Thread 720456989

>IN THE FUTURE EVERYTHING IS ELECTRIC
>except for cars

Combustion engines sound good.

>>720456989 (OP)
damn people in the future have taste

EVs are a retarded concept and the fad will die off in 10 years when people realise these lithium bombs are not maintainable long term
Also C77 is retrofuturism, its meant to be what 80s thought the future would be like with rule of cool

>>720456989 (OP)
Cyberpunk still has natural sources of oil and a lot of the powerful corps like Biotechnica made a ton of money by creating oil substitutes that absolutely decimated the environment.

>>720457714
Americans don't care. They'll keep financing a new car every five years until they die.

>>720456989 (OP)
That's right, cars run off alcohol (CHOOH2).

>>720456989 (OP)
>no EVs and no cute girls in the future
>fastest car tops at 330kmph
>only mutts and troons
Yet the dark future envisioned in Starfield is somehow even worse.
Cyberpunk was the worst kurwas could imagine while Starfield is the most optimistic future amerimutts could imagine.

>>720457714
>EVs are a retarded concept
Nah they're the future for countries that actually have a future (upgraded power grid).

>fad will die off in 10 years
It's bigger than ever and it keeps expanding.

>these lithium bombs
EVs are less likely to combust than ICE cars or hybrids. Lithium isn't even the only option. Sodium and Solid State are in the work.

>>720457318
Seeing the rest of this game's aesthetics? No. No they do not.

i lost all interests in this game when i found out that they ditched flying cars for normal wheeled ones. basically the concept went from blade runner to gta with neon lights.

>>720456989 (OP)
...because one of the biggest megacorps is a petrochemical company. The whole point of the setting is a corporatist dystopia.

>>720459063
>2 different guys made 2 completely different flying cars mods on their own even without modding tools

https://www.nexusmods.com/cyberpunk2077/mods/5208
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GqD6oGLt2go

https://www.nexusmods.com/cyberpunk2077/mods/13842
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fAp-_6kV184

CDPR is just incompetent.

>>720458848
The Liberal government in Canada had to back off forcing EV sales because the vehicles are rapidly losing popularity. The grid wouldn't support everyone owning one, and they are functionally garbage in cold weather because the range gets halved due to the batteries being unable to hold a charge as well at lower temperatures.

Places that wouldn't have the battery issue like California still couldn't handle the increased demand on the electric grid.

Environmental nuts that want EVs aren't willing to let Nuclear plants be built that could actually support the cars, either, so it's all a wash.

Furthermore they're not affordable, on average costing $10k more than an equivalent gas powered vehicle.

>>720459752
>The Liberal government in Canada had to back off forcing EV sales
It's because burger companies failed to make EVs and Chinese ones are sanctioned.

>Cold weather
Outdated info.

>The grid
Upgrade it instead of importing Indians.

Like I said, only countries with a future will drive EVs. The rest will go back to donkey carts and camels.

>>720460539
Nah, the Canadian government dumped billions into subsidizing companies to build EV's in Canada and they all bailed because it's garbage business. The fact that China is pumping out EVs that nobody is buying only makes the market even less attractive.

Forgot to mention the used market for EVs is a joke, too. The batteries have a 10 year life span, only an idiot buys a car that's lost 50% of it's range and requires a 10k investment for a new battery to fix it.

Hydrogen Cell vehicles might be cool but I don't think EV's are it.

>>720457714
Retarded boomer take.

>>720456989 (OP)
YOU AINT GOT THE STATE OF THE ART BIODIESEL THEY'VE BEEN ROLLING OUT?

>>720456989 (OP)
>the fictional dystopia less less depraved than current-day real world

>>720456989 (OP)
It's a dystopian setting where corpos have all the power and control the laws.

>>720461748
there's nothing dystopian about cyberpunk, stuff like high crime rates are there for gameplay reasons and not because of the world building

>>720456989 (OP)
cars run on ethanol you retard

>>720461182
They all bailed because leafjeets can't assemble bicycles let alone EVs lol.

>calls lithium bombs
>thinks hydrogen "might be cool"
Oh it's a propagated retard that doesn't know what he's talking about. Cool. Toyoda brainrapes and bamboozles another.

This is why you'll be riding donkeys.

>>720461748
Less homelessness than real life California too. Also more walkable than any US city.

>>720462412
I'm not the anon that called Lithium anything, why are you so desperate for EVs to not be basedmobiles anon?

The CEO of Rivian said this last week while laying off 10% of his workforce

>The move to electrification is happening whether anyone likes it or not. The timeline is sort of in the air right now because of things like tariffs, consumer acceptance and infrastructure build outs. There are a lot of questions. Trying to mitigate through all of this is quite challenging.

Imagine actually having the balls to admit customers don't want your product but doubling down into "FUCK customers, they'll HAVE to buy our product"

>>720462772
>they'll HAVE to buy our product
He's right. Gas engines will be illegal across the EU, blue states and urban areas in the 2030s according to laws already written. Any business that can survive until then wins.

>>720462772
Not his fault he's stuck in a shithole, surrounded by Luddites huffing on exon slop propaganda. Rivian cars are better than Teslas.

>>720463003
2035

>>720463017
>Rivian cars are better than Teslas.
lol ok if your metric for better is rapidly depreciating into the ground due to sheer lack of features and quality control

>>720457714
No, the reveal trailer was retrofuturistic, the game itself is just futureslop

even commoners get to have cool cars in the Cyberpunk world
we truly live in the most boring dystopia possible

>>720456989 (OP)
To be fair, Cyberpunk switched petro for future biofuel due to a bunch of middle eastern wars fucking the oil supply.

>>720461748
Oddly, if you included the depravity of Current Year you wouldn't be allowed to release the game. People deep down know this shit is digusting. It's the same thing when parents start reading from the books their kids get assigned to read in front of school board meetings, and then get told to stop reading because it's inappropriate and offensive. Having a game where the player does a courier mission of foreskins for the local orphanage/gender care clinic wouldn't make it past the censors, who believe that it's too gratuitous and also that it's a good thing.

>get rid of gas cars, force everyone to use EVs
>get rid of gas heating, force everyone to use electric heat
>get rid of gas stoves, force everyone to use electric stoves

>okay, you've vastly increased your country's demand for electricity. You're gonna build more power plants now, right?
>NO. In fact, we're shutting existing power plants down!

What exactly was the plan here
How was this such a great idea that all the smartest people in Britain, Germany, Canada etc. just dove into it immediately

>>720459728
Creating a flying car in game isn't hard, retard. You could enable flying cheats in San Andreas. They just don't want them in the game.

People like the sound of combustion engines. Thats why a lot of absolute faggots buy loud exhausts.

>>720456989 (OP)

Whatever happened to Hydrogen cars anyway?

>>720456989 (OP)
in a cyberpunk future, running cars off 100% ethanol (most likely from cloned corn) would be significantly cheaper for corporations than electric. the only reason we don't do it now is because of Green initiatives (shit causes way more smog than gasoline) and oil is still just easier to obtain.

>>720456989 (OP)
>Bugatti Chiron but slower in 2077
fucking hell i was expecting cars to go over 500 km/h (325 miles per hour) in the future

>>720463850
They exist but the infrastructure is far less viable currently. I prefer hydrogen as an alternative to oil but it's just not there yet economically. I would say electric isn't either but the EV industry is massively and I mean MASSIVELY subsidised by Western governments. I'm including Tesla in that category as well.

>>720462772
EVs in their current form are like CFL light bulbs. There will be a replacement for ICE vehicles at some point, but it won't be the current tech people are using. You either need a breakthrough new battery technology or some alternative fuel source like hydrogen or some sort of biofuel. I think audi was working on some tech, but god knows what the timeline is for mass market production.
I really love the Rivian design language and I think they do make good vehicles, but nobody can fucking afford them. Im sure if chinese EVs were sold for 25k, people would buy them, but the only reason why they would be sold for so cheap is for China to completely decimate and then control the western auto market. They will (and already are) subsidizing these companies.

>>720463850
input/output issue.
it takes more energy input to create hydrogen then you get in your energy output of hydrogen making it not worth it.

>>720463654
>Creating a flying car in game isn't hard
Evidently it is since even the normal car physics in Trannypunk are some of the worst car physics in vidya history.

>They just don't want them in the game
Kurwa cope. It's simply beyond their IQ.

>implyig the elites will let you own cars in the future
Lol

I finally started playing this game and after playing for so long and doing this stealth ass mission in the tower now I'm Keanu Reaves and there's a long ass cutscenes section?

How long until I can play the game again and use the cool revolvers I found?

>>720464802
You're extremely unintelligent. Flying is just making cars moveable on the Y axis.

>>720463850
They were always ALWAYS a fucking scam. The only reason retards here like them is because the negative coverage for hydrogen is unnecessary since they were never a threat to begin with. And car apes only follow the herd.

>>720464267
>They exist
They fucking don't. People are suing Toyota for daring to sell them the Mirai.

>it's just not there yet economically
>yet
It's NEVER gonna be "there".

>EV industry is massively and I mean MASSIVELY subsidised by Western governments
Pull the plugs on VW and Ford subsidies and fight like a man then. Exxon golem.

>>720456989 (OP)
>characterized as wicked faggy by corpo media and gang culture
>doesn't go "VROOM, VROOM"
Literally zero appeal in a violent, lowbrow shithole full of shallow, nihilistic cyborgs.

>>720464392
Everything is like that, though. Conservation of energy + entropy makes it so. Thermodynamics and such.

>>720465251
You're a fucking retard.

>>720456989 (OP)
Fossil fuel industry monopoly is pretty distopic yeah

>>720465370
yes but if you lose so much to entropy the point where its unsustainable then there's no point in doing it yet. when converting crude into gas, it doesn't cost more energy than your output.

