Thread 720682771

>game forces you to kill to proceed, with no other alternative
>calls you a monster

>>720682771 (OP)
This game could have been actually amazing instead of pretentious shit if there were actual alternative options. Even better if they weren't highlighted or very obvious so in a first playthrough almost everyone would be a monster.

>>720682771 (OP)
>no other alternative
theres always an alternative.

>>720682771 (OP)
Meanwhile, every other game
>game forces you to kill to proceed, with no other alternative
>calls you a hero

>>720682771 (OP)
>>720682970
It's just a post-modern take on the average TPS game where you have no other choice but to kill everyone to proceed, only this time the game acknowledges it, don't take everything so personally

inb4
>ERM ACTUALLY IT'S TALKING ABOUT WALKER NOT (YOU) CHUD

>>720682771 (OP)
Fallout 3 beginning was bullshit, it was self defense bitch.

>>720683109
The deconstruction would be a hundred times more effective if you were given the chance to act like a normal human instead of an action movie protagonist. Even just giving an alternate ending to the start where you have the ability to actually follow your orders would be enough.

>>720683134
But I like being the bad guy.
CoD game where I play as the IDF when?

WE HAVE THIS THREAD EVERY SINGLE FUCKING WEEK/MONTH SHUT THE FUCK UP YOU STUPID SPAMMING COCKSUCKER, FUCK OFF!!

>>720682771 (OP)
>I was just following le orders!
>I'm not a good goy!

>>720683274
His orders were to see if anyone was alive and then leave

>>720683248
Seriously, I see this thread literally every single fucking day at this point. Either it's a broken bot, or a zoomer that wasn't around to talk about the game when it first released.

>>720683337
I wouldnt know, I havent played it kek

>>720682970
That's not the point of the game. It's basically a look at the protagonist's self-purgatory (because he fucked up).

>>720683215
The game does have different endings depending on your choices though

>>720683385
Of course, you don't play video games.

>>720682771 (OP)
>and I don't care

>>720683391
The point of the game is to make (You) the player feel bad for playing it so that "media literate" redditors can constantly jerk off over it for all time

>>720683134
9/10 games are not like this

>>720683470
I dont play shitty games

>>720683430
The only choice that impacts the ending is at the very end. Nothing else has any impact at all.

>>720682771 (OP)
Don't worry, anon, you were just following orders.
Soldiers are supposed to be heroes, and you bought your war simulator to make you feel good, as you should in a war.

>>720682970
Nah, the game is downright niggerish. The devs basically saying "we made this to trick poor people whose grandmas thought they were buying the new cowadooty" is scummy, the devs also had this weird fetish with pretending they were above video game violence while still using it as a vehicle to progress the game.
Pseuds pretend there is 0 moral critique placed into the players lap, but the Dev interviews indicate 100% otherwise

>>720683545
I substitute your reality with mine

>>720683248
Glowniggers' interns have nothing better to do.

>>720683781
One in which is ok to rape your sister, I'd guess?

>>720683545
I like Kinkade but what the fuck is this retard talking about. Kinkade made cozy paintings of houses in the countryside, he's like Bob Ross, his paintings weren't transgressive

>you killed thousands of lives!
>i don't care, i just want my only family back

>>720682970
The hidden morality system of metro does it well enough and I don't think it was trying that hard

>>720683917
You might be shocked to learn that the Spec Ops devs were complete retards

The gay story is a cope for the fact that the devs weren't able to pull off the cool sand mechanics they promised....or multiplayer

>>720683898
Who is asking? Dicklets like you wouldn't rape shit

>>720682771 (OP)
>game calls you a monster
>agree with it

>>720683993
>genetic purity
This isn't about spec ops is it? You play an obviously not very white guy with a Mexican and a black, what the fuck is he talking about?

>>720683993
>If you follow orders in a video game you're like the Nazis in real life
I lost brain cells reading this

You could have fired into the air to scare off the crowd instead of firing into it, you fucking psychopath.

>>720684146
Source is Significant Zero: Heroes, Villains, and the Fight for Art and Soul in Video Games. This section is an interview with the Spec Ops devs.

>>720684149
Yep.

>>720684149
You look at what America and its citizens have been doing to almost every other country for the past century and start to get that mentality. The genetic purity stuff is bullshit though.

>>720684228
Okay but what about Spec ops has anything to do with genetic purity? Is it just strawgrasping about how a formerly primarily white nation is at war with a primarily brown nation?

