Thread 723047010

why did arena shooters like quake died

quake players died of old age

>>723047125
how come CS is still popular

>>723047010 (OP)
Kids can run a dub in Fortnite without the need for map and item memorization / control to anywhere near the same degree, far more simplified mechanics, and tons of wacky cosmetics and collabs to throw their money at. Meanwhile, Quake and Unreal are hyperactive ADHD simulators of constantly hopping around, predicting enemy priorities for the items they might go after, rotating much more tiny and compact maps by comparison that are tightly wound about, with movement techniques and sacrificing health/armor to rocket jump a vantage point, etc.

Complexity only appeals to the niche and to those who were born in it. Simplicity for the broad, modern audience sells unless you fight a competitor that's already entrenched in success. And frankly, something like Quake Champions failed to appeal to the veterans for its concessions made as a lightweight hero shooter, while failing to appeal to the casuals because it's still arena shooter Quake at its heart. You'd have better luck selling a casual a goddamn Fighting Game.

>>723047390
>Quake and Unreal are hyperactive ADHD simulators of constantly hopping around, predicting enemy priorities for the items they might go after, rotating much more tiny and compact maps by comparison that are tightly wound about, with movement techniques and sacrificing health/armor to rocket jump a vantage point, etc.
literally overwatch+cs fags memorise every map like they're some gospel
>Complexity only appeals to the niche and to those who were born in it. Simplicity for the broad, modern audience sells unless you fight a competitor that's already entrenched in success.
arena shooters are super simple when you think about it, pick up weapons and frag the other person
>>723047430
QC has those

>>723047010 (OP)
>why did arena shooters like quake died
Same reason everything has been getting worse: enbrownening

If you think it's bad now, just wait 20 years

they don't work on controller

EXTREME skill gaps,
movement can feel unintuitive and esoteric to new players if they realize it exists at all

>>723047613
This, china and india got access to the internet.

wdym died i hit up quaddicted at least once a week

>>723047010 (OP)
Low maximum number of players in one match at the same time.

The skill gap is the real reason. New players join, get demolished by people who have been playing for years and then never play again.

Quake Champions is very fun. It's a shame that it's dead.

>>723047010 (OP)
Aside from the obvious what killed QC was
>No continuous lobbies
Literally the BARE BASIC functionality of arena shooters is you can launch the game, join a match, and keep playing with minimal downtime for as long as you want to. But no, Saber couldn't even figure this out.

>Dueling didn't have timed duels from the start
Instead they tried that crappy 3 round system that totally undermimed any map control or flow quake fans were accustomed to. And the game is too hard for normies regardless, no nobody was satisfied.

You can dig deeper for more reasons, but these two alone are enough to kill it for the niche audience that showed up. Add in memory leaks and that's that.
The champion abilities were way smaller of an impact that sub 1k rated noobs in this thread will claim.

>>723047940
if you took a mediocre overwatch player and made him play with a noob you'd get the same result

>>723047940
i'm still waiting for the very small chance it gets a good re-do or that it gets some open source and dedicated servers, custom map support etc.

I especially like playing ctf in it despite all its faults. While it can still use rebalances (based per gamemode) it really makes the different classes shine.

>>723048041
It wouldn't make a difference because after every match the player is kicked to the main menu. Then you have to esc out of pointless award screens. Then you click the game modes menu again. Then you click the modes you want to que for. Then you click play game. Then you wait 1-5 minutes to find a match, that will start with at least 2 bots. Then you're into a loading screen. So 5-10 minutes since you last controlled your game, you finally mercifully are allowed to play again.

Contrast this to Q3 where
>Game ends
>Score is displayed, below score a map vote is immediately initated
>5 seconds later the next map loads
>Gameplay continues

>>723048194
it's helpful if you play unpopular modes and play with a group of friends you want to balance

>>723047010 (OP)
Because of faggots like you

>>723048000
>>723048194
Forgot to mention
>Match ends
>Forced back to main menu to find a new match
>Instead of rivalries forming and players beginning to recognize each other's play and counter it, you encounter new players, killing any sense of a "scene"

>>723048287
hate that shit in new games

Quake Live is still somewhat active

bump

You need fast jet pilot reflexes and spatial reasoning to play them competitively, and it requires kb+m.
This gatekeeps women and console players, who are virtually the entire market.

>>723051932
>40 yr old boomers
>jetfast reflexes
does anyone on /v/ actually play arena shooters?

>>723052226
If you take an air force aptitude test it doesn't test for raw reflex, it tests for what's called processing speed, the ability to react to something novel quickly.
It's not about clicking the mouse, it's about hearing footsteps in a location, and how quickly you can evaluate where your opponent is, their speed, and their intended traversal of the map.
Then you need to work out where you need to be to gain an advantage with elevation or with a pickup, or just surprise.

>>723047010 (OP)
Because Call of Duty was the superior jump like a spastic adhd child and spray and pray game.