>>720464279
>need a breakthrough new battery technology

Enthusiast here. Solid-state batteries are supposed to be the miracle cure. Compared to lithium ion batteries, solid-state
>can store twice as much energy in the same weight
>can charge almost instantly
>CAN'T randomly catch on fire
It'd solve so many problems at once. The weight difference would make electric planes viable. The cynic in me says they won't make phones and laptops that last twice as long and instead will make ones that are half as thin.

The problem is that solid-state batteries have been five years in the future, for like twenty years now. I'm looking at an old press release from Toyota flexing that they'd have their solid-state EVs on the market by 2022.

The chinks have something called "semi-solid-state" that's gotta be an outright scam, just lithium ion with a Blast Processing Power of Cell sticker slapped on it.
As far as shit I view more credibly, Mercedes is flexing this week that they just drove a prototype solid-state EV 750 miles, at highway speed, on one charge. I believe the press about it and I also notice what they're not saying - I worry that they achieved this feat with a $2 million battery pack and it was ruined by the end of the journey.

Solid-state batteries do exist in one place, right now, in the real world. Pacemakers. It turns out nobody really cares that the button-sized battery costs $2,000 when it's a component of a $50,000 device being implanted in a $300,000 surgery. I get it.

>>720463850
Nonexistant infrastructure. I remember talking to someone who had a Toyota Mirai at one point. Apparently there was only one spot in town where you could fill up, and there were constantly hours-long lines. On top of that, the entire station would be out of service for days at a time. Also its apparently really fucking expensive to fill up compared to gas or electricity

>>720463850
It's a super labile molecule that can diffuse through metal, so you need extra special materials for the fuel lines. It has to be stored in a sponge-like matrix built from super materials that don't exist yet, else you drive around with a pressure bomb underneath your car. It can only be produced from super pure water which is
quickly becoming more rare than oil. BMW had a 40 year plan for hydrogen in the 90's and it's dead. Also, >>720464279 Audi doesn't have their own design division. It's all VW corporate now, and has been for years. If you're expecting huge technical breakthroughs from VW, you're going to be disappointed.

>>720465632
to add. while its not like example exactly it should be pretty simple to understand

lets say you have 100 crude units and it cost 20 energy to create 80 units. you have a decently high output. (80/100) (started with 100 now down to 80)

now lets say for creating hydrogen you have 100 units and it cost 60 energy to create hydrogen fuel units. you have now lost more from input to output. (40/100). (started with 100 now down to 40)


tldr. it cost more energy to make gas over hydrogen

>>720456989 (OP)
In the setting they invented a revolutionary eco fuel that has zero emissions called CHOOH2. The air in CP is pretty clean but the chemical pollution of the soil hasn't been reversed yet.

>>720456989 (OP)
This is one of the reasons why Cyberpunk 2077 is based. No fucks given. It's funny actually how in the game people living in China are only allowed to own self-driving EVs.

>>720464279
>They will (and already are) subsidizing these companies
Almost as much the krauts with VW.

>>720457720
There is no oil in CP. It has been replaced in the 2000s by a future fuel. You literally have ads for it on every gas station.

>>720466370
>It's funny actually how in the game people living in China are only allowed to own self-driving EVs.
I loved that random news story you could find about China passing a new law extending mandatory tracking devices to bicycles

Something the game got right is that everywhere sucks, I also appreciated Takemura telling the story about the orphan slums of Japan. A few rulebook authors get a little too cozy with "Yeah America went full Mad Max and the rest of the world just laughs at them"

>>720466363
>eco fuel that has zero emissions called CHOOH2. The air in CP is pretty clean
Ahh yes. Magical eco friendly utopian solutions for what's supposed to be a dark dystopian cyberpunk future lol. And the cars are still slow.

Love it.

>>720466360
hydrogen over gas*

>>720466727
It has it's own dark side to it. The monoculture that is used to produce it destroyed the soil of many third world countries creating global hunger. Only beneficiaries of it are Biotechnica and your lungs(enjoy the synth meat)

>>720466716
>A few rulebook authors get a little too cozy with "Yeah America went full Mad Max and the rest of the world just laughs at them"
Pondsmith agrees with that though. That's his idea. Well, not the entire world - just Europe.

Progressive utopian Europe laughs at mutts.

>>720467031
When did Pondsmith change his name to "Mark Galeotti"

>>720467154
He regurgitated what I said in multiple interviews. How the optimistic place that looks towards the future is Europe, while amerishitland chuck nukes every time Bezos disagrees with Musk. Japan, Soviets and China are also shitholes. Korea too, with the entire capital getting Terminator'd.

But Euros gloat, fuck and sip martinis in their British AVs.

>>720467031
>>720466716
>>720467518
2077's news ticker says that Germany has the lowest unemployment rate in the world
Their shockingly low unemployment rate is 58%

Also Antarctica (a well populated nation in its own right now that the ice is gone) is the SAFEST place on earth, with a low, low murder rate of 70 per 100,000 (see chart for real world reference)

>>720456989 (OP)
Because synthetic fuel actually is the future, especially now that even normies are waking up to the fact that manufacturing an electric car is more polluting than driving a gasonline car for 10 years, not to mention that electric cars corrode roads more and wear out tires and brakes twice as fast due to the increased weight.

>>720468034
>Because synthetic fuel actually is the future
No they aren't.

>especially now that even normies are waking up to the fact that manufacturing an electric car is more polluting than driving a gasonline car for 10 years
Nah, fake and gay oiljew headlines.

>>720465274
Yes they do
Toyota Mirai and Hyundai Nexo.
>It's NEVER gonna be there.
Oh aren't you the optimist.
>Pull the plugs on VW and Ford subsidies and fight like a man then. Exxon golem.
I agree that Oil should be self funded but that's a double edged sword because of the amount of tax revenue it also generates so for example in the UK we tax 3/4 the price of a single litre of fuel through fuel duty and V.A.T. and the remaining is the actual cost.
There is no reciprocal system of tax benefit to subsiding EV and tax in return.

>>720468425
>Toyota Mirai
Shut up. Never speak of this ever again. A Mirai owner would push his thumbs into your eyes and rape you to death if you were to utter this car is anything other than niggershit.

They do not exist.

>>720468034
do EVs have some magical tires that work diferently than every other tire?

>>720468652
EVs always magically weigh half a ton or more than equivalent ICE vehicles

>>720468652
The fact that they weight 500-1000 kg more than their gasonline/diesel versions.

>>720468820
>>720468841
man the Exxonshill script was here in a hurry

>>720468930
I'm not defending using oil, I'm just annoyed that people have been brainwashed to believe that EV's are somehow good for the environment when in fact they are worse

>>720468564
>"La La La La La not listening"
Tell me you're a teenager without telling me.

>>720458848
>Nah they're the future for countries that actually have a future (upgraded power grid)
What, literally just china? Power grid in EU is falling apart and I'm pretty sure it's not doing much better in USA. Although at least USA has enough power to run AI data centers.

>>720468425
>Toyota Mirai
They're making Mirai sexbots? SOLD.

>>720469692
Just google it and I won't clown on you for shilling a fucking Mirai to people, even if you sorely deserve it. You are grossly ignorant of just how jewish this jewpanese scam is. It's actually, honest to God, without hyperbole: Criminal.

because cars are powered by this super biodiesel called CHOOH2 which is probably what's powering most electricity anyways so there's no need to plug it into a wall

>>720470520
Depends on where you live. My state has 6 nuclear reactors and a couple of coal plants.

>>720470396
You said they don't exist. I said they do
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gL4-CZwkPEs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLZ1jw_dr1A

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fdmq2h0RtVc

>>720471580
You're low IQ.

Love my electric
Simple as

>>720470520
Night city has a nuclear reactor in the middle of it. There is even a story in the radio about it leaking and mutating the Valentinos or something.

>>720457173
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cEZsGUqgtHQ

>>720471728
>They don't exist, please don't show proof that they exist, nooo how dare you show proof that Hydrogen fuel cell cars exist I can't believe you've done this.

>>720463003
>tobe pushed backed indefinitely

>>720469679
In a twisted way they are. You are moving combustion and pollution away from city centers where it matters most.

>>720469679
i want to swim in the piss lake

>>720469679
>they are worse
no they aren't

>>720474990
how the fuck do you think the teslas get to the dealerships retards? huge container ships and trucks which go to ports, which generally are in large city centers.

>>720456989 (OP)
>>720458848
>>720461194
I will never buy EV
I will never suck a dick
I will never accept trannies

EVs areehackable bombs on wheels that can't be put out by common firefighting means. NC is smart to not allow them.

>>720456989 (OP)
Think this, but cyberpunk themed: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0wjyaF8ut_E

>>720475969
Trannies will never be women.

ICEtrannies will never be faster than EVs.

>>720457714
>rule of cool
Only appeals to teenagers and subhumans who have the mind of a teenager well into their 30s and 40s. Sci-Fi/Futurism where there was actual thought put into the world and tech design, like Deus Ex Mankind Divided, are superior settings that filter morons like (You).

>>720476284
kek

EVs for small commutes in urban areas, ICE for distance and fun cars.
Shrimple as.

>>720456989 (OP)
>>except for cars
>All agenda 2030 shit about banning cars is being slowly scrapped from the EUs policies
>Trump reverted EV mandate
>EVs basically unaffordable in like 95% of the world where the best they can afford is a 125cc scooter or 30 year old car models
That's more or less what probably led to that.

Why do you retarded chud trannies turn everything political? It's a fucking car.
They cost pennies to fill up, operate nice n queitly and you get substantial subsidies on them. Unless the landscape shifts dramatically I do not see myself buying a regular car as it'd be a downgrade.
>hurr durr if you buy electric you are supporting trannies somehow
You are just as annoying as trannies themselves when they were yelling how buying a harry potter game is participating in literal trans genocide ditto for games with attractive women. Two sides of the same gay and retarded coin.

>>720457714
just two more weeks bro

>>720477084
what's amusing is that during the game's development, it looked like EVs would actually be the future due to laws and technology advancements. CDPR accidentally predicted the future.

