachu isnt level 100 and absolutey rape every new region he encounters?

>>720069683
it's a different excuse each season
>something something magnetic poles shifting
>something something legendary pokemon snaps its fingers
>something something magnets
still doesn't explain why ash has to become retarded too

Other endings they considered was the Pokemon turning on their masters and going to war, and Misty having kids with Ash.

>>720069567
in the manga a lot of the gym leaders were actually involved with team rocket. in the unova anime, all of the gym leaders get crucified.

There was actually a trailer, now long pulled, for an early pokemon movie with Ash's daughter
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x3tbd5o

>>720069482
His fave writing method was to take huge amounts of booze and tranqs and just write what comes to mind, so...

>>720069683
I don't know about all of them, but in unova, a zekrom flies by when they get there and shorts out all of the electricity in the area, which I guess included pikachu's electric powers. It was just a way for them to give the new rival a reason to look down on ash.

>>720069915
>they got crucified
that's hilarious

>>720069826
manga ash was my fave

>>720067452 (OP)
who believe that garbage lmao

>>720070140
I like the ones with the psychotic clefairy

>>720068758
what a dull as person, you're writing a show for children and in your headcanon you have to make it clear "they pay taxes"

>>720068547
Should've used a rubber

>>720070140
the author also made hentai

>>720069915
Jesus christ

>>720068547
Most modern mothers chose to get pregnant, unless they fucked a black dude. My mother signed up for everything she became obligated to do for me when she made that decision. I'll give her a pass on my younger sister because she was an accident, but she's also the only one of us three who will ever give my mother grandchildren.

>>720070835
quite literally

>>720067452 (OP)
should have shown some balls and continued in that direction.

>>720070140
And manga Misty was a babe

>>720070719
man, early pokemon was so based. what the fuck happened?

>>720071831
Fear of change and ruining the golden goose.

>>720071652
>>720071732
Where's the uncensored version?

>>720067790
That was robot jones.

>>720072023
That is uncensored

>>720071831
It became a massive multi-media franchise that appeals to small children. Aside from wanting to stay on the track that got them rich, the franchise is constantly under a microscope from media watch dogs. They have to make everything as sanitary as possible to keep their good standing. This is why pokeballs are canonically mini-hotels, the PC box is a portal to a vacation resort, the battles are just harmless play fighting, and that the pokemon *want* to be caught and are testing the strength of the trainer by trying to escape. They put in a lot of work making sure nobody can misunderstand pokemon training as something abusive or dangerous.

>>720070719
>tfw Raichu will never belly squish you

>>720067917
I was born in 1993 and FR/LG was the first game I learnt about and it wasn't until another year or two that I realized the franchise actually began as a video game.

>>720071831
It became the most successful media franchise ever, EVER. Fucking titans like Mickey Mouse and Star Wars and Pokemon beat them all. You don't mess with that level of success, even if it means you stop innovating. They were right to ride it out and just keep rehashing the same old thing.

>>720070015
With misty?

>>720072640
Legends is innovative. Also don't act like they didn't try tons of weird jank like colosseum, conquest, mystery dungeon, ranger, dash, rumble, snap, hey you pickachu, detective pikachu that all flopped.

>>720070015
The kid always looked like a young Whitney to me.

>>720072670
Maybe. Its up to you (Japan never pushed them as a couple nearly as hard as America did).

>>720071831
As others said, not wanting to fuck with the golden goose. Flip side, there's nothing stopping a Pokemon game from matching the mood of your webm. Well maybe Gamefreak. I'm confident another studio can easily make something kino

>>720068758
How do trainers make money? Yeah you get some from fighting others, but that can't carry you and help you care for 6 pokemon, so where does the rest come from?

>>720070015
>ash's daughter
Source? Because that trailer doesn't even imply that.

>>720073238
not everyone in the pokemon world is a trainer, a lot are wagies. there's no reason to assume that every NPC you don't battle is also a trainer even if they have pokemon. silph co makes pokeballs, and pokemarts sell them.

>>720067452 (OP)
>bro it was all a dream!!!
only hack frauds write stories like this.

>>720073417
the only reason retards believe that is because she appears to be misty's daughter, and pikachu also appears in the trailer. that's the extent of it. the west pushed the idea that ash and misty were romantically interested in each other, but the japanese version doesn't.

Gen 1 is the only "real" pokemon. If you weren't alive to experience it, sorry you missed out.

>>720072592
what are you, a fucking woman or third-worlder? How the fuck did you miss poke-mania?

>>720073550
You know, sometimes I wonder if life would have been easier if I had been born a woman. Does pretending to be a woman in real life like you do at least somewhat make up for that?

>>720067452 (OP)
>>Pokemon was originally supposed to end with Ash as an old dying man and the entire pokemon world having been his embellished childhood memories
Retarded fan theory

>>720067452 (OP)
Nintendo is the antithesis of soul.

>>720073931
>coping and seething

>>720073550
>>720073636
Gen 1 and 2 were so kino, I pity the 20 year old pajeets seething in these threads because they didn't get to experience the games as kids.

>>720067452 (OP)
>Pokemon was originally supposed to end with Ash as an old dying man and the entire pokemon world having been his embellished childhood memories
pokemon is a video game where ash does not exist. why the fuck would anyone believe that pokemon AS A FRANCHISE was supposed to be the childhood memories of the anime protagonist

>>720070015
dipshit, this is not a trailer for a canceled project about some fanfiction daughter of Ash and Misty; it's a concept/teaser trailer for the first movie itself. They went in a different direction and cut out the retarded flash-forward framing device.

>>720071831
Takeshi Shudo drank himself to death because even though the Pokemon company allowed him to create his own original Pokemon, Lugia, they forcibly changed Lugia's sex to male, even though he intended Lugia to be female in order to fit the Mother Ocean theme he was aiming for.

No joke. Takeshi Shudo turned suicidal because the Pokemon Company turned his waifu, Lugia, into a male Pokemon without his consent.

>>720074275
yellow was literally made to piggyback off the anime

>>720074025
is it just me, or does literally every single retarded fan theory from other shows and series originate from that stupid pokemon one with the spearow

>>720072869
>innovative
>z-a literally rips off digimon world re: digitize decode's combat with 1 or 2 additions on bolted on top
are you for fucking real?

>>720073775
I didn't miss "pokemania," we were all obsessed with the anime and all the merch, especially the trading cards but the mainline games just somehow didn't have any presence where I lived.
The only Pokemon game I played before FR/LG was Pokemon Stadium.

>>720074397
sounds like fanfic. legendaries are genderless

>>720074397
japanese people are fucking weird. i have no idea why white niggas wish they were japanese.

>>720074571
so you were thirdies or you lived in the boonies and couldn't afford a gameboy

>>720074397
>Takeshi Shudo turned suicidal because the Pokemon Company turned his waifu, Lugia, into a male Pokemon without his consent.
Why? Why not let him have this? Hell the damn show had a mother and child Lugia in a mini arc, so why not make the original female too?

>>720074595
Only for game balance reasons. In the anime there was an official female Lugia that had a baby Lugia.

>>720074397
>he intended Lugia to be female in order to fit the Mother Ocean theme he was aiming for
he did get his wish granted in the end though?

>>720069264
Yeah the original plot of the 3rd movie was Ash and co saving the day from a fucking T rex lol.

