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What future holds for the Zelda franchise?

Continuing to be degraded into a corporate product praised only by normalfags with zero love for the series.

Should I play TOTK?
I completed BOTW when it came out and havent touched it since

>>720640079 (OP)
What can we do in the face of Anouma at the peak of his power?

>genius
>peak of his power

What's aonuma's power level?

>>720640215
>>720640431
>>720640721
cope seethe and dial8

>>720640758
Didn't you hear, it's at the peak of his power.

why can't they build a fresh new IP instead of riding on the coattails of OoT?

In retrospect, Zelda is a 50-50 franchise to me. I hate as many Zelda as I like. I like OOT, TP, SS and BOTW, and hate ALTTP, MM, WW and TOTK.

>>720640839
But can he beat goku thou?

>>720640758
maximum

>>720640758
peak

>>720641109
Yes.

>>720640812
>buzzword buzzword buzzword

>>720640758
golden goddesses level

>>720641462
holy that's peak indeed

>>720640079 (OP)
https://web.archive.org/web/20230607195831/https://www.washingtonpost.com/arts-entertainment/2023/05/20/eiji-aonuma-zelda-tears-kingdom-producer/

Article is from two years ago and you might call it a fluff piece... because all it's doing is jerking him off

Still don't know why botw makes pc and sony fans so upset. Is it because their platforms lack of truly great games?

the same map again

>>720640079 (OP)
By making it a minecraft clone with battle royal mixed together. Then patent those and sue epic and fortnite and Microsofts minecraft for it.

>>720640079 (OP)
*The hack that ruined Zelda

Hopefully he leaves then somebody that gives a fuck comes in and fixes the series.
Series absolutely fell off starting with WW starting with timeline splits and forcing the player to stop all fucking momentum to collect some dumb shit in every following game

>>720642956
This. We are still in the opening phases of the behemoth known as Zelda.

He peaked with Majora's Mask (the game he doesn't like and is embarrassed over)

I liked all the games
Link is like the Goku of video games

>>720641380
buzzword is also a buzzword so you are part of the problem

>>720640079 (OP)
Well if this idiot dies soon then maybe zelda can be salvaged.

>>720640215
>>720640431
>>720640721
You dare to question the power of the genius senior? YOU ARE COURTING DEATH!

>>720648129
wrong country

>>720640079 (OP)
Lmao.
Good one. We all know who the real mastermind was.

yeah the peak of his power is giving up on designing a game and creating a sandbox instead

>>720640758
its over 9000

>>720640079 (OP)
When will journos stop treating Aonuma as anything more than the hack that he is? All he's ever done is flounder and fuck up this series. The future of Zelda is to continue to rot after he blew its brains out and duct taped the skin to ubislop.

>>720654924
Cope

>>720657264
no u

>>720654924
When will /v/ fags start to realize that it's not only Aonuma's fault. TWW and TP were Miyamoto approved; SS, BotW, TotK were directed by Fujibayashi. At all times, several people have contributed to each outcome.

>>720640079 (OP)
Aonuma is the biggest hack. fuck him

>>720640079 (OP)
>Aonuma
>genius
all his games are shit. WW and TP are low tier zelda games and Miyazaki made him irrelevant, miyazalo is the actual genius

the peak of his power is a rehash?

>>720659630
Yes, we know, Aonuma didn't make every game literally all by himself. He's still the director and the consistent link between the series going downhill once he took over.

>>720640079 (OP)
these are the same journos who think nobody understands how TotK's gameplay is possible

>>720640079 (OP)
couldn't possibly care less. at least we can get some comfort knowing he and Miyamoto don't have much gas left. maybe the next nigger who takes over won't be as retarded

>>720640079 (OP)
Aonuma made the series a joke. He's a disgrace

>>720640568
well it was good until completing the second temple or dungeon or w/e the fuck kids call them these days. It wanted me to go to uh, i don't remember where, but it wanted me to wait to do the gerudo one last and i was like naw nigga i wanna see the hot black chicks that are dick starved so i went there

and it got SUPER boring REAL fast. I haven't touched it in 2-3 months and i don't know why. Went from 10 out of 10 to 0 real quick. maybe the novelty wore off

>>720641792
>Before joining Nintendo, Aonuma had never even touched a video game. He grew up without toys, so he would create his own, sometimes tying tree branches together. The men in his family were carpenters, and he was on track to continue a version of that work, earning a master’s degree in composition design for marionettes.

