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Anonymous No.723157958 [Report] >>723158143 >>723159276 >>723161259 >>723162110 >>723163110 >>723171741 >>723173562 >>723176924
Bullet hell/danmaku was the natural evolution of the shmup genre and gave it its own unique identity, as opposed to just another arcade game where you can shoot things that might blend in with run 'n' gun, rail shooters, and so on.
Anonymous No.723158143 [Report] >>723158202 >>723161253 >>723164568
>>723157958 (OP)
Perhaps you'd have something more interesting to say about this genre if you actually played the games instead of pulling screenshots of phone ports off google and making a shit thread every single day.
Anonymous No.723158202 [Report]
>>723158143
Looks like somebody got his shit thread archived in at 0 replies again!
Anonymous No.723159276 [Report] >>723159424 >>723159507 >>723186005
>>723157958 (OP)
So... which shmups did you played recently, OP?
Anonymous No.723159290 [Report] >>723159361
It's true but I wish there were more games inspired by anything that's not CAVE, 2hu or awkward gradius clones.
Anonymous No.723159361 [Report] >>723159424 >>723178094
>>723159290
True, I want more Takumi and Psikyo inspired shooter
Anonymous No.723159424 [Report] >>723161049
>>723159276
Not OP but I played Batrider months ago and TSS very recently.

>>723159361
>Psikyo inspired shooter
You mean a gunbird clone or very fast bullet spreads?
Anonymous No.723159507 [Report] >>723159769 >>723161049
>>723159276
Actually Dodonpachi resurrection but not the phone version
Anonymous No.723159635 [Report] >>723159773 >>723164143
I'm playing Batsugun. I'm already managing to reach the boss of stage 4, but he's kind of raping me.
I'm playing Escathos too. The way to multiply points by destroying two entire waves of enemies in a row is easy enough at first, but after the first boss it gets really hard to keep the multiplier high. But the game is really fun, I feel like I play it more like Tetris, trying to get good scores, than actually trying to finish the game.
Anonymous No.723159769 [Report] >>723159803
>>723159507
Are you the retard with the youtube channel full of /pol/ schizo stuff that hasn't played shmups in over a year
Anonymous No.723159773 [Report]
>>723159635
>I feel like I play it more like Tetris, trying to get good scores, than actually trying to finish the game.
Well these things aren't exactly in opposition. You can get more score by playing more stages on one credit.
Anonymous No.723159803 [Report]
>>723159769
No, I don't have a yt channel
Anonymous No.723161049 [Report] >>723161179
>>723159424
>>723159507
Ok good to know. I have an itch for Dodonpachi recently, and I'm grinding in order to get to 2-6 or maybe 2-7 with C-L. Dying in the first loop it's so ass and chaining feels ackward without hypers, but I still love this game. My current pb atm is 2-5
Anonymous No.723161114 [Report]
Speaking of DFK, the DOJ version of the dolls looked better imo. Wish they also had the original A.I and Perfect.
Anonymous No.723161179 [Report]
>>723161049
Good luck with the 2-ALL then
Anonymous No.723161253 [Report] >>723161349
>>723158143
>Tranime
Anonymous No.723161259 [Report] >>723161996 >>723169156
>>723157958 (OP)
Not necessarily
Two of the universally agreed-upon greatest most timeless shmups of all time are non-danmaku (yes even high rank Garegga doesn't count, big hitbox = not bullet hell)
Anonymous No.723161349 [Report]
>>723161253
He's a faggot indeed but the anime isn't the issue here.
Anonymous No.723161996 [Report] >>723162101 >>723162102
>>723161259
Do the people who praise raizing games even play them, why are these threads so insanely shit? Why can't you people stay on /vr/?
Anonymous No.723162101 [Report] >>723162254
>>723161996
Batrider is cool. The system menu stuff is retarded tho
Anonymous No.723162102 [Report] >>723162254
>>723161996
That's one boss + you still have a large hitbox. Glow Squid shoots a lot of bullets too, still not bullet hell.
Anonymous No.723162110 [Report] >>723162264
>>723157958 (OP)
Danmaku are just rhythm games without the music.
Anonymous No.723162254 [Report] >>723162430
>>723162102
>you still have a large hitbox.
You literally don't, batrider has an extremely tiny hit box.
>>723162101
I'm liking raizing less and less these days.
Anonymous No.723162264 [Report] >>723162358 >>723162437
>>723162110
>without the music
What did he mean by this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=muuApOJSP9E
Anonymous No.723162358 [Report] >>723162703
>>723162264
>every song name in their OST is a tribute to every shmup company they respect
Cute
Anonymous No.723162430 [Report] >>723162479 >>723162627
>>723162254
I can't find any images of the Batrider characters' hitboxes online but it feels about as big as Garegga
Anonymous No.723162437 [Report] >>723162517
>>723162264
and does that music sync up to the gameplay in any way?