>>720457714
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N5A9nRsckf0

>>720477803
EVs are still the future though?

>CDPR accidentally predicted the future.
CDPR skullfucked the setting because the year 2077 has the exact same tech, celebrities, corporations, bad guys and aesthetics as Cyberpunk 2020.

It would be akin to people today wearing the same fashion of 60s and listening to Elvis Presley.

>>720462412
Of all the dumb EV shill posts I have ever read this may somehow be the most stupid.

How do we cope sisters... the Chinamans... The Chinerinos are coming and they won't let us Plaza Accord them bros... f-fuck... w-what do we do now?? Gasbros... I'm scared...

>>720478909
>look this guy up
>he's spent his entire life as a car journalist
>he hates capitalism
Where the fuck did he think cars came from

>>720479115
>least dense 4chins carguy

>>720478270
>EVs are still the future though?
They're not, at least not until you can do 1000 kilometers at 130km/h at -5ºC without recharging, because as far as I'm concerned, that's a common feature of an old diesel sedan.
The future right now and most probably in the nearest future are hybrid cars, since they offer the best middle ground between the two technologies and people can actually afford them, plus a battery replacement on a 2kW hybrid is like 2k for the battery, not 50k.

>>720479245
>They're not
Yes they are.

>1000 kilometers at 130km/h at -5ºC without recharging
Unnecessary for 90% of the population. Also they're getting there. Pic related can do it, albeit it's a hybrid.

>right now and most probably in the nearest future are hybrid cars
They're a stepping stone at worst and cross country alternative at best.

>>720457173
Hydrogen
Cell

>>720456989 (OP)
synthetic fuel makes much more sense

>>720456989 (OP)
Why would they? Cars can literally run with Alchohol in Cyberpunk. .

>>720458848
It will die off mainly because they are not sustainable long term. Average lifespan of modern car is roughly 4-5 years, same for electric car's battery, and electric cars build quality is usually trash, too, replacing components costs as much as car itself.
The grid argument is bullshit because there won't be enough power for it since nuclear energy is still taboo in many places. It's delusional to expect everything go fully electric in current day with all anti nuclear sentiment while gas and coal is still used for power.
>>720459752
>Places that wouldn't have the battery issue like California still couldn't handle the increased demand on the electric grid.
They would. EVs would suck in hot climate place because batteries can't handle heat, too. They'd get drained just as fast as in cold weather, not to mention, that EVs can't handle moisture well, too. If it's tropical climate place or place where it rains a lot, expect your electric trash to hiccup a lot.

>>720466512
>future
You mean alcohol? CHOO2 is literally grain alcohol with additives

>>720456989 (OP)
Just like in real life.

>>720456989 (OP)
People aren't going to give up internal combustion, as much as retard citybound libs screech about it.
The personal car is a symbol of freedom, its a hobby, a lifestyle.
Even if you do something stupid like a gas powered car buyback there will be dudes sitting a block away offering more cash for it just so they can stockpile parts.

The gas powered car isn't going away. Moreover, its environmental impact is less than pretty much any high pollution industry. So getting rid of it achieves nothing.

>>720463003
>Gas engines will be illegal across the EU
That's what they want to believe. In reality nobody wants EVs because they are unaffordable and unattractive in every possible way, and if war in Europe breaks out (which likely will happen after all bullshit with Ukraine), people will only stick to ICE cars.

I only recently played this game and it's ass. It's linear and held up by shit writing. Someone should study the PR push that came with this games release, there's no way less than 80% of the posts about it aren't bot generated

>>720468820
My EV truck weighs 3 tons empty and it's awesome. Fuck the haters, it's just a poorfag cope.

>>720458848
>Nah they're the future for countries that actually have a future (upgraded power grid).
Even with a power grid that can handle the loads, they just end up causing undesirable power loads that need to be balanced out by non-renewables. It doesn't fix the underlying issue of cars being inherently inefficient as mass transit and therefor really shit for commuting and long-distance hauling. Cars inherently perform dramatically better when fewer people are driving and parking.
>It's bigger than ever and it keeps expanding.
Combustion engine cars also kept expanding due to the same kinds of government overreach and subsidies that are enabling EVs, that doesn't mean it is sustainable, it just means that palms are being greased.
>>720461748
Remember that it's not a dystopia if you're living in one.
>>720465251
>Pathfinding and control schemes don't exist
>>720474990
Everything is being moved out of large city centers.
>>720476738
Ride a bike.

>>720458848
Find out the carbon footprint of mining, refining and building a lithium battery and tell me EVs are green

>>720459752
>The Liberal government in Canada had to back off forcing EV sales because the vehicles are rapidly losing popularity.
No, there's currently a trade war with an unnamed ally that was a key manufacturing infrastructure component. That's why the sales targets were _paused_ temporarily

>>720480793
EV adoption is doing just fine in various climates though. Norway, Switzerland, Thailand, Brazil etc. Even Ethiopia.
I feel like battery tech is progressing faster than you accumulating bookmarks for FUD articles written by oil shills masquerading as journos.

>>720481856
Cry more, techbro. EVs are gay as fuck and lame.

>>720464051
The CP2077 map is WAY too small and tight for a 325 mph car, and the street races have rubberbanding.

>>720457714
we won't be using lithium in 10 years.

>>720481491
I did. You do it instead of listening to Joe Rogan. What's next? "Windmills" are slaughtering whales and birds because Trump said so?

>>720481763
That and no one is buying them
Canada has an even more spread out population than the US.
You can't even make it between my city and the next closest big city on one charge. A gas car can make it, but even if it couldn't you stop for 5 minutes to fill up. In an EV you have to stop for 2 hours or more to charge. EVs don't work unless you're a citybound cuck

>>720475707
and normal cars teleport to poeple homes?

>>720457714
This is the future
This is science
You will lose chud

>>720481959
What's that? Can't hear you all the way back there gassy bro https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t1816swmybk

Get that dust out of your mouth.

>>720482114
>anecdotal evidence presented as significant facts

I’m never going back to gas. I’m fucking sick of the smell of gasoline.
But with that being said, EV pickups are retarded.

>>720456989 (OP)
only homosexuals with aids would ever buy an ev.

>>720482320
>Its anecdotal that EVs have less range and require longer to recharge than gas powered
Those are verifiable facts.

>>720456989 (OP)
>>except for cars

>>720482351
They're so ugly man, I wish they were easier to work on and not so ugly and I'd probably get one for a little run around

>>720482495
Oh, you're going to tell us what small Canadian town you live in?

>>720482114
>That and no one is buying them
They do but Trump threatening annexation and Elon Musk being the cringiest subhuman ever tanked Tesla in Canada, which was the leading EV brand. Other American EV brands like Chevy and Ford also took a hit. And since the Chinese cars are illegal in Canada so they're shit out of luck for alternatives. All they get are ancient Priuses, pieces of shit Nissans and overpriced Mercedes.

>>720463651
those country are literally run by retarded boomers because the main voting base are retarded boomers. I dont think people understand how low iq retarded and dumb boomers are. they cant die off fast enough. what a plague

>>720482512
>Trump is canon
All those broken wind farms in the Badlands make sense now lol

>>720459752
Technology famously never improves and we have already reached the limit of what electric vehicles are capable of

>>720461319
go take a hard right on saratoga you ass

>>720461319
Not so state of the art then, is it?

>>720482857
>wind turbines
good, tear them all down, it's slop energy like that that's holding back nuclear

in 5, max 10 years there will not be a single ev on the street anymore. failed tech only propped up by tax incentives and libtards.

>>720482667
Edmonton
The Edmonton to Calgary commute is extremely common and most EVs don't make that range, especially in winter.
>>720482718
Plot that on a chart of all vehicle purchases. Its identical. The retarded cuck torontonians who were going to buy EVs have all bought them. Everyone else realizes this is not a good place for them. Nobody is in a rush to buy a less reliable version of what we already have.

my fun fact about evs is that there is no second hand market for evs and they lose like 75% of value the moment they are sold

>>720482857
wind is stupid and needs to go. Kills millions off birds and bats every year. offshore wind is making whales go extinct.

>>720483009
this

>>720482304
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t1816swmybk
The comments are fucking hilarious

>AYOOO LET'S FUCKING GOOOO THE KURWETTE DIDN'T GET RAPED AS HARD AS I EXPECTED IT TO
lmao

Gassy car bros just can't catch a break. From making fun of the bike guys to getting smoked by gay electric family sedans and cheering when the ICE piece of shit at least gets off the ground properly.

>>720483442
>Kills millions off birds and bats every year
Trump raped those children almost as hard as he raped your brain.

>>720482991
>>720482928

>>720483554
>Denies known facts because orange man said them
biologists have been warning about this shit for years. The whale claims are new, but birds getting chopped up has been known for a decade.

>>720457714
you're so far behind in technology, americans are like self-propagandizing north koreans at this point
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aBdQQxgxDrY

>>720457714
True, the future is cars powered by miniaturized nuclear reactors.
No need to refill for more than 5 years.

>>720468034
Is this some kind of meme?
They use the same fucking tires lmao

>>720475969
>hey man check out that Lucid over there
>no you will not make me suck that penis! i will not!
What the fuck......

>>720478909
Holy shit it's Doug Demuro!
What is this guy up to these days?

I've watched tons of his car reviews like 10 years ago.

>>720479721
>Pic related can do it, albeit it's a hybrid.
>Chinkshit
No it doesn't.
>Yes they are.
No they aren't, hydrogen cars are a better future than electrics, since you know, lithium and copper are more scarce than petroleum, and the production of an EV and pollution to make electricity is several times larger than a gasoline car during 20 years of use.

>>720483009
>slop energy like that that's holding back nuclear
Holy shit shut the fuck up about nuclear energy already. It's GONE. It's fucking OVER. You never had a secured uranium supply chain for it to be adopted across the west. It was never this magical infinity energy you could just prop up. You had to such African, Russian and Kazakh cocks for it to work. All gone now.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DVvDbf1YyT4

Build those fucking dams and coal plants.