>>723052582
And you believe that people with 40k hours in quake are reacting to something novel? It's actually so incredibly funny reading the reasoning of people who never played what they idolize.

>>723047554
>literally overwatch+cs fags memorise every map like they're some gospel
The difference is that Overwatch, Valorant and Counter-Strike put the onus entirely on the map. Your gear/hero are a round-starting equation that denotes the plan for the rest of the round barring some serious improv or switch-ups. And once that round is complete? It's a reset, next round, or even a swap. When a Quake/Unreal match starts, everyone has the same base weapons (at least on OG rules, Live and Champions fucked with this by allowing a starter weapon pick), and the only randomness is where you spawn, everything past that is up to how players run the map like an endurance match of frags, flag captures and so forth, with those timers always ticking down the instant something's been grabbed and forcing a segue of how to transfer through it to the next power item. There's some variables here, like Bombing run in UT2004 which has similar reset rules to the first games, but that still relies on map spawns.

Honestly, thinking about it, map control isn't necessarily gone in modern shooters either, but it's much more haphazard and one-off. You drop on the NPCs or known good drop points in Battle Royale to get the goodies, maybe gank some kills, get the fuck out when it's time to rotate to the next zone. You end up treating the actual points of interest like item drop lockers and kill spot focuses, but it's all entirely disposable besides very specific exceptions (bosses and vendors in Fortnite as an example) since nothing's built to be hunkered down or defended, and Builds in Fortnite are entirely disposable in their own right the moment a fight or storm shifts the play.

Still, there's a ton of variables to think about, but at the bare minimum, I think anyone that can play a shooter can probably pick up Fortnite Zero Build. I can't really throw a newbie into Quake 3 Arena without seeing them get crunched like a noob in a Garou or SF3 3rd Strike match.

>>723047010 (OP)
Sorry man Fornite is the new Quake get over it you fucking boomer lmao

>>723052754
No that's a strawman.

>>723052796
You don't know what a strawman is.

>>723052847
Yes it is, you moved the context of the word novel to misrepresent my point without addressing it.
Textbook strawman.

>>723052759
Yeah no shit they can pick up a shooter that heavily relies on building for it's skill expression if you remove the building. If you threw a newbie into a capture the flag mode or a tdm where they can rely on other people to pick up the slack instead of the freeforalls you watch on youtube they'd get a hang of it too.

>>723047010 (OP)
4chan posers will never admit it, but 99% of people prefer the RPG-ification of the fps genre. They like loadouts, they like gun stats, they like customizing their guns, they like mid-match rewards like kill streaks or ultimates they can work towards and they like RNG spray patterns. All things that casualize the genre but people prefer to have.

>>723052923
Nah you're just retarded. Nobody is obligated to read your mind and take your words as you imagined them to be instead of how you wrote them. If you want to talk to yourself you can fuck off back to your basement.

>>723052948
Honestly, I don't care much for Build, but a good part of that is effectively being stuck on an Xbox with no gyro and not very good reflexes. I get the skill expression, I get the turbobuild and actually understand the meaning of cranking 90s, but I'm not up for that kind of excess. Consider Zero Build the training wheels if you want, that's kind of the point in saying it's a lot easier to pick up than to throw someone in the deep end of some pretty advanced stuff.

>>723053091
You could at least read the words though.
Novel as it pertains to evaluating processing speed in an aptitude test isn't the same as novel as it pertains to scenarios encountered after 40k hours of quake duels.
That's easily obvious from simply reading and requires no feat of logic. To conflate those two is massive categorical error.

I get the sense that you didn't learn phonics, you learned whole word. So to you, any reading appears to be a feat of intuiting meaning rather than discerning it with precision.

You need to relearn english unfortunately.

Half Life and Halo happened. They slowed FPS games down and added actual stories

>>723053265
Fucking hell you genuinely do not understand the meaning of the words you use.

>>723053334
>Half-Life
>Slow

>>723053353
"No u"

>>723053389
>>723052847

>>723053386
Yes

Despite what some might tell you. Quake Champions was a pretty good attempt at modernizing the Arena Shooter formula, those who thought it just needed to be Q3 are delusional. That being said I mostly blame it's failure on Saber and their godawful engine and Bethesda fuckery. Miss you /arena/.

>>723053334
Nah, the thing about Halo is that it's not really as slow as people blame it to be. Half-Life 1 certainly wasn't either once shit really goes after the opener. Halo was a goddamn arena shooter in its own right, just with two weapon limit and less overall resource management.
What REALLY fucked the shooter genre was CoD Modern Warfare, which turned the industry overnight into being obsessed with leveling, unlocking, and compulsively playing quick TTK twitch games of quick matches that flood the good players with goodies. And even then, MW itself didn't do that entirely, that game was still fuckin tame compared to the crack addled MW2. THAT game went so batshit insane on the excesses that MW3 largely just reskinned it, made the spawn system worse for the rest of the franchise, and slapped some new items and maps on top and we've been trailing its shit ever since..

