Thread 720294331

This game sucks

what don't people like about this game. I'm genuinely curious. I've been putting off trying it because of how harsh everyone is about it

I think it's a decent 7/10

>>720294458
For a game that ditched much of it's rpg stuff to focus on dmc-like action combat, it's way too fucking easy and there are no difficulty options

Sucks? That's just a polite way of saying it's pure trash.

>>720294331 (OP)
Stories not even good to make up for the lack of rpg mechanics

>>720294331 (OP)
I liked it. Thanks for reminding me I have to start the Leviathan DLC that I bought on sale a few weeks ago.

The least ambitious Final Fantasy...

>>720294918
you could just as easily make a collage of youtubers soifacing at the game and giving it 10/10, what a benign and retarded post

>>720294458
The story begins great but takes a nosedive after a Certain character's death. Secondly the gameplay is based around popping off skills and then waiting for them to come out of cooldown. The basic combo attacks never evolve and it feels like baby's first DMC game, except if it were made for a 5 year old - in other words, very basic and repetitive. Thirdly, every enemy, from small humans to huge dragons, is dealt in the exact same way - pop off cooldowns, break stagger, deal damage while enemy stays immobile on the ground for a few seconds.

>>720294458
I enjoyed it.
I would have liked it more if it had stayed more a political story than what it ultimately turned into, but I still enjoyed it.
Theres some plot holes that never quite get resolved, Side-quests while have some great story beats and lore especially at the end, to get them you must do ALL side quest, most of which are forgettable and simple fetch quest.
Gear progression is kind of lame too. The weapons look cool for sure, but its always just "equip bigger number" and only 1 accessory that I can think of really changes how you play the game and is one you likely won't switch off of once obtaining it.
Theres a scenery change for the world later on that saps the vibrancy of much of the world, which many didn't care for as well. I was a bit indifferent myself on this part though.
Music is great though, Combats a lot of fun though too easy (and they lock the higher difficulty behind at least one completion which is dumb), Some may not like action, but I enjoy both turn based and action games, so it was a non-issue for me. Story was enjoyable despite some holes and a diversion from what I expect them to do with it, voice acting and art direction were great, eikon battles were very cool, and narratively I really enjoyed they way they were interpreted for 16, which makes the story not utilizing them more for politics and warfare a bit disappointing. I hope they do something with that idea again.
Not my favorite FF, but solid and enjoyable for me at least with a satisfying conclusion.
/blog

>>720294331 (OP)
Thought this game was alright but found myself wanting it to be over by the end. Was strangers of paradise any good?

They went the most boring possible route making the MC “everypower McSwordman” and stripping away the party dynamic. The eidolons would have been better if they were handled like fighting game assists with the characters that originally possessed them. Doesn’t take a lot of writing to spare them or pass their powers on, Clive can still be a vessel for ultima without getting all the powers forever. RPGs are naturally series with ensemble casts, it’s part of their charm. When you ditch all that and have your would be party members become power dispensers for your “lone wolf” protag it all feels hollow and cheap.

Gamers don't like seeing 2 men kiss

>>720295535
Except they're not wrong. XVI is neither a good FF game nor a good action game, it fails at being both. People who say otherwise either have low IQ or are just normies who enjoy cinematic slop.

