Thread 720135847

Size doesn't always matter mech fags.

>240m
Now what, ace combatant?

>>720135847 (OP)
How come no mecha has ever used a jet a surfboard? No, eureka seven doesn't count.

>>720136135
For some reason AC fans (expect for me) can't stand that ACs are smaller than Gundams.

>>720136335
Dunno what you're talking about, I've never had this issue with AC.

>>720136307
I though mobile suits in Gundam used something similar that they can ride on.

>>720136379
I should have clarified and said extremely autistic fans have this issue.
Personally I think it's the perfect size.

why can't we use our megazoids hands to pick up and use enemy weapons?

>>720136535
You made this thread just to complain about a small subset of autists?

>>720135847 (OP)
>mechlet cope

>turns into a jet
witness my superiority

>>720136603
>Complain
No
>Shitpost
yes

>>720137019
Ah, carry on then.

>>720136960
Like I said size doesn't matter.

Why have arms and legs when I can have wheels and tracks

>>720137093
but can it transform?

>>720136535
Funny, I wish mechs were smaller.

>>720136307
>>720136459
Yes, most mobile suits are not designed for extended air combat, so they ride sleds or base jabbers. Some mobile suits, usually transformable ones, have enough thrust to fly on their own.

>>720137138
Why have wheels and tracks when you can have wings and propellers?

>>720137262
I wish mechs were power armor.

>>720137342
why not have all of the above

>>720137385
Bro, your Daemon x Machina Titanic Scorn?

Giant woman in power armor>mech

>>720137808
Giant woman mech > Woman in giant mech > Mech > Giant women in power armor

>>720137602
>mfw member IDOLM@STER collab with AC7

>>720137893
I don't think they did with 7. I know they did with Assault Horizon.

>>720137893
that was literally just Macross Delta, man

>>720137887
Incorrect but still an excellent choice

>>720135847 (OP)
do you guys think it would be cool to be a fighter pilot? or would it be so burdened down with bureaucratic nonsense that you would beg for death?

>>720138446
Are we talking about in our reality or Armored Core?

>>720137602
>girls suddenly turn cgi

>>720138446
depends on how well your taken care of after missions but yeah sure

>>720138305
>Each idolmaster skin in AC6 directly impacts aircraft performance in ways inspired by the personalities and stats of their characters
>The Chihaya F-15 has mediocre stats and nosedives if it gets a single scratch because she's prone to depression spirals

>>720135847 (OP)
should be renamed to ACvsAC

>>720136307
mecha break's shitty tarkov gamemode does that

>>720136135
If you've played an Ace Combat game, then you'd know the planes are wildly out of scale. They have wing spans of football fields.

>>720137548
It's pretty good, but not $70 good.
>>720137385
Power armor is nice, but in the context of mechs, I think the big robots lose appeal the bigger they get.
Mechs in the 4-8m meter height range are big enough to be cool and imposing without becoming so big that they start to become unviable for anything than big empty space or gigantic facilities made just for them. Stuff like Patlabor and Front Mission is ideal.
The smallest Armored Cores are the point where their size starts to make them "too big" for most urban areas, and their practical uses become limited.

>>720137893
>AC7
It had entire idolmaster skin packs in 6

>>720140089
Are you sure?

>>720135847 (OP)
Yes it does, giant mechs are awesome. If it's not the size of a skyscraper atleast don't bother waking me up.

>>720140179
https://acecombat.fandom.com/wiki/THE_iDOLM@STER

>>720138794
>>720139158
reality

>>720136307
>How come no mecha has ever used a jet a surfboard?
Do hover canoes count?

>>720140273
In US, I think it would be fine. I don't know about other countries.

>>720140236
It doesn't say anything about 7

>>720140607
see>>720140089
>skin packs in 6

>>720140543
I always wish that I had enlisted to the air force academy but I'm too tall and I was a horrible student back then... It just seems like a kino lifestyle, always being so fit and active while having the mental stimulation of needing to be on the top of your game for dog fighting etc. I'm envious of them, but I know that there must be downsides too

>>720137417
This is what peak performance looks like. Imagine the beam spam.

