Thread 720581565

Why does everyone pretend these types of games are RPGs when they're not?

>>720581565 (OP)
RPG means nothing nowadays.

>>720582712
If this image didn’t have that signature I would’ve assumed it was some sort of AI slop (unless it still is)

>>720581565 (OP)
>It has an inventory with items that have static stat number increases
Sounds like an RPG to me.
Name a game that is NOT an RPG that has this

>>720581565 (OP)
I dunno, Anon. You're very clearly playing the role of some obviously male "they/them" freak in Undertale.

Technically you can play different roles in UT

>>720584362
THIS is AI slop.

>>720585419
I don't know why but I feel nothing when I see AI slop even when I can't tell that it's AI slop.

>>720585775
your eyes might not be able to tell but your soul still can

>>720584532
Castlevania SOTN

>>720581565 (OP)
Because you role play in them. Definitionally making them RPGs.

>>720586272
Also, my dick.

>>720586807
your dick is connected to your soul

>>720584673
Frisk is a girl, though? You are thinking of Deltarune.

>>720587120
Frisk is a boy, why would he flirt with Toriel otherwise?

>>720587315
Toby is a yurifag

>>720587315
For the same reason she flirts with Papyrus. She's BI.

>>720581565 (OP)
>stats matter in combat and increase as you level up
>choice matters and can change the flow of the story, moreso than in most RPGs actually
sounds like an RPG

>>720587354
Then how come you can cuck a dyke or rape her straight?

>>720587437
Only men care about milfs though.

>>720587315
Frisk is a boy.
Chara is a girl.
Simple as.

>>720587497
>Only men care about milfs though.
Alphys in canon finds Toriel attractive. And she's a girl.

>>720587571
You ship Charisk while self-inserting as Frisk.

>>720587756
Nope, chara asriel if anything.

>>720587497
toby is also an ntrfag

>>720587668
Alphys was originally supposed to be a man, plus she's a special case, she drools literally over everyone. I'd call her pansexual, because she most definitely masturbated with a pan.

tony fox here to announce chara is no longer canon in any way, shape or form
the update removing chara from undertale will roll out tomorrow, sorry

>>720587948
Huh. Most of the time boy Frisk x girl Chara are Chara waifufags that just use Frisk as a self-insert fuel. Even though I follow girl Frisk supremacy, you aren't half bad yourself.

>>720588294
desu toby should have done that and free us from the curse he inflicted upon the world
hopefully he won't repeat this mistake with DR

>>720588162
So is Frisk. She flirts with freaking moldsmall for crying out-loud. She is as freaky as Alphys.

i wonder what will happen if i post the word avatar

>>720588294
God I hope so

>>720588294
Based. Based. Based. Based.

return to form when? I need more of these 2 idiots

>>720590360
dont think this is a regular yellow thread bro.

>>720590510
it is now

>>720581565 (OP)
Because modern language has devolved into a complete lack of meaning. No one tries to learn the meaning of words, only the context they're used, leading to a misunderstanding of the meaning. This mixed with the internet creates an abhorrent abomination of language as anything can mean anything, people try to redefine words to make themselves right, and genuine discussion is dead.
UT being called an RPG is an example, because people saw games called RPG have choices, and you can choose to save or kill people in UT, therefore it must be an RPG!

>>720590782
That's how language has always been, anon. The idea that language has definite rules and meanings which are correct was a delusion invented by 19th century scholars, trying pointlessly to make sense of the inherently nonsensical nature of human language.

>>720590782
for me it has stats, items, equipment and turn based battles, that's a RPG (or at least a JRPG)

>>720590678
Post your Steamworks IDs
When the Mario Paint minigame came up I knew what I needed to do.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e0VUprkc1n0

>>720591957
is that the same one from the Joel Mario Paint stream?

Speaking of which, I'm still hoping Joel makes good on his word and plays UTY.

>>720588294
Sebastian Wolf here to recant on what Robert said here. Chara is now officially the only Undertale character in existence. I will also be flagging any work without Chara for copyright.

>>720592071
I don't know if Joel ever did that one in particular, I just pulled a random Bob Ross episode and got to work.
I don't recall Joel saying he'd play UTY but if he does I hope he understands the assignment if he checks out the neutral route.

>>720591140
Fuck you.
My problem isn't that language naturally changes over time anon, it's the fact that while yes, words can change, they still have to have a definition behind them, not a vibe. And while to some degree the definition behind words will change, it has generally been at a slow enough pace that people can still be understood by everyone who uses the language. That's why it's important for people to understand the definition, so that people can understand each other.
>>720591669
Behold, a JRPG!

>>720581565 (OP)
Because "RPG" doesn't have the same kind of incessant obnoxious wannabe hardcore faggots who screech whenever someone calls a game a roguelike instead of a roguelite.
Start being really fucking annoying, enter every discussion with 'ackshually it only has RPG Elements' and other shit.

>>720592401
xcom is a RPG, just not a JRPG (it usually has no fixed story and gameplay comes first, while JRPGs tend to focus more on story over gameplay)

>>720592401
>they still have to have a definition behind them
Who decided that? Definitions are a post hoc clarification added on to words after the fact. The vibes came first. All that words need to exist are a shared idea or feeling between two people and the need to label that thing. A clear definition of that label is entirely optional and comes second to how people actually use it.
> it has generally been at a slow enough pace that people can still be understood by everyone who uses the language
This has never been true, and a couple hundred years ago it wasn't even close to true. It was perfectly normal for a person from one town to ask for a plate of eggs, and for the person serving him to be absolutely baffled why he was asking for a plate of eyes despite both of them speaking the same language, and its always been the case that old people have trouble understanding young people's slang.

You mistakenly believe that the world exists as a clearly defined set of systems with hard rules, when its really a mess of whatever works and random bullshit that has been forced in to broad and vague classifications by us for the sake of making things easier to manage.

>>720592401
I've always considered tactics games (at least the Xcom variety) to be an evolution of CRPGS.

>>720592330
I'm pretty sure he did use that one on his stream. Also he said he was considering playing UTY in his chapter 4 stream, and said he would play it in his Bergentruck and Lightners Live streams.

I have missed these threads for a few months.
Has there been any new Return to Form? Has Sig made any new art? Where DID that kid go?

>>720593468
You're referring to dialect, which are still developed through long periods of time. And while yes, dialects can develop into the point of those languages being different, that's a can of worms that's not worth getting into because of the inability to divide between dialects and languages.
And again, you fucking faggot, I'm not saying 'oh, these things need to have this definition and never change', I'm making a point that the rapid evolution of language due to people using the wrong word in a context that their meaning is still able to be inferred is creating a situation where people are incapable of communicating. Lacking a definition turns words into literal meaningless garbage because they could mean literally anything. It removes the point of words entirely, leaving only understanding through context clues.

>>720594198
>Has there been any new Return to Form?
Maybe a chapter or 2, updates have slowed down
>Has Sig made any new art?
Some pieces, mostly deltarune related but there were a few UTY ones
>Where DID that kid go?
If you mean the comic, chapter 10 has kinda killed me, I am almost done with it but now I draw maybe a page per week because I am legitimately burned out, but I still lurk in the threads

>>720592325
you're fired seb

>>720594392
Where's my other 20K dollars, Toby? Otherwise I will leak Deltarune again.

>>720594343
>If you mean the comic
Glad you are still here.
I was just making a reference to Undertale Yellow the Musical.
https://youtu.be/7igkrXICjLk?si=k6ijKzJP-R_8rYBE&t=76

>>720594518
you can find them up your ass

>>720594296
>I'm making a point that the rapid evolution of language due to people using the wrong word in a context that their meaning is still able to be inferred is creating a situation where people are incapable of communicating. Lacking a definition turns words into literal meaningless garbage because they could mean literally anything. It removes the point of words entirely, leaving only understanding through context clues.
And I'm saying its always been this way. Maybe its slightly faster now, but its not that much faster than it was before. Its just more noticeable because now all these different groups with their own unique dialects are smashed together in the same space with no way of telling which dialect they should be using based on the person they're talking to, and a severely handicapped in the usage of context clues via the lack of sound or bodily gestures to communicate them.

>>720586553
Its an Action RPG

>>720594343
If you ever give up, just dump all of what you have. We'd still rather have a bunch of uncolored comics with no typesetting than nothing at all.

>>720594706
Yep. Chapter 5 is being leaked. People won't be ready for the ASSWHORE battle music.

>>720592325
Ice Wolf here to remind you that I'm actually a girl(biological) who likes human men. I'm tired of waiting for one to ask me out, so I'm just going to take the next one I see home with me, by force if I have to.

>>720594936
go ahead lil' bitch, do it

>>720587120
Toby's words, not mine.

>>720594343
Of nice, you are still alive

>>720596330
That one deleted tweet? Tweets aren't canon. I wouldn't be surprised nowadays if Toby kneeled to girl Frisk because of how popular it is in nippon.

reminder that ceroba is fat

>>720596481
Flat like a can of coke.

>>720596771
nako is stacked after the 'tegrity infection

>>720596448
wrong bitch, that one specific tweet is now canon
frisk has a 10 incher just like my dear friend motherfucker mike "el loco bandito" matei

>>720596872
Correct

>>720596771
not when I'm done with her

>>720596938
Toby would never say this because he would never get Japanese pussy again if he did.

>>720597278
Does Coke have chocolate milk?

>>720597448
Does this artist have a hand fetish?

>>720597560
I don't know. I don't remember they drawing hands before.

>>720597705
Look at how detailed it is compared to everything else.

>>720597448
the japanese already know and i give japanese pussy my own 10 incher every day

>>720597780
I thought that was just for effect.
>>720597862
All my Japanese fanart disagrees with you, Mr.Toby. I think working on Deltarune for so long is making you crazy.

>>720597936
its their headcanon and they understand it as such, but you don't, now bend over, you're taking my 10 incher next

>>720598034
Whoa! Toby Fox is gay???

>>720598573
i'm a serial rapist, and i don't discriminate, that's what the weird route is all about

>>720597448
>>720597936
>Japanese fanart
>Posts korean comics

>>720598573
He is at least bisexual.

>>720598738
do you think a 0 iq avatarfag knows the difference

>>720598738
I am racist.
>>720598747
Toby's canon? Irrelevant. We live in a fanon world now.

