Thread 720147281

Best Metroidvania, coming through.

I finally got around to playing Magnolia and I have newfound appreciation for Lilies because of how hard Magnolia dropped the ball.

>>720147281 (OP)
Have people who post shit like this actually played the classics first before asserting these opinions?

>>720147457
Do you play as a cute loli in those?

>>720147281 (OP)
Good OST, good art. Story is pretty cool, delivered in a dumb way. I like it that your character changes as you progress. IDK if it is the best one but I enjoyed it.
I think my favorite is Castlevania Circle of the Moon, simply because I love a magic card combination system.

>>720147281 (OP)
That's not Shadow Man.

>>720147370
Wait, what? I thought the sequel was a direct improvement. Is it really that bad?

>>720147281 (OP)
BASED!

>>720147281 (OP)
pedophiles will burn in hell.

Thank you Jesus.

>>720150154
Not that anon, but IMO it's a sidegrade in terms of gameplay and level design and it loses a bit of the charm of the first game. It feels more "gamey", if you know what I mean.

>>720147281 (OP)
>i-frame slop
Nope

>>720147785
yes.

>>720150154
>>720150970
However, I think Magnolia's soundtrack is better.

>>720150154
Magnolia is nice and fun but it completely lost the SOUL that Lilies had. The bgm is pure kino though.

Play Ree's game.

very good games, but the second was kinda of disappointing if only compared to the first, which is almost a masterpiece

I wish we had more mana-punk setting in videogames

>>720150154
Worse or side grade on everything and do mean everything except bosses.

>>720151228
>>720151129
Completely disagree but that's just my opinion man

>>720147281 (OP)
That would be prince of persia the lost crown

>>720151919
Fuck off ubisoft

>>720151894
I didn't said that it was better than Lilies though. I just said it was pure kino.

>>720147281 (OP)
I remember pirating this and thinking it played like complete shit

>>720152013
Ubisoft killed the game and studio

>>720152025
Fair enough. I did like it especially after the first stratum but not nearly as good or impactful as lilies imo

>>720151260
I tried this once and felt it was too floaty for my tastes.

>>720152096
but enough about hk/ss

>>720147281 (OP)
Too reliant on cooldown timers, a goyslop mechanic.

>>720151260
It's on my wishlist

>>720152541
It's 5 bucks at the moment.

>>720151260
It looks more like anime HK than a Metroidvania. And no HK is not a Metroidvania it just has some elements

lilies is great and so is magnolia!

>>720152603
Yeah I know. I have a fuck ton of games to play so I'm not rushed

>>720152743
It's much closer to SotN than HK.

>>720147281 (OP)
No sorry Magnolias is better than Lillies in every way and Lillies is still a good game.

>>720152834
>Much more SotN
Meh I have 2 team lady bug games I want to play/replay first then

>>720147281 (OP)
Level design seems markedly amateurish starting from the very beginning and bosses/combat are badly designed

It's not even a good game and is the type of shit that babies play and older games skip over because we have had many better experiences

>>720153320
This is not a silksong thread

>>720153320
>It's not even a good game and is the type of shit that babies play and older games skip over because we have had many better experiences
Older gamer here who grew up in the 90's and still plays the games from back then. Ender Lilies is great and I didn't give you permission to speak for me.

Lillies was great and imo Magnolia was even better, though I understand some find it a bit streamlined
Nine Sols is the goatvania though
How's Tails of iron?

>>720154235
I don't like tails of Iron, too difficult on normal. It's mostly duels.

>>720147785
>>720151073
>>720147281 (OP)
>Play as the little girl
>Not as the badass knight who protects the little girl
Holy fucking wasted.

>>720154926
Depending on your perspective you actually do play as the knight protecting the little girl

>>720154926
You play as both at once, along with other spirits who all work together to protect Lily.

>>720155085
It's not depending on your perspective, really. Only the basic movement and a couple of abilities are you controlling Lily, everything else is you directly controlling a spirit.

>>720155085
>>720155306
Compare to Magnolia, where you're controlling the girl who's controlling the spirits through her magic.

>>720153320
>Level design seems markedly amateurish
Exactly my thoughts
It felt like I was playing an unusually pretty newgrounds game

>>720147370
I think Magnolia did everything better except the art and the music (and those are pretty major).

>>720151129
The Steel District song was fantastic but I can't remember most of the other songs.

>>720150154
Loli isnt as cute and thats literally all anybody ever cared about with this series

>>720147281 (OP)
One thing I loved about the ending was how she gathered all the Priestesses up at the end and gave them a proper burial. Such a great solemn note to end on.

>>720151260
I did. Kinda too easy, adavanced include, basically you have to ignore potions and faster healing otherwise you can just power through every encounter. I liked world and movement overall.
They really should've cut down on long npc talks and instead make actual ending sequence. '10 endings' just annoyed me and soured final stretch of game. 42's story felt not needed.
Overall still solid 8.

>>720150154
I liked sequel. It's competent, but after Lilies it felt quite safely made. It lacked something to stand on its own.

>>720155795
People don't love Lilac? Do they have brain damage or something?

>>720147281 (OP)
Abysmal combat and level design. You like it solely because of muh little girl.

>>720147281 (OP)
These games are dogshit. They look like dogshit flash games with tweaned animations, the level design is extremely low tier and amateurish. The entire game just feels like a cheap, shitty parody of a FROM game

>>720147281 (OP)
2D platformers with i-frames are too simple, because simply phasing through the enemy is a safe and correct action 98% of the time.

>>720156064
I prefer wheelchair robot

Combat was boring, platforming was dull, level design was bland. Music and art were okay and that's about it.
If it weren't for the loli playable character none of you would even give a shit about this game

metroidvanias are good in theory, but they all suck in practice

they either have
shitty clunky gameplay
or they are way too easy
or they are filled with extremely grating leftist writing

Have you guys ever played pic related? I thought it was pretty fun.

Another point against Ender Flowers; basically all the traversal power ups you get throughout the games do not challenge your skill in any way, but simply act as keys.
>now I have the dive attack, which I will use at the designated dive attack floor
Your upgrades shouldn't just be keys, but a new way to test you. When Metroid gives you the speed boost, it expects you to find a path to reach max speed, and not hit anything along the way while traversing it.

I still like the games because this image is my fantasy.

>>720156710
HK, Prime 2, Nine Sols.

>>720156474
>I prefer wheelchair robot
L-lewd

>>720156861
Did you even beat the game? The gates that you need to dive/dash through have varying thicknesses that require longer leadups, which are used to create puzzles and platforming challenges.

>>720150154
In terms of gameplay it's a huge improvement. Parry feels a bit too broken and I feel like some of the later areas are rushed. However in return it lacks in other areas. The story feels inconsistent, thrown together and disconnected e.g. one of the character never interacts with two of the bosses despite all of them being connected. The endings are pretty mediocre and the MC feels like a side grade. Lilies despite being your typical dead world did a much better job here especially with her corrupting over the time. The atmosphere is much better even when there is barely any interaction between the character.

>>720147370
>No consumable abilities
>No contact damage
>Better bosses
Magnolia clears

>>720150154
Magnolia is ok. Certainly better than Silksong. It's worst offense is that it automaps in a way that always tells you if something is still hidden, which kills the feeling of discovery. Lilies is better.
Basically every metroidvania other than Dread is better than Silksong.
Symphony of the Night, Circle of the Moon, Aria of Sorrow
Grime, Death's Gambit, Axiom Verge, Bloodstained

>>720147370
I like both but I actually like Magnolia more so I can't agree with this at all.

>>720147370
What? I get preferring the art direction, the music or the setting of Lilies but from a gameplay perspective Magnolia is basically better in every single way.

>>720147281 (OP)
For me is Ulv
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2tXoMkngPt4

>>720156064
Yes, they have brain damage. I fucking loved Lilac, she's an absolute cutie.

>>720156064
I like her but the mandatory amnesia is retarded.

>>720157978
>It's worst offense is that it automaps in a way that always tells you if something is still hidden
This is exactly what I liked in both Ender games cause you don't have to autistically search every corner to get all upgrades.