>every carpenter that has appeared in Zelda has been Big Gay

>>720640079 (OP)
He's been a mistake for the series

Serious question: why has the Western hemisphere of the gaming industry failed to make their own Zelda? That is, an endearing lite-fantasy series that people still love after nearly 40 years and show no signs of stopping the crave for more content/games/any form of media.
There aren't even any shameless or blatant rip-offs, no less inspired games, when the elements for making such a game are just sitting there.

aonumale

>>720640079 (OP)
Dude I thought this was sam hyde from a glance

Retirement for this fucker hopefully. I want this GTA shit out of my Zelda

>>720640079 (OP)
>Genius
>Behind Zelda

>>720665081
>Serious question: why has the Western hemisphere of the gaming industry failed to make their own Zelda?
It's called TES, retard.

>>720640079 (OP)
>genius behind zelda
More like the retard that ruined it. I bet Miyamoto must hate his guts behind the scenes.

>>720665081
Soul Reaver and Darksiders are basically 3D Zelda games. Darksiders is just really mid, while SR has unfortunately, been forgotten.

>>720640079 (OP)
Breeding minigame where you engage in eugenics for the best Link possible. Based on the parents' attributes and race you can get different Links to play as so each playthrough is different

>>720665998
>TES
How's that franchise going, btw?

I have completely given up on this series I don't care what happens to it anymore. I realized a long time ago Nintendo would never make anything worthwhile again once the N64 era was over.

>>720666819
Good.

>>720640079 (OP)
played OoT for the first time in a very long time last year. was fun but you can really tell what parts of it have aonuma's stink on it.
just unreal how out of all the people who worked on zelda up to that point, it was this retard that got the reins to series. did he see something he wasn't supposed to in the bathhouse?

>>720667319
>just unreal how out of all the people who worked on zelda up to that point, it was this retard that got the reins to series. did he see something he wasn't supposed to in the bathhouse?
It's literally because of MM.

You guys are too harsh. Even NuZelda is pretty good at it's peak. Unfortunately it barely outshines the rest of the open world boredom shait

>>720667067
>I have completely given up on this series
Same. I thought 2D Zelda could at least be spared from Aonuma’s hackery and influence, but, nope, even Echoes of Wisdom had his taint all over it. The man just absolutely detests the Zelda formula and will do everything in his power to shut it down whenever he sees it. What’s crazy to me is seeing supposed “Zelda fans” defending this nonsense. Makes me believe that a lot of them are just secondaries that didn’t get into the series until BotW. Best I can hope for now is remasters. Zelda is dead.

>>720640079 (OP)
>Aonuma
>Genius
https://youtu.be/PhBUTjcP9a8
Still relevant.

>>720667921
>250 tendie dislikes
You love to see it.

>>720667848
>echoes of wisdom was originally supposed to have traditional top down zelda combat but was changed to the summoning garbage because aonuma didn’t think the old combat system was innovative enough
I rage so fucking hard just thinking about this. I’ve never hated a game designer as much as I hate this fucking hack.

>>720667319
>was fun but you can really tell what parts of it have aonuma's stink on it.
which parts?

>>720667848
>>720668294
Keep seething. Zelda's "downfall" is and always will be Miyamoto. It's his miniature garden design that is part of every Nintendo game ever. All new Zelda lacks is the "theme park" design, dungeons that progress your abilities and enforce new puzzles.

>>720668573
when was the last time miyamoto was personally involved in a zelda's development? TP near the end of development where he came in and helped unfuck the second half of the game?

>>720667091
Sure thing, buddy.

>>720668713
You deluded fuck, Miyamoto's DNA has infected every single designer at Nintendo. He doesn't need to be directly involved to enforce his game design philosophy.

>>720668880
yap yap yap

>>720640568
Enough is different from BOTW that it's able to be called its own game but on the other hand I actually don't think enough of what's different is *better.* I don't want them to do the Gmod stuff again, it doesn't fit Zelda and should have been shuffled off into its own sandbox game instead.