>Namefags
>UT/DR fags
>No Undertale Yellow discussion
This is beyond depressing. Where did the UTY fanbase go?

>>720598951
killed by redditors

>>720598951
they've dispersed, there's nothing left to discuss

>>720598951
The namefags are clearly just shitposting, though.

>>720598951
I'm actually here for other fangames.

On the subject of that. Do you think it would be fitting to skip the intro in my UT fangame and have a cold open?

>>720599246
What would the intro have been?

>>720598951
You can waltz on right over to >>>/trash/ if you really want to talk about furries.

>>720599468
you will never be a somethingawful goon but just like them you will also never be a woman, now go join lowtax

>>720598951
>Where did the UTY fanbase go?
Three of our oldest fangame devs are busy playing silksong

>>720599092
Undertale still gets regular threads, and it’s a game that came out almost 10 years ago.
Hell, Nine Sols still gets semi-regular threads while keeping the same energy.
So what gives? Is there something about Yellow that makes it less interesting than UT?

>>720599246
Some games benefit from a cold open. It depends on how it's written. Does the player get drawn in with more mystery from an intro, or from a mysterious world he's thrust into?

>>720599829
Most Undertale/Deltarune threads have been dead lately, too. Archiving in ten to forty posts. This is one of the most active ones.

>>720599456
A a poetic sounding narration from an unnamed narrator who addresses you directly. They tell you about the humans, the monsters, and the war.

If you want a general vibe, its inspired by the lyrics of the opening of the epic of gilgamesh https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QUcTsFe1PVs Going for that "long ago, when bread was first baked" feeling.

>>720599897
I suspect a lot of people stopped checking /v/ because of constant thread nukes. It's not a good board if most threads that either don't fellate Nintendo, court flamewars/gooning or be an AI art thread are deleted. Why waste time browsing the catalog every day?

>>720599889
I'd say the world, but the intro can be important to introducing the player to the world.

>>720600009
I think you should keep it, then. I really like when people keep Undertale's fairytale vibe. Heck, even Yellow did it with its intro.

>>720600334
The ONE thread that gained traction got deleted, so yeah, I can get that.

>>720600489
I know, but at the same time, I could do a deltarune style cold open that ties into the game's main plot point without giving too much away, then drops the player into an unfamiliar environment with no one around to give you an explanation. Leaving the player to look around and try to figure out what's going on.

>>720600836
Deltarune literally does have an entire intro with Gaster, though.

>>720600931
I'd call that a cold open. Its not an intro explaining things and trying to get you into the mood like Undertale.

>>720601001
Well, it depends if you want the game to be more like Deltarune versus Undertale. Fairy tale versus a young fantasy novel.

>>720600836
>>720600489
I should clarify that I'd still the DR style opening after the Undertale style fairy tale intro.

>>720600931
Undertale plays its intro straight…well, for the most part. The meaning of the intro is subverted only at the very end.
Deltarune's intro is both subversive and out-there. It's extremely mysterious and it leads you to believe that you're controlling a custom character, only to take it away from you. Maybe Deltarune will finally give your custom character back, but for now the has almost nothing to do with the game. It's more of a cold open.

>>720601065
I would say its a lot more immediately fantastic than Deltarune, but its also more somber than Undertale. I wouldn't say its like a YA novel though, I hate YA. If I had to compare it to a novel, it would be like a weird cross between Lord of The Rings and Disc World.

>>720601336
I say keep the intro, then.

>>720601495
>>720601313
I have a subversion planned involving that fairy tale intro that would only come into play at the end of the game, with the ending completely recontextualizing the intro based on which ending you got, but if I cut the intro then I can have the player feel just as lost and confused as the in the in universe player character (since there's an amnesia plot early on), which could really help to set the tone and immerse the player.

>>720601754
How about playing the intro in parts during the game?

>>720602068
No, that wouldn't work. The intro is supposed to frame the whole game as a story being told to you.

>>720602319
Well, then I think making different versions might be the player?

>>720602654
What?

>>720602738
Like, different versions that play at each ending, and each tell a story from a different point of view.

>>720603020
The endings would be different, but they all require that the story start by being told like its a fairy tale.

>>720603118
I think you should do it in the intro, then.

>>720599897
the only reason they die is because they get autosaged or worse. when untouched they still regularly reach bump limit.
>>720598951
my brother visits on saturdays and i refrain from the autism until later.

>>720601754
What if it's like old games where the fairytale is explained in the manual (or webpage, readme, etc) rather than as an in-game intro? That might potentially be the best of both worlds.

>>720604704
honestly might be a nice approach, could be lost on some people but others may feel its "novel" like a return to form

>>720604704
That would be a cheap cop out that most players would miss. Besides, the ending hinges pretty heavily on that established narrator character from the opening. They need to be in the game for that payoff to work.

>>720604704
Toby drops a lot of lore in ARG and websites outside his games, so you might be onto something here. If you're feeling adventurous, you could have the general story in the "manual" and throw in some easter eggs for the player to find.

>>720605671
Maybe I could still throw the setup in the manual, but I would still likely have to cut that ending recontenxtualizing the beginning angle alongside any narrator related stuff.

Stop what you're doing and post Martlet's talons.

>>720605984
>Zartlet, after killing Clover trying to get her giant grippers in the shredded remnants of her boots
Would she wrap them or just go barefoot?

>>720606172
>wrap them
with what? She shredded her pants too. Realistically, her only choice is barefoot.

>>720606553
Footwraps with cloth bandages. I worded it vaguely but I mean long-term, after the fight (and assuming she doesn't turn into goop, which a lot of fanart does assume), what she'll do about those big talons.

>>720605403
I'd normally agree with you, but I think this case is special in that people are way more likely to read the webpage for a fangame. And framing the webpage's narration as an in-game character did work for Doki Doki Literature Club, for example.
But I don't know the full details, and ultimately it's your story to tell. If you think presenting the back story as an in-game intro is vital for the payoff to work, go for it.

I wonder if the pregnancy guy'll be back this thread.

>>720599246
>Do you think it would be fitting to skip the intro in my UT fangame and have a cold open?
which fangame?

>>720607825
I don't want to say which one for fear of spoilers. All you need to know is that the setting is different from regular Undertale's.

>>720608638
Any time someone here says they can't elaborate without revealing who they are I assume it's the Oldentale guy

Do I want to know what game this comes from?

>>720609063
just an undertale fangame.
if you didnt like undertale you probably wouldnt like the fangame.

>>720609063
Undertale Yellow. OP doesn't have the name because of an overzealous janitor who deletes video games he doesn't like on sight. It's good for a fangame and extremely good by the standards of Undertale fangames

>>720581565 (OP)
If it was an rpg it'd be shit. This is just a shmup with padding.

I've had some extra time and a micro-craving for RPG adventures, and so have played Undertale Yellow. Finished neutral and pacifist (killing Ceroba of course), but skimmed through genocide playthrough (due to general disinterest). Please enjoy the following blogpost(s) of a review.
The quick rundown is that it's undeniably a fangame, following the derogatory meaning of "fanfiction", exhibiting all the usual excesses of a work that is so very derived from another's. Not terrible by any measure, but most of my thoughts are not dedicated to the game itself, but to how would I remix and improve it. What is terrible is the implication that Yellow is the best project the whole """fandom""" has to offer, since it garnered a not!general on /v/ee of all places. What a sad state of affairs, guess nothing since Red Riding Hood one-off battle way back when really took off.

AS THE GAME ITSELF
The effort put into the visuals is respectable, but sometimes creeps into the annoying territory. I think the burning rock puzzles early on is the worst it gets with slow panning, but I did get frustrated with a couple of smaller things later on. I don't think I can hum any melody off the top of my head, but I did like plenty of music in the moment. The instant retry and running are nice features, but skip text is notably absent. And speaking of QoL from Deltarune, there are barely any mechanically interesting ACTs. The battles are overall harder to a comfortable degree. The most notable difficulty increase is turn length. Sourced straight from my ass, but some patterns feel way too long. I made liberal use of speedhack for final bosses as a bullet hell shitter, so no comments on the quality of shooting and dashing.

>>720610308
The original story, all the Martlet-Starlo-Ceroba stuff, is mostly dull. I found nothing annoying when it comes to pure prose, but I largely checked out when it came to character side stories. I entirely agreed with my main man Flowey, there ain't no time to waste on those losers. But it was pretty funny to find out the reason behind Toriel snatching the "Worst Mother" trophy away from Ceroba. If anything, Martlet was substantially better as a tragic character, sufferring different fates on all the different routes, probably because that was legit plot and not some TRAGIC BACKSTORY.
I very much like Flowey playing the part of your best friend and technically being more determined among the two. Wish there were more opportunities for banter, playing up how Flowey doesn't expect Clover to remember any prior runs. The fact that the player character is given both a name and a goal, but not a more defined personality is weird. Except being a wimp I suppose, but that feels more like a contrivance so that pacifist route follows into Undertale proper, rather than a deliberate plot point. Another weird thing is the "a literal child fell down into the Underground" angle, which is emphasized by all the OCs, but isn't actually relevant. I think the only time it worked was when Ceroba realized that her fumbling in the Steamworks did nothing and the little kid enabled the power himself. Clover doesn't even wear a striped shirt, what is this shit?

>>720610420
AS A FANGAME
The elephant in the room is that Yellow is committed to the unenviable task of making a prequel to Undertale. "Unenviable", because as another indie goat once put it:
>there's the group of distinctive and original games which inspire artistic respect, which do their own thing within a specific and deliberate range: games like a blurred line, sunset over imdahl, the way 1-6... finished one-offs. they're good games but in a way which discourages direct imitation or continuation: the fact that they're complete, that they've done just what they decided to do, is part of their power, but it also limits their hold on the imagination, and their influence.
Even if that very last part sounds ironically inappropriate for Undertale, I believe it's why fandom is infamous for all the AUs. There can't really be sequels or prequels (no matter what delusional fanboys trying to tie UT and DR together think), it's a very self-contained story, anything spilling out of that containment can only go downhill. The exact timeline of all the fallen children, how or why they gave up, technology levels, state of the surface world, etc. Yellow was not subtle enough to sidestep all those uncertainties, which is a negative imho, but not a dealbreaker.
Yellow also suffers from retreads in way too many places. Nefarious soul experiments, larper who based everything on human media, robots that give EXP somehow, ineffective dork of a character stepping up when shit hits the fan. A family of other boss monsters who are kitsunes with japanese flavor is so hilariously indulgent, I don't even need to elaborate why it's laughable. The implication that a grown woman dresses like a magical girl appeals to my depraved sensibilities, but doesn't salvage that situation. Flowey's role in the story works well as a remix, even if his betrayal is a bit too obvious.

