Thread 720140872

>geee I can't wait to see Big Boss's descent into villainy! I can't wait to see why people treated him like the second coming of Christ!
>is a mute retard
>not even him
Fuck any faggot who thought this was le "deep, subversive, artistic" idea. MGS ended at 3.

>>720140872 (OP)
>MGS ended at
2

>looks like big boss
>everyone calls him big boss
he is big boss
and he has a big boss

You should be able to torture your soldiers more effectively. I'm thinking leather straps and electrocution.

Do you think Big Boss ever caught a big bass in his life

>MEET THE NEW BOSS
>SAME AS THE OLD BOSS
you got fooled again

did u rike it?

>>720141252
YEEEAAAAAHHHHHH

>>720140872 (OP)
im pretty sure brainwashing a loyal soldier and lying to his closest allies and thousands of devoted soldiers to have them as a decoy while he works in his own military empire is pretty evil

>>720140872 (OP)
He was already the Big Boss of MG2 in Peace Walker.
Him becoming so cold towards his own troops he had no issue doing to them what the US government did to him and The Boss just hammered down he had already become a warmonger with no sense of morality.

MGSV should've been a sitcom
https://youtu.be/axfOJtmjRtY?si=l3CYnN_O399b3N0f

>>720141426
also he fucked chico into becoming a tranny

>>720140872 (OP)
>MGS ended at 3
True and based

>>720140872 (OP)
MGS isnt exactly a very deep or intelligent series, but I swear that MGSfags in /v/ would struggle to understand the plot of a fucking COD campaign.
Then again, these are the same retards who insist MGS1 is genius when it has a Saturday morning kid cartoon tier plot.

>>720141426
That was Zero's doing. What the fuck was BB supposed to do about it when Ocelot just dropped this info on him after he woke up from his 9 year old coma?

>>720141517
No he didnt, but I bet you MGSfags unironically got mad that Quiet wasnt a tranny, you fags have always been a bunch of subhuman leftoids.

>>720141468
And V is the hero BB all the mercs suck off in MGS1 and MG2

>>720141567
I got your COD campaign right here, bro.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=d7r9RqWBdl8&pp=ygUKRHV0eSBjYWxscw%3D%3D
At least MGS has stealth

>>720140872 (OP)
>Forcefully brainwash and manipulate Medic, his best soldier
>Throw Medic under the bus as a decoy. >Leave him to fight Big Boss' battles, knowing full well he'll die for it
>Abandon your friends, allies, soldiers, and lie to all of them
>Fuck off to the other side of the world and start raising child soldiers and getting involved in other conflicts
>Doesn't feel any remorse or guilt about any of the above
>geee I can't wait to see Big Boss's descent into villainy!

>>720141791
funny enough this parody fits spec ops: the line more than cod

>>720140872 (OP)
>MGS ended at 3.
3 is objectively the worst game in the series.

>>720141791
And I bet you'd need 5 years worth of threads and 50 hours worth of vids explanations to understand that thing's plot.
Hell, yesterday we had some retard having a meltdown because he thought it didnt make sense that Ocelot would teach recruits that engravings are useless because he wears flashy clothes in future games.
MGSfags have the lowest fucking IQ in all of /v/

>>720141857
Yee

Why the fuck did they give him a domino mask? The top hat is already perfect.

>>720140872 (OP)
Agreed. Kojimbo is a troll.

>>720141950
Shut up dummy
>hides in a box

>>720141817
Boy I sure do love how BB's descent into evil already happened and completely off screen. What a satisfying turn of events.

>>720142060
Behold, the IQ of an MGSfag.

>>720142070
>completely off screen
It happened in Peace Walker, its just you are a retard who needs to have everything spelled for him.
You are the exact kind of dumbass why 2 hour analysis vids became a thing.

>>720142164
>*fuck you fuck you fuck you fuck you fuck you fuck you*

>>720142070
>satisfying

>>720140872 (OP)
>muh plot
Nobody cares, MGSV won because it centered on the gameplay instead of Kojima trying to shove more of his garbage writing down my throat.
MGS1 already settled him as an unoriginal hack.

>>720142195
>she says , as she's secretly 'defected' and she knows she'll have to kill snake in less than 30 minutes once he rescues sokolov to keep the charade going

>>720140872 (OP)
I dont understand the Metal Gear fanbase in /v/, its obvious you just want generic blockbuster action stories, so why even bother with a franchise who's narrative is defined by the subversion of expectations?
Go play a Call of Duty or Battlefield campaign which is obviously what you want.

>>720140872 (OP)
He’s literally big boss. Also you fell for the big boss propaganda, Kojima is laughing at you right now. I really get a kick out of the iconography of Big Boss’ hero status on motherbase, to be fair you have to have a high iq to get this stuff. I like when the cliche heroic music plays at the deploy screen.

>>720142507
Because MGS3 is the point of reference

>>720140872 (OP)
>>geee I can't wait to see Big Boss's descent into villainy!
You play as a man he raped mentally and disfigured into being a perfect mental clone of himself, who he then used as a fallguy in an identical way to how The Boss had been used, with Solid acting the role of Naked.
>I can't wait to see why people treated him like the second coming of Christ!
MGS3/PW/V go over this.

>>720141983
>has an immediately recognizable and unique deformity
>is motivated out of anger at being in the Shadow of Big Boss' history and having his own culture erased in favor of English
>wears a mask

>>720140943
>how can I be different today?

>>720142765
Casuals don’t get this stuff but we do, you have to have played the games a few times minimum to get all the subtleties. Most of this goes over the average players head.

>>720142879
It's a common opinion among people with huge penises, you only like 3 because it's a ps2 game

AND NO ONE HEARS A WORD

>>720142874
>nooo you can’t wear masks!!! The mandate is over!!
Have sex

>>720142930
Real Metal Gear fans skip Metal Gear (1987)

>>720142930
Nah, actually most gamers are just illiterate.
I come from films, anime, and books, barely play vidya, and I have never replayed an MGS game.
They're all fairly on the nose and easy to grasp. I imagine Kojima also knew the typical gamer wouldn't be paying too much attention which is why he beat his ideas in so hard.

>>720141983
Psycho mantis with a hat would be too silly

>>720142070
MGS3 was already a complete origin story for Big Boss's descent into villainy, everything after was superfluous

>>720143132
Okay scholar, why are you on /v/ in an MGS thread? And why are you flexing anime?

>>720143432
Anime is generally better than vidya as well, but I was mostly just being honest.
>Okay scholar, why are you on /v/ in an MGS thread?
Easiest board to troll.

>>720142961
you need to go back

>>720143402
But we would've missed out on Based Retardman if it ended there.

>>720143402
Yeah in Snake Eater you can already draw some conclusions as to how Big Boss became who he is. The problem with the prequels is all additions to the lore are at best marginal so you’re wondering why even make these games.

>>720142195
>says the woman who literally had a child with her comrade

>>720143828
Yeah cause she’s speaking from experience

>>720142949
>thinking about penises
why am i not surprised a faggot would say some shit like this

>>720141060
For you

>>720144070
thinking about penises isn't gay unless you think about gay penises, homo

>>720141950
>Ocelot would teach recruits that engravings are useless
How the fuck often would that even come up? Having firearms expertly engraved costs thousands of dollars, how many recruits would show up with fucking engraved guns? Kojima is so stupid.

>>720142245
Nobody played Piss Walker, what does he do there that's so evil

when's the last time kojima made a good game

>>720143402
He didn't need an origin story, he was complete in MG2 (the one you didn't play)

>>720143132
If you replayed them you would get more out of it, guaranteed. BB didn’t even create Venom like you said. Zero did.

>>720144287
He runs a PMC and builds a nuke equipped Metal Gear
Running a PMC is innately evil and Metal Gears are the big evil thing of the series

>>720144346
2004

>>720144381
Didn't create him, but still agreed to his intended use as a decoy and let him take the fall.

>>720144346
1986

>>720144346
2028

>>720144346
QRD on this cat?

>>720144547
He's Nortubel

>>720144441
You also forgot to mention MGS4 and Eva’s explanation of big boss being a godlike figure. I recommend revisiting MGS4 and definitely MGS2.

What is that stance?

I think people are just mad that yet again the twist protag managed to outcool the original. Venom makes Naked look like a parody.

"I beat up my mom" stance

>>720144581
That's called propaganda, and that doesn't magically justify what Big Boss did.
What he did was, in effect, using Venom the way The Boss got used by the CIA.

>>720144626
Praying asperger's

>>720144750
wdym, solid snake was the best character in mgs2

>>720140943
>Metal Gear ended at
Snakes Revenge

>>720144808
That’s part of why they treated him like they did though, there’s a whole section in MGS4 that goes over his cult of personality you may have forgot

>>720145021
This

>>720140872 (OP)
>MGS ended at 3
Should I play 4? I beat MGS3 and 1 in the last two weeks and am playing two now

>>720144927
Based, he’s the best voice actor too.

He mentioned something interesting: Cipher is pursuing new research. ... A weapon to surpass Metal Gear.

>>720141736
The thing is nobody has played MG2.
I've completed it recently, only 10% of players have beaten this game for some reason.
Maybe because the first level of the game being the hardest and it filters people.

>>720145072
That's irrelevant to anything I'm talking about.

>>720145113
>play
>4

>>720144579
QRD on Nortubel?

