Thread 720366525

HDR bros... I don't feel so good.

Same monitor I just bought
It's dogshit and I'm returning it

>AOC
not very surprising

>>720366694
wdym they make excellent miniled HDR monitors
the PS5 retard probably didn't even bother calibrating it

>>720366525 (OP)
Let me guess, shitty 250 nits monitor with hdr 400. You need at least 1000 to even bother with it. nigger

>>720366773
I'm >>720366658
It IS a HDR1000 monitor, cheapest one on the market, but it doesn't look good even after faffing with it to get the best settings. It looks whitewashed on high brightness with HDR and local dimming turned on, as well as "bloomy" with lightbleed from the local dimming (not the worst I've seen, but not great)
Also has horrible coil whine which is the main reason I'm returning mine.
It's the AOC Q27G3XMN for anyone wondering. I do not recommend it.

>>720366971
>Q27G3XMN
it has great reviews and people are praising the HDR, so maybe (You) are the problem, Anon?

>>720366971
You must've fucked something up in the settings.

>>720367050
>>720367248
It might be that I have a defective unit, given the noise it has. Does anyone else ITT have the same monitor, if OP took the pic maybe he could chime in on whether his panel have coil whine or not?
I've seen other people report similar issues before.
Either way, I'm returning it.

>>720366525 (OP)
HDR was always a giant meme of washed out color

>>720367321
This is why I'm afraid to buy one of these Chinese mini led monitors
If Samsung and Dell has bad quality control I can't even imagine what these companies put out

>>720367468
I don't regard AOC as a bad company. I've had ok products from them before. This one is just really poor. It even feels cheap and flimsy, although I will say that the stand is pretty good and it looks ok with the brightness down or HDR and local dimming turned off (lol), but like I said mine is potentially a defective unit anyway. QC is apparently quite bad on this panel, even amazon has it flagged as a "frequently returned item"

>>720366525 (OP)
I bought a tv cuz it has a good HDR rating on rtings and it looks like that whenever I turn it on too, i'm never trusting that site again...

>>720367939
yeah I'm not falling for the HDR meme ever again.

Monitor tech plateaued at IPS.

>>720367248
>b-but the stats say...
NPC behavior.
Someone that owns one is telling your their real-world experience using it.

>>720367468
AOC is not just a brand, it's a panel manufacturer, so any of those well-known brands could be using AOC-produced panels in their monitors and selling them with a huge markup

The top image is what it's actually supposed to look like. The saturated garbage at the bottom is what you've been trained to think looks "good".

>>720367584
People are just too retarded to celebrate HDR with local dimming
You pretty much NEED to install Windows 11 and use that official Microsoft app to calibrate an HDR monitor

>>720368398
I did exactly that.
The app sucks btw

>>720368435
The app is fine, it's just that some monitors automatically adjust their brightness, which makes calibrating an HDR monitor confusing for most normies
You have to ignore the on-screen instructions for brightness and set whatever is advertised for your monitor

>>720368591
I've been going back-and-forth with different calibration settings and tweaking brightness/contrast and local dimming and it never looks good to me. It only looks ok in SDR, using sRGB colorspace standard.

>>720368760
Have you tried adjusting the SDR brightness in the HDR setting of Windows?
You have to run the app again, and then it should use the correct values

>>720368157
OLED*

>>720368887
Dude I've done all this multiple times, it still doesn't look good. The local dimming is bloomy and gives me eye fatigue, it's somewhat acceptable with local dimming off (but HDR still enabled), but by that point I could've gone with a much lower rated HDR display, like HDR400 or something. The peak brightness is just really unplesant to look at, it's hard to describe but there's something "cloudy"/bloomy about it. Maybe I should invest in an OLED panel instead.

>>720369036
>I could've gone with a much lower rated HDR display, like HDR400 or something
Anon, you bought an HDR1000 monitor, you can use that app to adjust the HDR brightness and set it to whatever you want, like 400, for example

>>720369115
Okay great, but since it has really bad coil whine I don't want to keep it regardless. At least now I know HDR1000 isn't worth it for me.

HDR looks okay here.

>>720369449
what monitor?

>>720369449
what monitor, is it miniled?

>>720369180
I'm just saying you don't have to follow the instructions for the 2nd and 3rd screens in that app, set it to whatever HDR brightness you want
The example image is only there to help you determine the maximum brightness of your monitor

>>720369496
Odyssey Ark.
>>720369518
Yes. VA MiniLED.

HDR is a fucking MEME and you cant convince me otherwise faggits.
>t. owns an LG C4 OLED HDR 65in
i was fucking fooled, this shit sucks ass

>VA sucks IPS sucks mini led sucks
do I just get an OLED and hope it lasts until humans figure out how to make good monitors?

>>720369793
>OLED
Anything below HDR1000 looks weak and OLEDs can only do HDR400

>>720369861
>hope it lasts
2-3 years
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=whuHuM9h88M

>>720369036
>>720369115
>>720369180
I will say that in some test videos it looks great, the best one being
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R4TPili5EY0

Watching this on my monitor looks fantastic, blacks are surprisingly deep (considering this isn't an OLED), and the bright parts are appropriately bright.
However, for general use as well as in vidya, HDR looks horrid. Does any game have a good implementation of HDR? As the few I've tried when demo'ing this screen have been absolute shit.

>>720369958
>However, for general use as well as in vidya, HDR looks horrid.
Have you tried adjusting this and turning off Auto-HDR?

>>720370074
For the last damn time, YES.

>>720369958
Mass Effect Legendary (especially 2) does great HDR. Jedi Fallen Order is also impressive. I posted THPS3+4 here: >>720369449. The Talos Principle 2 looks amazing. I leave it on more than off now that I ditched Firefox (it can't do HDR shit on videos, and will sometimes mangle the colors).

>>720369958
i mean it's a gayman monitor the quality will always be bottom of the barrel shit
I dont get people who spend big bucks on those monitors instead of getting something lika a lg g3 oled and enjoy near perfect quality
PC games with good HDR are for example:
Horizon games
new ratchet and clank
a ton of games that have RENOdx mod
Sony ports in general are decent somehow

>>720366525 (OP)
that's just HDR signal on a screen that can't process HDR metadata...

>>720370101
Well then I don't know, maybe your monitor is actually fucked. I never turn off HDR.

>>720370143
>I dont get people who spend big bucks on those monitor
It's a cheap monitor, I would not buy AOC if it was expensive. It's (by far) the cheapest HDR1000 VA miniLED display that I know of.

>>720370101
One last thing you can try is turning this off
In System > Display > Color management

>>720366525 (OP)
(You) issue. HDR looks stunning on my OLED. Something's wrong with your display.

>>720369870
Non-OLED HDR is ass. It's not about how bright it gets. You're not going to get black levels and contrast anywhere remotely as good as OLED on anything else.

>>720370274
Already off (also this has no effect when HDR is on anyway btw)
I think I might not like HDR all that much in gayming, it's cool in movies if only it was more widely supported.
But yeah, I'm sending this monitor back anyway as the coil whine is so bad that I'm leaning towards it being faulty.

>>720367429
>HDR was always a giant meme of washed out color
That sounds like something going wrong with passing of HDR signal. Fromsoftware games are awful about it on PC.

>>720369793
>HDR is a fucking MEME
I can understand people not liking wider color gamut, but HDR is so much better with any dark scenes with single light source and contrast in general.

>>720370413
I have an OLED for my living room, but I'm not ready to do it for a desktop monitor because I like having static images up all day.

>>720366525 (OP)

The reason why HDR is a SCAM for CONSUMERS is that to truly see HDR, you need a TV that can hit a minimum of 1000 nits FULL SCREEN white. consumer grade OLEDs cant do that unless is professional RGB OLEDs which are NOT sold to consumers. This is why I say FUCK OLED.

>>720370413
VA 1000+ MiniLED zones can get pretty close to OLED. And not having to worry about burn-in is a huge bonus

>>720370560

Too bad VA sucks.

