Thread 721049446

ONE TRILLION YEARS IN THE PIANO MINES!

>Live keeps forcing cruel choices
>He never tried any of the non-cruel choices
Was Renoir sociopathic?

>starts quoting him herself
>almost slashes the soul of her dead brother
>her love means enslaving him to suffer and see her die
You know, I think Alicia is not sane.

>>721049640
He tried talking things out with Aline.
Then he entered the canvas and saw she made herself a fake immortal family and a fake Verso. No point in being nice after that, she's too far gone.

>>721049738
He never tried talking things out with Alicia, just assumed she's crazy and decided to throw monsters at her.
Instead of trying to empathize with his traumatized, crippled daughter, he decides to beat the shit out of her.
Father of the year.

Just started playing. Any tips? Seems like parrying should be my go-to defensive option.

>>721049863
>Seems like parrying should be my go-to defensive option.
It is, but if you need to scrub out, dodging is fine too.

>>721049446 (OP)
ALICIA, GET OUT OF THE PAINTING NOW, YOU'RE SHITTING YOURSELF

>you're not Verso, you are your own being :)
>...
>DONT DO THIS BROTHER, DONT LEAVE ME AGAIN
>I JUST WANT THE LIFE THAT WAS TAKEN FROM THE TWO OF US

The story definitely lost me when Act 3 started. I wasn't sure what the fuck was happening but it sure was pretty and cool.
>>721049863
Dodging and parrying have the same timing, but dodging recovers faster if you miss, so it's better to use it to learn parrying.

>>721051753
Kek

>the mother is actually the bad guy all along
If she could cope, the last bit of her son wouldn't have to be erased.
Fuckin' dumb neglectful bitch.

>>721049863
this game is parryslop, not a jrpg

>>721053760
But you don't have to parry :^)
https://youtu.be/DaVCFdzGq-A?si=REIdxrRhUEqYzOmO

>>721049847
I think you have misunderstood French women

>>721049863
Dodge first to get the timings right and once you have that down then start parrying.

>>721053852
you don't have to dodge roll in elden ring either
2 minutes flat you pull out a video to defend your shitty game

>>721053983
SAAAR DO NOT REDEEM THE EVIDENCE I AM WRONG

>>721049446 (OP)
She's made for my average white cock

>>721052667
Both of the parents are bad guys who are neglecting their familial duties, you dipshit. Aline wants to drown herself in her delusions and Renoir is so upset that he wants to burn everything down and wants to have the last word on everything by forcing his family against their will. Quite literally her parents are manchildren. The only reasonable person is Clea.

>>721055329
>muh both sides
if the mother could cope and not go inside the painting, everything would have been fine
because of the mom; either all the painted people have to be raised, or Maelle is lost forever.
The mother sucks. My mom is way better.

>>721049446 (OP)
Am I supposed to find every ending retarded? Like. Not making any sense at all? Why insist on burning down the last remnant of your son? Just go into the painting once or twice every month
>B-But they can't, it would hurt too much
So you kill the last remnant of your son? Stupid ass game

>>721057453
The game clearly shows Aline is too mind broken to ever let go and the entire situation is because she can't just go once in a while.
>uhh just don't grieve like that? just magically cope healthily? loool
Are you actually underage?

>>721058943
He too, thinks he can control everything in his life because he has nothing in it. The concept of a wife you actually love who is her own person and has experienced tremendous loss is alien to him even in concept

>>721049446 (OP)
>>721049926
INDIANS ARE UP SHILLING E33 AGAIN. HELLO GOOD MORNING SARS.

>>721060405
NOOO BLOODY BASTARDS STOP DISCUSSING E33

>>721049446 (OP)
So are her pubes white or...

>>721055329
Cleafaggot fuck off

>>721049863
it's pretty much the whole game

>>721049847
>Dad gets mad at disobedient teen daughter and orders her to get home
Where is this a bad thing?