The Venom Snake twist and the implications it has about Big Boss is like the only interesting part of MGSV's story. It literally feels like Kojima just had that idea for a MGS sequel and then he realized he had to put a story in the middle too. The opening and TRUTH missions are kino as fuck and feel like they're from a different much better game. While everything about Skullface and Vocal Cord Parasites fucking sucked. (apart from the second outbreak, that was pretty kino)

>>720140872 (OP)
>Trailer sets up child soldiers and suggests Big Boss shooting them
>NOOOO WE DON'T HECKING SUPPORT CHILD SOLDIERS THESE BRAVE AFRICANS WILL RECEIVE AN EDUCATION AND NEVER TOUCH A GUN AGAIN
Kojima is a fucking pussy bitch

>>720144346
Death stranding. Death stranding 2 is probably kino too but I don't have a goystation

>>720145173
No because OP was asking about biggu bossu being treated like a second coming

>>720145170
I think it's that MG1 port in MGS3/HD/Massa collection is bad and no one bothers with 2 without playing 1 first. 2 is better than the real MSX version for various reasons but 1 got downgraded hard.

>>720141983
>top hat
That's a fedora? Anyway, yea the mask is too much, looks like a custom character from an rpg

Is it finally possible to emulate MGS 4 properly?
It's the only one I haven't played because I can't get it to run on a PC and I am not buying an entire console just to play one game.

MGSV is not canon because they made Ocelot hot and it makes me gay (and I'm not gay)

>>720140872 (OP)
How did any of you fall for this after playing MGS2 and 4? I loved MGSV.

>>720145314
Okay I was going to flame you after the first couple sentences but then you redeemed yourself by the end. I think skull face is sort of interesting and his performance is at least entertaining as well. Truth tapes were cool and the Paz tapes were kino too.

>>720145459
Ocelot is a total GILF in mgs 2 tho

>>720145418
For a while now, yeah. People even play MGO2 with an emulator now.

>>720145401
>a shallow copy of king crimson's epitaph
heh

>>720142765
He didn't rape him mentally. Zero did. Big Boss just went along with it. It's bad but not as bad as he should be honestly

>venom snake is actually grey fox
KINO

>>720145459
He's circumcised in that game

>>720140872 (OP)
This game is very shallow in pretty much every way. (I still enjoyed it)

>>720140872 (OP)
The premise was fine, the problem was that faggot Sutherland was too expensive to cast so we barely got any dialogue, he wasn't even a very good VA. The excuse that David Hayter cant play a more serious character doesnt even check out, he has done several serious performances in MGS2, MGS3 and Peace Walker. Kojimbo just had to tug his Hollywood boner.

>>720145583
fuck off pythonschizo

>>720145614
>russian
>circumcised
why? is ocelot muslim?

>>720145459
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_w1nshKehd8
NSFW

>>720140872 (OP)
MGSV is good. Simple as. Story was mediocre but I’ll periodically replay V for the rest of my life.

>>720141983
So you know to not take him seriously

>>720140872 (OP)
>I want to see big boss descent into villainy
Then play Pops and Peace Walker
>NOOO THE PSP GAMES DON'T COUNT
then go eat a dick, you are worse than the people who don't play MG1 and MG2

>>720141635
I mean it would have given credence to Kojomo's "you're gonna regret jerking off to her :^)" bullshit a lot more than "uhh actually she needs to breathe from her skin, no she cannot wear something even slightly tactical like the femskulls, do you feel bad now? Here's a scene of her and boss playing in some water like children, did u rike it?"
Imagine the sitewide meltdown if everyone beating off to the Joost learned they were lusting for a tranoid, (even if they were a facescanned biological woman)

>>720145648
Wasn't the excuse that Hayter can't do mocap?
Even though he's younger and more fot than Sutherland?

>>720145614
>circumcised
Nothing suggests that.

>>720145257
There's this one extremely autistic brazilian (or portuguese or something, don't remember) /agdg/ (amateur game development general) dev who will literally spend all day weirdly shilling his weird game. He'll either randomly force the title of his game (Nortubel) into conversations as a noun/adjective (like saying something looks like Nortubel/is related to Nortubel/is Nortubel) in an effort to trick people into looking it up or spam pictures of his characters whenever he thinks it's appropriate to (like posting his clown girl character whenever clowns are a topic or his brown girl character whenever brown girls are a topic, etc). He does this in literally every thread he can, every single day.

>>720141983
Lone Ranger reference

>>720145864
the 2013 reboot film is insanely underrated
>Literally just Pirates of the Carribean but wild west
>People absolutely hate it
I don't get it, it's fun

>>720146059
only fags like pirates

>>720145394
I dunno, I liked MG1. It was a VERY simple game, but somehow it felt a bit more fair. MG2 had this problem of guards being literally psychic and being able to see me from impossible angles. And then there was level design that sometimes made it literally impossible to hide from the guards, because the level had no hiding spots.
But on the other hand MG2 had a much better story, because for all that hype about Outer Heaven in MGS V, nothing very important happens in MG1.

>>720144287
In PoPs he starts abducting people into his band of lunatics
You beat the shit out of them and drag them unconcious into a van, a couple of in game days later they are now somewhat loyal soldiers that you can deploy
This mechanic gets more developed in PW where you can now beat the shit out of some one and fulton back to Mother Base, the new oil drill that BB got so his war crimes happen in international waters and no state can charge him. There is a minigame about expanding Mother Base and you have to assign people to what ever position in it you want. You can assign people to PM units that go do war wherever the fuck you want. You can even assign the few kid units in the game to these positions if you so desire
This mechanic was again expanded for MGSV, and the mother base you see burning in ground zeroes is the one you built in PW

Both PW and PoPs are written as huge propaganda pieces for BB though, so your smooth brain might not catch up that what you are doing in those games is very, very bad.

>>720145647
>peace day never came
>shallow

>>720145708
WHY AM I IN TEARS?

>>720144626
The special forces shuffle

>>720145708
His thick long eyelashes are so pretty. There's something strangely sensual and feline about him. The entire game should've been just this. Just fujobait. I could forgive the retarded plot

>>720146192
Well I didn't say anything about the game itself, I do like it a lot, but that PS2 "remake" isn't good. Plays at 20 fps or something, very slow and laggy. MSX runs it at 60 like it should.

>>720145314
The game was rushed, it feels like he wrote the beguining and ending first because that was the idea he had, but it couldn't sustain a whole open world game so the middle part was a huge ass pull so the game could come out in time

>>720146338
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PSQWUZ8a2Ho

>>720140872 (OP)
Underrated all time soulless decision by Kojima to replace Hayter

>>720140872 (OP)
doesn’t he reconcile in mgs4?

>>720146820
This. Just make him to use his normal speaking voice if you think his growling was too campy for V. His normal voice is ok

>>720143714
>The problem with the prequels is all additions to the lore are at best marginal so you’re wondering why even make these games.
Hey, you know that guy that was your CO during Snake Eater? He became a super-paranoid Illuminati and some skeleton dude who hated him turned you into a copy of the dude he was simping over while main dude was in a coma.

>>720140943
Redditor alert

>>720145583
That doesn't fit
How the fuck did Gray Fox stop being venon in between MG1 and 2
>b-but at the end of V you get the passaport implying that venon changes face
When does that take place? MG1 is 1995 and MG2 is 1999

Ah yes time to make another 80s playlist

>>720145860
>another schizo
Make sense, thanks.

>>720146998
He's a clone of Gray Fox, obviously

MG, MG2, Peacewalker
>Nobody talks about the story
MGS 4, 5
>Everyone hates the story
Huh, how'd that happen?

>>720147195
Why does no one talk about Ghost Babel or the Acid games if this guy was so good

>>720146820
Hayter sounded like shit by Peace Walker. The problem is that he didn't really utilize Kiefer, or to that matter Norman in the first game. In TPP and DS people are just kind of talking at you one at a time, it doesn't feel like Norman was even there until Death Stranding 2 where more than 3 characters are allowed to interact in a cutscene.

>>720147360
Reedus is a shit actor anyway

>>720147195
>no mentions of ghost babel's story
>no mentions of fukushima's directorial masterpiece: snake tales
fucking posers, all of you

>>720147360
but muh mario and princess beach

>>720146686
>The game was rushed

It's not just that, a big problem with the game is simply how TPP is structured. Kojima went super hard on the "open" design and made a ton of cutscenes and dialogue completely missable. Like you can play the entire story without D-dog, Quiet or Paz; so much plot info is in guard dialogue. It's impressive sure, but also feels a bit like wasted effort.

MGSV was a very experimental title, with DS1 and 2 Kojima actually pulled back on this a lot and there's not nearly as much missable story

>>720147438
Snake Tales suck ass

>>720140872 (OP)
This scene was really good though
https://youtu.be/Ev0n8w_5jEs?si=dekCNGk51Fu6J9F9

>>720147589
filtered and mad

>>720147065
Why the fuck would the clone have a fucked up eye?
That is not how clonning works

>>720140872 (OP)
don't u get it?
it's mirroring the player
you thought you were big boss the whole time
just like when raiden tried to be snake in mgs2

>>720147557
GZ is a vertical slice of the game's story. You only get the ass end in the actual cutscenes, the rest are in side missions and chico's tapes. Same in TPP but on a larger scale because "Open [thing]" was the main idea behind the game

>>720147557
>>720147948
I fucking hated that
People played MG for the story, why the fuck would you make it misseable
Imagine MGS4 if you could miss the story
It would be a 30min game

>>720147886
>MG2 is a remake of MG1 almost beat for beat but with better graphics
>MGS is a remake of MG2 almost beat for beat but with better graphics
>MGS2 is a remake of MGS almost beat for beat but with better graphics
>MGS3, 4 and 5 all have "this is here because it was in a previous game even though it doesn't make any sense"
Kojambo has always been a hack

is venom snake the coolest character of the franchise?

