Thread 720087871

how excited are you for the eventual MGS2 remake?

>>720087871 (OP)
Pretty excited, I don't think there's another game in Hideo Kojima's lineup that could fail.

Not excited at all. Give me 4

>>720087871 (OP)
Next remake will be either PO or PW because they go chronologically after MGS3

>>720087871 (OP)
It'd be really funny to see inept modern Konami attempt to make a skateboarding game with any actual physics.

will they show the pit hair?

>>720088207
theyre not remaking PW and definitely not PO. dont be retarded

I would like a remake of a game that sorely needs it rather than one that doesn't

>>720088224
the one they made back then was completely unplayable dogshit

>>720088304
They need to sell Master Collection Vol. 2 and it can't have MGSV. And we know what happened after Vol. 1 was announced

>>720088408
>They need to sell Master Collection Vol. 2
Right, which is what 4 is for.

>>720088478
4 doesn't need a remake that much, what it needs is porting onto other platforms. Which can be done without remaking it

>>720087871 (OP)
0

>>720088604
Imagine if Konami manages to fuck up a PS3 port lmao

>>720087871 (OP)
We will get MGS V remake next.
>But that doesnt make se-
It doesn't have to

>>720088870
On Unreal Engine 5 as well

>>720088327
I wouldn't say MG1 "needs" it, or would even benefit from it. Remaking MG1 would be impetus for Konami to do something creative though, assuming it took after the later MGS games in style.

>>720089021
None of the games need it per se, but MG1 would by far be the most interesting. A lot of Metal Gear Solid fans haven't played it too

>>720087871 (OP)
I hate Jewnami with passion, UE5 is an absolute cancer, and every single modern de-make has been the rock-bottom garbage for dung eaters.

>>720087871 (OP)
>Bring back the Rosemary tutorial upon starting the game
>Skateboarding mode
>Fix the shaver unlock for Snake that the HD versions fucked up
>Sword usable in NG+
>Coolant can fog up mirrors
>Restore Colonel AI MGS1/Ghost Babel sprite portraits during the freakout section
>Split Plant chapter into two campaigns, Solid Snake and Raiden
>All codec conversations that happen between two characters who are right in front of each other should be converted into cutscenes
>Fix metal floor sound effect glitch
>Grenade delay fix
>Meiling model during Otacon proverb codec call
>Extended Tanker with escape sequence and Harrier fight on the George Washington bridge
>Chinaman and Oldboy bosses for Solid Snake campaign
>Vamp genderswap
>Bring back Liquid properly, no Ocelot arm
>Shell 2 struts restored (biochem lab, power plant, assembly facility, warehouse, oil processing facility, effluent processing facility)
>Turn Strut D back into a Command Room with an aquarium, with the cut submarine minigame where you could explore the ocean floor
>Bring back Doc codec contact and retroactively make him Doktor from MGR
>Bring back Maxime codec contact who explains your radar
>Restore Arsenal Gear NYC crash scene, subsequent Snake gameplay section sneaking through Manhattan looking for Liquid, and the US flag atop Federal Hall

>>720087871 (OP)
I genuinely never replayed this game because I couldnt play as snake…

>>720091181
>That character model
Gross.

Also Substance has Snake Tales.

>>720091062
Unbelievably based even if they do half that.

>>720091062
This reminds me of all the shit people thought they might add to Delta and that they in fact did not add to Delta.

Remaster/Port, MGS4 desperately needs to escape the PS3.
Full on REMAKE, MG1 or MGS1

>>720091062
>Bring back the Rosemary tutorial upon starting the game
What?

>>720091285
Literally looks the same

>>720087871 (OP)
Surprisingly enough, I'm not actually excited at all for the announcement of a game that's already been out for 25 years.

>>720088604
You're never getting ports again.
remaster is a cheat word that allows them to charge full price while putting in minimal effort and ruining the art direction.

>>720087871 (OP)
If you're excited for any kind of remake you're a retarded zoomergroid

>>720091631
That is NOT Solid Snake!

>>720088803
Such a high profile game being trapped on the PS3 suggests to me that its code is absolutely fucked and way too hardware specific. Then again, Kojimbo was forced out before the PS3 was totally dead, so there was never a person to really champion a port as necessary.

>>720091597
https://www.youtube.com/watch?&v=Kux4tNqfL-I

Fun fact, Rosemary is voiced by Kikuko Inoue in Japanese. She also voiced Karen Hojo in Policenauts and did the intro tutorial narration in that game as well.

Fuck remakes, just put all MGS games on PC.

>>720092012
The new emulators got it running pretty well so even if it's fucked, we at least know that its possible

>>720092012
You know the wizards that program MGS4 for the PS3 left Konami and work for Kojima.

