Thread 721147438

It's getting harder and harder to avoid these. I hope everyone who installed these dies in a fire.

>>721147438 (OP)
I noticed as well. The big issue is they're kernal level. Also a lot of them require manual removal instead of uninstalling with the game.

I agree with you completely, but why post EAC out of all of them? EAC is kinda a joke, at least on Linux. Should post one that's more controversial to get more (you)s bumping the thread

So what am I supposed to do if the games I like use these? Just not play them? What does that really achieve when everyone else will install these and everyone else will play them anyway? I don't get to play the game all for what exactly?

Provide me an alternative to deal with them and I will consider not installing it.

>>721147745
Yes.

>>721147764
In that case my answer is No.

>>721147745
Exercise some self restraint and self reflection for once in your life. There are tens of thousands of games out there. There are literally hundreds if not thousands of games available to you at any moment that you will actively enjoy that do not have the rootkits. Genuinely what a pathetic waste of skin mentality

How else can I play Elden Ring?

>>721147814
Enjoy the botnet and Chinese hackers

>>721147438 (OP)
CHEATER IS MAD CHEATER IS MAD AHAHAHAHH YOU WILL NEVER BE GOOD AT VIDEOGAMES CHEATING FAGGOT

>>721147945
Console doesn't need spyware like that. You can always just buy a PS5 to play games that are affected by this.

>>721147438 (OP)
Isn't that anticheat explicitly not installed at kernel level?
I mean, whenever I boot my PC its never thete, it only opens when I open the game

>uhhhh no, you don't understand, I NEED to play multiplayer games!!!!
lmao

>>721148241
>just buy a PS5
How is that ethically better than submitting to malware?

>>721148349
Fucking zoomers man

>>721148378
I'll keep installing these thrn,

>>721147438 (OP)
at least you can delete it without hassle.

EAC and BattlEye are retarded

but at least its not Xigncode

>>721148536
Lmao bro you gave chinese spyware kernel access. You're backdoored

>>721148609
EAC and Battleye can both easily be deleted. Do the same with shit like xigncode or ACE... you cant

>look up games that use xigncode
>black desert online and some other irrelevant gookshit games
wew what an easy skip

Having multiple games using different kernal level anti-cheats seems like it would be annoying. I'm not liking the direction things are going.

Why does it need to run in Kernel level?

>>721149358
to make it feel like it does any difference

>I hate these things
>I still have to play the games that use them though
So you have no principles.

>>721147882
So you have no alternatives, just weak pathetic insults. Gotcha.
>>721148031
I am enjoying them as much as you do. You are deluding yourself if you think your pc isn't full of them regardless.

>>721147438 (OP)
I don't get the issue with MuH KeRNeL ANTI CHEATZ!!! BOOO!!!!!. This is some UFO believer neckbeard shit.

If it means I get to play games with way less cheaters, then go ahead.
>m-m-muh privacy!! m-m-muh system security!!!!!!
literally don't have anything to hide, and if i did, i wouldn't be so fucking stupid to do it on my gaming PC anyways. if there's a risk that someone bricks my PC through anti-cheat vulnerability, it'd still be worth using it because i fucking hate cheating.

so what's the issue, OP? try to change my mind on this.

>>721149725
It doesn't even fucking work. Matchmaking has caused a never ending battle between developers and cheaters, and as long as any slavic man exists with cheap vodka, there will be some sort of exploit that will be found and condensed into a script that lil' Timmy can use to cheat. It's not a matter of "less" cheaters, but a matter of who is going to break first.

>>721149725
Nice try shill

>>721149871
By using common sense this is complete bullshit that you pulled out the ass. It IS less cheaters. If you say a Kernel level anti-cheat doesn't make it drastically harder to cheat then you know nothing. Obviously it's still a never-ending fight just like you said but that's just how it is. Better than just giving up.

>I have nothing to hide!
Even if you don't live in the UK, you're spiritually a bong when you say this shit

>>721150027
Omg if someone finds out that I, a young man... uhh... watch porn! Or that I say "nigger" to my online friends! Oh the horror... my life would be so ruined, brb uninstalling all kernel anti-cheats I can now! Or that I... order arcade stick components online.

>>721150247
Privacy is a fundamental need, as well as a basic human right as declared by the UN. So if you don't care about your needs or your rights, what does that make you? Certainly not an example to follow, that's for sure.

>>721147438 (OP)
remember when it was just a program you ran besides counter strike 1.6 and it couldn't even detect supersimplewallhack 6.8

>>721147745
>Just not play them?
Precisely
>What does that really achieve when everyone else will install these and everyone else will play them anyway?
It achieves keeping your own PC and data secure, which is all you should care about because that's all you can control.
>Provide me an alternative to deal with them
Don't play those games.