>>720148273
No that’s raiden

>>720148273
Either him or Raiden in MGR

>>720141983
Thats what agents in training used to wear to not identify any other agent.

>>720147948
That type of shit really doesn't fit a story focused stealth game. It was fine in GZ because it was just a short prologue. But when the half the fucking story is on cassette tapes and the other half is missable or optional it really sucks ass.

>>720145795
>all my games feature a chaser character, you, the player

>>720148318
Raiden is the coolest
Cyborg Raiden is pure cringe

>>720145795
>It has to be a tranny to work
Nah, it just need to be better written
Yoko Taro pulled off 2b being a sex machine, both figurativelly and literally by making a whole thrid of the narrative being about another character wanting to fuck the bolts out of her and the rest 2 thirds being about how fucking horrible her life and everyone elses involved is
Kojambo could do the same if he wasn't that focused on just hanging out with Joost and photoscanning her feet

>>720148041
>>720148340
>story focused means movie game
Go "play" Death Stranding, fag

>>720147948
GZ struck a better balance honestly, mainly by simply being smaller and having pre-determined exit points. Kojima even said GZ was meant to "ease" fans into the open structure of TPP by being a sort of middle ground. There's a couple variations of cutscenes and dialogue depending on how you rescue Paz and Chico but nothing major

>>720148318
>mgr was my first metal gear

>>720148725
>Go "play" Death Stranding, fag
Ironic insult seeing as DS1 and 2 is the closest games to MGSV in terms of game design Kojima has made.

>>720148227
MGS3 is a remake of MG1, 2 and MGS2, if you didn't pick up on that you have double digit IQ

[Sad News] Raiden became a ninja cyborg because Kojima didn't understand the character Fukushima wrote.

>>720148759
I hope whatever new Metal Gear game Konami makes is more like GZ.

>fukumeme
Done.

>>720148862
But not the story design, it's usual kojima wordslop with a 2 hour cutscene at the end

>>720148939
He became a cyborg ninja because everyone bitched about how uncool he was in MGS4. So as revenge he made Raiden the capable badass while Snake is an old fart

>>720148759
Damn, I just realized that GZ is probably more like Hitman WoA than Metal Gear Solid.

>>720148759
And TPP is more of that
It's Hotline 2 all over again, brainlets filtered by the sheer scope

>>720149060
Making it larger doesn't mean better. The open world in TPP just means a lot of nothing in between the actual interesting areas and locations, and most of those are nearly as detailed or interesting as Camp Omega. The open world doesn't add much except a long walk or ride to get to the parts of the game I actually want to play

>>720145860
It's either the dev or Eric Schizo from the same threads

>>720149259
It's not about the open world

>>720149060
Always going back to the same two big empty maps made TPP boring. The moments when TPP feels the most like GZ like OKB Zero is when the game is at its best for a reason. Chasing some truck across africa isnt interesting

>>720149259
The point of the open world is you get to approach the mission anyway you want with complete freedom and endless weapon/item options. There are plenty of interesting outposts, but at the end of the day they’re just outposts. It is a military setting after all. You’re outmaneuvering soldiers and doing le tacticoool espionage action, infiltrating, stealing goods and information, assassinating, rescuing, you either like the concept of being a lone seal team 6 or you don’t.

>>720145334
>Death stranding 2 is probably kino
I played through it. It is kinoer than Kino Kinoing.

>>720148273
Ocelot is. He's the greatest spy in the world and had the potential to become the greatest soldier in the world too, he inherited omega genes from his parents, he was only 19 in MGS3 yet advanced incredibly fast and was getting better with each encounter with BB. Unfortunately he developed a gay obsession with another man

>>720149796
Because BB was better than him and he knew that, only him and his mommy were and they spanked him all game.

>>720149259
>>720149397
oh boy

>>720149796
fatherless behavior

>>720149796
>Advanced fast
He is a major because he is the kid of The Boss and The Sorrow
He is a fucking Nepo baby in the military. Doesn't matter if he is the huge mastermind shadow behind everything from MGS3 to MGS4
He only got the rank of Major because of who his parents are

>>720149946
Ocelot was like 10 years younger than BB though, he had the full potential to become better than The Boss and BB

>>720149509
There aren't that many interesting outposts though. Definitely some but not really enough to make up for all the boredom in between. Everything you mention can be done in smaller, more detailed and better designed locations.

I like the idea that venom is a sociopath that actually did more than big boss ever did.

>>720150091
You don't know that. He was able to keep up with Snake in CQC during their last fight and it was literally their third fighting encounter. He was catching up really fast

>>720149351
>It's not about the open world
Tell that to the people who made the fucking game.

>>720140872 (OP)
>unfinished game
>player is quite literally experiencing le phantom pain
BRAVO KOJIMBO

>>720149509
The bigger problem is that if you actually want to get the content done in a timely matter and not have the game lowly penalizing you both outright and quietly, you don't really "have" options until end/post-game. You're encouraged strongly to fulton every good officer you can get your hands on, and some of the optional objectives on missions require finding specific officers to kidnap, so in the end despite the non-lethal options being the most boring, they're your most necessary so that these officers can contribute to staff levels and help speed up your grind through the game to the point that end game was just nothing but kidnapping S, S+ instead of being free with options you really wanna do. Killing sprees just end up pointless unless you want to extend the demon horn and take longer to get shit over with.
Same shit even happens for the multiplayer MB invasions; if you start going lethal the game hard alerted an owner, so ghosting around kept players at bay and non-lethal tranquilizers and CQC without getting spotted did a soft alert that bought you more time. While non-lethality was always encouraged in Metal Gear games starting from Solid 2, it seriously got out of hand how much it would restrict your options if you want good mission ranks and faster grind.

>>720149796
OCELOT IS A NEPOFAGGOT

>>720150480
>MGS4 is a shit game
>Just like how becoming old is shit
LA CREATIVIDAD

>>720144346
death stranding, every game has always been with other writers

>>720140872 (OP)
>S++ soldiers cannot be found in the open world
Why?

>>720150623
He had co-writers on Death Stranding too though.

>>720150623
Oh so that's why DS is the worst

>>720140872 (OP)
say what you want about V but venom is a better big boss THAN big boss

>>720150614
Calm down Kaz

>>720150358
>You don't know that
His fucking mom tells you who the father is
She even tells you when he was born
D-Day

>>720150368
I fucking hated the open world meme back then
And I still fucking hate it now

>>720150805
I meant that you don't know if he became a major so young only because of his parents. Some nepobabies are very talented, it's the minority of them but they exist. Ocelot is one of them

>>720150604
You only need the mission rank once though so who cares, you don’t have to play every single time like you’re going for S ranks. It’s anti-kill because you’re playing a sneaking game mainly, the point is to get in and get out without anybody knowing and not leave any traces. That’s every game if you want the highest rank.

>>720150368
>mgs goes open world!
>the trailers had to speed up the footage because there was vast nothing-ness
HOLY KEK

>>720151006
Yeah let’s just put every location side by side and ignore distance, fuck you retard

>>720150876
honestly some of the best open world games still don't really even do much with it that actually matters but for micro-gameplay and mechanics, and mgsv only ever had those in the sneaking portions since there's fuck all to do anywhere else, so at the end of the day it felt especially pointless to even have the open world.

what do you even see out there without Infinite Heaven bolstering options? a pack of the same animals every so often, and two patrolmen or a truck going from outpost to outpost. anything else was mission specific, and missions largely take place around specific objective points anyway, so the fuck is the point of the rest of the open world when you could've easy made everything a bunch of instanced areas.

>>720150876
honestly some of the best open world games still don't really even do much with it that actually matters but for micro-gameplay and mechanics, and mgsv only ever had those in the sneaking portions since there's fuck all to do anywhere else, so at the end of the day it felt especially pointless to even have the open world.

what do you even see out there without Infinite Heaven bolstering options? a pack of the same animals every so often, and two patrolmen or a truck going from outpost to outpost. anything else was mission specific, and missions largely take place around specific objective points anyway, so the fuck is the point of the rest of the open world when you could've easy made everything a bunch of instanced areas.

>>720150740
Yeah, he isn't a dick

>>720151124
How about we make games with tightly designed levels and areas so that the player doesn't spend most of their time walking though empty desert half listening to audiobooks and cassette tapes.

>>720151124
uh oh melty!

>>720151151
>>720151152
>1 second appart lenghty post with the same image
>1 unix time difference in between them

Is this the La Li Lu Le Lo?

>>720140872 (OP)
>>geee I can't wait to see Big Boss's descent into villainy!

It's called Peace Walker.

>>720151314
my mouse is doing double click shit but it usually just acts like i'm not the one that posted it, NEVER seen it actually slip a double post in, the fuck

How could this be >>720151152 one second ahead of >>720151151 ?

>>720151229
Faggot you drop into a general location via chopper, then missions sometimes sprawl down to more than one location that covers a larger distance. This is fucking kino having to get on your horse and ride to the next area in time to finish the mission because some unexpected turn of events. Like the game could not be any more cool and you’re such a FAGGOT

>>720151428
Shit's tedious as fuck and you're a retard.