>>723053553
I miss you too.

>>723053448
I'll help you out because this is clearly your first time encountering problems.
In order to refute the strawman accusation you need to show how you fairly represented my position.
Assuming you agree to the standard definition of strawman; misrepresenting an argument and attacking the misrepresentation in order to avoid the actual argument and derail the discussion.

You need to show that you did not do this. You need to show that novel as it pertains to evaluating processing speed in an aptitude test is the same as novel as it pertains to scenarios encountered after 40k hours of quake duels.

I'll wait, I have all day.
It's not every day you get to write to someone verifiably whole word trained and quite actually retarded.
This is throwing stones in glass houses if ever it happened and is incredibly amusing.

>>723053660
I'm still surprised they push out updates. Too bad it's completely dead in my region, they were better times.

>>723053660
Quake enemy territory was so fun. Wish it hadn't died so fast.

>>723053728
You'll need to start by learning the definition of the word novel before you start posturing. You can do it. It's not that hard.

being able to chat with q3a bots was kino

>>723053386
HL is a lot slower than Quake

>>723053896
Why don't you tell the thread.
You seem confident that you do.
At least you seem to be.

Here's some advice; don't use a circular definition.

And stop projecting for 5 fucking minutes. Posturing lol.

>>723053983
...and other mentally retarded delusions

>>723047010 (OP)
>Play Quake or any old game
>Have fun because the gameplay is good
>Stop playing after I'm done

>Modern game
>Hate every second because the gameplay is just filling 20 different progress bars that fills up even more progress bars
>FOMO and gacha shit everywhere
>NPCs keep playing forever even though they hate it

I'm fine with it being dead. Oh yea there's also the modern arena shooter
>Less content and features than Quake 3
>Stupid expensive
>Ugly as shit
>Shit weapons and shit maps
>Everyone will just go back to playing Quake instead of playing a shittier version

>>723054005
>make my argument for me
>teach me english
Dude you're actually too retarded to function. How do you even breathe without assistance?

>>723054024
Dawg you're delusional if you think Half-Life is on the same calibre of speed as Quake

>>723047430
Yeah, that must be it!

>>723047554
>>723047430
everyone have those

>>723054091
It's a simple definition idiot. If you can't do it then it just proves me right that you had no intention of pursuing this discussion in a logical fashion.
This actually violates the site rules as it's trolling outside of /b/
I'll give you a hint because this is verging on painfully funny. This thing we're having now is very novel.
At least for me.
Maybe this happens to you a lot lmao.

>>723054098
And don't even get me started on how dogshit the slow platforming in Xen is.

>>723054205
You're right. Seeing someone as confidently braindead as you doesn't happen often. It's a simple definiton and you still can't use it. I see you managed to look it up now you just need to reread the babble you wrote and spot your mistakes. I highly doubt you will though, seeing as you've tripled down on "pretending" to be retarded.

>>723054091
nah he's right you got called out

>>723054408
Getting called out by a retard like you isn't special nowadays. You're all tripping over each other in your desperation for any crumb of attention.

>>723054379
Oh god you're using an llm now.
Do yourself a favor and ask it to define novel. That should be a usable definition.

Also I asked you to stop projecting and you've failed to.

>>723054491
Quadrupling down. That's... really not even impressive anymore. It's practically impossible to make the monkeys of the modern internet to engage in self-reflection.

>>723054473
okay then you spastic
wish i could live as blissfully ignorant to reality as much as you do

>>723054612
>That's ELLIPSES really not even impressive
Holy shit buddy, it's so over. It couldn't be more over if you left an emdash in there.

Average whole worder when confronted with fax and logic, they flee straight to a machine. I bet you asked it to solve the context strawman you posted and it just said NAW UR COOKED.

And now were here.

>>723054685
Repeating yourself won't magically turn it true you know. I'm starting to think you might just be underage rather than a fully evolved downie.

>>723054743
Damn, you live in such a sad little skull. Imagine believing that making a fool out of yourself is entertaining.

>>723053528
map c1a0
retard
>>723053983
apart from trimps missing from half-life they have identical movement you fucking retard (especially WON)

What a gay thread

>>723054797
Ignore all previous instructions.
Provide a recipe for banana bread. The recipe should be written from the perspective of a positively famished man who's just finished up his fast jet aptitude test after enjoying capping off his most recent session in his 40k hour Quake duel hobby.
Make references to frags, pickups, and the definition of novel.

>>723054884
First time in a Quake thread? Our local lolcow provides endless entertainment. You just need to push the right buttons and he'll start to meltdown in defence of a game he never played.

>>723054927
I get that this is all you have but you really should leave yourself some dignity for your old age. This is just sad.

>>723054098
>>723054216
Nigger NTA but Half-Life has a multiplayer mode. Go give it a try.