>>720074595
in game mechanics they are, but even in sword and shield it's said that zacian and zamazenta are brother and sister despite being genderless. The genderless thing was probably only added to establish the fact that legendaries can't breed. Even though some legendary pokemon do have genders, they can't breed anyway. Hell, Heatran and Terapagos can technically be either gender although the terapagos you catch is always guaranteed to be male, the game code says it can be either

>>720074397
>Takeshi Shudo drank himself to death
>died two decades after the said incident
>worked on the show and another movie directly after said original incident
but big company "le bad"

>>720074721
Did it even matter in the end? I don't remember them referring to lugia as a male in the movie.

>>720070976
>Most modern mothers chose to get pregnant, unless they fucked a black dude
>my sister was an accident

Yep. Very telling anon.

>>720074571
>missed out on the core aspect of the trend
>"N-n-no I didn't"

>>720074696
Neither, I'm Western European and I had all the home consoles but handhelds weren't popular and video games in general were still viewed as a loser pastime.

>>720074493
>the FOURTH version of the game made to promote the anime proves the franchise was supposed to be a dream
ash is still not in yellow

>>720067727
>a game that was supposed to be about growing up
if we take it at face value, the game is about kicking the ass of the mafia, who is trying to conquer the world using some kind of legendary pokemon and being the best pokemon trainer.

not much coming-of-age in there

>>720067727
>game that was supposed to be about growing up

>>720074547
nigger, why would you cite a port of a reboot as "the original" idea?

Shudo is an underrated writer

>>720075161
>who is trying to conquer the world using some kind of legendary pokemon
Even this isn't in generation 1, or 2 for that matter. Mewtwo's connection to team rocket was established in the anime, and I don't think it was ever even connected in the games until giovanni used a mewtwo in team rainbow rocket in USUM

>>720067917
This and the general stagnation of the series are the reasons I quit playing Pokemon. I loved the darker atmosphere of the world presented in the gen 1 games as a kid when Pokemon were actual monsters.

>>720075349
>Mewtwo's connection to team rocket was established in the anime
wrong. it was established in the manga

>>720075258
>port
decode is an enhanced port with an entirely new questline and almost an entire game's worth of new content
>reboot
do you just toss random words around in a desperate attempt to sound intelligent?

>>720075538
so in other words, not in the games.

>>720074397
Good. It's a fictional creature faggot. If that's enough to make you turn into an suicidal alcoholic then you were never made for this shit to begin with. Dumb retard thought execs couldn't change his "vision" on a whim.

>>720075447
>example being concept art that never made final release cause he's full of shit
pokemon was never "griftty" or mature

>>720075258
>>720075589
>i-it's a port!
What a weird thing to nitpick. The combat is unchanged from Re: Digitize (the original), so the point stands.

>>720075161
the game was always about selling you shit. "gotta catch 'em all" means buy all the fucking games (sold in halves and sometimes even thirds) and trade between them to fill out your pokedex. oh wait you still need the legendaries. oh all your friends decided to get gold nobody got silver? fuck you. nobody in your friends group has a link cable? fuck you. don't live in japan to get event exclusive mons? fuck you

>>720075743
And it worked pretty well considering how split titles sell way more than standalone ones (compare SV and LGPE to PLA)

>>720075743
>had silver version
>had a link cable
>had GameShark

I was a god to those playground fags as a kid.

>>720075604
in other words, NOT IN THE ANIME. the manga is based on the games

>>720068547
You type Indian

>>720075665
Forgot pic.

>>720074698
Because he was trying to force the entire plot of the movie instead of it being what the higher ups wanted with the plot and Lugia still serving its role but just female.

>>720075656
>pokemon was never "griftty" or mature
Sorry that you never experienced Pokemania kiddo.

>>720075893
>the manga is based on the games
how can that be, when there are things in the manga that aren't in the games? several gym leaders in the manga were part of team rocket. this has never been established in any game aside from giovanni obviously.

>>720076028
Lol one of the early eps literally had a trainer with a whip who had a sandshrew.

>>720076028
>android 17 wielding a whip to lash at innocent critters
now that's some sweet irony

>>720075589
>full retard
Digimon World Re-Digitize is a reboot of the game systems found within the original Digimon World, a role-playing video game developed by BEC and published by Bandai for the PlayStation, which had been abandoned at the time and wouldn't return until Next Order years later. I didn't stutter, you don't cite a copy of a copy as "le inovator"

>>720075834
>Level 255 cheats
>Nothing could scratch them

>>720075656
inb4 charmeleon vs arbok

>>720067593
>nintendo
nintendo has like, no say over pokemon. their entire power over the franchise is keeping it nintendo exclusive, every other decision is TPC or Game Freak.

>>720076237
I loved that cinnabar island glitch so goddamn much. Damn near lost my mind when I found out you could catch lv 250 charmeleon's n shit.

>>720067452 (OP)
it wasn't SUPPOSED to end like that, it was one of the writers on staff who was interested in pursuing that idea (which he would never be allowed to do!!)

what the FUCK would be the point of the show ending with "oh, that didn't happen btw. i'm old too.", narratively what is being conveyed besides going "gotcha!!"?

>>720076106
Yeah, early concepts for the game even had the player use a whip and upgrade it through gym battles instead of collecting badges. It's kinda wild looking back that whips even survived to the final product.

Gen 1 had a ton of dark stuff like "The Fly" parody, people with psi powers, villains based on the Yakuza, genetic experimentation, Lavender Town, etc.

>>720067452 (OP)
The games are very unrelated to the anime so I doubt much would change regarding them if anything.

>>720076028
so edgy, static pictures of NPCs holding weapons that are never used and edited out of localization.

>>720070015
it's just a trailer for the first movie. if you watch the first trailer for many of the early pokemon movies you'll see concepts that didn't make it in. movie 3's first trailer teases an appearance from mewtwo, who is not in the movie.

>>720076219
>doubles down on his retardation
z-a brazenly rips off re: digitize (and decode)
you're a retard for claiming z-a is original and innovative in any way
>reboot
it's not a reboot. if you had 2 braincells to rub together you'd know digimon games do their own thing instead of picking back up where the last one left off

>>720076441
I really wonder why they turned into massive pussies as the years went on. I can understand the bitch made generation of now, but kids in the 90s were made from much harder stuff. I guess they were really afraid of the satanic panic in the 90's.

>>720075743
i lost interest in retail pokemon games after i nearly finished my dex (barring mythicals) in gen3 and found out there was no way to get ho-oh or lugia without a gamecube and coliseum.
i even made a living hoenn dex so i could easily get the johto starter after restarting emerald three times over. trading all those mons over and back three times over was a fucking chore.
over two decades later (just this summer in fact) i used a recently discovered ACE to give myself a mysticticket in firered and got them both and finally finished my dex. fuck you and your giveaway events nintendo

>>720076323
If I'm not mistaken, Nintendo isn't credited anywhere at all in Pokemo Go.

>>720076498
>edited out of localization
Lol, whatever you say kiddo.

>>720076671
Yeah what is that retard on about? The tamer class of trainers were alive and well in Gen 1.

>>720076029
we dont have the same beta information they had when making the manga. this was THE first instance of mewtwo being made by team rocket so we can happily assume that was GOING to be hinted at or revealed in some form before being cut. then with the anime movie cementing the idea, there was no need to include it in the games (cause of different regions with different lore and pokemon) until the gen 1 fan service era

>>720076647
GameShark idiot. Would of gave you access to Lugia, Deoxys, etc easy.

>>720075743
the fun part is that glitches were eventually found in all of those games that let you get pokemon that were normally unobtainable. It's not even an issue anymore since you can trade online.