>>720151428
how many missions actually even bother to take advantage of this space between areas in any meaningful way but radio downtime if that

MGS fans will point out that TPP's world is "pointless" and that GZ works just as well and some zoomer always has a meltdown because of it but its never actually been refuted

>You can start and exit missions at different places!
Ground Zeroes has this
>You can do objectives in different orders and get slight variations!
Ground Zeroes has this
>Motherbase! Mission Prep! Dynamic weather and time of day!
Technically nothing stopping Ground Zeroes from having this

Going around the open world to complete Side Ops 79: Elimate The Armored Tank Unit and placing mousecages everywhere didn't justify the open world.

>hmm i guess i'll listen to some tapes while fucking around in the open world
>The wolbachia turns male to...
>*psssssssh*
>BOSS GET DOWN
>THAT'S AN ENEMY GUNSHIP

>>720151753
I can't remember a side mission that was as interesting as the one in GZ where you make contact with an informant only for him to set you up and cause an alert.

it's amazing that ten years later whenever I see anything mgsv-related, I automatically think of the trailer ending where Venom walks Kaz off the chopper as the Diamond Dogs watch on and the music swells. Kojimbo dropped the ball.

>>720151975
>>720152064
GZ really is the best use of the formula because of how compact shit is, how little downtime you have overall since there's regularly a guard or patrol around almost every nook and cranny, that you can't just sprint away from any danger to regenerate health or take a heal spray so easily since it's all enemy territory. I think the only time TPP actually rivals this in any capacity is the normal finale with raiding the XOF base that is kind of a multi-layered space to fight through or sneak around, and that's still mostly a linear path forwards with a way to navigate around the trouble if you bother to. A structured mission and a condensed area will always work better for this sort of genre, it's why even the modern Hitman games largely place all the important stuff for a mission around one central space to navigate and utilize, while everything else is bonus objectives, discoveries and secrets that slip in for some variety, and even then many of the bigger missions weren't really "open world" as much as like a city block.

>>720140872 (OP)
>every mission is a filler episode
>the parts you actually wanna see are simply not in the game
>could've still redeemed itself by bridging the whole thing with MG1
>a boss fight against the rookie Solid Snake that you CAN'T win
>nah we'll just flip this tape go play that msx dogshit now
Wasted potential.

>>720151642
I can agree with that, Those later missions just outright fucking SUCK

>>720152557
>a boss fight against the rookie Solid Snake that you CAN'T win
Liquid, but yeah.

>plot is "resolved" in an uncompleted cutscene that was an extra with the special edition or some shit
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VYo1m6fCXLU

>>720151978
Kaz and Ocelot CONSTANTLY chiming in and interrupting the stupid exposition dump tapes I'm trying to listen to with unecessary "You're gonna extract him?" "That's the target." "Subject on board. Leave the rest to us" "BOSS, GET DOWN! The enemy sniper." tips drives me fucking insane. For a game as detailed as MGSV, the fact that there's just no option to make them shut the fuck up is crazy.

>>720152557
Bridging to MG1 would not be possible in the time frame the games take place (TPP is 84 IIRC and MG1 is 1995, having the last boss be a decade after the last few missions would be fucking retarded)
Maybe a second venon game if we ever got it could do that

>>720140943
Ground Zeroes

>>720152847
The funniest part is that Ocelot has some unique recorded codec lines you hear while playing, but its ONLY used for the first mission while Kaz is kidnapped and then never again, which makes the reused voice lines even more maddening

>>720152936
>having the last boss be a decade after the last few missions would be fucking retarded
Then skip time and show how the outer heaven was days prior to n313. It's not that big of a deal. Have it be the real epilogue instead of whatever dogshit chapter 2 is. A couple of missions here and there to wrap it up.
>>720152838
>Liquid, but yeah.
You play as Solid Snake in MG1 and supposedly kill Venom. (Operation Intrude)

>>720152531
Yeah, I was playing Delta and comparing it to V, it really drives home how important the feeling of being "trapped" is in a stealth game. I'm not some kind of anti-open world evangelist, but I think it might just fundamental be a bad fit for stealth games. You need those tight corridors and feeling of the walls closing in.

>>720141736
Wrong.

TPP if it was good

If I'm going to play 5 again any mod recommendations?

>>720140943
it ended at metal gear rising

>>720153710
Not an MGS game.

>>720153706
infinite heaven so you can teleport to the good parts of the missions and skip all the filler shit

>>720153706
Infinite Heaven + Zeta as just sort of an overall enhancer and mod framework, if you want guns to be actual guns and not frankengun monstrosities because Kojima lost his gun fetish / didn't want to pay gun royalties then Uncle Jimbo's Gunpack, Cure Asthma for Female Soldiers if you're the type of person that would mess around with playing your recruits. Anything past that is pure aesthetics for the modded experience's sake or getting mods to trim out the excess grind late game has.

>>720153690
I'm pretty sure a huge reason for all the empty space is because the last gen consoles have to empty their memory to load in new stuff, its definitely the reason for the bridges between the different plants on motherbase (even if they give a lore reason for it)

>>720140872 (OP)
>MGS ended at 3.
More like ruined with 3. It was an amazing standalone game that completely fucked the rest of the series.
And I know you agree because you say MGS ended at 3, you're just too blind to realize it's MGS3's fault.

>>720154292
>It's MGS3's fault that PO and MGS4 retconned a bunch of stuff to retroactively make MGS3 more important
"No!"

>>720153786
it's the funniest one though

>>720145314
The idea of Venom Snake isn't controversial, and I feel like a lot of anons would've accepted it IF the game was actually about the real Big Boss and his REAL descent into villainy. Venom should've gotten his own game after a Big Boss game, as a culmination to the arc.

>>720154636
he did
TPP is venon
GZ is BB

>>720145401
Oh look, it's rexrayzekeshagohod

>>720154636
Except that happened on Peace Walker.
Big Boss by the end of PW is already the Big Boss from MG1: a warmonger who builds Metal Gears and has no problem employing child soldiers.

>>720154883
If mgs2 is anything to go by, GZ is just a "simulation" of the event.

>>720152104
>dropped the ball
Only MGS redditors consider making a videogame instead of a shitty movie as dropping the ball.
I have no clue who can play MGS1-4 and go
>yes, I want more of these clunky games with endless cutscenes telling a terribly written story

>>720155232
MGS fans?

>>720151975
Except Ground Zeroes is piss easy, MGSV should have simply taken inspiration from ArmA 3.
Only you MGSfags who have never played any other game worship GZ.

Remove regenerating health, remove marking, remove indicators when you are spoted, give guards realistic vision, allow the deployment of your army, allow you to pilot jets, helis and boats, and put more emphasis on huge battles, maybe even give it an RTS mode where you can control your army via iDroid.

>>720140872 (OP)
>can't wait to see Big Boss's descent into villainy
nigger mgs3 happened

>>720155491
>Remove the MGS soul and make it no fun allowed milisim shit
uhmm no

>>720144750
Is that JD Vance?

>>720155495
You mean Peace Walker. It sucked though. People keep asking for a story where Big Boss goes evil but we already got like 3 of those, they were just all bad.

>>720155354
Yeah, people who just dont care about videogames.
It's why I'm glad this franchise is dead, not even Call of Duty has been as anti-videogame as MGS, which is obviously just the non sensical ramblings of a guy who wanted to make movies but couldnt.
Still dont get how this guy made MGSV, its like Kojima pulled his head out of his ass for once.

>>720155491
>huge battles
for what purpose?
the whole point of this chapter of the story is that BB is slowly rebuilding his PMC by doing small and morally dubious jobs for cheap till he can build MB and have enough spare money to be active on the other side of the world where he is doing the same there
The last thing he wants is going against a huge military complex and burn through soldiers

>>720140872 (OP)
>story faggots
i like how well snake controls, if the levels weren't ubisoft tier open world outposts it'd be an A tier stealth game

>>720155597
>People keep asking for a story where Big Boss goes evil but we already got like 3 of those, they were just all bad.
Nah, if anything the original Metal Gear 1 and 2 Big Boss is just too much of a cartoon villain and has been retconned to hell at this point. Big Boss being more of a misguided tragic figure who does evil shit because of circumstances is more interesting

>>720155571
>soul
What soul, lack of difficulty and endless cutscenes?
MGSV was made to be an operator simulator, and those are way better than MGS, and also show more about the way the military is than MGS and its ridiculous "hurrr my life belongs ln the battlefield" crap.

>>720155761
Please, there's even hints at huge battles happening in the actual game that dont end up happening, not sure why, maybe because the PS360 would shit themselves, but Backup Backdown is supposed to be a massive battle, before going to OKB Zero its implied all of Diamond Dogs was going, and the deleted episode was supposed to be a huge battle between Diamond Dogs and Sahelanthropus.

Why build an army to begin with if you end up doing everything yourself?

>>720155801
MGSV is literally the one with ugly copyright free frankenguns that make no goddamn sense while older MGS went super hard on the IRL weapon autism, MGSV literally had to come up with an excuse for why it has a giant gundam mecha by saying "uhhhmm its a paper tiger and you need psycho mantis to run it"

>>720155786
He's not misguided or tragic, he's fucking retarded. He barely does much evil himself and what things he does do aren't really that interesting. His main goal of Outer Heaven is still stupid and evil the whole time.

>>720154218
>>720153935
thank you very much!

>>720155994
>irl weapon autism
How? You had codecs going on about them, that's it.

>>720155994
That's due to weapon customization, gun makers really dont like if their guns are depicted with parts of others.

>>720156256
>You had codecs going on about them, that's it.
Yeah, and in MGSV there's nothing, because they're not real guns so there's nothing to say

>>720155659
If you played the game when they were fresh out the oven, you would probably understand it better.