>another totally not a general thread
>>>/vg/

>>720610308
>there are barely any mechanically interesting ACTs
This is one of the most common complaints with UTY battle system, the acts for most bosses do nothing, you just have to wait if you want to go the pacifist route
Undertale acts are also simpler when compared to Deltarune acts but at least in UT the bosses usually had more unique acts like challenging Undyne, paying to Muffet or the stuff you could with Mettaton

>>720610526
FANFICTION FOR A FANGAME
And now for something completely different: fanfiction for a fangame.
I'd say the biggest missed opportunity is copypasting of pacifism and genocide routes, just because it's what Undertale is about. The fans expect it, there isn't much to explore after the original game, and that is precisely why it shouldn't have been a thing. We already know what happens when a mongolian 5 year old is determined to kill/spare everybody, but what about a cowboy in pursuit of justice? What Yellow needed is to take a clue from westerns it's not even trying to ape, and what justice means as a seperate axis. Justice is not about the kind and the cruel, but the innocent and the guilty, and routes focused on that would give Yellow a character beyond "an Undertale fangame".
While I think "missing poster" shtick was not good at all (because it highlights how recently all the kids fell down), the concept that a human child would seek justice among monsters is alright. I think blindly being nice to everybody, just like actively slaughtering everybody should have led the player into a softlock/badend sort of scenario, like Sans tried to be but for real. You've spared one too many begrudging monster, or harmed too many of those who did not deserve it, and so justice is not on your side. The route split shouldn't be about going all in, but different approaches to justice in the context of the Underground. If you feel like killing monsters is a step too far to consider just, then why not treat it like battles in Deltarune? Beat the shit out of monsters and spare them at gunpoint (at low health that is), because some people respect only force. A sharpshooter sheriff can shoot the hat off any outlaw to show what "dead or alive" really means.

>>720610568
So the neutral route would be gunning straight for Asgore, as he is the one ultimately responsible, and playing into Flowey's plan. The wholesome route would involve actively getting into monsters' affairs, much to Flowey's chagrin, like any shonen hero would. The edgy route would be about hunting down those who directly killed other humans, which is another sidetrack for Flowey, but vengeance never meant resting easy. You don't need to go full Death Note, but a fangame NOT focused on constant mercy would certainly be more surprising to the fans.

>tl;dr
It's alright but nothing too impressive.

>>720610748
P.S. oh shit wrong reply

didn't read any of that post

>>720588080
>Making normal UTY discussion into Deltarune cuck fetish shit discussion
>Projecting your fetishes parasocially onto Toby Fox
Destroy all UTDR newgens now. I would rather take slop hmofa Ceroba posters here than any of this

>>720611785
>slop hmofa Ceroba
I actually haven't seen too much of that in these threads, most people here vehemently oppose the idea of Ceroba being with anyone other than Chujin.

>>720599829
Anon, without being biased as a UTY fan, it’s cause UTY just has way less content than UTDR combined. Plus, there’s not much shipping bait in UTY, and most of the wider UTY fanbase that’s left wouldn’t be interested in whatever is normally discussed on 4chan

>>720611785
I'll be sure to wake up the AIslop guy so he knows he's cleared for this thread

>>720581565 (OP)
The worst part about JRPGs is how they confused people as to what an actual RPG is.

>>720611906
Okay, that is true. I just think the hmofa posters are a loud group probably

>>720611990
Every game is a role playing game dipshit, you play a role in every game.

>>720612012
Eh, I'd say it varies.
Personally, I think it'd be nice to have a bit more Ceroba hmofa stuff than we have now.

>>720611785
I don't like NTR, its just painfully obvious that's what tobert is into, since he puts so much of it in his games.

Though I guess if you wanted to make this into an on topic discussion, there's always that one thing we could talk about.

>>720612147
>he puts so much of it in his games.
Explain.

>>720612012
Most of the hmofa stuff is Martlet or Kanako centric.

>>720612147
Begone Redditor

>>720611912
when the threads aren't getting banished we still usually manage to have good weekly threads that hit bump limit with tons of discussion. the weekend silksong came out is the first time we had trouble with that, and it was really just helped along by thread deletion.

>>720581565 (OP)
>ugly nonhuman thing is actually the morally right and sympathetic character
>play as human in a ugly nonhuman society and learn about how morally right and sympathetic they are
I yawned so long I stopped breathing and died
My soul is now leaving the thread

>>720612221
>Anything involving Noelle
>Anything involving Sans
>Anything involving Rouxls

>>720612240
>it was really just helped along by thread deletion.
A shame too, since the threads that got deleted last time actually had some decent discussion and activity before the janny got 'em.

And then I got sent to the shadow realm for three days for the trouble, too.

>>720612221
Anon is probably referring to Asgore-Toriel-Sans when it’s not. It’s just a divorce

Susie is also taking Noelle to the festival in the normal route despite Noelle getting cuck accusations. Neither Krusie nor Suselle will be pure endgame in my opinion

>>720612239
No, I think I'll stay.

honestly while we "meme" about ceroba being retarded, and her versus toriels kid killing count, but I think they do work as a good contrast in character between eachother. Toriels avoidant approach to her issues, ceroba making her own issues worse with the one track mind way she handled things. things got a little (a lot) messy in the story with the original version of ceroba clashing with what she became but overall it feels like they made something that highlights some characters from the original game really well. Martlet on the other hand is fleshed out really well when you take every route together, and personally comes out as my favorite character at the end of all things, but when you just look at the pacifist route it just feels like they tried throwing "discount papyrus" at the wall.

>>720612418
>Anon is probably referring to Asgore-Toriel-Sans when it’s not. It’s just a divorce
Its spiritually NTR, and its mother NTR when Kris is kept up all night by Toriel getting boned.
>Susie is also taking Noelle to the festival in the normal route despite Noelle getting cuck accusations
If Suselle happens, then Kris is being cucked, if Krusie happens then Noelle is being cucked, when (you)elle occured Susie was cucked. If none happen then they're all cucked.

>>720612308
>"Anything involving Noelle"
Kinda? That really only works if you interpret Kris and Susie as being romantically involved, and that may or may not actually pan out.
>"Anything involving Sans"
Only in DR, and even then, that's not NTR if none of the involved parties are cheating on anyone else. That's just typical divorce shit, it happens.
>"Anything involving Rouxls"
Okay, you get that one, but that only really started being a thing in chapter 3, and it seems like that was a mostly one-off thing for his character, so I wouldn't say it applies to *anything* involving him.

>>720612396
yeah, it was honestly just a shitty timing that threw off discussion for a bit, but inbetween the autism we have, and honestly even some of the worst autism we have is tolerable compared to a lot of the site, we were still getting good video game related discussion in.

>>720612571
>mother NTR
Yeah that's not a term, you're just slapping NTR onto random shit at this point and insisting it makes sense when it doesn't.
>If Suselle happens, then Kris is being cucked, if Krusie happens then Noelle is being cucked, when (you)elle occured Susie was cucked. If none happen then they're all cucked.
Okay, I'm starting to get the feeling that this may be a sensitive subject for you, but someone not ending up in a relationship with someone else doesn't mean that person got cucked, it just means they're single.
Especially if literally *none* of the various parties involved end up together, since there literally isn't anyone to do the cucking in the first place.

>>720610526
> the unenviable task of making a prequel to Undertale
>There can't really be sequels or prequels
> it's a very self-contained story
Its a challenge, sure, but I don't think its impossible. You just have to keep in mind what Undertale is about, and make sure your prequel game flows from there. Undertale is a thematic story first, a character story second, and a lore story third. So your game should stem from the themes of Undertale. Have an interesting response to what Undertale had to say? A different take on the same themes? A different set of video game tropes that you think you the setting would lend itself to making a commentary on? Then from there you make your characters to fit that theme and play off each other while capturing that same silliness as Undertale. Finally you write your plot and lore to string all of those things together.

What UTY got wrong in its methodology is that it started with the plot first, then the characters, then last it thought of the themes. That, and the writers refused to go back and rewrite things when they really should have.

>>720612617
>That's just typical divorce shit,
divorce shit is NTR

>>720613056
Ah, you're one of those, I see now.
I'm sorry you had a bad experience, divorce is a shitty thing to have to deal with, but you shouldn't let that develop into an overly generalized view of things like that, there's more nuance to these sorts of things than you might appreciate.

>>720612803
>Yeah that's not a term, you're just slapping NTR onto random shit at this point and insisting it makes sense when it doesn't
Its the same as NTR in spirit. Sans is fucking Toriel, knows Kris hates him doing it, and doubles down specifically to fuck with Kris. Meanwhile Kris has to just sit there and listen to it because she's his mother and she's divorced, so he doesn't have any ground to stand on, even if anyone could tell you what she's doing is horrible.

>the mom NTR schizo is still around
Depressing.

>>720613204
>Ah, you're one of those, I see now.
What's that supposed to mean
>I'm sorry you had a bad experience
Haven't had any experiences with divorce at all. I just find the people who do it to be disgusting in most cases.

The nuance is both parties mutually deciding that they don't want to be married anymore, or one spouse being a threat to the other's life, which is clearly not the case here. Toriel left Asgore because she randomly decided to start hating him for doing nothing wrong, took the house, the kids, and his job, and everyone suffered for it. The only person who benefits from this arrangement is Sans.

>>720613432
You are talking about at least two people. He coined the term and now I'm using it here because it fits.

>>720613243
>Sans is fucking Toriel
Metaphorically maybe.
>knows Kris hates him doing it
Questionable, Sans doesn't really seem to be all there in that scene either, he's likely just as drunk as Toriel is (albeit way better at hiding it), and probably isn't actually focusing on how Kris feels about things.
>doubles down specifically to fuck with Kris.
Also questionable. We see Sans make jokes of that sort of nature towards Kris, but he only really does it once in the first chapter, and largely just makes his normal kind of jokes towards them after that.
>what she's doing is horrible.
How so? I understand if you're arguing that Toriel should try and ease Kris into having Sans as a part of their life like that, but the base concept of Toriel moving on from Asgore and getting with someone new isn't "horrible", it's just a part of life.
If you're talking about her effectively abandoning Kris and Susie by not being where she said she'd be during an emergency, *then* you have a point, but the rest of that other shit is subjective.

