Thread 720397146

>Act 1 is really good
>the rest of the game is a boring, tedious slog
>people praise it as a masterpiece because they only played for a few hours
Why does this keep happening?

I am convinced none of the journalists who gave Elden Ring 10/10s played far enough to get to Mountaintops

So like literally every shareware game made in the 80s/90s?

>>720397216
Those didn't have 3 acts, they had 3 hours of gameplay at most

>>720397146 (OP)
Act 2 is better than 1
3 is meh but it has the best bosses

>>720397146 (OP)
What are some games like this but the opposite?

>>720397146 (OP)
the last judge runback broke me. they can shove that up their fucking ass

>>720397401
>same shitty copy pasted enemies over and over
>too many flying enemies
>barely any bosses
>tons of shitty dark areas
>citadel is size of like 5 zones
Fuck off idiot. Act 1 has way better pacing and zones.

>>720397146 (OP)
Act 2 is better than Act 1 though.

>>720397781
filtered

>>720397146 (OP)
People spent years convincing themselves it would be good, it's going to take a while before they realize it's outdated.
If Clair Obscur doesn't get Goty the industry reaches a new low.

>>720397216
E1 were the worst parts of Wolf3D and Doom.

>>720397146 (OP)
It's starting to feel like the game is overstaying it's welcome to be honest. I just got to the Lace 2 fight. I guess it's supposed to be awesome because it's a fight on white flowers like MGS3 and Bloodborne. It's just meh. Took a break. I mean another boss that I'll beat? What am I supposed to be feeling here? I don't know what it is about this game. It's definitely not an example of elegant game design. Tons of content but who really wants to do it?

>tedious
exactly how I'd describe most of the enemies past the first 4 zones. Oh I have to wait 10 seconds between openings because you fly away, I think I'll just stop playing thanks

>>720397781
There are more bosses in Act 2 than in Act 1
Also the Citadel was cool to explore and the transit pods make it pretty easy to get around

>>720397146 (OP)
The game sucks until you get the grappling hook

>>720398267
>I'm bad and struggling on a boss. This is bad game design - why would I want to win?

>>720397146 (OP)
It's a masterpiece. What now?

>>720398673
Ask me how I know you're a tranny virgin

>>720398673
How much did you play? I'm 10h in

>>720399075
NTA but I had 91% completion at 37 hours, which is when I called it good enough since i didnt feel like hunting down the last things needed

>>720399075
Around 45 hours if you subtract the time I was AFK.

>>720399182
That's fair, I very rarely 100% games
>>720399231
Nice

>mount fay is literally a featureless straight line
Okay, each new act 2 area i discover keeps getting worse and worse what the fuck

>>720399330
You're either retarded or think it's a dead end because you went there early, lmao.

>>720399330
There's a hidden mask shard there that you cant get until lategame, and an optional boss that I think is only in Act 3
Plus it gets you the best upgrade in the game

>>720399419
It's literally a shitty linear platforming challenge until you get faydow, moron. There's absolutely nothing interesting about the area.

>>720399558
I liked the platforming challenge - putting a bunch of enemies in a time constrained playforming bit would've been annoying
Could've used a pre-Act 3 boss though

>absolutely raped the entire soul/silk system because of the healing changes
>only to introduce the new broken bullshit that are the tools and architect crest
>made the charm system even worse by not only significantly cucking the available slots but also forcing the retarded blue/yellow split when there's barely 3 good yellow charms
>giganuked the charge attacks by denying silk generation and removing two of them
I really liked the first game but sequel somehow went ass backwards on basically everything i liked about 1.

>>720399558
Are you brain damaged? It's a platforming gauntlet that gets you double jump. You're depressed. You actively look for things to whine about. Seek help.

>>720400214
Many locations in 1 contained a "platforming challenge" without feeling like an empty hallway

That's literally every viral game ever. Elden Ring and Expedition 33 are exactly the same. Magical first hours and then insane drop in quality.

