Thread 720068040

>considered one of the most kino games ever
>literally just a hallway simulator
The fuck?

>>720068040 (OP)
It has the most soulful graphic style. All games should look like FFX

What was his problem?

Hallways are all you need when you have fun battles, cool characters, cute waifus and an emotional story.

>>720068463
He wasn't real.

>>720068040 (OP)
First in a lot of things for the series that we take for granted nowadays and the art design has soul especially the first half (Okinawa). Brotherhood is a memorable blade. Game story is tight and makes sense for the most part (X-2 didn't need to exist). I mean if the game is good it doesn't need open world. Lulu or Rikku romance alternate endings were the only miss.

>>720068463
Forget Tidles, what the fuck was Jecht's problem?

>>720068697
Probably that YOU CAN'T DO IT KID

Besaid...home...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RC1VmGXiEFw

>people who actually play the game enjoy it and like various aspects of it
>underageb&s and thirdies who don't play videogames ever post google image results and some buzzwords

>>720068693
>the art design has soul especially the first half
Yeah Besaid to Luca is my favorite part of the game for this

>>720068548
That reveal still hits hard

>>720068040 (OP)
Other than the bad character models is the HD remaster the best way to play?

>>720068697
Failure of a son

>>720069331
Jecht loves Tidus.

>>720069192
Yeah, its why I really like the walk up to the dome in Zanarkand, storywise both Tidus and Yuna fully believe they are going to die and are willingly walking towards it. Also it has my favourite music in the whole game
https://youtu.be/elCgRauEkVE?si=wIdfnwhApHWC7G9R

>>720069447
He just...didn't know how to say it

>>720068040 (OP)
It was a lot of people's first FF. Personally as an OG fan of the series I thought it was mediocre at best.

Life is a hallway simulator

>>720068040 (OP)
>le hallways are le bad
>why?
>I DONT FUCKING KNOW

>>720069631
Kek

>>720068040 (OP)
>hallways are..le BAD
Retarded ameritard. Kill yourself, subhuman. Europe hates you.

>>720069631
>>720069724
The first game had no hallway BS and that's the soul of the series. FFX shits on that soul.

one of the greatest vidya ost of all time
I say that as someone who actually plays an instrument

>>720069095
incel cope

It has actual dungeons with puzzles. Every hallway has some hidden up and down spots. The hallways allowed the ps2 to push out some crazy graphics for the time.

>>720068040 (OP)
>run straight: the game
>blitzball is shittier than india
>equipment in the game is the worst in any rpg ever
>mc is the most annoying npc
no idea why boomers worship this slop

>>720068040 (OP)
The standards were different back then.

>>720068040 (OP)
I've been playing it the past few days. I'm at the calm lands right noe and just realised that I'm not having fun with this game.

>>720069787
The first game had no amazing story and characters and that's the soul of the series. FFX shits on that soul.

>>720069996
Story is gay and FFX has one of the shittiest casts in the series. unless you like whiny teenage angst.

>>720068040 (OP)
i still wish for an actual game to look like this pic

>>720070045
Cloud > Tidus > Terra > Cecil > Others

>>720069724
AmeriGODs warped this EuroKEK

>>720068040 (OP)
people only rate it because it was the first one they played

>>720069875
But enough about FF13

>>720070096
Xenoblade games get pretty close on emulator with upscaling

>>720070112
Tidus is bottom 3 protags in the series easily.

>>720069787
Maybe you should play the first game again. It's complete hallways until you get the airship

>>720068040 (OP)
it doesn't come close to any of the previous 3 entries
it was a lot of peoples first/only FF game, that's the only reason

>>720069447
Loves, but is disappointed in

>>720070313
I just beat it again last year. No it isn't, a first timer will spend hours exploring and wandering and if you played it with a guide you're lame.

>>720070353
>.png.jpg

>>720070112
>Cloud > Tidus > Terra > Cecil > Others
Redpill me on Cloud

>>720068697
Alcoholism and narcissism. He fucked a vapid fangirl and didn't know how to connect with his child despite genuinely caring for him.

>>720069269
Just emulate the international edition of the original. You can also use an undub patch if you want.

>>720068040 (OP)
>muh open warrudo

kys

>>720069631
I will never get the obsession with wanting all games and genres to be homogenized into mush. Things can and should be different. Everything doesn't need to be aimed at the same audience.

>>720068040 (OP)
Final Fantasy was always pretty railroaded anyways.

>>720068040 (OP)
yeah, and? are you retarded?
the area design is not what determines kino or not. it has stellar atmosphere in literally every single zone in the game and it all meshes together well. the art design, the music, superb. the combat system, superb. significant amount of optional content, good.
it does not matter that half the zones in the game are just long stretches of corridor because of all the rest of it

>>720069829
?

>>720068040 (OP)
You faggots whine about this but the market has leaned so much into open world garbage that games like X and XIII's design begin to feel like a breath of fresh air

>>720070665
exploring what? The environments are hallways

>>720068697
>Be a sport superstar
>Be drunk and bang a fangirl
>She gets pregnant
>Jecht doesn't know how to raise a kid because he's an alcoholic sports star
>Tidus' mother don't know or care to raise the kid after few years because she just wants Jecht
>Jecht prob thinks he should act as a cocky trainer rather than a proper father
>Fucks up the whole thing
>Loves Tidus actually, but you know how men are with their words and showing love towards other men
>Especially a drunk sports star
>Has some kind of redemption and growing up when he's removed from his superstar status
>And having Braska + Auron to wrangle him a bit
>Btw he was never real

>>720068040 (OP)
the far bigger issue was the dogshit writing and dialogue that occupies the majority of the games playtime

>>720068697
Tidus' mother seems worse to me. Jecht did at least love Tidus even if he had zero clue how to show it. Tidus' mom on the other hand never paid attention to him when Jecht was around and willing died leaving her son an (effective) orphan because she couldn't get Jecht's dick anymore.

>>720071660
You haven't played FF1.

>>720068040 (OP)
I hated X.
It was the beginning of the end of the franchise.
It all began with the removal of the overworld and the inclusion of voiced lines.
Unforgivable.

>>720068040 (OP)
Story is good, cast is good, and locations are good. It's a hallway simulator done right.
>inb4 b-but there's no le midgar to heckin explore!
The locations benefit from the story, which being it's a society truly under pressure and threat from a devastating being.

>>720071724
>Be a sport superstar
>Be drunk and bang a fangirl
>She gets pregnant
That's an insane backstory for an FF protag.

>>720072536
>It was the beginning of the end of the franchise.
That was FF8.

>>720068040 (OP)
The thing I want to know is Ride ze Shoopuf?

>>720072975
How much do you think Bradka had to pay in damages when Jecht attacked one?

>>720072438
You lost the culture war.

>>720071724
>Btw he was never real
Of course he was real. Everyone in Zanarkand is real and also based off of real people like shuyin

>>720068040 (OP)
Frutiger-aero ahh game cover.

Squall > Tidus > Cloud > Who cares
Squall's only problem is that he's a good well written chatacter stuck in a game where every other character are badly written retards

>>720073508
I actually agree with this, despite hating FF8. Cloud isn't a bad protagonist, but he suffers the same downfalls as Sephritoh, where they both have something interesting going for them in their backgrounds, but they're executed kind of poorly.

>>720068040 (OP)
map true but X has the best combat, characters, story, and aesthetics of any mainline FF game. That's why it's so well liked.

>>720069269
Look at the top image, and notice that the lighting is off. People becoming walking shadows at sunsight is a famous phenomena of these islands IRL.

Conversely, an anon once mentioned how theyre pudgy faces was intended to make them look like Pacific Islanders. FFX is the ultimate of version of
>are anime characters white or Asian?

>>720072379
This. Even as a kid I wondered what the hell was with the mother. Jecht clearly had a hard time being a caring father even though he did care for Tidus but the mother is just neglectful. Almost makes me wonder what the writer's childhood was like.

>>720073941
The cgi cutscenes make them look very asian

>>720068040 (OP)
Its the PS2 kids first movie game pls undestand

>>720069269
If you know knew how bad things really are.
The reason they look bad is because the company that Queer-Penis outsourced the demaster to just took the battle models and made them hi-def with generic chink faces. So, if you're wondering why the faces don't emote like they used to, that's why. Those lazy faggots thought: "Just because we CAN use the battle models for everything, we WILL use them for everything!"
So that's why the demaster looks soulless as fuck.

>>720072973
No it wasn't.
VIII, for all its faults, still had the core elements of the FF series.
X was the first to throw away core features that were in all previous entries.

>>720068697
Didn't know anything about being a father, so he fell back on what he did know, which was blitzball. He was a decent guy but with poor judgement and a drinking problem.

>>720068697
>>720074625
Do you think Jecht was a good teammate?

>>720074048
Yeah, that guy also mentioned that. Well, I gave it a quick search, but couldnt find it.
>The cgi cutscenes make them look very asian
So thats even more to my point. White in gameplay, Asian in the cutscenes.

>>720074019
Teenager and groupie. She just never grew up despite getting railed by the biggest celebrity on the planet.

>>720069631
Because level design becomes bad. And why is bad level design not a good thing? because exploration is downgraded, and traversing the level becomes just a tedious push forward button.