>>720613467
>Toriel left Asgore because she randomly decided to start hating him for doing nothing wrong, took the house, the kids, and his job, and everyone suffered for it.
We don't know the full story about what happened between them in the DR universe, but based on Asgore's dialogue in chapter 4, it sounds like he learned about all the weird dark fountain conspiracy shit by himself and didn't really know how to handle it in regards to his normal life and whatever went down with Dess, and *that's* what made Toriel divorce him.
If that's the case, that sucks, and he pretty objectively doesn't deserve what's happened to him, but in the context of the world of DR, knowing that all the stuff about dark worlds and the bunker and whatnot is a fairly well kept secret, you can't really blame Toriel for thinking Asgore went off the deep end if that's all really what happened.
Again, that sucks for Asgore, but it wouldn't be unreasonable from Toriel's perspective.

I feel like complaining about Toriel, Asgore, or Sans in Deltarune is kind of stupid because we don’t know the whole story yet and chapter 5, which is coming out in only a few months, will elaborate on it a lot more.

>>720613892
>few months
you poor innocent fool.
we are getting chapter 5 next october with toby posting "I AM TAKING TOO LONG" and the dog getting rushed by jack.

>>720613892
>in only a few months
It could be 15 months away (more if it gets delayed)

>>720613968
>inb4 it drops tomorrow during the UT anniversary instead

>>720613968
Deltarune chapter 5 will drop at exactly 12:00:01 1/1/26 actually, Tony told me himself.

>>720613968
>>720613989
Current schizo theory is that it’ll come out on national flower day (March 21st)

Do you guys think Martlet has hollow bones, on account of being a bird?

>>720614092
miracle of the universe

>>720612239
/v/ whines about Reddit but they're the ones putting out actual UTY art

>>720614073
Anon, you forgot the timezone.
>>720614120
But why?

>>720614174
redditors make "art" (OC slop spam image 501290)
we make fangames.

>>720614140
indeed

>>720614186
>Anon, you forgot the timezone.
Timezones were invented by clock manufacturers to sell more clocks around the world by making people need to own multiple clocks in order to know what time it is in other "zones".

>>720614262
>we make fangames.
Yes, in the same sense that "we" put a man on the moon.
Also, it only counts if there's an actual finished product to show off, that's why UTY continues to be the topic of discussion, because it's the only one of note to actually be a finished thing.

>>720614186
Because Chapter 5 is gonna be in Flower King. This theory will die if the newsletter drops and he says the game will be in the second half of 2026.

>>720613554
>How so?
For one thing, she shouldn't be getting piss drunk with some random she met at a convenience store a few days ago and spending all night partying with him and (metaphorically) fucking him, while not at all caring about where her son is or how he's doing.

Another thing is she shouldn't be fucking Sans at all. She shouldn't have wrecked a perfectly functional home over something stupid like hating Asgore, especially not if she has kids. She gave up that right when she took the wedding vow. This isn't normal, it isn't right, and its an evil thing to pretend it is. Its a genuine societal problem we have. That aside, she could at least wait until Kris is grown up and left before she starts bringing over ugly bastards to bone.

>but he only really does it once in the first chapter, and largely just makes his normal kind of jokes towards them after that.
That whole Clopen sequence is him actively preventing Kris from going into the store where he knows Toriel is. You could just say that's him messing around, but its very suspicious that he's doing it while there's a person inside the store, its a person he's trying to date, and its her son he's keeping out of the store, the son he knows something is up with on a meta level.

Sans is fucking with Kris on purpose. Why I don't know, but he's targeting Kris for some reason.

>>720613782
There's no way Asgore has done anything to deserve that level of hatred since he isn't in jail and everyone else still loves him. That's same kind of shit she gave him for killing six kids in Undertale, and even then he was still more justified than she was willing to admit.

>but it wouldn't be unreasonable from Toriel's perspective.
No, it would. First of all, she should believe him on the grounds that he's her husband. Second of all, if she does think he's crazy, then she should have tried to help him, not kicked him to the curb. Third, even if he was crazy, he still loved her and Kris, and would never do anything to hurt them, so she had no right to leave.

>>720614426
>newsletter actually says that chapter 5 will come in january

>>720614136
I don't know if Martlet has bones at all. Monsters don't have blood, who says they have any kind of organs. Maybe they're just masses of dust that externally look like animals with flesh.

>>720614490
>For one thing, she shouldn't be getting piss drunk with some random she met at a convenience store a few days ago and spending all night partying with him and (metaphorically) fucking him, while not at all caring about where her son is or how he's doing.
Yeah, I agree with that.
>She shouldn't have wrecked a perfectly functional home over something stupid like hating Asgore
Again, we don't know that's what happened. For more details, see the scene in chapter 4 where Asgore pulls out a fuckin' shadown crystal and monologues to himself about showing everyone something. Also my earlier reply.
It's possible Toriel divorced Asgore because Asgore learned about the dark worlds and whatnot and to everyone else it just looked like he flew off the deep end, and if that's the case, Toriel isn't necessarily at fault there. Sure, that means Asgore's even more of a victim than it looks like, but you can't blame someone for thinking you've gone crazy when you start going off about pocket dimensions and conspiracies and shit.

>>720614174
Also coming up with new takes on the game
Does /v/ agree with pic?

>>720614772
I've been making that argument for months now, it's kinda obvious when you actually think about it.

>>720596481
yeah i made her fat with extra servings of corn
source: i'm part of big corn

>>720614772
well chujin's a half decent father so it makes sense why redditors will try to twist every lore point they can to try and tear him down.

>>720614289
Time is a scam invented by clock companies to keep us addicted to their minute munchers. WAKE UP SHEEPLE!

>>720614490
I’m sorry your step dad molested you
>>720614772
I don’t give a fuck what faggots on reddit are saying

>>720585775
every image youve ever seen was dictated by man.
Charcoal on stone. Oil on canvas. Spray on stencil. pencil and fill on mspaint. Pen on tablet. Man on keyboard. One day perhaps, mind on mind.
You feel what you feel regardless of how or why it was created. Thats your taste, anon.
Try making some art. Youl understand better even if you dont like what you make.

>>720614839
It wasn't enough you dominate the American farming sector, you have to control indie fan games as well?

>>720614373
>Yes, in the same sense that "we" put a man on the moon.
He could be one of the fangame devs, you know. Somewhere like a quarter of these threads are devanons. I would know, I'm one of them.

>>720614767
>Toriel isn't necessarily at fault there
No, she is. First of all, you should trust your husband more than anyone else in the world. If he says there's a fantasy world in the school closet and he means it, you should believe him. Second, if you do think he's crazy, you shouldn't divorce him and dedicate yourself to hating him and shit talking him, you should get him help.

Toriel was completely and utterly in the wrong.

She should be more like Roba. Her husband actually was crazy, and she still remained loyal. She even did shit more insane than him, after he died, out of loyalty. Perfect wife material. She does need some coaching on how to be a better parent though.

>>720614679
>she should believe him on the grounds that he's her husband.
Okay, I think you might be confusing the role of being someone's spouse for the role of being a concubine. Toriel wasn't obligated to blindly believe anything Asgore said to her simply because they were married, and that applies to real marriages too. Just because you're married to someone doesn't mean you have to hear them out when they start talking about the earth being flat or some shit.
>if she does think he's crazy, then she should have tried to help him, not kicked him to the curb
Yeah, maybe, but that kinda depends on how far Asgore really went with it while they were still together. I doubt things went straight from [happy marriage] to [divorce] in a single incident, especially with what we see in chapter 3. Asgore's fixation on the dark worlds could've easily torn things apart over the course of several years, and not just a few months or so.
>even if he was crazy, he still loved her and Kris, and would never do anything to hurt them, so she had no right to leave.
Maybe, maybe not. From the perspective of a normal person, if your spouse suddenly went off the deep end about pocket dimensions and a secret conspiracy involving the ancient prophecy your world's religion is centered around, I don't think it's necessarily unreasonable to worry that they might be willing to hurt people they previously cared about, intentionally or not.
Asgore's a victim, I agree, and this is a shitty situation for pretty much everyone involved, but until we have more details on what actually happened, it's not fair to just paint Toriel as some kind of scheming villain and Asgore as a pure innocent soul who did no wrong.

>>720614990
Could be, sure, but I doubt the ratio of devanons to normal anons is so skewed in favor of devs.
Also, I don't see you arguing my second point, so really it's more like having put Sputnik in orbit. Neat, but not too much of an accomplishment by itself if you don't do anything after that.
So, we'll just have to see how things pan out.

>>720614772
Chujin's theories were proven correct in the genocide ending. Martlet, his prime candidate for vaxxing, became a boss monster when injected with a human soul serum. Sure it wasn't his serum, but it was a serum made from human soul extract.

I think he was right about everything except methodology, and my own personal theory is that he was trying to use his body as a DT extractor, but vastly over estimated his own durability and power.

He does have a savior complex though.

>>720614935
yeah
what are you gonna do about it

>>720615205
a spouse should have the courage to stop their husband/wife from committing terrible wrongs. Ceroba ideally should have tried dragging chujin back to sanity but, easier said than done, especially when he's keeping so much of it secret.

>>720615450
>Chujin's theories were proven correct in the genocide ending. Martlet, his prime candidate for vaxxing, became a boss monster when injected with a human soul serum.
Wrong, Chujin's theory is still wrong. Martlet didn't turn into a boss monster when she injected herself with the DT syringe, she just gave herself an artificial version of the DT boost that Undyne gets in the UT genocide route. She didn't become a boss monster, she just got stronger.
And that's ignoring the fact that it still wasn't enough to actually defeat a human, which means that Chujin's idea was wrong on multiple fronts.