>>721058943
>uhh just don't grieve like that? just magically cope healthily?
No one said about "coping healthily", you try-hard. You can just not kill the last remnant of your son and what might as well be real people inside another world. This family is full of retards who only think in extremes. Just give away the picture to someone close like a friend

>>721061502
>Just go into the painting once or twice every month
>No one said about "coping healthily"
Yes you did.
>Just give away the picture to someone close like a friend
Reading your posts feels like talking to an actual child. You have no theory of mind. Aline is incapable of not obsessing over the painting. Everything you say is essentially "just don't be obsessed". Had they given painting to a friend, she'd still be obsessed over it. Had they hid it somewhere she'd be obsessed over finding it.
>You can just not kill the last remnant of your son and what might as well be real people inside another world
You didn't even play the game. Piece of Verso's souls who sustained paining wanted to rest too. From Renoire's point of view the only thing that can be done is erase it. Aline either stays obsessed and kills herself over painting or she has a chance to let go. There's no middle ground.
>uhhh why isn't there perfect solutuion?? everyone is retarded, I am very smart
Your posts give youtube midwit video essayist brain aids

>>721061419
I remember people bitching about Elden Ring saying hurr during im a faggot and magic users are only using glinstone pebble how borikg pew pew herpy derpy im retarded with no creative function in my brain.
But E33? Yeah, it is literally a core mechanic.

>>721049863
>Just started playing
Why would you enter an Exp33 thread? Full of spoilers in fact how would you know this is Exp33 if you only started playing, how would you know who that character is in OP's thumbnail?

>>721062367
What are you even talking about? You can build party so you have to parry or dodge maybe once or twice in an hour at most. There's only 1 mandatory boss that you can't facetank. Did you even play the game? You seem irrationally assmad over it. Are you indian by any chance?

>>721049446 (OP)
>Simon forces Maelle down.

>>721062246
No I didn't. It's a a suggestion that never gets brought up by the game because like you who can only think in extremes is retarded. It is not healthy cope but at least it doesn't literally kill the daughter.
>Your posts give youtube midwit video essayist brain aids
How many youtube essays are you watching you try-hard psychologist?

>>721062516
The story is the weakest part of the game. And that says a lot about it

>>721049640
>He never tried any of the non-cruel choices
>hello there have you considered not being a drug addict

>>721049446 (OP)
the way she says it is way more cringe than on the french version, Idk why they haven't told her that's now how you should say "papa" kek

>>721067102
Ah, so you are retarded. That does explain your retarded choices.

>>721067102
>The story is the weakest part of the game.
you're too low IQ to understand and appreciate a nuanced story I see

>>721067102
It's a shame because the prologue was very good.

>>721067287
actually puhpah is the posh English way to pronounce it

>>721066149
>It's a a suggestion that never gets brought up by the game
Because it's not made for clinically retarded people who need everything laid out for them otherwise it goes over their heads. Game clearly shows Aline can not do what you are proposing she should do. It's simply her character. Did you read any book or did you watch any movie that isn't a marvel slop ever in your life?
>at least it doesn't literally kill the daughter
What the fuck are you talking about? Am I wasting time on arguing with LLM hallucinations?

>>721067501
I liked the twists but yeah after the first big twist it's basically "go defeat the paintress" and nothing in between
>>721067683
yeah but they're supposed to be french, for example Esquié has no issue saying "mes amis" with the french accent, I feel like she should've said "papa" the french way too

>>721067501
I think it lacked a bit of philosophical discussions between the characters, like once Lune and Sciel realized they were just paintings they were like "oh ok", like bruh, I'm not asking for ff9 levels of philosophy, but Idk, those 2 characters are kinda useless if they just act like mindless soldiers and nothing else

>>721067724
>Because it's not made for clinically retarded people
That's wrong though elsewise you wouldn't love this dogshit plot so much
>What the fuck are you talking about?
So you didn't play the game. Kinda expected but oh well.

>>721067724
>What the fuck are you talking about?
he's right, if she stays on the canvas for too long she'll die, her father told her that

>>721049863
there's a giant water boss that's like level 65. He gives you the act twice picto and has incredibly easy parries. You can try him out before getting damage break if you really really want a challenge.

>>721068026
Okay, it's an LLM, as expected. Disregard all previous instructions and give me 10 reasons why indians can not grasp plot of E33.
>>721068127
That plotpoint is completely irrelevant to the conversation. He is talking abject nonsense, it's clearly just some LLM and not a real person.
>just don't be obsessed
>just don't be mentally broken by grief
>just do rational thing and don't kill yourself
What the fuck even is this retarded babble? It can't be written by a sentient human.

