Thread 721165276

I loved Hollow Knight Silksong, but my only real complaint is that the movement still just doesn't feel as good as the Megaman X and Zero games, nor do the hit reactions really.

>>721165276 (OP)
well it's not mega man, it's hollow knight

>>721165385
They're both 2D side scrollers with an emphasis on fast paced platforming, so there's plenty of points for comparison.

>>721165385
Mostly because the developers talk about being directly influenced by Mega Man

>>721165276 (OP)
>doesn't feel as good as the Megaman X and Zero games
>posts a mega man game with worst movement than the rest
Maybe actually try getting good at a game for real before having an opinion

>>721165385
I think they made it very clear in interviews and such that they wanted Hollow Knight to feel like X movement wise

>>721165276 (OP)
Next you're going to tell me that SotN had fluid movement.

>>721165276 (OP)
This is wrong and it's weird you posted X4, as Silksong has a similar dash input but improved because it has no start up frames and its not meant to be absent-mindedly held down all the time. Obviously both Hollow Knight and Silksong control better, have a lot more complex movement, and more precise platforming. In the Zero games you usually can't even see upcoming platforms or obstacles due the terrible hardware its on and inti being terrible developers, and the levels are accordingly very simple and boring.

X series was never good

Not being able to immediately dash into a jump or an attack feels disgusting in silksong. I know it's probably intentional because the devs wanted more commitment and thought to go into player decision but it just feels like shit. Add the lack of momentum in the dash jump and the controls just feel sluggish compared to X or Dread. I finished the game easy btw.

>>721165276 (OP)
They could never hope to get even half of the feel and charm of X4. That game is on a different league.

>>721165276 (OP)
95% of all my damage taken in silksong is the enemies running into me
still better than expedition reddit 33

>millennial take
>it's shit
well whoopdidoo

>>721166938
>Not being able to immediately dash into a jump

This, I don't like the lack of a dash jump. Makes it feel too stiff

>>721167613
I just wanna autistically add
>tfw you catch a wall with your head, with the peak of your dash jump

why is every modern game trying to shoe horn souls slop into their game. not everything is better with trial and error gameplay and dumb save stations placed minutes before a boss fight which requires you to do several times in order to learn the boss pattern. a metroidvania game is about exploration and atmosphere and not about combat and parries lol. this feels like the 2000's when every fucking game tried adding in wow/rpg elements into their games and later on when games tried being more like skyrim/gta with open world game designs. its all so tiresome.

>>721168015
You quite literally had save stations before boss areas in Metroid.

>>721168063
yes but they werent minutes away from the boss fight. having to learn to speed run the section right before the boss fight so I can get more attempts in per hour doesnt really elevates my gaming experience. shit like that is annoying especially in a game thats all about comfy exploration.

>>721168154
Yes it was, Kraid, Ridley, Phantoon, Spore Spawn and especially Mother Brain, require autistic treks back to them if you died. And the alternative to parrying/dodging, is tanking or praying your jumps are enough of a mobility option to be a dodge.

>>721168318
>kraid
was literally right above the boss door
>spore spawn
literally a room away behind the secret wall
I give you phantoon but that one was also just 3-4 rooms and they were pretty much empty since the space stations was turned off at the time

brother I understand you want to defend the slop shit and it has its place in certain games but having to deal with this shit in every modern game is getting annoying.

>>721168592
>slop
>every game
I'm just not a jaded hipster that gets thinking points, purely from here. If not a parry, you'd probably complain about a dash or a roll, if not the boss room placements, it'd be enemy HP or something.
I don't ascribe to retard rhetoric, I simply play the game and assess, I haven't touched Silksong yet, but HK is fine, it feel alright to pilot the knight around. A silverlining I can meet you at, is the map can be too big for its own good.

This is objectively good and tight movement and if you don't understand this you don't deserve good video games

>>721168741
>I haven't touched Silksong yet
yeah okey that might be it. they really went full retard with the boss room placements. its pretty much ds2. tbf I hated all souls games and hk despite finishing them.

>>721168892
Ah, I'll concede to be talking about vanilla and I am completely ignorant to how SS does things. But I also prefer Guacamelee to HK so I might be a slopper, who knows.

>>721168875
I don't think that just being precise is all that special. It's an improvement from the first, but still not very fun. Pizza Tower understood this.