>>720155571
>noooo I need more toddler humor and terribly written cutscenes
No one hates videogames more than MGSfags.

all kojima fans are braindead juvenile retards

>>720156524
I dont care, guns are easy to replace, they are just models, the older games fail at a conceptual level to represent anything that resembles the military, instead its just some non sensical anime crap.

>>720156582
Yes, video games who acknowledge that they're video games are based. They will always be flashing lights on a screen where you're just playing pretend and MGS knows this

>>720156541
I didnt, I was playing games back then.

>>720156721
>actually MGS is good because its bad and has fart jokes
This is what every MGS discussion comes down to, in order to avoid accepting that you people got obsessed with an embarassingly childish story, one that you got so obsessed with that you spent a decade seething that MGSV, for once, put that crap aside.

>>720156793
name 5 games

>>720156691
>He says about the game with the psychic shota, the half-naked girl who breathes through her skin and the man with human torch powers

>>720154258
GTA 5 was on the same system two years prior
Also Kojima went on to make an even emptier game on a next generation machine

>>720156939
No game has ever accomplished being anything but a glorified digital toy, and the fact that gamers still get annoyed by the fact that Metal Gear acknowledges this is funny

>>720156973
From when I was a kid?
Return to Castle Wolfenstein, Operation Flashpoint, World in Conflict, Splinter Cell (all except Conviction) and Star Wars Empire at War.

>>720157208
No, what annoys people is the endless cutscenes since this is a videogame and Metal Gear has awful writing anyway.

>>720157065
Yes, the story missions are the worst part of the game.
MGSV is at its best with Infinite Heaven and custom mission packs installed.
And using IH to give guards realistic vision, better gear, armored column reinforcements etc.

this nigger has been shitting up mgs threads whining about story and cutscenes since delta released lmao

Shufife was better in every way including the story

>>720157638
Remember when /v/ insisted this crañ was going to be a stealth hit?

>>720155491
MGS is about solo infiltration, not Mercenaries for PS2

>>720157638
>Shufife
is this supposed to resemble the word survive?
because shuffle+fife just doesnt make sense to me, is it calling people from fife crackheads?

>>720157638
Survive had some cool ideas but it felt like it was buried beneath a lackluster budget and way too much skinnerbox bullshit

>>720157563
Yeah it's pretty pathetic

>>720157762
MGS is about shoving endless, terribly written cutscenes everywhere.
And no, it shouldnt take inspiration from Mercenaries, but from ArmA 3.

>>720157872
It's fun if you make it fun, truly dark souls 2 of metal gear

Kojima is a hack. Death Stranding 2 finally proves it.

>>720157872
>cool ideas
It was a completely generic zombie game, everything it tried to do was done much better by several year old games.
Do you fags ever play something that isnt a Metal Gear?

>>720157826
>He wasn't here for the MGSV memes
My condolences

>>720140872 (OP)
The real Big Boss was doing his own stuff behind the scenes.
Obviously giving a random medic plastic surgery and convincing him he's a legendary soldier is retarded but it makes sense that he became this mysterious legend when he's in two places at the same time

>>720158016
forgot the file

>>720158027
MGS1 proved it 30 years before.

>>720158092
It's ironic because now we know Kiefer can act just fine, but Hideo wanted him to have a muffled lisp for some reason.

>>720158119
This is considered webm worthy according to MGSfags, its a fucking cult to a franchise that never stood out in anything.

>>720157563
Delta has shown to the world that MGS has never been good.

>>720158039
>It was a completely generic zombie game
Nah, stuff like the Lord of Dust and the fog mechanic was legitmately cool. I also liked the fan-service elements like the gray fox helmet

>>720158424
No it wasnt, its a poor attempt to mod MGSV into Dying Light.

>>720157921
>MGS is about shoving endless, terribly written cutscenes everywhere.
No, it's tactical feeding operations

>>720140872 (OP)
>play mgs5 without playing any mgs before
>don't give a flying rat's ass about kojimbo retarded ramblings, I know it is nonsense anyway lol
>ignore stealth and go guns blazing every time
>mod away the stupid timers and mobile-tier motherbase management
>have fun
>never understand the wailing regret and despair of faithful fans, but laugh at them all the same

>DUDE MGS IS ABOUT LE HECKING WHOLESOME GOOFYNESS
>proceeds to spend years worshipping the MGSV trailers that depicted it as a dark and serious war story
>proceeds to complain for a decade that MGSV's plot wasnt what those trailers promised
You fags agree that MGS is retarded, you are just too proud to admit you liked childish trash for a long time.

>>720140872 (OP)
half of the budget was already wasted on the hollywood retard, Kojima just couldn't afford to pay for more voice lines, please understand.

>>720158658
it was heckin' wholesome chungus war crimes!

>>720158658
It's both, it can get very serious and also very silly, it's part of it's charm.

>>720158756
>MGSV budget
>80 million
>Kiefer Sutherland, a B lister who's only highlight was a TV show got paid more for MGSV than Robert Downey Jr. did for Avengers
You have a smooth brain and a low IQ.

>>720158851
No it can't.
>part of the charm
What fucking charm is there in retarded Japanese humor, its the same shit as the "humor" in those terrible Marvel movies but even more childish somehow.

>>720158756
and the other half went to the japanese actor because he has the same amount of lines

>>720158851
Do you not see that this is exactly why most people think Kojima is a talentless hack?

>>720155232
some more cutscenes would've been a good idea

>>720158873
Dont bother, mgsfags in /v/ are literal schizophrenics who have spent a decade of their lives repeating this because the idea of a game being centered on gameplay and not on the plot traumatized them for life.
They'll still be going on about how MGSV in their deathbed.

>>720159205
This is a videogame, not a movie, the story is irrelevant.
And if you insist on focusing on the story at least hire a writer who at least can make characters talk like human beings.

>>720159350
fortnite generation

>>720159429
I'm 29, and considering MGS is dead I think most of the industry feels the same about movie "games".

>>720140872 (OP)
>t. filtered by the ruse cruise
Suck it faggot. TPP is a masterpiece.

>>720158472
You haven't played either game and it shows.

>>720146059
really? may have to watch it...I've read the production of it was an absolute nightmare

>>720159784
I did, Dying Light has way better combat, a way better map, less focus on obnoxious farming, has way better graphics and the coop isnt limited to boring tower defense missions.

>>720141983
Dunno, but it makes him look like a 70s italian movie villain so I don't mind

>>720159152
I don't care about Kojima, but I like that aproach in videogames, like it or not that's on you.

>>720159974
>I did
post steam numbers

>>720159152
Most people think he's a genius and one of the most successful and critically acclaimed game creators of all time.

>>720160460
Most people into games also buy COD every year.

>>720160207
Why? What's the point of ruining a story's tone for the sake of dumbass kid humor?

>>720151229
i think it would be cool if it was like death stranding, and also you had to use grapple hooks and shit like that to get to advantageous places in the terrain like a mountaineering spec ops soldier

>>720151229
Or better, how about this industry learns tl develop open world games? If Bohemia and Rockstar can, I'm sure its possible.

>>720160867
That's mostly because you hate videogames, you just want cutscenes telling a terrible story that amounts to nothing because Kojima is a low IQ manchild who really wishes he was making movies.

>>720161094
иди в кc пeтyшoк

Japs cant into storytelling, modern westerners cant either, but even a franchise for kids like Star Wars has had novels that depict war and the effects it has on people better than MGS.

For me it's Portable Ops

>>720161141
I don't speak in soviet

>>720161329
Storytelling dies with the invention of the camera, and you know who invented it

>>720161329
Ironically I think Kojima could make something interesting with Star Wars.
Military + supernatural fantasy. that's right up his alley.

the story in MGSV is overrated but watching Quiet catch fire and jump out of a window and be strangled underwater was fun to watch
not saying the game is shit but anyone who prefers optional recordings and absolutely random placement cutscenes to traditional MGS pacing was retarded

>>720161807
I do, one allows me to play and ignore Kojima's terrible writing, the other is endless interruptions.

>>720161887
>I hate all metal gear games other than the absolute single one (1) game that is different
you don't like metal gear then

>>720157638
The only cool thing that should have been in 5 are the survival elements like stamina and food/water meters. It would have balanced out the open world of 5 and actually give you a reason to look around in outposts or wilderness for food and animals.

>>720161957
I hate the story, both because it's awful and the way it keeps getting in the way when you just want to play.
MGSV is when Kojima finally got the message that some people find his writing unbearable.

>>720162035
>pequod dies during skulls attack
>it's just snake, crip kaz and a horse in a desert filled with soviets and ocelot over the radio
we were robbed!

>>720140872 (OP)
>game advertised as "A man becomes a demon"
>Snake doesn't do anything evil

>>720162367
Rused

>>720161620
jesus christ no

>>720162367
You can kill the heckin' pupper

>>720161358
Why? It sucks.

>>720155232
Literally me, MGS1 - 4 are my most played games ever. I’ve replayed 2 and 3 dozens of times over the years.

>>720159152
No I think you got filtered. Yes it can absolutely do both and it does.

>>720155786
>has been retconned to hell at this point
Not really? MGS1 is pretty clear about what Big Boss was trying to do. So is MGS4. It's true that MGS4 recontextualizes Outer Heaven and Zanzibarland as specifically coups targeting the Patriots, but that's just an extension of their original context which centered it on NATO and Western hegemony.