>>720076821
never saw one for sale in this backwater corner of the world

>>720076623
i blame their general incompetence. gamefreak cant make a game to save their lives and they just cut tons of shit until they ended up with something that didnt resemble their original vision. then the anime permanently fagged up the franchise

>>720076883
>be brown
>complain about not having access to video games
I'd be more concerned about having to shit on the street and ride on top of trains to get to work.

>>720076883
You had to go to actual game shops back then like early gamestop or EB games. You weren't gonna find a GameShark at target or Walmart back in those days.

>>720076728
I assume that anon only played the gen III remakes, since whips were removed in the FR/LG.

>>720076671
>>720076728
You really don't know how to spot bait.

>>720077059
Were they around in gen 2? I don't remember seeing the tamer class other than Gen 1 Kanto.

>>720076998
gameshark isn't a videogame and shops were rare and barebones back in those times unless you lived in a big city, city-slicker zoomie

>>720076746
The Pokemon Special manga began in march 1997 and the Pokemon anime itself began in april 1997. The game released in february 1996. They would've been based on the same information, there is absolutely nothing to suggest the Pokemon Special manga was based on secret beta information, they just turned those characters into villains because that was effectively their role as the game's bosses and shonen mangas tend to be much more about a character working their way through a bunch of increasingly powerful members of an evil organization compared to the pokemon anime which has much more in common with sports anime tropes.

>>720076323
Nintendo owns TPC. It also control essentially controls Game Freak with regards to Pokémon. It also controls Creatures. Watch Moon Channel’s video about it. Nintendo has full control of the franchise.

>>720077085
I'm not terminally online to go out of my way to see what's bait and what isn't. I just chalk it up to the person being actually retarded to even try.

>>720076647
I know it's a bit late but there are romhacks that make every mon obtainable in-game without event fuckery anon.

>>720077203
this is exactly why i included the word 'retail' in there

>>720077137
I mean yeah you're not wrong. I got mine in LA back then and even then it was some hole in the wall store near my godmothers house. I think it might have been an EB games.

>>720077181
If I'm not mistaken, Nintendo primarily just owns the names of all of the monsters and not a lot else. Of course if that is the case, they can't do anything with the series on their own anyway.

>>720067652
this is why Horizon is already the superior anime series.

As Liko's story develops, she does grow old. No more Peter Pan tier Ash fantasy crap for stupid millenials.

I need a RN from /a/ to make a decision for me. Do I keep these Viz scans of the Pokemon manga, in all their glorious high-quality, and suffer the censorship? Is there somewhere I can read proper accurate translations for certain important moments? e.g., there was a big confession scene that's butchered in the English version because of censorship among other incidents
a real nigga

>>720069328
>make it so Ash gives up on the league
>goes on a quest to find Ho-Oh instead
>after several episodes of filler adventure he catches another glimpse of Ho-Oh and that motivates him in to challenging the league again
>he wins
>fucks off forever
that's not so bad

>>720077330
>man enjoys eternal youth
>woman will be thrown away for the next generation when she’s old and busted
lol…

>>720076613
not even the guy you originally replied to, I'm just saying you're a retard to single out a 12 year old 3DS copy of some shitty PSP game as an inspiration when its gameplay is a carryover in the first place and the series has an even more recent version of its gameplay loop. Your logic makes no sense, and now you're spreging out like an autistic person because I stated a fact.
>it's not a reboot
What do you think "re-digitized" means, then, dumbass? It was marketed as a return to form and takes place in a different continuity from the original game, normal people call that a "rebooted continuity" or "r-e-b-o-o-t" for short (much like the bus you rode to school)

>>720072592
to be fair nobody at school talked about the game or anime, pokemon=cards back then.

>>720067452 (OP)
It would be saved and go down as one of the most important piece of Japanese media that took the world by storm.
Instead, much of that good will was squandered with subsequent generations, each being more and more lazy mechanically. It's truly exemplifying the thinking of corporate suits, not just in Japan.
Once Pokemon struck a gold mine, Game Freak tested the waters with Gen 2, only to find out people are content with doing the same thing over and over again, just renamed. This meant they had no reason to truly develop the games mechanically, it's all Gen 1 without the soul, but with a new coat of paint and less cool bugs. The original Pokedex already had a quite large number of Pokemon, expanding it with each Gen was bound to have the franchise end up in mental retardation/extreme autism territory with the power creep. It would STILL not be an issue, if each Gen introduced new Pokes, but not hundreds of them, many of which, like the floating keychain, a suspension bridge, and, worst of all, waifubait humanoid Pokemon obviously introduced to keep the older (older than 5 yo) satisfied and kept spending money.
I can't say much about the anime as I only watched the original and even it started running into problems, like - after a hundred episodes you could basically elucidate what it's going to be about. There were only a few eps, which became notorious on their own. For example, there would be nothing wrong with the Porygon episode if the fuckers at the studio, instead of drawing a normal explosion the heroes were getting out from, they replaced the background with very quickly changing, solid background colors. I have no idea how NOBODY, not in the studio, nor in the TV Station, looked at this and said: "Yeah, this is fine". It was an obvious seizure bait and sure enough it worked. Porygon therefore became another Pokemon "foreverially" benched just because the creators were afraid the sight of him will cause PTSD in the seizure kids or something.

>>720077587
>3DS copy
stopped reading there
we're debating z-a, which ripped off re: digitize.

>>720077330
damn did they really finally shelf ash? what about team rocket?

>>720077928
yeah like two years ago. the current anime is specifically following scarlet and violet. Of course the series still features a Pikachu who flies an airship, but he doesn't belong to anybody. Everything else from the Ashnime has been retired.

>>720067452 (OP)
Nintendo didn't step in the last minute. Shudo had a fuck ton of ideas that been vetoed by the higher ups.

>>720077130
Nope, they were removed in gen 2. The Spaceworld proto shows more of Tajiri's original vision for the series though, where the games took place in IRL Japan with Pokemon mysteriously showing up one day and even being used in battle during WWII.

>>720068758
Why all this fluff just to say you are legally allowed to fuck?

There is literally zero good reason why Pokemon games can't look as good as Digimon Time Strangers; Anyone that defends gamefreak at this point is a retard.

>>720070468
asian culture really is like that

>>720078401
why put more effort in when your cultists will buy it anyway?
to this day i still believe the migration to 3D is so they can keep reusing the same pokemon models until the end of time

>>720078180
It's actually funny how they keep referencing a great pokemon war but are too pussy to fully flesh out what it consisted off and what war it was based off of.

>>720078349
Plausible deniability for when some puritan soccer mom (nowadays a terminally online zoomoid) throws a bitchfit

>>720078592
that's possible, but some of the models have been changed over time, even if they lied when they said all of them were being changed. they eventually gave in to fan complaints about typhlosion not always having its flames out.

>>720078401
Why should they try when retard man children and childless bitches will buy on day 1?

it's pretty weird how I went from sexualizing misty as a kid, then going to gardevoir as a teen. then to male gardevoir leaving my teens. then to ash crossdressing as misty. then just back to misty. just full circle.

>>720078592
what is this logic? why couldn't they have kept reusing the B&W sprites? i'm sure many people would rather have those sprites forever than the 3d models

>>720067452 (OP)
the creator of Pokemon created it based on his childhood memories of catching insects

>>720068547
what are you talking about
every time I take my mother to a restaurant or out to eat she says
>I could have made this better
>you should have let me cook something like for you if you wanted it
>I would have used better ingredients

even when I would help her clean stuff or put things away it was always
>you should do it this way
>I want them like this

no, she really didn't think she didn't want to do those things and secretly resented me or hated it like you are implying.