>>720370413
>>720370479
How do people with OLED monitors avoid burn-in from the taskbar?

>>720370592
nuh-uh

>HDR on garbage LCD panels
lol
lmao, even

>>720370594
No idea, unless they're turning it off a lot, or fulscreening stuff so much it refreshes the pixels.

>>720370665
>shilling oled for free
literally janny tier behaviour

>>720370665
MiniLED panels*
Perfect blacks without the burn-in

>>720370221
Fren it will not loog good i was there i know
Gayman monitors have the worst panels calibration and software then you have grafics monitors those can be good but are stupid expensive. In the end it is always better to buy a tv the market for TVs is fiercely competitive so for a price of a monitor you will always get better quality with a tv
Now as to the HDR1000 and similar standards those are loose and unmoderated in essence manufacturers can cheat the standard easily(which is why LG doesnt even bother with it and just uses Dolby vision standard).
HRD as a tech is expensive and very high end so cheap equipment will not display it well during this time.
In the end if you want HDR for real you need to buy a good tv

>>720370803
TVs have awful response times typically, and I don't exactly want a 40"+ screen on my desk even though my desk is actually large enough to fit that

why are people responsing to a image with no context

yes hdr sucks on edgelit lcd
it doesnt suck on oled with games made to support it

REMINDER that OLEDs that are sold in stores uses Quantum Dots and color filters to produce Red and Green.

TRUE RGB OLEDs (pic related the one on the left) where there are red and green OLEDs producing light are NOT sold to you. You are being scammed.

>>720370986
i can live with that

>>720370789
>Perfect blacks
until it starts moving

>>720370904
OLED Tvs are faster than monitors these days xD
They have multiple modes you know one for perfect colors and motion which is slow(still unnoticeable) and gayman ones that are hyper fast.
Monitors are not worth if you want quality i moved to a 55in tv and love it so much better than monitors in every way. Just put it on some minidesk or a stand behind your desk its not hard at all

>>720371148
Why get a 55" TV when you can just get a 55" monitor?

>>720370789
miniled is lcd. enjoy your blooming
now MICROLED might be an oled competitor in like 15 years

>>720366525 (OP)
I have this issue with my PC, on an LG C3 everything looked amazing in HDR, in my new QD-OLED MSI display everything looks extremely overblown and bad.
I'd suggest if you're planning to buy an OLED display, pick one with WOLED tech or just an LG C tv.

>>720371065

I cant. I use technology that the professionals use and what they use are LCDs.

>>720371148
I'll consider it, but I'd have to sit so much further back it wouldn't be too comfortable.

>thread gets flooded with LG shills
every time.

>>720371315
you have a 30k dollar monitor?

>>720371459
Chinese shills have infested this site for years. They show up for LG, Stellar Blade, Wukong, InZoi, Persona, and other shit.

>>720366525 (OP)
HDR is weird, for me sometimes it's work sometimes it's not.

>>720371597
I think the biggest issue is the games that "support" it rarely implement it properly, so no matter how you try to calibrate it won't look right from game-to-game.

>>720371584

I said TECHNOLOGY you dumb motherfucker. The professional and broadcast monitors uses LIQUID CRYSTAL DISPLAYS.

>>720371680
if it doesn't cost 30k dollar it's not the same technology

>>720371658
Yep.

>>720371208
good LD algorithm won't give you bloom

>>720371459

Fuck LG and their WOLED bullshit technology. I would never buy an OLED, but I were forced to buy one I'd get a QD-OLED.

>>720371858
yes I also would like my blacks to look purple on my expensive and fragile monitor

>/v/ unironically shilling OLED
>a technology built on planned obsolescence
a bunch of consooomer piggers ITT

>>720366525 (OP)
chances are that it is SDR which is being displayed incorrectly.

many monitors (especially HDR monitors) can display a wide colour gamut, often around DCI-P3.

SDR is not wide gamut. it is Rec709. however, often by default, displays will not take that into account and will essentially stretch the Rec.709 gamut to fill the display's native gamut, resulting in the image being oversaturated.

HDR is ultra wide gamut. HDR uses Rec.2020, which is wider than DCI-P3. displays will always take this into account, and will show most of the gamut mostly accurately and only compromise on some of the extremes so that its not clipping data.

but, not all HDR content makes full use of the colour gamut. many movies will only use the DCI-P3 portion of the gamut, because that's what theatrical movies are mastered at. many games will barely push outside of the Rec.709 portion, and will only focus on the brightness part of HDR.

what this means is that, if the HDR image is mostly just Rec.709, it should be equal to SDR in terms of saturation. but, if your display is stretching Rec.709 SDR to its native gamut, then the SDR version will look more saturated. but it shouldn't be.

go into the monitor settings in SDR and see if you can enable a gamut clamp; you'll probably have an sRGB mode, which has the same gamut as Rec.709, so pick that, and see if the SDR version matches HDR more closely.

>>720366525 (OP)
Probably fake. They did the same with the previous technology.

>>720366971
>>720367429
>>720369793
Just say you own shitty nvidia gpu

>>720370594
OLEDfags speak up, what's the answer to this?

>>720370594
they have to babysit it and run their 15-minute long optimization cycle every 2 hours

>>720366525 (OP)
I hate hdr all it does it wash out the colors and give me a headache because the monitor is so bright

>>720372006
hide taskbar

>>720370594
>>720372006
You guys never used a phone or WDDM fucking GPU? taskbar is transparent, mpo accelerated, and auto hides if you want it. if that all fails use a fucking screensaver or auto sleep like every phone and 90s pc does

>>720371718

Yeah, you are a retard or a ChtatGPT bot.

>>720372005
Why would the GPU make a difference?

SDR content on OLED looks better than HDR on IPS.

>>720368292
>what are defective units

>>720366525 (OP)
I have windows 10 with a 1000nit monitor. The image looks like that whenever the game or monitor is not providing the HDR signal. Does that monitor give you a confirmation that HDR is actually enabled? Are you playing in fullscreen?

>Turn up contrast on my normal monitor
whoah, i have HDR now

>>720372815
Penises that can't get erect.

>>720372815
manlets

>>720372927
silly anon, that's not how hdr works at all

what a fucking stupid thread

>>720373189
yeah a bunch of retards here who don't realize that MiniLED is the future

>>720373146
Pretty sure it is. I have ray tracing in Postal 2 because it has mirrors. You shills are trying to get me to upgrade from my 560Ti, but it's all anyone ever needs.

>>720370594
translucent tb can be dl'd from microsoft store to turn taskbar translucent
windhawk app can used to switch taskbar position from bottom to be vertical instead

like pic related

>>720370478
>HDR is so much better
Meme for poorfags blowing their money. Just use any monitor, they all look fine

>>720372375
I agree with that, you can get a good experience out of OLED by never touching HDR. The actual HDR selling point of OLED however is lacklustre. I was just never blown away by it. It wasn't really life changing, I just sort of shrugged.

>>720372006
My oled is second screen without taskbar.

>>720371919
>never had burnins on crt, va or ips
casual

>>720373820
That's an idea. If I get a nice big OLED for a secondary screen and put a black background up, I could leave it on all day.

>>720372006
Hide taskbar, hide desktop icons, black background and screen saver for me. I'm more cautious than I should be though. I just don't want to take chances. I have a dedicated secondary monitor for MMOs to avoid the risk of a static HUD that would likely cause problems.

I thought hdr was a meme because there's literally no way anyone can show me on my current display how good proper hdr looks. it wasn't until I went over to my buddies place and saw it on his TV that everything clicked. Still don't think it's worth spending all that extra money for it. also trying to stream hdr on discord makes everything look completely whited out and unwatchable.

I played Indiana Jones with HDR on and honestly it was really nice.

>>720373903
My old VA has a big yellow spot in the middle, the monitor is 10 years old

>>720374045
>it wasn't until I went over to my buddies place and saw it on his TV that everything clicked.
There's nothing that clicks, it's a minor improvement sometimes. Occasionally a highlight stands out. I think you'd might have to brute force unnaturally vivid scenes for it to 'click'. Maybe in a horror game there's a little more detail, but it's not worth what people think it's worth.

