Thread 720178415

>>720178415 (OP)
The talented people who made 90s rare what it was were leaving the company at the end of the N64's lifespan

>>720178415 (OP)
they are playing the long game
this year xbox had to shut down a bunch of studios
soon enough they will have to start auctioning out intellectual properties and you know your sweet ass nintendo will one tap that banjo kazooie brand

Nintendo got a big ego and didn't like being outclassed by a western dev

believe it or not, they were jealous of their talent. Rare was doing better than Nintendo in some regards, to a degree

>>720178415 (OP)
Rare always gived me snoy vibes even as a child when i first played dkc

Why bother?
Banjo wasn’t doing insane numbers, it was doing Croc numbers.
DK wasn’t big enough to justify keeping them around for

>>720178631
Nintendo’s always had the soft spot for the bear and even considered him one of their mascots at sometime and you can’t convince me that SOMEONE at Bandai Namco Studio 2/S doesn’t secretly want to make a Banjo Kazooie game from how beautifully rendered Spiral Mountain was in Ultimate which even added all the collectibles (notes, extra lives, jiggies etc) in the background.

>>720178415 (OP)
Goldeneye's multiplayer mode was developed less than 6 months before release by a single person. That is not a development strategy that could be scaled up to 6tth gen levels, let alone 7th or beyond. Combine that with talent leaving the company and all you would be buying are the IPs.

I unironically believe it was just Nintendo being a classic control freak, and a bit of japanese racism.

I think some Nintendo exec might have been geniunely offended by Conker's Bad Fur Day and they didnt like that they couldnt control Rare. Everything you heard about Rare behind the scenes made it seem like they were easy to work with, because Nintendo just left them alone. Sure GoldenEye was delayed a lot but it sold a shitton, they were a loose cannon. I'm sure some Nintendo employees also werent too happy some baka gaijin company was putting out more technically impressive games than they could on the N64.

Compare them to Retro which Nintendo ruled with an iron fist. They almost seemed happy to have a western dev they could beat into shape, Rare was too independent

>>720178415 (OP)
Because Rare was trying to force a bidding war between MS and Nintendo without realizing that Nintendo was on the back foot due to the failure of the GameCube.

>>720178415 (OP)
>nintendo acquires rare
>all those bad games they released on xbox 360 come out on wii instead
>viva pinata is the only good game they get out of the deal
For what purpose

>>720178415 (OP)
tbf rare was already doing so shit before microsoft bought them

>>720178721
>>720178767
You guys are both retards.

>>720178631
>Microsoft and Sony will start selling off their IPs, studios, allowing other studios to go independent, outsourcing their other ips to indies and AA studios in the future while no longer making hardware
Don't give a brotha hope

>>720178865
>Banjo wasn’t doing insane numbers, it was doing Croc numbers.
you do realize that was a meaningless chart with zero context right? by this logic you could say "crash, spyro, tomb raider, twisted metal, resident evil, and metal gear werent doing insane numbes..... they were doing less than Harry potter and the philosophers stone numbers"

>>720178415 (OP)
Nintendo just doesn’t buy studios. Hell they probably only bought the controlling stake in Monolith from Namco because it was dirt cheap.

They really did almost make more games for n64 than Nintendo and only one person stopped that from happening.

>>720179409
Wouldnt put it past them. Japanese people can be extremely petty, and Nintendo are among the worst.

>>720178415 (OP)
>Why didn’t the greatest company acquire the shittiest company?

>>720178415 (OP)
Rare is dead though
Now they only release shitty skin update for sea of thieves

>>720179795
This. Fuck Japan.

>>720179687
I never understood retards and their sales arguments as a gotcha towards Banjo.

Games back then didn’t need to sell 30-50 million copies to be considered a success, 3 million units sold for a second party platformer game exclusive on a failing first party console is fucking impressive for 1998 standards.

>>720179984
True, it’s almost as good as Croc.

>>720179687
The numbers weren't what was making Kong-Gone-Wrong sweat.
>DK wasn’t big enough to justify keeping them around for
So why did he have them change their game for his other big furshit hit?

>>720180384
What does this post even mean?

>>720179716
Next Level Games??

>>720180581
>HORY SHIT. RAT U MEAN RARE MAKKU THEIR OWN ZERDA GAMMU NOW? RELL RE'LL SEE ABOUT DAT!

>>720179795
Nintendonis a great company, and they make the best games. They lend assistance with full sincerity, and have helped Rare numerous times. Jet Force Gemini, for example.

>>720180595
Nintendo bought them in 2021, and it was probably their first ever acquisition of an independent studio. I may be hyperbolic in saying they don’t buy studios, but it’s so rare (heh) that it makes them an anomaly.

