Thread 720637889

Is DLC cut content?

The Nintendo community is 10 years behind the standard gaming community, yeah. That's very visibly seen by Nintendo falling for the open world slop meme in 2017. One day, they too will get fatigued of that garbage that seems novel to them on their closed ecosystem.

>>720637889 (OP)
Sorry wrong board, I meant to post this on >>>/vp/

>>720637889 (OP)
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YES GAYMING CORPORATION PLEASE THROATFUCK ME HARDER
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>>720637889 (OP)
Paradox announce like 5 upcoming DLCs for EU5 and the game isn't even close to release, what do you think?

>>720638021
I remember seeing a video where tendies were impressed by fucking ragdolls in Zelda BotW.

>Digimon sells Digimon as DLC
>nobody cares
>Pokemon sells Pokemon as DLC
>everyone loses their shit
Why is that?

>>720638320
"gotta buy em all" just doesn't have the same ring

There was a point where i would've been half-joking or trolling or shitposting when i said this but now i mean it 100% sincerely: the best thing about Pokemon nowadays is the porn.

if that Soulslike they're working on ends up being any good, then Gamefreak needs to be taken off the Pokemon IP altogether because that would prove that their heart just isn't in it anymore.

>>720637889 (OP)
Your foreskin is cut content

>Pokemon sells Pokemon as DLC
>everyone loses their shit
Coping tendie sex slave on suicide watch

What's this called?

>>720637889 (OP)
It depends really, even just in the realm of DLC announced before a game comes out. It could be stuff that was almost done but wouldn't be by the deadlines for shipping the game so they decided to just give it some extra time or it could be stuff that was completely done and purposefully set aside to be DLC, the only way to really say for sure is to datamine the release version of a game (before any day 1 patches or anything) and see if the DLC content is in there and totally finished like it was for I think SFxTekken.

>>720637889 (OP)
People were 100% right to call DLC cut content ten years ago. They're not bonuses; they're what the publishers and devs think can be stripped out of the game and sold back later.

>>720637889 (OP)
Not always.
There's a cutoff during development for new features and content. You can't just be adding stuff the day before it ships.
That said, modern publishers are scummy as hell and likely do hold back some stuff from initial launch to nickel and dime end users.

>>720638686
Hasn't Pokemon been doing stuff like this since the GBA with the E-Reader?

>>720638686
>her
At least "she" isn't a shill like Joe Merrick

>>720638320
>>Digimon sells Digimon as DLC
>>nobody cares
Everyone is shitting on the exorbitant DLC prices for Time Stranger, you just aren't seeing it because no one cares about Digimon to begin with.

>>720638794
yeah nintendo has been extremely greedy and gotten away with it for over 20 years

>>720638794
It's been doing it since the basic Gameboy with Red and Blue, the whole franchise is built on "you need to buy more than just the one game"

>>720638973
At least with Gen 1, the whole point was to talk to other kids with a different copy and trade with them. Nobody had an E-Reader back then, let alone those cards that let you get exclusive Pokemon.

>>720637889 (OP)
In some cases yes. Look at Donkey Kong Banana Breath; you think the team that takes 8 years to create a game created DK island in a little over a month?

The dlc even feels like a post game afterthought. They just removed it and sold it for $20 because Nintendo didn't think they could sell Konky Dong for 80 or 90 like they did with Mario Kart.

>>720637889 (OP)
diablo 3 necromancer was literally cut content since it was going to be an entire expansion but d3 was too dead to bother by then

>>720637889 (OP)
>dlcs are commonly announced before release
>we are supposed to believe it isn't cut content
rolf lmao even

>>720638819
She’s an actual woman, I remember watching her videos from 2013 before the T-word craze took off.

>>720638698
>deflection

>>720638698
Sega's greed, the company mandates that every release has multiple editions.

Fairly sure Demon Prince fight from Ringed City DLC was supposed to be in the basegame before getting cut then reused for the DLC

>>720639174
Imagine if they charged $20 for balloon rush and peach's castle for Mario Odyssey

>>720638698
Season Passes are such a fucking scam honestly. Why pay $20+ at launch for something that will take months before it gives you all the content you paid for?