>>720374573
HDR makes everything look more natural, 3D even

>>720370594
i just set it to autohide, never had an issue in the 2 years ive owned the aw3423dwf.

>>720374789
>3D even
Marketing fluff. Shut the hell up. I really hate how people oversell it.

>>720366525 (OP)
How come older games don't need HDR/SDR even when on a modern tv? This shit feels like a scam somehow.
>erm, sorry your TV isn't SDR compatible. Pls buy a new $500 TV if you want color back XD
???

>>720370594
Upgrade to a task cube

>>720374939
... because they dont render in hdr? are you a retard?

>>720366525 (OP)
Literally the same

>>720366694
the left cant HDR

>>720374872
I'm just saying what a VA miniled with 1100+ zones looks like. It feels 3D, even in SDR.

>>720374939
I'm pretty sure it does require SDR, or there'd be no colors.

>>720366758
>have to recalibrate for every game individually
HDR gaming is a complete meme
cool for videos tho

>>720375228
>have to calibrate brightness for every game individually
gaming is such a meme

>>720375228
You don't have to calibrate it for every game.
Just use this app once and Auto HDR will do the rest.

>>720366525 (OP)
is the monitor in 1000 nits mode? my Alienware looked bad until I changed smart HDR: HDR peak 1000
>>720372006
OLEDs shift pixels around and does the optimization thing when you turn off the monitor, there is no burn-in

>>720374573
>Maybe in a horror game there's a little more detail,
Any time you enter darker room or cave in game, you will have more detail. Going with oled you get response times better than ips nad contrast better than va. It is better experience, but for many probably it's not worth cost.

>>720374985
So HDR is supposed to be some new tech shit to widen the scale of colors, but somehow the result is... less color? Then why do we need it? Sounds like some stupid shit that's actually supposed to help cameras encode light more accurately and games get fucked over because it's all made in a computer and devs calibrate with different settings.

But then why do my old games look totally fine?

>>720369036
try this
https://github.com/ledoge/dwm_eotf

>>720375359
You can force wider color gamut in SDR content, but I wouldn't recommend it.

>games get fucked over because it's all made in a computer and devs calibrate with different settings.
Devs can take HDR into account. If you enable HDR and result is washed up colors then either windows, game or display failed somewhere with HDR data.

I always disable HDR on my gaming monitor and big screen TV.
The colors usually look worse, like washed out and grey.

>how OLED ruined me
>how OLED broke me
>how OLED cured my chronic depression
>how OLED saved me
>how OLED made me stand in front of a green screen with a microphone for 2 hours
>how OLED made me love video games again

>>720375593
you too try this >>720375509
this should make sdr content look good on an hdr monitor
windows hdr tries not to crush colors, that's why it may look "washed"

>>720375294
>have to calibrate brightness for every game
You don't in SDR space

>>720375316
Win11's auto HDR is dogshit my dude
>>720375320
>is the monitor in 1000 nits mode?
Not OP but that monitor is always 1000 nits (around 1100 nits actually), and has no other HDR modes available, just a brightness control.

>>720367939
>QLED
lol?

>>720366525 (OP)
>ps5
lol, hdr without brightness/contrast/saturation configuration is useless

>>720376160
Windows 11 auto HDR is dogshit on Nvidia. It's broken beyond belief there and Nvidia uses their own RTX HDR instead which is better or worse.

It just works on AMD and Intel.

>>720376298
>Intel
>just works
highly doubt
intel have the worst graphics libraries known to man

>>720366971
>AOC Q27G3XMN
I have the same one, HDR looks decent compared to my TV so seems like a (You) issue to me.

>>720372294
Nvidia along with MS are leading HDR developments on PC and DX12, his brand loyalty to AMD makes him dumber.

>>720376160
>Win11's auto HDR is dogshit
it just works though, in windowed and fullscreen games
nvidia hdr needs too much tinkering and doesn't work in windowed mode

>>720376298
I have an Nvidia card and Auto HDR works great for me, maybe it was patched

HDR can’t really look washed out because it’s designed to show more colors than a regular SDR monitor can. It’s basically impossible for it to look washed out. That’s like saying your mouse can’t click. If it does look washed out, either it’s a fake HDR monitor or you did something wrong.

>>720377265
Game engines don't natively support HDR color space, so HDR in games is done as a post-process via color grading instead, and this is often done poorly. It wouldn't surprise me if Astro Bot (game in OP's image) in one such example where they crushed the colorspace, resulting in whitewashing. Other games, like Cyberpunk, can end up with crushed blacks in HDR mode as they handled it wrongly in the other direction.

>>720377487
I found the original post, it seems they didn't calibrate the console properly or he is doing something wrong and the PS5 is not seeing the HDR feature properly.

>>720366525 (OP)
imagine being such a shitflinging techlet that you look at objectively superior technology (more colors and higher peaks) and try to pretend it's shit because your smoothbrain can't comprehend it
then again this is the board that shits on 4k
why not make a "60fps bros... what is this?" thread next?

>>720368398
The calibration tool is weird and I'm not convinced by it. I own an OLED mini monitor for my laptop rated at 600nits which is about right with my monitor in SDR but when I run the tool in HDR mode as people have said to do then it goes all the way up to 1200 nits, both full screen and max.

>>720378280
some monitors have dynamic tone mapping, which results in the monitor incorrectly reporting the brightness
ignore the instructions and set it to the values advertised by your monitor
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9h1YeYzV9Jc

>>720375359
>So HDR is supposed to be some new tech shit to widen the scale of colors
No, its to widen the scale of luminance
>but somehow the result is... less color?
Because the actual implementation pretty much always gets fucked up depending on the monitor/OS/hardware/software/etc. Its just like trying to use Bluetooth in 2006. Maybe one day they'll get it right.

>>720366525 (OP)
HDR is a meme. I've never had it look better than SDR in a game, and I have an alienware 1000nits OLED. You can see the difference if you REALLY pay attention, but when I have to pull out a camera with manual settings to tell what the actual difference is it's a meme.

>>720366525 (OP)
>Game outputs sdr signal into hdr container
Blame the incompetent devs

is this really how mini leds look ???

>>720379627
Depends on how many dimming zones they have, but even if it has thousand, then oled has few thousands times more.

>>720379627
Mine is >>720369449, and it has 1056 dimming zones.

>>720366525 (OP)
Anon turns on hdr on his display for an sdr game and complains when it shows his sdr game in accurate srgb colorspace

>>720366525 (OP)
>2025
>SDR
let me guess. They're also playing at 1080p

>>720379627
It all depends on how many led zones it has and how good the local dimming algorithm is

>>720380920
Minileds even with 1000 olus zones either have blooming or reverse blooming aka dark voids and even the 2000 plus models cant do stars leds etc

>>720366525 (OP)
>AOC
lol

meme brand

>>720381043
Notice how this anon is a bot

>>720381043
it's the only brand that actually matters, they make panels for every other major brand

HDR is worst gimmick even worse than 3D
when will this shit end, so annoying downloading a movie and its HDR

>>720381019
You won't see blooming with a good local dimming algorithm. Miniled gives you near OLED visuals without the risk of burn-in and constant optimization cycles.

>>720370594
I have 3 monitors and my oled doesn't have a taskbar, I use it for games exclusively

I will NEVER use HDR and I will NEVER buy an OLED and there's NOTHING that you can say that will change my mind.

>>720370594
They don't really burn in anymore.

>>720381328
HDR1000 minileds are $250 now

>>720381387
demonstrably false

>>720366525 (OP)
I know the common advice is that HDR should be turned off for SDR game but I really like the way some SDR games look with HDR on in windowed/borderless mode with the regular desktop HDR tonemapping. I've been playing Left 4 Dead 2 like this for a couple of days since neither auto HDR or RTX HDR are compatible and toggling HDR is a pian. It's not crushed and oversaturated like when you display SDR content on a HDR monitor, the colors seem actually somewhat compressed, it's like a filmic LUT almost. Only issue is the black floor is raised compared to SDR or proper HDR.