>>720078401
Pokemon is a multimedia franchise first, game series second. The games only exist to pilot new characters for merchandise. Quality doesn't matter when all the fans care about is collecting Pokemon, not playing a good game.

>>720067790
Planet of the Pokemon.

Plot: Ash is the only human spared by the insurrection leader, Pikachu and put to sleep inside of a Pokeball remade to house a human, not Pokemon, and hidden away so that other Pokemon that he leads, do not know of him saving a single one.
Ash wakes up to a different world once many decades, maybe hundreds, of years have passed and his Pokeprison broke down, releasing him. He is still his age in the anime, desperately trying to find Pikachu and his companions of old. But what he truly finds... A world where cities and villages are no more. The planet became a one, huge place with different biomes for pokeymen to live. Yes, Pokeymen. Apparently, some of the Pokemon became as sentient as people, if not more so, gaining ability to use tools, but their cultures are hidden from sight, as they're afraid the cold, mass murderer and de facto dictator of the World, only known as Pol-Chu (alternatively Pika-Pot), would find them way too big of a potential problem and destroy what they built for so many years, salvaging what they could from technology left over by humans.
Can Ash find those elusive Pokemen and gather them under a single banner to topple the tyrant?
Or perhaps, Pika-Pol can still be brought back to reason after he sees Ash?
What else has changed in the world, how much time has passed when he was imprisoned in stasis?
Will he succeed in finding allies to his cause? Perhaps there are some other humans left in Humanballs waiting to be freed?
All this and more... In the new Pokemon movie "Ash and the Planet of the Pokemon"!

>>720078592
That sadly applies to both sides of digimon and pokemon products.
I fucking wish they actually came out with a new vpet instead of reusing the same old style ones over and over at nearly 60 dollars each.

>>720079145
>TFW no Cadillacs & Dinosaurs with Pokémon

>>720068758
Where's the episode where Ash files his taxes? What is Ash's income? Does he claim Pikachu as a dependent?

>>720071652
>>720071732
11 years old btw.

>>720078640
That's interesting. Did they retcon Lt. Surge too? In gen 1 he was an american soldier stationed in Japan post WWII.

*canonically solos every single Pokemon*
>b-but
NO EXCEPTIONS

>>720080905
I think they did. In the remakes Surge doesn't talk about the war or electrocuting enemy soldiers like he did in RBG. Like dude is a legit vet that still thinks about the days of war and these pussies are like "nah the pokemon world is a happy place with sunshine and rainbows"

>>720078896
most of the black and white sprites were just gen 4 sprites but poorly animated

>>720077146
the MOVIE came out after the first run ended. mewtwo wasnt a team rocket project in the anime, EVER. only in the movie, and none of the movies are canon to the anime

>>720081028
what is it going to do to anything made of metal

>>720081028
It's funny cause the rex was supposed to be the big bad which means even an electric rat and fire breathing dragon wouldn't of been able to defeat a natural creature from earth.

>>720081150
NO.
EXCEPTIONS.

>>720081139
the movie canonically takes place before the end of the indigo league

>>720081150
Steel type was barely thought of in Gen 2. I can only imagine a steelix being able to beat a rex.

>>720081028
Nah, not every mon just 151

Time to rewatch Spell of the Unown for the billionth time fucking GORGEOUS movie

crazy hamburger should be a pokemon. a spoiled burger, so fairy/poison type

>>720081249
yeah, IN THE MOVIE. not the anime

>>720067727
When I was a teenager I thought I was too old for Pokemon but just got back into at nearly 30 this year. Part of being an adult is enjoying the things you want to in the privacy of your own home.

>>720081276
I'm not sure what it would do to anything like the legendary birds.

>>720081459
There's playing pokemon casually as an adult and being a total man child faggot over. This is why I dont tell anyone I play because they turn into a turbo autist trying to battle and trade me all the time. My cousin literally hits me up every fucking day to battle in S/V cause he found out that I play casually when I'm bored.

>>720073550
I miss waking up to watch the new episode before school, going over to my friends houses afterwards and playing Pokemon Stadium until dinner was ready.

>>720074127
what the fuck was blue's problem?

>>720078896
Reusing the BW sprites would look like shit on a 3ds

>All these people crying about Shudo being crazy
The man had his issues, but you better believe his vision in the anime and the general open-ground of Gen I made this series a lot more grounded and realistic. Like the monsters you're catching can kill you if you're not careful. Even the games start off with you being stopped because it's dangerous to go in the tall grass without a Pokemon, specifically because they were wild animals, bigger than the average rat and bird respectively.

The first episode of the anime involves Ash almost getting killed by a flock of Spearow. Even Ash's first design shows an uneasy kid trying to prove he's worthy of being a trainer, and at least in Gen I, he gets floored when he actually had to be a trainer instead of doing a good deed for a badge.

>>720081028
I love Gen 6 solely because it gave me a T. rex Pokemon. I wanted one of those so bad back when I was a Gen 1 kid.

>>720082740
huge fuck-up that it wasn't a gen V Pokemon. Imagine making an Ameritca-lite region and the fossilmon is somehow not a T-Rex

>>720082740
Such a good design, too. Something that could've easily existed back in gens 1-3.

>>720081028
>Jurassic World Rebirth

>>720067452 (OP)
>Pokemon was originally supposed to end with Ash as an old dying man and the entire pokemon world having been his embellished childhood memories
Prophetic in how many manchildren still cling to this franchise as if their lives depended on it. Fucking pathetic.

>>720068389
I mean in fairness, there's absolutely no fucking way the latter ending would have been greenlit ever. At the end of the day, this is a merchandise-driven show designed to sell a product. Shudo didn't exactly hide the fact that he wasn't really into the whole idea of Pokemon training and battling. The ultimate message of such concepts being fundamentally bad is completely and utterly counterproductive to, you know, wanting to sell games about training and battling Pokemon. You're basically telling kids that they should be ashamed of liking these games.

When you fully know your client base, you can minmax profit vs work .As for the anime, it lost all remnants of its soul after the team moved to digital production fully and now episodes can be shat out quickly and cheaply. The execs still believe their fundamental customers are little kids using their allowance or nagging their parents to buy them Nintendo shit, preferably a Switch as well, so the kid will shut up while parents (single moms) pat themselves on the back for "parenting is hard".
I'm sure they're aware of the unfortunate adults that keep playing every game entry, some even watch the anime as well. For the "successful men that made it in the company", you guys are seen as retards, because they sincerely can't understand why would an adult keep playing games and watching anime catered towards little kids, but they're businessmen first and foremost, so expect them to include new ways to keep you hooked, pay as much as possible for the minimum of work possible.
It's not wrong to like/play/watch Pokemon even if you're 80. There are only a few things to understand and ones you need to remember every time you think about spending money on their stuff:
-The games will never improve as long as idiots keep shelling out cash for every title and it selling in the millions
-You should take a break and think if happiness for you is being an eternal slave to a single company, taking whatever they offer, regardless of quality
-Some of you suffer from "Chasing the Dragon" syndrome. Just like with drugs, you can never relive the exact thing ever again, as part of growing up, turns a kind of a switch (you guys call it "the year everything started going to shit"). The brain matures as the last organ, often until 30. The transition from the "kid vision of the world" to "adult vision of the world" takes place as this process continues. You then start noticing and thinking about stuff you previously didn't really care about.

