Thread 720100829

Hollow Knight: Silksong Sparks Debate About Difficulty, Runbacks, and the Dreaded 'Git Gud' Comments

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>>720100829 (OP)
Man, people are acting like Silksong is suddenly Dark Souls just because Hornet moves faster and the enemies hit harder. Hollow Knight was never easy to begin with. You had to learn boss patterns, time your heals, and yeah-git gud. The runbacks are frustrating, sure, but it's part of that risk/reward tension that keeps the fights engaging. Don't want a runback? Then don’t die. It's not a bug, it’s a feature.

>>720100829 (OP)
I'm convinced none of those "expressing criticism" have ever played a super nintendo game if they think Silksong is uniquely challenging or unfair.

>>720100829 (OP)
Did people really find that green bee hard? I feel like that should be pretty easy for anyone who's played a platformer before

>>720101401
the people complaining about the difficulty haven't played Hollow Knight
it's just people jumping on the latest popular thing and complaining that it's not a 5 hour long movie game where you press A from time to time

>journos find another excuse to complain about difficulty
silksong is unironically on the verge of filtering me due to difficulty and that's ok

>>720101607
It's not the green bee but Skarrgard, the red ant that guards the entrance to their nest
Kinda understandable desu. I didn't have dash by the time I fought him and did die multiple times, but at least this reminded me to not be an asshole and actually watch my spacing

>>720101607
>pretty easy for anyone who's played a platformer before
Anon, most Hollow Knight fans haven't even played Hollow Knight.

>Silksong helping people realize they don't really like platformers
yeah there's a reason they're a relatively small game genre these days. They're a genre that irritate the hell out of the player.

>>720101732
>it's just people jumping on the latest popular thing and complaining that it's not a 5 hour long movie game where you press A from time to time
It's exactly this. A bunch of women thought "oh cute bug girl game, how fun!" and got their asses handed to them and are now throwing bitch-fits that it's not a walking simulator. The same thing happened with Elden Ring and after a while the normies got filtered out.

>>720100829 (OP)
it's only hard in the beginning when you don't have any tools
once you have a full kit, things start becoming much easier

>>720101401
Aside from Hollow Knight, Radiance, the Dream bosses, and Pantheon nothing in the game needed 30 minutes or hours of attempts. Every boss in Silksong is pure bullshit with perfect tracking and double damage.

>>720100829 (OP)
>bro this game is so ha-
OH REALLY...

>>720101732
It really is this. The only people who are playing this game at a decent viewership level are the ones who challenged themselves with the original and other platformers. The VAST majority really suck at this game and it is for all the world to see. The game even has a crutch with the Wanderers crest.

>>720102537
It isn't women. It is grown men getting filtered at what they fundamentally think o looks easy and it turns out their reflexes aged like milk.

>>720106654
You genuinely fucking suck if that's your experience. I can count the number of bosses I didn't beat under 5 tries with one hand in silksong so far.

>>720106845
Seriously this shit and the Lion King megadrive game. Aimed at children lol the modern gamer would shit his pants and cry

>>720101732
I played HK and the only special thing I did was the path of pain and SS filtered me.

>paid to be shit at vidya
I want their job.

>>720100829 (OP)
Not every game has to cater to the lowest common denominator

>>720106958
That's nice. The game is still worse than Hollow Knight with tools being color specific and only going in certain slots, the constant path of pain sections, the constant gank rooms, silk requirements for healing and skills being MUCH more than they were in HK.

whining isn't criticism

>>720100829 (OP)
>the game is not for me
>CHANGE YOUR GAME TO BE FOR ME
Not gonna happen. The shitters are a vocal minority. TC made HK1 harder via patches and content updates, not easier. The remaining 90% who love the game are the ones that matter.

>>720108063
They got their money off the hype, they'll never touch the game again.

>>720108190
Don't be retarded. The first game received 3 major free content updates, and they've already announced second will as well.

>>720100829 (OP)
I was going to agree with the haters until I beat the moorwing boss, but now I know what being an elite gamer feels like.