>>720381387
and IPS monitors don't glow and VA monitors don't have black smearing anymore

>>720366525 (OP)
>buy HDR monitor so I can play some HDR gaymes
>turns out that HDR on PC is just FUBAR

>>720381387
yes if you use it as a tv

>>720379627
I love the depth you get with OLED. I got one recently and there are issues with it of course but the luminance depth gives it an almost 3D like effect. They have VR headsets coming out now with OLED panels, they must look amazing.

>>720381393
Where?

If HDR and OLED were so great, they'd instantly be adopted as the default standards
So why haven't they?

>>720381672
Not in EU apparently, because of some weird power draw limitations for monitors, because they want to save the environment

>CRTs
>Looked great, great response, motion, feel like literal magic
>Flat panels
>20 years later, still debating about which one doesn't give you the shortest stick
Gamers, it's time to admit we got scammed.

>>720381765
Angry poorfags

>>720381765
It's a slow process. OLEDs will fade into obscurity like Plasma TV did. Miniled will continue to improve and increase the number of dimming zones
And eventually Microled will replace all monitor tech

>>720381873
CRTs had shit geometry, ghosting, glare and burned your eyes

>>720381995
>CRT technology was so great and magnificent that it was like staring at the sun

>>720381995
>the screen was actually TOO bright, despite perfect blacks
Fuck you. people like you are the ones who ruin everything.

>>720381765
HDR is too annoying to setup properly due to a lack of consistency across HDR media.
There's also a huge lack of HDR media in general.

>>720381873
>Gamers, it's time to admit we got scammed.
>CRTs
So durable that if something indeed goes wrong, a suggested fix is to hit it as hard as you can
>Flat panels
Breaks if you sneeze in its general direction and cannot be fixed. Included a $20 disposal fee with its purchase price because they knew it would die and fill the local landfill

>>720381268
And yet theres no miniled monitor that can give oled like visuals in dark scenes

>>720382087
lmao you weren't there zoomie

>>720382202
>hdr annoying to set up
>open win11 calibration tool one time
>play game that actually offers hdr
Damn that was so easy

>>720381994
>It's a slow process.
Why wasn't it that way when changing away from CRT?

>>720382509
>win11
there's your problem

>>720373269
postal 2 is nortubel tier anyway

>>720382509
>open win11 calibration tool one time
How do I do that on my Wii U?

>>720382562
Windows 11 is the only operating system with excellent HDR support.

>>720382562
Calm down linuxtranny

>>720382669
>>720382684
normalfags HATE windows 11.
HDR won't get wide adoption if win11 is the best option for PC HDR.

>>720374939
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO YOU CAN'T USE A MODERN TV YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO SCOUR THE INTERNET FOR HOURS A DAY FOR A BARELY FUNCTIONAL OVERPRICED CRT THAT'S ON BORROWED TIME

>>720382731
>normalfags
you spelled poorfags wrong

>>720381765
It's great, but even for movies there are like 2 standards and depending on TV, one of them might not work correctly. It's even worse for pc.
They can't just abandon SDR as it would mean abandoning majority of market. At same time most HDR options are too expensive and it was still fairly recently that 1440p monitor OLEDs were almost as pricey as 42" OLED TVs. Things are finally moving and there are viable sub 300$ miniled options but it will take time.
By going further with your argument, we should've stayed at 1080p 60fps.

>>720382816
>poorfags
???
windows doesn't cost anything

>>720382891
Except a PC made after 2016.

>>720382731
Normalfags were the first to adopt and still use win11

>>720383038
You can install win11 regardless, the TPM 2.0 requirement is a nothingburger.

>>720382884
>eve for tv there are like 2 standards
Retard.
Dolby vision and hdr10plus are both backwards compatible with hdr10. You cant have issues.

>>720383120
Win11's pathetic market share proves this claim is false. In fact, Windows 11's market share has DECLINED throughout the year, showing that people tried it, hated it, and switched back to Win 10.

>>720382731
lol

>>720370986
>>720371680
>cut down cheapo oleds bad
>cut down cheapo lcds fine

>HDR is a meme!
>I hate Nvidia!
>Windows 11 is garbage!
So it was always cucked loonix/amd fags seething about HDR? not surprised

>>720383187
That's partially true. There are DV streams that don't include the hdr10 data, but they're part of an older standard. It's more common now to include the hdr10 base.

>>720383187
You can have issues cretin. If you fall back to HDR10 and your display manufacturer's tone mapping is shit, then you will lost highlights or brightness in general.

I feel sorry whenever I see anyone arguing HDR isn't an improvement, if you've ever seen correctly configured HDR there's no contest its a huge improvement.The industry as a whole needs to stop being absolute omega niggers and agree on a license free descriptor standard so that AT LEAST FOR A START all HDR player/receivers can sync metadata and configure automatically. The switch 2 is still using the horrendous "move the slider until the white looks right" setup, along with the "test image" you see after which actually represents the paper white level (IIRC), its total nonsense for average end user and the image looks like hot ass if you dont understand you're setting up your display in the procedure.

>>720384274
Uh, I watched a SDR YouTube video at 144p and I can't tell the difference, CHUD. :3

>>720383402
OH NO NO NO NO

>>720374045
My first HDR game was Forza Horizon 3 on Xbox One and it looked amazing. I was sold from then on. I dont know what people are doing to make their games look so bad but other than weird outliers like Resident Evil 7 everything looks better with HDR enabled.

>>720383491
I use win11, so I can safely say it is utter garbage.
Unfortunately, I have to use it.

I still don't know what HDR is supposed to do

>>720384841
wider range of colors with more contrast

There should be 1 line of monitors available, it should exclusively use the most cutting edge technology, and it should be expensive. If you can't afford it, you can get an older model from a previously sanctioned line that should make backwards compatibility pretty straightforward across a few generations.
This is why apple will win in the long run.

>>720384820
I use win11, so I can safely say it works on my machine.™
Fortunately, I have a large penis.

>>720385010
You must be 18 or over to post on this website

>>720385139
>under 18
>my penis is larger than the 19 year old boomer's
Grim.

>>720384976
>This is why apple will win in the long run.
huh? only pro video editors buy apple monitors

>>720385683
But everybody should be, and will eventually realize.

>>720385202
Oh yeah? Show me

>>720385762
why? apple is still stuck at 60hz

>>720385846
I mean, it's not like there are games for the Mac.

>>720386428
60hz is fine for most games. Games should be optimized to work well at 60hz first and foremost.

>>720385790
Look! It looks better if I view in under circumstances that I didn't, and am not viewing it under!
Man, it sure is good that I'm not editing every one of my frames in lightroom as I ingest them into my eyes, otherwise HDR might be worth it.

>>720386784
60fps is disgusting.

Is there anything bad about setting my OLED panel to always use 1000 nits and not lowering to 400 nits via the service factory menu? I tried it already and it works but i reverted the settings.

My monitor has no active cooling and I know doing this would probably halve its' lifespan or rather take half the usual time to start getting burn-in.

>>720366525 (OP)
>PS5
Can't display HDR properly. Try with an Xbox.

>>720387037
burn in is nonlinear. doubling the brightness quadruples burn in

>get Samsung G85SD
>displayport doesn't support HDR10+ in the 7 games that actually use it
>buy certified 48Gbps HDMI 2.1 cable
>try it in those games that support HDR10+ GAMING a.k.a Dolby Vision
>screen starts flashing between dark colors and bright, over-exposed blacks
>only stops if I disable GSYNC
How do I fix this?

>>720384237
no retard

>>720375112
underrated

>>720387245
Fake story because these monitors include a 2.1 HDMI cable aswell as a DP 1.4 (or in the case of a 2.1 monitor, a DP 2.1 cable)

Dolby Vision isnt HDR10+, Samsung does not support Dolby Vision. You're a retard and full of shit.