>>720397146 (OP)
instead of a milion useless fucking useless quests, all quest should lead you to upgrades so you dont fucking run in circles
the pacing in act 2 is a mess

>>720400120
Silksong is the MegaMan X to Hollow Knight's Classic MegaMan.
And I think that's fine, actually.

>>720397781
>citadel is size of like 5 zones
Is that seriously an issue? Multiple zones in one area is the exact reason I loved City of Tears.

>>720399182
>>720399231
took me 35 h, but i cheated and looked up all boss and upgrade location after rushing the main boss to get into act 3 with everything beaten

i legit expect its impossible to find everything by yourself, or it would take like 100 hours

>>720397146 (OP)
I'm close to act III I think but I'm getting real fucking tired after the 90th "haha this room had NOTHING in it other than 6 rosaries" or the 500th "haha random trap/oddly placed enemy as a surprise again!!11!!!!". Gayest fucking decision they made but other than that it's been nice

>>720398456
>There are more bosses in Act 2 than in Act 1
Only if you beeline to Last Judge and include all of the rest of Act 1, Act 2, and postgame as Act 2

>>720400120
Eh, I was like you at first, I hated how different everything felt buuuuut...After getting to Act 2, I realized there is actually a lot of broken things Hornet has access to that allows her to outshine the knight's gameplay at lower HP. Having multiple playstyles with crests also changes up how you can approach things. I think my actual issue with game is:
1. Act 1 limits you from getting anything good besides fractured mask. It feels hard because in Act 1, you get too little things. But in Act 2, you get too many things. It's bad game progression I guess.
2. Some of the crests are really good but others just plain suck and give you no reason to use them. Beast crest for example just feels like a worse hunter.

>>720397146 (OP)
Yeah, I just beat the dancers and Im supposed to look around for dobule jump and Im just bored already. I played for 12 hours, took my time, but Im dropping this shit now

>>720401256
No matter what hornet gets she's still going to be inferior to knight. Wanderer is a nerfed knight moveset and it's one of the best movesets available to her. Hornet's spells are dog shit, hornet's nail arts are dog shit, only her tools are strong but still nowhere nearly as powerful or fun to use as knight's magic and have an extra layer of fuck you that are the shard bundles.

>>720400634
It has zero variety and even the zones around it feel very similar. So yeah

>>720401479
it has a lot of variety but the way its designed you will run through the same parts every time

>>720401459
>Wanderer is a nerfed knight moveset and it's one of the best movesets available to her
Anon, how far are you? Have you even tried Architect yet?

>>720398528
You want an upvote? Here's your (You)

>>720401459
>Wanderer is a nerfed knight moveset and it's one of the best movesets available to her.
its shit at pogo, which might not seem as a problem untill later regions where jumps are insanely tight
though it does wreck few bosses

i kept switching all 3 starting crests, the last 3 you get too later, and i avoid tools since i hate shard farming

>>720402226
Architect is overrated, the down pogo is somehow worse than the base one, the three tools thing is overkill.

>>720402427
Wanderer was the best pogo because you just do it like you did in hollow knight. I don’t understand this argument. Just use lingnail (huntress quest)

>>720402739
it has short range and short air time, repear or whats its name and starting one have better air time
i can imagine how much of a cancer the lava escape would be with wanderer

>Pogo, pogo, pogo
I kind of see the problem here. You all are looking at Hornet's other crests down B the wrong way. Consider for a moment that, even though it's diagonal, Hornet's down B can be used for getting away from a boss too?

>>720403257
>repear or whats its name and starting one have better air time
This. Pogoing off of spikes is what makes Reaper so much fun.

>>720397146 (OP)
I haven't played it but my main concern is the overusage of animation without individual frames drawn out or visual effects that clash with the artstyle. Like the hair on the Radiance equivalent or the fire effects.

The flame father or whatever the fuck he is called is gaysexual and NOT fun to fight.
I said what I said.