I'm not sure what you think about Big Boss's character has been retconned.

>>720144287
>recruited child soldiers
>built a Metal Gear
>armed it with a nuke stolen from the US
>decided to reject The Boss' will when he realized she wanted world peace
>accepts that he's a warmonger
Just listen to the ending speech, Big Boss in PW is already the one from MG1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2OO9t-iH6kE

>>720145074
But I thought Peace Day never came?

>>720162848
Yeah, filtered by awful writers with childish tendencies, tendencies that evolved into what's now called "millenial writing", a tumor on modern storytelling.

>>720160867
You can also go to /tv/ considering you just want movies.
Or to /co/ since MGS' plot is saturday morning cartoon tier slop.

>>720142879
It's crazy how some npcs wake up like that. Couldn't be me.

>>720141252
I tip my hat to your

>>720163030
Man Hayter really sucks here

>>720145797
They might have claimed that as well, ultimately i still think Kojima just wanted to cast a hollywood actor. It cant be that hard to train someone to do mocap.

>>720140872 (OP)
It ended at 4. And it really should have stayed that way. Peace Walker and V really sullied this series.

>>720141234
how do you find the right depth for bass?

>>720163261
Kek you don’t know what the fuck you’re talking about

>>720144346
policenauts

>>720164765
Yeah, two videogames really stick out in a series of movies

>>720164845
I know humor in non-comedy media is a red flag that points at feminine writers too insecure to write something serious because they fear being mocked

>>720142070
instead of being off screen, i think of it of you, as the player, being the product of the "sins" of big boss,its manipulationg and his hubris, it is a topic touched upon the game.

were you ashamed of your words and deeds

>>720158629
You need a severely low IQ to even bother with Metal Gear's plot, let alone like it.

>>720166159
YES KOJIMA-SAMA SORRY FOR SAYING SHAMEFUL THINGS ABOUT QUIET
I'M ASHAMED

>>720140872 (OP)
Narrative driven games are cancer and I'm glad they are a dying concept.

>gameplay focused game
>fanbase of normal individuals who talk normally

>story focused game
>fanbase of mentally ill schizophrenics having mental breakdowns all day
What's stranger is that these games aren't written well to begin with.
MGS is the best example of this and the writing is dreadful, specially the dialogue.
This franchise just has nothing to warrant the fanaticism it gets.

>>720166872
>I'm glad they are a dying concept.
Bro have you seen the deltarune fanbase they're probably gonna start their own sovereign state soon

>>720167196
Considering they are all trannies I think they'll die even sooner than these types of games

MGSV broke my suspension of disbelief. Its just too convoluted and weird of a plan. I also dont buy Medic just magically getting brainwashed. The plan is stupid and makes everyone involved evil people.

>>720140872 (OP)
>t. doesnt understand the point of the game
every time someone complains about the story its one of you retards.

>>720167159
MGS is followed by manchildren who never grew up and think stupid jap humor is funny.
They are cousins of MCU numales

>>720167159
They’re pretty well written for video games, and they’re also very unique among video games and any other medium really. There’s nothing like this series really.

>>720167835
Just because they shove a crapload of cutscenes doesnt make them good.
MGS1 in particular has a ridiculously silly and childish plot.
>There’s nothing like this series really.
Thank god

>>720167835
>There’s nothing like this series really.
I think JoJo is close spiritually

>>720163030
I wish I could hear this speech with his normal talking voice

>>720166872
>>720167159
I like my games having decent stories. It's just when it gets convoluted is when it goes wrong.

>>720168054
I like them without story

>>720167938
Yeah I’d agree, it’s the over the top drama that makes it.

>MGSV
>VR Missions for MGS1 and 2
You don't need anything else

>>720168167
I need Ghost Babel challenge levels

>>720140872 (OP)
Big Boss was a half Japanese half American from Hawaii that was sent to an internment camp during WW2 before he joined the Army and fought in Europe. Because of facing racism for his japanese heritage during the war, this made him bitter and he quit the Army soon after the war ended and became a mercenary who fought in the Congo Crises and in the Vietnam War as a MACV-SOG expert consultant. After that, he became a world famous mercenary who had his own sort of liberation ideology before he finally landed a gig running the US Foxhound group

This was the actual canon lore as laid out in official MGS material before the sequel series had Kojima basically recon all of this. He didnt lose his eye until he was much older during some random mercenary mission too in the original lore.

>>720167938
Jojo is trash so yeah

>>720168054
For me it's simple hero's journey shit. Or just straight forwards stories with nice endings.

>>720166872
retarded take. Narratives ad incentive to the gameplay and make it richer. Only sub 100 IQ brownpeople think otherwise and just want Fortnite tier slop.

>>720167928
The cutscenes are well directed and high quality in all the games, they also, for all their silliness are centered around serious themes and the climax, exposition and resolution is usually pretty serious. Go play spec ops the line if you need some shit like that, not sure how you won’t be bored to tears though.

>>720168446
No, the gameplay itself, beating challenges is the reward.
Fornite isnt that either, its just FOMO crap that rewards playtime, not skill.

>>720168351
Steel Ball Run is literally one of the greatest stories ever made though

>>720166872
>rrat
ogey

>>720167159
I can tolerate shit gameplay if the story is good
I will drop a game with a shit story and good gameplay

>>720168548
Fortnite is literally just pure gameplay like you said you wanted. Again, hating a narrative is a retard take for dull wited simpletons

>>720168661
You are a cancer to videogames and should go read a book or watch movies.

>>720168489
>Go play spec ops the line if you need some shit like that
I did, it's okay, way better than MGS but its not ArmA.

>>720168548
>hideo game
>skill
>challenge
>reward

>>720168796
Why don't you stick to your bing bing wahoo

>OMG Kojima games are SO badly written!!
>People still discuss the themes and ideas of MGS decades later
>People still laugh at his dumb names and weird autistic babbling
>People still enjoy the wacky off-beat humor and juvenile jokes

Why be good when you can be interesting? Kojima's work clearly has a je ne sais quoi quality that makes it endure, if it was merely bad it would be forgotten like so many other mediocre works. Yet people still talk about it

>>720168719
Except the point of gameplay is rewarding challenge, which Fornite doesnt, it rewards idling with skins, and the gameplay sucks anyway, its a subpar third person shooter.

>>720168873
No, the past decade has been endless seething that MGSV wasnt a mpvie about Big Boss killing kids.

>>720168873
Best Kojumbo's games were developed when he didn't have full control and was restricted. He is a very good developer but he goes off the rails and starts doing stupid shit when you leave him to his own ideas.
Not to mention popularity really did a number on him.

>>720143132
His games contain a fuckton of dialogue. No one is going to fully understand the plot the first time through.

>>720140872 (OP)
MGS4 was good, so was 5, lick my chode

>>720168881
Fornite rewards pure gameplay. Be the last man standing, thats it. No story, no narrative, nothing but pure gameplay just like you want. Its a random assortment of characters from all sorts of IP's too which makes it even more nonsensical.

Compare this to something like TF2 which does have a narrative to it.

>>720168863
a lot more skill than a splinter cell game, you can just kill your way through them with no repercussions

>>720169003
>Kojima is restricted
>shitty movies with underdeveloped gameplay

>Kojima on his own
>gameplay takes priority ahead of story, most of which is relegated to the background

>>720146059
i thought it was a fun movie when i watched it then learned later people hated it lol. i rarely trust peoples' reviews

>>720145401
Morning wood

Is there any way to load her room through infinite heaven or something? I don't want to delete my save

>>720168796
>arma
>spec ops
Why is a military sim autist in an MGS thread? This series is not for you faggot. You probably wouldn’t like shakespeare either, it’s about the spectacle and drama.

>>720169138
>Fornite rewards pure gameplay
How? I'm not given anything, and the gameplay is shit, it's just not a fun game.

>Compare this to something like TF2 which does have a narrative to it.
Which is why Counter Strike is better.
In fact Source is maybe one of the best videogames ever made.

>>720169195
>Kojima on his own
>gameplay consists of walking for hours

Why did they feel the need to give venom snake a bionic arm and shrapnel fragment in his head? its kind of retarded in retrospect. A few scars would have been fine.

>>720169192
you don't get repercussions for killing video game people : )

>>720168863
Ok let’s see your big boss/fox ranks

It's hard for me to take Peace Walker seriously when it literally has a dating sim beach simulator. Other games have silly parts but not that silly. I don't want le funny dating mechanics in my "Big Boss becomes the villain" game

>>720168873
This. All of his faults end up adding to the charm of it all, its this perfect balance of ridiculous and serious at times.

Also, his games get progressively better gameplay wise with each installment and my only complaint is that the series ended right when he perfected stealth gameplay

>>720169407
I'm not a transvestite : )

kojimbo faggots have to be the worst retard fanboys on /v/
death stranding was just valid proof that he's the george lucas of video games.

>>720169404
He needs that horn looking shrapnel because he's LE DEMON. Don't you get it?

>>720169053
Most dialogue in MG games is just restating present ideas. It's mostly there because games themselves are long and he doesn't want the typical player forgetting the core themes.

>cope
Done.

>>720169335
What I wonder is why Kojima bothered with military stories that have absolutely nothing to do with how the military works.
Like MGS1, soldier genes? What's this retarded shit?
A game centered on the plot is already a bad idea, but one centered on a bad story is just plain stupid.

>>720169548
Autism. Please anon, go boot up Escape from Tarkov I think the reset just hit.