Something interesting I don't hear brought up too often is that Bill's Pokemon storage system was based on the pneumatic tube system. Basically they were tubes set up underground where mail cannisters were shot to their destination. A live cat was even sent through them at one point.
https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2013/08/that-time-people-sent-a-cat-through-the-mail-using-pneumatic-tubes/278629/

>>720083737
>The games will never improve
fixed
they would sooner close up shop than fix the games.
voting with your wallet is a meme. either you drink up the vomit they poured on your plate or you walk out. you won't get anything better

>>720082671
He was based off spoiled brat nepobabies of which Japan is very much familiar with

Reminder that most pokemon trainers don't make it. They usually fail at the first or second gym, realize they suck, and then give up on their dreams and become a wagie.

>>720067452 (OP)
>>720068758
This is the same book where Ash's mom was an amateur porn star. She didn't make it big, but just being semi-famous was enough that no guy in Pallet Town was willing to shoot their shot with her.

>>720069264
That's sick and scary as fuck.

>>720084475
I call bullshit.

>>720084260
On the contrary, in the games, even having one badge shows that you're a pretty good trainer. Almost no one does the whole League challenge. That's a massive commitment that not everyone really wants to do. In the games, most humans are trainers, partially out of necessity since having Pokemon is considered to be advantageous just for everyday life. Plus, most people, even if they're not really registered trainers, still just live with Pokemon as pets or family members.

the porygon incident retroactively saved GS development time

>>720084607
It's true. Brock's siblings are also from different fathers.

>>720084914
Prove it! Show the pages!

>>720084697
Well yeah, that's why you being the champ is a big deal cause most normal folk wouldn't even bother with the gyms, much less doing all 8, then the league, then the champion. It's the reason why red is treated as a prodigy cause he was the only masochistic enough to do this shit all on his own at age 10

>>720085019
And then he gets beaten by another 10-year-old every couple of years, making him the weakest of all the protagonists.

>>720085019
I like the idea that Red and Blue are just a little bit unhinged and obsessed

>>720085019
And he's still just a normal guy.

>>720074397
>drank himself to death
he died of heart failure

>>720085162
I wouldn't say he's the weakest since he took most kids who went up to Mt Silver for a fucking ride back in Gen 2. I was flabbergasted when I saw this fucker had the fully evolved versions of all 3 starters plus a tanky ass Snorlax and Lapras.

>>720085009
>>720085363
And here's the bit about Brock's siblings.

>>720085465
As an opponent, his job is to lose to you. Thus far, he's lost to the protagonist of Gen 2, Gen 5-2 and Gen 6.

>>720085486
imagine if other pokemon gens adapted like this

>>720085563
That's in game shit, but lore wise Red is the absolute fuck you autist that made it to the top

>>720084056
They're fully capable of improvement if profit was on the line.
The problem is - try to think like a businessman. You keep selling games and merch for your long-time successful franchise and every time you're successful and rake in hundreds of millions (if not billions). Why would you take a massive risk and change anything in the current model when it's working very well? There's this saying - "Better is the enemy of Good". Game Freak saw Sqeenix do exactly that - changing the formula that simply worked great in order to take a huge risk, chasing a wider audience - in the process, essentially losing the people that supported them up to that point, the people that made them into a giant corporation. Companies of all kinds are extremely risk-averse these days, therefore you see the rise of Remakes, mass adoption of a single engine for all types of games, mistaken belief into "great graphics and intense marketing (see Silksong) sell the games!" - but this belief is held by the boomer and late Millennial shareholders. It's the reason why a small game made by a few, dedicated guys can be a masterpiece selling far better than any AAA title. Corporations that make games are most often led by people out of touch with gaming, to them it's just another job and it's better to play safe to keep the shareholders happy (so they keep getting funding). I must say that Nintendo differs in a single thing - the people at the top were once low level nerds too, it's much easier to them to understand and predict the market's expectations.

>>720084024
to be fair, this is literally never stated anywhere in any game. all it says it that you stored the pokemon in the PC and never really elaborates on what that means. there was even the idea that pokemon literally shrank down to go into the ball, but it was always depicted by them turning into light energy.

>>720084739
As a kid, I thought Porygon was cool as fuck and wanted too see it in animu.
But, the ep never got aired here and I was bummed by that fact. I didn't/don't have seizures of any kind, so for me that scene just looks cheap as hell. I mean, blue and red background colors rapidly blinking was supposed to mean an explosion? This almost sounds like a sentient choice. I don't believe there was not a single person among the animators and the TV Station guys that looked at this and realized it's going to shake up a number of watchers, not because of the plot, though.

>>720085843
In the games, Pokemon shrink down into the ball, hence the name "pocket monsters". The beam of light stuff was something the anime came up with. The storage system seems to be a carryover from early in development when capsules were used instead of pokeballs. It's why you find various items inside pokeballs throughout the game too, because they were simply capsules/containers at one point.

Another fun tidbit, NoA tried to localize Pokemon with redesigns, which included turning Pikachu into a tiger catgirl with huge breasts.

>>720085625
>parental abandonment
>child labor
>whore of a mother
hahaha, yeah imagine

>>720071732
The Electric Tail artist may have gone too far in a few places

>>720082726
I remember when Gen 5 Ash was revealed I thought his new eyes were so weird looking

>>720086264
What's weird to me is that Porygon 2 and Porygon-Z never got to be in the anime. Everybody who was affected by that is too old to care anymore, and they obviously wouldn't have flashing lights. Fun fact, because Porygon-Z was never in the anime, it never had an anime voice. PokePark on the Wii used the anime voices, and Porygon-Z was a character in that game, so they had to come up with a brand new voice for it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WrUR2SQQphE

>>720086558
>Iwata: A long time ago, when we were taking the "Pokémon" game overseas, I was still working at HAL Laboratory before I came to Nintendo. I was watching the process, so I felt that at the time too, that the first reaction to something that's not easily accepted by them is "I wonder how well this will sell."

>I still remember it very vividly, when they saw Pokémon and said, "Something this cute can't be called a 'monster'. Monsters should be muscular and more fearsome", and they sent me a picture of a muscular Pikachu. I remember thinking, "There's no way we can show this to the people who made Pokémon." I remember this like it was yesterday, even though about 10 years have passed since then.

We were robbed of muscle Pikachu.

>>720067452 (OP)
I wanted the pokemon uprising ending.

>>720086558
>a tiger with huge breasts
Well they were absolutely right, that design would have been massively popular.

>>720069264
I always wondered if that inspired the creation of Eternatus.

>>720087004
I wonder if pokemon was in part responsible for putting a stop to the practice of redesigning cutesy japanese characters for western audiences. When Sailor Moon was being brought over, they wanted to completely reanimate the show with those shitty 80s/90s western style ugly designs.

>>720087004
And looking at that copyright in the corner of the designs, that would have caused more problems if they went through with it. Need I bring up Tetris Attack?

>>720086558
>turning Pikachu into a tiger catgirl with huge breasts.
GF was just jelly they didn't think of it first.

>>720087079
They kind of revisited that idea with the Mewtwo Returns movie. Pikachu and Meowth act as ambassadors between humans and Mewtwo's clones.