>>720294458
The game just feels undercooked in every way aside from its giant empty spectacle cutscenes. It did a mostly fine job at that, but as an actual playable video game its terrible. The caliber of voice acting they got was WAY too good for this mediocre pile of slop.
>mostly dull generic characters and dialogue
>dead, empty, lifeless world not worth wasting your time to explore
>itemization so basic it may as well not even exist
>accessories have extremely basic effects like decrease cooldown of specific abilities, increase damage of specific abilities, or increase damage universally. bits actually do augment your playstyle, but they're endgame AND DLC only
>barebones crafting system
>talent board also basically does nothing aside from unlocking your abilities and making them stronger, no real branching choices to make. no real ability augmentation or customization
>only one playable character. only one weapon type. only one weapon combo
>enemies lack mechanic variety. all are defeated in the exact same way. nothing unique or interesting is ever done with its stagger system
>some of the worst sidequests ever implemented into a video game
>combat lacks depth compared to most of its contemporaries and mostly focuses on press X to AWESOME empty spectacle.
>new eikons take too long to get. can't even have your full set of three until around a third into the game
>gameplay is paper thin in relation to how long the game is
>as basic as clive's gameplay is, ifrit's gameplay is even worse, being just a further stripped down clive with only two cooldowns
>story is okay but doesn't do or say anything special and is full of contrivances
>music is pretty generic epic orchestra but does have some bangers like Find the Flame and Land of the Eikons
The demo really is the best part of the game, but it doesn't really evolve past that. It does have its moments, but the game in between those moments is horrible. Its a 6/10 on a good day. It really should have been better.

>>720294458
>terrible action game
>terrible RPG
>boring itemization
>cliche Jap flavored storyline
combine all four and you have this game. the only redeeming thing is the cinematic visuals during eikon fights.

>>720294331 (OP)
At least it was better than Rebirth.

>>720294331 (OP)
Every FF has sucked since the dumpster fire what was XI Online. For me, the FF series ended with X. Everything after that has been a completely different series of games.

>>720294331 (OP)
Anything thats not a Eikon fight is dogshit

>>720294331 (OP)
I liked it
but I also dont like classic FF

>>720294331 (OP)
I was honestly insulted by the end of it. At some point during one of the many terrible sidequests I just had this realization that this unimaginative drivel was actually supposed to be entertaining or interesting on some level and I was lost in disbelief that the many people who worked on it could have believed it would be a worthwhile experience for anybody.

7.5/10 for me, it's decent

>>720294331 (OP)
This shit is a piece of garbage wearing the skin of Final Fantasy.

>>720294331 (OP)
It's average. Astoundingly so.
Every single good element of the game has something that's shit to pair with. Every single one. I genuinely don't understand how they managed it.
In the end it ends up just being the most 5/10 game I've ever played.

>>720294458
The story is retarded to the point of brain damaged. It has stupidity like the entirety of magic people getting enslaved by normies. It's so idiotic and can only come out of clowns like Yoshit piss

>>720294331 (OP)
I don't think anyone with a working brain can find this game good.

>>720294458
Shit action game, "stats" because an RPG needs them, story sucks. Clive is a boring Jesus protagonist and everyone else is just merely allowed tof live in his world. The "Game of Thrones" vibe they wanted is hidden by a living lore cuck and they didn't understand why people enjoyed GOT. World suffered from MMO syndrome.

>>720306386
>Clive is a boring Jesus protagonist and everyone else is just merely allowed tof live in his world

What?
I'm pretty sure that piece of shit killed children when he was a slave for the Empire for 13 years.

>>720294458
I loved it. It was the best new FF we got since X. The combat and leveling is fairly shallow, but overall it’s a fun game and has great characters and a great story.

>>720294918
Leave it to zoomers to base all their video game opinions around what rage bait grifters said about a game rather than just play the game and make up their own mind.

>>720306508
I should have called his boring ass a Gary Stu, my bad.

>>720294458
This game to me was the embodiment of "all style, zero substance"

The game felt muddied by being split between wanting to be an action game and feeling obligated to also be a 40+ hour JRPG and ends up failing to offer anything of substance for fans of either style of game to latch onto. Too scared to add any substantive layers of depth to it's combat out of fear of alienating the primarily RPG enjoying FF playerbase, and RPG elements are too shallow to offer any numerical depth for players to learn and optimize. Combined with what becomes a messy narrative that fails to even really uphold it's core theme also just leaves a story that left alot to be desired.

tl;dr game was so ass the moment I saw credits rolled I went to finish an FF9 playthrough to cleanse my pallet.