The themed dungeons show they also didn't really "get" the complaints about the Divine Beasts. The Divine Beasts themselves are better and more thought-out dungeons (Riju's Spirit Temple knockoff excepted, but I could feel the developers screaming out for permission to have an actual Mirror Shield that they didn't get, only stapling mirrors to a normal shield) but the TOTK dungeons have actual themes behind them.

The sandboxy structure to story cutscenes and flashbacks didn't really work for BOTW and it REALLY doesn't work for TOTK.

>>720669176
That's the problem. Everyone demanded themed dungeons, but what we need is dungeon ability/item progression. They can't give us all the tools at the tutorial, we need complicated puzzle box maze dungeons that utilize new game mechanics. That's the core of dungeon design.

>>720667848
>Best I can hope for now is remasters.
You really don't want those. They'll fuck them up like they fucked up Majora and Ocarina on the 3DS.
>But those are remakes
Same thing, classic games that are fucked up and fucked with.

>>720669392
OoT3D just had fucked up lighting and atmosphere. MM3D was completely fucked, but Nerrel's video got enough views that Nintendo must be aware of the complaints.

>>720669341
I'm honestly not sure why they've been chasing the nonlinearity dragon for more than a decade now, it massively degraded the quality of A Link Between Worlds in particular.

>>720669085
>>720669678
you are the same person and you are loser. no matter tendie or snoy.

>>720640079 (OP)
Maybe some good fucking games again, finally.

>>720669795
He's gone on record saying he was tired of it. Not sure why people can't see the team was bored of doing the same lock and key format since OoT. Botw and Totk are only two games. Yes, they took longer to develop but the physics system is probably more FUN to make than shoot eye ball, push block, hook shot target for the 50th time.

>>720669795
Non-linearity isn't really the problem, ALttP and OoT aren't entirely linear either in dungeon order. But obviously storytelling went completely to shit.

>>720640079 (OP)
On one hand, I kinda wanna see Aonuma get booted. On the other, I fear for future Zelda games' development being helmed entirely by Fujibayashi.

>>720640758
530,000
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-33SkD_tnw

The solution is simple. Make Koizumi in charge of the story and Aonuma relegated to dungeons. When you put both of them on their own you get shit like Sunshine and WW.

>>720669993
those older games shouldn't have been rushed if he was that tired of it, WW and TP are notoriously unfinished

>>720670421
OoT sold 8 million and the GameCube was underperforming. The "A rushed game is forever bad" quote is hypocrisy.

>>720669816
You will never be a real woman and Aonumale will never produce a real Zelda.

>>720670421
Moreso WW I think, as he came out and apologized for the back half of said game. TP was more on the overworld IIRC. But still these games are pretty well liked. If /v/ is to be believed then the last great Zelda games was 25 years ago (MM). In reality, the only divisive big Zelda games in that time are SS and TotK.

>>720670797
even skyward sword in that regard i think if fi was less talkative and the hamfisted motion controls weren't present it would've been thought of as an OK entry

>>720670926
Didn't they dial both of those back for the remaster?

>>720671017
fi was made less talkative, motion controls are still present and work with the right joycon but the sword can also be aimed with the right stick instead for non-motion controls

moreso that skyward sword doesn't actually do anything with the sword that couldn't have been accomplished with the ocarina of time swordsmanship system, chop/slice/diagonal/stab and spin attack

>>720671017
They did, but the pacing is still kinda fucked. It's better but in a 7/10 way. In my view the only truly bad Zelda games are the DS (PH and ST) ones but even those have their fans, and Zelda is cute in ST so there's that.

>>720640079 (OP)
1) The genius behind zelda was the man who directed Zelda 1, LTTP and LA which was Takashi Tezuka.
2) Aonuma hasn't been involved with Zelda since 2006.
>>720640568
It's basically a DLC add-on for BOTW where you can now glue bits of junk together to create larger bits of junk.

>>720640079 (OP)
as long as he keeps iterating on the current design MO of Tears of the Kingdom then we're in great hands

>>720640079 (OP)
>aonuma
>genius behind zelda
uh...genius behind turning zelda into ootslop for two decades maybe.