>people praise it as a masterpiece because they only played for a few hours
this is like every game
even review outlets, the ones that should be finishing games to give a proper opinion about them, dont finish games

>>720397146 (OP)
Act 1 is literally the tutorial. OP definitely got filtered in Act 2 and started this thread to cope.

I'm close to getting filtered by a bug. Every time I get to one of those rooms where the exit gets closed and you have to fight waves of enemy's, there's like a 50% chance the exits fail to open after killing the enemy's and I have to quit and restart. had this bug happen four times in a row once.

>>720404045
airdrift control.
Into it. That boss is piss easy. First tried it.
Save your tools for after you break it's arms and just nuke it's health to death

>>720404045
it would be fine if those fucking fireballs didnt track you and instead just hit where they last aimed
anyway space laser wrecks it

>>720404136
Act 1 is like 40% of the game

>Act 1 is really good
I dunno man. It seems like a slog. Everything does 2 damage and the runback is designed to kick you in the balls. Its not fun. HK was fun. This is not fun.

>>720397146 (OP)
But enough about Dark Soul I

>>720404817
>Act 1 is like 40% of the game
More like 20%.

>>720400120
>barely 3 good yellow charms
The piton, the dice, the rosary magnet. That's what I used the whole game. Now that I've bought everything the magnet became useless and I have a hard time deciding what to exchange it with.. maybe bonus shards..

>>720404887
No the fuck it isn't, maybe if you rush the fuck and beeline to Last Judge and clean up everything in Act 2.

I'm talking about all areas accessible in Act 1

Funny, Act 1 felt tedious and boring for the most part. Now that I hit Act 2, it feels like I can finally go toe-to-toe with most bosses (who are more interesting overall, Clockwork Dancers was fucking sick), I can actually get some of the more critical mobility skills, rosaries have become way more abundant, the environments are more colorful/intricate in how you navigate them, the story got more fleshed out instead of vague lore, and I genuinely feel like I'm coming across some new big secret every few minutes.

Act 1 I was just kinda peddling along, enjoying bits and pieces here, but otherwise kinda waiting for things to pick up. Once you get out of the Underworks, the game explodes with interesting shit to do and stuff you can now go back to. Maybe Act 3 shits the bed or something, but so far Act 2 feels like what I was actually looking for. Not sure why they gated so much behind the Last Judge, but I'm having fun now at least.

>>720405151
>I'm talking about all areas accessible in Act 1
Acts aren't defined by the areas, they are defined by the content in the actual acts themselves. There's tons of stuff in Act 2 and Act 3 that takes places in the "act 1 areas".

>>720405229
I'm taking about doing 100% you can before Last Judge. Game should end after Last Judge. Most content after that is filler garbage

>>720397781
>citadel is size of 5 zones
and it's not the only zone you can't access until act 2 moron
did you even play the game? there are fucking 10 zones in act 2

>>720405352
>Game should end after Last Judge. Most content after that is filler garbage
I have literally never seen anyone with this opinion. Everything I have seen from anyone, anywhere, seems to be people being happy that they finally got to Act 2 because that's when it feels like the real game begins.

>>720405151
>I'm talking about all areas accessible in Act 1
That's the fucking thing. The rest of the areas in Act 1 don't really open up UNTIL you start act 2. Honorable mention goes to the areas gated by the grappling hook. Yes especially Mount Fay, that awful fuck of a zone...

>>720397146 (OP)
You are retarded.

>>720405460
No shit... I'm not including garbage like Shitwater and Mt Gay as Act 1 clearly...

>>720402427
>>720403923
Wanderer pogo with the reach charm is much better than the slow-ass reaper pogo. I had no issue doing platforming or the lava escape and it's much more agile in bossfights.

Where are the bosses?

Act 1 honestly feels like the dlc that could have been in the original Hollowknight. Act II is where it feels devs started making it an actual game. Act I probably feels retarded because it was definitely made to be dlc originally. When the devs decided to make it an actual game, they couldn't simply trash the old stuff and repurposed it.