Yep. It's a loophole. "I'd never pay $80 for a video game but $60 now and $20 later for the DLC is fine!".

Roblox

>>720638794
they have been doing distributions since gen1 and they were always a problem because not everybody could travel to country capitals to receive a mew at some random ass event.
it was fucked until gen4 came out and they simply made the giveaways online events. thats how it should be.

This isn't uniquely a Nintendo problem

>>720639508
Correct.
Dark Souls 1 was the worst for this.
The entirety of Artorias of the Abyss was cut content wholesale repurposed into DLC.
The Painted World is a reworked cut version of the Northern Undead Asylum and Priscilla is a cut NPC that would've served as the Firekeeper at Firelink Shrine and was likely the missing level up girl of that game.

>>720637889 (OP)
Not always but it often is.

>>720637889 (OP)
I actually worked on pic related back in the day as a qa tester, all the DLC characters were added about 2 months before it was shipped off to get approved (forgot the actual term, basically Sony, Nintendo etc need to pass it as largely bug free)
When it was sent off for approval the characters were removed from the game so they could be re-added as DLC
Anyone here who defends day 1 dlc is a fucking idiot, they would've had to test it and that would have been during the beta stage

>>720639803
>Priscilla
Best girl.

>>720637889 (OP)
Joe is one person who I can say with certainty is a paid shill

>>720637889 (OP)
>late 90s game comes out
>it feels complete
>does well enough to allow the devs to keep working on the game
>bundle all that work into one big expansion
>expansion comes out 8 months later
>improves a bunch of stuff and expands the story
>now it's done and complete
>2020s game comes out
>it's huge but feels unfinished and broken
>does well enough to allow the devs to keep working on the game
>every week a patch that fixes something
>every couple of months some smaller DLC
>gets one big expansion at the end of its life cycle
>game has been released 2 years ago
>still feels unfinished
>devs are still patching stuff here and there
>they expect players to return to the game every once in a while

>>720639496
obviously it's still shitty, but the time to complain about this is long over
consumers made their bed

>>720640053
Joe is 100% shill (see what he said for the Switch 2 ver of SV) but the screen you posted isn't a contradiction, third versions were always full priced DLCs

>>720637889 (OP)
MISTA MERRIKU?!

>>720640053
He never really recovered after Masuda put those bugs in his anusu.

>>720637889 (OP)
sometimes

>>720638320
More like
>Digimon
>nobody cares

>>720637889 (OP)
it's not always cut content, but the amount of effort put into dlc is a fraction of what they put into the base game while it usually costs between 25% and 50% of what the base game cost

day 1 dlc is cut content and always has been
most people just haven't cared because normalfags ate it up when gigakike corps like EA started doing it as much as they could, most memorably with the on disc dlc for ME3

Nintendo announcing dlc for a game before its out that we've also barely seen any footage of is only about a half step further than where we've already been
I think the pokemon one is getting attention because its clearly a main feature of the story getting chopped off and offered to be glued back on which even for day 1 dlc is a relatively rare move to make
day 1 dlc was typically selling you side story shit or random gear you wont care about past midgame
most companies had the wherewithal to leave story additions for less obviously predatory timeframes but Nintendo is rightfully assured they don't have to care about something like that, the Virtual Boy peripheral pre orders are already sold out after all

Why not just pirate the game?

>>720640757
That's morally wrong.

>>720637889 (OP)
used to depend on when the discs were pressed, now i'd generally just say yeah it's usually cut or unfinished content.

>>720640801
Only on opposite day.

>>720637889 (OP)
It's amazing how Joe Merrick has managed to find a way to sustain himself on a diet purely consisting of Game Freak's cum.

>>720640801
It's morally wrong to try to take money from me that I can use to spend on life experiences

>>720640862
kek

hide twigger threads

>>720640846
What's funny is that it's JUST Game Freak. He'll happily call out Niantic for Go's terrible practices but when GF does it he turns a blind eye. Then gets mad when people call him a shill.

>>720640129
Yeah it's a little late to suddenly be outraged at a company doing shit like this

>>720637889 (OP)
Starcraft, Diablo 2, and warcraft 3 had a ton of shit in their data files that ended up being used in their expansions or modified and used.