>>720157978
>Axiom Verge
lmao

>>720157978
>which kills the feeling of discovery. Lilies is better.
But Lilies did that as well?

>>720157978
Bloodstained sucked.

>>720149151
Based, Shadow Man is amazing. Nu /v/ is far too fucking gay to enjoy such kino.

>>720147281 (OP)
Ftfy OP

Order of Ecclesia is the best non-indie Metroidvania though.

>>720156739
Played it. It's basically an NES game in every way.

>>720158736
This game fucking SUCKS.

>>720158736
Is the game on your image bad? I have seen /v/ bashing it to no end.

>>720157978
>Basically every metroidvania other than Dread is better than Silksong.
are we really at this point in the contrarianism "new bad" phase that we're arguing that Axiom Verge is better than silksong.
Silksong is good, it's just not 10/10 and it's worse than HK. But it's still good.

Actual best vania cumming through

>>720159503
I played the first one.

>>720156064
I found Lilac to be the cuter protagonist honestly. I love that dainty little tomboy.

>>720150154
I'd say mostly a sidegrade. The gameplay and map is better. The setting, atmosphere and story are worse though. I cried like a bitch at the end of Lilies.

I hope they continue the series.

>>720158874
What does that even mean?

>>720159764
I'm sure they will, the lack of a third, "true" ending screams sequel bait to me.

>>720147281 (OP)
I put 9 hours into it and didn't feel like playing anymore. I don't think it's bad but there's nothing pulling me back to it.

>>720156064
Lily is just hard to surpass, a scared little girl that pushes on and sacrifices herself to purify the place, she is trying her damn hardest, she is doing her absolute best.

Lilac is just too mature and capable and is not sacrificing anything, she is amnesiac too, so there is nothing to lose, it is almost as if she is doing it for the sake of it, no stakes, no sacrifices no superior motives, her haircut is also ugly.

>>720158736
heh this one I was super hyped for, just like for Ender Magnolia, and it was 10x worse. I don't know why I still hope for Inti to make something good...

>>720158460
>I like her but the mandatory amnesia is retarded.
I didn't really get that. The amnesia made sense in the first game because Lily didn't have amnesia, you were newly cloned and the former life of Lily you are retracing through visions and lore drops to "regain your memory" was another clone whom you mistook for yourself.
For Magnolia however, I don't feel like the plot was effected at all by the amnesia. Lilac already had no clue about the grand overarching plot, all they would have needed to change was a few "who are you"s to "nice to see you again"s. If it's for narration purposes then make Nola the character with memory issues and have Lilac explain shit to her as an inverse to the relation between the Knight and Lily. Lilac is supposed to be more skilled ad competent than Lily so it would fit her character for her to have a handle on the situation.
It feels like the amnesia plot never amounts to anything in Magnolia and they only put it there to not stray to far from Lily.

>>720160172
>It feels like the amnesia plot never amounts to anything in Magnolia and they only put it there to not stray to far from Lily.
I don't think it's got anything to do with Lilies, it's simply that playing as an established character that never appeared in any other game is weird.

>>720159503
despite the world map the stage based format makes it more of a classicvania and not a metroidvania
and from a purely gameplay perspective it's not that great.

>>720159764
>>720159910
They did fantasy and sci-fi, what's next? Urban? Eastern fantasy? Western? Industrial?

>>720160346
Probably eastern.

>>720160346
Gotta be Eastern, they teased it hard with weeaboo Declan.

Declan did nothing wrong, if you had the ability to make waifubots you will also make a giant palace and fill it with sexbots, don't lie to yourself.

>>720160082
>her haircut is also ugly.
Asymmetrical bobs are cute and if you don't agree you are going to hell!

>>720147370
john magnolia is just too much of a downgrade compared to her perfect predecessor

>>720160708
Etna is in hell, send me right away dood.

>>720156739
Yeah. I'm not as positive about it, it doesn't feel good as a metroidvania. I'd get an upgrade, use the upgrade, then I couldn't even go one screen without them going 'haha sorry we were joking you need a completely different upgrade too'. Diminishing returns on health tanks was some real bullshit, too, given how far out of the way most of them are and how few you can find.
If it were just trying to be an action-platformer game it would probably be fine and that's all they call it on the store page outside of the user tags. However all the visuals/progression design signal that it's supposed to be a metroidvania, when it's just not competitive as one

>>720156064
idc about the loli angle but it's a step down

>Lorna, Lilac, Levy, and Lilly all in the same game
Magnolia was good to people with a certain preference. I hope the next game continues this.

>>720147370
>>720155795
>>720156064
>>720160082
Damn, where did all the tomboy enjoyers go?

>>720160847
I really thought this chick was going to end up a secret boss. She just casually got to all the scariest places in the land before you did, with no fucking problems

>>720160172
The plot feels like something that was reworked mid development and then they tried to make the best out of it. Motley never interacts with either Gilroy or Declan despite their relationship being part of a lot of notes and cutscenes. Reibolg feels incomplete and they didn't even give him a cutscene, Luiseach you don't need to defeat in theory and she adds nothing really to the story, Lorna is just there to give you a different perspective Albelia who probably was supposed to be the antagonist but not really anymore? Lilacs backstory is surprisingly uninteresting other than the baby part and the big "twist" at the end isn't really exciting either.

>>720161114
I thought she was going to fucking die.

>>720147281 (OP)
i dont like the artstyle :( i wish i wasnt so picky with this shit

>>720161168
Too strong to be killed. I would not be surprised if you saw her in the sequel as some kind of traveling merchant, i would really like that.

>>720150154
It's feels better to play. The atmosphere is different from Lilies where that one felt more desolate while this one is more magical and you feel like you aren't alone. Scratches different itches.
Magnolia's final boss is completely fucking flaccid though and the story isn't as engaging to me.

>>720147281 (OP)
>playing a game with "lilies" in the title
gay

>>720161114
I forget where the game mentions it, but it does say that she's the bastard child of one of the noble houses, meaning she has some amount of priestess blood in her. I bet she also has Lily's dive move complete with generous i-frames to avoid any danger.

>>720161359
>Magnolia's final boss is completely fucking flaccid though
I loved it. Lilies didn't even have a proper final boss, just that shitty Blighted Lord mob spammer.

>>720156739
It's was pretty good, however I hated the La-Mulana tier bullshit puzzle at the end, only for another bad ending. At least it's optional

>>720156739
is the sequel out yet?

>>720147281 (OP)
It's good but I think its aesthetic value does a lot of heavy lifting for it.

>>720147370
It is worse but I don't think it was a significant step down. Narratively Lilies was definitely better but I still don't think the narrative is that great in Lilies.

This is the Metroidvania that impressed me most in recent memory, but I still like ones with loads of items and abilities like Aria of Sorrow the most. I hope the new Bloodstained is good.

>>720150154
I liked it much more than lilies

>>720159807
Barely functional graphics, high difficulty, low quality of life, mechanically simple.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z2MqThIzAss
The soundtrack is really good, I love how hopeless everything felt.

>>720150154
>I thought the sequel was a direct improvement
It is, devs fixed every single aspect of gameplay. The game's great, only the last area was a bit of a letdown.

>>720161114
She's just a professional loot goblin, don't question her ways.

>>720161114
The bird guy was holding her back, when she got a new robot she unleashed her true potential.

>>720163946
To be fair, his abilities were pretty shit, now that I think back to it

>>720159148
>implying AV is bad
fuck you

>>720164723
The drill is okay when you can first get it, but he really gets good when you get the witch and can fire them both off together and stop using your main attack completely

I thought the opposite when the game first came out, but after having time to let it sink in I have to say:
hearts stay unchanged > bulbel

>>720147281 (OP)
I do not want to play as a pedo girl.

>>720160523
>>720160416
bwehhhhhh. I don't. Nippon tower was the worst part about magnolia

>>720164723
>laughs in drill buttfucking bosses

>>720165019
The girl is not a pedophile.