Good level design creates opportunities for the player to execute their input command, and it creates the environment for the game mechanics to shine, by making a shallow level design, you are diminishing all of that, and the excuse is that linear level is there for muh story

>>720074678
The team probably revolved around him, so he didn't really have to be a good teammate, as long as his teammates were humble enough to realize they were just supporting players for the superstar. Towards the end of his career that dynamic may have changed, with aging and drinking slowing him down.

>>720073834
>Best FF combat is a 6/10 turn-based combat system.
grim

I thought FF Tactics was considered the best though?

>>720074619
What core features are you talking about?

>>720075290
nta but way to dodge the other issues:
> characters, story, and aesthetics of any mainline FF game
REFUTE THEM. I'm genuinely curious about the faggot take on these points.

>>720073609
Can you elaborate?

>>720068697
tidus couldn’t throw a ball

>>720068697
I feel like he’s a stand-in for successful Japanese men who married “lesser” women and didn’t pay enough attention to the household while the kids were growing up
The wife never amounted to anything and didn’t feel the need to develop herself after marrying and settling with someone so successful
So the kid grows up, the dad finally has a chance to reconnect, and realizes that he’s missed the opportunity and now doesn’t know how to express his love, instead treating the kid like a fellow man rather than a son
The mother is useless because she never developed herself and got complacent, so as soon as the kid was functional, she kind of just gives up because the man she based her life and success around is also absent

>>720075382
I agree with them, i was asking about combat.
I think characters FF7 and FF9 are better but story goes to X

>>720068040 (OP)
the turn order system is great
damage and hp breaking
summon system is neat
side quests

>>720075467
>I agree with them, i was asking about combat.
Okay, I can respect that.

>you can run away from the Dark Magus Sisters and fight them one on one
Did anybody else know about this?

>>720075385
About what?

>>720075290
I think 10 is only FF game where they actually had to design interesting bosses, because there was no ATB anymore so that they could just slap boss some HP and call it a day

>>720075572
What the fuck lol
I feel like FFX is one of the few games that I consider myself a sage in, but even I didn’t know about this

>>720075572
No, but I feel like that defeats the purpose of fighting the dark aeons in the first place. It's supposed to be a challenge.

>>720068040 (OP)
>literally just a hallway simulator
Normalfags love those, hence it being considered "kino". See LoU and Clair Obscura.

>>720075678
How the backgrounds for Cloud and Sephiroth were executed

>>720075572
Pretty sure I did back in the day but even then they'd fucking annihilate me in a single hit. I don't care for post-game bosses in JRPGs.

>>720073941
>People becoming walking shadows at sunsight is a famous phenomena of these islands IRL.
*shadows at sunset

>>720069631
it's amazing how ass-blasted 13fags are over this. they don't understand WHY 13 gets criticized for being nothing but hallways, and it infuriates them that 10 "gets a pass".

Wtf is Tidus’ Zanarkand anyway. Does it exist? Doesnt it exist?
Is it somewhere in Spira? If so, how was it never found?
And why did Sin attack if if it was supposed to protect it from Bevelle?
How the hell did Auron end up there being an Unsent and not a dream of the Fayth?
How come only 5 Summoners managed to complete the Pilgrimage in millenia but Yuna needs to go into one years after her father did?
Why the fuck did Lulu accept being bred by Wakka when she was the fiancee of his brother?
Fuck FFX

>>720076956
is dream

>>720075923
Their backgrounds were fine, it's what they were after. Sephiroth turns into a generic anime villain after he discovers what he is, and Cloud doesn't really change much after Tifa saves him from his mental breakdown. Both had interesting backgrounds to really be something, but the execution afterward for how they turned out was pretty boring.

>>720076956
Tidus zanarkand is called dream zanarkand. It exists somewhere in the sea. The dream zanarkand and its citizen are all summons, summoned by yu yevon and sin is another summon who protects the drean zanarkand

>>720068040 (OP)
yeah, there's literally nothing wrong with linear games. i know that's kind of mind blowing for some people.

>>720077138
Ok. But Sin attacked it in a full blown Kaijuu attack. Even if we consider it was Jecht trying to pull Tidus, it was acting against its prime directive.

>>720076956
>Wtf is Tidus’ Zanarkand anyway. Does it exist? Doesnt it exist?
It does exist

>Is it somewhere in Spira? If so, how was it never found?
On the top of the Ocean. Never found coz all citizens were too busy recovering from Sin's destruction.

>How come only 5 Summoners managed to complete the Pilgrimage in millenia but Yuna needs to go into one years after her father did?
Because the fayth was tired of dreaming and decided to end it all. And for the plot convience.

>Why the fuck did Lulu accept being bred by Wakka when she was the fiancee of his brother?
Knowing Lulu and all her belts she is too lazy to move around and just fuck whoever close to her.

Worst part of ff10 is swapping everyone every battle so exp/ap gains are more or less consistent.
Also the minigames are ass but that’s an FF tradition so I won’t complain much… maybe a little about that ass Chocobo balloon shit and how much RNG Blitzball is at first.
How can I hate its parts so damn much but still love the game as a whole?

>>720076956
Sin attacking DZ isnt fully explained. But i assume it was auron luring it there somehow, and jetch did have some control over sin still. Even if DZ is destroyed it just gets resummoned again.

>>720077386
When you cut Kimahri out completely, the battle swapping for exp becomes fine. Kimahri sucks dick.

>>720068328
When everyone looks like they have fucking Parkinson's disease?

https://youtu.be/1j5cPP1s__o?t=55

>>720077492
I only use Kimahri enough for that one battle and it’s piss easy anyway. After that, he’s gone.
Quistis’ Blu Magic was also tied to a Limit but at least it was better to manipulate in VIII.

>>720071589
Couldn't agree more.

>>720077421
>Sin attacking DZ isnt fully explained
Pretty sure it's just to get Tidus out into Spira, planned with Auron, as they attempt to break the cycle

>>720077764
In the opening auron is clearly communicating with jetch asking "Are you sure?", so yeah bringing tidus definitely was the main goal.

>>720077764
>>720077889
Bahamut-Kid is also there. They want out, too.

I’m thinking on getting the remaster version. Is the lightning hopping still torture?

>>720078286
Yes, and I would just emulate the international version, because the HD remaster sucks ass.

>>720078286
Try using the crater trick. It's still tedious but more predictable

>>720078286
Just use save editor to skip the bullshit

>>720078286
I did it as a kid for me and my cousins file but when I played the remaster I couldn't even get to 50. Might just be cause I'm old as fuck now

>>720078286
Less frustrating than the butterflies, it just takes long

>>720078286
Like the other anon said I'd emulate although if you want to get the HD version, there's a script to get the lighting dodge shit over with. Fuck that minigame. Did it legitimately on the PS2, used the script for the HD. No shame, it's fucking awful. Whoever came up with it must've been the same guy who thought of the 100 jumps in SMRPG.

>>720069269
You play the game for the cutscenes and environmental art and the HD demaster ruins both. They aren't just bad character models because the animations, lighting, and environmental textures are all vastly inferior as well.

It completely ruins the game if you have a sliver of taste.

>>720078881
The camera view makes avoiding the red butterflies a pain in the ass.

>>720079121
Not a hallway though guys

>>720079072
If you play it the first time, i agree. Definitely emulate the original. But if you are not first timer, playing the remaster is fine as you do get better looking UI and other QoL. FFX Master's Challenge is cool mod btw

>>720072438
I've played all of them

>>720070415

10 is a lot better than 9 lol
better characters, better combat, better final boss, better story, and the OST is just as good

7 > 8 =10 > 9

>>720071660
This is like saying you can't explore a building b because it's just hallways.

>>720068328
fpbp

>>720079210
It's clearly a tree trunk

>>720068697
He was autistic

>>720068797
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5P6-V7J5S-0

So did Yuna fuck a ghost?
Did Auron think he was Shuyin the entire time?

The environments are beautiful and they dont fucking look like hallways. FF13s hallways LOOK LIKE FUCKING HALLWAYS.

I like FFXIII

>>720080038
Did Auron think he was Shuyin the entire time?
Why would Auron think this? Shuyuin wasn't even a thing until FFX2

So why the fuck was everyone okay with Final Fantasy getting rid of the overworld? Is it because 10 had fancy graphics so nobody noticed?

>>720068040 (OP)
its a hallway cause of its story if ffx had 7s stupid side bullshit it would ruin the game so fucking much and it also be werid as fuck yeah sin kills everyone apart from two places but this sea hotel has been fine for 150year now spend 2hours here doing bulllshit

what I am saying is 7 fucking sucks dick

10 was proto 13 but it got a free pass because you played it when you were 11.

>>720080247
Its because FF10 did not need it. The whole story is about pilmirage.

>>720080247
FF is a continuous evolving and experimenting brand, there are no rules.
FF fags have trouble accepting this because they mostly entered the franchise halfway into it.

>>720069654
it will get remade after part 3
it will get turned into 2 games
it will get padded out and ruin the pacing
I will be mad

>>720080247
We weren't but 10 definitely did have that effect too. I remember people complaining about it back then though and FF11/12 had already caused people to say the series was dead.

>>720080650
Spoken like a real Squeenix suit, dedicated on ruining the brand.

>>720080247
Truthfully has having over worlds after FFX made the FF games better?

>>720074048
the cgi makes them look thai

>>720080601
10 and 13 are like a night and day when it comes to their "hallways". in 10 you can actually go back to previous locations to explore and see new stuff (like Jecht Spheres). in 13 the hallways are just empty sections with enemies

>>720080680
What would be the cutoff point?