>>720101732
I died more time in ~30 hours playing silksong than I did with 100 hours of Hollow Knight including pantheon 5 all binding runs in godhome and radiant markoth attempts. I have the death counter mod in HK and compared it against my notes for silksong
idk if it was muscle memory, overworld monsters hitting you with 2 damage, the random traps or unfair stuff like bosses suiciding but they really ramped up the bullshit especially in early game, then it turned easy in the middle of act 2

>>720100829 (OP)
Acquire proficiency.

I don't mind the difficulty but did the economy have to be so fucked? I spent my last 90 beads on a bench and there's a stag station that costs 120 right next to it. None of the enemies in the surrounding area even drop beads.

Skill issue. GIT GUD!

Have you considered not being bad at video games?

>>720109887
Beads are no big deal just wait till the Citadel where the crafting resource comes in full fucking force to make you grind.

Honestly if theres one actually BAD mechanic of Silksong its that.

>>720100829 (OP)
I don't like Hollow Knight at all but even I think adding some retard journo mode difficulty would be insulting to people who actually like the game.

>>720114460
I mean even if they dont someone can just youtube the speedrun. It changes nothing

It *CLAP* is *CLAP* too *CLAP* hard!

>>720100829 (OP)
>one very early miniboss
Which one?

>>720101607
Maybe these are the same gaymers who are complaining about DKC and SMB3.

>>720116159
I assume either the beastfly or the big ant dude.

>>720116052
Funny to me that people called that runback hard or even bad. They must have never died in hunters march or even in like Sinners Road in the right part.

>>720116312
>>720116052
It only takes 30 seconds to get back to the boss, do people really feel like 30 seconds is an excessive amount of time now?
Hell, a large portion of AAA games have worse downtime than this between boss attempts just through the loading screen between dying and reloading your save.
If the time it takes to get back to a boss is shorter than the average load time on consoles, I really don't think its that big of a deal.

>>720116724
Considering Elden Ring removed the concept of a runback entirely, from the series that started the trend, it is too much for newer players to excuse.

>Criticism isn't hate
>Says the leftist who thinks any criticism against him is harassment
Why do they do this?

>>720116052
>people unironically complain about a 30 sec runback
>they actually DIE while attempting it, despite not facing any mobs and only having to do basic platforming

>>720117028
A lot of people struggle with spatial reasoning so those bouncing drill things hit them, and sometimes they're just bad and get eaten by a sandworm for 2 damage. Taking damage at all would also be a runback to the bench so they don't start the boss with less than max health. Plus people are frustrated so they just make mistakes on the way back.

Not my problem

I love the game but I legitimately don't understand how they thought the currency systems were fine as they are. After you're done the main game and explored everything you're basically guaranteed to grind for shit to clear out the stores. Why not just put those items in the vendors out where you have to explore in the locations instead of the bursts of currency that you would find in those spots.

>>720101401
LLM-generated post

I sure do like my armed with wings rip off
Mmm
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NIGGA
GOOD!

>>720100829 (OP)
>and the Dreaded 'Git Gud' Comments

>>720117337
i remember some anons saying they were buying it on switch 2 to get some use out of their new console. i hope they're content with their modless purchase.

>>720117337
Imagine being this bad

>>720120654
As cringy as the "you cheated not only the game" guy was, he was still 100% correct. I don't give a shit if anyone cheats, but we all know that you are a lesser being.

>>720117337
the health bar is a legit quality of life improvement to test new shit and because this game enemies are a bunch of sponges

>>720106962
From Duck Tales? That's one of the easier platformers on the NES. Never tried the MD Lion King, but FUCK the SNES one.

>>720120654
>>720120742
Yeah get a job and a family and come back and reply. Then I might take you serious. Probably not, but just saying that to make you feel better about your pathetic life.

>>720121158
>Yeah get a job and a family
>4chan
That will never happen, ego tripping in a single player game is their only form of joy can't even be good at a real difficult games like MP games, because they will have to deal with others players better than them

>>720116950
They change the rules when it suits them, like how a person is bad forever unless it's about them and then suddenly the past doesn't matter shut up.

>>720100829 (OP)
Has Git Gud become bigot-speak yet on the same level as GG Easy to the limp wrested faggot generation?