>>720297260
sorry to break it to you but unsubstantiated malding opinions are not facts

>>720297260
How would you feel if you didn't eat breakfast this morning?

>>720294458
Its just boring to play. I got to the hideout and dropped it. The inspiration from XIV is too much.

>>720294458
It's just so hilarious compare this game and E33, and wonder why E33 looks more like an FF game while this is just a DMC game where you control one guy.

>>720295645
>only 1 accessory that I can think of really changes how you play the game and is one you likely won't switch off of once obtaining it
ik which you mean, Berserker Ring right?
fyi the normal dodge does more damage 9/10 times but the Ring dodge IS cooler

>>720294331 (OP)
Saw a video explaining FF9 was the last FF with the creator's involvement and reflected his vision of a Chibi turn-based game. FF7 was the beginning of the cinematic guys taking the wheel. FF10 was supposed to depart from turn-based and go into the action slop they have now. They couldn't get it to work, so they left it as turn-based. Final Fantasy mainline games should've stayed as turn-based. If they wanted action/cinema sloppa then they should've made a spin-off series. They have been killing their brand since FF12. FF11 and 14 being mainline titles were arguable also mis-steps meant to swindle buyers into checking out MMO's.

>>720294458
>terrible action game, you have a bunch of moves that might look cool but hit like a wet noodle, most bossfights is just spamming the same moves over and over without a sense of style
>no party members, you control clive only, and it gets boring very fast
>no overworld content, game feels like an offline mmo with some of the most bland secondary quests you can expect, everything is a railrode, exploration is absent because maps have nothing interesting on them
>no rpg mechanics.

its a very mediocre action game and a very bad final fantasy, only good aspect is the romantic subplot between clive and jill that feels good and a little bit more "mature", they have sex at least so they dont behave like retared teens like most jrpg couples.

>>720294641
This, its the good kind of slop

Crazy how quick discussion died, threads stopped being made bot even a week after release

>>720310727
>fyi the normal dodge does more damage
Really? I had no idea.
Berserk ring dodge is cooler though, so I don't care.

>>720294458
>what don't people like about this game. I'm genuinely curious. I've been putting off trying it because of how harsh everyone is about it
Well, what you must first understand is that there is an extremely dedicated group of shitposters, they even have a Discord, and they spend their lives following and shitposting everything about Yoshida. If you've been on /v/ for any length of time, I'm sure you've noticed. Barry is part of this group as well, and if you know anything about Barry you know what that entails.

Basically, it's literally impossible to have an actual, genuine, sincere conversation about this game, and it likely will be that way until several years after Barry and his wannabes die. Maybe in 20-30 years we can have a conversation about this game. Once Barry is dead or institutionalized, once Yoshida is retired and/or dead, once XIV is EoS, maybe then we can talk about Final Fantasy XVI.

>>720294458
It's not a real Final Fantasy game. It feels like your average Western Action RPG.

>>720317628
There are plenty of sincere discussions about the game, just because people say it sucks doesn't mean it has to be the work of dedicated shitposters. I'm not even saying said shitposters don't exist, they're just not the only people that have played and disliked XVI.

>>720317978
Not that anon, but there are definitely certain individuals that have an autistic dedication to ruining any conversation they can about certain games, and thus makes those specific ones that have the misfortune of being their target, much harder to discuss in general. Positively or negatively.
Its like a level beyond just a shitposter.

>>720317978
No, there is no sincere discussion of anything related to Yoshida on this website.

I'm not saying all criticisms are unfounded nor am I saying all praise is unjustified. What I am saying is that there cannot ever been genuine discussion of anything related to Yoshida on this website, and the fact that your post only addressed potentially negativity helps exemplify this truth.

>>720318286
My post only addressed potential negativity because I, sincerely I might add, think the game is dogshit.