>>721150325
LOL. What does that make YOU that you let some large jewed authority entity define what your "basic human rights" are and what you should care about? Dear retard you are the cuck sheep, not me. What someone else defines as "fundamental need" or "basic human right" is not in my equation, I can decide all that by myself. And potentially/maybe/in some weird case letting people know what I do on my gaming PC is least of my worries AND it could happen anyways.

Even if you DID care about muh fundamental UN declared needs, they are extremely vague and can be interpreted in many ways.

>>721150660
Yeah, I figured your age starts with a 1. Thanks for confirming.

>>721147438 (OP)
>Don't play multiplayer-slop
>Don't need anticheat spying on my giantess furry .mp4's
Wow, was that so hard?

>>721147438 (OP)
Ironically every game that uses anti-cheat is full of cheaters.
I've just outright stopped playing multiplayer games altogether.
There's no point. That tarkov video really pulled the wool from my eyes.
50% of the playerbase just out there using wallhacks.

>>721150726
Dude I need to play video games

>>721150797
Play Barotrauma, Steel Division 2, Gates of Hell. I don't care which, just don't play multiplayerslop.

>>721147643
>he thinks he can remove the rootkit
kek
roflmao even

there's literally no current year MPSlop worth playing
matchmaking ruined multiplayer forever
it's over

>>721151120
Sparking zero is godly

>>721149725
good morning sir

>
>instalingl anything for multiplayer trash
I play vidya to get away from people, not to have more contact with the worst examples of them

>>721148364
>singleplayer game has a multiplayer mode
at least they boot without the EAC installer

the funniest part is that actual high level cheaters are impervious to this bullshit since they use AI-assisted tools fully housed in outside boards

>>721147438 (OP)
stop cheating then

Heavens forbid we let players host servers and let communities moderate themselves.
No, I, the benevolent corporation, must take all these burdens upon myself!

>>721151371
>AI assisted
who cares, ai assisted just means slow in this space
>outside boards
still detectable if you know how

>>721151565
>IF WE LET YOU HOST YOUR OWN SERVERS YOU MIGHT ACTUALLY KICK PAYING CUSTOMERS (Cheaters) AND MIGHT ALLOW FOR CUSTOM SKINS AND WEAPONS!
>HOW THE FUCK ARE WE SUPPOSED TO MAKE MONEY IF YOU GUYS ARE HAVING FUN!?

I would gladly give companies my ssn and birth certificate if it meant never having to play with a cheater again.

>>721151659
faceit tried this but people now sell ID-verified accounts for cheap
just another hurdle for 3rd worlders to make money with

>>721147745
install linux

>>721151928
any competent game dev just wont allow launching on linux

>>721149725
>literally don't have anything to hide,
Post your credit card number, name, expiration date and the 3 digit security number if you have nothing to hide.
any passwords and logins you might have would also be nice since you have nothing to hide.

>>721151978
once valve starts selling linux hardware en masse and emboldens the oems to do that too they won't really have a choice
once the oems catch wind that linux is good enough that the costs of rma will be lower than paying microsoft for licencing it's over

>>721150459
>bro, just not play Helldivers 2 because <autism>
How about no.
>>721151928
No, I don't think I will.

>>721152293
funny, in a medium with so much choice and convenience you still choose to enslave yourself to specific games because you must consume

>>721147745
Get a console for the slop. If you can afford the latest nShitia $70,000 card, you can afford a Series S and set it next to your PC.

>>721152632
Or I just want to play a game I find fun. This is somehow so wrong on a board dedicated to video games.
>>721152760
Sorry, I exclusively game in 4k 120fps, none of the consoles can do that, but my 9800x3d and 4090 can. And where it can't, DLSS and framegen or lossless scaling has my back.

>>721152846
Ohh you're one of those. Yeah you're idiot.

>>721152846
>Or I just want to play a game I find fun. This is somehow so wrong on a board dedicated to video games.
we call this stockholm syndrome
it doesn't matter that he gives me black eyes on the regular when the sex is good!

>>721152864
I'm actually highly intelligent, I can bait idiots with 100% success rate.
>>721152920
So wanting to play a good game is somehow stockholm syndrome, the mental gymnastics is getting out of hand.

>>721153089
you're being humiliated with intrusive nonfunctional spyware to play that game
peculiar how you're downplaying the bad just like someone suffering from stockholm syndrome

>>721153154
Or maybe it's not actually as bad as you are saying it is, curious you never even considered this very valid alternative. (thinking emoji)

>>721153607
>cancer isn't that bad because you can't see it

>>721153668
>cancer isn't that bad because you can't see it, can't feel it, doesn't have any effect on you whatsoever but enables you to play a good game
Hmm. Sounds to me that good game enjoyers win and schizos lose.