Am I supposed to upgrade the purple tiger guy? I haven't done anything with him.

>>720080834
worst thing SE can do is part 1 ends after the biltzball games they've just padded the fuck outta the start
maybe the temple after sin attacks the al-bed and christcucks after you get rikku

>>720081080
No, ignore the him only upgrade the blue tiger guy

Thoughts on the beta version of FF10 that we never got?

>>720081565
french and gay

>>720081565
I feel line tidus as plumber would've been overshadowed by mario

>>720081339
There's a blue one?

>>720080783
I don't think Type-0's world map was harmful.

I like the aesthetics and the setting but the characters and the story are fucking lame. It's where they went down the disney route.

>>720068040 (OP)
The early two thousands and beautiful warm tropical locales.. yep, those were the days...

>>720073941
>Look at the top image, and notice that the lighting is off.
true
>how theyre pudgy faces was intended to make them look like Pacific Islanders.
be honest anon, you made that up.

>are anime characters white or Asian?
they all have blonde hair and blue eyes

>>720081565
i prefer the beta logo, looks so cool

>>720074269
the new models aren't the old cutscene models, they're worse lol

>>720081565
might have been cool

>>720081565
>we will never get that cool, mature, intelligent, Giga Chad mechanic/plumber Tidus

paaaaaaaaaain

>>720069448
seymour's boss theme is one of the best themes in FF

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PbKN_l6G9s4&list=RDPbKN_l6G9s4&start_radio=1

>walking from A to B in a detail rich environment filled with personality, charm and lore
WTF IS THIS A HALLWAY SIMULATOR?!?!
>walking from A to B on an empty low poly overworld that has zero interactivity other than random encounters
Wow, this game is not linear because it has map and map = non-linear

Hallway sim argument is perfectly reasonable for FF13 which railroads you down empty tunnels for 30 hours with no return but people who loved the early FFs though hated X due to 'linearity' are utterly retarded. Every mainline FF is linear, the particularly 00's-10's western market's obsession with non-linearity has destroyed the RPG and action/adventure genres.

>>720068040 (OP)
Is it true square enix lost the original files and had to remake the models from scratch and thats why they are "off"?

>>720083156
yes and they outsources all the work to virtuous

>>720083156
Yes. First the FFX remaster and now the FFT remake

>>720083304
What annoys me is that it happened to KH as well and yet they faithfully recreated those games while FF got the axe.

>>720077553
Yes

Wakka HATED Al-Bhed.

>>720083156
yeah it's a japanese standard to blank all the hard drives they used to make a game after they finish it

>>720083156
Sex with original PS2 Lulu

>>720080798
>Jecht wants fans and women to be everywhere and adore them during their pilgrimage
>Thinks all of them will enjoy them after they beat Sin
>Thinks he'll get back to Zanarkand
The Jecht Spheres show that Tidus really is always in his shadow and more similar than they want to admit

>>720083156
>>720083762
Wait the PS2 version is on the left???

>>720084131
Yep, the PS2 version really does look better than the HD remake

>>720068040 (OP)

I've never heard FFX referred to as 'kino'.

Graphically, it was impressive for the time but that's all.

>>720069829
yeah, just like that

>>720084195
yuna is so fucking pretty bros

>>720084308
>Make shitty remasters of games you can easily emulate for free
What the fuck is the strategy here? Are they just preying on ignorance?

>>720084464
yes, actually

Lick Lick Lick Lick Lick Lick Lick Lick Lick Lick

>>720077236
yeah, that's kind of a major plot point in the story, Sin's not really working the way it was originally intended to.

>>720068040 (OP)
I didn't know what a hallway was when it was released

>>720068040 (OP)
My grandma got this game from a guy who was only trying to bang my cousin. And then i tried to bang her too. And in the end none of us could.

At the time I was super young. I didn't know incest was wrong.

>>720068040 (OP)
>boot up FFX
>it doesn't simulate hallways
>most of the game takes place in open air environments
>even when you are in a hallway section the game is more concerned with battles than the hallway itself
I hate anons and their false advertisement

>>720084464
It's the perfect example of out of touch suits ruining video games.
>sir we have fans of -old game-, we should re-release the game for them to buy
>"but -old game- is old, we should update it so we can make even more money on it by attracting new audiences that only like new looking games
>as I cannot disagree with you in fear of my job, that sounds like a good idea
>*pay millions of dollars to sweatshop scammers that convinced you into believing they were better than old ps2 devs(they aren't)*
>release game
>it does well because most people are drooling retards
>"haha im a genius!!!! let's do it again and tell all our jew friends about this strategy!!!"

>>720077694
I remember Tidus was annoyed that Jecht quit drinking after that. All the things Jecht did while drunk around Tidus and all the times Tidus pleaded with him to stop drinking, but he wouldn't. Attacking the Shoopuff was enough though. I imagine Tidus felt like he was less important than a random Shoopuff to his father.
Reminds me of how my brother and I tried to get my dad to stop smoking all our lives. He never did. At least, not until he got diagnosed with cancer, then he finally quit.

>>720084810
>Sin's not really working the way it was originally intended to.
NTA but I always thought it was a cool concept that the whole Sin system was breaking apart.
>the sacrificed guardians are gaining too much influence over Sin
>the fayth are getting tired
>Yu Yevon has been reduced to a bug that's only obsessed with keeping the cycle going
>Yu Yevon has become so efficient at things that Sin comes back faster and calms are getting shorter
>just the fact that calms will become meaningless soon
>maesters are starting to stay undead for so long it'll be obvious really soon when they're around longer than what is natural
Spira was quietly on the brink of total collapse. An alternate timeline just to watch everything spiral out of control would be great.

>>720085137
rikku a cute

>>720080247
I remember I wasnt okay with it

ao fuck off and die lying bitch ass troonime

would you?

>>720083156
Man, when the HD remake came out, I got it and sold my PS2 copy. Those were the early days of remasters. It was just assumed that the new version would be automatically better. The idea of a worse version of a game coming out later was unfathomable back then.

>>720085471
I believe I would

>>720085471
Would I?

>>720068040 (OP)
Well over a decade and a half of open world slop and trash has made me appreciate hallways simulators done well. FFX is one of those.

Anyone wanna try to explain these?
> Tidus crashes sacred ritual ignoring warnings because reasons
> Wakka hates Al Bhed for killing his brother but Yuna’s part-Al Bhed mom is secret even though they grew up together
> Auron forces Tidus on deadly pilgrimage to fulfill Jecht’s wish, Tidus never questions Sin being his dad
> Al Bhed kidnap Yuna to blackmail Wakka’s weak team, no one notices during busy blitzball tournament
> Tidus never asks Rikku why summoners keep getting kidnapped, Yuna lets her join guardians anyway
> Rikku flips motivation from kidnapping summoners to joining guardians but opposes Yuna marrying Seymour, pick a side
> Seymour wants to marry Yuna and become Sin, why not just join guardians and be Aeon Supreme? Sin replaced every 10 years anyway
> Auron knows Yevon is a lie and hates summoner sacrifice but supports Yuna marrying Seymour to keep pilgrimage going
> Sin drags party to Bikanel for no explained reason
> Guado find secret Al Bhed base and attack anyway
> Secrets kept from Tidus feel forced for drama
> Auron surprised by machines in Bevelle temple even though he was there 10 years ago
> Isaaru fights Yuna but uses Bahamut so he must’ve seen machines anyway
> Enemies locked in maze with weapons instead of executed
> Seymour fights get repetitive and pointless
> Dream Zanarkand and Sin’s origin feel like watered-down Link’s Awakening
> Auron regrets Jecht’s sacrifice but drags Tidus on pilgrimage anyway
> Why don’t sacrificed summoners stay alive like Yunalesca?
> Seymour resurrects repeatedly, Yunalesca dies once and for all
> Tidus arrives in Spira thanks to Sin and Auron, why did old Sin bring Jecht here?

>>720085729
> Tidus crashes sacred ritual ignoring warnings because reasons
Because he's a chad jock who doesn't give a shit he heard a woman might be in trouble.
>> Wakka hates Al Bhed for killing his brother but Yuna’s part-Al Bhed mom is secret even though they grew up together
I don't see why this has to be explained. It's an easy secret to keep.
> Auron regrets Jecht’s sacrifice but drags Tidus on pilgrimage anyway
> Auron knows Yevon is a lie and hates summoner sacrifice but supports Yuna marrying Seymour to keep pilgrimage going
Both of these are explained by auron wanting the pilgrimage to reach yunalesca by any means. Nothing else matters except that sole moment.
> Tidus arrives in Spira thanks to Sin and Auron, why did old Sin bring Jecht here?
Jecht went real far out to see to train at blitzball. He ran into sin. Dream Zanarkand is a physical place that sin keeps everything out of and everyone in, usually.

>>720084962
Damn, bro. Sorry. You have my sympathies..