>>720483554
This is how retarded the green energy cult is. they don't care about facts, only feelings.
They like to feel like they are saving the planet and just ignore any of the obvious impacts that "green" energy systems like wind and solar have on the environment.

>>720484208
>They like to feel like they are saving the planet
Leftist and even more green leftists have ALWAYS been like this

WE HAVE CLEAN ENERGY
NUCLEAR ENERGY
ITS BEEN EXISTED FOR ALMOST HALF A FUCKING DECADE AT THIS POINT

>>720484143
>No it doesn't.
Yes it does.

Chinaman shits down your throat https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LiDflyT95E0 and all you can do is desperately watch.

>hydrogen cars
Are a scam and one day you'll feel embarrassed for typing that shit out.

>lithium and copper are more scarce than petroleum
Doesn't matter. Sodium is well on its way anyway if scarcity cope is all you have.

>pollution to make electricity is several times larger than a gasoline car during 20 years of use
Fake faggot news, sorry. You fell for it.

>>720456989 (OP)
Something really weird about people that dont like EVs is they always vring sexuality into it, like "im not gay i dont like EVs" , why?

>>720484564
EVs are soulless

>>720484150
>uranium supply chain
you can recycle nuclear material anon. there are also small, scalable, thorium reactor designs which act like giga batteries that last like 20 years.

>>720483692
fun fact wind companies have a allowed number of endangered birds they can chop per year

>>720484352
I'm very aware of this. The left is a feelings first logic second group. They only ever vote for things that "feel good" and have no concept of second order effects. They don't even double check to see if the things they voted for are actually working. They just continually vote for the things that make them feel good. disgusting creatures that should have their voting rights revoked.

>>720484518
>>720484150

>>720484150
>Holy shit shut the fuck up about nuclear energy already. It's GONE. It's fucking OVER.
Yes Ivan McKalenzensky, i am so demoralized now, it's trully over...

oh wait, what is this??? we have thorium! something everyone can get! incredible! nuclear energy is sooo back!

>>720457173
You are brown

>>720484671
>I'm very aware of this. The left is a feelings first logic second group.
Explains why only women and soíboís vote for them.

>>720458848
>>fastest car tops at 330kmph
Uhh why do you need a car that fast?

>>720484208
>no direct source, just Infograph
>no number of bats/birds killed just theories

You want to be a contrarian so hard. I know. But this is fucking stupid.

>>720484879
Because I want to

>>720484518
People are still hesitany about nuclear because of the issue with nuclear waste. Germany is stilk paying for their failed nuclear waste policies from over a half century ago. Irrc they contaminated an entire city's drinking water due to illegal dumping.

>>720482718
>Wonder why they left out 2024
Also 2025 is looking even worse for EV

>>720484970
But why? Where would you drive it?

>>720483467
I would go electric if the charge time was a lot faster. I can't drive 600 miles and then wait 2+ hours to fill up.

>go electric
>elon turns off your car because you didnt pay the subscription for the drive dlc

>>720485042
Did you read my post? Orange Retard threatening annexation and Elongated Muskrat being a piece of shit practically murdered American brands in Canada which used to dominate. Even the tourism fell off.

>>720483771
The increased weight causes tire wear to increase in turn.
Basically EVs are so heavy the tire wear is causing pollution. kek

>>720485082
New tesla turbo chargers fully charge youre car in like 10 minutes but unless uou get it for free(sometimes i have to drive teslas for work, dont pay for anything) its something retarded like 15 dollars every minute of charging or some shit.

>>720485073
My backyard

>>720484642
What does that even mean?

>>720484520
>Chinaman shits down your throat
>Says car can make 1000km of range at 130km/h at -5ºC
>Proceeds to post a top speed video of a car before being engulfed in flames
Here, have your 5 yuan.
>Sodium is well on its way anyway if scarcity cope is all you have
Do you understand that high tension cables are made out of copper and they have no replacement material?
>You fell for it.
>Proceeds to close all nuclear plants in the world except in france, replacing them with gas and coal to have "greener" energy
>Surely this won't pollute several magnitudes more than an small gasoline car
Here, have another 5 yuan more, fellow chinkman

>>720484671
>The left is a feelings first logic second group
Not really. It's just when they present data you call it a conspiracy or "jewish". The right dismiss anything that makes them feel "Icky" with either poor or no scientific evidence to back it up. Like Vaccines, lab grown meat, climate change, ect.

Present actual data that EV's are harming the environment more than ICE

>>720457714
If you could afford a Rivian and don't have a 400 mile roundtrip daily commute you wouldn't feel this way.

>>720484870
women are literally feelings first creatures. the elite cabal know this. they have done many many psychological studies to jack the human meta and change society for their benefit.

>>720484919
https://www.nasbr.org/wind
Kill yourself

>>720469679
Your feelings mean nothing.

>>720485204
Surely it has nothing to do with the fact the average canadian now pays a days wages for a steak or the fact we imported infinity indians without enough jobs to support them. Surely its all orange man's fault that EVs aren't an economically viable choice for a people living in a stagnating country that gets so cold the batteries stop working.

>>720485302
If you don't get a literal hard on from the sound and vibrations when accelerating a combustion engine powered sports car, you are no man.

>>720485204
Weren't you saying how chingchong chinaman chao is taking over? Now you're saying only Tesla sells?

>>720483771
It's not. EVs are heavy as hell and make actually heavy cars like Dodge Challenger look lightweight. Electric cars tires and brakes always wear out fast.
>>720485204
>muh Trump
>muh Elon
>muh Canada domination
Why are you always so mad? If leaves will want, they'll fix their own shit.

>>720485358
The data being done by the ADL and Gender studies groups. Kek

>>720485587
sexo

>>720485204
GOOD
FUCK CANADA

>>720485587
I dont like how loud that is, i like EV and one reason is how quiet and smooth they are, while they accelerate super fast.

>you are no man
I was born with a dick and balls anon, im a man. You are essentially saying that being a man is dictated by social marks which is pretty much tranny logic.

>>720484564
That's how amerimutt media works. It's all idpol and corporate tribalism. The oil lobby sold the retards this identity that gas guzzling shitup trucks are le manly >>720476284

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wBC_bug5DIQ

>>720485478
>Google AI

Electric capacitance for high powered machines is incredibly stupid.

The future is hydrogen and nuclear power. Possibly even fusion in 50 years. In the meantime we need to focus on hybrid technology and cross compatible parts to reduce trash and increase the secondhand market of all machinery, like it was common in the 20th century before the rise of use and trash cheap Chinese parts.

>>720485358
>Like Vaccines
we were right about the vaccines
>climate change
sorry but this is entirely hyped up by rich people and politicians so they can line their pockets. All the data shows that the scaremongering computer models used to shill global warming were completely wrong. 20 foot sea level rises, ice free poles, all lies.
Meanwhile Al gore and others made a killing by investing in green energy companies which where propped up by politicians enacting policy changes to benefit those companies, causing their stock price to skyrocket and all the investors to make a fuckload of money. It's all insider trading.

They literally sold you a problem then sold you the solution and made billions in the process.

>>720485836
Is there even a hybrid or electric version of the one on the left? Not saying they're more popular, but I personally know someone with a hybrid truck that looks like the one on the left that BTFO gas milage of any gas vehicle.

>>720458848
>nobody:
>literally no one:
>not one single FUCKING person:
>...
>Bethesda Derangement Syndrome people: "Guys, what about STAAAAAAAAAAARFIELD!"
jesus anon

>>720485478
>AI answer
To trash your opinion goes. You're no better than fucking redditor.

>>720485443
>>720484208
Weird how you haven't mentioned the rebuttal to this which addresses it.

https://rewi.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/AWWI-Bats-and-Wind-Energy-White-Paper-FINAL.pdf

Which states they have already started feathering the blades to greatly reduce fatalities....Back in 2015. Odd is it because your feelings tell you that you don't like liberal energy and will push back on it no matter what?

>>720485836
>manly
No, you're factually wrong. It's due to liability, aka lawyers, and preventing car deaths due to the sheer mass of these vehicles.

If those two trucks collided, do you think the smaller cab truck would be walking away from that crash? No.

When in doubt, blame a lawyer, because it is. We need to control ambulance/ trial attorney lawyers, but it will be nigh impossible, because they're the bread and butter for the DNC party of America. Look into it more instead of spouting low IQ deductions and old 1990s propaganda.

>>720457173
All they had to do is find a way to bost the sound old train VFDs made, shit is much cooler than any V8.

>>720486282
Remind me how much wind turbines need to be repaired and how much they generate in time ,% per year along with their recyclability?

>>720485614
>Weren't you saying how chingchong chinaman chao is taking over?
Absolutely.

Red CHINAMAN is just brutally and mercilessly RAPING Tesla whenever they're allowed to compete. Leafjeets had to ban Chinese cars or be annexed.
That's why like Doug said >>720478909 you need to cancel free market capitalism just to survive. Now bend over so Elon Musk and Jim Farley can rape your wallet for subsidies, tax cattle.

Isn't there some place in france full of abandoned EV cars?

>>720485995
>we were right about vaccines

>https://www.who.int/news/item/24-04-2024-global-immunization-efforts-have-saved-at-least-154-million-lives-over-the-past-50-years
>Global immunization efforts have saved at least 154 million lives over the past 50 years

> https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9004490/
> Between December 31, 2018 and April 26, 2019, 72 confirmed cases of measles were identified in Clark County.
> The overall societal cost of the 2019 Clark County measles outbreak was approximately $3.4 million ($47,479 per case or $814 per contact)

> https://www.gavi.org/vaccineswork/what-happens-when-you-dont-recover-measles
> As recently as 1990, measles and vitamin A deficiency were considered the major cause of childhood blindness in most lower-income countries. In 2004, WHO estimated that some 100,000 children lost their vision each year as a consequence of the virus.