NEXTs are actually pretty big
its the gen3 shits they are smol

>>720139979
>It's pretty good, but not $70 good.
I bought my copy from cdkeys for $52.

>>720141165
I played 4 after 4 answer and it made me appreciate both more. Downscaling to the knee high jobber ACs I'd been punting all game and still tearing ass really showcased how crazy the powerscaling was.

>>720136307
Macross Frontier has a whole surfing scene

>>720141165
How tall are NEXTs and Gen3's?

>>720136335
Honestly ACs, Gundams and even mech warrior stuff should be generally like 2x-3x larger. They are all just way too small, there is no way to cram all that tech and armor into those tiny machines and still be effective in combat.

>>720142248
ACs are the perfect size. Anything bigger than a Gundam is too big.

>>720142348
ACs are so small it's also hard to imagine that they manage to fit in a cockpit, board computer, nuclear reactor and jet engines into that tiny torso. I mean just look at OPs pic, the cockpit of the F-22 is as big as the whole torso of the AC. Also at that size armor becomes an issue, due to its shape and size certain areas are going to be so weakly armored you could probably take down an AC with machine guns

>>720142009
got this from leddit
so I guess almost twice taller?

>>720142907
Anon ACs are 30 feet tall. The cores are bigger than a car.

>>720142248
what do you mean? both mobile suits and mech warrior mechs are huge. What more are you trying to cram into the chasis?

>>720142959
Damn, I don't know old gen ACs where than small. NEXTs are what I expected.

>>720137716
This is so fucking hard

>>720142959
Aren’t the ones from 1 taller than the ones from 5?
I was super sure the ones from 5 were tiny as shit

>>720142248
A gundam is ~20m big. 3x larger is starting to approaching Pacific Rim size (~75+m), that's way too big for their use.

it makes sense that gundams are big and blocky because there's no long distance tracking/targeting for snipers and missiles. AC mechs need to be more nimble

>>720142959
It's a shame there aren't human sized fodder enemies in AC6. From somehow managed to do it in Metal Wolf Chaos XD more than a decade ago.

>>720143625
>because there's no long distance tracking/targeting for snipers and missiles
There are multiple sniper and missle based mobile suits in gundam and in the majority of cases, all it takes is one good beam shot to kill you.

>>720135847 (OP)
inb4 someone posts the trash can

>>720143840
minovsky particles anon

>>720143916
>"b-but the minovsky particles" you exclaim as your cockpit explodes from getting whacked by a GM Sniper
Minovsky particles basically stopped mattering extremely early on and don't matter in AU settings at all.

>>720143876
What's the "trash can"

>>720144238
idk anon I have only watched mobile suit gundam

>>720144238
Minovsky particles dont exist in AUs but they still matter in UC. The GM Sniper is going to be at a closer range than comparable AU sniper units that don't have to contend with minovsky particles. If the particles are dense enough, that GM sniper isn't going to be able to get a positive target acquisition at long range. If anti beam gas has been spread, he can't fire at all. His advantage is when particles haven't been spread in large amounts and the enemy is unaware of his presence. It's very situational. In most common battlefield conditions the GM Sniper doesn't have advantage.

mecha are retarded

>>720137341
penelope and xi don't fly because of thrust, they fly because of minovsky flight systems
I know you're talking about waveriders and gaplants and asshimars and whatever though

>>720142248
nigga it's science fiction you don't know shit fuck you mean "cram all that tech"???
>>720136335
I think ~8-10m is the perfect size for the mech to feel like a vehicle while having the terrain in their fights actually matter

>>720137548
>Daemon x Machina Titanic Scorn
looks lame as fuck, also has bodytype faggotry

>>720144769
what is AU vs UC

>>720146452
UC is the original gundam timeline called Universal Century. This is what the original series and its sequels and spinoffs are set in. AU just means "Alternate Universe" and refers to other Gundam series set in their own, separate universe unrelated to the originals, like G Gundam, Seed, Wing, etc.