>>720085729
>Tidus crashed the ritual because he has no concept of religious sanctity and felt the need to help someone after being useless for the past few days
>Yuna's mom died before Yuna went to Besaid and Wakka never met her, also she died before Wakka's brother died so he would not have held a grudge against her while she was alive
>Yes that's the plot of the game
>Yes I don't see the issue
>Tidus never asks Rikku because he's too dumb to put 2 and 2 together, Yuna lets her join her guardians because she's family
>Rikku flips motivation from kidnapping summoners to joining guardians but opposes Yuna marrying Seymour because he is a massive prick
>Seymour is a flamboyant faggot and has to turn everything he does into a spectacle
>Auron is driven by purpose and does not question the others decisions as long as they keep going
>Sin drags party to Bikanel for no explained reason
>I don't see your issue
>Secrets kept from Tidus feel forced for drama. They are.
>Auron surprised by machines in Bevelle temple even though he was there 10 years ago
>Isaaru must’ve seen machines. Sanctioned machina don't count. Yes it's hypocrisy that's part of the point
>Enemies locked in maze with weapons instead of executed. Ok?
>Seymour fights get repetitive and pointless. I agree the last one especially was a waste of time
>Dream Zanarkand and Sin’s origin feel like watered-down Link’s Awakening. Ok?
>Auron drags Tidus on a pilgrimage because it was necessary for him
>Why don’t sacrificed summoners stay alive like Yunalesca? The people that stick around past their death have something like a grudge or a duty binding them to the world. Successful summoners can pass on peacefully having completed their goal
>Yunalesca died at least twice and might have come back more often if Sin wasn't defeated
>why did old Sin bring Jecht here? Good question I have no idea

>>720086661
>>720087063
Thanks anons

>>720087063
>>why did old Sin bring Jecht here? Good question I have no idea
One theory is that Jecht is technically similar to an aeon or a fayth. Might have something to do with Sin's programming or the intention of the fayth who were getting tired of the Sin cycle. Someone from Dream Zanarkand is an anomaly in Spira.

>>720080680
They'll also add Chadley and "platforming". Chadley will be in every squeenix game from now on.

>>720084131
No, that's a bait webm that has been around for years. I'm not saying the remaster looks better personally though

>first FF7Remake trailer references a "long calm"
>Aerith does a sending dance in Rebirth
>FF9 remake cancelled and 8 remake has been said it'd take forever
>only viable option left
I really believe it could one of the few amazing remakes. FF7 was okay, I enjoyed it, but it wasn't as spectacular as it should've been. FFX has the potential to be awesome, especially with the Sin cinematics and a sphere grid update. They just would need to nail the VAs (just get the woman did rikku the first time, maybe Tidus' if he can still sound like him. And Wakka).

>>720089554
Leave it be, FFX2 was already an unnecessary game

>>720089554
>FF9 remake cancelled
This remaster confirms it's real though.

>>720089940
The FFT remaster*

>>720089554
>>720089710
>>720089940
>>720090001
13 Million copies sold!!!!

i have a bad habit of playing or wanting to play it during summer season, but not finish

>>720085636
After 15 shots of whatever the hell Jecht drinks

>>720082830
Yeah, that's what I was saying. They used the battle models for the cutscenes. It's even more jarring when the FMV faces look NOTHING like the in-engine faces in the demaster.
Fucking chinks.

>>720089054
It isn't bait, it's the real footage. You can see it yourself here
PS2 footage of that scene, timestamped: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BMEH3ZkYoqY&t=9m06s
Remaster footage: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DTSpjIJdWus&t=580s

PS2 version of FFX had higher fidelity models for in-game cutscenes that allowed for better face animation, along with the lower fidelity models that were used in actual gameplay. Remaster just used one model for both and loses out on the detailed face animations for in-game cutscenes.

>>720068040 (OP)
you wouldn't get it. you had to be there.

>>720089054
>make webm showing the differences in versions
>"that's bait"
explain

>>720092762
The remaster made new models and they suck. It's not the old field model.

>>720068040 (OP)
literally every game is open world these days and they're all fucking shit. bring back linear games.

Kek

>>720069631
literally the first actual map you can travel after getting everyone in the party besides Rikku has an entire optional path that some players will only know exists if they lose to the chocobo eater, while others will never know they could actually lose to it and discover the pathway by exploring. The most FFXIII does for its first 25 hours is a few treasure chests out on a ledge that's slightly inconvenient to walk to, they're rarely attached to actual gameplay or even just puzzles

I hate people that talk about this game and only beat the main story. If you haven't gotten every ultimate weapon, gotten a shitload of lvl 3 and lvl 4 locks, crafted all the items and beaten all the arena enemies I really don't give a shit what you think about this game. The endgame is the good part and everyone acts like it's not mandatory to beat the game.

>>720085729
>> Tidus crashes sacred ritual ignoring warnings because reasons
he heard the girl was in danger and wanted to help her
> Wakka hates Al Bhed for killing his brother but Yuna’s part-Al Bhed mom is secret even though they grew up together
no they didn't, he didn't know, yuna's mum/dad
> Auron forces Tidus on deadly pilgrimage to fulfill Jecht’s wish, Tidus never questions Sin being his dad
he said in the game he felt something from sin (he knows its his dad)
> Al Bhed kidnap Yuna to blackmail Wakka’s weak team, no one notices during busy blitzball tournament
cause everyone is watching the game (the game is a celebration of freedom from sin not just a football match)
> Tidus never asks Rikku why summoners keep getting kidnapped, Yuna lets her join guardians anyway
why would he ask her? cause she's yuna's family anon
> Rikku flips motivation from kidnapping summoners to joining guardians but opposes Yuna marrying Seymour, pick a side
she doesn't want her to die and she doesnt want her to marry some tree mommy fucked up fucker
> Seymour wants to marry Yuna and become Sin, why not just join guardians and be Aeon Supreme? Sin replaced every 10 years anyway
sin is not replaced every 10 years what the fuck are you on about here (theres like 5-7 ppl we know have beaten a sin in like 1000/2000 years) why not just join guardians he thinks there stupid as fuck (when sin kills them he just lets them go ahead cause he doesn't care he wants wife yuna but he needs to bound with her to become sin)
> Auron knows Yevon is a lie and hates summoner sacrifice but supports Yuna marrying Seymour to keep pilgrimage going
he doesn't support them marrying or seymour wouldnt of gone why are you here you dead bitch
> Sin drags party to Bikanel for no explained reason
jecht is still in control of sin
> Guado find secret Al Bhed base and attack anyway
with the help of the cristcucks cause two al bhed killed seymour (there head of state)

>>720097263
Me and my brother did all of the arena (except maybe one or two things, maybe), got all, if not most, of the ultimate weapons, anons, and Yuna doing a decent amount of damage by the end of our run. I guess we never did the dark aeons cause we didn't have that version and I can't bring myself to go through everything on my own to get there on the remaster.

>>720089710
FFX2 and whatever fanfic, blitzball explosion nonsense already exists to poison the lore so I'd honestly be okay with a remake.
>>720089940
Not necessarily. I'd wager they'd sooner to put a X remake to make up profits.

>>720099078
then why do the Al Bhed kidnap Yuna to force Wakka and the others to lose the Blitzball tournament? What do they even care about Blitzball?

>>720099452
it's safe to safe FF9 is getting remade

>>720085729
> Secrets kept from Tidus feel forced for drama
he gets told about sin pretty early in the game
and they dont tell him yuna will die since most dont wanna face the fact she will die (thats why they fight fate in the end to stop yuna from dying)
> Auron surprised by machines in Bevelle temple even though he was there 10 years ago
when was he in that part 10 years a go, the braska pilgrimage wasnt yunas step by step he wasn't being hunted by bevile so there not running all over the temple
>Isaaru fights Yuna but uses Bahamut so he must’ve seen machines anyway
and? his trying to kill the woman that helped save him I doubt he gives a shit about a machine
> Enemies locked in maze with weapons instead of executed
one set gets thrown underwater
other gets put in some dungeon with isaaru protecting it then a boss fight after
> Seymour fights get repetitive and pointless
like you, no more the kafka or spethiroth
> Dream Zanarkand and Sin’s origin feel like watered-down Link’s Awakening
sure
> Auron regrets Jecht’s sacrifice but drags Tidus on pilgrimage anyway
he regrets not doing what the ffx group did in killing yunalesca and beating that wizard nigga
> Why don’t sacrificed summoners stay alive like Yunalesca?
there told to be good goys and die for the cause so why would they be unsent? they fufilled there goals and wants
> Tidus arrives in Spira thanks to Sin and Auron, why did old Sin bring Jecht here?
who knows it said he goes out to train and somehow gets sallowed by sin, maybe its like a Moby Dick thing

The endgame character building is fun in theory but I hate how it just turns into cheesing levels with overdrive > AP and endlessly grinding bribes

>>720099723
ff9 is not getting remade over 10 when 7s dev team said they wanna work on 10
the 9 remake if it ever fucking happens will be some chink slop

>>720099541
>force Wakka and the others to lose the Blitzball tournament?
you can win it anon, they want to protect yuna and all summoners from going out and dying
I guess theres a Bball team for the players to get more characters and give you more teams to face

>>720100535
that source proves you wrong, they've had it planned for years

>>720100798
and yet no ones seen even a fucking cunt hair of it
diofields been out for 3years
theres be two ff7 games
fft is coming out soon
kh4 out
TO been out for years
it doesn't look good for ff9 and if it every comes out it wont look like 7s remake and no one will buy it

>>720101030
>and yet no ones seen even a fucking cunt hair of it
before a couple of months ago you could say that about FFT too

>>720101061
and what did will finally see after 4 years a AI remaster where you dont even get the added fucking content

>>720101270
you're trying really hard to be retarded, go take a walk

>>720101479
what your happy with getting less content then a psp game

The remaster nerfed Quick Attack so now you need to beat Nemesis with Rikku's Hyper Mix giving everyone Auto-Life and eating Nemesis attacks ehile in OG version you could just Quick Attack spam and Wakka's limit and have Yuna call aeons to take the damage from Nemesis turn.