>>720147281 (OP)
*AHEM*
Really just about any team ladybug but luna nights is probably their second best game. Ender games are probably my favorite non metroid metroivania by a mile I just wanted to post synchronicity

>>720147370
Nigger what? Magnolia did almost everything better than Lilies.

>>720165693
to each their own. I am also of the opinion basically everything was worse despite being "updated". And before you say anything about nostalgia I literally played them back to back

>>720147281 (OP)
this game would have been utterly forgotten if the protagonist wasn't a loli

>>720147281 (OP)
thats not afterimage OP

>>720166027
Sure just ignore the god tier art direction and music and the competent combat and exploration. No it's just because of the loli. You're right. How astute of you anon. You're so smart.

>>720166027
Loli protagonists should be more frequent, they ARE a selling point for me and most of /v/.

>>720164875
Never said that.

>>720147281 (OP)
But that is not salt&sanctuary

>>720166295
As much as people say
>heh indie games are flash games hurr durr
Salt and sanctuary actually felt like a game you would see on stickfigure battleground or whatever it was called

>>720147281 (OP)
Is NuGod of War a Metroidvania? Why or why not? I think it is:
>Hub World Design
>Different Levels that branch out and loop back into itself
>Progression locked behind movement abilities, keys, and story
>Gear & RPG Stats
>HP/Mana Upgrades behind collectibles
I think it's more of a Metroidvania than a Soulslike. The enemies don't typically respawn, there aren't campfires to heal at and no estus flasks.

>>720166596
If it's not a platformer, it's not a Metroidvania. It's a Zelda clone.

>>720166596
(you)

>>720166027
Yea cause every lolige just magically does well. Retard.

>>720166596
roguelike vs roguelite discussion. It may be influenced by metroidvania game design but it certainly isn't one. Honestly most games people are metroidvanias are more accurately SotN clones or inspired

>>720149151
That's the correct answer, but /v/ is not ready for this. Still, Lilies has good atmosphere, Magnolia has good gameplay

>>720166696
Which Zelda would it be the closest to? Windwaker because of the boat parts

>>720166740
>>720166154
>replying to the 5th guy saying the same shit but why though

>>720166596
I think that in the strict sense of the word, metroidvanias must be 2D side scrollers to qualify as a true metroidvania.

Ender Lilies is kino but for me i will keep shilling Nine Sols in Metroidvania threads even if it can hardly be considered one
i like metroidvania's because i like the 2d combat but i hate backtracking, so Nine Sols perfected the "genre" for me

>>720166845
sure

>>720166845
I don't know, I don't play Playstation movieslop.

>>720166814
I think people call too many metroid clones - metroidvanias. The term was coined for SotN, if you're not an RPG, you're just another Platformer like Metroid. Metroid isn't a Metroidvania, it's Metroid. OG Castlevania isn't a Metroidvania, it's Castlevania. You have to be influenced by SotN more than Metroid to be a Metroidvania.

>>720166952
This post has made me remove it from the wish list. 80% of the fun is finding upgrades in metroidvanias and getting extremely strong very quickly from exploration not linear fights

>>720166901
So it's a hybrid of soulslikes / metroidvania, but not strictly either or. That's fair.

>>720167116
>You have to be influenced by SotN more than Metroid to be a Metroidvania
this but literally the opposite. Not that it matters since 90% of metroidvanias are 80% SotN

>>720167120
yeah it's not totally linear, you do have some options but you'll be disappointed if you play lke the genre for the exploration
the combat, story, characters, and music are all 10/10 though

Did anyone here play this?

>>720166952
Nine Sols is literally not a Metroidvania and everything you shill about it is why I don't like it. Combat is secondary to exploration in a metroidvania.

>>720167227
>lke
no idea how i typed that in there

>>720167120
Nine sols is structured like HK as in that you find amulets or whatever and set them to get an ability, you get those from exploring and what not.

Exploration usually leads to items you use for HP+

>>720167116
While it's true that an "Igavania" has loads of RPG elements, I'd be hard pressed to describe any Metroidvania game based around melee combat as closer to Metroid than SotN.

>>720167264
Nope, shill me on it.

>>720167413
It's a TRPG from the same studio. I was wondering if it was worth trying out.

>>720147281 (OP)
I actually really liked it, but I never finished it because I got stuck

>>720167504
>It's a TRPG from the same studio
huh?

>>720167358
Yeah, it's fair to say Metroidvania has become more of a catch-all term for all action based, map platformers. Sucks that Igavanias aren't as popular but it is what is.

>>720167504
Looks pretty generic, I wouldn't play it.
>>720167839
Adglobe, not live wire, binary haze is the publisher for both and both did the ender games.

>>720166154
I was falling asleep in 30 minutes, then I realized /v/ lied again

>>720168098
>binary haze is the publisher
then they don' t count lol. But yeah looks crazy generic

>>720168116
If it makes you feel better I feel like /v/ has shit taste right now

>>720168154
Not binary haze, but Adglobe does count.

Best metroidvania with the deepest lore coming through.

>>720168270
>*
Shit game and thank fuck I never played it

>>720168392
>Shit game and thank fuck I never played it
the quintessential insufferable /v/ subhuman. neck yourself

>>720168392
I hope you get a lot of upvotes when you screencap and crosspost this epic snarky diss to your favorite social media platform. :)

>>720157978
>Death's Gambit
God damn that was straight trash, homie

>>720168270
I didn't get the lore or story of salt, like, at all, where the fuck is the princess, and why was the god of whatever so fucking weak? He was literally just a guy with knifes, Is the scarecrow the final boss but like talking though the scarecrow? Did I already mention that the princess is nowhere to be seen, where the fuck did they took her?

>>720168669
Filtered gay baby.

>>720168807
You're a weird guy, bro

>>720156739
I'll play any game where I can roam around a space station or space ship

>>720169010
Filtered gay baby.

>>720168725
Anon, did you do the thief's questline? She was just some random hoe.

>200 posts
>still no mention of THE metroidvania
rabbit bros... are we forgotten?

>>720168270
I really wish someone made a regular RPG in this setting.

>>720168725
The princess may or may not have been an actual princess. You can find her attire in the game which suggests that she did exist but during dialogue with one of the NPCs, you have to accept that your princess may have been a slave in order to proceed, like the noble that Edward was escorting.
Which (I assume) boss exactly?
The Scarecrow is the mouthpiece of The Nameless God, yes.
If it weren't for finding the princess's dress (and her handmaiden's gear, for what its worth) you could assume that she didn't even exist and was simply an excuse for MC to quest on the island/get to the island.

>>720167264
Yep. I did like 8 maps and dropped it. Kinda mid desu.

>>720169378
I don't like this game cause it's too hard. I got filtered.

Why do I like first person dungeon crawlers but hate the ever-loving fuck out of Metroidvanias?

>>720169565
it is uniroincally the hardest metroidvania that I have ever played. It is pretty funny seeing tourists cry about silksong when the silly rabbit game is much harder

>>720156739
I admit I never finished it, but I did enjoy it. Thought the movements upgrades were satisfying and the grapple using your momentum is some good shit.
I initially wrote it off due to its art but ended up giving it a fair shot, can't remember why though.

>>720147370
>>720147281 (OP)
LILLIES HAD THE BETTER SOUNDTRACK, BUT GAMEPLAY GOES TO MAGNOLIA!

Fight me on this faggots!
You know im right!
Also, how dare you talk about good video games on /v/

Fuck you guys I like Lillies and Magnolia equally. The only bad thing I remember about Magnolia was that one boss in the factory that was brutal

>>720169424
The final boss is the guy with knives, he is weak as shit, literally just a guy in armor, and you become him after you kick his ass because???

>>720169858
>you become him after you kick his ass because???
Because Dark Souls.

>>720169565
I mean, you can lower the difficulty to a suitable level for you, I think hard is just right, some bosses will still make you sweat bullets.

What’s you faggots favorite ender magnolia song? https://youtu.be/6hUxkrAgRJY?si=VyHqyuiwym6BQ1sA Is mine

>>720169923
????
So you kind of...... become the guy to be the king of the zombie island, I guess?