>>720092530
>work for Kojima
lol no

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DQHZeCjVGIY
for those who want MGS4 on pc

>>720092012
99% it's the licensing shit not being seen as worth it

>>720092012
It's just a laundry list of licensing hell
>Havok (ingrained into the code)
>PhysX (ingrained into the code)
>Apple (iPod item and associated codec dialogue)
>Regain (item and associated codec dialogue)
>Ubisoft (Assassin's Creed outfit)
>Sony (Blu-ray codec call trademark)
>Pony Canyon (Oishii Two Han Densetsu and several other songs)

All these costs on top of the porting budget. At that point a remake is 100% going to be cheaper to do.

2 is really tightly built around its limitations, it's an arcadey overhead game and fits that to a tee. every environment is a compact stealth maze built around limited enemy line of sight. there's not alot in the way of obvious improvements that could be made without entirely turning it into something else. ironically mgs3's quasi modern stealth gameplay makes a lot more sense because you can insert mgsv or whatever without completely savaging the original design.

>>720093583
Thank you so fucking much for saying this. Seems like no one understand why 3 was selected for this remake project. 1 and 2 would have to be entirely rebuilt akin to the new FFVII remakes.

>>720093583
>without entirely turning it into something else
That's exactly what you're going to get

Does anyone actually want MGS1 and 2 on Unreal Engine and that's the only change? Those games would be cool to play in the MGSV style

>>720093873
fat chance, konami is too cheap for that.

>>720093583
This is why I never wanted remakes of the MSX games, because I knew what it would entail. I actually think remakes that brought them in line with Ghost Babel would be cool as fuck and make the games more balanced and not less, but that's never going to happen. The only time that would have been feasible is 20 years ago.

>>720094815
I mean at this point they wouldn't actually do remakes of those games, they'd just use big boss outerheaven, gray fox, and young snake as a loose story premise for an entirely new game.

>>720094992
And it would be a disaster.

>>720091062
Based, but none of this will happen.

I'd only want a remake if it fixes this retard's translation fuckups.

>>720091062
>Split Plant chapter into two campaigns, Solid Snake and Raiden

Didn't substance rerelease have "snake tales" where you play through the events as snake? It was really half assed though and had no cutscenes. But having a fully fledged snake campaign in the game is literally the best idea you can have for MGS2. Doesn't he fight fortune off screen? I guess it would be hard to come up with more boss fights though

>>720088047
>>720088207
Agreed it should either be PW, or 4. Two games that could use it. 2 is already perfect.

>>720095810
You could just pepper in Snake/Otacon segments in there not necessarily a full fledged game like Raiden. Although I’m sure you could have him fight Vamp and it’s cool. You fly the chopper while your friend plays raiden down below, kek would be kinda sick

What would she look like

>>720096040
Why would 4 need a remake? All it needs is a pc port and it could pass as a game from like 5 years ago

In retrospect solidus was a terrible villain. I get that alot of people stand by mgs2 but man kojimas obsession with having a fake big boss in every game got ridiculous.

>>720095810
Snake Tales are completely unrelated gameplay sections thay reuse cut content from the game.
Meryl appears and the final mission is multiverse slop in wich Mei Ling is Solidus' wife.

>>720087871 (OP)
If Konami is going the same route as Capcom they’ll keep remaking their most famous titles until one strikes gold, you’re getting Castlevania: Symphony of the Night Unreal Engine Remake and you’re gonna like it

>>720091928
His raw materials are vintage, brother. Big Boss was in his late 50s when they created his copies.

boomer anons, what was it like when mgs2 came out originally? i cant imagine such a giant leap in graphics. was that like the y2k version of RDR2?

>>720095264
You are a doomer faggot.

>>720095734
Explain. What did she mess up? Who is she?

>>720097224
see for yourself https://youtu.be/Mr6RngfAeMY

>>720097457
It's the truth.

>>720096481
>>720097117
I can not blame Otocon for his uh... disposition.

>>720096481
I wanna see her thighs in UE5

>>720097224
Every early PS2 game was treated with amazement. The PS2 and Dreamcast era was incredibly hype. The footage of Sonic Adventure blew our minds, the footage of GTA3 and FFX being massive upgrades blew our minds. And MGS2 looking so insane made Zone of the Enders a top seller just because we were willing to pay full price for that demo.

We'll never get a jump like that again. It was a special time seeing all the PS1 greats evolve into these amazing spectacles.

>>720096040
Snake should fight Oldboy and Chinaman in his version of the Plant chapter. Those bosses would be much more interesting than fighting 3 versions of Vamp.

Btw splitting Plant into Raiden/Snake could fix the problem of MGS2 being too short for a full priced remake. They could treat it like RE2 remake with the separate campaigns and squeeze out a ton of replayability.