>>720102123
Wrong your.

>>720075572
how are you supposed to beat them without Youjimbo?

>>720103881
All dark aeons can be beaten without Yojimbo's Zanmato. Same goes for Penance. You just need to have high stats and use Rikku's Hyper Mighty G that gives all boosts plus Auto-Life to everyone and Wakka's Attack Reels that deal set 12 x max damage if you 2-2-2. Yuna summons to take hits from the enemy

FF has always been linear moviegame trash, they just stopped hiding it with 10.

>>720068040 (OP)
X is probably the best FF i'v ever played perhabs 2nd after VII but what keeps it from truly ascending to a 10/10 is the lack of a fucking navigatable overworld...

tell me again how they breath in the water dome during blitzball?

>>720104784
Here you go, senpai

>>720104915
You know what i meant. Not having an overworld you can walk on is a anti-ff game design pattern.

>>720104784
>>720104915
And if you want to do some fun sidequest exploring, just punch in the passwords or cordinates and we get you there instantly

>>720104889
They just hold their breath.

>>720068040 (OP)
Yeah it's not great. The best part is the side content which X-2 does better.

>>720104889
In FF7 you get 20 minutes to fight Emerald Weapon underwater if you don't have the underwater materia which removes the time limit

>>720104889
>>720105185
In FF5 you get 7 minutes to explore the sunken tower and fight Gogo

>>720069829
Pretty rich coming from the sexless, prude, censor everything generation.

Okay heres the real list of reasons ffx isnt a 10/10

- Weird ass music during the final fight against jekuto
- Dogshit inventory management system + You can't throw away gear?!?!?!?!
- If doublecast kills with the first spell the second one should still target the next enemy instead of just doing nothing
- Rurus overdrive... literally a health hazard
- MC has heterochromia, yuck!
- You can't interact with cats
- In-game text tutorials

>>720068328
nah you tripping bro most soulful art style goes to ff4 literally no competition in sight

>>720085137
GET THIS FILTHY GREASE MONKEY WHORE OFF OF ME AAAAAAHHHHHHH
MY NON ALBED GENES WILL BE TAINTED

>>720105557
>- Dogshit inventory management system + You can't throw away gear?!?!?!?!

If your equipment inventory gets full, the game prompts you to discard something when you pick new equipment. The game expects you to sell your stuff for money. For example the Monster Arena creations drop equipment that sells for more than the battle costs and Omega Dungeon monsters drop armors with 4 empty slots for you to customize your own or sell for high profit

FFX was the first mainline FF without the Main Theme playing at any point.

FF8 was the first mainline FF without the Prelude playing at any point.

I am 100% convinced that the only people who hate X are VII boomers who cant stand being so heavily mogged by an objectively superior game.
>b-b-b-but wheres the boring empty open world to explore!
Midgar fucking sucks in the OG and anyone who tells you otherwise is fucking delusional. The characters are almost entirely 1 note garbage, especially cloud. The gameplay and character building are trash compared to X. The themes are babbies first rebellious media. I cannot honestly believe that anyone unironically and honestly considers VII to be better than X unless they are purely blinded by nostalgia. And its ok if you ARE blinded by nostaglia, but just admit it and stop seething about the better game.

>>720104784
>is the lack of a fucking navigatable overworld...
this is because squenix are retards, they had an entire era if you recall where they simply insisted they could not make cities and towns in 3d, that it was impossible
this same stubborn retardation is what led them to abandoning overworlds, with 500 excuses.

>>720105898
FF8's prelude was hidden in the game over screen https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o1FZ3Tz7dDE

the reality is that

x >= vii

and not

x > vii

>>720104029
>You just need to have high stats and
Everything after "and" here is false. Each dark aeon has a stat threshold you roughly need to meet to take it on, generally this is related to accuracy and then luck in order to be able to even damage them. Other than that, you don't need anything. You do not need to use attack reels, you can just quick hit or normal hit if you like. You don't need hyper mighty g, auto phoenix on armour is generally more than enough, nor do you need summon to tank hits in most scenarios - generally you'll only do this for their overdrives if you don't have auto life.
Remaster also didn't nerf quick hit - and if it did it did not nerf it by enough to matter it is still the most optimal strategy, it was on the remaster version on my last run where i beat all dark aeons and penance without zanmato, and I did so with quick hit

Why is he so fuarking cool, bros?

>>720106207
I can't remember if his broken arm thing was actually broken or he was just faking it

>>720069269
For me it's the Wandering flame.

>>720068040 (OP)
It's ps2babbies' irst game

>>720106128
>>720106227
Quick hit is still good. It simply isn't as good as used to be. Instead of AAA+++ it's just AAA++

>>720106238
He just have it rest on the thing to come off more cool. He can still use it normally. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M-d3qbz5ijc

>>720106278
>ps2babbies'
No one tell him how old the people who had a ps2 as a kid are right now. Because it will probably give the boomer a heart attack.

What is the best and most complere version of FFX to emulate?

>>720106278
I bought my PS2 with money from my first summer job

>>720106356
not sure if this is autism but the seamless transition from 3d battle to 3d scene is so cool

>>720106426
OG Euro PS2 version or International version for Dark Aeons and Penance. The og Jap version caps at Nemesis. Remaster has everything the international version has but some players have problem with music and face animations

I'm going to replay X and do the entire blitzball tournament this time around.
Whar are some things i should look out for aside from learning the Jecht shot?

>>720107002
If you mean the initial story tournament, get Tidus score one or two goals and after Wakka gets in dont let the opponent claim the ball. Keep the ball safe behind your own goal.

For real blitzball recruit Jumal as goalkeeper and consider recruiting some better players than your initial Aurochs. Shaami is good center. The rewards you want from blitzball are Wakka's Attack Reels and Jupiter Sigil and Crest. Save and reset until the tournament rewards are what you want unless you want to spend several matches for shitty rewards. Once you won enough games the Luca bar keeper gives you Wakka's celestial weapon

>>720107225
Thanks.
I once came across a cute bliztball girl that had sleeves like a sea turtle. I'll recruit her as well :)

>>720068040 (OP)
But it has towns and soul

I like how Yoshi P tried to revive the franchise by making an FF game with the most boring ass, generic, medievil game of thrones art direction.

>>720089940
It is but that doesn’t guarantee it’s still releasing. SE has been cancelling a lot of games in development recently.

>>720089940
FF9 Remake was never said to be in development in the first place

>>720108145
it was leaked

>>720108581
Source

>>720108605
https://www.pcgamer.com/nvidia-leaked-games-list-pc/

>>720108834
>2023

>>720107593
this is the only time ff is like this

>>720108997
you don't have a fucking brain

>>720109291
Did you wish for FF9 Remake and did your bias for it make you want to believe the fake leaks?

>>720078286
It's piss-easy in HD with good framerate. I never pulled it off in the original but didn't get zapped even once in the remaster. Same with the butterfly catching, it's a breeze when you can actually SEE where the butterflies are and they're not just two colored pixels floating in a purple swamp

>>720109740
The FPS is capped at 30 mate.

>>720106356
His lack of armpit hair is so disturbing.

>>720110062
Japanese have weird complex about body hair. For example only males who have had sex are allowed to have leg hair. And then we have the whole pubic hair thing.

>>720106356
>35-year-old grandpa

>>720110221
32 years old veteran pilot

We're 30-35 so we can still hang out with teenagers and go on a quest. Don't give up anon, we can all be vidya protagonists.

>>720110661
It's too late for me, I'm 40. I'll just sit here and let you youngsters save the world

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sgtAbaDk-0M

i played this game as a kid and was to retarded to beat it and the skill tree system was complicated

wryk0

I replayed FFX not that long ago as realized that Lulu's tits, considered absolutely massive at the time, are like average for a modern JRPG.

I actually ended up appreciating the female characters for looking like something believable and down to earth.

>>720110974
this was great, the lyrics were very well done

>>720111112
>even manages to fuck up captcha

I can see JRPGs being too hard for you

>>720111228

kek desu i only play wow these days

>>720080247
Kind of

>>720110974
Hang in there Bugenhagen we'll be back.

>>720111325
People complained of course but it was the new final fantasy so whatever. What are you gonna do, not play it?

>>720097263
I did most of that stuff......

>>720111124
They are still big boobs. Just so many jrpgs are using that full anime aesthetic now and they draw ridiculous huge tits there.

>>720068040 (OP)
>"Legendery anon? I was just a shitposter. A shitposter about as new as you, actually. I wanted to change the boards, too. But I changed nothing. That is my story."

>>720068501
if you played previous FF games before FFX then that wasn't the case. FFX was a major step backwards. It sacrificed a lot for 3D visuals and presentation.

I really love how FFX's battle system is deep enough that you can beat the game without leveling up, and a whole bunch of other restrictions. I've been watching this video, and it's about a guy beating the game using only Overdrives (barring forced moments) and avoiding OP stuff.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YU9ZqwPrkSw

I'm sure other FF games have similar challenges, possibly even more extreme than it gets in FFX, but I'm just not as familiar with them.

>>720080247
It was kinda lame the "overworld" was just a list of airship destinations, but each of the places was bigger than the overworlds in the previous games, so it was more than enough running for me

>>720111879
how do you end up as a bigger failure than this dude lmao

>>720112313
Elon Musk? I know he's cringe but is he that big of failure?