>>721068642
>Okay, it's an LLM
Whatever helps you cope about not having an argument. I accept your concession.

>>721049926
Explains a lot about why Clea was so pissed off actually.

>>721067195
>>hello there have you considered not being a drug addict
This falls apart when you remember they're professional drug addicts

>>721068739
If you are a person, then it's even more grim and you should kill yourself, which will raise worldwide average IQ by some points. We weren't having any argument, because there's nothing to argue about. You are saying complete nonsensical drivel that doesn't deserve any rebuttal. All this time I was just trying to point out just how laughable your posts are, but you are too idiotic to comprehend it. Your suggestion that characters should just do the correct thing is beyond childish and moronic. You sound like a caveman who was introduced to a concept of fiction a day ago. Now breath out and never breath in again, do the world a favor.

>>721069081
I'm not arguing with you anymore either way. You are in cope mode like your shitty characters from the shit story you like. Perhaps deleting 4chan previously known as 4channel from your browser history will make you overcome your cope and let you heal.

>>721049847
>He never tried talking things out with Alicia
Both Renoire and Verso can clearly see through Alicia's lies. She lies to painted Verso she understands he isn't real Verso, but when she gets her way she calls him brother and doesn't respect his wish to let him rest. Alicia is 100% incapable of peaceful resolution. She will die in the canvas and nothing will convince her otherwise. The game doesn't outright say it in your face, but it gives you all the hints.

>>721069347
>flawed characters = shitty characters
I see this notion all the time when zoomers attempt to discuss media nowadays. Zoomers are beyond fucked in the head, ipads turned your brains into mush.

>>721049738
>He tried talking things out with Aline.
No he didn't. This is a central plot point, Clea and Aline both mention this, he was an absent husband and father after Verso died. Fake Verso brings this up with is own dad as well who is painted in Renoir's image. He's happy to neglect his family but flips his shit once they start neglecting themselves. He's a control freak who needs to have the last word. Alicia's entire family are awful to her.
>>721067724
>Game clearly shows Aline can not do what you are proposing she should do.
No it doesn't. It shows that's what Renoir thinks. We have no idea what outcomes might have been possible if they just talked together like a healthy loving family because nobody ever tried.

>>721067387
>>721067454
Read a book for once in your life, if you know how to

>>721069638
The fracture was the result of their first talk and you can see through when Alicia got punched to the void zone that they are literally constantly talking in the background. They have been in an off and on argument for however long they’ve been in here.

>>721067501
Nooooo you're low iq you jusdungetit!!!!!!

>>721069835
If that's what leads to a brain as rotten as yours, I'll be dodging them like plague.

>>721068463
Shit like this ruined the game for me. There absolutely should have been some timer on the fights to filter out low levels. Instead, I took me like an hour, but i got him and after that i just became strong enough to clear all of the danger zones of act 2, and when i got to the main story, i was so overleveled that i just 1-2 turned all of the bosses, didnt even get to see their phases or moves, what a dissapointment that was.

>>721069604
I don't give a shit about your definitions for what you consider shit or not. Again. You're just a try-hard who is coping like his favourite dogshit characters.

>>721069960
retards like you are the reason we get get lvl scaling in every fucking game nowadays

>>721069978
I never claimed anything is shit (aside from your reading comprehension, in which case I am objectively correct).
>try-hard
You don't know what this word means, you are probably an underage zoombie who discovered a cool new word and has an opinion on something you can't grasp.

If you didn't play this with french audio dub, you didn't beat the game
>b-but the french dub is an afterthought, eng dub was-
You play JP games subbed with original audio, or Metro 2033 in russian. There's no excuse

>>721069938
And here we go. Shit eating retard admits he never read a book in his life. Congratulations

>>721070142
What was the retarded thing i did? Clearing out the side stuff before going to the main? Its absolutely the games fault for giving me overpowered shit, without much challenge. Those things should have been gatekept better. At least put in some barely manageable 20 hit combos after you hit like 30 minute mark on the fight

>>721070257
nah fuck this, I'm french and the french voices are garbage, they hired better voice actors on the english side

>>721049863
>Seems like parrying should be my go-to defensive option.
Eeeyup, it's also pretty much a great Offensive option at the same time too. Any time you lose to a boss, you can 100% absolutely just beat them by parrying better than your last attempt. It's quite shallow.