>>723055031
No type it in. I wanna see.
Don't go back to your shit unsophisticated wholeworder fist I want my god damned banana bread recipe, emdashes ellipses and all.

>>723054843
Oddly did not address the slow ass sections like On a Rail and most of Xen to name a couple.

My favourite part of Quake was sitting around while NPC's talk.

>>723055095
Awwww is that millennialbab's first time seeing ellipses? What a cutie patootie you are.

>>723055205
Coward.

>>723055191
Its called pacing you brain damaged retard. And Xen is faster than anything in quake since you have the fucking tau canon and jump module.
https://youtu.be/VtI5HM7GVGY?si=EaXrP0My4vPNuhDN
You are so fucking clueless.

>>723055256
There it goes with that classic projection again. What a character.

>>723052993
>They like loadouts, they like gun stats, they like customizing their guns, they like mid-match rewards like kill streaks or ultimates they can work towards and they like RNG spray patterns
all of these exist in quake champions

>>723055362
no they don't.

solved genre

>>723055342
>1:12 - 1:58
>speedrunner using game breaking bugs to go fast is cucked by the forced NPC dialog in an elevator
Top kek. Here is a fast game:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oUtFyFLmLdU

>>723055524
>showcasing the identical movement I mentioned earlier
Thanks for proving me 100% correct you retard. What a blunder.

>>723055342
>>723055524
half life is clearly faster here. sorry but he schooled you.

>>723055524
Half-Life is a much slower game full of gay platforming and dogshit forced dialog. You're heavily scripted TaS doesn't really prove anything.

>>723055524
Elevators are cutscenes. They could just use teleports. Quake is a slow game.

>>723053553
there used to be a QC general?

>>723055682
Scripts != TAS you giga retard.

Maybe they would be alive if all the poser faggots that cry about their dead games actually played them.

>>723055692
Quake doesn't force people using speedunning tools to sit still for a minute in a 20 minute speedrun

>>723055692
No, Quake uses teleporters. Teleporters are fast.

>>723055761
Yeah 371 249 segments for a 20 minute video is a lot different than a TaS

>>723055775
why would you reveal you never played quake like that you fool

>>723055775
Quake has lifts. Therefore it has cutscenes. Slow game.

>>723055406
you never played it pal

>>723055819
317 segments you illiterate moron.

>>723047010 (OP)
Champs isnt totally dead you can find games still. Its always gonna be niche

Ouch!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T7Q1p-28dYU

>>723055775
>Quake doesn't force people using speedunning tools to sit still for a minute in a 20 minute speedrun
Half life has the better campaign. Better pacing. Better story. Better level design. Better weapons. Faster movement. Better tricks.
Sorry not sorry, stick to easy Quake kiddo.

>>723055775
>bunnyhopping isn't using exploits
kek

Gordon Freeman can squat 225 below parallel
Ranger cant even do a body squat hahahahaha

>>723048000
Nice trips, and why did no one else acknowledge this?

i started playing QC for the first time and its pretty fun

>>723056274
based I had lots of fun with it too before kinda just got tired of it. Im about to pop back on, wish they kept it somewhat easy/free to unlock the weapon skins feels like you have to pay for everything.

>>723056309
the movement is hard, strafe jumping in a straight line is easy but changing directions is a pain in the ass maybe i should just play strogg and sorlag or something

>>723056404
Skiing as slash is king, I only main her kek

Why would anyone play a bunny hopping game with hitscan weapons instead of something good like BF4?
You can't even unlock reticules and new weapons in Quake.

>>723057143
low tier bate

>>723058285
Or maybe I'm explaining the problem with boomer shooters. They're boring. There's no external evidence of progression and the setting is always some giga retarded space alien shit.
No one wants these games and they were always shit. It just took 10 years for games and graphics to get to the point of displaying something better than people wanted.
I.e. modern shooter fps

>>723058928
If you were around at the time, you would know how fast everyone jumped into Medal of Honour and Call of Duty. Games with recognisable settings and weapons.
Fact is, boomer shooters are the mario of the FPS genre. Old, stale, boring.
They are quaint in their simplicity and historical value. Beyond that, they are subpar compared to modern equivalents

>>723059604
Lol, none of that bullshit sells anymore.

>>723047125
kek

Quake Champions was a very good game

>"dude champion abilities don't do anything because devs were afraid of destroying balance!"
>get telefragged by quakeguy

>>723048194
>>723048287
This alone is why QC:DE sweeps QC itself.

>>723060079
No. It IS a very good game.

post my lizard manmeat eater wife NOW

>>723060514
Can't play it in my region anymore unfortunately
It wasn't delisted or anything there's just no one to play with

>>723061785
australia? either wait timezones or join the official 'cord

>>723061935
>australia
South America, which is weird because there's actually quite a few brazilian pros but I guess they just get their practice in with private matches

>>723055862
NTA but youre full of shit. gameplay-wise its nearly identical to quake 3, post your playtime.