>>720637889 (OP)
I don't think any companies in the last 25 years have made DLC that wasn't pre-planned prior to the game's release so it literally is content cut from the game. This development pipeline was already established way before this became a hot topic.

>>720640228
MR. MASUDA PLEASE DONT

>>720638320
I find it stupid and annoying to announce dlc before the game is even out.

Z-A's $30 dlc is an inverted version of the same fucking map with maybe 11-16 new megas sprinkled in

>>720637889 (OP)
Did stopped thinking that DLC was cut content at some point? Have you seen the state of Borderlands 4?
I just get more convinced every year.

>>720638320
When was the last time you saw somebody even acknowledging Digimon's existence outside of the angewoman things?

>>720641258
WWII was intensively clowned on tho, that's the worst example for pointing out people were complacent

>>720637889 (OP)
In todays generation yes. They cut it on purpose now so they can scam you for more money. Its disgusting.

https://youtu.be/vbbZslUchyA
No... I can't believe it. Nintendo would never...

Any time I see a joe thread I figure it's his faggot ass making them. I still remember the Gamefaq days when he'd regularly forget to switch accounts when calling himself out to ether make it look like he was a big deal or to claim he was being attacked.

Joe Merrick is the worst. He always says that the latest games are the best while shitting on fan favorites like gen 2 and the pmd series. He also preaches how leaks are bad despite getting all his datamined info from hackers day 0, and was caught red handed emulating gen 5 back in the day

>>720641547
Gotta justify the season pass.

>>720641751
Even if people complained, it still sold gangbusters. We will never see an end to this because the average consumer is fucking retarded.

>>720640697
>its clearly a main feature of the story getting chopped off and offered to be glued back on which even for day 1 dlc is a relatively rare move to make
Nah it’s just a bonus post game dungeon that has some new megastones in it. Part of the reason something like this has to be held back is so they can tune the difficulty.

>>720637889 (OP)
By definition it cant be since it was never cut in the first place, it was always developed to be sold later

The pedestal people put Nintendo on is crumbling and there's only copium to replace it.

>>720637889 (OP)
it has been cut content almost the entire time it exists, yes
here is an example of dlc that was not cut content; titan quest releasing expansions to an old ass game infinity years later
here is an example of cut content; any game that releases any "dlc" whatsoever within a year of the game releasing

>>720642297
It is cut because it was specifically removed in the planning stages of the main game to be sold later. It's difficult to know without being a part of the developer team when DLC isn't cut content except using the passage of time as a crude indicator like >>720642573

>>720642801
But if they planned it from the start to be sold separately how can it be cut? It was never intended to be in the game at release.
You cut something when its already made and implemented, but this is not that
Its a stupid pedantic argument anyways
The complete game is now $90 thats all that matters

Why should i pay attention to the opinion of a circus freak-

>>720642573
Proof that titan quest stuff wasn't cut content?

We planned for this extra skins to be sold separately from the start, it doesn't count as cut content?

>>720641547
They did it for BOTW and Smash Ultimate
It sucks but it's notning new

>>720642908
When they're brainstorming ideas for a game before any of this 3D modelling & coding shit even begins, they create this idea and removing things from this idea to sell it later still counts as cutting content. I agree though this is getting into semantics territory, we should all just agree we're getting jewed.

>nike comes up with new shoe and color
>yo wtf is this cut content

>>720642908
Nonsensical argument based around semantics
If they worked on content for the game, alongside making the game, and it was not included in the game but sold seperately, that is cut content. The semantics do not matter. Anything you intentionally design to go along with the game but to charge separately for is still cut content. The only way this isn't "cut content" by the consumers definition is if it is never released and never sold, then it becomes a different form of cut content that is unfinished and abandoned. If you try to sell it, it is content that should have been part of the game, there is no argument to be made otherwise. Any dlc you want not to be considered cut content by the consumers cannot have any work done on it whatsoever before the release of the game and for a time afterwards too frankly.