I've never seen someone shill S&S that wasn't a massive fart sniffing, pretentious contrarian so on that reasoning alone I removed it from my wishlist since if that's the kind of people the game attracts it can't actually be good.

>>720170041
There was only 1 (one) track in magnolia that stuck with me, and is this one
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AgA4oQw4bfI

>>720156474
>>720157628
>>720159484
>>720159764
>>720160847
>>720165187
why the fuck is /v/ being cool today and why is wheelchair loli best summon.

Once i got her she was permanently on the team.
Her shield alone just fucks shit up for free.
>get close to boss or enemy
>summon shield
>stack on physcal attacks
>stay close to shield to draw boss back into it after the decide to dodge away to avoid constant damage
MY Nigg @

>>720170041
https://youtu.be/VWYE92hQac8?list=PLBO2h-GzDvIZu62ceyBW9jPmZNFh9dojk

>>720169858
The Nameless God? You can usurp his position, or you can leave the island. He wasn't a real God but he wanted to become one.

>>720161359
>Magnolia's final boss is completely fucking flaccid though and the story isn't as engaging to me.
gold knight was a MUCH BETTER final boss than corrupted maiden from lillies.

He was actually a challenge and not some push over enemy summoner.
Would have been more of a challenge if she summoned any enemy thruought the game

Have to say magnolia is fucking great and one of the few games that I 100% it

>>720170041
In no specific order:
Magic Coal Mine
Programming
V&D
Lily Tree
Hearts Stay Unchanged

>>720169585
Someone should answer my question.
They're both genres with a heavy emphasis on exploration.

>>720171162
Cause you have crippling autism.

>>720170310
All of those were from me except the first two and she was a permanent mainstay as soon as I got her as well. I liked the lighting skill she had the most. I didn't think the game was going to be cool enough to give me a loli summon but the madmen actually did it.

>>720171162
Why should we know anon? Think for yourself or ask grok

grime (after a bunch of patches and content updates) is one of my favorites
misbegotten amalgam and dreamborn terror are kino bossfights

>>720171208
Thanks.
>>720171264
I thought people might explain the minute differences between the genres despite their similarities that could cause such a drastic preference.

>>720171418
I don't know what to tell you chief. I like both but they're completely different. Maybe you like the resource management and long term planning of dungeon crawlers compared to the most fast paced and forward pushing momentum of a metroidvania. Maybe you just haven't played the right metroidvania that tickles your fancy. Could be anything. You need to give more details about WHY you don't like them.

How free are these games?

>>720170041
If I had to pick one, Symbiosis. Runners-up include Memories, The forsaken, Magic coal mine, A tragedy, and Root.

>>720171418
I don’t have the tism for that I just want to talk about ender magnolia

>>720171282
It's too bad GRIME 2 will be greatly overshadowed by Silksong, no matter how good it is.

>>720152176
They didn't, what happened was that the team behind the game within the studio was disbanded and moved to other projects. The studio is still up and running and even put out a video the other week hinting at a new Rayman.

>>720171418
Nigger is like comparing a 3rd person shooter with a first-person shooter and ask why you like one but not the other if they are both about shooting.

Too many factors, but for starters, they are completely different genres.

>>720171686
>the team behind the game within the studio was disbanded and moved to other projects
In other words, they killed the studio and it's being skinwalked.

>>720171536
>WHY you don't like them.
It's really only the backtracking and almost chore-like task of hunting down unseen pathways after you get a powerup.
Contrast this to dungeon crawlers where exploration and hunting down hidden pathways is much more enjoyable for me. Even in dungeon crawlers some doors are locked behind certain items or skills.
I really don't get it.

>>720171794
Not as far as we know, no. There was no mention of any firings iirc.

>>720171947
Wait, I'm an idiot, for some reason I assumed that meant they were shuffled around to other Ubisoft studios.

>>720172062
You're not an idiot, I think that's a common perception with Ubisoft because it has so many different branches/subsidiaries. But yeah, my understanding was that the PoP team remained within the Montpellier studio but are now working on other projects instead of the sequel they pitched.

any metroidvanias coming this year

>>720172620
GRIME 2, Yarden basically said that if they don't release in 2025 they'll go bankrupt.

>>720172620
Grime 2 is about the only one I recall.

>>720172620
There is an honest to god Metroid game coming, if Prime counts.

>>720169949
the bigger problem is when the boss starts to sweat bullets

Threadly reminder to play Vigil The longest night if you haven't already.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1jex4rxVJZM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x4jhE_MHVKg

>>720166154
The god tier art direction doesn't do anything when everything else looks like shit. The level design looks procedurally generated even if it isn't. It's literally all rectangles with enemies placed completely evenly and boringly, which are also not varied enough. The skill system is also ass. I legit don't understand what people see in Ender Lillies, the bosses are cool I guess but after beating two of them I had to call it.

>>720168270
god this game was so kino, such a shame about the sequel dropping the ball so hard

>>720173250
played this 3 years ago but I don't remember a whole lot of it, maybe it was alright? I remember it being a bit janky and some quests having really specific triggers almost requiring a guide for them which I didn't do so I missed out on a few judging by my cheevos, it seems I also seemed went for an axe build, not sure if those were good or not

>>720161168
I greatly appreciate the fact that Magnolia didn't go for "edgy" deaths.
It's an incredible subversion of modern expectations that the protagonist of the previous game shows up and she's still doing her own thing without a retarded twist.

All of the horror and dread is in the setting and the storytelling. They don't need to dangle characters in front of your face just to kill them for shock value. Pure class.

>>720173250
>>720174096
forgot pic

>>720171257
She was so busted. Definitely deserves that permanent slot. I really liked the way this game let you mix and match so you can just gave a ton of dudes passively doing shit for you.

Girls should not have short hair.

>>720170041
The Cavern/mine theme.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVXF--7c8TU&list=OLAK5uy_l9tHifqsbjGTjEAkHgfq0dcOlMXwis3LQ&index=12

Get some taste

>>720174096
There is a quest that you can fuck up but doing so only affect the ending, you can still fight all the bosses and do all the content even if you fuck up the quest.

>>720171257
Every single one of her abilities was good and I used them all at different points. My biggest regret is not finding her till extremely late since she isn't a requirement and she was somewhere weird

>>720172620
here's some shit from this year
>demajen.co.uk/retrospective.html

>>720147370
I just cant understand where people who dont agree with this are coming from. I cant even disagree because I have no idea how they even got there.

>>720170742
Both Ender Lillies and Ender Magnolia are great, it's hard for me to decide which one I liked better

>>720147281 (OP)
Just finished pic related. The game was short but good I wish the story were more developed

>>720175939
I mean, The Vagrant is a good game don't get me wrong, but it is not a metroidvania in any way, shape or form, the game is just a 2D action game with progression set in stone, much like Astlibra, which by the way you should play if you liked The Vagrant.

>>720176638
holy shit GOTTEM

I want more metroidvania allows breaking sequences like Rabi-Ribi. Is this ender lilies one of them?

>>720176873
It's weird how what use to be considered a core component of the genre turned into a rarity outside legitimate oopies oversights

>>720176873
Not really, but you can sometimes obtain items before you're supposed to with spirits that move you when you attack with them.

I think is worth to mention Valdis Story in this thread.

>>720176638
Steam tags mean jackshit.

>>720176873
You can do some movement fuckery by using certain spirits to reach areas out of order, alternatively you can take on bosses out of order.

I don't know what the hell people see in Ender Lilies. Everything is so basic and boring with a soundtrack that WILL put you to sleep.

>>720176952
yeah, it's upsetting when I discovered how linear Tevi was. Good gameplay though.

>>720177089
upgrades are literal keys but the combat is better than most at least

if this dudebro metroidvania can have sequence break and yours doesn't, you should be ashamed

>>720157978
>Axiom Verge
Environmental Station Alpha was far better.

>>720177559
I can't stand the shitty saturation and flash game tier animations.

>>720177690
the combat is truly good

>>720150154
My biggest story complaint about Magnolia is that there's bits and pieces or lore setting up a rogue White Priestess as a major bad guy and can apparently body-jack people and then you get to a later area and find out she just randomly got killed off-screen about 5 minutes before you arrived by a borderline literal who that you spoke to once about 15 hours previously and never saw again.