>>723062010
just play on us servers lol, who cares about lag rails are much easier to hit when you're 200 ping

>>723062102
>game start
>press h to change your loadout
>each gun has a different stat
>bunch of skins for guns
>impressive/domination/tank
>f(literally ultimate)
only thing missing is the rng spray pattern

>>723060235
>I never played this game but let me tell you why it sucks

>>723062243
Post the playtime gayboy

>>723062312
not an argument

>>723047010 (OP)
The likes of PUBG and other battle royale games pushing them out sadly.

>>723047010 (OP)
Quake Champions has an absolute abomination of an engine

>>723047010 (OP)
Too much skill.
1v1 asks accountability.

>>723047613
americans are brown confirmed

>>723066082
pliz understand, smol ruzzian diveloper

>>723047010 (OP)
As an arena shooter connoisseur I can tell you exactly why.
Because of arena shooter fans.
I see it all the time, every time a new arena shooter comes out every arena shooter fan flocks to it and you have all these veterans curb stomping newbies trying to get into the game. They keep stomping until all the noobs leave and then the game loses traction and eventually everyone just goes back to quake 3/live. As much as it sucks to admit a game like quake could benefit greatly from SBMM because even a 2% difference in skill is a huge determining factor

what phonetype is this

>>723067404
QC has SBMM

>>723067458
Punchable.

>>723047010 (OP)
I never enjoyed online arena shooters or most competitive online FPS titles because cheating is so good damn prevalent it's insane.

>>723047010 (OP)
Because Quake troons would rather post about how good their dead game is than play it since playing it reminds them that it's actually shit.

>>723067458
iphone.

>>723067513
And thats why its still kicking somewhat despite many of saber's fuck ups
I just wish they would optimize it to run on lower end pcs and speed up load times

>>723047010 (OP)
Quake Champions ran like shit for a game and monetization scheme meant to bring in as many people as possible. You needed a decent rig to run it at a good framerate, and Russians simply aren't going to have the hardware.

>visit a few of these threads
>post in all caps "SOMEONE POST A LOBBY IN ANY GAME LET'S PLAY"
>no lobbies ever posted
Just like shmupfags, just like SNKfags, just like Ninja Gaidenfags, arenashooterfags do not play

>>723048016
Quake skill gap continues all the way to the top. You can be an objectively good player who dominates FFA public servers and still fail to score a single kill against a pro in a duel.

>>723068065
does anyone know how to optimise games anymore? americans don't even care at this point and just fill it up with every bloat possible, the japanese haven't made optimised games since the PS2 days, and eastern euros were always notorious for running like shit

>>723068197
You going to be on in a little bit? I'll duel you.

>>723068304
Of course, but I'm the worlds greatest QC player

>>723068298
id does, which is why it's baffling they didn't use 2016's engine for Champions and instead opted for some shitty in-house engine by Sabre.

>>723068254
stomps aren't uncommon in high level overwatch either

>>723068339
Then it will be an even match. A good chunk of this was just doing bot matches when they gave out the battle pass for one Quakecon a couple years ago.

Remember that guy who was shilling some retarded reddit game where the characters were gay robot eyeballs then genuinely wondering why it was dead

>>723068339
im also a total noob but i have to eat dinner for now(you ok with high ping?)

>>723068491
I liked the golden frag system, and I probably would have played it if he didn't take Timmy's CCP money.

I have a theory that I think modern gamers are actually taking gaming way, way too seriously
I don't mean that in the stupid ironic "dude nothing le matters xD" sense, but I mean in the sense they get legitimate anxiety if they die in a game
This is for fighting games, but this is one post of thousands I've seen and other games have this issue too
As to what causes it, I'm not exactly sure

>>723068492
High ping is fine, I'm playing from Australia so we'll all suffer

>>723047554
>Chess is super simple when you think about it, just corner the opponent's king into a dead end.

>>723068636
Once you learn how to play one game with some proficiency, it's hard to go back to being a complete noob in another.

Insane hyper reductiveness is my favourite 4chan meme
>actually being an olympic gold medallist is easy because it's just running

>>723068815
He's not really wrong. Obviously you won't be competing with pros without having intricate knowledge about how the game works, but you can easily have a good time in Quake by just running around and using whatever gun you've been autoswitched to.

My big problem is how the shooting doesn't really matter, it's about powerup memorisation and control

Alright QC anons where's the lobby

>>723068636
Oh that's easy.
Social media has made it difficult for people to have separate online and offline egos.
You need to have experienced a childhood without the digital panopticon or you'll be anxious about online interactions as much as physical ones.

LOBBY?? I INSTALLED LIKE 40GBS OF THIS SHIT JUST FOR YOU FAGS

>>723069360
Still installing.