>>720637889 (OP)
Depends. Launch DLC sure is, particularly stuff that is just variants of existing game content like the Bloodlines clans or what this Pokémon thing looks like. This was the exact kind of stuff that was cut in order to get people to buy games new rather than used 15 years ago. But now it’s a way to increase game prices without increasing the advertised prices. But stuff like significant post launch context DLC, think Paradox grand strategy games for example wouldn’t be cut content IMO.

If it could be in the game, then it is.

>>720643310
>>720643263
Fine I just think people should be angry at the final game being $90 now
If the game at release was $20 and then the "cut" content later added it to $60 I wouldnt care

>>720639519
Ignot Island is supposed to be Bananza's Mushroom Kingdom because that's where the post game bananas are

>>720637889 (OP)
Always has been

>>720643310
>should have been part of the game
>should
Why?
Dont get me wrong I hate these people but there is no "should" its their product they can do what they want

Every game has cut content- Getting it and paying for it is better than never getting it.

>>720639519
if it was released now, no doubt.

>>720639174
>you think the team that takes 8 years to create a game created DK island in a little over a month?
probably, yeah, considering the main complaint about the DLC is how empty and Barren DK island is, they probably churned it out really fucking fast.

>>720638727
okay now remember it's pokemon and their games look, run, and play like ass lately.
if it was another 3 hours of good content it'd be different but you get a couple 3D models and a new area or whatever. From the most profitable franchise in the world.

>>720637889 (OP)
can be considered an expansion or just extra content on release/shortly after?

>>720637889 (OP)
How can anyone buy and play gen 8 and 9 and still be a defender of this series is beyond me, they are selling you DLC before the game even comes out for christ's sake

>>720643394
This would result in the "base" game being a void though, they would scrape even more content out to sell to you as the extra part because the idea of selling a game that is actually a full experience and good for 20 dollars makes these suits shit their pants with anger lmao. You would get every game being essentially a paradox game.

>>720643506
They can do what they want and I can not buy it and call them cunts for whatever I want, it's a two way street. Anything you work on relating to a project during its development is mine for the base price of the game and included, or you aren't getting my sale. I'm not going around buying sandwiches from stores that is just 2 bits of bread and nothing else then paying extra for it to actually be a sandwich. They're apparently free to do it, they're also free to get shit on for doing it and it harm their reputation

>>720643794
Those were good gens doebeit

>>720640053
that's been obvious for a long fucking time. iirc there was a time when he had pages for pokemon that hadn't been revealed yet but he took them down after people found them. he's a straight up employee of TPC at this point.

>>720638698
just as bad

>>720641281
brood war took a couple things that were campaign only, like dark templars, and properly made them into units

>>720643809
>food analogy
Kidding, I agree

>>720638698
whataboutism, but there's probably some kind of official fallacy named for it.

>>720639612
>heading to a public place to participate in an event with fellow trainers
SOVL
>typing in some code online
souless…

>>720643850
Name 3 thing SwSh does well

>>720641547
it is, but consumers have rewarded that behavior by only buying DLC for games when the games themselves are new. Basically if you wait a year or even half a year to make your DLC you won't sell as much DLC as the guys who bundle it with launch.
so once again its just retarded consumers rewarding bad practices.

>>720638172
Weren't Fromtrannies doing the onions face for getting a horse that had 2 jumps? Are they 30 years behind everyone else?

Nintendo games are for literal children.

>>720644083
>gym battles
>music
>shiny legendaries

>>720644197
USUM does two of those things better (also a shit game by the way)

>>720644294
USUM were great games too!

>>720637889 (OP)
Not all DLC is cut content but if you're announcing it before the game is out it's hard to not call it cut content.
>make game
>game is a hit
>make more content
>everybody happy
vs
>decide X content is to be made into DLC after the fact rather than included with it
>proudly announce you're selling 90% of a game, 10% sold separately
>nobody happy

>>720637889 (OP)
Day 1 DLC is. People expect the price tag on release to reflect how much the game cost to make. If content was made before it went gold and released separately then the game is unfinished, the initial price tag should be reduced by the DLC's.
Back in the day EA got caught out trying to sell a ME3 companion as day 1 DLC. People opened its files and found all the DLC did was change a "no" to a "yes", meaning the character was already on the disk and bought, they just expected you to pay again for the privilege of seeing it. Developers do the same now, they just cover their tracks by removing the files from the game entirely.