> https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC3540628/
> Acute gastroenteritis is one of the most common illnesses of infants and children worldwide and a major cause of childhood deaths in the developing world
> The contribution of rotavirus to severe diarrhea in US children was further shown by the 44% to 59% decrease in hospitalizations and 37% to 48% decrease in emergency room visits for diarrhea from all causes during winter months in vaccinated compared with unvaccinated children.

>sorry but this is entirely hyped up by rich people and politicians so they can line their pockets
Which is why they all sold their waterfront property and have lost millions in real estate. What happened to you just follow the data and not your feelings? Sounds very FEELINGS based.

the biggest propaganda win by the left was to convince people that c02 is pollution. literally the gas of life. everything relies on it. no c02, no life. and morons literally eat it all up, massive blackpill

>>720464051
reality is they can go that fast, the problem is power consumption is crazy high and manufacturers dont want people to drive themselves to death in droves so they all limit the engines to ~200 km/h max

>>720486535
>but what about...
Bro I could argue with you all day and you wouldn't change your mind. Not even saying wind turbines are a good or practical source of energy, but your blind hate for the lib energy is so fucking pathetic. Especially when you consider our current alternatives.

>>720486537
>EVshill is a chinese propagandist
lol
lmao
My favourite part is how they outright lie in order to make themselves look good and yet aren't very good at lying.

>Now that Musk is considered right-wing, liberal greens have to pretend that some literal who company is "actually the good EV producer" but "everybody is too poor" to buy from them
Imagine living your whole life second-guessing everything you do in case it doesn't align to some imaginary bullshit you don't even actually care about but have adhere to for social goodboy points

>>720486669
Might be the most retarded post in this thread of retardation.

>>720459063
Aerodynes were always a "rich people and governments only" thing in Cyberpunk 2020, though they should have added the spinners and hoverboards from Cybergenaration.

>>720486767
That's not what about. Holy shit, move goalposts you fucking disingenuous faggot. 4chan today is nothing but fucking raiding trannies posting circular arguments and evading all logic and callouts. Fuck off. You people are snakes.

>>720485587
>OY VEY IF YOU DON'T LIKE FARTING NOISES, GAS FUMES AND PLASTIC RUMBLING AT EVERY SHIFT YOU AIN'T NO MOHFUGGING MAYNE
>*sips Black Rifle Coffee*
>*gets SMOKED by a Karen in an electric family sedan with a fridge between the seats*
It's akin to those brandwhore consoomer niggers laughing at other niggers that don't wear Jordans.

You're just a consumerist slut. That's not a manly identity.

>>720487054
woah he's fucking strong

>>720486916
Says the person who provides no counter argument other than ad hominem. He's not wrong, but he's not fully right. CO2 is literally the reason why flora exploded on our planets surface millions of years ago. Go even fucking watch PBS Nova series.

>>720484696
the US had thorium reactor technology in the 60s which is when they last considered swapping over. but thorium has a major problem with US leadership, which is that it can't be weaponized like uranium to create plutonium, which is the one real product that american nuclear plants are producing. electricity generation is only a side benefit to them. that's why they didn't switch the first time, and they never will. the US actually generates more electricity from renewables than from nuclear. if the US plans new reactors, it's to replace old ones that are slated for retirement. if they are actually expanding their reactor count, what that really means is that they're expanding their nuclear arsenal.

conversely, this is also why several european countries have been moving away from nuclear. they don't produce nuclear weapons so politically they're fine with ditching nuclear energy if that's what their voters want.

>>720486836
Ok but digits don't lie >>720484520

>>720485357
>a car before being engulfed in flames
lol?

Your ass is bleeding lil bro.

>>720465924
We'll get solid state batteries the same year as a cure for Alzheimer's and being able to regrow teeth from implanted buds.

>>720486669
It's just a modern day religion. Remember it's okay for Bill Gates and Zelensky to fly around the world in private jets because they have carbon credits but you must be banned from eating beef, that's what the scientific computer models say

>>720485836
Hummers were widely mocked as being wasteful. Not saying the marketing for them doesn't exist, but the reason why people buy those big trucks is because they often need to engine strength to pull and carry shit.

>>720486601
Counter point
Fuck low income countries.
If they don't die to some basic bitch disease, they'd die to whatever random conflict broke out.

>>720456989 (OP)
Why can't irl cars looks so cool

>>720487408
>they have carbon credits but you must be banned from eating beef
Yeah that's the biggest bullshit and the reason I refuse to comply on anything of this, fucking billionaires do whatever they want but I'm supposed to sacrifice myself when I literally make no difference? Nah fuck them.

>>720456989 (OP)
because electric cars are objectively piece of shit, just like how "smart guns" from metal gear are objectively pieces of shit
>>720485836
yurop is too poor and retarded to invent AC

>>720485992
>The future is hydrogen
Not even for trucks anymore, which was their only speculated viable utility previously.

>>720456989 (OP)
>game has a mechanic that's the most op and obvious choice
>no one even considers it
what the gaem /v/?

>>720487667
That's just a bogged Jewgatti

>>720486669
I bought an EV because it makes 835 horsepower, not because of pollution propaganda.

>>720487289
> this is also why several european countries have been moving away from nuclear. they don't produce nuclear weapons so politically they're fine with ditching nuclear energy if that's what their voters want.

Nuclear weapons are not produced in large numbers anymore, you also don't need an NPP to transform uranium into a weapon you just need a refinery for that.
in reality Uranium mines are all owned by corporation and thorium can be easily created from recycled materials, so they make sure that governments never look into it and keep generating a maximum profit with the mines.

New generator technology still use uranium but will now use less of it as fuel than necessary while still generating even more energy, thorium is pushed aside for a reason and there's a solid hint showing it's all about money uranium generate, same reason why solar panels are shilled to the max by Oil producers

>>720487045
It is. You're not presenting any data. Even with maintenance costs they are still several times more better for the environment than fossil fuel plants. The penalty isn't even that bad as recent studies have shown.
https://arxiv.org/abs/2501.01954
https://www.mdpi.com/1996-1073/18/6/1548

>>720488349
And it is what about, because I know will move onto your next point that you regurgitate from YouTube conservatives.

>>720488124
>you want to be cool but you are gay and have aids at the same time

>>720486061
It's also America Derangement Syndrome, if you pay attention. The person you replied to is mad because America made him poor.

>>720456989 (OP)
lets be real, in a cyberpunk dystopia america would be the one country that would desperately cling on to gas cars, maybe with some thirdie shitholes. then theyd hastily switch over to ethanol like in cyberpunk as gas becomes too expensive

>>720456989 (OP)
I feel like the art team behing the Cyberpunk vehicles are the only part of the company that really earned their paychecks. So many kino and soulful designs.

>>720457714
based
however, most new cars are gay. only a handful still has sovl.

>>720489221
Shame there's barely any motorcycles and half of them are just reskins, they're so much better to go around in night city

>>720489003
We have a lot of oil to sustain us for a while, so it's possible, but we're already using 10% ethanol.

>>720485082
You dont charge to 100%, typically when you reach below 20% you start looking for a charger and then only charge to 80% because that takes like 15 minutes.

>>720489405
well the reason i brought that up was because in cyberpunk the cars run on 100% wheat ethanol (not sure why its not corn) and not actual petroleum gasoline

>>720489405
>ethanol.
Garbage that turns into water and fucks up your car

>>720456989 (OP)
because it's a commentary on the evils of unregulated capitalism, which means Big Oil would be allowed to dump petroleum onto the market for pennies and there would be no protections to ensure EV alternatives are available

>>720489003
You cant just pump gas, in a dystopia you would still need to make it and store it, gas is good for around 6 months in storage.

>>720489538
It's made by polacks. Wheat is bigger in eastern yurop than corn. Why do you think Russkies invented vodka? We made corn moonshine in the USA.

>>720489003
Fastest vehicles in this game are Caliburn, Semimaru and Muramasa. English and Japanese companies. The entire planet is stuck on ICE.

>>720487596
>gets proven wrong
>well im racist therefore im right anyway
Strange strategy

I want more carbon and less brown people in the world

>>720457714
The only thing holding back electric vehicles is the fact that you currently have to plan around recharging them. If you could just stop somewhere and recharge in three minutes like refilling a gas tank, no one but enthusiasts would prefer combustion engine based cars.

>>720489719
the cyberpunk world wasnt made by poles, its an licensed IP. pondsmith is an american and chooh2 is in the tabletop game iirc
>>720489749
yeah im not sure the logistics of this other than having the obvious monsanto parody be extremely evil. i dont know how big oil let that go that easily unless the reserves dried up a lot earlier in universe. theres way dumber stuff in the ttrpg anyway

>>720489920
>>well im racist therefore im right anyway
Correct.

wouldnt cars running on pure e100 create a fucking ungodly alcohol smell in the air?

>>720487431
The heaviest thing 99.9% of truck owners ever carry with their vehicles is their own obese bodies.

how much money does the oil lobby sink into cuckservatives parties just to have chuds tell everyone how dependency on arab resources and inhaling engine fumes is trad and based

>>720489719
Corn is only popular in America. In Europe alcohol is made from wheat and triticale, since corn is extremely whimsical crop and generally needs more maintenance and the demand for it isn't as big. Triticale and wheat require less maintenance and it's extremely cheap to grow and harvest, while corn drains soil and needs optimal temperatures with good soil.
For alcohol it's more of same, all 3 are good for alcohol manufacturing outside the fact that wheat with triticale are generally cheaper to grow.