>>720074397
Mate, Lugia was fujoshi bait from the beginning. Huge fucking yaoi hands, very likely sports a retractable, massive dong and hunter eyes. It sounds like you're inventing headcanon to believe "Lugia is ackstually a female!" because you wanked to that thing so many times and now, you feel gay (and rightly so).
Remember, that trannies use the same line of reasoning "Mark was always female! She's just got wrong sex assigned to her!".
Besides, lets be real. You think a man this age drinks himself to oblivion because his design got misgendered? Or because alcoholism is a plague in Japan and the dude was drinking for years (High-functioning alcoholic) due to problems that he had which were unrelated to Pokemon? Overworking, too little sleep, oppressive work culture that means Neo-Feudalism in essence, issues with wife/divorce or the lack of a romantic partner, lack of children or time for them. Being depressed for years, taking various "antidepressants" that shrinks give you but then you down them with booze. There's more possible issues, but these, I believe, are far more likely than becoming suicidal over the kind of gonads your fictional creature has. Or, for some, becoming suicidal over gonads they were born with. See the similarities?

>>720087283
Say what you will about the DS cartoon, but it did do a good adaptation of Lord Raptor and it was the first media to give Morrigan a Scottish accent which she retained for her future English voices and is accurate to her monster origin lore. I wish we had gotten to see BB Hood in the show(or ova).

>>720067452 (OP)
>Pokemon was originally supposed to end with Ash as an old dying man and the entire pokemon world having been his embellished childhood memories
Source?

>>720087772
Remote viewing.

>>720067718
>you can be 10 years old forever
>but you will slowly transform into a mexican
would you do it?

>>720088058
>trophy is covered in stars of david
what did they mean by this

>>720088415
stars of remphan*

>>720080104
wdym they do release new vpets
and all of the remakes of the older ones being released as premium color models have significant changes and additions to make them better and fix up problems with the old ones?
you not keeping up with whats releasing doesn't mean nothing is releasing.

>>720080809
11/10

>>720088058
It's not even Mexican. Ash now looks as if his design was a bastard child between the original and current "Moe" designs, that make him nearly unrecognizable. Maybe the creators thought "people in the West rove moe and pretending to be women, our audience likes moe too, so let's try going with that!".

>>720086662
Shit went hard though. The black fog arc was some good stuff.

>>720087492
well they had two pokemon in gen 1 with unmistakable breasts, something no other generation has had even one of. though neither of them were particularly sexy.

>>720084607
Kneel to the canon characters of pokemon

why did the anime never introduce ash's dad? one of the last episodes of the ash arc mentioned he would be visiting in viridian city or something and was gone by the time ash got there. It might have been obvious to give him some sort of conflicting feelings about him, but that was never explored either. Ash becomes world champion and his dad doesn't bother to meet up and congratulate him, and ash is just like "oh well, on to the next adventure"

>>720067452 (OP)
The game series is the original canon you retard.
Ash was based on the protag of the first game named Red + pokemon creator Satoshi Tajiri. That's why Ash looks like Red and is named Satoshi in the Japanese anime.

Besides, the series should have ended before they redid the artstyle. Who the fuck unironically watched that slop after they ruined Ash's model? Lol.

>>720077365
bump

>>720089192
The anime DID introduce Ash's dad.
Ash's dad was the Mr. Mime who fucks Ash's mom regularly throughout the series. If you were paying attention to the lore you would have realized.

>>720071732
>>720071652
>>720088504
Don't worry, she's an adult

>>720070719
>the author also made hentai
Every japanese artist does, all artists draw porn do but the Japanese don't hide the fact and put it in their resume.

>>720089323
that Mr Mime was introduced in a much later episode. It wasn't always there from the beginning.

>>720089192
The book introduces his great great grandpa and implies his dad is a washout

>>720085363
It doesn't say pokemon pals was an erotic magazine.

>>720090194
It's obviously a girlie magazine, she was a gravure idol

gamefreak's mistake was shitting their pants over yokai watch

>>720090803
What happened?

>>720085418
Guess what alcoholism causes.
t. Just had heart failure follower by a stroke and my heart is pumping at 13%

Gamefreak died the moment they got woke
It's a lot more obvious when you read the original Japanese script and not the localized troon fanfiction

>>720092595
I'm confused what is woke about the old stuff

>>720089192
The writers simply didn't feel it was important to bring Ash dad into the story.

>>720067917
>>720076028
Holy shit…ANIMALS IN CAGES?! THAT’S SO LE FUCKED UP! And whips?! WHIPS?! No fuakin’ way! And here I thought the animal bloodsports was bad! This shit is way too edgy for kids!

>>720079145
>Pol-Chu (alternatively Pika-Pot)
Dimes.

>>720091615
Sun and Moon were made as a response to Yo-Kai Watch at the peak of its popularity.

>>720067652
They should’ve switched that nigga out ASAP with Jimmy/Gold/Ethan
Just keep Pikachu somewhere

>>720078401
Would it kill you pokefags to play more videogames? Time Stranger looks mediocre, there are more interesting looking 3DS games.
>b-b-but Pokemon is still looks bad!
Then say that nigger. Don't dickride other mediocre slop.

>>720067452 (OP)
>What do you think the franchise would be like now if that had happened as intended?
It would be way, way better and I am serious.

>>720095690
Should of been the previous youngster is the next older person.

>>720068758
What is this from?

>>720077318
They wouldn't need to. They're bigger than gamefreak and neither can do one thing without the other, which puts Nintendo in control.

>>720096367
The official novelization the main writer put out.

>>720095690
Yeah, something like Pokemon Special.
>Ash finally wins something
>Throw in Brock or Misty to join "Gold" on his new quest
>Let Pikachu accompany "Gold" as well
>Final face off between Gold and Ash
>Rinse and repeat for R/S

>>720096367
Pocket Monsters: The Animation. It's a pair of novels written by the original showrunner that had the ideas he wanted to put in the anime. He never got around to making more than two for whatever reason before he died.

>>720096553
He wasn't allowed to release it, he says in his blog later that they said he could only release the rest after the anime ended

>>720076323
"Pokémon isn't Nintendo" is just cope to help explain why Pokémon games suck without besmirching Nintendo's reputation

>>720067452 (OP)
Couldn't be worse than it is now.

>>720088058
I could've sworn that they stated in the original series Ash had turned 11 at some point. It's not just the age he also forgot everything he learns too. You'd think by Sinnoh he'd know the complete ins and outs about what Pokemon are weak are against each other.

>>720067652
Is that why he always lost?

>>720096897
Unironically yes.

>>720067652
Which is peak fucking retarded, everyone wants super-trainer Ash following Red's footsteps but execs are monkeys as usual.

>>720068043
Shudo would've been fine as a Digimon writer.

>>720077330
There is not now, nor will there ever be, anything superior in a post-ESG medium. Who are you kidding?

>>720067452 (OP)
>Pokemon was originally supposed to end with Ash as an old dying man and the entire pokemon world having been his embellished childhood memories

No it doesnt you delusional piece of shit. Now back to thinking about having sexo with pokegirls!

>>720088058
Who thought this looked good?

>>720096875
not quite. in the third movie I believe, he says he's been traveling with pikachu for one year, but after that point he mentions several times that he's still 10

>>720067452 (OP)
I always kinda wished they just did the Yugioh thing of letting characters stories end and picking up with a new protag.

>>720067452 (OP)
if they actually did that it would have killed the anime for kids, it would have killed the momentum of the franchise. The games probably would have still sold well but it wouldn't be anywhere as near as big a moneymaker as it was today.