>>720068040 (OP)
i played this game when i was 16 but im not that sentimental about it as others are, i remember liking it but thats it. thread like these make me feel as if i missed out on all the soul because i was a horny teenager who couldnt appreciate it

>>720110974
It's kind of funny that people like to joke about how old man characters in Final Fantasy are actually young because Cid from FFVII and Auron from FFX are just in their thirties because before them in the 16-bit era games all of the old men were at least in their 50s.

>>720112434
>be the most powerful man in the world for a few months with access to government documents and spending
>make everybody hate you
>make enemies with the president
>leave to whine at social media
like father like son

>>720112434
the broke tranny with the billionaire father
you literally can't get more pathetic

>>720113070
>living his own life, his own way, without relying on daddy gibs or giving a fuck about what the world thinks
I think you're a lot more pathetic than that

>>720097263
>The endgame is the good part
I completely agree, but while that is great, the game does have too much drawn out bullshit you have to do to get to the interesting things and that marks it down from what would otherwise be the best PS2 RPG (DQ8 beats it for this reason).

>>720113180
Retard. Thats how the world should work, that you inherit whatever your family has.
If this doesnt happen, you have shit parents, and grandparents.

>>720113387
Nta but I disagree. It means more when you make it your fortune yourself instead of it being handed down from your parents. Plus the rich and economy is based on having poorer and less fortunated to exploit to make your own profit so it's only natural rich parents' offspring need to earn their status instead of just being born to it.

>>720112897
It was time for the studio to get with the times. Distaste for OLD in pop culture snowballed throughout the 90s, by 1997 grandpa belonged in the graveyard.

>>720113669
Ofc you disagree, because you are poor, skilless and ugly, and your family tree is made up by retards. I'm sorry if this breaks your underdog narrative in your head.

>>720114594
I doubt you are rich or successful seeing as you spend your time here licking boots of billionaires and nepotism babies

>>720068040 (OP)
So? That's just mean open world or corridor don't really matter if the game is good.

>>720068040 (OP)
>Uses Energy Ray twice in a row
>"Heh, nothing personal, kid."
Seriously though this bitch is kicking my ass

>>720115102
It's mangable if you done some Monster Arena stuff. You can beat it even without the break damage limit. How far you at Monster Arena?

>>720113180
>being a tranny
>getting disowned from your father
>being poor
I take it back, you the person defending this failure is more pathetic than he is.

>>720115469
Would you suck up to Elon Musk if he was your father?

>>720068040 (OP)
it's much more than that

>final seymour
>first turn
>summon Yojimbo
>pay him like 10gils
>Zanmato
>okfag.jpg

>>720115602
>You should be grateful. For your death means your father's life

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8nWHoYXIHeU

>>720115602
One of the most based summons in the franchise

>>720081565
Tidus looked better in his original design by Naora when the game was a new IP called "17| SEVEN TEEN Angelic Impact X Devils Shock" before Nomura redesigned him and before it was repurposed into FFX

>>720115749
I heard this theme 12y after the facts, wondered why it wasn't in the game and that's how i received this little greentext story of mine.

>>720080247
They weren't
It was arguably the biggest complaint about ff10s structure

the real reason it doesn't have one is because ff10 originally wasn't a FF game, it was gonna be a new IP called Seventeen but became FF10 by 1998
It was in development at the same time FF8 was in development and when KH1 was just starting up
FF9 was being made in Hawaii by a different team under Sakaguchi and also originally wasn't guaranteed to be a mainline FF, it was originally proposed as a FF "Gaiden" title
Also FF11 also originally wasn't mainline FF either but became one only because Sakaguchi was obsessed with MMOs and mandate the MMO FF spinoff be a mainline FF instead

FF9, 10 and 11 all got announced on the same day so it's funny how none of them were originally mainline FFs
They were probably just scrambling to have some sort of big gimkick announcement for the millenium and so made 3 completely independent side games into mainline FFs

>>720080601
not really
you can still revist places in ff10 and there are minigames and town areas you visit

ff13 is 10 chapters of non stop corridors, an empty grass field, then 2 more corridor chapter
your cant revist any area before chapter 11, you're only in those locations in the chapter they take place in

>>720115503
you pitiful tranny

>>720116268
I dunno, admitting your willingness to suck up Elon Musk if he was your father is pretty pathetic

>>720116268
your hope ends here!

In FFX-2.5 (novella) Sin comes back, and Tidus dies again by kicking a blitzball that turns out to be a bomb. It explodes, killing him.

>>720116098
This killed FF9. Retarded Sakaguchi. The series truly felt his absence, though.

>>720116476
FFX-2.5 blows my mind with how much it fucks up

>>720116476
Is it true Yuna cheats on Tidus with a shota in that?

My favorites are FF8, FF10 and FF13. I hated FF7 and FF9.

E33 quenched my FF8 thirst but I'm still waiting for the FF10 thirst to be queched.

>>720068040 (OP)
Soulful looking Hallways > Empty Open Worlds

>>720116884
>E33 quenched my FF8 thirst
How? The systems or the story?
I got E33 but still haven't started it. My monitor got some nasty dead pixels and I'll wait until I buy a new one on Black Friday.

>>720116884
>E33 quenched my FF8 thirst
Dd we play the same games?

>>720116476
That's not what happens, nobody here has even read it...

>>720116984
Some individuals have been collecting info about the novella on various message boards [Links may contain spoilers for the novella], with many mentioning that the plot has scenes of an unusually violent, morbid, or sexual nature, which is quite unusual for a story from Square-Enix. Various odd plot points, such as a character being randomly killed by a bomb, have also caused some question.

https://ffx3chat.createaforum.com/general-discussion/~eternal-cost~-french-to-english-translation-47

>>720116476
Weren't Japanese fans even vocally critical of FFX2.5? Which is a weird for them

>>720116942
>>720116973
I don't know man. In "feel". Developers of E33 all have FF8 as their favorite games which is something I only found out about after finishing it, but it made sense to me that they made a FF8 spiritual successor in terms of feeling.

Similar to FF10 having a distinct feeling that is separate from plot or gameplay.

>>720068040 (OP)
>gaynon discovers level design in an RPG is utterly irrelevant
Same reason why TTYD mogs basically every other RPG in existence too even though it has a lot of hallways. Level design doesnt mean jack shit outside of action games and platformers.

>>720085137
sex with grease monkey whores

I like it

For me it's Bikanel Island, particularly around the machina ruins

>>720085137
Do it quick. We're in a hurry, you know...

You did reset until you made the Goers Goners, right?

Such a dumb name for a team.

>>720123252
>watching an unskipable 10 minute cutscene every time
It wasn't until i emulated the game that i did it (save states).
One of the most bizzare design choice any video game can have.

>>720123252
Yes. Never again. The 3 second cutscene was not worth it.

>>720123359
>One of the most bizzare design choice any video game can have.
>game makes it seem like you are about to play blitzball
>throws up the huge rule list
>instead of playing right after reading you have to go save Yuna
>get back and have forgotten all of the rule list by the time you are actually about to play
>have to do one of the most difficult/one sides Blitzball matches in the whole game
I can't blame anyone for hating Blitzball when this is your introduction. Not even giving you an easy practice game before facing the Goers was such a strange move.

>>720116607
what were they thinking with this

>>720123359
>>720123252
>>720123830
It was designed you would lose the finals. They only made it possible to win if you game'd the system. The only reward for it is one (1) Strength Sphere that ups your Strength stats for 4 points. Oh yeah, and the short cutscene of Wakka and Aurochs holding the trophy.

>>720068040 (OP)
>people die and yuna dances

>>720068463
He's a final fantasy

Imagine be mogged by a 16 year old girl.

Pathetic

>>720127764
ugly french whore

>>720125572
yes but why was it designed like this. its retarded

>>720127892
wow. you found an even uglier pic of ugly french whore with an even uglier facial expression. impressive

>>720127910
So that you feel good when you start to play blitzball, start learning skills and your players get better or you hire new players and start dominating it. There would be no suspense or sense of progress if you started as the topdog from the beginning. Why even have the story tournament if it didn't mean anything.

>>720111879
>if you played previous FF games before FFX then that wasn't the case
FF6 is a hallway sim, just because you have airship at the end doesnt make it anything other than
>go to this office building
>walk through the hallways to the end
>do something
>leave

FF7 is a hallway sim. just because you're on a 3d overworld with a few nooks and crannies along the way doesnt mean Midgar > Kalm > Chocobo Ranch > Mythril Mines > Junon > Costa del Sol > Cosmo > Nibel isnt a hallway. All those paths and the paths on disc 3 too are just hallways with optional side quests a long the way.

>>720125572
>It was designed you would lose the finals.
But the finals is the only match the game requires you to do. It feeling nearly impossible and basically forcing you to lose the first attempt isn't exactly a great invitation for more.
On later playthroughs I did play Blitzball and got some enjoyment out of it, but that first introduction just leaves you with a sense of "yeah screw that minigame".