>>720640568
Yes, and dont listen to anyone saying to pick one or the other, they are vastly different and each have their strengths but totk just ends up being more robust. A lot of the "its more of the same" people seem to be speds with 2k hours in botw who had been playing it for 6 years straight before getting totk.
Also dont be a fag that grinds for batteries then goes online to copy the hoverbike build, unless that kinda shit specifically interests you, you are literally just putting effort into ruining your own fun.

>>720640079 (OP)
>genius behind zelda
>aonuma
Journos are such worthless 'people.'

Bring back dungeons instead of this easter egg hunt openworld for autistic people.

>>720672157
tezuka is a pillar, but dont be a fag and undersell miyamoto, his autismo approach to game design is the reason why the games were so unique.
Its actually a shame that he doesnt care as much about that anymore, reading interviews I swear, the last time he stopped anyone from doing something stupid was when he told osawa to stop focusing on the story of oot and write better characters.

>>720640079 (OP)
Funny enough I feel like they could do a remake, like an actual remake not just redo all the graphics, of Majora's Mask and it'd be amazing. Like flesh out the world, add another dungeon or two, etc.

>>720673724
Nintendo hates Majora's Mask unironically.

>>720673692
>dont want to do a thing, I was to be given the illusion of doing a thing
You 100% have a yearly pass to disney world.

>>720673880
Yeah for some reason the nip bureaucracy crap has always plagued Zelda. Both MM and WW were rushed as fuck. There are more unfinished rooms than finished rooms for Wind Waker and an entire dungeon was scraped because
>FAST FAST FAST GO GO GO RUSH IT RUSH IT RUSH IT

>>720674142
>always
nah, they got a stupid amount of time for totk
>mm
the rushing of that was fine though, because it kept them from trying to just do oot part 2, which would have been gay
>ww
after playing the HD version I have to say, its better than it was, but their original plans for it sound awful, and I think again, the time restrictions helped them from going overboard.
It is fucking weird though only having the two sages.

TP really seems like the only game that was really punished by nintendo, botw didnt feel that way until you realize that totk was basically the game they were intending to make, and SS doesnt seem to be hurt or helped at all by it.

>>720675431
The original plan for WW was an extra temple before you go under the water (so four temples) and then you'd explore Hyrule and slowly wake up different parts. So it would have the Kokoriko forest and goron zone etc. etc. as you'd slowly wake it all up

>>720670203
>Solo-Fujibayashi LoZ
>When Zelda’s not on screen everyone should be asking “Where’s Zelda?”

>>720675750
Wonder if that would still have the FUCK HYRULE BURN IT ALL TO THE GROUND ending

>>720676720
Its perfect yeah. Being able to wake up and seeing all of Hyrule only to bitter sweetly let it go.That's the whole theme

Aonuma doesn't understand Zelda. He hates MM. He said OoT had too much blood. He said it would be interesting to add tech to Zelda.

>>720640568
It's one of the best open world games ever made, so yes you should play it

>>720677267
He also said Wind Waker is his favorite Zelda game.

>>720640079 (OP)
koizumi and aonuma need to switch spots

>>720640568
>I completed BOTW when it came out and haven't touched it since

Then your memory is likely foggy and there are definitely enough changes in TOTK to justify at least one playthrough.

>>720640615
>What does the scouter say

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SiMHTK15Pik

>>720641867
BOTW and TOTK respect the player's intelligence and don't treat them like a retard by holding their hand excessively like other open world games did.

>>720670381
>sunshine
I'm pretty sure the idea for that was miyamoto trying to modernise mario into semi realistic locations like sonic adventure did

koizumi's studio did galaxy, 3d world, 3d land, odyssey, so the issue isn't koizumi

Why did Aonuma take his wife's name? He used to be Eiji Onozuka.