>>720684308
I don't remember what the exact context was.

>>720683993
Oh my god I am enlightened by this....wisdom.

>>720683715
LIQUID!

>>720683391
No, the devs went out of their way to FORCE you to be a dickhead since playtesters would always try to go for the morally good option. So, they just removed any choice in the matter, because UR EVIL

Modern warfare did a better job at highlighting the horrors of war and grey morality in wartime. Spec ops plays like the devs only heard about modern warfare in passing and didn't know anything about the story. The fact that a billion dudebros missed the point or that the game is fun to play is completely beside the point.

>>720682771 (OP)
Uhhhhh you could just not play the game!
>Okay give me a refund
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO YOU CAN'T DO THAT!!!!!!!!!!!

>>720682771 (OP)
The game is not calling (You) a monster, it is the calling the character a monster. I know this might be hard to understand for a few people, but (You) are not the character in the screen.

>>720682771 (OP)
Isn't that just what the military does to their grunts whenever it's the most politically expedient thing to do?

>>720683248
Since you noticed that, maybe you're online too much

>>720684960
Read the thread retardo, that's pseud cope. The devs themselves say "Walker and the player are one in the same"

>>720682970
Walker's big fatal flaw from the get-go was that he was personally chose to keep going, when he was supposed to simply leave and report back to base at the start.

They could have given the player the option to do that, but I was never personally a big fan of games where two options are presented and one just results in the game ending, immediately prompting you to reload and take the other choice. If one is the obvious path to progress the actual intended story, than why pretend that we're supposed to be able to do otherwise?

>To progress through the story, you need to fall for a very obvious trap
WOOOOOOOOOOOW THERE WAS NOTHING I CAN DO

>>720685268
Spec devs tried this and quickly realized their thesis on evil gamers falls apart when you give them an out, and 90% of players are carebears seeking the morally good option, hence why that first engagement where the brown people are yelling at you, if you stand still and do nothing they eventually will just start fucking shooting at you

>>720684960
I believe in The Death of the Author in fiction myself but the game straight up shits on you in the loading screen.
The complains are not uncalled for.

>>720683545
>>720683993
was it the scenario writer or the main dialogue writer who was being interviewed

>>720685268
They wouldn't need to present it upfront at all, just allow the player to turn around and leave after that first encounter with locals that establishes people are still alive

>>720685779
So you can ignore what Walker is actually saying he wants to do so you can backtrack for a fade-to-black Easter egg?

>>720685779
>TFW soulless Ubisoft devs can do it
>TFW indiesloppers can do it
>TFW a bunch of gay fucked SUBVERSIVE swedes cant
Far Cry 4 has more to say about voluntary evil than Spec Ops

>>720682771 (OP)
The devs are total retards with their "message" but I liked that the game had a lot of little details like Walker's lines going from
>Lugo, take out that one
to
>KILL THAT PIECE OF SHIT MOTHERFUCKER OVER THERE

>>720686051
You'll never be rogue warrior
https://youtu.be/sc7eLZqvwZM?si=hLvNNH0mhdYFChUt

>game is boring
>chest high wall shooting gallery segment#191958
>quit game
I guess I win

>worse gunplay than Matt Hazard
No thanks

>>720685962
I don't recall Walker saying anything about pressing on until after the point where you go to investigate the distress signal. The divergence point could have easily been after the first combat is over but before you keep going to investigate that signal.

The best scenario is actually just leaving the game on at the start forever. Since that creates all the NPCs but none of them die. Turning the game off deletes everyone so it’s mass genocide

I saw this game more like how the minds of people can deteriorate during war rather than the devs trying to personally attack me.
If you look at it this way the story works quite well. However with the indetended approach, they really should have made alternative endings where you could abandon the campaign early (like it was originally implemented) so their narrative would have more substance to it.

>>720684206
The crowd chose to become combatants the moment they attacked a member of the armed forces. Combatant status is not something fluid that can be toggled on and off at convenience.
They committed a war crime by mistreating a wounded soldier and executing him without any proper trial. Everyone in that crowd is guilty of carrying out or participating in several war crimes while actively threatening you.
Shooting them was justified.

>>720682771 (OP)
>>720682970
You can literally stop playing at any time. The game even tells you this.

In fact, it's kind of the entire point of the game you colossal retard.

>>720682771 (OP)
fun shooter 9/10

>>720689407
How difficult is the FUBAR cheevo?

>>720689993
I don't remember having a ton of difficulty with it, stick to cover and grind it out