Thread 720516342

>Halo was going to be a Power Mac G3 with Rage 128 exclusive. Steve Jobs introduced the game at MacWorld 1999
>Bungie sold themselves, and Halo, as separate purchases in 2000
>Max Hoberman established Xbox Live, SBMM, 1-50 ranking system, online multiplayer on consoles, online Halo state tracking on Bungie.net
>After Halo 2, Bungie now want to leave Microsoft, works up a deal where they fill 3 obligations
>Bucket 1: Halo 3
>Bucket 2: Halo Chronicles
>Bucket 3: Halo 4
>Halo Movie is scrapped, ODST is compensated (8 month development)
>Halo 4 is scrapped, Lee Wilson wants to make Reach after reading Nylund's novels
>Bungie officially leaves in 2011
>MS creates 343 to create Halo content
>343 outsource Halo Anniversary to Saber, Saber got the contract to develop Halo Anniversary because its CEO 'offered to do it for free' lol
>343 gave Halo PC's Gearbox code base, and not Halo XBox's code base, to Saber
>343 doesn't know how to use Bungie's Halo engine, only the original Bungie devs knew, Marty told 343 that nobody at Bungie would help them lol
>Frank O'Connor retcons Joe Staten's lore and mythos (Humans = Forerunners)
>Halo 4 despised by fans before release
>Xbox no longer has Halo carrying the brand
>Xbox One announcement is a complete flop and permanently damaged the brand
>Halo MCC was marketed as a love letter for the fans, but completely busted on release
>H1 MCC and H2 MCC based on Gearbox PC port codebase and not the original Xbox codebase
>Halo 5 releases, and if Halo 4 didn't kill the franchise, Halo 5 buried it
>Tom French managed to salvage Halo 5's multiplayer, H5 never got a W11 port
>Halo MCC ported to Windows 10, 343 hires Halo MODDER Sean Cooper (kornman00) to fix the broken port from Jan 2018 - Dec 2023
>Infinite and Series X marketed as a Halo reboot and return to Xbox's origins
>Infinite is delayed, released, promised a 10 year plan and is a complete flop
>343 renamed to Halo Studios and is remaking CE in UE5

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Halo ended at Reach the rest is a bad dream

>>720518150
This.
343 Dsetroyed the brand, though I wonder if
>343 doesn't know how to use Bungie's Halo engine, only the original Bungie devs knew, Marty told 343 that nobody at Bungie would help them lol
that was what made 343 hate Bungie and Bungie devs and refuse to hire them. That might have soured them on it and destroyed the whole brand.
Sucks because Halo was so pivotal and essential to Microsoft, but it's a garbage franchise now.

>MCC broke on launch
>only port it to PC years later because the russian Halo multiplayer game leaked and modders were making a competent Halo product on PC.
>gets to PC one game at a time over the years
>they all release individually on PC STILL broken
>to this day many bugs persist in the game
>to this day cucks still defend the state of MCC and Infinite
>MCC is a minimum viable product it is not the love letter promised to fans even after all these years.

Tiresome. I'd take static recompile over MCC if it got the Sonic Unleashed treatment.

>>720516342 (OP)
Why are you trying to get me to give a shit about Bungie when they went behind Apple's back and sold themselves to the type of company they hate, Microsoft. Aided Microsoft in destroying the shooter genre, console, and PC gaming for many years, hired an ex-Microsoft employee to destroy them, destroyed the Marathon IP, and started the live-service push. Fuck you and your gay ass series. Glad it died, hope when Halo Studios remakes Halo CE, given that black chick got fired, I hope they heavily take from the better FPS games built off of Doom, Quake, Perfect Dark, Turok, and Half-Life, instead repeating Bungie's mistakes. Fuck them and fuck you, shill.

>>720520335
MCC was a love letter to Bungie's Halo games that was broken for 5 years until Halo modder Sean Cooper (kornman/kornman00) was hired to fix it.

Reminder to thank Sean Cooper (kornman00) for fixing Custom Edition and MCC after 343 abandoned it

MCC was outsourced and MS hired Halo modders to fix it.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1gpklokblI006QYtGlxUeds747lPZD_JSph56qLJqzhw

>Five Long Years. That is how long ago I started at 343 Industries, working within the very small Publishing arm of the organization.

>Over those five years, I have of course worked on Halo: The Master Chief Collection. Starting with the initial 2018/4K “let’s try that again” update, then adding Reach, then porting the games to PC, then releasing each game’s development tools, and most recently adding “plug-n-play”/Steam Workshop mod support. Plus, many other things under the hood.