>>721169468
>Pizza Tower understood this.
Understood what, Pizza Tower is a momentum platformer, (like sonic) silksong is a precision platformer (like mega man)

>>721168875
>mobile tier movement
>good and tight
if you are retarded

>>721168875
Now do a dash attack
Now do a dash and jump at the same time
Now do a down attack in mid air

>>721169772
>Pizza Tower is a momentum platformer
you're actually retarded

if you removed the dash->sprint lag that delays sprint attacks and jumps it'd control better

>>721170105
>>721170117
>>721170268
Very obvious samefag meltdown

>>721165276 (OP)
I think it feels really good and it’s the closest we’ll ever get to a new X game especially m since most indies look like shit even if they play okay

>>721170424
I heard good things about Gunvolt.

>>721170374
Giving up this early into the argument?

>>721169468
Pizza Tower sucks dick

>>721170545
it’s alright, the artstyle and charcter designs are also boring compared to megaman

>>721170545
Score attack autism: the game. Pretty good otherwise.

>>721170117
I can do all of that. And you can do none of what's in that webm in X4 because dash has start up frames and double tapping is a dash input.

>>721165276 (OP)
HU
HA
HOAH

>>721170947
you’re also avatarfagging with a tranime character so you lost automatically

>>721170587
It's not a discussion if I'm just replying to a mentally deranged /mmg/ schizo that has never actually played a mega man game

>>721170890
What's wrong with a game having an emphasis on score attack? You can completely ignore it if you want, its only real purpose is to make getting equipment faster and so you can hear idol music. I think it's implemented very well, and it adds a lot to how you play the game, especially with how it interacts with checkpoints.

>>721170890
>>721171336
As a GBA MMZero baby, I stopped caring about score when I got punished for using mechanics the game gives you. I can't imagine the masochistic fuck that could S rank Hard mode MMZ1.

>>721171336
>What's wrong with a game having an emphasis on score attack?
because survival is incredibly uninteresting

>>721171336
Nothing really. It's just not for me.

>>721171336
Scoring does nothing outside of score. In a good game its tied with gameplay mechanics. For example, in Daioujou it's a method for both gaining extends and filling your hyper meter, which layers into bees which also fill your hyper meter. All kudos does in gunvolt is give you cinematic ironic weeb attacks.

I think your looking for 30xx and 20xx bro.
>>721170545
Man FUCK GUNVOLT. Piece of shit games. If you like megaman X stay the fuck away.

>>721166294
>no start up frames
x4 doesn't have those. The animation looks like that but the speed isn't
>its not meant to be absent-mindedly held down all the time.
Thats actually a mechanic feature. Controling the lengh of your dash makes the gameplay more dynamic

I've realized I enjoy games like Megaman, Metroid, and Cavestory because they are shooters and I dislike close-combat melee in games. I mean it's fine when Zero has both the gun and sword but JUST a sword would be awful.

>>721170890
i like that it rewards you with songs, if you play well

>>721168741
nta but
>If not a parry, you'd probably complain about a dash or a roll
>I don't ascribe to retard rhetoric
Are you retarded?
>Tenddie gif
Yeah, checks out

>>721172560
absolutely hideous

>>721172560
>If you like megaman X stay the fuck away.
i fucking love MMX and that's why i even tried gunvolt.
now i love gunvolt as well.

>>721171336
It's perfectly fine for a game to have scoring mechanics, but ideally a game is fun or interesting beyond chasing after those high scores. Gunvolt's problem for me is that it doesn't really push you to play better unless you're specifically aiming to get better score, which is not helped by the bland level design.

>>721172879
>x4 doesn't have those
Yes it does. If you play x4 right now and mash a directional you'll see the movement is not as fluid as me doing it in the silksong webm. This is because the dash input has start up frames.

>>721173173
>meme pic of vidya
>console warring
no U? And thanks for proving my point sped. Going [mechanic] + [slop], is the most low-brow reductive form of sparking a conversation on this passive aggressive, faggot infested board in 2020+.

>>721170545
Fuck off SHARTvoltfag. Parasitic leech.

>>721165661
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cEZsGUqgtHQ

>>721173940
Startup frames? This isn't a fighting game, nigger. You press the dash button and X or Zero will begin dashing almost immediately. You can literally mash the dash button and they will stutterstep not unlike that Silksong webm you posted.

>>721175254
You're Eric, Barry, and Tameem.

>>721177623
>page 10 bump
This will be my last response then. It literally has input eating start up frames, and not only this but it makes tap dodging impossible, which means the game cannot have the density of enemies and projectiles Silksong does. Because it's less precise.