>>720143121
Which is really not a lot.

>>720143145
Their total dimensions are huge but due to their humanoid shape the actual space you can put stuff in isn't that big. Pic related, despite their huge size the chest area, where all the important stuff is, isn't really that much bigger than a modern tank.

>>720143462
I'd say Gundams should be 2x larger, that would still make them smaller than a B2 bomber (wingspan of like 50m). They are essentially bomber-fighter space jets so that size would be perfect.

>>720145512
Stop being boring

>>720142959
Looking a bit deeper into that the AC1 might be a bit misleading, The scale they used for that was using an in-game car while a cutscene human was much smaller. Granted at least by the time of ac 3-era it's clear they're much bigger with the model kits translating back to about 11M

>>720147110
Anon your realize that the cockpit in the core/chest and not the head right?

>assault target has unknown amount of cannon emplacements
>cannons are backed by fast moving small mechs
>at least 1 heavy mech spotted
what do?

You know what I kinda liked the ACV/VD size. Feels like at that size there's better room for a more combined arms approach to combat rather than the others where mechs dominate the field. Granted I think thats for a different game series(probably a strategy type game) to explore, AC should stick to its current scale and scope

>>720147681
Yes that's part of my point. Mechs are too small, they need to be way bigger.

>>720148110
Anon cockpits are in the Chest not the head. The has more than enough room for a cockpit.

>>720138387
Btw, does Macross have helicopter mecha or its all airplanes?

>>720148234
There are some other mech styles (not the focus), but no helicopters

>>720148449
Shame. Blackout in the Bayformers was kino and made me wish for more helicopter mechas.
I really like the Gen 4 Sentinel in 13 sentinel.

now what

>>720148205
>has more than enough room for a cockpit.
But then it doesn't have room for anything else. Think about it. The chest has to have a cockpit + life support system, a massive fuck strong chassis so the entire thing doesn't break apart, a generator/reactor big enough to power the giant war machine, all kind of electronics, jet engines for the boosters, fuel/energy pumps for the arms and legs and also enough armor to take a massive pounding. The dimensions of these machines make no sense.

Technivally, cockpits should be on the waist from a mechanical POV.

>>720149090
>no dual zimmermans and double needles
ngmi

>>720149495
my builds dunks on pve and pvp

>>720149090
Anon you should change that generator overall not bad.

>>720149495
Anon you didn't beat the game

>>720135847 (OP)
But it does.

>>720136335
I still think 4 meters should be the absolute maximum, and that's for the slow ACs, considering g-forces on pilots from boosting around.

>>720150852
4 meters should the minimum, and smaller it and might as well be power armor.

>>720148643
>>720148718
>>720148802
I adore Macross Plus.

>>720144695
WHY
WHY DID YOU DO IT
you absolute madman

>>720151315
found the Gundam fag

>>720152724
Nope, I'm OP, I thank ACs should be between 5 and 10 meters tall.

Remember that AC2 has transformable mechas in the concept stage...

>>720137602
Shame it failed to become a big franchise.

>>720136960
I find it funny how starscream would probably tower over most Transformers yet he's about as tall as Optimus

>>720157971
That's why in the live action movies at least, he was turned into a dorito to keep him smaller then megs

>>720136135
I love this nigga like you wouldn't believe.

>>720149090
>>720149791
>>720152654
I just want more parts aaaaAAAAAAAAAAA

>>720140916
Imagine encountering one of those in real life.
And you can't fuck or kill it either.

>>720157971
more like Transforders. what incredible corporate adslop the movies were

>>720157971
grinder the helicopter is also ginormous

>>720135847 (OP)
Fighter jets balance the autism of /m/ with the practicality of /k/, what not to like

>>720162893
Just to make sure, Grinder was in the 2nd movie, and Blackout was in the first one right?

>>720138024
Out of all the games I really question what the fuck were they thinking on adding anime girls on the one game of the series they went full westoid pandering with.

>>720163070
yes, they're both variations of the same heli frame