>>720068040 (OP)
babbys first final fantasy.exe

>>720128219
I don't care. I can understand the dramatic conclusion of Wakka leading his team to finals and losing before forfeiting blitzball and commiting to be Yuna's guardian for her pilgrimage

>>720125572
>They only made it possible to win if you game'd the system
It wasn't even hard in the remaster. At least if you learned the Jecth shot on the boat earlier

>>720068040 (OP)
Yeah, people weren't that mad because it was jut Sqaure trying something new with a stale formula. Turns out it sucked and people told them it sucked and XII ended up being totally different. Then they went back to hallways in XIII because people couldn't deal with the MMO style gameplay of XII. Modern FF is just an endless feedback loop of bad decisions.

>>720128110
As much as a dislike VI it's the most open of the bunch and you are basically given no direction in the second half of the game as it is just a cluster of side quests that may or may not involve regaining a character you lost.

>>720068040 (OP)
Getting rid of the overworld was unforgivable. X, X-2, XIII, XIII-2, Lightning Returns her own fucking game to the store because it's so bad, and even XII (which is well written and has a great setting) is guilty of this sin.

XVI is trash.

XV sort of has an overworld, in that it's open world, but they didn't make it as interesting as an overworld.

IX really was the least real Final Fantasy game and I say that as a guy that really likes Tactics and XII (despite XII being guilty of axing the overworld too).

>>720069269
I see the face improvements but the lighting on the characters looks worse in the HD versions.

I'm not even sure the face and texture improvements are a good thing. That was someone's art, whatever you may think of the pixels and polygons. I really just wish remasters were getting the old games onto new hardware - no replacing all the visuals and lighting.

>>720129961
It's not hard if you know what you doing. Those going in blind and first time will not win it.

>>720080680
they should remake 4 again instead

and continue to ignore the people that want a VI remake

they should remake XII but with an open world and with the real time air ships and air ships battles Matsuno planned and with his story and character drafts instead of the stuff they did to ruin his vision

they should also remake IX

>>720083156
leave it to a disgusting western studio to make a lovely young woman look like a middle aged crusty whore.

>>720068040 (OP)
You're right, OP. What we need is more open world shit! Wooooo!!

>>720128110
All those mental gymnastics to defend the world map being a menu now. Ironic that XIII gets so much shit when it's closer to FFX than anything that came after.

>>720128110
when you say hallway you make yourself look like a complete low iq idiot because most people take it as full linear but ff7 is semi linear

>>720069095
Yes sir! I love hallway simulators sir! As a proud Aryan man, I wholeheartedly hate and oppose all Final Fantasy games prior to X. In fact, I think XIII is also a good game, because I am Aryan. We trve Aryan Ubermenschen support linear hallway games because they are the trve incarnation of the Reich. Final Fantasy I through IX? Built for Indians. No sir, I am NOT a thirdie. Give me that hallway.

>>720130419
Does FF12 even need an overworld since you can pretty much walk everywhere zone-by-zone.

>>720130419
XII. You can walk to Adremelech and Necrohol of Nabudis completely on accident. Then there's the fuckhuge desert that connects several maps and that's just off the top of my head. You have no idea what you're talking about or need tiny characters on a map to understand travelling long distance.

>>720130886
Full linear and full open map both suck. Everything else can be good. Giving the player too much direction can be a problem but no direction can be even worse.

>>720069269
Our official way of playing is a Japanese ISO of the American release, with English text, but with Japanese voices, on an emulator, with mods. If you’re not doing it this way, you’re not playing the game as the developers intended.

>>720130225
It always baffles me people call XII's combat MMO combat. Have any of you actually played an MMO? MMOs use tab targeting combat. FFXII's system is real time with pause, like the original Baldur's Gate games or the early Dragon Age games. FFXII even has a tactics (gambit) system like Dragon Age 1 and 2 where you could customize how your party behaved in combat and reacted to it.

I'd say I don't know why people keep insisting it's MMO combat, but I do. Because they heard someone say it, and now they parrot it until the end of time like the insipid little smooth brains they are.

>>720131209
if it exists to be bought then that's the intended way to play.

>>720131049
You can walk from point a to point b in FFX too. Doesn't make it have an overworld or open world. Even Matsuno wanted to do more
>>720131067
But some of you are so unbelievable stupid that even the game's creator's viewpoints on the shortcomings versus what he wanted to do aren't enough to convince you that you're a fucking idiot.

>>720130689
>and continue to ignore the people that want a VI remake
Apparently this is not just an external begging campaign like it was for 7, a lot of SQEX employees internally want to work on 6.

>>720131480
Yeah the post started as a joke and then I slowly realized we're never getting a real VI remake. I'm not counting pixel.

>>720131410
>You can walk from point a to point b in FFX too
Yeah, but in FFX it's entirely a linear path. Point A is where the game starts, B where it ends and everything in between is just a straight line. It's not like FF12's world which is a series of zones connected to each other in a nonlinear fashion.

>>720084464
Wait, QRD on PC being the most popular gaming platform worldwide? I knew the Steam Deck sold way more copies than the Switch, and the PS5/Xbox basically being defunct, but it is really that bad for console peasants? PC really is the master race. There’s no reason why people would want to play this game on a console or handheld since everyone has a PC.

>>720131608
Even Matsuno didn't find what you're saying convincing. He didn't like the limitation. He considered it bad. Because it is. He wanted an open area he could actually do the airships in and have airship combat. The zones are not a replacement for an overworld or anything players actually want. Again, even the creator wasn't happy with it - the system restrictions kept him from doing the thing he wanted to do that he thought would actually be good.

You should read up on XII's dev history, XII's pretty well documented. The system's limitations were working against the creator, fine, I can deal with that, but Squenix themselves were fucking Matsuno over on top of that. If he'd actually had the company supporting his vision who knows what FXII might have been.

Even other senior creators at Squenix said that what happened to XII after Matsuno left made them unable to play XII knowing it wasn't what Matsuno wanted. A real divide between Squenix's elder creators and their business people, because the business heads seemed to really enjoy telling Matsuno his ideas weren't marketable and that he needed to add in their terrible shit instead.

>>720084464
Most people don't emulate, or even know where to begin. I'm not joking.

Omega Ruins was the only good dungeon

>>720132067
The issue is that every console requires a separate emulator and BIOS files. Then you have to download the 4GB+ ROM. Not to mention you need to already have a PC, which may cost anywhere from $200 to over $1,000. Then you need to fiddle with the settings, because otherwise blowing up a 480i game to a modern computer monitor looks bad. Versus a $20 remaster that everyone on 4chan hates but at least the game works.

>>720132000
You're an autistic retard. Just because it wasn't the full scope of Matsuno's vision doesn't mean FFXII wasn't a bunch of interconnected non-linear zones. Speaking with so much authority and elitism doesn't make you superior; it makes you look retarded. Non-linear is non-linear.

>>720132000
If you think Matsuno's vision would have been achieved by "JUST ADD AN OVERWORLD" then you are extremely short-sighted and have no business critiquing game design.

>>720131579
Hard to say, not sure what Square's output is supposed to look like after they're done restructuring.

>>720132746
I wasn't speaking in such a way. You just felt that way because deep down you feel smaller than me anon.
>>720132901
The overworld is a way to achieve the desired openness within technical limitations. Obviously it's not as simple as adding an overworld, but an overo world is a step toward making the world feel larger.

>>720133749
My mum wouldn't let me get x-2 because of Yuna's ass

>>720132409
>This
I've been emulating since zsnes could just about make it through smw with major graphical and sound issues and even still when an emulator shits the bed with a cryptic error concerning bios files and no one on the internet wants to tell you what the names of the files are or where they go, it's really fucking demoralising.
"Don't ask for bios files, we don't support piracy, tee hee!" Fuck off. I'm not asking you for files, I'm asking where your shitty emulator is LOOKING for the files. At least retroarch eventually added metadata to the cores so you can find the buried "core info' option and have it tell you what it's trying to do. Before that it used to just crash. People would say "check the logs" but dude, it CRASHED, that file handle was not closed, the log contains the startup, not the "hey, I tried to load bios.rom from %APPDATA%\SomeDicksCore\SYSTEM" like I need.
It's even worse today as it's all zoomer wankers acting superior because they all have a copy of each other's installations they pass around on their tranny discord servers. They won't tell you because they don't fucking know. They traded 100gig of furry porn and the one guy who is friends with the dev hooked them up and that's all they know about it.

it makes no sense to not zanmato the dark aeons.

I don't like it

>>720135728
>it makes no sense to not zanmato the dark aeons.
Doesn't it make them pointless though if you do that? They are end game content. Nothing in the game can survive a dark aeon summon so the only reason to get them is the challenge of getting them. If all you want is the steam achievement, just award it to yourself if you don't want to do the work. What's the point of manipulating the RNG for the instakill if you don't want to play the game?

>>720137659
They're bullshit anyway. The only way to kill them is to grind monster arena for gear that makes it impossible for you to die. So either you "cheat" quickly, or "cheat" slowly. But neither is actually cheating because they're using the tools the game gives you

>>720133749
Yum

>>720133749
>>720135102
if only this game was better

>>720115503
yeah, he's fucking rich. that's what rich parents are for.

>>720135728
>>720137659
Isn't there a sigil that if you miss when you go back the only way to get it is to defeat the Dark Aeon is there?

>>720140680
yeah there's the one in Yunelesca's chamber which Bahamut will block if you didn't get it
same for revisiting Besaid or Macalania temple should you want to return if you missed any destruction sphere chests

>>720139836
Auto-Life and Auto-Phoenix exist. Auto-Life is in the sphere grid and Rikku's Mix Hyper Mighty G bestows it to everyone along with other status buffs. Auto-Phoenix is cheap to customize to armor with bribe to get the ingredients. Some Dark Aeons tequire Stoneproof/Deathproof or Ribbon but Ribbon is very expensive to produce needing 99 Dark Matters but Ribbon doesn't protect ftom insta-kills.