>>720490273
>No one but enthusiasts would prefer combustion cars
until they have to replace the battery pack and realize they might as well buy a new car because of the price. People just need to let the personal automobile die already and invest in much more robust public transportation or at least make electric scooters tax free

>>720489652
i think you dont understand what a dystopia is. you can even still pay paper cash at gas stations in cyberpunk, if you inspect the pump. its still an objective dystopia even if its not literally combine tier (which is cartoonish anyway)

>>720490568
??? I don't see many trucks in the UK or Germany though

>>720487431
>the reason why people buy those big trucks is because they often need to engine strength to pull and carry shit.
90% of truck owners will never use their truck this way, its the exact reason why over the last 50 years the truck bed has gotten smaller and the cab has gotten larger
>inb4 "but those aren't the work truck models! you can still get big ones!"
Yes and 50 years ago you could get a truck with a larger cab as well but the Ford F-150 that sells the most is the one with the huge cab tiny bed that insecure manlets buy to use primarily as a minivan.

>>720490639
What do you mean bro. It's leftists torching teslas now. They seem to hate electric vehicles

>>720491064
Because they understand that normal cars can do it better (much higher average intelligence).

>>720463402
>we truly live in the most boring dystopia possible
that's what I'm always saying, all the fiction painting the "worst" dystopias and none of them predicted that reality would be so much more lame, all the shit stuff and not even the cool aesthetics, much less anything substantial. If our reality was a game, you'd find it in the bargain bin next to fucking forklift simulator.

>>720488741
kek

ICE cars are slow, sound like they're farting AND they stink.
EVs are faster and drive better. Cool robots with wheels basically.

I'm sorry but it is what it is
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4vFbIh_qxxs

The only reason to "prefer" ICE slop is if you're living in a shithole that refuses to adopt them and improve the EV charging infrastructure (and battery swapping stations in the future) and you can't do anything to change your government's mind since your vote is worthless against the Chevron lobbies. So you cope that what you're stuck with is better lol.

Only bikers have the right to complain since e-bikes still can't compete with the current tech and industry demands (don't link me Lightning Motors, it's an impressive startup prototype, nothing more.)

>>720491236
Because Elon didn't play their ball kek
Back in late 2000s and early 2010s lefties were gushing all over Elon and Tesla, thinking that some psychotic billionaire will tag along and will their guy, but surprise surprise, Elon doesn't give a fuck.

>>720491375
Bait used to be believable

>>720491236
Just Teslas.

>>>720491430
>Because Elon didn't play their ball kek
Nobody forced him to throw sieg heils and do drugs bro. He torched his own company by being a political cringelord and samefagging his own tweets with alt accounts lol

>>720489003
https://youtu.be/kkmHmMa4C0o

>>720491205
They're shorter now because people prefer to not have to buy a second vehicle for work and commute. If you really needed the extea length you'd buy a trailer to hook onto the car and the detach it when you no longer need it. You can even rent the trailer for cheap.

>>720491734
>muh sieg heils
He doesn't give a fuck and Roman salute doesn't mean shit, you fucking redditor
>He torched his own company by being a political cringelord and samefagging his own tweets with alt accounts lol
He was sabotaging Tesla for ages, retard. Tesla isn't even his company, he aggressively took it over through corporate sabotage and was riding on hype and people's trust for years.

>>720462772
wtf is rivian?

>>720491957
You know this post just tells me 100% you never used a work truck in your life.

>>720491375
>and battery swapping stations in the future
Oh no no no.
It's a legitimate paid shill posting in here lmao

>>720463003
NEW car sales will be illegal. they cant tow and crush every ice car in existence.

>mfw I work at an electric car factory
>mfw they are not selling
>mfw I have no face, and if things keep going like this, probably won't have a job.

>>720492163
I have and they're a pain to maneuver and to find parking. They still make trucks with full bed sizes but the average joe would rather buy the more convenient all 'rounder that's still perfectly capable or hauling his boat for 20 miles to the lake.

>>720492938
Most of the ones being a sold are being bought as company cars and they end up on the second hand market once the battery fails

>>720483935
he's rich and still makes car videos

>>720457714
>10 years when people realise these lithium bombs are not maintainable long term
Relying on governments with highest supply of crude oil isn't sustainable either. More importantly the insurance industry discourages the use of older cars regardless.

>>720463850
>>720465274
>>720468425
>>720468564
>Toyota Mirai
lyl, 102.000 dollarydoos in my country

>>720487369
People here (correctly) are against such level of botnet integration, but normalfaggots would gladly gobble it up.

>>720496859
You didn't buy low sodium, I hope.

>>720492417
Battery swapping is a game changer. It's revolutionary.

>>720497719
Your pic is impossible in the low trust societies that permeate the world now. Would be broken within a week.

>>720492051
>Roman salute
Not a thing. It's sieg heil.

>He was sabotaging Tesla for ages
>elon was intentionally committing suicide since last year lol he's merely pretending to be retarded
LMAO

>>720497853
Security cameras and cops, hello??

>>720467962
one of the things that annoyed me in 2077, everything is comically awful everywhere all of the time, 2020 had more nuance, hell in RED you could argue things where improving but I guess you have to go all the way to sell the setting to normies

I just take the bus

>>720498382
People smoke fent while riding in my city's bus system

>>720497853
I sometimes see unattended stalls on my local marketplace when the owner leaves for a bathroom break and nobody ever steals from them.

>>720497967
>security cams
We live in a society where wearing a hoodie and paper mask in public is acceptable behavior
>cops
LOL

>>720498382
Watch out for random knives

>>720497885
Elon did the salute because he's autistic and did it in the heat of the moment. He's a greedy billionaire but he's not a nazi.

>>720456989 (OP)
Neat tech, isn't it? Too bad it's no good if I can't get the hydrocarbons I'm looking for.

>>720498686
Where the fuck do you live. LA? Nanibia?
This doesn't happen in most of the civilized world.

>>720483717
kek tesla showed this exact shit off 10 years ago, surely this time it'll actually materialize right??

>>720497885
>Not a thing. It's sieg heil.
we need more jeets and jews who explain us our culture.

>>720456989 (OP)
EVs are so fucking gay, I love tailgating them and cutting them off, their retarded computer cars can't do shit about it

>>720457714
not what retrofuturism refers to. it's like calling game of thrones victorian fantasy

>>720500534
EVs are always the retards weaving through traffic making the roads more dangerous just so they can get somewhere 0.5 seconds faster.
Not all EVs but ALWAYS an EV.

>>720479115
he's advocating for trade barriers not socialism retard

>>720458848
>fastest car tops at 330kmph
Not even. The speedo in Cyberpunk applies a 'scaling factor' to your speed to make cars look faster than they really are. With a mod that fixes the speedometer, most cars struggle to hit 100 kph, and the Caliburn only hits 200 kph. You can use other mods to improve car performance, but then the game struggles to load objects in time if you actually maintain real speeds of 300 kph or more.

>>720456989 (OP)
List of NEV mods for Cyberpunk to make it more realistic and accurate to the future:

Tesla Cybertruck (electric)
https://www.nexusmods.com/cyberpunk2077/mods/12427
https://www.nexusmods.com/cyberpunk2077/mods/12459

Tesla Cybertruck Urog (electric)
https://www.nexusmods.com/cyberpunk2077/mods/13219

Hyundai N Vision 74 (hydrogen-electric)
https://www.nexusmods.com/cyberpunk2077/mods/11974
https://www.nexusmods.com/cyberpunk2077/mods/16875
https://www.nexusmods.com/cyberpunk2077/mods/16887

Lotus Evija (electric)
https://www.nexusmods.com/cyberpunk2077/mods/21083

Rimac Nevera (electric)
https://www.nexusmods.com/cyberpunk2077/mods/14112

Ferrari SF90 Stradale (hybrid)
https://www.nexusmods.com/cyberpunk2077/mods/19922
https://www.nexusmods.com/cyberpunk2077/mods/14114

Ferrari Purosangue (hybrid)
https://www.nexusmods.com/cyberpunk2077/mods/13591

Koenigsegg Regera (hybrid)
https://www.nexusmods.com/cyberpunk2077/mods/10134

Koenigsegg Gemera (hybrid)
https://www.nexusmods.com/cyberpunk2077/mods/10256

Bugatti Tourbillon (hybrid)
https://www.nexusmods.com/cyberpunk2077/mods/22107

Lamborghini Terzo Millennio (electric)
https://www.nexusmods.com/cyberpunk2077/mods/2398

Lamborghini Veneno (hybrid)
https://www.nexusmods.com/cyberpunk2077/mods/16224

Lamborghini Temerario (hybrid)
https://www.nexusmods.com/cyberpunk2077/mods/16479

Lamborghini Revuelto (hybrid)
https://www.nexusmods.com/cyberpunk2077/mods/12705

Lamborghini Urus (hybrid)
https://www.nexusmods.com/cyberpunk2077/mods/12022

Porsche Taycan Turbo S (electric)
https://www.nexusmods.com/cyberpunk2077/mods/14668

Porsche 918 Spyder (hybrid)
https://www.nexusmods.com/cyberpunk2077/mods/9125

Aston Martin Valkyrie (hybrid)
https://www.nexusmods.com/cyberpunk2077/mods/12015

Mclaren P1 (hybrid)
https://www.nexusmods.com/cyberpunk2077/mods/10344

Mclaren P1 GTR (hybrid)
https://www.nexusmods.com/cyberpunk2077/mods/17133

>>720501694
forgot

Lucid Air Sapphire (electric)
https://www.nexusmods.com/cyberpunk2077/mods/24012

>>720466512
>There is no oil in CP
There's still countries in the setting that are trying to make oil work

>>720456989 (OP)
300+ replies and not a single post about the possibility of electric grids getting hacked or taken over by rogue AIs? Data krash already happened once and in 2077 the Netwatch and cannibalized Alt Cunningham are the only ones barely preventing another network collapse. Any mass outage means all vehicles dying in a matter of hours. Carrying portable generators and some fuel completely defeats the point of driving EVs in the first place, not to mention batteries and generator + fuel being ridiculously heavy. It has fuck all to do with real world technology and politics.