>>720610584
Good review anon, pretty much hit the nail on the head, especially re: justice as a plot point. I was really hoping Yellow would play the whole "oh shit I'm being attacked with lethal force by monsters with deadly intent" thing seriously in contrast with Undertale, but nope, just more spareslop.
Leaning on Flowey was also kind of cheap in my opinion, I already didn't like the meta stuff in Undertale but at least it was relatively subtle until the finale, where it then made a modicum of sense - I like it even less in Yellow.
Yellow also kind of suffers from just throwing new characters at you with no buildup - but treating them as if they're returning characters, if that makes sense. My immediate response to most new characters is Yellow was "who the fuck is this dweeb" followed by "why should I care?". This applies for bosses as well. Axis and Ceroba are basically the only exceptions.
I haven't done genocide yet but I expect just killing everyone will actually make for a better story, ironically. Sure hope it doesn't get kneecapped by meta shit like Undertale's genocide route did.

i ignore any posts made by redditors or toriel defenders (usually one and the same)

>>720615224
>Just because you're married to someone doesn't mean you have to hear them out when they start talking about the earth being flat or some shit.
Yes it does. Marriage implies a level of trust and loyalty strong enough that you would rather die than part with this person, and take a vow before God that you will in fact die before parting with them. That means you should trust them, since you've mutually sworn your lives to each other.

Don't think I'm saying the woman should be a slave to the man either. This cuts both ways. If Toriel comes to Asgore and says that there's a demon possessing Kris and forcing him to do things he doesn't want to do, then he should believe her.

A concubine by contrast is basically just a whore on retainer. She doesn't owe you shit except sex because that's what you pay her for. And you don't owe her anything more than a house and a paycheck.

Marriages are first and foremost about trust. Trust so strong that you would stake your life on it. Asgore trusted Toriel and came to her for help, and Toriel responded by sticking a knife in his back. That is evil.

There's nothing short of severe character assassination of Asgore the game could do to make Toriel in the right here.

>>720581565 (OP)
>Role-Playing Game
>the game has you play the role of a character
>thats literally every game ever
RPG never meant anything from the start.

>>720615551
I'd pin that more on stupidity than a fault of character. She was too naive to realize that Chujin can be wrong or that what he was doing was a bad idea.

Still leagues better than Toriel, who sees Asgore doing something she knows is wrong, then leaves and lets him do it completely unopposed for a few centuries.

>>720615914
>Marriage implies a level of trust and loyalty strong enough that you would rather die than part with this person, and take a vow before God that you will in fact die before parting with them.
First of all, the UTDR world's religion doesn't actually have a central deific figure other than the Angel, and that thing's not really a traditional god figure so much as it is some kind of religious G-man.
That aside, while I agree that a relationship such as a marriage should be built primarily on trust and love, that really only extends so far before it starts to hurt both the people directly involved in the relationship, and the people and world around them.
I don't care how much you love your partner, if they start going "alright wife, now hit the second tower", you probably shouldn't be blindly going along with whatever they say and do.
Given that the dark fountains are said to literally cover the earth in eternal darkness when there are enough of them active, I don't think it's unreasonable to not want to go any further down that rabbit hole than necessary, unless you really like the Lord of Hollows ending to DS3.

>>720616065
dunno why retarded nominalists latched onto rpgs specifically, when almost every genre is just as non-descript in its name
at least with rpgs you can trace their lineage from wargames to dungeon crawlers to divergent jrpgs and crpgs, go explain why shooters and action and fighting games are all technically different

>>720615614
She gained the power of a boss a monster, which is for Chujin's purposes, a boss monster. He didn't care about soul longevity, he just wanted an army of super strong monsters.

>And that's ignoring the fact that it still wasn't enough to actually defeat a human
Had Clover not had jaundice superpowers nor suddenly gained save load powers then she would have won. Additionally, she mogs the shit out of Axis, which also successfully killed a human. So she's more than capable of killing humans, just not that specific one. The idea is to create an army of them, so for hard cases like Clover, you would just send more than one.

>>720616230
>Still leagues better than Toriel, who sees Asgore doing something she knows is wrong, then leaves and lets him do it completely unopposed for a few centuries.
Okay, I love Ceroba more than anything, and I tend to defend her as much as I can around these parts, but when you put it like this, is what she did really *that* much better?
To be clear, we're comparing what Toriel did, being disgusted by Asgore's plan and leaving but not actually opposing the plan in any meaningful sense, to what Ceroba did, going all in on Chujin's plan to the utter detriment of her surviving family member, her friends, herself, and an innocent child who just so happened to stumble along.
Motivations aside, when you compare their actual actions, what's worse, stepping out of the way and letting someone else do something bad, or doubling down and doing the bad thing yourself even when it's already caused so much suffering already?

>>720615351
I'd consider DRY1 to be a big achievement, and Naranja is nothing to scoff at either.

>>720614840
That and he get in the way of their ships...

>>720615737
Honest this is the best way to go else you went up auguring for hours or more lily banned.

Also I just had a funny idea where Toriel is some monster equivalent of a white library woman that think human are an inferior race, but try to hide it. Also her reaction to Clover dating Kanako/swing girl would be hilarious.

>>720616236
>I don't care how much you love your partner, if they start going "alright wife, now hit the second tower", you probably shouldn't be blindly going along with whatever they say and do.
You don't have to blindly go along with what they say and do, you just have to hear them out and trust them. If she heard him out, and honestly listened to everything he had to say and show her, and still didn't believe him, then she should've tried to get him help.

>>720616236
(nta) Marriage is a religious concept in nature. Its existence in Deltarune implies there is at least one faith espousing marriage, which Toriel and/or Asgore nominally practice. It doesn't really matter if the deity they were married before actually exists or not.
>I don't care how much you love your partner, if they start going "alright wife, now hit the second tower", you probably shouldn't be blindly going along with whatever they say and do.
We're talking about mutual respect and co-operation here, not obedience. The reason married couples are called "partners" is because that's what you're supposed to be. Toriel doesn't have to take Asgore at face value and follow along with everything he says (or vice-versa) but she does have an obligation to hear him out in good faith. If something's too much to believe... ask for proof. Investigate together, as a team.

As partners.

>>720616396
>She gained the power of a boss monster
Like fucking hell she did, she's still a complete pushover compared to Asgore.
And keep in mind, we only ever fight Asgore in UT when he doesn't wanna fight us, which we know in-universe causes a person's stats to lower.
That means that Zenith Martlet trying her hardest to kill Clover doesn't even measure up to half of Asgore's strength when he actively doesn't want to fight Frisk.
Yeah, I don't think she gained the power of a boss monster here.

>>720616454
Intentions matter. Ceroba at least believed she was doing the right thing. She genuinely thought nothing would go wrong with what she did. And what she did, she did out of loyalty.

What Toriel did was out of ego and malice. She knew it was wrong to leave and let Asgore do as he wished, but she did anyways because she didn't want to stop it or be a party to it. Then she continued to sit there and let it happen while 6 children died.

Even from a utilitarian perspective like you're arguing. Toriel killed 6, Ceroba only killed 2.

>>720616801
Undertale's stats and UTY's stats are not directly comparable since they're counted differently. Undertale's stats aren't even comparable with other Undertale stats because Toby put no serious thought into them at all.

>>720616801
not that anon, but the stats in base undertale are purposefully inflated because anime and arent representative of their actual in battle stats unlike UTY
according to the wiki, asgore's actual attack is 10 and his defense is -30, we don't know his real 'actually trying to fight' stats but for all intents and purposes zenith martlet is statwise more powerful than even undying undyne outside of hp

>>720616513
Why would Toriel have any kind of reaction to what Clover does with a monster she's never even met? How does she know about any of this?

>>720616740
>If she heard him out, and honestly listened to everything he had to say and show her, and still didn't believe him, then she should've tried to get him help.
And what exactly says she didn't? Unless I'm forgetting some line of dialogue where Toriel says she instantly threw Asgore out of the house the second he started acting strange, there's nothing saying that she didn't at some point try and actually help Asgore or try and see things his way before deciding to end things with him.
We know the aftermath of what happened, but we still don't know what actually happened by itself, which is my primary argument. It's not fair to cast any particular judgement of Toriel or Asgore until we know the full story.

>>720616916
Did she really? As I understood it, she went to the Ruins and sealed herself in so that she could intercept any Fallen that came to the Underground and keep them away from Asgore. But actually putting her foot down and completely barring them from leaving by force was beyond her personal moral boundaries. Fighting Asgore was likewise a bridge too far for her since she still loved him on some level.
I would say she is spineless and cowardly, not malicious, and certainly not murderous.

ROBASLOP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>>720617145
When did I say she had the right to end things with him over that? She should stay with him and try to get him help, or otherwise convince him to stop chasing these dark worlds forever if necessary. Its till death do us part, so she isn't off the hook until she's dead.

>It's not fair to cast any particular judgement of Toriel or Asgore until we know the full story.
And my primary argument is that nothing short of brutal character assassination of Asgore could justify that, and if it is that, then Toby is a hack and none of this matters at anyway.

>>720617295
Asgore crumbled when she hit him once and told him to quit. The fact that it took her so long shows a profound lack of will to do anything.

Ceroba wasn't really murderous until Clover, and even then no more than any of the other monsters. They were at war with the humans, and everyone would be benefit from Clover's death, so it barely counts as murder. And even then, she's clearly very far along into a mental breakdown, which would further impair her already poor judgement.

>>720617027
>>720617045
Alright, maybe the direct number stats aren't the most reliable thing to go off of, but you know what we *can* use?
In-game feats.
Asgore outright breaks the MERCY button at the start of his fight, and you only get it back once the fight is over. Compare that with Zenith Martlet, who can merely temporarily block Clover's FIGHT command, but can't actually disable it for the duration of the fight.
If Asgore meant business, there's nothing saying he couldn't have just broken Frisk's FIGHT button instead and promptly skewered them, Asgore could've easily made that fight unwinnable if he really wanted to, he just chose not to.
We also know that Asgore potentially has some knowledge of resets and saving/loading, with him nodding in acknowledgement if you use the ACT command to say that he's already killed you before.
In comparison, Zenith Martlet showcases no knowledge of time manipulation in any capacity, despite supposedly having enough determination in her to become the "zenith of monsterkind", she doesn't even get that sense of deja vu we see other characters exhibit when time gets sent back a bit.
Numbers aside, Zenith Martlet just isn't that powerful even when compared to a boss monster that actively doesn't want to fight at all.
Also, that stats excuse is bullshit because the actual numbers in the game's code are just there to make the game work a certain way, the numbers you see in-game are still what's canon.
For example, yes, Mettaton NEO's defense actually *is* that high in-universe, but for the purposes of the game, he needs to die in a single hit, so the game's code says his defense is -[massive integer value here].