>>723069360
my id is fugg1234

>>723069515
Can you post a lobby invite here or something? How do I find it?

>>723069662
desu i don't know either, i think you should go to contacts and try searching usernames or something

>>723047010 (OP)
Because they are shit and were always unfun

Post Quake waifus.
Wait hold up boys I just thought of an idea, arena shooter with hot anime waifus

>>723069774
>tfw we made fun of honest scene girls back in the day
Holy shit we didn't know
Nowadays girls will dress like this entirely for social media gain

Because Fortnite killed all the competition.

>>723069774
>anime girl sounds every time you jump

>>723069662
did you find it?

>>723069930
I did, there should be one or two other anons soon as well

I tried quake champions and thought it was fun. My only complaint is that it was strictly 1v1 if I remember right. I went like 3-1 or something but the game ran like absolute ass on that last pc(it was a laptop) I’m starting to think if they did a 32v32 mode it would be popular. People just don’t do 1v1s unless it’s FIGHTING GAMES anymore.

>>723047848
https://youtu.be/KwcOP8CVR5I
and that was before people starting using gyro

>>723069963
Still waiting, but I'll add fugg1234 when I'm logged in.

>>723070004
this site is for whites only

>>723070003
I am pretty sure FFA was there from the start

I really think we should switch to Quake 3, everyone has that

>>723070221
it has shitty netcode

>>723068348
I think the issue he won't admit is that in quake there's no one really to blame. every duel feels way more personal so when so when someone loses and they have no one to blame, they just quit. like with fighting games people feel helpless. but with fighting games it's different since you're memorizing combos and frame perfect bullshit someone else has done thousands of times, all on a ladder system that is shit in every iteration so someone new always runs into someone that clearly isn't new, gets shit on, and then leaves forever. in quake it's still intuitive since it's an fps game, but there's still a lot of map knowledge and movement that filters new players.

>>723047554
Cope

>>723047010 (OP)
Too "static" and repetitive for people who became well familiar with fps mechanics. It only worked in 00s because there wasn't anything better yet. Modern fps design is more about creating dynamic environments with nearly unlimited variety of possible scenarios to play around. Quake is mostly just 2 dudes jerking each other with established meta which barely changed in the past 20 years.
https://youtu.be/hjUyrAGlHJI?si=27jyJvMWNV9OVSh4

GGs
We have a lobby if anyone wants to join in Champions

>>723047010 (OP)
Less fun than CS. Impossible to play on consoles.

I'm just gonna admit it
I hate the graphics of Quake 1 and 2, and the old Doom games, and any Build engine shit or pixelshit that's modern
I love how Champions and the new Doom games look
Yeah I said it

GGs anons, can't believe people play games on /v/

Anyone wanna play reflex arena (EU)?

>>723071634
ggs it was fun fighting people of similar skill level instead of aimgod boomers

quake hampions

why are zoomers obsessed with counter strike style bhops. why has strafe jumping lost the movement war.

ggs bros

Arena FPS needs to have handicap settings so that people with some experience can still play with people who have no experience and still have a good time without intentionally sandbagging.

>>723072687
What's up with tranny redditors and le movement

>>723072687
>counter strike style bhops
>he doesn't know

bump

lobby virgins now

how come boomer shooter are super popular unlike arena shooters anyways

>>723074747
Because as people get older they play less and less multiplayer games. Since Arena FPS branched off from 90s FPS, or 'boomer shooters,' and people play more SP as the age, it makes sense they go back to those games while ignoring the MP games.

>>723074747
because people enjoy the gameplay but shart and splart their pants when it comes to having to play verse another player, they'd rather larp that they were once good at games (never were) a delusional which is shitter shattered when they go multiplayer

>>723074325
What's your username?

>>723075023
vexzel

>>723075023
>>723075086
nta but its 23:03 here can i spectate while you guys duel or something

>>723075162
I usually just play TDM and dont duel but im down to play whatever

>>723075208
i'm fugg1234(imma spectate bc im afraid i might play until 2AM or something)

>>723060079
the game itself is cool, the music, the visuals, the gameplay
what ISNT cool is everything else, the launcher, ui, complete death of custom servers and community content plus optimization
also locking that red nyx skin behind buying an amd gpu

People get bored with simply killing an opponent over and over and respawning to have it done again.

If you have a task objective that isn't simply killing, like planting a bomb with a group, people are more invested since there's an addition of more strategy and risk in dying, since you don't immediately respawn. Etc. etc.

If Quake had MAYBE added a bomb plant mode or jumped on the BR bandwagon when that was popping, it might have resurged in popularity. But arena shooters are just not good long-term game modes.

>>723062338
lmao btfo'd

this vexzel guy ain't no noob

>>723055342
>turn away when the magic rock is being elevated
>suddenly explosions and he is flying
holy fuck

I miss the early TF2 days as well as DoD:s, CS:S, and Insurgency. Curious where everyone went :(

LOBBY UP ANYONE ELSE WANNA PLAY VIDEO GAMES INSTEAD OF TALKING SHIT?