>>720456989 (OP)
Oil industry won. Also an electric car takes over an hour to charge. Cyberpunk takes place after a technological collapse and it turns out that most people can't afford rent let alone a vehicle. Those that own one probably don't want to spend a long time charging their vehicles in a bad neighborhood which is more or less the entire city lol. Also its a Polish game with Polish values, so no perfect EV's.
>>720489003
This. We have our reasons for doing so but yeah I can honestly see gas vehicles still existing 50 years from now here.
>>720463850
They killed the idea and possibly the inventor because it was a threat to gas industry.

>>720501694
Could've sworn there was an Ioniq mod...

>>720456989 (OP)
what are those rich people jet pod things called? anyways, my point is jet engines are combustion. show me an EV jet you ev cucks

>>720484208
Why should I care about statistically irrelevant bird deaths caused by wind and solar? They're not endangering any species.

>>720491519
I'm being deadass though https://youtu.be/JYC7QyPf3ns?si=o5VyYoF6AB5mfh3f

>>720505386
>rich people jet pod things
AVs. And only Rayfield (makers of Caliburn and Aerondight) makes the luxury civilian AVs - Rayfield Excalibur. Even the Arasaka uses them.
The rest are either military or trauma team transports.

>EV jet
Technically possible but the actual future of flying cars are electric quadcopter/drones.

why do chuddies hate wind and solar so much
its literally become cheaper than coal depending on location

>>720506123
>why do chuddies hate wind and solar so much
i thought hippies hate both of those cause
>muh birds

>>720506123
>coal
I dont want coal I want NUCLEAR you faggot

>>720506123
Orange Retard's clown cabinet posts mentally ill shit like this https://x.com/TheMaineWonk/status/1962980742750683324

It's actually over.

>>720506630
No, that FUD is all republican https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wBC_bug5DIQ

>>720507015
Trump loves coal.

>>720507015
renewables and nuclear are not mutually exclusive, look at china

>>720458848
>upgraded power grid
That's really fucking funny that you think this shit isn't all by design to rape us and sell us less electricity for more.
>Oh no the brown outs, were at our limit, better triple your bill for the same kwh, le sigh, if only the grid was upgraded
>"upgrade" the grid, appliances take yet more energy
>OH NO THE BROWNOUTS WERE AT OUR LIMIT, BETTER TRIPLE YOUR BILL AGAIN
its all a fucking scam

>>720507170
paneling over acres of wildlife habitat for no good reason is not "renewable" or "green"

solar for large scale energy generation is retarded and should be phased out along with wind farms

>>720506123
Pants on head retarded compared to nuke, not as cheap as coal/oil.

>>720456989 (OP)
But that's exactly what's happening now
Evs have always been uncool they sound gay look lame heavy low center of gravity makes them dangerous in a crash impossible to stop no engine or chassis feel their just fucking shit

Even if battery tech magically catches up to ice there will never be the charging infrastructure to support it on a mass adoption scale

Evs are fun for the sake reason scooters and RC cars are but fuck having one as a daily the range anxiety and charging shit pales in comparison to the drm bullshit

>>720507716
ESL

Gasoline is still one of the most energy-dense forms of portable fuel. One would assume the imperfect combustion problem is solved in the future, so the engine exhausts nothing but CO2 and water. And on top of that, ""fossil"" fuels are easy to synthesize using fusion energy to power the process since it's literally just hydrogen (which is everywhere) and carbon (which is everywhere).

>>720507264
this
unless a renewable solution can phase out fossil fuels entirely and also be more efficient and be a fraction of a fraction of a fraction of the cost, there is zero point in wasting time with shit like solar and wind, i would argue that hydroelectric needs to go aswell, as it also is a much bigger ecological disaster than fossil fuels ever will be
Nothing renewable can ever come close to the sheer output of things like coal, oil, or gasoline, they are absolutely vital to both the world's economy and have produce electricity at a pace that outstrips any benefit renewable energy can offer, even if we covered the entire planet+moon in solar panels and wind turbines for 100 years, it wouldn't match .0001% of what a single coal burning electric plant can produce in a single day

>>720493387
You can run a ICE engine on wood fumes

>>720456989 (OP)
tesla vette..

>>720457714
and what happens when we run out of oil?

>>720483009
>that pic
fucking evil

>>720508057
>""fossil"" fuels are easy to synthesize
you really don't want to try synthesizing fossil fuels, the end product invariably sucks and is a massive waste of resources, the energy put into synthesizing them is fucktuple the amount you get by burning it, complete deficit. The only viable solution to energy period is digging and drilling for the real deal, everything else is worthless

>>720468034
>not to mention that electric cars corrode roads more and wear out tires and brakes twice as fast due to the increased weight.
none of that is true
electric cars get to use regenerative braking so their pads and shoes last forever because they're used much less frequently. the extra weight is nothing to roads, that's not how that works. it's true electric cars pay an extra road wear tax on their tabs, but that's only because road work and repair pull heavily from gas taxes which electric car owners don't contribute so, so they're using the roads "for free" otherwise

>>720508397
>even if we covered the entire planet+moon in solar panels and wind turbines for 100 years, it wouldn't match .0001% of what a single coal burning electric plant can produce in a single day
Holy shit it's him >>720507045

>>720508727
we won't
""running out"" is a meme
>what if we run out of fresh water
>what if we run out of land
>what if we run out of litterally anything
well then i guess we would be proper fucked wouldn't we? So we won't, because it'd be retarded to do so.

>>720508773
Extra weight does wear roads out faster, drive down any trucking route and you'll find that the roads are chewed up to hell and may even have wheel grooves imprinted at stop lights and in the intersection.

EV's wouldn't be as bad as a big rig but they're still gonna be worse than a lighter car.

>>720465924
>It turns out nobody really cares that the button-sized battery costs $2,000 when it's a component of a $50,000 device being implanted in a $300,000 surgery. I get it.
Have you considered how fucking important it is that a pacemaker is constantly working no matter what.

>>720468034
>synthetic fuel actually is the future
head in the sky bullshit
see
>>720508760

>>720508920
this guy gets it
we won't even have that long before the seals are broken

>>720509010
>80,000 lb semis
>6,000 lb EVs
Personal vehicles really don’t affect the roads that much.

>>720509223
Everything affects roads, why do you think there's road construction year round on any major route?

Do you even drive?

>>720509223
that 6,000 ev will fuck up a road immensely faster than a semi that weighs 160,000 lbs due to weight distribution.

>>720457714
>Also C77 is retrofuturism, its meant to be what 80s thought the future would be like with rule of cool
Bull shit, if that was the case they wouldn't have changed the character who was literally David Bowie with a gun to be an expired chink rentboy instead.

>>720463017
Are they better than 4runners? Am I slobbering big oil because I can get an equivalent gas powered SUV for literally half the price and way better range? And no, we aren't using the fake estimated range EV slaves like to tout

>>720509393
we only started seeing bad road decay here when shitty fucking evs started making potholes

>>720509393
They are designed for those semis and the wear is factored in. Personal vehicles are negligible to the wear of roads. Touch a tire of both a semi and one of those and get back to be on how hot both are.

>>720509502
It’s really not

>>720508760
>the energy put into synthesizing them is fucktuple the amount you get by burning it, complete deficit.
Not true. It's about 50% efficiency and using fusion to back the process would be the optimal move to create portable power.

>>720462772
>consumer acceptance
not happening lmao
no way you're cramming me into a soimobile
lifted f-150 till i die baby

>>720487667
https://youtu.be/hvpmrARMl1w?si=nEfO2y22-YMtVSWr

>>720509840
>50% efficiency
so completely worthless compared to actual fuels cool got it

>>720510020
What "actual fuels"?

>>720457714
>lithium
Solid state batteries.

>>720510251
gasoline made from legitimate oil thats been in the ground the way its meant to be
not your Frankenstein mad scientist synthetic faggotry that doesn't burn worth a damn and smells like gay aids sex with transexuals

>>720510541
>smells like gay aids sex with transexuals
And you recognise that smell because...

>>720508760
It's really not a big deal to use non-fossil fuel.
Here in Brazil we use sugar cane ethanol, every ICE car can run on it.
It's cheaper but has 30% higher usage. Slightly more powerful due to higher octane rating.

>>720510906
brazil really out there burning whatever the fuck to power pic related

>>720468034
>especially now that even normies are waking up to the fact that manufacturing an electric car is more polluting than driving a gasonline car for 10 years
Only for the raw materials. Once they're out of the ground, the scrap lithium gets recycled for the next batch of cars.

>>720511779
>nigga actually thinks recycling is economically viable
>he thinks recycled materials hold even a percent of value
>he fell for the memes
trash goes where it belongs, dummy
in the landfill

>>720456989 (OP)
The original Cyberpunk 2013 and Cyberpunk 2020 ttrpg's came out in the late 80's and early 90's. Cyberpunk 2077 is a continuation of the same universe the ttrpg's were set in.

>>720511942
Nigger, the issue for electric cars right now is that we don't have enough lithium for manufacturing. It needs to be collected from deposits around the world, that's why the first phase isn't going to yield more efficient results until we start recycling the lithium from scrapped electric vehicles. Do you understand now.

>Anti-gasoline and anti-hydrogen poster going insane in this thread
And people say there aren't shills on 4chan

>>720512164
Recycled shit is for cucks that like to marry non-virgins
enjoy driving around someone else's used goods i guess, if thats what you're into and gets your dick hard

>>720512428
Are you not even aware just how much recycling we already do? Never heard of a scrapyard?

>>720509967
Bootleg Elantra

>>720487054
>Plastic trim is plastic
Ok?
Anything other revelations

>>720512159
>60 years of technological stagnation
Grim.

>>720456989 (OP)
The global elites want poor people to keep huffing poisonous fumes, actually.

>>720512164
>Nigger, the issue for electric cars right now is that we don't have enough lithium for manufacturing
That's Toyoda's jew lie though. Got debunked instantly.
The problem with Lithium is that Chinese suppliers got the dibs on every mine across the globe.

>>720458061
>americans
EVs are not popular here

>>720485587
>you are no man.
OK :3

>>720512956
I long knew about the lack of lithium available before the whole push for a carbon neutral world by 2050. Of all the known lithium in the world, we do not have enough for the goals governments want to achieve. Stop trying to bullshit me on this, I'm more versed on the issue than you think.