>>720617486
Asgore crumbled when she hit him once and told him to quit. The fact that it took her so long shows a profound lack of will to do anything.
Did she really not say anything until the ending of Undertale? I find that extremely hard to believe unless it was explicitly stated somewhere. Still, I think this counts for "spineless and cowardly", not "malicious and murderous".
I don't know how Ceroba is supposed to factor into any of this.

>>720617109
>Why would Toriel have any kind of reaction to what Clover does with a monster she's never even met?
because the whole the race shouldn't mix thing and I assume she still harbors some resentment from both chara and the whole monster-human war.

>How does she know about any of this?
its just a hypothetical as she too drunk and spiteful to ever leave the ruins.

>>720617340
>When did I say she had the right to end things with him over that? She should stay with him and try to get him help, or otherwise convince him to stop chasing these dark worlds forever if necessary. Its till death do us part, so she isn't off the hook until she's dead.
And if she can't convince him? What if she just actually couldn't talk him down from it? What's she supposed to do then, stand idly by while he pushes the world closer to oblivion? Or is she supposed to commit a romantic act of murder-suicide? Y'know, till death do they part and all that.
This is my point. If your partner is so suicidally obsessed with something to the point that you can't talk them out of it, you aren't obligated to stick with them, especially if they could potentially hurt you and the other people around them, or especially when it concerns the fate of the entire world, as is the case in DR.

>>720617549
>If Asgore meant business, there's nothing saying he couldn't have just broken Frisk's FIGHT button instead
That's not what that is, Asgore breaking MERCY isn't literal. It's just to symbolize that Asgore will not stop fighting you until he is no longer physically capable of fighting. Don't read too much into meta shit.

>>720617772
>Don't read too much into meta shit.
You serious?
In Undertale?
Really?

>>720617549
anon, the stat argument is used because while yes the 'lore' stats for undertale may be correct, we do not know what they would be for UTY so like the other anon said, they're incomparable so trying to use them is retarded - for all we know zartlet's 'lore' stats are 99/99 too

and again, clover's soul trait makes it the perfect counter to what zartlet does by locking the fight button, her locking the fight button essentially completely negates any attempt to fight back unless you have a specific method of getting around it like clover does so i dunno what you're getting at there

>>720617813
Yes, I'm serious. Never go full retard.

>>720617549
>Asgore could've easily made that fight unwinnable if he really wanted to
I don't think he could. But determination, and its reality warping protagonism enabling powers are a different can of worms entirely.

>We also know that Asgore potentially has some knowledge of resets and saving/loading
That isn't necessarily a DT thing. That could just be from him being exceedingly old and having lots of experience with humans.

>Numbers aside, Zenith Martlet just isn't that powerful even when compared to a boss monster that actively doesn't want to fight at all.
So she's weaker than the strongest monster and strongest boss monster in the Underground. She's still stronger than every other monster in the Underground aside from Asgore, including boss monsters like Toriel and Chujin. And more importantly, she's still a lot stronger than Axis, which has proven itself capable of killing humans.

Synthetic boss monsters may not be as strong as a the genuine article, but they're plenty strong, and importantly can be mass produced.

>the actual numbers in the game's code are just there to make the game work a certain way, the numbers you see in-game are still what's canon.
That's why they can't be directly compared to UTY's stats. Its stats are what's in the code and they treat them very differently from how Undertale treats them. Zartlet has lower stats than Knight Knight, but UTY depicts her as being insanely powerful. Meanwhile Knight Knight is a moderately strong common enemy.

>Mettaton NEO's defense actually *is* that high in-universe
No, I don't buy that. Mettaton Neo is just a jobber. Alphys built him wrong because he was the first model and she was shit at building human extermination robots. She can do sexy michael jackson dolls just fine, but the instant it needs to fight, it jobs hard.

>>720617853
>we do not know what they would be for UTY so like the other anon said, they're incomparable so trying to use them is retarded
It could very well be the case that their stats are what you see on the tin.
>
and again, clover's soul trait makes it the perfect counter to what zartlet does by locking the fight button, her locking the fight button essentially completely negates any attempt to fight back unless you have a specific method of getting around it like clover does so i dunno what you're getting at there
First of all, we know for a fact that other soul types can use the yellow soul mode, since Frisk obtains it from a fucking cellphone that Alphys gave them, so it's not like being able to get around having to use the FIGHT button is some super rare ability that only Clover had.
Also, even if getting rid of the FIGHT button alone might not help things, how about getting rid of every button? Nothing says Asgore couldn't just break *all* your UI buttons, effectively leaving you as a sitting duck, completely unable to do anything other than stand there and take it.
Zenith Martlet's ability to lock down your fight button was fairly weak, and it wasn't even permanent for the whole fight, and she needed the DT injection just to be able to do that.
Asgore broke the MERCY button like it was nothing, and there's nothing saying he couldn't have broken the rest if he felt like it.
No, Zenith Martlet is not a boss monster. She is, at most, on par with Undyne the Undying in terms of power and ability. And I do mean at *most*, since Undyne is shown to be way more resilient when her HP is depleted, whereas Martlet starts melting and loses control of her form the second you deplete her HP.

here's the official UT/DR wife/mother power ranking (UTY canonized btw)
cerobert>queen>carol>minor characters like ms. cattenheimer>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>power rape gap>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>toriel

>>720617669
I don't think Toriel holds any resentment towards humans at all. As far as she knows, Chara just got sick and died, and before that he was her darling little boy. At worst she might think that for the sake of both humans and monsters, its better if the races don't mingle, but even that I doubt.

If anything she seems more like the bigotry of low expectations.

>>720617936
Well I'm afraid you've beaten me to it, given how you've completely misinterpreted why Asgore breaks your MERCY button to begin with.
>It's just to symbolize that Asgore will not stop fighting you until he is no longer physically capable of fighting.
You somehow got the exact opposite meaning out of this from what the game intended. Asgore didn't break your MERCY button because he intends to fight *you* to the death, he breaks your MERCY button because he wants to make it impossible for *you* not to kill him, because he thinks he's unworthy of mercy.
How the hell did you mix that up? I mean, he literally falls to his knees at the end of his fight over how much he doesn't want to fight you, why the hell would *he* be the one with that kind of symbolism?

>>720617754
>stand idly by while he pushes the world closer to oblivion?
is he doing that? I don't see anything that suggests that.
>specially if they could potentially hurt you and the other people around them
you have no evidence of that

Toriel seems to not believe in dark worlds at all. If she did, then it becomes her responsibility to help Asgore deal with them since he's the one trying to deal with the dark world problem. Unless you're operating on Asgore knight theory, which I would put firmly in "hack toby" territory.

>>720618301
'very well be the case' is not a substitute for cold hard facts anon, they can't be compared and what little information we DO have on the raw numbers is that zartlet mogs in everything but HP, trying to argue about muh lore stats and what it MIGHT mean is some playground 'nuh uh my guy wins harder' type shit, so again, trying to compare them is meaningless beyond the legitimate numbers for gameplay
regardless, you're starting to lean too heavily into the asgore's meta abilities bit when the entire discussion started elsewhere

>>720618367
Wife and mother should be categorized separately since the rankings are different for those two.

>>720618251
>but they're plenty strong, and importantly can be mass produced.
Maybe, depending on how much DT individual monsters can handle before turning into goo.
>but the instant it needs to fight, it jobs hard.
I dunno, Mettaton's base form is apparently invincible and capable of lowering Frisk to 1 HP in pacifist with a single, undodgeable attack, so I think she's got the murderbot engineering down pretty well.
Frisk also does [insert ridiculous amount of 9s here] damage to Asgore at the end of genocide, and Asgore's pretty damned strong, so I'm pretty sure NEO going down in one hit is just to show off how strong Frisk is by that point, as opposed to NEO just being a complete wreck.

>>720618301
Undyne the Undying is stronger than Asgore. She just doesn't have the meta awareness to properly leverage her powers.

>>720581565 (OP)
RPG never meant anything outside of the early 80's when games like Ultima were literally just game versions of some fucking nerds D&D campaign.

Is Mario and Luigi a rpg? If so, then so is Undertale. Is

>>720618650
what matters is that toriel is at the bottom of every ranking except for biggest semen loving whore and biggest cunt

>>720588294
Oh yeah, as if that ever worked.

>>720618472
That's the same thing? He "breaks" (metaphorically) the mercy button because he WON'T stop fighting you i.e. won't accept your mercy - one implies the other and vice versa. Same difference. The only option is to fight.

>>720588303
Boy Frisk X Girl Chara is basically just Asriel X Chara but they actually do fix her.

>>720618568
>is he doing that? I don't see anything that suggests that.
Again, see cutscene of Asgore monologuing to himself while holding the dark magic crystal that makes people go violently insane.
>you have no evidence of that
That's the point dumbass, neither one of us has any information on what actually went down between Toriel and Asgore, and therefore it's unfair to cast any kind of judgement on either one of them because we don't know what either one of them actually did.
Maybe what happened really was one-sided and Toriel in the DR universe is a huge bitch, or maybe Asgore went off the deep end and Toriel distancing herself and Kris from him was a reasonable decision in her eyes, or maybe there's some kind of middleground, but the point is we don't *know*.
You're the one continuously painting Toriel like some evil matriarch who divorced Asgore out of petty spite to ruin his life for no reason despite not actually knowing what happened, *you're* the one with no evidence for what you're saying here, but you just can't accept that.

>>720618736
>depending on how much DT individual monsters can handle before turning into goo.
They can handle more than people think. Remember Alphys had to spam injections before the dying monsters melted. A single syringe probably isn't going to melt anyone in good health. Even if it did, Chujin had a screening process to pick out monsters it wouldn't.
>capable of lowering Frisk to 1 HP in pacifist with a single, undodgeable attack
When does this happen?
>Mettaton's base form is apparently invincible
Its also a solid steel brick possessed by a ghost. Unlike Neo, which is a tryhard michael jackson doll and was designed before the metal brick form.

>>720601336
> I hate YA.
It's a story about teenagers dealing with a supernatural problem. It is absolutlly YA.