I've tried HDR across multiple games on a VA and IPS screen and I just came to the conclusion that it will never ever look good no matter how much you try configuring it, it is just OBJECTIVELY worse than SDR no matter what in every game, no matter your Windows settings, TV settings, control panel settings, or in-game settings.
It's just easier to assume it's just for OLEDs at this point. It's just that we've seen so many arguments for fake HDR and how it can still be better than SDR, but it's never the case. It should be against the law to put HDR on the boxes of VA and IPS screens.

>>720387096
Fug, once I get burn in and do a warranty on it can they see if I ever accessed the service menu? It's a Samsung monitor with Tizen.

>>720387394
Cyberpunk looks objectively better with it on. Try again. You dont have an HDR capable display, as in a real MiniLED with bare minimum 500 zones and good algorithm or an OLED.

Also you're running SDR games in "HDR" lol

>>720387394
>HDR requires an OLED or at least a miniLED
No shit, this isn't news.

>>720387387
I only got a DP cable in my monitor box, and by Dolby Vision I meant HDR10+ GAMING.
It's also known that Nvidia currently only supports HDR10+ GAMING over HDMI 2.1

As for Dolby Vision, it's just HDR10+ GAMING but with an expensive license that lets the manufacturer call it "Dolby Vision". Google around and you'll see that it's true, here's even an excerpt from wikipedia about it.

>>720387867
No retard

>>720387867
HDR10+ is an ALTERNATIVE, not the same thing,
Its not Dolby Vision, theyre completely different. They dont even look the same when you compare a HDR10+ Movie to a Dolby Vision movie. They have entirely different metadata.

Its like saying a Volvo XC90 and a Dodge Ram is the same.

>>720388362
dolby vision looks worse

>>720387387
My Odyssey Ark, Samsung's most expensive monitor, didn't include a HDMI cable at all. He is a dipshit for trying DV, though.

>>720387245
>support HDR10+ in the 7 games that actually use it
You dont actually understand what that means btw
All games support HDR10+ and more, you can set the max luminance as far as you want un UE games or with renodx
Dont blame you tho as HDr is an absolute nightmare to understand in its current form

>>720382520
Because CRTs are very difficult/costly to make, not to mention bulky.
Manufacturers jumped at the chance.

>>720387473
>>720387527
That's what I'm saying. I'm just saying it out loud so people with non-OLED don't waste their time and Google reddit results about how it's actually supposed to look washed out and shitty because it's more "realistic"
Once I saw a friend with an OLED I finally understood it, that HDR is a meme on LCD.
You'd just think it would be far more common knowledge that it ALWAYS looks worse than SDR on LCD panels.

>>720388461
dolby vision looks much better than hdr10 and hdr10+ for movies

>>720389073
you know miniled monitors are lcds

and youre going from oversaturated wide gamut sdr to hdr tonemapping your sdr content into srgb which is accurate but look washed out because you went from oversaturated wide gamut sdr to accurate sdr

>>720386935
You're the guy who says there's no difference between 60fps and 300fps
While using a 60hz monitor.

>>720390503
theres inputlag differences at 60hz when getting 300 fps
but theres no visual difference

>>720375228
>>720375316
POOOOOR

A good screen doesnt need to calibrate per game or need a secondary app.
It looking grey only means it accepts the hdr input. Hdr 1000 only in theory means it has a 1000nit brightness.
A good screen looks night and day with hdr.

>sdr photo of a monitor without calibrating hdr to the monitor's specs
Every complaint about modern technology comes from people who can't afford it or have no clue what they're doing, bar none.

>>720390723
Dude. The animation smoothness from 60 to 90 alone is staggering. It's obvious that 60 looks like shit. This is poorfag cope on a level that even Steamies schizo doesn't attempt.

>>720390812
>t. actual retard that has no clue about HDR

>>720390723
The point was that you won't see difference between 60 or 300 on a 60hz monitor. Same way, you won't see visual differences, you might even see a downgrade, if you're using HDR without a capable HDR monitor. That gif I posted was merely to illustrate the difference you would see if you were using a HDR monitor, it obviously is not an HDR image as you on SDR will not be able to see it.

I have a q90b 50
Is my TV good for HDR?
Every single time I tried it looked like shit

>>720391496
https://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/samsung/qn90b-qled
The 65 inch sure is.

Also if "hdr looks bad" its you being a retard most likely or trying to run it with sdr content.

>>720390812
Any monitor needs to be calibrated retard

Massive industrial levels of cope from HDRtards ITT
bullshit placebo technology

>>720392395
Post Windows regional settings. You won't.

MicroLED affordability to end the OLED/LCD wars never soon enough.

>>720366694
Cortez is the stupidest and most incompetent politician in America, I agree.

>>720391785
it's the 50''
I tried with the following games and all looked pretty much the same as SDR:
monster wilds
lies of p
elden ring
nioh 2
wukong
sifu

>>720392395
Post specs in front of your post
you wont

>>720392514
do any of those even offer hdr

>>720392501
But she's so hot.

>>720392634
looks like a half orc with fas

>>720392581
yes, all of them

>>720392667
What's wrong with that?

>>720392679
does "hdr" pop up in the top right when you play them though, is your brightness at max

>>720392514
Try games made by people who aren't squinting all the time. Why do you think the color range is limited?

>>720392395
good day sir

>>720392915
brightness is at max but no HDR logo or anything appears on top right

>>720393013
I'm also asian and I can see colors just fine you motherfucking racist american

>>720393105
press the OK button and it should tell you

Some DoA HDR pics, nsfw
https://files.catbox.moe/7hsv4z.avif
https://files.catbox.moe/m7srr7.avif
https://files.catbox.moe/5l1gx5.avif
HDR is a pretty cool technology, as you can see

>>720393176
>I'm also asian

>1000+ MiniLED zone monitors are $200 in China
The very same monitors are being sold with a 3x markup in the west.
It's so unfair bros.

>>720366971
It's probably you, I just bought a C5 to use as a monitor and I thought the HDR on movies and shows looked like shit. Turns out I just needed to change the renderer on MPC HC. Now it looks fucking great. So the problem is probably you.

>>720394685
In MPC you just set it to MPC Video Renderer

VLC you dont need to do anything

Though neither of them can play Dolby Vision in Dolby Vision they just tonemap to HDR10 with static metadata. So you need Energy Media Player + some extensions from the windows store.

>>720394685
>>720395676
that's great but I don't watch movies & tv on my PC

>>720366525 (OP)
i thought this hdr grey shit was only a problem on pc? what is the fucking point of hdr if this is happening even with tvs, consoles, pcs, and more? is there anywhere where hdr looks good?

>>720366525 (OP)
The lights from OLED and QLED displays fuck with your brain to the same extent doing meth would.

>>720396108
Hes playing SDR content in HDR.

When you enable HDR. And look at SDR content. SDR content is tonemapped to sRGB. Which means it looks undersaturated and washed out. But this is correct.

When most people turn on HDR they get shocked by this because they by default run oversaturated and clipped colors in SDR due to wide gamut/native color space.

But if they ran ACTUAL HDR content in HDR it would look just as vivid if not more vivid than SDR does. Not to mention the brightness increases in highlights.

>>720388362
But almost everyone on the internet is saying Dolby Vision is just HDR10+ GAMING but with a license to be able to say it's dolby vision. Are they lying or what?
>>720388269
No what? HDR10+ GAMING genuinely only works over HDMI 2.1 on Nvidia cards (works on DP and HDMI on AMD cards, maybe). There was a support forum post and they confirmed that al current Nvidia cards only support HDR10+ GAMING via HDMI 2.1, same for the samsung monitor I'm talking about.

And no it didn't come with an HDMI 2.1 cable, you're probably confusing my G8 model with the one that had mini-DP and mini-HDMI and USB-C. This one has two full-sized HDMI 2.1 ports and one DP 1.4 port.

>>720396235
ive played hdr games with a good hdr tv and the color still desaturates a bit though, usually. the only time ive seen hdr look good is when its a tv with some sort of hdr movie from a streaming service.