>>720169404
>Why did they feel the need to give venom snake a bionic arm and shrapnel fragment in his head? its kind of retarded in retrospect. A few scars would have been fine.

Because he's already a demon.
Also if you hate those let me ruin it even further by pointing out that he has a lose strap that's meant to look like a tail.
You'll never be able to unsee this now.

>>720169548
>why would a game primarily focus on themes already heavily present in video games
I don't know anon

>>720169481
George Lucas is a genius who created nothing but kino his whole career, don't compare him with a guy who has never written a single line of dialogue that sounds natural.

>>720169337
Already said. Fortnite is just gameplay, be the last man standing. No narrative or story or anything, pure gameplay like you said you wanted.

Counter Strike also has a barebones narrative and so did Rainbow Six. Part of the appeal of games IS the narratives and characters that gives you some sort of emotional attachment to the game. Only some autistic freak wants JUST gameplay and being told what to do with nothing else.

Mgs 5 made venom snake to explain how big boss explodes in mg1 and comes back in mg2. Another reason might be to make it so big boss Didn't completely overshadow snake

>>720169419
That's how you become a bad person, you never notice how your blonde glownigger buddy slips metal gear blueprints into your r&d division. It's a T-rated game so they don't show him snorting coke but he was 100% on that white gold. It's all fun and good times until you get a nuke inspection day.

>>720140872 (OP)
"deep, subversive, artistic" huh?

>>720169689
I don't know why people say this when MG2 explains how Big Boss survives.
Venom Snake exists because Kojima wanted to tell that kind of story, not because of retarded plot shit.

>>720169653
A good writer can talk about themes without making the story absolutely stupid.
Not that Kojima ever does anything interesting with any theme he touches on.

>>720169406
b-but metal gear killing is frowned upon :(
you don't get good scores if you do..

>>720169404
Devil imagery. He even has a "tail".

>>720169676
>Counter Strike also has a barebones narrative
No it doesn't.

>Only some autistic freak wants JUST gameplay and being told what to do with nothing else.
Ironic considering the most autistic schizophtenics in /v/ are MGSfags and Deltarunefags.

>>720169605
No, that game has awful gunplay

>>720169404
Because it looks cool as shit

>People are still seething over Big Boss being a hack
Making him mute was retarded but Venom being the protag is based

>>720148227
>Sees this but doesn't realize Asian bug people cannot create and manifest new things

>>720140872 (OP)
The body double shit and having XOF trail you through the whole of MGS3 are peak examples of bad prequel writing. I remember when Gundam Origin did the same shit with Char running into a random guy that happened to look EXACTLY like him.

The best part of the MGS cutscenes was how all the gun sounds and footsteps were all chonky during the cutscenes.

>>720169809
>A good writer can talk about themes without making the story absolutely stupid.
I guess David Lynch never made anything good, as lo, anon has stated that you cannot make stupid stories.

>>720170286
The moment Liquid's arm took over Ocelot's body the series went to shit. It's not cool shaman shit like with Raven, it's just an ass-pull.

>>720169519
>restating present ideas
So like anime then

>>720170486
>I guess David Lynch never made anything good
Nta but correct.

>>720170486
No, if you make a stupid story you are a stupid writer, and seeing the kind of crap Kojima comes up with I think he's genuinely low IQ.

>>720170528
Some anime, sure. Long anime for kids do this. Because they're long and for kids.

>>720170594
You're Indian.

>>720170502
>The moment Liquid's arm took over Ocelot's body the series went to shit. It's not cool shaman shit like with Raven, it's just an ass-pull.

Backtracking on the ass-pull with another ass-pull retcon was worse. It's so fucking obvious the "self-hypnosis" shit in MGS4 was never planned, since its literally Liquid's voice actor in MGS2 when he takes over Ocelot. If you're gonna be stupid, at least stick to your guts and don't backpedal

>>720148979
I already helped the pilgrim reach the enclave and with his medical supplies, thats why I know it isnt him
Also what do I do with this? I dont want it to die of malnutrition

>>720170653
Indians would love MGS, they have the necessary IQ to not disregard MGS instabtly

>newfags falling for this guy again
love to see it

>>720170785
>t's so fucking obvious the "self-hypnosis" shit in MGS4 was never planned, since its literally Liquid's voice actor in MGS2 when he takes over Ocelot.
It's Liquid in MGS2 and hypnosis in MGS4. That's why Ocelot has a different arm in MGS4, he realized having the rage filled ghost of a spastic was a bad idea (in the world of MGS4, in MGS2 I guess he just thought it was funny).

>>720170786
THE IS ANOTHER BOMB

>>720170620
Most anime do, its the Japanese style of writing

>>720170890
>its the Japanese style of writing
It isn't.
And many anime do not.
They'll reiterate maybe base plot details, but many also just do that to dance around the abstract aspects of a series.

>>720170807
The only thing it's missing is dancing, honestly

>>720170785
Yeah for all the hype MGS2 gets it has some of the most retarded things in the series in it. Liquid Ocelot is without comparison the dumbest thing in the entire series. Something so stupid that had to find some bullshit excuse with the "lol I hypnotized myself to trick the patriots!" which itself makes zero sense.

>>720171043
Why does it make zero sense

>>720171043
>>720170785
This hyper-fixation on what is and isn't "serious" is why video games will never be a serious artform, because the people consuming them are hyper fixated on everything being grounded in absurd degrees of verisimilitude and can't handle anything on the conceptual level. It needs to be immediately applicable to reality or it's worthless.

We're currently at the stage of "this thing is bad because it couldn't happen in real life". There's no greater method or reasoning, no examination of themes or greater narrative, just "Ghosts doesn't possess people in real life".

>>720171260
Damn nigga, damn

>>720170286
The body double is a great idea. XOF is a stupid though.

>>720171260
No, it's just humor doesn't belong outside of comedies, and stupid shit will be stupid no matter what.

>video games will never be a serious artform
Good, maybe writers will finally stop trying and we can go back to focusing on mechanics

>>720171427
>No, it's just humor doesn't belong outside of comedies, and stupid shit will be stupid no matter what.
Says who? Is Star Trek no longer SF because it had a very silly episode about heightened emotions? Is Lost Highway no longer a horror drama because of the tail gating scene? Is The Last Wish no longer a fantasy work because Geralt is incredibly funny? Is The Monogatari Series no longer a character drama because it utilizes comedy in every single episode?
>Good, maybe writers will finally stop trying and we can go back to focusing on mechanics
And the best question of all-
Are you ACfag?

>>720144474
Kojima did him dirty

>>720171019
I watched shows like monster and berserk. They do the same shit
>abstract
Many anime like to throw shit on the wall because its cool looking. Neon genesis evangelion is the best example of that

>>720171705
Bad ending music is better tho

>>720170885
Kek

>>720171808
Is it worth it tho?

>>720171934
Yeah, fuck that bitch, she cucks him in the nes game

>>720171119
>>720171260
>"hurr its a video game anything can happen durr!"
By the games internal logic it makes no sense. If Ocelot wanted another arm attached after his was cut off, why would he specifically go out to retrieve the body of Liquid for his arm? Why not get any other number of transplants or even a robot or synthetic arm when its established that those exist in this world?

Also, why would Liquids arm control Ocelot? It wasnt a brain transplant or anything like this, but its said its his "soul" which also makes no sense. Why would his "soul" reside in his arm and from there possess Ocelot? His soul didnt go into the afterlife? Or if it stayed on earth, why specifically stay in that arm and not the rest of him?

This is never explained by any in world sci-fi or mythical logic the game series operates on and its never shown in any other circumstance. Narratively, its also nonsensical and means nothing. Hehe guess what? Ocelot was faking the whole time anyway because...ugh...it tricked the patriots in some sort of vague way?

>>720171043
>Liquid Ocelot is without comparison the dumbest thing in the entire series.
I agree it's stupid though it's not the stupidest thing in Metal Gear. Its biggest issue in MGS2 is that the game just doesn't really have room for it so it's just absurdity for the sake of absurdity. It doesn't really add much to the story.

>>720172001
NES games are not canon, none of em.

>>720171663
Again. humor where it doesn't belong it's a red flag that shows the writer's insecurity in his own writing skills
>look, I turned this into a joke, if you laugh at it it's because I totally meant it
Something that has plagued modern media particularly hard.
Doesn't help that this humor is just never funny.
Oh, Kaz is making hamburgers, truly hilarious, the peak of comedy.

>Are you ACfag?
Who?

>>720172019
>This is never explained
Take it as character building retard.
Many things are unexplained across MGS and especially in MGS2, specifically to allow for player interpretation. MGS4’s definitive reasoning wasn’t planned for that reason, it was a game designed to be viewed in the abstract.

>>720172019
NOOOOO YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND SAAR HIS FATHER WAS A SPIRIT MEDIUM OR SOMETHING AND THAT'S WHY HE GETS POSESSED BY LIQUID'S SOUL! THE MORE BULLSHIT GETS ADDED THE MORE IT MAKES SENSE!

>>720172019
In universe Ocelot is the son of a powerful medium so it's pretty easy to imagine he would get possessed by the vengeful spirit of Liquid, who would probably not move on from the Earthly world very quickly. The meta reason though, I always understood it as an absurdist parody of sequels bringing villains back in inexplicable ways.

>>720172168
>retard can’t respond at all
>basically just says “there’s only comedy and drama, and they can never ever ever intersect”
I am willing to bet the depth of your experience with media is Star Wars tier shit for kids and video toys.

>>720172168
>Oh, Kaz is making hamburgers, truly hilarious, the peak of comedy.