>>720121074
Duck Tales is not among the hardest NES games but it also isn't among the easiest. It's a bit above average difficulty for NES.

>>720102537
it's not women in ERs case. women would come across the summoning and spirit ashes mechanics and have no qualms about using them. it's guys that get their egos hurt by video games that are raising a stink about difficulty.

>>720102537
>The same thing happened with Elden Ring and after a while the normies got filtered out.
Nah, they just spammed mimic tear or summoned competent friends/players for bosses.

"I'm too retarded to beat a bing bing wahoo game" isn't a criticism thoughever

>>720101401
I think alot of complaints are clearly who beat HK and never went for true ending or did DLC. This definitely feels like a continuation of mechanics that is expected for beating all of HK.

>>720100829 (OP)
If you're complaining about a game being too difficult you're obviously going to get made fun of

>>720120917
What does that even change, and you can already tell how far you are as every boss has 3 phases

>>720100829 (OP)
lol game journos mad that there isnt a game journo mode

LOVE WHEN SHITTERS GET ASS FUCKED IN GAMES AND CRY ABOUT IT

>>720116312
>>720116724
>>720116948
They would have suffered playing the original DeS

>>720116052
Right. That was even slower than when I was doing it too. On the map it looks bad, but actually doing it is very fast. There are MUCH worse runbacks in this game, people just haven't gotten to them yet or are getting filtered

>>720121158
Wouldn't it make more sense to find a game you like that fits your schedule and skill level? fair enough if there are mods readily available, but seems weird when you could just find your own thing.

>>720121732
>>720122067
But mimic tear sucks until max rank.

>>720101401
>Hollow Knight was never easy to begin with
holy self report.

this is how low we let the bar fall? Years of easy games in the PS3/360 era onwards REALLY fucked with the younger milennialls and onwards if fucking hollow knight was "never easy" to them

>>720106654
>bosses deal two damage!
>...so?
>SO, it means theyre unfair
>its unfair that bosses are stronger than regular enemies?
>...Uhm... uh.. well, yeah becaus-
>you think it makes sense for a boss to do the same damage as a literal rat?
>w-well.. when you put it like that...

>>720100829 (OP)
Based OP putting that shit in a pastebin instead of linking directly to clickbait slop

>>720100829 (OP)
>Difficult Fromslop game is ok
>Difficult indieslop isn't
my sides

>>720124121
>Only bosses deal double damage
Tell me you haven't played the game without telling me

>>720121498
Has been since DS3 times.

>>720123976
boss difficulty drops dramatically when the boss has more than just you to target. when ER released people had to use the jellyfish to get past margit.

>>720107184
>That's nice. The game is still worse than Hollow Knight
HOLY SHIT SHUT THE FUCK UP
if you suck this much, the game isnt for you, you skill lacking faggot.
stop lying to pretend it isnt YOU that sucks.
>with tools being color specific and only going in certain slots
its called B A L A N C E similar to HKs charm limit. Cant have them all, anon. 6 charms arent enough for you?
>the constant path of pain sections
skill issue, how DARE a game test your skills!
>the constant gank rooms
skill issue, how DARE a game test your skills!
>silk requirements for healing and skills being MUCH more than they were in HK.
this is a straigt. up. lie.
You heal 3 HP at a time here at base as opposed to HKs 1 mask per heal, Hornet starts with 9 strands of Silk, and its one pip per hit on an enemy (more with certain things)
so it takes 9 hits for 3 HP of healing at base, 8/7/6 if you have the regenerating silk upgrade - one of which is found in the first 2~3 hours, so lets say 8.

HK however took about 1/3rd a bar for 1 HP of healing, which is MORE hits required to heal than silksong per HP because it took more than 3 hits to generate enough soul for 1 HP.

So silksong at BASE is easier, and gets easier per regenerating silk upgrade AND silk gather upgrade.