>>720396342
its not and youre retarded
>>720396108
could also be that the OP (redditor) is in the wrong range since hes using a PS5 with a monitor, he might be in limited instead of full or vice versa.

>>720396440
>the color still desaturates a bit though
HDR just allows you to see more colors due to hardware capabilities, most games have HDR configuration options that lets you bump the Saturation if you think it doesn't look good with the default configuration.

>>720396440
I find games do it better because you're never at the mercy of video compression.

>>720392470
>>720393041
>>720392523
thanks for proving my point, ameritards
no, I'm not Indian
no, I don't use windows
no, I won't post my specs, because no matter how good they are, they will never be good enough for "the true HDR experience" as you have proved in this thread

>>720396926
>Loonix tard
as expected

>>720396926
hes scared
>>720396440
colors only desaturate if come from oversaturated wide gamut retard

i dont get what hdr is supposed to do
it just washes out colors

>>720396926
>no, I'm not Indian
>no, I don't use windows
Those two statements conflict.
The fact that you're raging about technology and refuse to post anything showing you're not a third world phoneposter, you prove me right.
I had a 980Ti I used before this 4090 came in stock, and it did HDR fine. It doesn't exactly strain resources.
You likely have a shitty monitor or don't know how to configure your PC. You also don't use Windows, which means your HDR support is broken at worst or weak at best.

>>720366525 (OP)
So HDR just a meme? Or at worst a marketing scheme to sell certain monitors?

>>720397097
It's a meme. occasionally if the devs are absolute rockstars a bright light will appear brighter, but you'd never know.

>>720396447
>its not
What isn't, HDR10+ GAMING being a renamed Dolby Vision? I said I only thought that because everyone on various forums keeps repeating it.

And this is what I mean by HDR10+ GAMING. It usually just says ON, or it says HDR10+ if there is HDR10+ supported content.

However starting a game from this short list
https://hdr10plus.org/games/
makes it say HDR10+ GAMING and the flickering kicks in. The Last Descendant somehow automatically enables HDR10+ GAMING even if it's off in the monitor settings.
Cyberpunk 2077 lets you control it.

>>720397087
>>720396998
>>720396981
>almost instant replies

>>720396926
>no, I'm not Indian
>no, I don't use windows

>>720397267
Notifications show up in my tabs when someone replies to me.

>>720366525 (OP)
How is HDR this inconsistent and so much of a PITA to set up when SDR is piss easy and basically plug and play? Whoever invented HDR fucked up bad, ease of use is KING in consumer products and always will be. I can get better results with an old-ass CCFL-backlit TN panel with a few minutes of basic config than most HDRbros can faffing around with their shit for multiple days. Absolutely nuts.

>>720397251
And I forgot to say, with this my monitor flickers between an image with good colors and an image that looks like someone put a gray overlay over it. It goes away if I disable GSYNC and stays on the image where the colors don't look like they have a gray filter over them.

With DP 1.4 the monitor just says "HDR On" when I switch the toggle in Cyberpunk.

My HDMI cable is certified as 48Gbps, however looking at the settings through CRU says it's set to 40Gbps. I tried changing it to 48Gbps and saving it however it did jack shit.

Here is a picture of the refresh rates in Windows Settings, it's not a flat 175 but 174,96 Hz. I also have 1000 nits mode disabled but even with it on the refresh rates and flickering are the same.

I did not calibrate it with the HDR calibration tool.

>>720366525 (OP)
Turn your black levels up idiot

>>720397496
Because, as always, no one could bother to use any one standard and it all fell apart from there. The same enshittification is happening to USB-C.

>>720397496
>ease of use is KING in consumer products and always will be
Fucking this.
Any time I point this out about HDR (or any other tech for that matter), the common response is someone insinuating that you should expect to spend the time troubleshooting it, with the implication that you're stupid if you don't want to bother.
No, fuck that.

If I'm paying a premium for modern tech, it should work out the box. Time is money; I should not have to troubleshoot and reconfigure things for individual pieces of media to be as they should be. It should work with the least user setup possible or it will never take off. My time isn't worth wasting on the optimal setup when it does not work as intended.

>>720397654
Some guy has a similar model to mine but he has the flickering problem in all games, not just HDR10+ GAMING ones, here's a video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AynTEV9G-xg
This is what it looks like for me, but the flashing is a lot faster than the one this guy has.

>>720397774
I will never understand why they decided on 3 different denominations of USB 3.2
>USB 3.2 gen 1x1 (SS)
>USB 3.2 gen 2x1 (SS+)
>USB 3.2 gen 2x2 (SS-20)

>>720397496
It's not that bad to set up. I use Dylan Raga's gamma fix and then adjust the sliders ingame. Black level is almost always minimum, and white level is 1000nits, which is usually specified in the settings.
>>720397654
I think it's trying to push a brightness your monitor doesn't want to do (OLEDs tend to be dimmer than MiniLEDs to save the pixels from burning in). That 400nits max is what worries me. It's as if your media is calibrated to hit higher, and your display doesn't want to.
I'm not sure how GSync would factor in, though. Is that "enable GSync settings for the selected display" option selected for you? It usually works around some device-specific quirks.

>>720397251
Its not dolby vision you dumb eggheaded retard.
>>720397654
>400 nits
why are you in true black mode.

>>720366694
What does the Age of Consent have to do with this?

>>720398387
>why are you in true black mode.
Because gaming mode puts me in it automatically for some reason. If I exit game mode that renames itself to "Adaptive-Sync" when i turn game mode on, it puts me into 1000 nits mode.

There's a service menu tweak that lets you use 1000 nits with game mode on but I have no idea how that's even possible, I tried it and then used the windows calibration tool and it clips at 1000 but that still makes no sense.

>>720398682
Also enabling game mode is the only way to enter true black mode. It has a certification for HDR1000 and TrueBlack HDR400 but there's no dedicated trueblack toggle.

>>720398682
sounds like that display is fucking shit

>>720397085
Retard>>720385790

>>720399340
Eh, the menus fucking suck cock, HDR10+ GAMING is broken with GSYNC and the model of the G8 I have doesn't even have reviews, it's some mystery Samsung G8 model that only some European countries got and no one reviewed it.

But the colors in normal HDR, TrueBlack HDR and HDR10+ look amazing so I'll just endure not being able to use a feature that only 7 games in total have, most of which are Cock of Duty games.

>>720385790
Is there a video version of this? I want to compare it on my HDR display with HDR on and HDR off and see if it has the same effect as the gif.

>>720399748
The G85SD is the same as the G85SB

>>720399840
If you have two displays just look up an HDR trailer (in an hdr capable browser like chrome) for a movie and then put the non HDR version on your SDR display at the same time and look for bright things like the sun, candles, fire etc

I have LG 34GS95QE OLED and HDR just works in every supported game. No HDR10+ support just normal HDR10.

>>720366525 (OP)
Is it actually HDR? Is it on? What happens when you up the saturation?

>>720399943
Why would they change the last letter of the model number? Just regional bullshit or are there some disabled or enabled features?
That's why I'm confused as to why there's no reviews of it.

>>720366971
Remember the monitor itself and panel need to be set then you need to download the HDR calibrator set 1000 nits per white/dark and then you judge.

>>720400449
samsung does it for refreshed models

>>720397496
SDR
>map RGB/YUV values to 1/256th step on display
HDR
>map RGB/YUV values to 1/1024th step on display
>except oops, sometimes it's 1/256th step + dithering
>except it's also sometimes 1/1024th step + dithering
>except it's also sometimes 1/4096th step
>and you also need to map content according to capabilities of the display
>and the content has data about how it was mastered on a professional video monitor that is 100x the capabilities of whatever consumer shit exists
>so this must be accounted for
>also that metadata can change every frame
>also the source might have calibration setup differently
>also it matters how the GPU renders things, with different GPUs capable of different HDR rendering
>you have at the very most a few milliseconds to do all this for the entire 8.3M pixels (can't have input lag after all)
Yes, HDR is too complicated. Prepare yourself because future versions will only get worse.