Though I guess you can argue it's like Persona 4 if you want.

>>720618869
>except for biggest semen loving whore
If by "biggest" you mean by size.
>biggest cunt
Carol gives her stiff competition.

>>720619053
>see cutscene of Asgore monologuing to himself while holding the dark magic crystal that makes people go violently insane.
He was holding a black shard, which is just a fancy melee weapon. The shadow crystal is what makes people crazy, and even then so far its only shown to do that to darkners who were already crazy.

>>720619198
carol's cuntiness is a work
toriel's cuntiness is a shoot
source: it came to me in a dream

Why is Deltarune being discussed on a thread about Undertale Yellow?

How the fuck do we break this without the weird route?

>>720618946
>"breaks" (metaphorically)
Yeah, metaphorically, except for the fact that it's not a metaphor and the game's UI is an in-universe thing that Frisk interacts with and that other characters are aware of, as evidenced by multiple characters throughout the game very explicitly interacting with the UI in ways that make zero sense as metaphors, like Sans not doing anything in his turn to trap you in the bullet box forever, or the game very explicitly referring to save files during Photoshop Flowey's boss fight, or Sans attacking you in the UI during his fight, Papyrus' attack extending the bullet box somehow during his fight, etc. Also, Sans knowing to teleport you away from the wall of the bullet box to keep you from using the FIGHT button at the end of his fight implies that the fight command is a physical thing you have to be able to reach, since Sans only keeps you away from one specific wall of the box, implying there's a specific directionality to it in 3d space.
The UI isn't just for show, it's a real thing multiple characters are aware of.

>>720619171
I meant YA novels. Plenty of anime and games handle it just fine. Deltarune is a very different vibe from something like the Hunger Games.

>>720619393
Same game.

Though, if we can combine it, what do you think the Undertale Yellow cast is doing in Deltarune?

>>720619393
why are ya cryin' lil bitch? both can be talked about in the same thread
and if you're not down with that i've finna ding-dong diddly got two words for ya...
SUCK IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>*rapes you*

>>720619447
Waiting in the dark world version of Kanako's AO3 account for DRYanon to make the rest of the game.

>>720619427
>Deltarune is a very different vibe from something like the Hunger Games.
Well, obviously.

I honestly don't know any YA novels since people around me stopped talking about them the Hunger Games and that was almost a decade ago. I think romantasy is in? Not sure what the fuck that actually means though. Should figure it out if I really do want to become a novelist.

>>720619104
>When does this happen?
Get a question wrong during Mettaton's quiz show and he'll zap you down to 1 HP. The attack is entirely undodgeable, it instantly hits you if you select the wrong answer to a question. If Mettaton can do that in his base form when he's only trying to punish you during a game show, I think he could probably put up a good fight against Frisk in that same form if he was really trying.

>>720619513
>Deltarune Yellow
Does it take place in Texas?

>>720619447
Well, the story in DR, both that of the prophecy and whatever's going on with Gaster and friends, seems to be pretty centered around the main town in DR and it's various inhabitants, so the actual answer to your question is that the UTY cast would certainly just be a bunch of random nobodies in the world of DR.

>>720614174
>Low effort sprite comics with deviantart tier donut steel OC's
>Actual UTY art
Go back, and take your template meme folder with you

>>720619516
YA novels are generally hackneyed pretentious garbage trying to appeal to teenage girls who thing they're deep. Instead of studying tropes and trying to fit into genres, just write a good book that you would've read at that age.

Technically you could call Lord of The Rings a YA fantasy novel, but its obviously not and no one would call it that in good faith. YA is stuff like Maze Runner, Hunger Games, and Percy Jackson.

>>720619408
Correct.
But in Asgore's case, it IS metaphor. There is no reason for it not to be. It has zero significance beyond not being able to spare him. Toby did it so that players wouldn't get stuck thinking they could beat Asgore without fighting.

>>720619518
In UT, if your guard is down, you take massive damage from any attack. That's probably what happened there.

>>720619298
Alright, my mistake, but that still means he's muttering to himself about a dark magic melee weapon and about making people see some kind of hidden truth, which is the kind of thing people get institutionalized for.

>>720619665
I agree, though I do like to think they are still from Hometown.

Most likely Ceroba moved away after her husband died while Martet was one of Asriel's classmates that fled the place and never looked back. Starlo moved to Texas after teaching Snowy his accent.

>>720619473
Because every time a Yellow thread goes off-topic, it starts devolving to a UT/DR thread.
Seriously, this thread only exists as it does because jannies would immediately purge a thread that was explicitly about "Undertale Yellow". Like they did to another thread today, which most of you haven't noticed.

>>720619736
>YA novels are generally hackneyed pretentious garbage trying to appeal to teenage girls who thing they're deep.
I would probably agree, but like I said it's been literal years since I actually even looked in the direction of one.

>Technically you could call Lord of The Rings a YA fantasy novel
Lord of the Rings is mostly about adults. Dune is unironically closer even though I doubt msot teenagers would read it.

>>720619518
He doesn't instantly send you to 1 HP. He takes half you HP with each wrong question. That also isn't undodgeable, you dodge it by answering correctly.

>>720619753
Asgore does have some knowledge of game mechanics. It's even hinted he can dodge like Sans.

Mind you, none of that goes anywhere.

>>720619570
The game never actually says where it takes place. Its just a town that looks like the one in UTY, presumably somewhere in the US.

>>720619753
The text towards the end of Asriel's fight in pacifist explicitly mentions not being able to physically reach your save file or any of your other commands at one point, meaning the buttons are real physical things you interact with in order to do certain things during a battle.
With that in mind, it's far from a stretch to say that the buttons could also be broken physically too.

>>720619753
Anon, even the text boxes are diegetic. If you see it in the game, its canon.

>>720619835
Why would Chujin be dead in the DR universe?

Also Martlet is totally Berdly's much older sister.

>>720619995
>>720620054
You are both schizophrenic.

>>720584532
Deadlock

>>720619892
>I doubt msot teenagers would read it.
I don't know. Teenagers love edgy sci fi stuff like that, and Dune blew up really big among zoomers when the movie came out.

>>720619908
Okay, my mistake on that first part, although 10 damage per hit is still pretty damned strong for UT, but we also know that Mettaton can deliberately rig his questions to fuck with you, like making the timer on the "would you smooch a ghost" question tick up instead of down. If he can do that, it's not out of the question that he could also just make every answer to a question wrong just to damage you, or just cut out the middle man and attack you directly. The reason Mettaton doesn't really try and kill you throughout most of Hotland is because he's acting under Alphys' orders not to as part of her scheme, but he ditches her plan when you fight him in the core. If he decided to quit playing along way earlier, he probably could've killed Frisk with basically no effort if his damage and defense stats are anything to go by.

>>720620162
Irrelevant, we're both right.

>>720620162
Anon, did you forget when Mettaton's words were bombs?

>>720620189
The novel has very rough and (heh) dry prose. It's not impossible for them to get into it but it's rough.

>>720619947
>Mind you, none of that goes anywhere.
None of that goes anywhere because Asgore isn't actually trying to kill you when you fight him, so he isn't pulling out all the stops and giving it his all against you.

>>720620138
He was working at Area 51 and accidentally unleashed whatever supernatural issue is plaguing the main cast.

>>720620309
I know. But in general it's weird that Asgore knows about several game mechanics but it's never really brought up again and he goes down like a absolute chump in the genocide route regardless.

>>720620208
I think he physically couldn't because then you wouldn't be able to complete the game. Determination warps reality so that you can always reach the ending. Even if he tried to, something would stop him, like what happened to Flowey.

Assuming no DT fuckery, yes he probably could've just killed Frisk at any time. His EX form way weaker than his brick form.

>>720620352
So this DRY has its own supernatural phenomena unrelated to dark worlds?

>>720620447
Nah, but the supernatural phenomean is using the dark world to do it's bidding.

>>720620352
>But in general it's weird that Asgore knows about several game mechanics but it's never really brought up again and he goes down like a absolute chump in the genocide route regardless.
Yeah, I kinda wish Asgore got more of a fair shake at the end of the genocide route, but I guess that's just narrative at that point.
I heard someone once had a headcanon that the reason why Asgore didn't absorb the six human souls to use against Frisk in the genocide route was because Flowey intercepted Alphys' call to Asgore telling him to do that, but I feel like someone could've just ran into Asgore's castle and told him what was up, so I dunno.

Sidenote, I'm still kinda upset that one UT hard mode mod said they wouldn't be adding in a genocide Asgore fight because they think it would be "out of character" for Asgore to ever absorb the souls even in an emergency, which is fucking bullshit.

All of these kinds of games exist for talented artists to have a platform to move a mediocre story which acts as a vehicle just to make their artwork more interactive, and it's targeted at solely people from tumblr and furaffinity and nobody else which is why everyone from 4chan hates them because we're all straight and only have really fucked up fetishes like dick nipples and saying nigger at you tourist newfags.

So if Toriel had a sister, what would she be like?

My take is that she'd be the opposite of Toriel in terms of personality and build. Skinny as a bean pole instead of built like a fridge. Meek and mild instead of dominant and vindictive.

>>720581565 (OP)
westoids haven't had anything except humiliation in the RPG front since Skyrim so they are desperate

>>720620352
>He was working at Area 51 and accidentally unleashed whatever supernatural issue is plaguing the main cast.
Y'know, I once heard from a guy who did some jobs moving cargo to Area 51 that they were moving miles worth of fiber-optic cable down there, for some kind of super computer or something.

>>720620653
I dunno, how do you feel about Prey (2017)?

>>720620725
Daedalus

>>720620536
>but I feel like someone could've just ran into Asgore's castle and told him what was up, so I dunno.
You think Sans could have told him as a backup plan.

>>720618864
>Is Mario and Luigi a rpg?
series is literally called RPG in japan

>>720620725
>Rogue AI is trying to use the Dark World to do something evil.
>Probably using a teenager for it.
Did I just accidentally recreate the plot of Superhuman Samurai Syber-Squad?

>>720620801
Yeah, especially given that Sans was a grand total of like 20 feet away from him.
Guess he really is a lazybones through and through.

>>720620852
The only real expalnation I have is that absorbing the souls wouldn't do shit since they would just revolt, and everybody but Undyne knows that. Mostly just speculation though.