>>720172168
You watched YouTube videos about self deprecating jokes and made your entire personality “comedy = bad”

>>720172175
>>720172225
Duality of a brown

>>720172263
The thing is this isnt even comedy to begin with, its dumbass shit like dudes pissing themselves.
It feels like Kojima is just a genuinely stupid person.

>>720171260
>video games will never be a serious artform
Kojima himself doesn't think video games are art. Film, literature and music are the only entertainment that are legitimate art forms.

>>720172460
Seems like a sore spot, pissboy

>>720172367
No, I watched too much media obsessed with ruining a story's tone to deliver jokes that wouldn't make a toddler laugh.
Doesn't help that this humor is genuinely stupid everytime.
Star Trek is maybe the biggest example among TV shows and why I find it unbearable.

>>720172460
>it’s stupid
And?
Yeah dude, Citizen Kane has Welles tearing shit up, it’s stupid and silly too, and that film is still studied to this day.
You’re just going
>this is stupid
>so it’s bad
You’re so unwilling to think that you can’t even explain why something is bad beyond “It just is”.

>>720172504
>that tranny oscarbait film is art
>radio pop music is art
>porn novels for women in every book store is art
>video games about guys shooting each other will never be art
sadge

>>720172595
>all humour ruins the tone of a story
You absolutely only watch YouTube videos and play video toys.

>>720172569
Oh no, the rest are much better, like the epic as fuck fart guy, or Ocelot meowing, or Big Boss believing in Santa Claus, very funny.

>>720172595
YOU FUCKED UP MY FACE

>>720172715
Considering video game discussion is still in the depths of “This isn’t like real life, so it’s bad”, yeah, games aren’t art.
Art is a two party process. Subject and spectator.

>>720172715
We are talking about mediums. Bad art can exist

>>720172798
oh so trannies are heckin' valid and real and the movie is a legitimate work of art? got it :)

>>720172718
Nice projection, sorry that I prefer when writers know what they are doing.
There's a reason why this obsession with forcing humor where it doesn't belong it's mostly done in blockbuster slop like MGS, superhero movies or Star Wars.

>>720172168
Levity and humor can absolutely exist in serious works without shattering the credibility of the writers. Shows like Breaking Bad are a good example.

>>720173065
What does it add? All it does is break the tone for no reason.

>>720140872 (OP)
at least Big Medic got to fuck Chic-- i mean, Quiet

>>720172952
They’re actually engaging with their chosen media in terms of art and artistry, so yeah.
Video games is still all about technical shit and all discussion surrounds that. Nobody would call films art if all discussion was focused on the quality of the camera and the detail of the props. Nor would anyone consider literature as holding artistic merit if all people talked about was how close to life the writing was.

>>720173225
I forgot MGSfags unironically wanted a female character to be a tranny.
Definitely the biggest subhumans in /v/, glad the franchise is dead

>>720173280
Being considered art would more Kojima types so I'm glad it's not.

>>720173142
>What does it add?
Depends on the work. Some can be dramedies or tragicomedy. Other works use the juxtoposition of humor and seriousness to have a surreal element to the story. Point being that humor in itself is a tool writers can use to enhance their work.

>>720173015
>mostly done in [the only shit I’ve seen]
Cool anonymous
You do realize most things use humour, right?
Lynch was mentioned earlier because he’s one of the most celebrated directors in film, and all his stuff is very silly. You ever read Doyle, or Ellison or Asimov? All accomplished writers, all can be very funny when they feel like it.
I know some retards on this site love bringing up 1974, but adjacent to that was Animal Farm, a very serious book about animals on a farm revolting to make a socialist state, and the final page is one depicting literal capitalist pigs.

>>720173142
This is a literal Indian mindset.
You’re Indian.

>>720172661
>Citizen Kane
>scene meant to advance the plot
>MGS
>dumb shit Kojima thought would be funny because he's mentally 5

>>720173328
>unironically wanted a female character to be a tranny.
That was always a joke and troll theory

>>720173564
>>720173328
I think Kojimbo wanted to but Konami red lighted it

part of the reason they eventually fired him

>>720173541
>meant to advance the plot
It didn’t. It could be cut with no real consequence to the “plot”.
Meanwhile, with MGS, Ocelot pissing his pants is an actual narrative tool that helps identify his sister in MGS2, and Liquid Ocelot is the reason Snake and Raiden survive the climax of MGS2. That’s actually advancing the plot.

>>720169003
>Best ___________ were developed when ______ didn't have full control and was restricted.
as ive grown older this template can be applied to anything and is 100% true.

>>720173484
>>mostly done in [shut I hated]
Fixed.
>You do realize most things use humour, right?
And it never adds anything of value, it sticks out like a sore thumb.
It just makes me wonder if the writer had a sudden lapsus.

>>720173540
Again MGS redditor, indians are exactly the kind of subhumans with an IQ low enough to eat this shut up.

>>720169003
Kojima has had full control over everything he worked on since Snatcher on Sega CD (specifically that version).
Retards genuinely think he was being controlled by someone else on MGS when he was the guy making the most distinct title on the system with basically no caveats in his declared vision short of technical limitations.

>>720173689
Another thing to the list of shit /v/ makes up about MGSV

>>720173930
Indians are the only people who think humour only exists in comedy movies dumbass

>>720174016
like it or not this theory has legs

>>720173930
>I am smarter and more well informed on the specifics of writing than the entire canon of several mediums
This is how I know you’ve only seen superhero movies.

>>720174026
Indians are the kind of subhumans who eat anything up and have zero standards, a requirement for the franchise of "soldier genes" and people hypnotizing themselves.

>>720174102
You have a lot of self hate for your shit coloured skin, huh?

>>720174101
If I did I'd be one of those that eats up MGS.

>>720174163
The arguing skills of an an MGSfag.
Same people who bring us gems like this >>720174072
I'm glad this franchise is done for

>>720174179
Nah, because you’re a pseudo intellectual.
You don’t read literature or philosophy. You don’t watch arthouse. You’re a poser.
You’re saying literally every notable author was writing wrong, every notable director was making films wrong, and I’m sure you’ll do something retarded and implicitly underage like post a chad image, but this is genuinely embarrassing.

You are not as intelligent as you think you are, and that is a very difficult place to be.

>>720174072
Lol epic as fuck xDD

>>720174348
There is plenty of media that doesnt waste its time with jokes though.
I dont remember any humor in Apocalypse Now, or any of Orwell's novels, or Blood Meridian.

>>720174072
Sure if you are a low IQ untermensch

I'll never get why Kojima went for military settings when he has zero clue about warfare, guns, fighting or geopolitics

>>720174072
hmmm... it has legs AND balls

>>720174550
>Apocalypse Now
Willing to doubt you watched it beyond a second monitor since it has plenty of funny scenes. One that comes to mind is the canteen scene.
>Orwell’s novels
I literally brought him up earlier to talk about Animal Farm, a serious book about talking animals that ends, ostensibly, on a joke. Literal capitalist pigs.
>Blood Meridian
Did you even read that one?

It’s also pretty funny that the only things you bring up are normalfag tier shit. Won’t ever catch you reading anything from the five foot shelf I guess, not till a YouTuber talks about it at least.

>>720174835
> it has plenty of funny scenes
I watched it yesterday, closest to humor is when one of the men rushes to grab the surf board.

>Literal capitalist pigs.
That was supposed to be a joke?

>Did you even read that one?
Did you?

>It’s also pretty funny that the only things you bring up are normalfag tier shit.
And most of it is trash precisely due to forcing humor where it doesnt belong

>>720174824
>>720174072
Yes MGS leftoids, le epic trannies, now kill yourselves like your franchise

>>720175063
So you were barely paying attention to Apocalypse Now and you did never read Blood Meridian since the majority of McCarthy’s writing is tragicomedy, including that. It’s dark humour.
As for Capitalist Pigs, yeah, that’s the joke. It’s dark to kids I guess, but any adult reading it will instantly recognize the bitter humour in the idea of pigs on two legs consorting with man to oppress their fellow animal.

And then you end off by saying all of this was trash for having comedy anyways, so I presume you actually like literally nothing because you’re an autistic sperg.

>>720174767
>>720174767
his geopolitics are pretty good, but military stuff relies on military advisors. So blame theme if you have issues with that. Of course he used that setting back in the 80s because Contra and 80s nation movies of that type were popular.

>>720175337
>any adult reading it will instantly recognize the bitter humour in the idea of pigs on two legs consorting with man to oppress their fellow animal.
No, I don't think that's funny at all, and neither was Blood Meridian.
You seem to have a very broad definition of humor.

>>720175740
Well you probably didn’t because you didn’t read them, otherwise you’d be seething over how McCarthy’s writing style makes his work impossible to take seriously, given your absurdly high standards of “no humour ever”.

>>720175867
>McCarthy’s writing style makes his work impossible to take seriously
And I'm done, you definitely fit in an MGS thread.

>>720176005
I was speaking from your perspective anon, not my own.
Humour is the greatest sin of all, but completely lacking any real punctuation or adherence to common rules of grammar is… not? Weird priorities I have to say, but it would make sense if you experienced these books via YouTube videos or audiobooks. Something that would obscure these factors from you.

>>720176135
>completely lacking any real punctuation or adherence to common rules of grammar is… not?
English isn't my first language.
Definitely the level of discussion expected from the fans of soldier genes.

And another thread of MGSfags seething MGSV was not a movie
Wonder if they'll ever commit suicide over it.