>>720177829
Combat can't carry a game alone, case in point Tevi, good combat, terrible everything else.

>>720177904
you must truly enjoy Naughty Dog games

>>720177982
There isn't a single naughty dog game that I like.

>>720158736
I'm torn because I like this game, but I don't like that they lock mandatory movement abilities behind level ups.
Thank fuck for that patch that lets you warp from the castle to your last used bench though. If people thought the runbacks in Silksong were crazy they would probably hang themselves if they had to play that.

I tried this game like 5 times and I can't get past 2 hours, it's honestly very boring. The music being a loop of 20 seconds or so doesnt help either

More metroidvanias where you play as cute little girls?

Is Magnolia longer than Lillies?

>>720178448
You fight one

>>720178448
Monster Tale for the DS

>>720178151
Nigger

What metroidvanias have good ranged gameplay? Like in Bloodstained you can use the gun with bullets and stuff and her magic isn't too bad either
Or with Castlevania OoE Shanoa, you can use a lot of shit at range.
Or actually in PoE the nebula whip was a good example too

>>720178573
Yes, by about 25%.

>>720178639
Cute. Is it good?

>>720178838
Touhou Luna Knight all your attacks are ranged except for the down + jump slide kick which is more a traversal power than an attack.

>>720178950
Is decent.

>>720178838
Rabi-Ribi

>>720156064
Lilac isn't cute at all.

>>720169731
>The gameplay went from 5/10 to 6/10 so that justifies every other area dropping by several points

>>720178448
Dragon Marked for Death. It's not really a "metroidvania" but it's still a fun 2D action game that lets you control a cute loli witch.

>>720179816
Yes she is, you have no taste.

>>720170448
Now consider the narrative element where Lilies' final boss is actually the culmination of the plot and Magnolia's final boss is just the same guy from the basic ending deciding he wants to fight harder this time. And then you make a major decision affecting the lives of everyone and no one in your party has anything to say about it aside from Nola.

>>720179946
I heard this game was shitass poopshit.
Is that the Megaman Zero artist?

>>720180016
My taste is that I like cute girls and not androgynous blobs with zero character.

I did Luiseach's level first and her fight was pretty tough. It was worth it because her tornadoes were fun to spam.

>>720180267
>I did Luiseach's level first
Literally fucking how

>>720180132
She's not androgynous, you are not a cute loli lover.

>>720180093
Well now you heard that it's good. It's not perfect but I liked it a lot at least.

>>720151260
I liked it but the shitty machine translation sure didn't do it any favours.

>>720158736
>Posts a terrible game and a terrible opinion
As a joke, right?

>>720174256
I think she was fine after the patch nerfed her a bit. I used her with a lightning build along with the witch tornado, lightning samurai skill, and sometimes the owl's lightning skill. The turret style gameplay was really fun in general once you got good at constantly deploying and recalling her. Very movement focused since sometimes you want to place her at the right angle for her skills to hit and you also need to stay close enough to keep her active.

>>720173803
>I legit don't understand what people see in Ender Lillies, the bosses are cool I guess but after beating two of them I had to call it.
You're still in the tutorial until you beat the third boss.

>>720167264
I started it a while back, haven't finished it yet, I'd guess I'm about 1/3 through. The plot is fairly barebones but the writing is quite good on a line to line basis. Combat is fairly simple and easy even on hard. Usually stages will give you an enemy to kill to end them but then there are a bunch of lore and item pickups throughout and getting those first is the bigger challenge. Cutscenes look really awkward. And the music is really good.

>>720180445
I meant right away, once it became available.

>>720152743
hk is more of a metroidvania than any other game you can mention not named super metroid or castlevania symphony of the night

Chasm is one of my top metrodivanias don't know why people underrate it

I disliked hollow knight I only finished it just to say I did

>>720181368
>hk hater adores chasm
it's like pottery at this point

>>720179946
>>720180093
DMFD isn't a metroidvania in any way and it's also complete shit.
>Is that the Megaman Zero artist?
Yes, the art is the only thing it has going for it.

>>720181368
>procedural maps

>>720181368
>I know let's take one of the defining parts of the genre and shit on it
It was a somewhat neat experiment but holy fuck the execution sucks cock.

>>720181368
It is just OK, average in every single aspect, and with some retarded choices like making some weapons that enemies drop be completely outclassed by the time you get them, worse yet those which are from enemies that you can only find after a point of no return at the end of the game.

The "roguelite" aspect of it is literally nothing interesting or special, and doesn't really make you want to replay the game at all.

>>720173853
Don't you guys like Monster Hunter?

>>720171282
I thought the content updates made Grime worse because they were focused on the platforming which was the game's worst element.

>>720181619
It's loosely procedural. There are set areas but their layouts are randomized

>>720182280
It's loosely shit too. Not complete shit but the only thing it does different is the pseudo procedural shit and semi randomized loot table

>>720182280
The layouts reuse the same rooms multiple times and there's nothing even remotely interesting about the rooms or the enemy placements. It's boring as fuck and only served to show why procedural maps are a bad idea, along with Sundered.

more desolate and grimdark metrovanias? God EL had such good atmosphere. It felt reminiscence of me playing fragile dreams farewell ruins of the moon on the wii

https://youtu.be/b92kgcSP5Ks?si=joTafbsP34gRf-Hl

>>720150154
I preferred Lillies because Umbral Knight is literally me.

The epitome of style over substance. Played through it a few months ago and I don't remember shit about this game. Sure looked nice, though.

>>720179434
Same.

>>720161097
Lilac isn't a tomboy, and a true tomboy enjoyer would know this. She's dainty and feminine as fuck. All you posers that think tomboy is an aesthetic are one degree of separation from being cuntboy loving faggots.

>>720157673
And you need to use sub attacks that at glance probably wouldn't be seen as traversal tools but are to reach a lot of hidden items as well.

>>720182714
Youre dead and tied to lands end?

>>720162878
Ulv was the only really good boss in Lilies, I didn't play Magnolia yet but I hope that they improved a lot in that regard.

>>720182757
hat too small

>>720183187
How about this?

>>720183214
acceptable

>>720183002
I'm not tied to lands end, I'm tied to the previous white priestess that my daughterfu saved until the old priestess dies of old age and my pact passes matrilineally to my daughter and we can be reunited.

>>720159910
What would a third ending add? I don't remember Magnolia having any loose ends.

>>720183345
They are literally tied to lands end anon. You WILL patiently away the return of your savior doiter after she has helped the other nations clear the blight

>>720160346
>They did fantasy and sci-fi
No, they did late renaissance to Victorian era. Next game will be proper sci-fi.

>>720147281 (OP)
Does the game get more interesting later in? I quit around the mushroom forest area.

>>720166596
The Jedi Survivor games are closer to metroidvanias, they have good platforming.

>>720183669
That's the second/third area depending how you take it and that was the point I got really invested into figuring out what the fuck happened

Every time I play one of these half rate clones it just makes me wish I was playing Symphony/Dread again. Indie devs are too obsessed with retardedly overlong games with pointless giant maps, ridiculous amounts of hitstop, and janky controls; they don't put enough thought into atmosphere/theme or how fun the game is to traverse. Hollow Knight is the perfect example, 40 hours is just insane for this kind of game. It vastly overstays its welcome at the 15 hour mark.

>>720182407
>>720182431
Make up your fucking mind retards. Do you hate it because it's procedural or because it's linear. These hylic tourists I swear

>>720147281 (OP)
final boss wasn't good enough, a trait shared by the sequel

>>720183908
>Do you hate it because it's procedural or because it's linear.
It's both you dumbass.

>>720174160
>multiple points of no return and missables
Miss me with that guide slop

>>720183908
>Different people have different opinions
Woah

>>720174278
Cute girls are cute even if their hair is short.