>>720400047
I tried that and I tried it with HDR on and HDR off, the difference is huge and the colors on HDR videos with HDR off look so weird it's ridiculous.

But what I meant was a static video with a light like those streetlamps and the environment around the light darkening like in the gif.

>>720400618
Retard dont watch HDR videos in "off"

>>720397496
HDR is a fucking meme they concocted to sell with 4K because TV and monitor manufacturers were afraid just having a higher resolution wouldn't sell enough.

>>720400731
post your monitor and tv specs with your comment behind

>>720400609
Well that's dumb. An update randomly came out a few days ago and you can only compare it to the G85SB which got the same update but there's barely any discussion about it.
Meanwhile the older G8s are at completely different firmwares so you can't even compare it to those, and samsung doesn't release changelogs.

>>720397774
>>720398248
The USB Forum is made up of the very companies who make these devices. They realized they can sell old tech with a new name because they control the name.

Intel did this once with Thunderbolt (3), saw how terrible it was and TB4/5 now require you have EVERYTHING new to be certified. This is the right way to do it.

>>720400784
>with your comment behind
God marning sar

>>720400692
I said I turned HDR off in an HDR video just to see how big of a difference SDR and HDR are. I don't genuinely watch HDR videos in SDR.

By the way, RTX HDR seems to automatically detect if the video you're watching is in HDR or not. If it is in HDR then it doesn't kick in but if it isn't it kicks in, no idea how they made that work but you can easily tell by turning the RTX HDR indicator on, it should appear on the top right of your screen.

Why do some images or websites with a lot of white make my screen go a bit darker until I move away from the image or website and can you turn that off?

>>720375112
ok this is good

>>720401041
OLED? ABL Fullscreen dimming. OLED can only hit the peak brights when 2-10% of the screen is bright.

>>720400893
oh nooooo did I forget to add an "it" after "behind"?
>>720400972
turning off hdr on an hdr video will tonemap it but incorrectly so its going to look worse than sdr

>>720392634
That's why she should stay in the bedroom and pump out babies, not be involved with politics

>>720401175
I don't care if it hurts the panel so is there a way to disable ABL or reduce it in some hidden factory menu?
Or is it a genuine physical limitation of the panel, if it is what would happen if ABL is forcibly disabled and you look at white content that would usually kick ABL in?

>>720366525 (OP)
HDR doesn't work well unless the panel itself is good. get a halfway decent OLED TV and you will see how much better HDR is.

>>720401979
Depends on your display. LG TVs have a fuckton of options in the service menu which you can get the remote to access for like $10 on amazon. Others might not offer those options at all and some have it forced in hardware.

>>720402914
I've got a Samsung monitor and it looks like it has a fuckton of options too. I didn't get the remote however, I used some program called ColorControl that sent remote inputs to the monitor somehow.

Did any of you fuck around with this?

>>720403361
I just want my multi-thousand dollar pieces of gear to work the way they're supposed to out of the box, thank you. And thank you, Apple, for only allowing things that function.

>>720403438
I know it's probably bait but I actually tried my new G85SB on a friends' new Macbook and the display just worked.

-Things weren't tiny as shit, it automatically properly scaled things with the resolution as opposed to the windows display scale option that makes UI elements buggy as shit or not do anything at all in some cases
-HDR just worked, even toggled itself when it wasn't needed or supported by something
-No fucking around in the settings
-Max refresh rate, no 174,96 Hz windows 11 shit

Is it the same on Linux distros?

>>720403837
No it's not the same as linux distros.
And it wasn't bait, it's just the harsh truth that gamers and poorfags don't want to hear.

>>720404273
>And it wasn't bait, it's just the harsh truth that gamers and poorfags don't want to hear.
Well I experienced it first hand so fuck. But I can't just go and buy a Mac or whatever the Apple equivalent to a desktop PC is (but if you know tell me, I'm interested), and well I can but most things are on Windows and I have no idea how x64 to ARM translation is on Macs

>>720366525 (OP)
SDR oversaturated and HDR is washed out not because of the monitor, its because of the damn VOLUMETRIC FOG, EVERY GAME GAME NOW HAS FOG AND ENABLED TO FILL ALL THE SCREEN, ITS BASSICALLY A GRAY FILTER NOW, you need to mod that out.

>>720405642
>the year is 1999
>Games are very performance constrained
>these constraints inform decisions like using spooky fog in horror games to minimize draw distances while also contributing to the atmosphere

>The year is 2025. Computers are 900 quintillion times more powerful and can effectively do anything
>We use fog to cover up further things to minimize details drawn further away because we don't know how to do anything anymore
Every decision we made in this timeline is wrong.
If we went back 30 years, and literally just opposite-day'd every single collective and independent decision since then, everything would be so much better.

>>720366525 (OP)
I noticed this on the 'eck OLED
When Red Dead came out I tried HDR and everything just looked sorta washed out instead

>>720403837
Credit where it's due, what Mac does well, it does well. But I can't just put Mac OS on my computer because the metrosexual faggots at Apple want me to buy their own price-gouged hardware, which they've doubled down on with Apple silicon.
>Is it the same with Linux distros?
Linux is monumentally worse in this regard than Windows.

>>720406793
To be fair when Mac OS was still purely x86_64 there were ways to modify your UEFI BIOS so that it can recognize Apple formatted partitions and boot off of them, you could literally just put a Mac OS installation on a USB drive, restart your PC and boot it.

Of course there were some other modules you had to add to your BIOS, one regarding the serial number, without it you wouldn't be able to use certain features like iMessage. The common trick was to go on ebay, search for the Mac that was the most similar to your hardware and find someone who left their "About Mac" page on the monitor and just steal it.

All thanks to some chinks that made a motherboard which supported Mac OS out of the box.

>>720407183
Yeah I know about Hackintoshes but they're finicky and liable to break at Apple's whim, who will hang up on you if you're dumb enough to expect customer support from them, all of which is fundamentally anti-Mac. Basically, going the Hackintosh route just puts you back at square one, at least in my eyes.

How does it feel knowing you spend 3 grand on a pc and there's never any good exclusives?

I just noticed something interesting.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yPcYNk0QF7E
The video itself has HDR and youtube says so but the left side was recorded in SDR and the right side was recorded with the HDR mod.

If you turn HDR on your monitor off, the left "SDR" side doesn't change at all, while the right HDR side becomes darker. If you turn it back on the left side is still unchanged but the right side becomes more vivid and brighter.

Does that mean HDR is working properly on my monitor?

>>720407870
No no no, I know about hackintoshes and kexts and such, but this was a genuine step above. You didn't need kexts, all you needed was your UEFI BIOS with about 3 UEFI modules added to it to make your BIOS boot menu recognize apple file system disks, to be able to boot into them and to make Mac OS recognize your PC as a Mac.
It survived all updates since it was all in your BIOS.
I genuinely wouldn't call them hackintoshes at that point.

And it was even better if you got a cheap chink PCI-E card which had the same bluetooth and wifi chip as Macs as it would automatically recognize it and work without any editing.

Sadly people were stubborn and scared of editing their bios (or didn't have a gigabyte motherboard and Intel CPU) so they stuck to dumb custom bootloaders and kexts that broke every update and thus the Ozmosis scene slowly died.

https://www.rtings.com/monitor/reviews/msi/mpg-321urx-qd-oled

About to pull the trigger bros. $899 CAD.

I've been meaning to upgrade since I got my 5070TI anyways, this thread made me look.

Thoughts?

>>720409517
If I were canadian and I were you, I'd be saving my money.
... Well, saving another country's money, maybe not 'your' money.

>>720409639
I'm trying to have a lil escape before the demise of my country and World War Jeet kicks off. we can talk about it on /pol/ later.