>>720096717
Well, it's MGS1's fault that Solidus exists. I like Solidus though, goofy backstory with Raiden aside. He's a cruel dick in a different way from Liquid and Big Boss. He doesn't really get any good interactions with Solid Snake but that's alright I guess.

Fuck that choke on anything above normal, though. That shit is awful.

>>720094515
With new maps yes

>>720097595
Otacon wasn't into her at all. It was completely one sided. Otacon was too busy banging her mom

>>720094515
No. I never wanted Konami to hire that man. I was apathetic about Delta.

>>720094689
They spent the money on repurchasing Ape Escape, Calorie Mate licenses + paid Platinum to make a new Guy Savage specifically for 3 Delta. Konami will do the same thing for the other games, Metal Gear is one of their three biggest franchises along with Silent Hill and Castlevania.

>>720097741
Solidus just gets disrespected in MGS2 and MGS4. His whole masterplan in 2 is revealed to just be pretend as Ocelot laughs at him, and MGS4 he's just a Big Boss decoy that gets burned alive and used for parts for the real Big Boss

Liquid meanwhile appears in every numbered game except for 3 (yeah I know he's a fake in 4 but come on it's still Liquid) and always gets treated with respect.

>>720097757
Such a bizarre plot point. I love MGS2 but the whole soap opera shit with Otacon and Emma is bottom of the barrel -- Johnny's barrel, even.

>>720091062
>>Bring back Maxime codec contact who explains your radar
Based knower

>>720091062
Wait so the og ps2 is the definitive version of the game?

>>720098158
No. The PS2 Substance version is the definitive edition. The HD ports cut stuff.

>>720098158
Yes
>>720098390
No

Putting aside the extra missions, Substance on PS2 added a lot of problems to the campaign that the HD versions just exacerbated. Sons of the Liberty for PS2 is the best way to play MGS2 right now in 2025. https://youtu.be/TF9WYeuDZWA

favorite Snake look?

>>720097224
It was awesome. Being captivated by visuals back then was really really easy, it just looked fucking crazy, the jump in visuals from the late 90s to the early 2000s was something I'll never forget, even if graphics aren't everything. It wasn't until the mid 2000s I even knew about the hate Raiden got. My brother, cousins and myself didn't really care that much that Raiden's part was longer, we would just replay the Tanker chapter mostly, and would say Raiden was gay or faggy or whatever in a sort of throwaway way. We still loved it, and there was new shit around every corner back then to even give a shit about the "Bait and Switch". Hell we had Halo and Luigi's Mansion to play I think around the same time. MGS3 was out 3 years later so if we wanted more Snake we got him super quick. It's insane to think there was only a 6 year gap between MGS1 to MGS3

>>720099027
Acid 1

>>720099027
This one.

I don't know why but he looks so handsome, kinda like an HD Kyle Hyde.

>>720087871 (OP)
MGS2 is a story all about how nothing of the story makes sense, and fans lap it up because they say "oh, it's intentional nonsense!"

https://youtu.be/chmmRrtq5lo?si=ruLf-rveFfAhLuMg

>>720099258
>retarded brainlet take

>>720099027
These renders in general >>720091285

They just look right to me. I can imagine every Snake with those features and it feels right. If you're asking for a specific design, it would have to be MGS1's/Ghost Babel's. I like that suit, though it makes more sense for MGS1 than GB given the vest.

is it bad that i wanna have sex with sunny

Bros, always remember.
We're not tools of the government, or anything else. Gaming was the only thing, the only thing I was good at. But at least I always gamed for what I believed in.

George...

https://youtu.be/dKooj0UNuB0
>tfw this was the last recorded dialogue Solidus' voice actor ever did

Dammit bros if only he could have recorded new lines for MGS2Δ

>>720099326
Y'know, if you wanted to be taken seriously, maybe you should actually come up with an argument rather than an assertion.

>>720099858
It's an interesting video but it doesn't make any fucking sense in terms of the timeline.

>>720099928
How so? It's Raiden in the Liberian war learning his daddy's craft first hand. There's no real retcon in the trailer.

>>720098561
Substance didn't add any problems to the campaign besides letting you start from the Plant section if you wanted to.

Teliko was the best girl in Metal Gear and it's a shame nobody knows her.

>>720100052
Solidus was a teenager, for one.

>>720087871 (OP)
Not at all. It's just a remake and I don't see how anyone can get excited for those at this point. I'm much more interesting in how they are going to continue this series with new games.

>>720100130
Alice is hot too

>>720099258
That's not what the story is about though.

>>720087871 (OP)
I'm anti-excited

>>720088304
It's gonna be PO combined with PW, and they'll just name it Peace Walker since Portable Ops isn't a good name.