>>720183975
>brain damage

Just admit you're reddit fanboys who hates anything that isn't Funko pop knight lmao

Imagine cherry fanboys accusing anything else of being linear and having shit design. Hysterical

this game is fuarking awesome, really fun to play even if it had iframe dodge roll

>>720184025
Those cute girls are cute in spite of their short hair, not thanks to it. They would naturally be better with long hair.

>>720180132
Bobs are like the most popular hairstyle in Japan, get fucked.

>>720184007
>Trying to play off his opinion after looking retarded

Kys normie

>>720184103
>TLDR: Lilac is cute.

>>720154926
you kinda do, but-
>wanting to play as a generic knight
basic bitch

>>720184079
>Everyone who disagrees with me likes HK
Team Cherry make the worst fucking Metroidvanias on the market. Stop being retarded

>>720154926
the girl walks, the knight swings, just play it with somebody else

>>720184135
>normie
That's normal FAGGOT you FAGGOT

>>720184278
What metrodivania do you like then

>>720184079
I like Rabi-Ribi though, Chasm just sucks

>>720184341
Most honestly. My favorite developers of the past decade are ladybug and the ender guys.

>>720184312
I ain't gonna type all that you double nigger

>>720184361
Based rabbit bro
>Going to be 10 years old in 6 months
I hate it

i like lilies combat better

>>720184512
Same. I didn't like the more strict abilities in magnolia as well

>>720184341
Bloodstained. Yes new bloodstained cooming soon

>>720173250
I have that in my backlog but I remember not playing it because the devs said that they're close to the final update so I wanted to wait until then. I'm guessing that it's safe to start now since the devs are never getting around to finish that update?

>>720167839
they will never finish 9th sentinel sisters

>>720184714
nope. And thats ok.

Lilac is a slut

>>720147281 (OP)
i just wish the Parry wasn't so bad in Lilies. it feels useless since any decently strong attack just sends you into a knockback animation anyways.

>>720184783
Just use parry sub spirits.
The mimic is really strong.

Sure there is a punishable whiff animation if you fuck up, but otherwise it would be way too overpowered.

>>720184783
Parry is fine in lilies. It feels decently balanced considering most games overtune the fuck out of parrying

>>720177830
Yeah that was my biggest criticism too, I think Abelia!Joran (or someone else she bodyjacked after him) should have been the true ending final boss instead of Gilroy, but angrier at the very least. It would have been really cool if the boss fight had her attune your homunculi (maybe the ones you didn't have equipped) and use them against you

>>720185412
nah it sucked
>>720184783
agreed

>>720147281 (OP)
How long is it ?

>>720185459
My save with 100% completion is right at 20 hours. For just the story probably 12-15 maybe?

>>720185459
I 100% completed Lilies in about 20 hours and Magnolia in 25. If you hard focus the main progression only you could probably do them in 12-15 and 15-18 respectively

>>720185459
14cm long, enough to impregnate lilac.

>>720185459
This is 99% completion, the only thing I didn't do was grind to level 100 for the achievement.

>teleport to the cliffside hamlet
>just sit there and listen to the song
Probably my favorite song in the series
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RMRK2A6bXrs

wish more metroidvania is easier to 100% like ender series, one playthrough to 100%, no missable, probably the reason why i hate blasphemous, didn't know there is missable, and i have to play multiple run

>>720185951
Blasphemous was just really retarded at launch because there was an NPC that got their quest activated by entering the screen they were on even though you could enter that screen before having the ability needed to actually reach and interact with them and then they'd die after you killed a few more bosses without completing their quest so you'd get fucked out of their questline with no recourse or even any idea why.

>>720185459
10 inches unbuffed

>>720185658
12 hours is a fucking insane pace for 100% without guides but to be far for me I literally did while I was stuck in the hospital

>>720185951
I 100% Magnolia, but never did 100% Lilies. There's this one platforming challenge I remember I never figured out. I looked up a guide, and the solution was bonkers.

>>720147281 (OP)
is the platforming in Lilies supposed to feel bad? sometimes it feels like i'm braking it when i use the heavy attack in air to get a few pixels to grapple an edge

best one i played this year was blade chimera, shadow labyrinth close second.

>>720186501
You can just up the right side from the bottom

>>720186881
Have you played all of team lady bugs games? They are all about that good or better. Luna nights is fucking amazing and I don't care for 2who

>>720186193
I don't usually use guides but I can't say I remember for Lilies, though I do remember that I managed to miss every upgrade for basic sword knight until doing my final run around for things I missed at the end of the game. I don't remember if Lilies had the same map system as Magnolia where the map changes colour when you've found everything but in Magnolia I never felt the need for a guide because of that and I still similarly 99% beat that one in 17 hours.

With metroidvanias I do tend to blaze through them in just a few long sittings so I guess I keep the map fresher in my mind than most people would be able to.

>>720152743
>And no HK is not a Metroidvania it just has some elements
true

>>720147281 (OP)
excellent game with atrocious hitboxes

>>720186970
not yet, i played drainus shortly after and enjoyed that. i like their art style and the general polish to everything, so i probably will play luna nights and deedlit eventually.

>>720186881
Blade Chimera was almost great but it sucked how unlocking new areas was purely via the story opening doors for you rather than from getting new abilities and it was also braindead easy aside from the true final boss.
I did really appreciate the Castlevania-esque secret enemies though.

>>720186974
Magnolia had a much better map and outright told you were shit is. I 100% it in 19.5 hours and I played it right after lilies in the hospital

are the gal guardian or love live castlevania games good?

>>720187313
Absolutely fucking not.

>>720187127
Don't forget >>720165605 their freeware game which is actually pretty fun. It's how I found them originally. They have been recycling that games mechanics for 10 years lmao

>>720186881
Blade Chimera was fine but it was probably my least favorite Ladybug game.

>>720187313
I really really wanted to like those games but holy shit I can't stand them. There are actual h Metroidvanias that are more fun to play

>>720176873
play Shadow Complex

>>720187420
>>720187334
damn i figured, but i was hoping they pulled off a longshot

>>720186974
Also the last item in lilies literally took me 2 hours to get it was fucking ridiculous until I accidentally cheesed it

>>720187313
I liked the Gal Guardians well enough, but Servants of the Dark was pretty clearly unfinished at launch. No idea how it feels now since I've long moved on.

Post the most obscure metroidvania game you know of, the kind of game that won't even be posted in this kind of threads.

I'm talking HunterX tier or even more obscure.

Best recent ones
1. Nine sols
2. Silksong
3. Crosscode

>>720187131
All of ladybugs games are piss easy to clear except Luna nights. They are designed to be speedran or no hit challenged for actual difficulty

>>720187496
Basically everything Inti makes is pretty but feels half-baked in both mechanics and content. I really wish they'd spend the time to make one really great game instead of putting out mediocre game after mediocre game.

>>720150154
It's like Blasphemous 2 vs 1, bigger game, smoother mechanics, but worse everything else (e.g. bosses, music, setting, story). I like the more mature MC though

Also, the Ubisoft map was really unnecessary, makes exploration pointless as everything is always marked for you.

>>720187592
Marrow

>>720187592
probably Pampas & Selene

>>720187313
The shinespark devolves whatever difficulty you could have with an area. The interns and new hires need to play old games.

>>720187659
How now card incel was great

Damn, Lilies looks like that?

https://store.steampowered.com/app/2425580/Ex_Vitro/
Play it, it's free.

Was he really that bad of a guy?

>>720188010
>weeb
yeah he was the worst

>>720147457

Name any retro that is better than Lilies

>>720188010
He was a comically evil weaboo

>>720188010
Yeah, he had good taste though.

>>720147370 >>720165843

>Magnolia dropped the ball.
really? I liked Lilies a lot. was considering Magnolia

>>720155795
>OL loli isn't cute

Fucked up generation

>>720187724
This one looks pretty interesting, I'll give it a shot.
>>720187739
Any metroidvania with switchable character is worth trying, reminds me of Astalon.

>>720188178

Not a bad choice but too grindy, too casual, and boring vampire setting. Next.

>>720187904
Yep, she is a little girl.