>>720637889 (OP)
>guy whose whole relevance and livelihood relies on corporate product does whatever he can to defend it
often there are cases such as this

>>720638686
I personally love when games have additional content for having saves or achievements from other games. Wish it happened more often

>>720637889 (OP)
Always has been.

>>720638320
Digimon is irrelevant

>>720638038
Don't worry anon, we all make huge mistakes.

>>720637889 (OP)
If it's day one, yes.

>>720637889 (OP)
When your DLC is planned out alongside the game itself? Yes, absolutely.

>DLC announced before a game releases
>I can't believe Nintendo would do that
10 years ago you had funny dancing black man and an army of manchildren clapping. Now suddenly it's an unacceptable business practice.

>>720641167
I mean he is literally a shill now. He's an official partner of TPC. They invite him to events and shit.

>>720645347
>funny dancing black man
Whomst? Niggetika?

It can be, like that Bananza stuff probably was, but we don't know when this ZA DLC will go.
If they're only showing a CG trailer, then it isn't like it'll be ready less than a month after release, plus the game had to have gone gold by now, so maybe they would have just started on it?
who knows, that shit's thirty dollars, so I wouldn't be touching it anyway

>>720638320
>but Digimon!

>>720645592
It's not released on launch day. That's only when pre-orders start. If they're not actually done with it they should have just announced it later.

>>720645787
>If they're not actually done with it they should have just announced it later.
then its sales would've been cut in half. most DLC is sold launch week, because consumers are retards.

>>720643965
Medics and a valk like unit were both in starcraft's data files. They refined them for BW.

I havent fucked with diablo 2's files that much, but assassin was in Diablo 2's original files to some extent, especially since they had the npc.

>>720637889 (OP)
Generally yes: content that was conceived at the same time as the rest of the game, but intentionally delayed so it could be sold separately.

>>720637889 (OP)
They've been cutting content for years

>>720645850
Okay so basically it's objectively just smart business and it's nothing personal

>>720641636
this.
i've played games on launch that got DLC months later and if you don't have the DLC, your base game gets a big gap where nothing happens.
Usually paradox games.

>>720637889 (OP)
When it comes out perfectly finished like a month after base game launches? Yes, extremely probably that it's cut content.
When it comes out even BEFORE the base game launches? 100% cut content that could ship with the base game.

>>720643249
he didn't say it was new
he said it was stupid and annoying

>>720647773
You're stupid and annoying

>>720642064
Even better, his favorite games are Gen 8, the generation that singlehandedly raped the corpse that Gen 6 killed. He says it's because Galar is British, but I doubt it.
>>720645347
Hate to defend DLC before the game releases, but at least Smash was just extra characters and occasional stages. Smash was already feature complete, this just adds more.

>>720648097
>He says it's because Galar is British
I'm British and Gen 8 is what got me to stop playing Pokemon after 20 years. I haven't bought a single Pokemon game since dexit was announced

>hate to defend
>defends still
bortie moment

>720648391
yawnie /v/ is too civilized for your bait

this kills the bortie lie

Lel

>720648982
>HAVING 1/16 MORE SOLD COPIES MEANS XY IS BETTER!!!
Meds yawnie.

>>720637889 (OP)
I understand getting mad over bananza and legends za DLC but i'm also seeing niggers calling wonder and kirby dlc "cut content" like you're just complaining about DLC costing money at this point

>>720652068
Those upgrade scams are worth getting mad over. Not the same flavor of shitty but shitty all the same, and none deserve to have excuses made for it

>>720637889 (OP)
Only in hindsight. Back in the day, the larger updates that weren't just patches were called expansions.

>>720637889 (OP)
MISSTAA MERRIKU YOU HAVU TOU SHRILL ON TWITTARU RIGHTA FUCKINGA NAOWU

>>720640053
I hate how aspergers people type.