>>720087871 (OP)
Why not Metal Gear 1 & 2 remake? those are the ones that really need some love

>>720100467
>That's not what the story is about though.
Subtext doesn't matter when the text is gibberish.

>>720100067
Absolutely not. Did you even watch the video I linked?
>Lower resolution texture for Snake's face, with a noticable degrade in his beard texture
>No laser sight from aiming the M9A1
>Colonel AI had MGS1/Ghost Babel sprites during the Arsenal Gear calls were removed
>Shaver was no longer obtainable in any difficulty except for Hard, and it didn't affect Snake's appearance in anything but the codec calls (it's normally meant to remove his beard in the cutscenes as well)
>Coolant no longer fogs up mirrors
>Reduced rain effects during the Tanker chapter
>Metal Gear Ray textures are fucked up and don't show the serial numbers
>Metal floors no longer make the correct sound when walking over them
>No more blood stains when you shoot the limbs on enemies

A lot of these problems originate from the backporting process from the Xbox version. Substance was originally released for Xbox and when they decided to bring it back to PS2 a lot of glitches came out of that conversion.

All Substance was good for was VR missions, Snake Tales and Casting Theater (this one was already included in the EU/JP versions of Sons of Liberty) and you can get all that shit in the HD versions anyway, so there's actually no reason at all to own Substance on PS2. Only Sons of Liberty (and preferably the JP/EU versions at that) and a digital copy of any of the HD/MC versions for the extras.

>>720091631
This looks like a weg featuring Snake

>>720100772
xbox was the better version it had skateboarding and better graphics.

>>720100762
That's not the subtext though, the text itself is very clear. The ending spends like 20+ minutes explaining it very clearly and plainly.

>>720100282
He had accelerated aging, so he probably appeared to be in his late 20s physically at the time.

>>720100772
I hated the Snake Tales. They sucked.

>>720100997
Maybe, but I'm not sure that rate lines up with his age in MGS2. Moreover, accelerated aging isn't the same thing as accelerated growth and there's no real reason to think his aging process was that different from Solid's -- it just hit him earlier and perhaps was a little slower.

Keep in mind, Raiden was part of a child soldier unit. A teenager like Solidus would have been a perfect fit to command it.

>>720087871 (OP)
>solidus sword fight in the MGS4 style with CQC counters just like in delta

gimme

>>720094515
they cant remake MG1 and MG2 into a single game
the map of MG1 is bigger than mgs,mgs2,mgs3 and mgs4 combined

and MG2 is bigger than that by a HUGE margin

>>720087871 (OP)
I simultaneously want them to make changes to fix the original and also not change anything so either way I'd be unhappy so no

Not much.
MGS3 worked for a remake because it had fairly open areas that could accommodate modern game design, the base game already ran like dogshit and it was crying for crouched walking and more streamlined camo switching.

Meanwhile 2 has always had lubed buttery smooth gameplay with carefully designed corridors, combining the remnants of the arcadey design of old with the hottest new technology available them. I also severely doubt UE5 and nu Konami will be able to replicate all the little TECHNOLOGY details from the original.

>>720099258
>1:30
Sorry senpai, I ain't listening to your plot summary.

>>720100772
I get so frustrated when there's several versions of a game with various differences.

>>720091062
Add a shark boss

>>720100130
>>720100463
non-canon girls best girls

>>720104684
based

>>720104684
>You're not a psychic, you just knew the facility layout from the blueprints
>actually is a psychic

>>720091736
What do you think Vol. 1 was? They will port it AND remake it, just not right now

>>720100772
Wait, so all these issues that people attribute to the HD collection actually originate from Substance?

>>720109806
Not everything. The HD versions carried over all of the problems from the PS2 Substance, but they also introduced their own slew of problems. The 2023 MC version fully updated does fix a handful of things but ultimately it's not the ideal version of the game at all.

Play the MGS2 Sons of Liberty (E) iso on PCSX2 if you want a perfect first experience, assuming you've never played these games before. That will give you literally everything except for the extras.

If you liked the game on PCSX2 you can go ahead and grab the 2023 MC port on Steam/pirate it, and you can do a subsequent playthrough on it for achievements. HD is good as a secondary version of the game basically, after you've experienced the PS2 Sons of Liberty European version.

>Quinton Flynn was recast as Raiden for the few joke scenes he had in the MGS3 remake
Not very excited.

>>720091062
>implying konami will re-hire all the expensive voice actors to please a few nerds

>>720096672
ew

>>720097901
whenever people hail kojima as a visionary game director I remind them of the triple incest of mgs2

>>720091062
>people still expecting Konami to do anything original after just getting the bare minimum with Delta