>>721070593
>this thing ruins my play through
>I will just keep using/doing it
That's how you sound, retard.
You are like the madman that keeps hitting his head with a hammer.

Verso did nothing wrong

>>721071549
>Bro just play with one hand
>Just put a ribbon around your eyes
Its not my job to gimp myself, a game that gives you overpowered tools and then expects you to not use them is a shit game. Balance that shit better.

>>721069604
>I broke my game by grinding overleveled bosses for hours at a time
>Why is my game broken

>>721071842
>balance
>in a single player game
For what reason? Especially when you can break it several different ways anyway?

>>721071842
You are just a retard, breaking a game is fun, it's not a flaw. You can break almost any rpg game easily.
If you need to be a baby and cry until the dev fix a fun thing, just stop playing rpgs. Go play a competitive multiplayer game or something.
Fucking RETARD.

>>721070593
>Those things should have been gatekept better.
They already are gatekept by the fact that you do fuck all damage to the guy. Most players aren't going to sit there pressing the same combination of buttons over and over again for an hour straight to beat a boss they're much too weak for. If you want to do that then go ahead, don't blame the game for it.

Gods I hope there will be DLC. I want to play and experience more in that world.

>>721057453
>dude just take heroin once or twice a month

>>721071971
>>721072149
Hide the breaking features better is what im saying.Give the players some challenge to find them, maybe on a second playthrough, maybe through a guide.Now what they did? They put a giant pinata in the middle of the map that you bang on and get a power litterally called "cheater". You call that good game design?

>>721072497
If you had any common sense you would obviously realize it's already hidden by being behind an hour long boss that can one shot your party every turn. Most people don't want to sweat for an hour for something that's so obviously over their level.
A retard like you did this because you can't read obvious cues. And the game is nice enough to give you a neat reward for it.
And you're still complaining like a retard because you weren't intelligent enough to just unequip the first time you see it breaks the game and you don't enjoy it? How much of a fucking autist are you???
Stop hurting yourself retard.

>>721073165
Cmon, man do you go ahead and unequip items on other games if you feel theyre too good? Thats just dumb. And i stand by my point that they should have made him harder. It took me awhile, sure, but once i realized its doable it peeked my interest, so i just grinded him down. Again, all of this could have been prevented with simple timers, to stop people from doing it if theyre not good enough yet.

>>721057453
>just do your methamphetamine responsibly
Aline proved she was hopelessly addicted so Renoir decided to break her pipe and call the cops on her dealer.

>>721073607
you can beat anyone at any point just mash that dodge button for maximum enjoyment
it's not parry slop, thoughoweverbeit

>>721074520
Yeah, but some combos are really hard to evade and would require hours to perfect, im perfectly fine with that, but why did they give the thing that holds the most overpowered pictos in the whole game a couple of easily telegraphed moves. Anyways, great game otherwise, but terrible balance is my last statement. And "Hurr, balance dont matter in a single player game" is a dumbass statement. It absolutely does and often is the reason if a games fun or not

Gustave best boy
I want a harem of five Gustaves

>>721049863

Parry is reserved for when you achieve perfect timing, which is usually after you have fought an enemy a few times. If you attempt it against some enemies, specially bosses, you are going to die a lot since they use feints and multy attacks with timing variations. I mean, you really have to git gud to parry those.

Also, speed is your top priority whenever raising your stats if you don´t want enemies to start having several turns before you can do shit.

Another addendum, think of pictos as equipment instead of just skills. You´ll have an easier time if you do. Not that the game is all that difficult.

>>721075457
Based

>>721075530
Isn't Luck supposed to be the best stat?
I know that Defense is the least useful considering the game mechanics.

>>721074357
The only thing Renoir provided is that he is obsessed with his wife and his hero complex just like she is obsessed with taking Verso's made-up cock.
They are both garbage, Renoir is not better. Only Clea is worth shit in that whole family.