>>720510289
>New battery bro new battery! It will fix everything just one more new battery bro!
People have been raving about new battery technology that will fix everything every single week for 10+ years now

>>720457714
Buddy, it's over. Electric cars are going to replace standard ICE vehicles for the majority of drivers in the coming decades. You're just gonna have to put up with it.

>>720510289
>Solid state batteries
Yes, but the technology is still in its infancy. It's a must because current lithium vehicle batteries are deadly tinder boxes when they explode.

>>720510541
>>720482492
>gay aids sex with transexuals
Maybe this anon was onto something
>>720484564
>>720483815

>>720513707
>run outside and get burned
>stay inside and get cooked

>>720513707
Those are old lithium batteries. Lithium iron phosphate snuff themselves out. Check out BYD blade battery demonstrations.

>>720513963
>Those are old lithium batteries
They're still current technology.

>>720513221
You're misinformed, sorry. They got you.

>>720512786
Well, according to Cyberpunk RED the 4th corporate war really fucked things up. They were doing war crimes for shit we don't have words for.

>>720487024
This is 57 years after that

>>720457714
electric cars are performative environmentalism for retards
>deforestation to mine lithium
>the more electric cars there are the more necessary coal and natural gas are for the power grid to support them
>still made with plastic parts, a pertolium product
hippies are retarded and should just take the bus if they're worried about emissions

>>720513995
No they really aren't. We went through 3 different battery compositions already and even LFP are now threatened to be replaced by Sodium and SS.

>>720514339
>No they really aren't
Is there a ban on those old lithium batteries? If not, shut the fuck up.

For me it's the Quadra Type-66 "Javelina"

>>720456989 (OP)
Someone please just nuke the entire world and rid the human populace once and for all.

>>720515186
Do you have anymore saved images of awesome car designs.

>>720514263
>the more necessary coal and natural gas are for the power grid to support them
Well golly gee maybe if China wasn't carrying renewable energy worldwide and Europeans and the US bothered to fucking modernize our grids this wouldn't be a problem.

>>720514624
NMC is getting phased out because the average buyer prefers LFP precisely because of improved safety. You would know this if you were actually looking to buy an EV since you sound like the average customer that knows of thermal runaways. The reason you don't is because you just collect these webms and articles to cope, not to research with interest in EVs.

It's an evolving meta. Like how even the piece of shit Prius had to phase out NIMH batteries despite how cheapskate Toyota is.

Battery tech is advancing so fast not even your meme narratives can keep up.

>>720484792
You are underage.

>>720510541
>carbohydrates pumped from the dirt are somehow different from carbohydrates created in a lab

>>720485836
blame the EPA and Ralph Nader

>>720456989 (OP)
IT'S ELECTRIC
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vF84LABHm0

>>720516049
You really are trying your damnedest to not acknowledge that those lithium batteries are still in use. Why? It makes no sense for you to do so. Until they are off the road or banned, they're still current lithium battery technology.

>>720456989 (OP)
Why do cyberpunk shills defend all of the trannies and blacks in this game

>>720463850
They don't make any sense.
>fuel naturally abundant but hard (and energy intensive) to create
>You either use it as ICE fuel which incurs the same thermal efficiency problems as gas ice or use a fuel cell (EV with extra steps)
>Storing the fuel is difficult and burns crazy fast when ignited (ie explodes)
Unless they come up with some absolutely batshit insane way to to cheaply make hydrogen they will always be rolling jokes.

>>720517408
Because black tranny cocks are delicious. Next question.

EV is a joke honestly, ICE cars are only held back because of big oil money and guvment refuse to reduce gas price, clean gas is already a thing and whole climate change bullshit is fake af

>>720463402
>>720491263
There's a very obvious reason why future fiction doesn't depict realistic "boringness" in the future, and that's because it's still fiction for NOW, which means it has to be entertaining. And a bland and boring existence or aesthetic of the future is not fun to watch/read for the audience. Even designs like the "poor" car you posted have to be fun to better engage the audience in fiction.

One thing that always confused me was what powered the implants in cyberpunk. I get that the cars are still a biofuel, but implants should be using long term storage batteries? And if those exists for humans, shouldn't cars have them too?

>>720456989 (OP)
Space travel allow us to extract unlimited oil from other planet

Sticking some new ring headlights and wheels on a forester XJ, and adding a new widescreen head unit on top of dash is the closest I got to having a cyberpunk looking car

My problem isn't necessarily with electric, it's that they want every car from now on to be electric, and more importantly, that they want every car made from now on to have features that would allow police to shut them off.

What next? Speed limiters based on geographic location? Automatic tolling based on roads you take? Mandatory always on dash cams that face both ways? Breathalyzers or CAPTCHAS before you start your car? Subscription services for heated seats? Ads and or Unskippable ads directly on your rinky dink fuckin bluetooth radio?

Legally the car is almost recognized as a house. The police can't search it without your consent or a warrant. And little by little we're letting it become more and more judaified.

>>720520821
>speed limiters
Man the Mafia games were pretty great for that
>automatic tolling
Already exists
>dash cams
Surprised those aren't standard by now

i like cars,i have one althought it's engine is a small it is enough to take me where i want to go,unfortunately the roads where i live are not that good ):

>>720456989 (OP)
Makes sense. In the future it should be possible to convert solar energy into a liquid fuel form with better energy density than batteries

>>720521069
Europe already has the technology for Geographically based speed capping. No idea how common it is but they have it.

Automatic tolling does exist, but I see them expanding it. And they're excuse will be that it'll go toward maintaining the roads.

Dash cams are a great idea, but they'll eventually be mandatory, and you probably won't even be able to access your own footage without some kind of special permission, and or it'll be used to spy on you, listen for slurs, target ads toward you, the usual.

My point is that the foot is in the door and that foot belongs to judeo-negrified bullshit.

>>720518928
Burning anything will reduce air quality

>>720521743
Meant for >>720518786

>>720477620
Nope theyre actually not as annoying, they are significantly less annoying. Tired of this false equivalence. Some retard making something political or just generally spouting inane bullshit is not as annoying as people cutting their dicks off and grooming children and spreading physical and mental disease, nice try though. I noticed you casually tried to sneak that in and led up to it.
>ever notice how people complain about things?
>isnt complaining annoying and obnoxious?
>you know what else is obnoxious? TRANNIES
>so uhh like uhh those complainers are as bad as trannies!!
this is literally kindergartener logic. Fuck off.

>>720513075
I'm saying that people who buy new cars don't care if the car lasts a long time. They trade them in for new ones every few years.

>>720506123
It's literally safe horny for politics. Anything to do with conservation or the environment is a safe conservative position that people can go hard right on knowing they won't offend left wing sensibilities too much.

>>720484792
Another dalit, Jesus

PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY

>>720464279
Japan already did that but they got stonewalled. They want everyone to never drive and use public transport.

>>720491734
Wait until those BYD (Buy Your Death) begin failing en masse

Vid related
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IInTanHjnK0

>>720487054
Bro nobody feels anything about watching some guy pull snapped in plastic pieces off an ugly Volkswagen.

>take public transportation and get stabbed
>take electric car and get burned alive
>take bike and get crushed by a car
>take hydrogen car and never find a fueling station
>take fossil fuel car and get to work on time
I think i'll just stay at home and let my mental health degrade.

>>720522523
In order for that whole scheme to work the car needs to retain value. Which EVs do not because the batteries degrade, and the ones exposed to the elements degrade even faster.

>>720456989 (OP)
In the setting fuel has become a renewable resource through genetically engineered corn. The megacorps not giving a shit about pollution is just in character for them, especially Arasaka whose leader literally hates America and wants to maximize the suffering of americans due to WW2.
Also I agree, having EVs would be pretty cool for Cyberpunk.

>>720457173
To be fair though, silent EV is pretty dangerous.
Having 1 ton of mass of steel moving at high speed constantly announcing its approach with loud noise is better than a silent mass of steel suddenly hitting you from behind while you just minding your own business on the sidewalk.
I read somewhere that a lot of EV manufacturer deliberately make their car emit artificial engine noise to avoid such case.

>>720528237
It's true, and even the fake noise is really quiet. As a regular pedestrian, I call it the EV jump scare.

>>720456989 (OP)
Based, electric cars are for fags

>>720485073
This guy doesn't have an F1 car as his daily driver. what are you, poor?

>>720456989 (OP)
they figured out in the future, you shouldn't drive cars that randomly explode and crash.

>>720485587
you're not wrong, but the car you posted sounds like an asthmatic just ran a marathon and is concurrently shitting itself to death.

>>720457714
>EVs are a retarded concept and the fad
An electric motor is better in every single metric compared to an ICE.

>>720457714
Not really considering we literally won't have the fuel for gas powered vehicles in 100-200 years realistically, though hopefully by that point we will actually be in Space

bump

>>720532565
ICE shitcans and hybrids are much more prone to random fires per capita. But oiljews brainwashed you with man bites dog type reporting.

>>720532570
faggot

>>720532570
at least it's not a trumpet like 370z

>>720527092
>The megacorps not giving a shit about pollution is just in character for them
Yeah but they kinda do though. The eco fuel is responsible why Night City looks like a bright and sunny GTAV.

>>720512681
Everything is cheap plastic. Even the things that shouldn't be, in what's supposed to be a luxury brand https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=la_6s1XnFr8

>>720526585
It's little more than a volkswagen, glad we agree. Why doesn't it cost like a volkswagen though?

>>720516814
It's akin to saying horses are current tech. Except even dumber since horses are still being produced while these old batteries aren't and they were never produced in high numbers to begin with.
Also what little of them there are out there are getting rapidly replaced.

It's simply a dishonest tactic senpai. Your FUD is outdated.

>>720456989 (OP)
can they fucking stop updating their game it kills mods.