>>720120197
Acquire Ability
Bag Bent
Capture Capability
Develop Deftness
Evoke Expertise
Find Finesse

Have Handiness
Inherit Ingenuity
Jostle Judgment
Knot Knack
Learn Lucidity
Mooch Mastery
Nail Nimbleness
Obtain Organization
Procure Prowess
Quarter Qualification
Requisition Resourcefulness
Snag Skill
Tag Talent
Undertake Understanding
Vouchsafe Vigor
Wrest Wile
Xculpate Xcellence
Yoink Yen
Zipper Zest

>>720125082
it's almost complete. we just have to come up with something for G.

>>720100829 (OP)
I think this is a misunderstanding. I do actually hate it tho, hope that clear things up!

>>720101401
Erm pretty sure it's a bug

>>720125172
Garner Gumption

If I only have like 2 hours in hollow knight should I finish that before silksong or does it matter? It was kind of fun to experience seeing the MC of silksong in hollow knight "after" I played around in silksong for a bit before hand. Like, "Oh shit there' she is"

>>720100829 (OP)
>criticism isn't hate
where were these headlines when people were criticizing veilguard or concords design choices?

>>720121158
Let me guess since you cheat because "it's not your problem" I bet you don't even raise your own kids and you are "the dad who stepped up" because it's not your problem to satisfy your wife, right? It's Tyrone's job

>>720101586
They've played them with save states and deluded themselves into thinking that was the intended experience.

>>720101401
Compared to the last game, the runbacks are much faster, especially with the dash. If anything, they encourage the player to traverse the world efficiently. You typically only have to kill at most 1 or 2 enemies (usually persistent fliers in platforming segments), but you can just jump over or bounce off most of them.

>>720117321
Sounds like it's providing them an opportunity to get in some much needed practice.

I think it's good when games are hard.

>>720121158
>Yeah get a job and a family
Neither of these make you bad at video games. Imagine looking your son in the eye and telling him you had to use cheats to beat Silksong. Truly pathetic.

>>720100829 (OP)
Git
Filtered

>>720126625
>I bet you don't even raise your own kids and you are "the dad who stepped up" because it's not your problem to satisfy your wife, right? It's Tyrone's job

>>720101732
The people who complain about a good game's difficulty have zero respect for the integrity of the game and just want to play it to feel included because everyone else is and getting wrecked reminds them of their own inadequacy. Game journos doing it is the most pathetic shit because these people should be good at video games and understand the value in overcoming a challenge.

>>720127305
I thought he was going to make a point about the value of being self-sufficient, I was not expecting that lmao

>>720121158
I already have both, and have had it for a decade. You're just bad.

>>720121158
I have both of these things, work outside of the home, have extracurricular activities for kiddo etc. Try taking responsibility for your own lack of skill.

If your time for playing games is limited, you are doing yourself a disservice by not maximizing the amount of mental stimulation you get out of your playtime

>>720125752
Most people haven't finished Silksong yet, so who knows if there will be any lore bullshit that spoils the story for HK. If you don't care about the story then play whichever, I guess, though most people are saying that Silksong is harder than HK.

>>720100829 (OP)
>Criticism Isn't Hate
Internet gave every fucking idiot around the world a megaphone and most of them are hiding behind 'criticism' while spewing retarded bullshit and pretending to be victims of persecution when someone tells them to shut the fuck up.
Look at typical /v/ thread.
90%+ of comments are from complete idiots and imbeciles but most of them already learned that if you're loud enough, authoritative enough and mix in a few buzz words and 'correct' phrases you can pretend to be an expert and dumb masses will often take your side despite your argument being retarded bullshit.
Very few people can do constructive criticism correctly, most will just spew buzzword and vitriol pretending to criticize.

>>720100829 (OP)
fuck me how can a set of devs be so based these days

>>720116052
this is what a entire generation whiout a megaman game does to people
this is just X's gameplay

>>720124584
HK also didn't have almost every enemy deal 2 damage and gave you more health earlier on.

>>720133761
Hollow Knight also had a worse healing move that made each individual point of health matter a lot more. Hornet can throw 3 points back on in the time it takes little ghost to heal 1 and a half, so enemies dealing 1 point are not scary unless they're in a swarm. If you need a single enemy to be threatening to Hornet you need it to do 2. She has effectively infinite health otherwise.