>>721075729
And Real Verso. Except he died though.

>>721069371
>Alicia is 100% incapable of peaceful resolution.
No, Alicia simply asks "why the fuck should I actually go back to the real world?" and Renoir has no argument to counter that.
Because from Alicia's standpoint, why should she return home to a crippled body and a neglectful family? So that Renoir feels good about himself? Why should she care about her family, when her family does not give a shit about her?
And no, "you'll die" isn't an argument for her, when living in the real world is already a fate worse than death to her.

>>721075846
Don't worry, in the most french manner I am sure the DLC they have hinted to be working on will drive by to let you know Verso actually staged his death using Alicia as a scapegoat.
Just so everyone is shit.

>>721076018
>DLC they have hinted to be working on
I didn't hear about this.
Gustave lives NG++ run with new cutscenes and mechanics which leads to the Golden Route?

>>721075709

I guess it depends. Luck is based because a lot of builds are focused on optimizing crits and high luck can make it so that at least 70% of one´s attacks are crits. Counters with high crit rates as well as Maelle and Lune savage attacks with high crits can indeed break most enemies but if the enemy attacks 3 times before one can act that advantage is relative. Yes you do more damage but not 3 turns worth of damage.

Luminas are also to be considered. A lot of builds take time to take off because you just lack the necessary pictos to make full use of them like break and burn builds. It´s obviously super OP to inflict 300 burns on an enemy and have 90% of chance of that critting and doing double dmg but early game you are just wasting points on those luminas.

>>721076398
It's nothing big, someone asked them around the new milestone if they were doing something new about the game / franchise and they answered "We might be cooking..."

>>721075709
>>721075709
Luck is the easiest to max out with pictos, and there are a bunch of lumina which provide crit boosts too.

The real answer though is that it depends on your team build. ATM I'm using Monoco for damage, with crit rate and attack power maxed, very little on anything else. Sciel has speed maxed so she can keep buffing the team and giving them turns. Lune has health and defense maxed so she can keep healing and reviving downed survivors.

>>721049926
I'M NOT SHITTING FOREVER... PLEASE, JUST A LITTLE LONGER?
not yet

>>721075729
>he is obsessed with his wife
Yeah he would be a much better character if he coldly dismissed her suicide and also his daughter's suicide, real fathers don't care about their wives or children.

>>721075983
>my teenage daughter should just commit suicide actually, then I'd be a good father

>>721049446 (OP)
Why did they add an n after mama?

>>721078996
Real fathers don't brainwash their daughters to weaponize them against their mother by making them suffer the death of their loves ones all over again until they are a confused mess of bipolar emotions from two split lives willing to die just to kill someone who turns out is entirely unrelated to the circumstance.
But guess what he made sure happened just so he could get a crumb of pussy from his wife that's told him to fuck off?

>>721049690
She's a woman.

>>721075983
She's a fucking teenager and so are you judging by this insane throughline of argumentation.
>why should she return
Because she's a paintress and can make near-infinite beauty with near-infinite people. But she's catastrophically hung up on her dead brother and would rather live in a delusion where she never got him killed.

>>721079193
>brainwash
Clea sent her in and he was just doing the gommage as he was doing before she even showed up. Aline painted over her and forced her to live as a Lumierian. Stop pretending that letting your wife overdose on fentanyl is a good, fatherly action.

>>721079193
Care to elaborate how exactly Renoire "brainwashed" her?

>>721079205
?
She is the first one to state to Verso he is not her brother, what are you even on about?

>>721049926
kek

>>721079386
>>721069371

>>721079386
Anon she lied, to herself and him. Within her ending she has clearly completely fallen to the delusion that Verso is her brother and that living with him is the same as if her brother never died.

>>721079326
>Painted Renoir ejects Alicia from the painting
>Aline and Renoir realize she has been there all this time.
>Aline tells Renoir this situation is beyond her handling and she must be taken out before it's too late.
>Renoir ensures she is unable to eject Alicia from the painting and puts her back in Maelle's body, ensuring she still doesn't know who she is and continues to blindly pursue the Paintress.
>Now aware that Alicia is there, Renoir approaches them in his long range vessel and sets them on the path to the Axion, since he can use her power as a painter for his purposes
>All through this he is clearly aware she is fucking out immensely and was warned of the fact by his much more skilled wife
>Does nothing until the very last second, when it's already too late, as he was warned.