The Monster Arena starts slow but you very quickly make progress and Area and Species conquests start as stonewall but quickly become cake walk. Also here's tip: you don't need Break HP Limit.

>>720106356
Before he took his arm out in this cutscene, I always thought he had a gimp arm

What went wrong with Final Fantasy after 10?

>>720105643
Is there some sort of context with these images? This is some supreme oldfag shit at this point

>>720141885
I liked 13, 15 isn’t bad either honestly..

>>720141885
It became all about looks

>>720099134
that's really cool anon.
>>720111623
good. I would like to hear your opinion on it. I thought that the crafting system was really interesting as I had never had to chase monster drops like that before. On subsequent playthroughs I was pretty let down by how little it affects the gameplay. You simply don't have enough materials until after Yunalesca and some grinding.
>>720113223
I don't know I looked at it as something to do while I waited 2-3 years for the next title. But I guess I know what you mean by that.

>>720141885
A literal entire decade wasted on the fabluva nova crystalis project followed by another decade spent recovering from that disaster.

>>720141885
nothing went wrong until Lightning Returns. 13 is decent if you're 15 with nothing else to do. 13-2 is one of my all time favorite rpg combat systems.

>>720142996
I mean how often do you expect them to churn out entirely new worlds, new stories with new gameplay?

>>720143167
they did it every 2 years for 15 years. Something changed.

>>720141634
Nigga, I can read guides too

>>720068040 (OP)
>considered one of the most kino games ever
by retards maybe

>>720143232
I'm actually playing it right now. Been grinding Nemesis. Gonna tackle the Dark Aeons next, not using Zanmato

>>720143167
If they're going to spend 10 years on development they should really try to make the final product not a huge piece of shit.

>>720143519
Did you even play it?

>>720141885
Management switchup lead to very messy development cycles. Otherwise they have been doing what they did in the years before, attempt to innovate FF in some kind of way every time.

>>720143167
they do not need new gameplay, 4-9 were basically all just new systems with the core gameplay having very minute changes to accommodate them. But after 9 every mainline game was suddenly a completely different game with a system designed after the fact, to the point where most of them are complete horseshit

>>720144243
The hell are you talking about? The only real difference between X and the preceding games is that the summons stuck around and the job system was left more open-ended with the sphere grid.

>>720144243
Hasn't the combat pretty much just been the stagger system since 13?

>>720075152
In the jecht spheres you can see that Auron humbled him quite a bit during the pilgrimage.

>>720131209
you're retarded

>>720144791
Auron could not stand Jecht in those videos

I did not like a single one of the rearrangements osf the OST. Especially the Seymour fight inside sin was absolutely butchered.

There's a mod to bring back the original faces btw.

>>720146238
I haven't listened to the full remastered ost but "a fleeting dream" seemed to be missing some punch

>>720146397
They all sound flat as fuck. The bass and drums sounds like they forgot to add them to the final mix

>>720146539
Yeah, it's sucks because the original ost is so good. At least in the remaster you have the option of just using the original ost

>>720069570
Your mom's pussy is a hallway simulator

>>720142992
>I would like to hear your opinion on it.
It's been a number of years and I've finished FFX a number of times so they kind of blur together. I always got all of the summons and maybe half of the weapons with damage break. I did try the mini-games to unlock damage break for all of them, but found it such a pain in the ass and couldn't do it. I always did most of the arena and leveled up a decent amount because I don't remember the Final Bosses ever being difficult in any playthrough. One of these days I should fight Jecht at the intended party strength. I don't think I beat Ultima Weapon, but I did pretty much everything else at the arena. No dark aeons in my version. Out of all Final Fantasy's, X is one of the few that I meaningfully either attempted or completed side-end-game. I do agree that the end-game stuff shouldn't be skipped and adds a ton to the game. The only other FF that I've meaningfully tried the end-game content which also had a decent amount is FFIV Complete Collection (I think I actually did everything in that one because it wasn't too hard). I've been in a more completionist mindset lately so if I felt like playing FFX again maybe I'd finally do it all.

Lulu's Lulus

https://noclip.website/#ffx/0d2;ShareData=AB36RUc3)IS-8]yT@tH7U-W}|Qo+Q]UhJC48u|k2VG~5g8)?FtTi=;?Uv2_uVS
FFX.....home

>>720148563
>oddly silly music intensifies

>>720148563
>you can click on the chests to open them
Nice

I love ancient technological ruins in games

>>720148563
>noclip now renders Besaid's waterfalls
Holy shit

>>720116678
He cheats on him with a geezer in it. It's X -Will-, that introduces the young guy she's threatening to cheat on him with in X-3, when it releases.

>>720068040 (OP)
You're talking to the generation that grew up with it. 15 years ago it wasn't anywhere nearly as liked.

>>720149403
that site hasn't updated in years. where are the new games to look around? I see the same titles.

for me it's the calm lands

>>720149983
>15 years ago it wasn't anywhere nearly as liked.
It was sure liked a lot more than X-2, XI, XII, and XIII. Still one of the better combat systems in the series too.

>>720097263
Isn't the endgame very grindy?

>>720147093
I also didn't have dark aeons in my version and tried going back to the game once a few years ago. I couldn't get very far past the main story, it's just so much to do over again for a small payoff. Will always love the game but doing it all was really just a one time thing for me.

I think Rikku and Wakka would've been a cute couple

>>720148552
Why does she have a watermelon?

>>720069654
Love the aesthetic
I still think Bevelle was wasted potential, wanted to explore that place so badly

>>720068797
one of the goat vidya tracks. this shit is magical

>>720127892
What WEG is she from?

>>720135102
mine bought me it on release with the strategy guide when I was 11. Sadly I started the game with them in the room so they must've thought I was a fag after the intro
still jerked it to the strategy guide at least 500 times

>>720152849
Wakka doesn't want anything to do with Al Bhed

>>720154663
never ask a white supremacist what race his gf is, anon

>>720152849
Rikku's bikini is somehow less revealing than her regular outfit

jecht was cool and i wish he was in your party dunking on tidus the whole entire game

>>720154978
He would fuck Yuna just to mess with Tidus

>>720068040 (OP)
hallways good. let's go back to hallways. there has never been a good open world game

>>720068040 (OP)
If there were two things old square enix was good at, it was hyping the shit out of the next FF game, and pushing the ps1/2 to their limits both sound and graphics wise.
And being the first FF game on the still new ps2 system, they could have shit in a bag, slapped tidus's face on it, and still would have sold bonkers.

It's still a gorgeous ps2 game.
It's not a particularly GOOD game, the plot and story are vapid, the sphere grid is mostly pointless, but it's pretty back when being a pretty game was a revolution of modern games.

>>720155456
Open World becomes hallways on the second play through anyway

I look and act like this

>>720141885
none of the anons have said it but all the stories from mmos I dont give a shit about but from 11 to 16 all the stories have been shit

>>720149983
was so liked 5mil brought ffx-2

>>720069269
bro every single remaster breaks the lighting. i swear.

That intro cinematic though.

>>720068040 (OP)
>turd based combat

>>720157712
Was she somebody important or just some character they introduced?

>>720158582
Just some character they introduced. They said they would've had Lulu but since she feels like an older sister characrer for Yuna they didn't use her, wanting Yuna to feel all grown up and going out on her own

>>720131270
>if it exists to be bought then that's the intended way to play.
lol bootlicker mentality

>>720068501
>fun battles
>battles boil down to switching to the character you need to one shot a monster, 1 area has the same set of monsters showing up every time
>fun battles

>>720158401
>Opens in the Zanarkand Blitzball arena with Otherworld playing
>Ends fighting Jecht in the collapsed Zanarkand Blitzball arena with Otherworld playing
Pottery

>>720158825
All grown up and bought some guns

>>720155309
I feel like he would respect Braska a little more than that, but maybe he falls back to being a drunk

>>720146339
Hm. B

>>720157712
Goddess.

>>720086536
>People die and Yuna dances

>>720151246
FFX was only accepted as the last good FF a couple years ago. That's the important point.
Before that, it was the first bad FF. Cancer only liked by tasteless idiots.

Maybe more than a couple years ago. Some years ago, like 5.

>>720158474
>kino based combat

>>720160627
>Before that, it was the first bad FF.
We revising history again? The game sold over 10 million copies on PS2, which is an insane amount for that era.

>>720157712
>>720160218

>a bump limit?
>so soon?
>allow me to say something to the last anon before this thread archives
>hihihihihi
>yours was truly a gallant thread
>they posted replies at me, to bump the thread
>one after another
>hihihihihihi

>>720130419
ff type0 is the last ff with a traditional ff world map like 1-9
15s world is the closest thing to it since and honestly is more interesting than any world map in any ff

>>720142996
you mean yoshitpiss hijacking the ff brand after 15 saved ff from 14 killing ff

>>720162582
FF15 has the best implementation of chocobo riding i'll give you that. It's plain fun to ride the birds in that game.

>>720068697
FFX should have been what FFXV was; Jecht, Auron, and Yuna's father who's name escapes me. When X-2 exists, would couldn't we get an X-3 to expand on Jecht? maybe an SoP game featuring Jecht?

>>720163719
Oh Braska