>>720318286
>I'm not saying all criticisms are unfounded nor am I saying all praise is unjustified.
***nor am I saying all praise is justified

>>720317978
FF fanboys have been hella insecure about the appeal of their games starting with FFXIII

>>720318346
Yeah, see, you are the type of person I am talking about. You said so yourself. Thanks for confirming it. I made a blanket statement, you felt called out, so you replied to it.

>>720294331 (OP)

I really enjoyed it. Just wish the game environments BADLY needed more detail and interaction. And enemy variety too, there needed to be way more.

>>720318472
If I made a blanket statement that all people who think there are dedicated shitposters who target Final Fantasy, particularly Yoshida-adjacent ones, are delusional retards, I wouldn't blame you or anyone else who thinks that for replying to object to that. Of course I'm going to reply to a blanket statement claiming there cannot be any sincere discussion about the game because of these shitposters when I have made sincere posts about my dislike of it, just as I'm sure others have made sincere posts of their affection for it.

>>720318702
>If I made a blanket statement that all people who think there are dedicated shitposters who target Final Fantasy, particularly Yoshida-adjacent ones, are delusional retards
You would be wrong, not only because you are wrong, but also because Barry exists and immediately disproves this.

I don't get why you began your epic retort with a something that is simply untrue.

>>720319013
You should learn to read before you reply to my posts.

>>720299423
Kys

>>720319096
I did read, and you began your post with a blatant lie, attempting to prove some sort of "no u" point by stating an untruth.

The fact that you're even still going - and now lying - proves that you are indeed exactly the type of person my post was referencing. I accept your concession. Thank you.

>>720319239
Go find a dictionary and find the word 'if'.

>>720317628
>it's literally impossible to have an actual, genuine, sincere conversation about this game, and it likely will be that way until several years after Barry and his wannabes die. Maybe in 20-30 years we can have a conversation about this game. Once Barry is dead or institutionalized, once
This is called Barry Derangement Syndrome.
This game is a piece of crap that deserves all the hate gets. Yoshit piss has ruined the franchise.

>>720294331 (OP)
Better than XIII and XV at least

>>720321553
It's the worst mainline game wearing the skin of Final Fantasy.

XV is the best modern FF.

>>720321629
XV is awful, anon. Easily the worst in the series.

I liked it except for the ending. The ending sucked donkey balls.

>>720316175
There was genuinely zero substance to this game. They focused all their efforts into making sakuga that would go viral and sell more copies of the game, and it failed to even do that given that sales of this game completely collapsed after that strong first week.

It was fun.

Only problem is that there is not nearly enough porn for this game. Jill, young Jill, Tarja, Anabella, Jote, Benedikta, Mid, I could go on I don't care what anybody says this game is full of waifus

>>720324583
What annoys me more than its lack of substance is how they seem to believe that if they just took the aesthetic of things that do have substance then it would trick people into thinking that substance actually existed. It has so much of the framing of what would be a fleshed out aspect of the game without the framing to actually fill it in.

As an example, the game introduces this whole character whose sole purpose in the game is to be this strategist, and then they go and make these big map graphics showing armies moving this way and that that all feels like it would make sense in a game where these things are given the thought put into it that it would demand a graphic in order to convey what's going on, but even the most complex stratagem in the game does not demand this graphic at all. It feels less like they wanted to have all these moving parts and battle strategies and travel time having a strong impact on who is at certain locations at certain times and more just like they thought that if they had a map with colored pips on it then it would appear like the game actually has all that. It does the same thing with the lore of the world, which is so unimaginative, dull and unengaging yet they make this big show of 'Welcome to the world of Valisthea! Don't you want to sit with Harpocrates and read the Active Time Lore?'. These aren't even things that are bad inclusions necessarily, but they're the kinds of things I would want from a game where the lore is actually interesting. The way it's done in XVI makes it feel like there was some business meeting where they determined that 'good lore' was a good selling point for an RPG so they made sure the trappings of it had polish and good presentation, but they didn't actually have anyone who had any kind of passion about the world that would be created, it was just a means to ticking off the 'good lore' box by presenting it as such.