>>720677267
None of them do. From OP's article
>“We are always striving to create surprise,” said “Tears” director Hidemaro Fujibayashi, who focused on the nuts and bolts and is considered a potential successor to producer Aonuma, whose role is more big-picture. “That is the drive, … that is what perhaps Zelda is.”

and

>As a wood carver, “when I would connect things and glue them together, I was always very picky about not seeing glue where those joints were, and I would always wipe that way, because that really got on my nerves,” Aonuma said. “The staff really made an appeal to me. … There’s a part of me that feels like I want to wipe that glue away and make things look a little bit more neat and tidy. But in the end, they were right. Being able to clearly see where the objects you’re connecting are put together makes this kind of gameplay fit well and in line with the ethos of Zelda.”
>The “ethos of Zelda” focuses on such new, unexpected concepts of play — even as many other modern games prioritize story, like TV and film do. With “Tears,” at “the beginning of development, there really isn’t a story,” Fujibayashi said. “Once we got to the point where we felt confident in the gameplay experience, that’s when the story starts to emerge.”

>>720640079 (OP)
I want them to make a real zelda game again

>>720678891
>hates based and tradpilled games like OoT (seriously, thematically it’s a very right wing game.)
>why would he take his wife’s last name
Hmm, I wonder…

>>720678395
Because it's his baby. WW was his first Zelda that either wasn't working partially on OoT or an already premade game like Ura Zelda aka MM.

>>720680867
Also his wife's son was born during the production of it

>>720679950
As long as it's not unfinished like WW or uninspired like TP.

>>720640079 (OP)
>next 3D Zelda might be Aonuma's last
[GREAT NEWS!] That said, by the time one without his involvement comes out I might be too old to care.

>>720677267
>Zelda becomes more anime once Aonuma takes over.
God I hate him.

>>720659630
>TWW and TP
>Miyamoto approved
He hated Toon Link AND Wolf Link.

We've seen nothing from the Zelda team since Tears ans they didn't even bother with DLC. They better have something spectacular and new, and nearly ready to go when we finally see something.

>>720683348
Didn't miyamoto hate LA too?

>>720683348
and both were Aonuma creations.

>>720683450
It's just gonna be more of what we've been getting from the past 10 years or so, unless you liked all of it I don't care anymore. Tears made me stop buying Nintendo games altogether.

>>720640079 (OP)
>director on good 3D Zelda games: Oot, MM, WW, TP
>not director for dark age of 3D Zelda: SS, botw, totk
remind me why I should hate him. fujibayashi is responsible for the current state of Zelda.

>>720640758
it's over 900 korok seeds

>>720640914
>riding on the coattails of OoT?
how the fuck is it riding on the coattails of Oot? we WISH it was. it's gone in a completely retarded direction.

>>720640996
hate is a strong word, isn't it? do we really HATE the game, or hate what did they did with it? I hate what SS, botw, and totk did to the formula, but I don't hate the game. are zelda fans this extremist?

>>720644740
a lot of what made MM special is probably attributed to Koizumi. they need to work together again.

>>720644908
he stopped being director after TP and yet everyone blames him instead of fujibayashi. until we know the exactly contributions between a director and producer, it makes no sense that all the blame is always put on aonuma.

>>720650942
They need to put aside their differences and work together again.

>>720650659
can't believe I've never seen this gem after all these years.

>>720660673
he has not been fucking director since TP. BLAME FUJIBAYASHI

>>720683348
Miyamoto quit directing games way too fucking early. The last game he directed was Mario 64 in 1996, the first and last 3D game he would ever direct, just 11 years after the inception of the Super Mario Bros. series.

>>720683450
Tears was 2 years ago. Zelda takes way too long nowadays but now is not the time to say something about it. Thank God it didn't get DLC, the game itself is already fucking DLC.

>>720640079 (OP)
im convinced that the only people that hate aonuma are oot zealots. every time they shit on him and you ask them why, they always say that its because he's responsible for how all of the zelda games after oot came out. and why is that a problem? because they arent oot. other franchises have sequels with big gimmicks, but nobody gives a shit or singles out anyone. no, the only problem is that the games arent EXACTLY like oot.

>>720683348
>>720683601
Miyamoto doesn't hate Wolf Link, but Aonuma has said in a presentation that when he told him the idea, Miyamoto's response was "lol fucking dumbass it's hard enough animating two legged characters and you want to go for four lmao"

>>720640079 (OP)
>Peak of his power
Eiji Aonuma only showed his "power" when he was forced to make Twilight Princess.