>>720180751
You okay?

>>720178415 (OP)
Didn't want to get into a bidding war with Microsoft.

>>720179178
Retro needs the iron fist. They literally cannot be trusted to do anything on their own. Their non collaborative work just sits in development hell and what's there is trash, just look at the recent leak for all the proof you need.

>>720181478
Only because Nintendo wants them to be that way, they don’t want another studio like Rare mogging their internal projects.

>>720180751
Why did you turn the Ws into Rs?

>>720179795
There's an interview where Miyamoto and the team were so impressed by Banjo that they delayed OoT because of it.

>>720178767
>>720178721
Rare was only producing good games under the direction of Nintendo, Nintendo was involved with the development of banjo, dk64 etc providing support with technical issues optimization as well as design. Rare needed Nintendo and were basically second party. Rare were the ones who had a big ego weren’t able to produce good games once they left Nintendo. Nintendo knew that rare wasn’t that valuable on their own so no reason to buy them, they have been proven right.

>>720181697
>>720180384
There are many interviews of Nintendo and their developers praising Rare and all of them would make the modern day Rare hate tendies seethe because the narrative they've memed for the last 20+ years is destroyed by the very company they'd sudoku for. The last fucking game their beloved CEO Hiroshi's name is on is a fucking Rare/Nintendo collab game proving Nintendo is so shit to work with that you'll want to retire ASAP.

>>720180384
People always post this as if it's a smoking gun, but it's complimentary, if anything. This is a man that once referred to Sonic the Hedgehog as a pretty good Mario clone in an interview, saying that they delayed a game to step up to a junior team seems like pretty high praise.

>>720178415 (OP)
because Rare was never good

>>720181801
>Rare was only producing good games under the direction of Nintendo
Nintendo wasn't even producing good games under their own direction. Once they tried taking the reigns back on most of the IP's they whored out to 3rd part developers is when SHTF. I'm so tired of people pretending their censoring and pissant 10% suggestions mean fuck all especially when most of those suggestions are begging the developer to utilize a controller gimmick with documentation they barely even comprehend themselves.

>>720178504
This. Rare was bleeding talent and the Stampers overestimated the value of what was left.

>>720180751
of course miyamoto was always a fucking furfag
everything makes sense now

>>720184227
>Once they tried taking the reigns back on most of the IP's they whored out to 3rd part developers is when SHTF.
Name 5 examples.

Nintendo fucked up simple as that. Stampers offered. Nintendo declined. After Activision stepped up then Nintendo wanted it. Then of course Microsoft showed up and outbid both of them. Just like my soap operas.

>>720186507
Yep. The idea that Rare fell off cause they lost members isn't the complete picture. They could have recovered. Microsoft actively sabotaged them constantly.

>>720187082
Microsoft sabotages everyone, this is why they never win and can never win. They're "fanbase" or pajeets are so retarded that they think everything they do is a winning strategy when even top guys of the AAA industry of business calls them retarded.

>>720186026
Akchyually the Japanese equivalent of a furry is called a kemonaa

>>720188485
>Microsoft sabotages everyone
The problem is that Rare was already in decline before that.

Microsoft was willing to pay way above Rare's value. It would have been retarded for Nintendo try and match wallets with Microsoft.
It's mostly Rare's fault for putting themselves on the market, and Microsoft for willing to pay any retarded price

>>720179178
Nintendo's vision is to be primarily a japanese company. Nothing wrong with that, and not every country needs to be a massive international behemoth.

>>720179795
>>720179837
Take it from a weeaboo website to tell you how petty gooks are. They would be speaking chinese, korean and russian if it weren’t for the US.

>>720179795
By Japanese business culture standards, Nintendo is reportedly one of the best companies to work for in the country. In terms of worker rights, job quality etc.

>>720190473
Yeah, they're that now. But in the 90s Miyamoto used the room gaijins worked in as his smoking room. Things were different then

>>720190713
>Things were different then
No, no they weren't.

>>720186080
>Yoshi Topsy Turvy
>Donkey Konga
>Donkey Kong Barrel Blast?
Can't think of two more.

>>720184227
What the fuck is this guy even trying to say?

>>720178415 (OP)
Shiggy hated the fact that some gaijin white piggus made his IP a global success while his versions of the DK games never took off.

>>720178631
>nintendo will one tap that banjo kazooie brand

No.

>>720178415 (OP)

Because Rare was over-rated British garbage. Notice that Nintendo bought Next Level Games, but allowed Rare get flushed down the Microsoft toilet.

>>720188485
they don't sabotage as much as they simply don't care. the things they buy are just kept alive to make it less obvious they are simply a consolidating blob.