>>720147281 (OP)
We need to be better Homunculi

>>720188206
It's still very good but it has some design decisions I really don't like. They took map complaints about lilies and made the map a fucking GPS is probably my biggest complaint

>>720187724

Fellow suffering enjoyer

>>720188293
>This one looks pretty interesting, I'll give it a shot.
You have no idea what you signed up for.

>>720188293
>Any metroidvania with switchable character is worth trying
If you having played SMT synchronicity you should. It was team ladybugs last freeware game before they started making money

>>720188010
Not really, he was a mad genius and liked bloodsport, sexdolls and rape, but he was not really evil, ultimately he kind of neutered and slowed down the blight and a metallic body is better than the body horrors the regular blight inflicts on living things.

>>720182621

Momodora Reverie, Minoria

>>720188427
>It was team ladybugs last freeware game before they started making money
They worked under the Krobon brand before that and made a bunch of other games like Pharaoh Rebirth+ most notably, personally I like it the best because it's far less casual than their later games
https://store.steampowered.com/app/441280/Pharaoh_Rebirth/
It's structured like Shantae and the Pirate's Curse though, every stage is its own map and you can return later with additional abilities

>>720188487
Enjoying others suffering for your own sake is about as evil as it gets anon

>>720188391
Can't possibly be worse than release day souldiers.

>>720147281 (OP)
Ender Lillies is way better than Ender Magnolia simply because Umbral CHAD was there to carry the entire fucking game

Dark Knight + Innocent Little Girl is always the best combination

>>720188206
It kept the music and it kept this which are all you need.

>>720188549
Is ok if they are robots.

>>720188560
fuck off Shadow.

>>720188391

A life changing experience

>>720188487
Shoving your nephew in spider homunculus and then throwing it in the trash is pretty evil.

>>720177089
Having played it years back, it unfortunately gives off the feeling of being completely unmemorable. I literally don't remember a single boss and the only areas I remember outside of generic gothic castle are lightning tower and toxic sewer just because they were annoying. I remember it playing decently, but decent was all it ever was.

>>720182621
Not a Metroidvania but if you like TRPGs and grimdark suffering I would suggestpic related. I was thinking about ELs basically half the time even though they are extremely different

>>720188627
I think it was actually pretty based.

>>720147281 (OP)
Went expecting a shitty HK clone and got an actual great game, I'm thankful for the random game trial on the japanese eShop that pushed me to give it a try

>>720188602
They literally aren't though. Did you miss one of the main events of his storyline?

>>720157978
Metroid Dread was a great game and Grime, Death's Gambit, Axiom Verge and Bloodstained all sucked.

>>720188552
How is that now? I was always interested in it but people have said there are still gamebreaking bugs and the difficulty is braindead after the nerfs.

>>720188547
Huh I didn't know they had a prior name/brand. I'll check it out I fucking love ladybug

>>720188710
Is ok if they LOOK like robots.

>>720151260
It was decent but the plot is unintelligible because of the translation and terminology and some of the VA were grating, specially the lil bitch Paimon coded character.

>>720188891
Stop moving the goalpost Duncan we are going to put you in the ground regardless

>>720180093
Bought it day one because I was excited for it. Convinced all my friends to too. It was garbage and we only played it once. Feels like I got scammed and scammed 3 other people.

>>720188710
NTA but yes. People aren't racist enough to make this a plot point.

>>720188820
The difficulty got nerfed extremely hard.

The highest difficulty now is actually easier than the lower difficulty from release, normal on the original release version was pure unfiltered malice in video game form, the higher difficulty went beyond simple masochism onto what can only be described as self-inflicted torture.

The final boss is the worst offender as he is technically impossible to defeat in the original version you simply won't fucking beat him, it is impossible there is no way for a human to do it it is simply not going to happen.

Aside from that, there were some nasty bugs, the one I encountered when playing it on release was a broken quest that basically made a miniboss not spawn unless I entered the boss room from the right rather than from the left.

>>720187592
Soulider. The game sucks though. It's way too hard, and not in a git gud fun way. Also the levels are 5 times too big for what they offer mechanically. It's also based around 3 different characters, who I thought you would be able to switch between, but actually you just pick one and that's it. It's so bad in so many ways, but it's a very beautiful game.

>>720187724
This isn't that obscure now that a big Youtuber made an hour long playthrough/personal feelings essay video on it.

>>720189158
>>720189209
What kind of voodoo timing is this?

>>720188596
As far as I could tell the only sequence break you could use this for was to get to the lab early. You could get a bunch of items early using it though.

>>720189209
I beat it when it came out, it was a grueling experience, but I remember /v/ discussing it for a bit before the nerfs.

Played it on the OG version normal mode, I had to update the game in order to beat the final boss because the OG final boss was being completely unreasonable I sooner take on Irisu SP than that motherfucker because at least Irisu SP gives me a winning chance.

>>720189383
I played both versions. The version before the nerfs is fucking impossible and you have to really be bored out of your mind and a masochist to even get to the final boss. The updated version is still ridiculous and a slog, where if you have any lapse in attention and die you get sent like 10 minutes back in the extremely long 6 hour dungeons that just repeat the same mechanics over and over. This game is the most wasted potential I've ever played.

>>720189383
>>720189465
I remember watching one of those what went wrong videos about it a long time ago. So it really was that bad?

>>720189465
You just need to play it very carefully, specially the OG version, I don't think it was unfair just really, REALLY hard, those invisible sons of bitches who send drones to harass you for the entire duration of the stage unless you find them were the worst fucking enemy in the entire game.

I remember people getting filtered specifically due to timed platforms, but the archer has no trouble dealing with those puzzles.

Lilies is suffering kino as you wander around the ruins of a kingdom as the last living being, gathering tids and bits about what happened to cause everyone to die horrible and turn into zombies, all from the perspective of an innocent little girl doing her best and her cool and composed ghost knight bodyguard.

I highly doubt that Magnolia can capture any of the feeling of sadness that the original brought, from what I saw there are plenty people alive and even humorous parts.

>>720189465
>>720189158
I played the demo that came out a few months before release and the difficulty in that seemed perfectly reasonable.

>>720189715
The ranged cheese is worse than the story since you're not having a badass duel between Knights now. I still like Magnolia though.

>>720189715
>I highly doubt that Magnolia can capture any of the feeling of sadness that the original brought
It doesn't, which is why everyone says that the atmosphere isn't as good in Magnolia. It's a straight upgrade in the gameplay department though.

>>720189715
I feel like you can only really get the morose and barren fallen kingdom setting once per genre before it becomes a bit repetitive. Honestly, it didn't really strike me too much in Ender Lilies already. It feels like the setting has just become way too fucking common since Dark Souls.

>>720189715
The first game has a post apocalyptic setting, shit got fucked, and you stroll across the remains, in magnolia the shit is actively happening, and you still have time to stop it.

>>720189810
The difficulty is not direct but rather about endurance a slow burning difficulty that chips away at your sanity, you must go and stay alive for what could be hours before reaching a save point, any fuck up, and you need to do it all over again.

>>720189810
I have no idea about the demo but the game doesn't come out the gate being ridiculous, it starts at the first "dungeon," the pyramid, and just ramps from there.

>>720189705
I just don't think the difficulty is designed in a way that makes it actually fun to play. It's something you could beat if you had to for some reason, but I would never choose to go through the OG difficulty when I could play any other game in existence. It's like playing a NES/Arcade era game, but with worse design and 100 times longer conservatively.

>>720189715
>I highly doubt that Magnolia can capture any of the feeling of sadness that the original brought
You're right, but that's not a bad thing and it's a specific point of difference the devs wanted to make this time
Being a sequel it's building on the ideas of the first, in the sense that in Lilies you've seen what it looks like when a nation succumbs to the blight and decays to undead ruins
Whereas in Magnolia you have a living nation on the verge of collapse, held aloft by the efforts of a desperate few, and you are the last hope of stopping the same tragedy from befalling it this time
Also it's more direct in that an older Lily is literally there to help you do it in the true ending

>>720189951
Writing in games is so bad I'm okay with this generic setting because then at least I don't have to deal with a bunch of NPC's.