I'm upgrading from a 34" LCD 2K ultrawide curved 144hz. I did not like the curve, the extra real estate wasn't bad for snapping apps and single monitor productivity. I'll mount that one above this one angled down just a touch

>>720409517
I am Canadian and I can say with certainty that now is not the time to drop 900 on vidya vanity (which isn't even that good).
Does your current monitor work fine?
>Yes
Then you don't need to "upgrade", you're good to go, don't worry about it.
>Yes, but it's kind of shit
>No
Don't spend more than $300, and wait for Black Friday or Boxing Week or something.
The monitor is one of the worst things to upgrade in terms of cost-benefit, down there with keyboards. Again, as long as yours is working and it's not a total POS with noticeable input latency - the kind you can feel - you're good.

>>720381328
Just buy the damn screen.

>>720366971
>durrr it should just work without calibration
Nigger what are you doing

All the cheap microled monitors I'm seeing are va panels. Until there's cheap microled ips I don't see the point.

>>720366658
>monitor
>ps5
what is this mastercuck doing ?

ITT anons without proper HDR displays who buy this bait

>>720412001
I have a proper 1000 nits oled.
It's a meme.

>>720412001
i have a tv from 2014 and it look like bottom

>>720411802
Just opt for miniLED? unless you're just really patient I suppose, which might be a wait. I thought microLED was all still too expensive.

>>720412094
Oled are 300nits 100% at best, that 1000 mode is for 1%-10%, Oleds are a prototype.

>>720376076
Uh huh.

>>720374968
kek

Man, I miss when 90% of monitor decision making was "Hmm, should I go for the 21" or 24" 1080p?"
And then you'd maybe just walk around the store demos and pick the one you thought looked best and that'd be good enough.

Now it's just a game of impossibly weighing a dozen variables and fighting choice paralysis.

>>720415418
You're sad the only option isnt terrible ips grays

>>720415498
It was a simpler time.

>>720415498
"Terrible" is a massive overexaggeration. Many such cases when it comes to monitors because that's the only way to market such minor incremental improvements for a price premium.
The only time I've seen a "massive" difference is comparing TN against VA, IPS, and CRT. The CRT was and remains the most drastic improvement - I wish it still worked.

>>720415992
improving contrast is the biggest thing anyone will notice in a monitor
then oleds enable super high hz if you play such games or enables frame gen
then oleds enable hdr in games

IPS loses out due to contrast, anyone can see the fucking glow.
TN is redundant since its only used for esports.
CRT is for schizos
VA is tolerable since the contrast is good enough that you dont have to actively think about the glow.

>>720416159
>Improving contrast is the biggest thing anyone will notice in a monitor
Agreed, but as with all things there's diminishing returns once contrast is "good enough" to look visually impressive, which is about where both of my monitors are - one IPS, one VA. There is not very much between them.
>oleds enable super high hz
Highest you'd ever conceivably need is 144 and that's easy without OLEDs.
>oleds enable hdr in games
HDR is a meme, always has been and will continue to be for the foreseeable future.
>IPS loses out due to contrast, anyone can see the fucking glow.
Only a problem if you both crank the brightness and never turn any lights on or open your blackout curtains. Stop being a vampire. Lower brightness is better for your eyes and usually looks better too.
>TN is redundant since its only used for esports.
Despite the noticeable picture quality difference I still think TN panels look fine 90% of the time, especially if you take a few minutes to adjust the colours and such. Some people's eyes get irritated by IPS and VA panels as well, while being unbothered by TN. They're old-fashioned but not redundant.
>CRT is for schizos
I think the word you're searching for is "gigachads"
>VA is tolerable since the contrast is good enough that you dont have to actively think about the glow.
Mine has some weird visual artifacting going on when showing moving scenes (in particular and of relevance, vidya gaems), I don't know if it's just mine but I found it distracting and ugly. Which is why I went with an IPS monitor when my CRT broke.

99.9% do not know how to set up HDR properly. There is no standard between games, formats, platforms, etc. Even games with adjustable sliders will sometimes outright lie about what the numbers really are, so even if you were educated you still don't have it set up properly.

And yes, this is a big problem with the tech. However, when it is set up properly it looks much better than SDR. The OP is a perfect example of a retard who did zero homework and automatically jumped to conclusions.

>>720417584
*99.9% of people

>>720417584
most of the issue is historically monitor makers lying about hdr capability on their monitors
Every edgelit ips apparently a hdr monitor
People enable hdr
>why does hdr look so bad on my hdr monitor?

its bizarre, like nintendo advertised switch 2 screen as "hdr"
Why are people like this?

>>720417730
Even shitty 400 nits HDR monitors can look decent if you set it up properly.

How many people actually downloaded the Windows HDR app and went through the instructions carefully to properly calibrate their screen? Probably less than 10% of users.

>>720417885
you cant show bright highlights on edgelit lcd
the entire screen gets bright

>>720417885
you people realize that fullscreen takes control of HDR settings from windows and gives it completely over to the game, right? The only impact windows has on this is if you're using W11 AutoHDR, which is actually better than 90% of games with an official HDR mode.

>>720418036
Wrong wrong wrong. It depends on the game.
Competent developers respect the calibration settings.

>>720408000
Properly implemented HDR-in-SDR should wash out the colors, not become darker. Either this had both sides recorded in 8-bit color depth or something went wrong in the conversion process

When you need to analyze after the fact whether a setting is good, or on, then it doesn't need to be there.

>>720412601
I meant miniled and just got home to look up some miniled ips and there are some. Please excuse my retardation.
Seems like miniled ips is the way to go for good colors and contrast without va smearing or ghosting or whatever.

>>720420718
Samsung seems to have reasonably solved the smearing on their high end VAs.

>>720416159
>VA is tolerable since the contrast is good enough that you dont have to actively think about the glow.
VA is fucking garbage for any dark games, unless you don't mind the monitor cheating it a brightness boost when it detects mostly greys & blacks onscreen.

>>720417584
Or you get games like RDR2 where the colour grading is so piss-poor on its HDR mode that you may as well just play it in SDR, or in PC's case, let Windows 11 auto-HDR it for a better result oddly enough.

>>720410562
Fuck you poor ass nigga

>>720421242
I dont know what ur talking about
my monitor looks fine in dark

>>720420764
Fair enough
>high end
I've just been looking for a cheaper upgrade from my current monitor msi g273qf I've had for a while now. Overall it's a good monitor and I'll keep using it if nothing better and not too expensive is found. The main issue with it is the contrast is abysmal and the colors are just okay.

>>720421330
Enjoy your overpriced dogshit, goyslop consoomer.

is µLED really the best of everything?

I bet this post was made by someone in a third world country.

isnt it strange that they can print micro oled on a piece of silicon but its just impossible to do it with materials that dont degrade over time

>>720379627
I have a laptop with a miniled screen. It looks this bad only when theres something white on the screen and the background is black, any other time like displaying a color image there is no bloom.

I usually play videogames on my OLED tho

>>720421546
Blacks usually get crushed and smear on the ones I've used and seen over the years, but I'm also used to 144/165hz TN panels which don't have this problem.

>>720421917
so it seems

>>720421752
there's $500 oleds if that's in your price range

>>720422443
Scared of burn-in

>>720417730
>like nintendo advertised switch 2 screen as "hdr"
Everyone says this. Everyone constantly says this. But no one ever says how or it could be just one guy, that’s surprisingly common Not even trying to be tendie defense force, just that it never gets explained, just asserted

>>720422730
have you been diagnozed with schizophrenia yet

>>720421993
It's because OLEDs suck ass and only exist because marketing needed a higher number.

>>720422874
Being in this shithole will do that to ya

>>720422140
I'm using this test: http://www.lagom.nl/lcd-test/black.php#blacktest.png
Ignoring my shitty camera, I can see all the squares (the first one didn't make it onto the camera) on my MiniLED VA, and seeing from the third on is "good" for an OLED.

>>720423338
its a real mystery

>>720423362
I guess the black crush is real since I cant distinguish the 1st square from the background on my va monitor.

on my 7y old va tv the "monitor" mode doesnt even display first row of blacks but on other modes theres different settings enabled that make them visible...