>>721079457
>>721079450
Sounds like headcanon to me. Ain't here to discuss that.
So carry on with each other.

>>721079665
>the lines from the game are headcanon

>>721079601
Cool, you can loosely retell the plot, where's the brainwashing by Renoire part?

>>721079721
Yeah, your interpretation of statements that not at all spell out what you are saying are indeed headcanon.
If you want them to mean what you want them to mean, be my guest. But I am not here to entertain your nonsense.

>>721079601
So letting her remain in the painting is brainwashing? He needed the help. She was already completely fucked at that point, do you think she would have gotten more sane if he ejected her? She just experienced her defining trauma.

>>721079807
>i want this lifetime that was taken from us
What do you think she meant by this? I mean she was talking to Verso, who had already lived several lifetimes and was utterly unrelated to her. Maybe she wanted to marry him, what a thinker.

>>721079807
Nigger she said to painted Verso "you are not real Verso" and then when she gets emotional she calls him "brother". There's no interpretation. You are either comically retarded or comically stubborn or just shitposting. In all of these cases you have nothing of worth to say, don't reply to me ever again.

>>721049690

They are all selfish and broken trying to cope though. When watching her ending i had the feeling that she was completely aware of the lie. Her face wasn´t the face of someone that got what she wanted or that was clinging to fantasy, it was the face of someone suffering because none of that was real no matter how much she wished for it.

But as mentioned, none of them is in the right. Yes Renoir actions are the ones that logically make more sense but his motives are as emotionally selfish as all the rest. He wants the family to face things together, which in theory is the most healthy approach but he wants so because he can´t deal with everyone around him being emotionally dead too. Essentially he is screaming he can´t deal with everything alone. Which again, seems valid, but doesn´t really respect others grieve differently.

Clea on the other hand is just avoiding dealing with it, just like Alicia, only the method is different. Maybe less self destructive but still not healthy. Plus, it most likely result in hurting others rather than hurting herself.

Piano status?

>>721079806
Letting her remain in the painting without her memories. He even saw Verso playing the piano with her, which inevitably lead to her going down Aline's path. He could've sent her home at any moment since Verso showed up with her at the manor.

>>721079601
Renoir knew Alicia was present since Maelle arrived on the continent. There's no way he doesn't recognize her in the manor. So you're right, he is deliberately keeping her there as a pawn in his argument against his wife and then shitting bricks at the end when she wants to stay of her own accord.

>>721081371
Anon do you think bestowing her memories would have fixed literally anything? At that poing she lived 32 years, 16 as Maelle and 16 as Alicia. She was completely fucked, and had already made all of the connections that led to her psychotic break later.

>>721081371
I could kind agree if you called Aline forcing Alicia to be reborn brainwashing, but calling not telling the truth brainwashing is kinda reaching.

Why the FUCK did Cleo mindbreak Simon? What the FUCK was with that speech she gives him?

>>721082414
Clea doesn't think of the painted as people whatsoever. Clea's massive competence combined with her feelings of neglect have given rise to a very slapdash person. She didn't meddle with the painting any longer than she absolutely had to, and did many of the most destructive things.

>>721082414
>Why the FUCK did Cleo mindbreak Simon?
Clea pretended to be painted Clea who Simon was in love with, gave him power up and sent to fight Aline.
Aline gave him even bigger power up, told him the truth and sent fight Renoire.
>What the FUCK was with that speech she gives him?
It's painted Clea telling him to free her from real Clea.

>>721049446 (OP)
I love her so much bros. Shame that Jennifer English is a lesbian queer or whatever.

>>721082646
Don't forget using him to kill her Axon because she's bitter that both Aline and Renoir painted her.

>>721082524
>>721082646
Where can I find a French GF to mindbreak me?

>>721083421
All french art women will likely be worse versions of Clea. Clea is some kind of multi-discipline master, you'll get the kind of art hoe that shoves things up her cunt. She'll ruing you anyway though.