>>720190063
That's how I'm feeling about Silksong right now. It feels like their writers decided having every character speak in a roundabout manner equated to good writing. The original HK wasn't like this, was it?

>>720190260
I'm playing through the original HK right now and the writing does primarily feel like every interaction I have is goofy and doesn't take itself that seriously. It doesn't really seem to match the theme the thing wants to be, in my opinion. They also all don't talk about the events that are literally happening in their face properly to keep everything "mysterious."

>>720190260
Since darksouls Creators feel the need to add that style of lore to metroidvanias since they have little to know characters, then change it in the sequel because it feels so weird that every single person has a journal all over of the things going wrong as they just sit back

>>720190260
The original HK was way fucking worse than Silksong with characters being pointlessly cryptic

>>720187904
Several spirits working in tandem to help Lily is so much cooler than what you do in practice, obviously it wouldn't really work gameplay wise but I never even considered it until I saw this.

>>720182872
>All you posers that think tomboy is an aesthetic
It is, at least to some extent.

>>720190390
>>720190673
I don't mean characters being cryptic, I mean the way they talk.
"My deliveries are late so I want you to find my courier" becomes "Much time has passed beyond the expected hour in which my deliveries were to arrive, would it trouble you to travel yonder and ensure no mayhem has befallen that errant courier?"
It's like the fantasy equivalent of that Gearbox writing post. It'd be one thing if it actually flowed well like Tactics Ogre did but it it just feels wooden instead.

>>720190962
Ah. No. They don't talk like that in Hollow Knight. Guess it got even worse in the next one.

>>720190843
You Casca fags are insufferable. Liking a girl because she's muscular or dresses/styles her hair like a guy is GAY.

>>720191754
>liking a girl because you find her attractive is gay
You have autism.

>>720147281 (OP)
It's very boring and not good

>>720191829
>finding a girl attractive because of how masculine she looks

>>720147281 (OP)
My wife, oh and I guess her friend is here too.

I like my Lily well done

>>720150154
it doesn't have the dive. utterly unpayable.

>>720147281 (OP)
>half of the fanbase is lolifags incels, same as Blue Archive and other cringe weeb shit
into the trash it goes

>>720158206
>but from a gameplay perspective Magnolia is basically better in every single way.
mostly sure, but not every way. Lily can swap between 2 3 ability loadouts giving her access to 6 abilities at a time. Lilac is stuck with 4 abilities always.
then again that's like my only gripe about Magnolia's gameplay. oh that and the run feels weirdly slow. feels like the dog should make you faster than he does

>>720192498
this is the problem with magnolia, i really miss lilies animation

>>720160172
>If it's for narration purposes then make Nola the character with memory issues
...Nola did have memory issues. they literally paired up two different amnesiacs because they couldn't imagine having an MC who has even the slightest clue what's going on in their life.

>>720164723
his gun is amazing though. it does way too much break damage and fills up your super meter really fast too.

>>720151260
>chinkslop
No thanks

>>720193170
You are functionally illiterate.

>>720180016
what was the point of that costume currency when all the costumes are just minor recolors of her cloak?

>>720180093
DMFD is great, if and only if, you're playing Witch. it's a really mediocre game otherwise but Witch is fun enough to carry it.

>>720159503
Nah, this is

>>720193863
>witch MC
>no hat
It's shit

>>720192962
Having four abilities with more refined attacks is better than six with plenty of niche ones. Summons were crap in lilies cause they would disappear on swap and the second page was 90% of the times some CD spam skill like floral sorc, mushroom wiz or the Poison wyvern.

>>720193838
>XAAAXBBABBBYABBAAAX
>Witch was killed by Fleshpound

>>720187592
nowadays i think the answer is fortune summoners. which is weird since /v/ used to love that game.

>>720193993
People loved it before they realised Carpe Fulgur were a bunch of fags. The lack of map made it too hard for most people too, never mind the input-reading enemies.

>>720193926
oh for sure, magnolia's abilities are way better, but there was really no reason to get rid of the swap button. even if it meant going down to 3 abilities it would still be an improvement.

>/v/ thinks Lillies is a good game
Why am I not surprised. No level design, no enemy design, "2D Souls-like" boss fights, ugly graphics style, Gwyn plink plink plonk music, but m-muh lore and environmental storytelling

>>720150154
No, it's way better, they actually implement your melee attack airtime into the platforming while in lilies you were just stuck in place.
The OST and worldbuilding is also cooler

>>720192068
And that's why I know you have autism. They don't like them because of those features. They are attractive women who also happen to have those features.

>>720165103
sure, but consider the following. albino Hime-cut Kimono loli MC.

>>720193637
??? Nola spends half the game talking about having memory problems. she's not completely amnesiac but there is a lot she had forgotten.

>>720157978
The lilies map felt like it was unfinished, you had no idea whether a locked path was locked because you don't have a platforming ability or whether there was a gate so it led to frustrating meaningless backtrackings

What's the BIGGEST metroidvania? Where you just keep unlocking more and more new areas until you start to fear for the level designer's mental health?

>>720194297
Lilies had the hammer and very late in the game the champion and fish that would affect your position in air.

>>720194434
Probably Hollow Knight

>>720194297
that gets kind of silly though. attack chain->air dash->attack chain->parry->attack chain->air jump->attack chain->air dash->attack chain->parry->attack chain gets you absurd mobility once you get used to it,to the point where i actually skipped the super jump and cleared out the next zone just by floating high enough.
It does get hilarious when you get the weight reducing relic and you can literally just fly with the scythe or gun, but that comes so late it doesn't matter.

>>720194462
It's fun when both of them have such basic abilities, there is really nothing unique about lilies.

>>720194531
yeah i agree honestly. I originally put lilies down halfway through and thought it was nothing special. the only thing it has going for it is top tier aesthetics and music, otherwise it's a pretty forgettable game.

>>720194462
Getting in the labs early was nice too bad you cannot really do anything there other than a handful of collectibles.

>>720179928
All of the other aspects got improved in Magnolia too, the worldbuilding was more original than just anime dark souls

>>720187592
Thread, Zexion, Insect Adventure, Side Scape, Angel's Gear, After Death, Plague of Yamorn, and Vision Soft Reset.

>>720194434
Unironically Silksong.

>>720195194
>>720194459
There's no way. It's all hand-drawn art. There has to be some 3D or pixel MV that an autist made 3000 screens for or something.

>>720194434
Heldon Bloodrite

>>720195373
The pixel autists tend to aim for a very specific style of metroidvania that doesn't scale well and doesn't really expand. By their nature metroidvanias don't do well with maximalism because the lock-and-key nature of tools means that the designers need to keep them constrained or else it falls apart. I've played shit like Voidwrought where certain abilities were too powerful and let you accidentally skip other ones because it was no longer clear what you were and weren't intended to do.

The closest you're gonna get in that vein is probably Astlibra, which isn't a metroidvania and also isn't something I recommend unless your main issues with Drakenguard were that it wasn't repetitive or lecherous enough.

>>720195502
I wish that wasn't a doom wad because I loved the worldbuilding and it was extremely clever how part of puzzle difficulty setting was the amount of text that going highlighted as important or automatically transferred to your map. I just hated the actual gameplay, especially once shit started hitting me from offscreen.

>>720195583
What is he doing nowaday anyway? Is he working on another game?

>>720195760
No clue. Probably commissioning more futa porn of the protag

>>720195509
I guess at a certain scale, metroidvanias just turn into open world games. There's only so many abilities you can have before you achieve arbitrary motion over the entire map (outside of abilities literally just being keys).

What now, Hollowfags?

>>720195818
Exactly. It's part of the reason why underwater/flying metroidvanias like Aquaria or Pronty always struggle. Things like ledge grab, wall jump, double jump, airdash, glide... so many ways to control horizontal and vertical space get swallowed if you have full movement, and conversely like you said with enough of them in aggregate any new one struggles to be useful unless given a hyperspecific niche.

>>720195818
>>720195892
Reminds me of how Terraria gets compared to Metroidvanias due to the amount of movement upgrades. There's only so many ways to add more meaningful movement and it caps out at free teleportation.