>>720637889 (OP)
>DLC isn't cut content
there's an argument for it when it comes largely after a release, but it' BEFORE the release. They can just include the new megas before launch, but they're selling it to us instead.
So it's a piece of content that is planned for the game, and could be implemented prior to launch, but is purposefully NOT put in, in order to sell back to us.
So, it's cut content at worst and simply green unimplemented content at best, and that ain't much better

>>720638819
>her
you can find pictures of her pussy online, definitely a grill

>>720638794
Mew distribution events was literally gen 1

>>720637889 (OP)
the days of on disc DLC are basically dead now that theres literally nothing on the disks, but street fighter x tekken will always be the prime example of DLC that is just cut content. you can usually tell when DLC is actual cut content.

>>720640053
>paid shill
worse, he does it for free
he will agree with anything TPC does no matter what.
I remember when he wanted true size in SwSh and then when it wasn't in, instead of saying "damn, I wish it was in" or something, he actually completely reversed positions entirely and said "Uhm achutally it's a good thing true size isn't in, it'd look ridiculous for skitty to be fighting Hoopa Unbound!!!" then people spammed him with pictures of Wailord vs Skitty in Colosseum (which had true size)
Dude is legit not to be taken seriously on anything

>>720638686
No, that's a good thing actually.

>>720644197
>gym battles
lol
lmao even
>music
there is 1 song
>shiny legendaries
their main 3 legendary pokemon are shiny locked and Dynmax Adventures is still slower than just soft resetting in USUM

you're a gay retard

>>720637889 (OP)
With how fast Bananza DLC got showcased and released it sure feels like it.

real talk, there is literally no reason for there to even be 2 different versions of pokemon anymore and the fact that there still is is more insulting than the thought of "DLC" in pokemon games. they cut pokemon numbers down, then have the audacity to split the tiny pool of pokemon across 2 games with exclusive pokemon in each version, and niggas STILL fucking buy it. i stopped caring about this franchise before gen 8 but they already got rid of the 3rd games, just make it one fucking game. tiny differences do not justify 2 versions, and for the differences that do, just make them alternate fucking paths. god forbid an RPG have choices and multiple routes

>>720637889 (OP)
Why did his parents name him after the elephant man

>>720637889 (OP)
>Nintendo fanboys are behind the times!
No. A lot of Nintendo fanboys were happy that Nintendo (mostly) avoided modern industry bullshit. Granted, this company has almost always adopted scummy tactics, just with a 1-2 generation delay. Now, they're speed running the catch up, and in some ways, they're leading the charge on fucking consumers over.

>>720644094
Fromtrannies were too busy raping you in the ass to pog face over a horse.

>>720638819
>>720639296
>>720654110
Damn shame about her build and face, then.

>>720637889 (OP)
Sometimes yes, sometimes no. If there's a panel with buttons on the UI but it's only half filled and the new DLC puts a button there it's probably cut content.

>>720637889 (OP)
Videogame reviews should treat it as such

>>720654805
we don't sign our posts here

>>720637889 (OP)
It's amazing how every single opinion by Joe "related to the elephant man" Merrick is wrong or deflecting. There isn't a bigger pokeshill on the planet than Joe

How is it cut content if it hasn't been made yet?

>>720637889 (OP)
Depends.
In case of TWW its more like "we will be adding content bit by bit because there is a lot of it to add". And Warhammer Fantasy has still some for all races and factions.
It simply is a ton of work here.
>>720640030
>>720640101
So wholesome.

It's bad

>>720639943
>forgot the actual term
Certified

>>720637889 (OP)
MISUTA MERIKKU, ZA FANS AR COMPREININGGU AGAIN.. GETTU ON TWITTER AN DEFEND IT OR YU NO WAT WIRRU HAPPEN...

I'll cut your content

>>720637889 (OP)
>Is DLC cut content?

Sometimes. And you can tell when it is cut content.

>>720637889 (OP)
sad to see what this cuck turned into.

NS2 cartridges are crazy expensive, it'll go down in price but given that third parties will mostly use gamekeys it won't go down significally most likely. I think that's one reason why we're seeing a $20 expansion to DKB, the price itself is nothing unusual but getting additional content is. If Nintendo wanted to do that to SMO they could have but didn't but those cartridges were way cheaper.

Pokémon should die