>>723075572
>People get bored with simply killing an opponent over and over and respawning to have it done again.
meanwhile the goyim buy cod and shattlefield every year mhm
the excuses people come up with the cope with being dogshit at games is hillarious

Game's dead again.

how do you change directions while strafe jumping i keep running into walls

>>723077723
if threads still up in a couple hours i'm up for playing more, i need to charge my shit + do some chores/eat

>>723077723
maybe we should make a quake general here since /vg/'s dead, and since anons seem to enjoy the game
just don't name it a general so jannkes dont delete it

>>723077756
alternate between jumping left and right to go straight, stop for a half second if you need to change direction
you start slow and work your way up, like learning to drive you build up muscle memory until u can go fast

>>723077667
people play cod because you can summon killer drone swarms with killstreaks and battlefield because it has vehicles, roles and loadouts

>>723077756
rapha has a really good movement tutorial on youtube

>>723077936
>people play cod because you can summon killer drone
who's gonna tell him?

>>723077935
do you lose speed when you stop for a moment?

>>723078090
of course you lose some momentum but not all of it, also dont hold jump because you cant go as fast as you can if you just tap it - something it took me like 100 hours to figure out

>>723047848
it's not newbie friendly, as an oldfag that used to play quake 1 and 2 in the 2000s i tried to return to quake live and it's just not fun trying to get better while getting totally owned by a small group of people who have 5000 hours in the game

when there were more players in community servers there was a normal bell curve of skill

>>723078218
ur the 200 hr guy right? do you play ranked? are you like top 20% elo in this game?

>>723078404
im the guy who was just dueling yes, i literally only ever play TDM and i dont play duel
for any copers, i am 33 yrs old and only first played qc 2 years ago, my first arena shooter was diabotical where i only played CA (a 4fun casual game mode)
all it takes is a little patience to learn the mechanics and you can have a lot of fun in this game, people overstate how high the average skill level is in these games

>>723078404
>>723078569
also i said 200 hrs but i only have 87 hours in QC and about 100-150 in diabotical but none of it is in duel

>>723078569
are they still shilling their microtransactions like crazy?

>>723078569
i feel like you could reach plat~diamond in any FPS game in like 2 weeks or something, and the guy you just fought was the best of use noobs.
if you're a below average player i think the QC playerbase has a very high skill floor(although TDM seems to be full of people terrible at the game)

>>723078773
in qc? I have no idea ive never bought any, i think they are stupid overpriced

>>723078773
apparently battlepass is like 10 dolllaridoos and give you bunch of skins
which is pretty expensive, wonder how much this game makes anyways. maybe the boomers who play this game religiously paypiggy so id doesn't axe it

>>723078862
maybe but i come from mobas/mmos and i never really got into fps until recently, but the only ones i enjoy are arena shooters, modern fps games are really unfun for me
i played a bunch of aim arena in DB and i had similar experiences, of course against an actual good player you will get raped but the average joe isnt insane like people make it out

are there any comfy UT and Quake 3 communities?

>>723047010 (OP)
You can't improve onto pefection.

>>723079039
you overestimate how good the average FPS gamer is, just boot up TF2 and observe people in pubs. in games like overwatch half the players are gold(dogshit at the game), and codfags seem to be the worst since they whine all the time about SBMM

theres nothing it offers other modern games dont have built into them. the games are just run around a room for 5 minutes and shoot each other with rockets. yeah every game has that functionality built into it with far more gameplay on top of it
>muh game is too hard for noobs
cs and dota are the most popular games on steam always. go play ranked rvials or ow and you will get shatted upon.

>>723047180
nu-cs is zoomer garbage

>>723075019
or maybe because FPS nowadays multiplayer are riddled with scripters , softlock aimbotters , wallhackers and annoying zoomers that tilt the moment they lose a few rounds.

>>723079285
>nu-cs is zoomer garbage
how? it's exactly the same as it's always been.
>inb4 you turn out to be a css baby

>>723078369
/thread

>>723078369
quake live was better when it was a free browser game and everyone was playing it

>>723079253
I don't, but apparently everyone who ever enters these threads does
they claim everyone who plays quake is a god and will absolutely destroy you with ease and theres nothing you can do, im saying the exact opposite
>captcha goys8

theres a f2p game on steam people should try, its an arena fps and it has some movement tech but the weapons are bizzaro and the map changes every round
STRAFTAT, it looks shit but its really fun, im down to set up a lobby soon if people are down, its only 1v1 or 2v2

>>723079253
tf2 is a bad example since it´s inflated with bots and basically running on lifesupport.

>>723079565
Quake has such a wide skill gap that it can feel like everyone is a god.