>>720668520
they'll never tell you, because that would be like admitting that their precious game isnt perfect. its all made up "headcanon".

I love Kass!

If anything, OoT/MM romhacks look promising.

>>720685281
What the fuck was his problem

>>720676487
That was already ToTK though

TEARS OF KANG
Waited years for this new game
TEARS OF KANG
But it looks exactly the same
TEARS OF KANG
Get to climb the same old mountain range
TEARS OF KANG
And traverse fields with same enemies
*I go to a menu every time I need to fuse

>>720686068
Miyamoto had to jump in halfway through because Aonuma was drowning with Minish Cap, Phantom Hour Glass, and TP development.

>>720670381
It's actually funny how they ended up making beach themed games immediately after they parted ways, Sunshine is goofily serious for a Mario game and Wind Waker looks like a Zelda parody

>>720687318
Can already tell you which two out of those three he was actually concerned about.

>>720640079 (OP)
Hopefully less BOTW and TOTK and more OOT and MM

>>720687540
Eiji Aonuma has spoken
You only like OoT and MM because of nostalgia.

>>720640568
Yeah, i was in the same boat as you and enjoyed it well enough.
I personally prefer ToTK since i enjoy physics puzzles, it has better dungeons and such. But the fact that you have to fuse all your weapons with items to get anything decent is annoying. At first it's neat since you feel like you have so many options, but it quickly wears down when you realize its limits, and often you will return to tarrey town to decouple rare monster horns and gemstones from your damaged weapons.

>>720684537
Fuji has made three 3D Zelda games and they all run off the same plot, he doesn't get nearly as much shit as he deserves.

>>720685943
I don't understand, Aonuma was also one of the directors of Oot, and he was "director" for all the Oot-formula Zelda games, it wasn't until SS that Fujibayashi became director.

>>720692097
It baffles me that Fuji goes completely ignored. You would think the people that read about development and interviews and such would put two and two together. I think it's because Aonuma is always front and center every time something Zelda-related is presented or it's an interview. He's the producer, is the director not more directly responsible for the direction of a game? They just Aonuma on there because he's more well known and more presentable or something.

>>720689709
Nintendo saw all the criticism about durability and excessive menu use and decided to double down, now you have to open your menu, drop monster parts on the floor, open the menu to switch to fuse, pinpoint each item on the floor to fuse to your weapon, open the menu to switch to the next weapon, repeat. Also, open a menu for every single shot of a fire arrow or any other arrow. Insane.

>>720692662
Fuybayashi may be driving but Aonuma still made the car they're sitting in.

>>720692831
The moment I saw a ruby pasted on a sword instead of a cool ruby-colored sword, I knew this game was going to have the same problems as BotW. It's worse because you NEED to fuse weapons in order to deal any decent damage.

>>720692994
Oot, MM, WW, TP good Zelda games directed by Aonuma
SS, botw, ToTk fake, mediocre Zelda games directed by Fuji
It's not that complicated.

>>720640079 (OP)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PhBUTjcP9a8&list=RDPhBUTjcP9a8&start_radio=1

>>720693328
OOT had five directors.
MM had two directors.
WW is literally unfinished and began the trend of Zelda being linear to a fault. This one isn't entirely his fault as the game was rushed to completion to try and save the Gamecube's launch window.
He went hands off during TP.
I don't care if we agree that Fuji is/will be worse, you are not presenting things honestly.

>>720678395
Last I heard his favorite is Phantom Hourglass purely because his wife actually likes that one.

>>720692252
Aonuma was the dungeon guy during OOT. And he should've stayed the dungeon guy, because he did good work there.

>>720668294
>>720667848
Reminder that EoW is the most popular 2d Zelda and only salty console warriors hate it because they can't play it on their steam decks

>>720685943
>im convinced that the only people that hate aonuma are oot zealots
Most of "people" who hate him and botw never even played Zelda games.

>>720692831
They could've at least turned the d-pad menus into a proper grid format instead of limiting you to the x-axis, but nope. Gotta scroll through fucking everything.

>>720640079 (OP)
>genius
>Zelda
pick one