>>720405631
Lava escape? People actually struggled with that or is there another lava escape?

All spells are giga garbage, jesus

>>720397146 (OP)
So just like Hollow Knight?

>>720404136
>Act 1 is literally the tutorial.
kek

>>720405670
Various spots

>>720404045
I actually had fun with it.

>>720405730
Parry is kino though.
Also all of them are good except for Last Sinner's

>>720405696
>or is there another lava escape?
There's like a handful of them.

>>720405817
Nah, they are all shit. Parry is just the least shit. But spending half the spool to deal 3 hits worth of damage is fucking terrible.
And then we have poison tools wiping the floor with everything

The merchant in bone bottom disappeared around the time I hit Greymor and never returned.
I dunno what I did.

I've hit the first fight that has made me actually give up. Fought it for an hour and I can't do it. It's the gauntlet of void infected deep docks enemies just before the (trivially easy) boss fight against Signis and Gron. It's the most insane difficulty spike I've ever seen in a video game. They're massively tanky, the room is tiny and has void attacks and the bombs from the flying enemies constant exploding everywhere, and you can't even heal if you get tagged because they drain your silk. Nothing else has taken me more than a few tries, and I've always felt like I was getting closer, but I can't even consistently reach the second wave here.

>>720397146 (OP)
Plesee help me out anons - Anything i can miss\lock myself out before starting act 3?

I reached the cradle a few days ago but have been tying up a few side quests before challenging the boss and ended up finishing Mount Fay and The Slab and finding the Ducts. Should I go ahead and clear everything I can before act 3 or am I setting myself up for a lot of backtracking by going to the extra zones early?

>>720405989
Is there a reason to even go there in Act 3? I did the boss and unlocked all the shortcuts in Act 2.

>>720405981
The world regularly changes depending on what stage of the game you are in. Some merchants migrate but they are always somewhere in the world, they never actually fully disappear.

>>720405925
its great vs those double fucks in arena, where you cant dodge shit
just bait a hit and parry, you can get few hits in and get another parry

but yeah, other than that its pretty costly for what it does
it becomes amazing in act 3

>>720397146 (OP)
Act 3 is exactly Dragon's Dogma. Nobody remembers this, but when you open the Everfall, the entire world gets fucked up and filled with suped-up monster variants. And it sucks, nobody bothers with that, they just go to the new area. Act 3 is that but it forces you to go re-explore the world and it's just not that great.

>>720405124
I usually go with the Anklets just for the speed.

>unlock Laquer delivery
>have to go from Bellhart to Mount Fay without taking 3 damage
Man fuck these delivery quests, I thought the Rasher was bad but this seems like a nightmare

>>720405989
Fuck me, you can do it in act 2 and they're not voided. This is the most insane fuck you I've ever seen from a game developer. I am never getting the fucking flea behind them.

>>720406216
It's way better. The rasher, you can only take at max one hit because the time limit chews through the rest. This you get 3 and double-jumping through Mount Fay makes it a bitch.

>>720406014
>Anything i can miss\lock myself out before starting act 3?
Just achievements and the "cursed ending" cutscene from doing the act 2 boss while infected.

>>720406301
I take the Exhaust Organ route and bumped into shit 3 times. Untrue

>>720406136
I've not been able to have him return or find them
Some guides say he dips after you buy all the stock.

>>720405191
Act 2 was also the high point for me. 1 felt like I was just waiting for the game to actually give me the other 80% of the game and 3 is basically just 2, but the enemies randomly become spongy as fuck and lazily reuse the same move set pasted onto all of them.

>>720406527
>Some guides say he dips after you buy all the stock.
Oh I thought you meant that you missed out on something that the merchant had. Maybe some do disappear after you have bought everything.

>>720406301
Rasher time limit isn’t so bad if you clear out all the enemies on the way or even just the ones in the Citadel, just know that you didn’t really beat the game if you did it that way.

>>720406309
Thanks!

you might not believe this, but i would have sex with hornet

>>720397146 (OP)
meds