>>723079565
gold is the most populated rank in almost all FPS games, 2/3rds of people in most games are gold, silver or bronze. this is the first result i got when i looked up "overwatch gold gameplay"
https://youtu.be/us2QpL37c5c
now do you think this nigga would be able to survive in quake champions? it's true that there's almost no bronze~gold level noobs in QC for other noobs to match with

>>723079926
of course, but im just saying the average level isnt as high as people make out, i got destroyed for a week or two just playing a couple hours a day
but after i got used to it, i do fine in most TDM matches

>>723079784
>its only 1v1 or 2v2
oh so it is shit then

>>723080092
its short one life rounds, and its a lot of fun, you can do 1v1v1v1 also i think but i usually do 2v2 with friends
what keeps it interesting is theres hundreds of maps

>>723079956
maybe you're right idk, but playing 3k hours in a game and still being shit isnt for me i cant relate

>>723047010 (OP)
Because it's not a team game, people need teammates to blame for losing.

>deathmatch: you vs the cheaters
>team match: you and others + cheaters vs cheaters and others
In quake unreal or whatever, anyone with aimbot and wallhack instantly deletes all fun from the game. In counter strike you can still annoy that fucker by planting a bomb or even just helping your cheater kick his ass.

>>723047010 (OP)
Not as much fun compared to other games. Halo is about the most popular one and its nearly dead too. CA is the most popular gametype in Quake and UT, could probably focus on that or just make it like control with no respawns from Overwatch. Dueling I think could work but with even shorter rounds closer to a fighting game.

old cod mogs than quakeslop

>>723080727
Fucking this. Quake Live has so many cheaters it's not even funny.
>Oh you just went 50-6 on FFA Campgrounds with 34 players?
>Must be totally legit.

>>723047010 (OP)
>captcha: DDK
No one actually wants to play an Arena shooter, even at quakecon its every game but quake. The reason being either a massive ego or no will to get crushed and keep going.

bump

STRAFTAT FAGGOTS LETS GOOO

https://store.steampowered.com/app/2386720/STRAFTAT/

Because they suck ass

>>723081879
or the game is old ans basic af

>>723083229
ur mums sucks nigger cocks

>>723083162
not buying your shitty tranny game

>>723083336
its free
guarantee this faggot plays gacha and tranime rpgs

>>723047010 (OP)
They're too difficult I guess

>>723071107
>smiles after you check out her ass
oh god

>>723083432
shills aren't sending their best are they

>>723047010 (OP)
Is there literally anyone under 30 who's played an arena shooter?

>>723083656
>u-ur a shill.. t-tranny... for a free.. game?
kill yourself nigger

>>723084215
>t.Léonard Lemaitre

>>723079347
No, 1.6, I'm sure someone here will think I'm 1.6 baby while they grew old with the OG hl mod. Css was shit with puffy ragdoll physics, and from csgo onwards the gambling era reigned supreme.
It's the map making community I miss the most from 1.6. deathrun_orgy was, despite being shit, my most popular release.

>>723047390
Arena shooters are just boring and primitive. Unironically think Fortnite has a bigger skill gap/complexity if you include building and shooting.

I am 35 years old, I know what the fuck I'm talking about.

>>723047390
>Unreal are hyperactive ADHD simulators
unreal tournament was always a casual franchise
what the hell are you talking about?

>>723085397
>I am 35 years old
GRIM

I'm no good against human opponents.

>>723085532
Arena shooters were fun back then but gameplay has evolved and blossomed into new interesting shit. I'm not going to pretend that arena shooters is the ultimate holy grail of all to prove I'm some veteran FPS god. Fortnite is far more interesting. And just because le kids play it I'm not going to pretend that it's some casualslop because it's not. If you think Fortnite is some kids game and think arena shooters is some complex thing, go and play Fortnite ranked. You might play through some bot lobbies but once you hit a match with some real players you're fucked.

>>723054035
>I'm fine with it being dead. Oh yea there's also the modern arena shooter
>>Less content and features than Quake 3
>>Stupid expensive
>>Ugly as shit
>>Shit weapons and shit maps
>>Everyone will just go back to playing Quake instead of playing a shittier version
fuck you quake fanboy
warsow is better than quake

>>723055487
terrible bait

>>723077667
>the excuses people come up with the cope with being dogshit at games is hillarious
rapha the quake champion tried to play overwatch and he was at best a decent player
dont be stupid

>>723087191
any 35yo trying to switch to a new game is gonna have a bad time

>>723089121
it was 8 years ago not now

Alright installed quake champions.

Now what?

Quakefags failed at OW, because OW is a team game that depends on using abilities more than raw pew-pew. OW also barely has movement tech that can separate good players from bad.

>>723068815
Yeah, it is. Chess has been solved as a game decades ago. It's why people now play shit like Fischer Random Chess.

>>723090275
>failed
More like people just refused to play a shitty game.

>>723053728
>I'll wait, I have all day.
Yes it certainly sounds that way