>>721154094
epic bait

how else would I play brawlhalla

>>721154116
>no argument
I always win these. You guys make it too easy.

>>721151565
don't forget about map makers
>remove ability to make maps from players
>sell them few maps if any now and then

>>721149167
It's also a stability nightmare. Remember that crowdstrike outage?

>>721147438 (OP)
I hate DRM as much as the next guy but EAC can be easily removed in most games...Now Denuvo is the root of all DRM evil and it must be cracked at all costs!

>>721155805
Back in July last year? I do, what a total shit show.

>>721155943
It's so fucking bad that bf6 won't work if you have Riot's Vanguard installed on your PC because the two kernel drivers conflict and one basically thinks the other is a cheat.

>game has various anti cheat systems
>game has hackers and cheaters every couple games anyways

And it’s only gonna get worse

>>721156360
That is really shitty. I had wondered about such conflicts when I started posting in this thread.

>>721147438 (OP)
Linux doesn't have this issue. Either it works in userspace, or it fucks right off.

>>721147438 (OP)
At this point my computer must have like 20 different kernal level anti cheats installed on it.

>>721151651
>>721155707
and now the most popular game on earth is roblox

>>721147438 (OP)
>game has EAC and makes use of SecureBoot
>day 2 hackers with wallhack and aimbot

>>721152060
lol. i won't post them for no reason just like i won't post my porn habits or people i talk to for no reason, but i have two/three factor identification with biometrics (where available) for everywhere relevant. IF a breach happens and someone gets some credentials, then so be it, shit happens.
also my bank randomly locks my card and calls me already for some purchases that I make myself because they seem suspicious.

>>721147438 (OP)
I simply don't buy them.
I see Denuvo? Pass. Easy Anti Cheat? Pass.

>>721158012
Yeah i don't understand as most top players in those games in ranked fps are just spending 50$/month to stay undetected for a few months

Way too many people are cheating for no purpose: ragehacking fun? win small tourneys? no because most are adhd losers. Doesn't help that you can literally sell accounts because you have few specific badges and people are okay with them despite that any team that will take you will realize ur true lvl within min

Its all retarded

>>721147438 (OP)
Tim Sweeney paid a lot of money to have this included in as many games as possible so they have trouble working on Linux

>>721151565
Sorry but that train has passed when everyone played LoL instead of games that aren't pure dogshit

>>721149697
NTA but I don't have to deluxe myself since I don't install games that have this shit so they are not present on my PC. Simple as. Are you retarded enough to believe that stuff like this install itself simply by letting your PC connect to the internet?

>>721160850
It pleases me to call you brother.

>>721158012
It's because modern hacks no longer need to modify data in the RAM or run on the host computers
You install hardware that reads your RAM and the hacks run on a secondary system connected to screen as overlay and movements added to the hardware input of your mouse
It's undetectable no matter how deep you implement software solutions to stop cheating

>>721162923
This trend of competitive gaming has had pretty major impact on the field. It's interesting, and as someone who doesn't care about it at all, I mostly get the bad side of it. Which is a strong incentive from companies to try to crack down hard on cheating, leading to this shit.

So, are there any good MMOs or MP games that do not use some kind of kernel anticheat anymore? I only recall GW2 and TESO out of MMOs but cannot recall any FPS/TPS that is free of them. Maybe Valve ones since VAC is not kernel-based.

>>721147438 (OP)
>rootkit spyware anti-cheat
>doesn't even work against cheaters

>AI-anticheat can identify cheaters from just analyzing footage
>nobody uses them

I'm starting to think the studios don't actually want to get rid of cheaters.

>>721150008
It isn't, because anyone that cheats seriously will bypass kernel anticheat with a pci device with a spoofed id. You have no idea what you're talking about. The only way to combat cheating is live oversight and prompt response to cheating reports.

>>721163782
Well, Valve actually did something similar and suddenly banned tons of players from Counter Strike. Already VAC pretty much works by analysing player performance over time after first red flags and then bans them if they continue to rise suspicions.

>>721163964
Yes but everyone still bitches because they demand that cheaters are banned on the spot instead of with certainty

>>721166024
But people ITT already pointed out why cheaters cannot be banned on spot or prevented in first place, those explanations are widely available as well. So why they still insist otherwise?

BRING BACK COMMUNITY SERVERS!
WE GONNA POLICE OURSELVES!
NOT SOME BLASTED ROOTKIT ROBOT!

>>721167445
Community mods are fucking useless against cheaters unless they're full on ragehacking.

>>721166153
There are also widely available explanations why the Earth is round, but some people don't care.

>>721147438 (OP)
The worst thing about EAC is that it contains security flaws that could potentially be used to RAT your computer if someone who works for Tencent does the needful

>>721150896
>SD 2, Gates of Hell
A fellow gentleman of taste