>Using some simple search filtering of those results, I can roughly break down how many commits related to which things (although not exhaustive)

150 commits — Halo Wars 2.
654 commits — Halo 1
572 commits — Halo 2
586 commits — Halo 3
469 commits — ODST
435 commits — Reach
372 commits — H4
241 commits — H2A MP
783 commits — MCC Frontend
57 commits — MCC dedicated server driver
152 commits — a fork of H1 built on the original Xbox code/content, then HaloPC, then Custom Edition, then various noodling, some of which eventually was added to MCC’s H1 code.

https://medium.com/@KornnerStudios/5-years-a9faa0e3227

Halo is a cursed franchise and I hate myself for being a fan of it in spite of all the bullshit.

>>720520392
>destroying the shooter genre
point and click games can't be destroyed

>>720516342 (OP)
you don't hate 343 enough

Do you think the Halo movie would've been good? The mess of Halo 3's writing could've been forgiven if the movie was great.

>>720521275
>movie
Who gives a shit
>writing
No one plays video games, especially FPS video games for the writing

Some interesting facts about the development of Halo Wars:

The Halo Wars demo, which looks completely different from the final version, was the original vision for the game but the heads at Ensemble Studios hated the idea of creating another RTS, so they left the small team that originally pitched the idea to Microsoft (and miraculously got green light) to develop the game and allocated most of the budget and staff that was supposed to be dedicated to Halo Wars to creating a MOBA, as the directors at Ensemble Studios believed such games were the future.

Microsoft later showed up at Ensemble headquarters expecting to see progress on Halo Wars, but instead found a disappointing MOBA.

The executives canceled the MOBA without even hearing Ensemble Studios' proposal and forced the studio to work on Halo Wars or face legal actions.

Unfortunately, after severe crunch, the original Halo Wars team grew tired of all the pressure and decided to leave the project to the rest of Ensemble. They decided to scrap everything from the original vision and start from zero.

Ensemble's founder Tony Goodman, Bungie felt Microsoft's decision to let Ensemble work on a Halo game was "the whoring out of our franchise."

Halo Wars then was finish in a few months instead of the 2 development years that Microsoft paid.

That's why they look different; they're two completely different games.

>>720521565
Nigger, one of the things that people will instantly point to for why 343's games are bad is the writing. The gameplay isn't good either, but that's what gets the instant kneejerk reaction.

>after reading Nylund's novels
Wut. Did no one in Bungie read their own lore before then?

>>720521621
I'm kinda glad that Microsoft did that, I am burned out on MOBAs and with what remains of it (The hero units), I don't think there would've been enough material for it.
Meanwhile, babby's first RTS is pretty decent.

>>720521621
What demo are you talking about? The demo of Halo Wars was the skirmish snow map that was the same as the final game.

>>720521648
Gameplay should be the first thing that comes to mind when you shit on a game. Doesn't matter if the writing is good or shit, if the gameplay is shit, the game is shit, in general. 343's problem started the moment Master Chief started opening his mouth during the gameplay of Halo 4. The moment that happened, the game was complete shit not worth completely. Bungie made the mess, 343 dug it deeper

>>720520902
It's like this everywhere, the people working in these studios are doing the bare minimum to collect so they can go home and overeat while watching netflix. This loop is their god, Extraction.

>>720521775
Source

The Marty O’Donnell Show – Ep. 15: Lee Wilson on Storytelling, Sacrifice, & Secrets Behind Halo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8kQl17MWmWE

>>720521775
>Wut. Did no one in Bungie read their own lore before then?

Joe Staten wrote Halo 1/2 and Nylund wrote the prequel novel. Staten also supervised Halo 3, Wars and some of the Bungie-era novels.

>oooh the terminals say that humans and forerunners are different!
>Doesn't really say that, still pretty ambiguous
>Also written by the guy who would eventually lead 343 in Halo 4.
I hate that this is the silver bullet to suck off 343 lore when every other part of the trilogy outright states HUMAN ARE FORERUNNER. The other part that ticks me off is when people state "Humans being the precursor race is cliche"... is it? I'm sure there are a lot of fantasy settings being cute with that, but I can't think of too many purely sci-fi settings like that.

>>720521775
>reading a fucking book
If I felt like doing that, I would read a book not related to an FPS video game series. Video games should focus on what they're made for, gameplay, not story. If you get into video games reading novels, maybe you shouldn't be playing video games, ever think about that, bub?