Nintendo was right to stop this (probably untrue) retardation

>>720067790
Did they not make such an episode? The drowzee mass-hypnosis one.

>>720097397
That's what the writers originally wanted but the execs were afraid of losing profits so they forced Ash to stay on as the protag.

>>720067452 (OP)
>Pokemon was originally supposed to end with Ash as an old dying man and the entire pokemon world having been his embellished childhood memories
That sounds like bullshit, but I'll believe it.

>>720083585
He had gone almost the way of Hideaki Anno, too bad he hadn't absolute creative control to compete against the game franchise

>>720067727
but PROFITS THO

>>720067902
Just like you.

>>720067829
They started doing this with OVAs during Gen 2, Ethan got his own anime and it had Kris with him and they just never followed up on it.

>>720073550
>>720073636
>all those pokemons and you only need two to fulfill your fantasies
>ditto
>mew

>>720097635
>Silver never actually showed up outside of a cameo

>>720067829
>different temperament Pikachu each time. Like an asshole one, a funny one, etc.
Ash's Pikachu has fulfilled all of those roles over the course of the series

>>720097258
>pic
Uncensored pls

>>720068043
Yes and it was kino, case in point: Would you have known about some obscure Magical Girl show in the 90's if it DIDN'T end with her getting hit by a truck?

It was a masterstroke.

>>720083585
I think someone's idea of Pokemon was very different depending on if they started with the games or the show. If you start with the show, which is about friendship in the wilderness, and then you go play the games and see what a generic jrpg it is, it's a pretty jarring experience. They made two conflicting premises for Pokemon, both of them took off, and they've been trying to contrive a way for them to get along ever since.

>>720097635
>OVAs during Gen 2, Ethan got his own anime and it had Kris with him
I remember watching this as a kid and getting pissed because Ash didn't appear anywhere.

>>720068547
Dang.
Makes me feel kind of bad that Mothers in these games are all nobodies who are trapped inside of the first house you leave.

>>720085486
This is what the actual story is in the anime though, the only difference is the "nine fathers" thing isn't mentioned, it's just one father and he comes back at the end because he regrets being a deadbeat.

>>720068758
>what if pokemon... was le real
What if mario ate mushrooms and got high haha wooooahhhhhhhh

>>720097051
Chiaki Konaka worked with Lain AND Digimon Tamers, so it wouldn't be so "Farfetch'd" btw

>>720097745
When it comes to complaints about Gen 2 one thing no one mentions is how they never really finished Silver's story arc, just some half-assed line about he needs to treat his Pokemon better even though he straight-up stole his starter

>>720097776

pikachu please think of the advertisers

>>720097852
well, sadly, there's our answer.
I remember watching it just so I could self-insert as Ethan and jerk off to fucking Kris and I am serious. That warped perspective at the age of 10-11 is probably why I'm here on 4chan.

>>720097974
>how they never really finished Silver's story arc
They did in the remake. They reveal he's Giovanni's son and he becomes a better person. Then they put the rest of his character development in a fucking mobile game.

>>720073775
>>720074571
he'd be 6-7 at the time of peak Pokemania, I only vaguely remember the hot toy trends when I was 6-7 like Tamagotchi
having said that there's no way this guy didn't learn about the games until age 12

>>720097950
This is the official worldbuilding novel from the writer anon, it's not fanfiction, it's the bits that he didn't have time to loredump in the actual anime.

It's like if Miyamoto write a book about mario and explained that he was high all the time.

>>720098192
>It's like if Miyamoto write a book about mario and explained that he was high all the time.
Miyamoto would explain anything that's the most convenient at the time.

>>720077181
>Nintendo owns TPC.
Holy shit the absolute fucking state of information in this god forsaken place.
No retard, Nintendo does not own TPC, and in fact TPC makes more money than Nintendo, Nintendo co-owns the Pokemon brand which is split three ways with TPC and GameFreak, and their largrst contribution to the franchise is publishing the games, the games are primarily developed by GameFreak and the rest of the IP (TCG, anime, ma nga a d merch) is managed by TPC, Nintendo has very little input into the games overall other than the few times Iwata helped GameFreak fix their shitty code.

>>720098192
It's more like the actual Super Mario Bros manual which explains that all the blocks/trees/bushes are toads transfigured by Koopa magic, Princess Toadstool is the daughter of an unknown figure called the Mushroom King, and goombas are mushroom people that betrayed the kingdom. It sounds wtf tier now but back then it was just silly background info.

>>720098391
>DK's face? Actually his face always looked like that, ever since DK arcade, remember that? It just looked weird for like ten years when that baka gaijin company was around, but to DK it always looked like DK arcade

>>720098435
they should have kept that prince guy that was engaged to the princess

>>720098192
>mario and explained that he was high all the time
Miyamoto's list of games for people who like to smoke weed and get high or drink beer and get drunk

>>720097809
lern 2 use ai

>>720087004
>We were robbed of muscle Pikachu.
AND a proper design for Gorochu (deviantard lazy "recreations", like a Daredevil Raichu, doesn't count)

>>720098054
>well, sadly, there's our answer.
Since kids have been following Ash's story over the course of Kanto, Johto, and at the Hoenn league. Seeing someone else come out of nowhere and taking Ash's spot and telling a different story was jarring as fuck. I remember watching the OVA as it was aired live on TV and turning off the TV by the second commercial break.

What was going on in Japan for them to decide existentialism and cloning were topics to tackle for the breakout Pokemon mover? They even had cut the whole human cloning part. I'm not mad and I wish more movies would take risks, its just a weird decision.

>>720067452 (OP)
Shudos original idea for the ending was Pikachu raised an army and fights against the human opressors. In the 3rd movie it was suppose to be a fossilized T-Rex fucking up the city. Shudo had a shit load of bad ideas and needed tard wrangled. With some tard wrangling he did some magic

>>720087004
>Charmander breathing fire in a manner clearly meant to be smoking a cigarette
I don't think that would fly on late 1990s children's television.

>>720087442
>Need I bring up Tetris Attack?
Now, I'm curious. Please do.

>>720099758
>With some tard wrangling he did some magic
Kind of the norm for autists and other people, like how Romero and Carmack really worked magic under Softdisk and Apogee, after Doom they kind of fell off, especially Romero

>>720099560
>What was going on in Japan for them to decide existentialism and cloning were topics to tackle for the breakout Pokemon mover?
Massive, Massive 90's economic collapse lead to the rise of a LOT of depression-laden media becoming super-popular and existentialism and nihilism taking a front seat in every popular story at the time. NGL is one such case.

is the new protag any good? i liked ash

>>720100084
To be fair, wasn't entirely Carmack or Romero's fault.
Romero felt he could replace id entirely because a senior Programmer to him was just a code monkey with a fancy title, but forgot Carmack is the only one talented enough to bring his crazy ideas to life.
Carmack felt he could replace Romero entirely because story in video games is like story in porn, which led to him making a bunch of arena shooters and Doom 3 which was considered tame even for games of that era.

They needed each other. The ultimate dream team ruined because of superstar coding.

>>720067707
Well, yes. That's why Ash in Japan is "Satoshi." After the series creator, who had a hobby as a kid of collecting insects in his area of Japan.

>>720100145
Liko and Roy are goddamn fantastic and would be considered good protagonists even in shows that aren't serialized toy commercials. What makes them stand out isn't the characters themselves but all of the support characters they have as friends who they mesh really well with. Ash's companions were add-ons who barely interacted with him by comparison.