>>720620725
>>720620352
>Chujin isn't actually dead, he's just been absorbed into the darkness and lives as a ghost consciousness in a computer

I was expecting more UTY pictures to be posted, but I guess not
So for those of you who still care, here's a Martlet before I log off

>>720620926
Eh, they revolt against Flowey because you call out to them for help, and also make them remember who they are in the process, as seen in their minigame segments.
I think if Frisk had to fight the souls in a genocide run, they might not be so willing to fight back against their user given that Frisk would be a genocidal maniac.

>>720620926
Maybe (you) have infinite determination hax. So if you need to have more than six souls to win, then you will.

>>720621024
Thanks but it sucks ass, don't come back.

>>720621024
I didn't want to image dump.

>>720621039
What if geno Frisk just killed all of the souls one by one? Or what if he just one shot hyper Asgore despite his soul boost?

>>720621045
To be fair, even with Seven Souls Asriel still loses.

>>720620994
"I do not wish to wait for Chujin Ketsukane. My plan will fail if I am integrated with the wrong individual."

>>720621147
Aht, he only loses because you talk him down with the SAVE command.
I'm not so sure that would work in a genocide route.

>>720620781
literally not an rpg

>>720621184
>Bob Page Chujin
I never knew I needed this until now

>>720621235
But you still win. If (you) really do have the ability to always win somehow, then a way would always materialize for you to beat Asriel.

>>720621238
It's an immersive sim, which is a kind of rpg.

>>720621321
immersive sim isn't a thing genre tranny

>>720621260
Now I just wanna see Chujin in that infusion pod thing Bob Page was in.
I now also wanna see him blow up when I push that button on the infusion control panel.

>>720621260
Why are you locked in the Steamworks?

>>720621358
If "immersive sim" isn't a genre, then all the games called that are actually just RPGs with action fps elements.

>>720621358
Ah, it's actually quite simple really, an immersive sim is just an rpg that takes place in an immersive simulation.

>>720621409
You talkin to me?

>>720621260
If Chujin is Bob Page, who's JC Denton?

>>720621487
Maybe you should try getting a job.

>>720621528
Ok where?

>>720621596
The Royal Guard.

>>720621489
He's the Ralsei equivelent.

>>720621631
Why don't you try joining the royal guard, IN A DUST BIN

>>720584532
undertale yellow

>>720621642
Shouldn't clover theoretically be JC Denton? Who would Paul be?

>>720621642
Alright, interesting choice.
Not sure I see Ralsei whipping out the "Flatlander Woman" on whoever our Anna Nevarre equivalent is, but sure, why not.

>>720621732
Starlo

>>720621732
I think this comparison is starting to break down.
I am totally gonna draw Chujin getting exploded in that infusion pod though, that sounds great.

>>720621783
He's not equivelent to Ralsei in personality, he's just filling Ralsei's role as third party member. Its just JC Denton.

>>720621489
Axis
>>720621732
Another Axis

>>720621883
I'll be honest, I think that might work even less, but I'll take it.
Instead of using a sleep spell to spare enemies he just hits them with the baton and throws tear gas grenades at them until they collapse.

>>720621989
Wouldn't Axis be Icarus? Wait, who's Daedalus then?
Yeah, I think this comparison's broken now.

>>720621994
His heal is giving people soi food

>>720622048
Ok, you've forced my hand. Paul is Kanako, JC is Kyuubi.

>>720622159
>Kyuubi.
...Who?

>>720622187
Second worst fox OC behind Shu. He's Chujin's son, has super rage powers (there's a sprite comic of him mauling geno clover to death), is basically fox Sans minus the jokes, and he's shipped with middle aged martlet.

>>720621085
Decided to come back early
Instead of logging off immediately, I'll post my whole Martlet set

>>720622398
Posted the wrong image, but this'll work. He's the one in the green jacket. I wish I had that mauling comic though, it has potent energy.

>>720622398
Oh, that thing.
Yeah, let's not talk about that thing.
Getting back on track, I could actually see Chujin getting himself killed by trying to infuse himself with something in order to become more powerful...
Since that's basically what he did already.
What a shame.

>>720622508
The question is what reason would he have to do that if there's no existential threat of human's invading?

>>720622538
are her tits bigger in the last image?

>redditplace
>reddit ocs
yep, its robaslop time

>>720622508
What a rotten way to die.

>>720622704
Bonus pic
Infinity Martlets...

>>720622591
Easy, just make it so instead of messing around with soul-serums and getting himself killed, he instead decides to try and become some kind of AI-powered super-being in an effort to try and unite the underground to be more capable of fighting humanity.
Then all you have to do is disable a few blue fusion reactors, and...

>>720622749
We were talking about the deltarune universe.

>>720622741
blessed be

>>720622398
I feel blessed not knowing who any of these OCs are

>>720622801
Oh, right.
Maybe he just wanted to see if it could be done. With no resources or motive to pursue soul-research, maybe he goes deeper into mechanical sciences instead, eventually researching augmentation and AI.

>>720622508
The clown deserved it

>>720622863
I only know three of them. I know Shu because he's our FUARKIN hero. I know that guy in the hat is Clover's dad, who falls in love with Ceroba over their shared history of abusing and neglecting children. And I already told you about the Chujin's son one.

Wait, so does this make Ceroba the Walton Simons of this universe?
I don't know how to feel about that.

>>720623120
Either that or she's Anna Navarre

>>720623260
What would her killphrase be?
Ah man, now I can't stop imagining Clover going up to the balcony to fight her at the end of pacifist in UTY and just instantly exploding her in front of Starlo and Martlet.

>>720623321
She's too stupid to be Navarre. She's Gunther Hermann
>I know your steamworks killphrase, desert coyote
>I am not a coyo-

>>720623432
>Sticks and stones.

>the other thread just went down
Welp.

>>720623736
What other thread?

>>720621097
sometimes it must be done

so whats with the shotgun and the peg leg

>>720624638
tf2

>>720624790
>>720624929
Ah, havent touched the game in some time. Didnt make the connection. Id seen some other art of martlet with a peg leg and assumed it was just "a thing"

>>720625128
I actually don't know if that's an intentional TF2 reference or not. If I remember correctly that image is based on a sprite comic from the UTY subreddit called "Legacy" or something, but I haven't read all of it and I have no idea if it's any good.

>>720625128
>havent touched the game in some time.
Go play tf2 now.
>Id seen some other art of martlet with a peg leg
Where?

Keep the thread afloat guys, I'm logging off for the night.

Come up with a decent premise for a fan game that isn't just: Prequel about a past human.

>>720603756
Nah. I made two threads, one about Undertale having a piece of merch crossing over with Omori and Yume Nikki, and one about pic related and they all archived without the jannies help. An Undertale bait thread just got archived, as well.

>>720612239
Stop trying to kill these threads.

>>720627453
In a thread many months ago I tossed around the idea of a UT fangame taking place after the neutral ending where Mettaton takes over the underground and turns it into a 1984-esque dystopia, where you play as a fallen human after Frisk trying to survive in a way more hostile underground.

>>720627453
A game where you play as Flowey trying to get the 6 human souls. The gameplay would revolve around you abusing the save mechanic in order to view every possible outcome.

>>720619393
This is the only Undertale related thread that might reach bump limit. The newsletter today should revitalize discussion.

>>720621146
There's a fangame about this:
https://youtu.be/czgP_PENgvg?si=xUatnudZR6fctZjF
I am pretty sure Chapter 5 will be like this except the six human SOULs will be his flower bouquet.

>>720628048
>newsletter today
source?

>>720628261
It's literally the 10th anniversary.

>>720628261
The Undertale anniversary in Japan is today. Toby usually releases newsletters during the night. I expect the newsletter to come out later today.

Still waiting on those Martlet feets.

>>720620536
>Yeah, I kinda wish Asgore got more of a fair shake at the end of the genocide route, but I guess that's just narrative at that point.
The real reason is that genocide is set up to get the player to think that Asgore is the final boss, only for a bait-and-switch with Sans. Obviously everyone knows how it really goes now, but it worked on a few people back in the day (it successfully tricked Joel). Also, maybe Toby didn't want two back-to-back ridiculous boss fights.
>I heard someone once had a headcanon that the reason why Asgore didn't absorb the six human souls to use against Frisk in the genocide route was because Flowey intercepted Alphys' call to Asgore telling him to do that, but I feel like someone could've just ran into Asgore's castle and told him what was up, so I dunno.
Flowey could have killed any messenger Alphys would have sent. Though, it was stupid of Sans to not tell him.
>Sidenote, I'm still kinda upset that one UT hard mode mod said they wouldn't be adding in a genocide Asgore fight because they think it would be "out of character" for Asgore to ever absorb the souls even in an emergency, which is fucking bullshit.
What a stupid copout.
>>720621883
>He's not equivelent to Ralsei in personality, he's just filling Ralsei's role as third party member. Its just JC Denton.
That's a brilliant idea for a shitpost mod. Susie would probably hate him though.

>>720627453
Play as a monster detective trying to find out what's happened to missing monsters.

>>720627453
Train of consciousness style meme games composed of characters and tropes I find funny and memes saved to my computer. Basically Undertale 2: ROTR

>>720584362
I don't believe that image is AI but you can absolutely tell modern image generation to add a signature to the corner of your image

>>720624638
I don't know if that's the inspiration for this particular image but a large number of UTY redesigns make Martlet an amputee or paraplegic because her namesake is a mythical bird without legs, who never stops flying.

test

>>720620653
expedition 33 came out this year

>>720622461
>I wish I had that mauling comic though, it has potent energy.
Wish granted

>>720633154
KINOOOO

>>720622643
that's where she stores her creative spirit

>>720633154
he looks like he yiiked out

>>720622813
Plushlet.

>>720620620
You just described Roba

>>720627707
>pic
Interesting

>>720637065
Yeah, I wonder if Deltarune is actually just a Gaster simulation or not. It reminds me of this little comic that was posted two weeks after the game came out. I wonder if they got it right.
(1/3)

>>720637631
I fucked up posting order, this is the first.

>>720637781
And that’s all. I really do wonder if Deltarune is a canon computer program.

>>720637850
I feel that would diminish it a bit

>>720637970
Maybe. I didn’t think much of it before that Famitsu issue.