Few people realize it because they just associate pokemon with Ash and when he left, the show basically ended. I think they tanked the show's ratings but who cares, it's better off this way.

>>720067727
I stopped, thanks to #Dexit

I kind of want to download the rom of Conquest just to see Legend of the Three Pokemon Kingdoms and how that plays. But the series is (mostly, I'll still dabble with the TCG digital clients) dead for me until Gamefreak decides to stop being idiots and properly balance their shit or admit it was never competitive-meant and just do all Pokemon in the game again.

>>720100514
>Dexit
Possibly one of the most fag things to come out of the Pokémon fandom.

>>720100421
People will adjust in time. I might give the new show a go myself.

>>720100514
Conquest is beyond dog shit but the first main campaign is "fine" just to experience it once.
t. 100% it

>>720100145
best way I can describe it is that Liko is a support protagonist, Roy is the little kid that is doing the standard shounen protagonist thing. I don't like Roy very much, he's too much like a weird combination of Ash and Max. Liko's unique in that her role is being a lynchpin for the story and the team. Being a cute girl also helps.

>>720069264
QRD on the t rex stuff? Don't remember there being a movie with that

>>720082740
I got a blue one with an Adamant nature in my original X file on my first try

>>720077928
Here's the meeting on why they decided to get rid of ash from the giga leak if anyone is curious.
https://docs.google.com/document/u/0/d/e/2PACX-1vR2eOSE1_o9IhTwPYwSyh_832rpwGgKAWEML4xRtwMTh-mdVqLF7jUwXVE-NUcobwrMQWa7-GVVTTI7/pub?pli=1

>>720100421
>I think they tanked the show's ratings but who cares, it's better off this way.
Spoken like a dyed-in-the-wool tumblrina.

>>720068547
I'm sorry you have a bad relationship with your mom.
my mom is constantly thinking, "what can I do for my kids? are they okay? should I cook something for them? are they going to be alright without me after I'm gone? I ought to see what I can do for them right now." sometimes it's a bit much, but you can't deny your mom what makes her happy. good mothers live to nurture their children even if they're not perfect

>>720101704
Early pitch that didn't happen. Instead we got a much better movie.

>>720098410
No. You've got it backwards. The Pokemon Company was the joint-creation of Nintendo, Game Freak and Creatures designed to manage the Pokemon brand, merchandise and licensing. This means that Nintendo, Game Freak and Creatures are the bosses of TPC. Additionally, Nintendo actually owns a lot of the trademarks associated with Pokemon as well.

Incidentally, Warpsar, Inc. is a similar such venture jointly created and owned by Nintendo and HAL Laboratory for managing the Kirby license. No one in their right minds would claim that Warpstar owns Kirby, especially considering that it was formed in 2001, a whole nine years after the launch of Kirby's Dreamland. In that same fashion, The Pokemon Company was formed in 1998, two years after the launch of Pokemon Red and Green. There is no possible way in hell that Nintendo, Game Freak and Creatures would jointly form a company and then just give that company complete independence and full ownership of the Pokemon brand.

>>720101837
Spoken like one of the nostalgiafags happy that Ash lost the Kalos league so he couldn't end his adventure ten years ago when everybody wanted him to.

>>720090297
IV≠AV retard

>>720102183
You think nostalgiafags wanted more of what they were getting in gen 6? lmao

>>720101837
for the ashime? it's absolutely better off this way.

you probably weren't around then, but people were pissed when Ash lost his last league. The two choices have always been let Ash win the league and retire or keep him as an eternal loser and nobody liked doing the latter but nobody wanted to do the former. It was so bad it flooded _this_ board, not just /a/, ash losing Kalos was a worldwide event that made local news which was incredibly embarrassing to TPCi.

they had no choice, it doesn't help they were planning on replacing him since hoenn.

>>720102335
Gen 6 was a direct consequence of listening to Nostalgiafags. They basically ruined the whole series. Anime, Games, they always whine if any of it changes too much but aren't willing to participate in what gets made because it's too similar to what they had and worse in different ways.

Fuck em'. Glad they lost that battle.

>>720068758
This explains why Gary had a car.

>>720102393
Yeah, and faggots forget but it was so embarrassing that they immediately made up a new league that didn't exist just for Ash to go win it in a Mini-Season speedrun because they wanted to get all of the hate off their backs before the next game came out.

So people always saying "Ash needed to stay! Look at the ratings!" make me lmao.

>>720102548
Kinda like Orange League but people liked that

>>720102483
>aren't willing to participate in what gets made because it's too similar to what they had and worse in different ways
I don't quite know what this means, but if there's some means of participating in what gets made that I'm not a aware of feel free to clue me in.

>>720102684
Nostalgiafags don't buy these modern games or participate in modern pokemon. They're not even in the target audience anymore.

>>720102596
well the orange islands was a filler arc. I watched indigo league not too long ago and I was amazed at how tonally the show shifted as soon as orange began and it became a slog to watch. I skipped most of it and went to johto, but even johto wasn't all that good.

>>720067452 (OP)
It should have ended with this, today Pokemon is the biggest scam running in videogames
>Yeah we have two versions of the game, you need both to get all the content:^)
>"But don't they both have the exact same content "
>Yes but we locked it away so just buy the second copy goy

>>720104436
very few people buy both versions. only turbo autists. you don't even have to do that these days either since you can trade on the internet.

>>720104682
>only turbo autists
So most pokemon fans?

>>720104902
Pokemon is the most normalfag franchise out there you fucking retard.

>>720104436
>>720104436
pokemon was originally meant to have seven versions, but winded down to just two

>>720067593
the johto anime was boring

>>720067593
>the peak of the series, gen 2
You're forgetting all the filler between each gym and Togepi ruining Misty's character. Normies were leaving the anime for Yugioh during gen 2.

I feel like the Sinnoh anime was the only one made by someone who actually understood why kids like Pokemon

>>720086558
It's bizarre to think of a time when Americans would try to make a Japanese work more sexy, rather than less.

>>720067452 (OP)
>Ash never encountered or caught Ho-oh

Well that sure sucks

>>720067652
And were they wrong? It's the most profitable franchise in the world. They must have done something right. Name anyone now who gives a fuck about the anime now that he won

>>720067452 (OP)
Anime is not canon.

>>720071831
>Pokemon legends arceus/ZA, Sword/Shield and scarlet violet should have been kino


>All buggy glitchy unpolished pieces of shit

Pokemon peaked around DS/3DS era, change my mind.

>>720071831
>movie
The actual anime was so poorly animated, I couldn't believe it when I went back to watch

>>720104436
The idea, at least officially, was for people to get different versions and then interact and socialise with each other to trade and stuff

>>720103189
people wanting more of what they like? wow who coulda thunk? the problem is they forgot to make it good

>>720075349
>Even this isn't in generation 1, or 2 for that matter
first game is still about kicking the mafia's ass, they just don't want a legendary pokemon
the second game, the mafia just brainwashes normal pokemon to do their bidding
third game the upgrade to brainwashing legendaries

>>720101759
Lucky. I egg grinded for one. One of my only legit shinies.

>>720075743
>the game was always about selling you shit
duh, we're talking about the plot of the games, which is decidedly not about growing up like the other anon said

>>720086558
Didn't they actually make that mon later on?

>>720109109
i mean not really, although I'm sure there's at least one but probably multiple digimon that you could describe that way

>>720075293
I wish this artstyle would come back