Anonymous No.723162479 [Report]
>>723162430
It's smol
Anonymous No.723162517 [Report] >>723166051
>>723162437
the music is always synced to the gameplay in an autoscroller.
Anonymous No.723162627 [Report] >>723162713 >>723163006
>>723162430
The hit box is neither batrider nor garegga is large.
Anonymous No.723162703 [Report]
>>723162358
Devs used to be just a bunch of guys who like to make vidya and often took inspiration from each other.
Also Ikeda worked for Toaplan.
Anonymous No.723162713 [Report]
>>723162627
That is big
Anonymous No.723162739 [Report]
bullet hell is slot
Anonymous No.723163006 [Report] >>723163153
>>723162627
Compared to bullet hell ones being only a few pixels that large.
Also I believe the bullets themselves have accurate hitboxes.
Anonymous No.723163110 [Report] >>723169620
>>723157958 (OP)
Daifukkatsu is criminally misunderstood and underrated.
Stage 5 one of the best designed shmup stages (for scoring) ever.
Anonymous No.723163153 [Report] >>723163284 >>723163291 >>723164274
>>723163006
>Compared to bullet hell ones being only a few pixels that large
Not really
Anonymous No.723163284 [Report] >>723164274
>>723163153
I thought Type-B in WL had a larger hitbox than Type-A
Anonymous No.723163291 [Report] >>723163469
>>723163153
These are smaller. Also DOJ bullets can be 1x1 iirc
Anonymous No.723163469 [Report] >>723163590
>>723163291
>These are smaller.
They are 1 pixel smaller.
>Also DOJ bullets can be 1x1 iirc
The bullets in raizing games are plenty small, because they don't play around with visual tricks and just make bullets really hard to see instead. Like you can squeeze between a forked bullet in batrider, that's how insanely small the hitbox is.
Anonymous No.723163590 [Report] >>723163659
>>723163469
>because they don't play around with visual tricks and just make bullets really hard to see instead
Why are they like this
Anonymous No.723163659 [Report] >>723163798
>>723163590
I don't know why you keep giving me non-responses, I'm not really interested in having a discussion with you
Anonymous No.723163798 [Report] >>723163959 >>723163973
>>723163659
>I'm not really interested in having a discussion with you
Why replying then?
Anonymous No.723163959 [Report]
>>723163798
Because every day it's the same threads with the same retarded disinformation and low effort responses to string conversation along. I have no idea why there are so many retarded transsexuals here obsessed with being a permanent thread nanny and spewing the most poisonous lies imaginable on a daily basis. I'm here to inform people of that.
Anonymous No.723163973 [Report]
>>723163798
He's condescending but also an attention whore hence why he feels the need to keep posting in these threads despite hating it so much
Anonymous No.723164143 [Report]
>>723159635
Stage 4 boss is the big wall of that game, you can do it, ganbatte
Anonymous No.723164274 [Report]
>>723163284
You might be thinking about the official guide, it had that image swapped for some weird reason. But it's their fault, the actual in-game hitboxes are as shown in >>723163153
And if you have the M2 port there is another picture with correct hitboxes.
Anonymous No.723164568 [Report] >>723164881
>>723158143
Ironic coming from a known megalomaniac liar and wannabe janny
Anonymous No.723164881 [Report] >>723165130 >>723165267
>>723164568
Meanwhile his threads: >>723151345
>cover art
>on easy
Anonymous No.723164974 [Report]
Sol Divide... Sikiyo Melee Shmup... No one ever played it you faggot posers...
Anonymous No.723165130 [Report] >>723165179 >>723165330
>>723164881
I am not him and this is literally my first shmup you anime nigger go off yourself
Anonymous No.723165179 [Report] >>723165272
>>723165130
You tried
Anonymous No.723165267 [Report]
>>723164881
I did not respond to that thread because it is just a picture of box art and it's impossible for me to help that anon anyways, as they have posted no information about what their issue is. Additionally, that game is kind of just really lame and I don't like discussing games with a sword and sorcery aesthetic in general because it's like catnip for retards.
Anonymous No.723165272 [Report]
>>723165179
you absolute nigger, no wonder no one likes you
Anonymous No.723165316 [Report] >>723165678
Sol Divide is impossible, in my opinion.
Anonymous No.723165330 [Report]
>>723165130
kek, eat shit fag
Anonymous No.723165562 [Report] >>723165639 >>723165676 >>723165678
so what do you guys do in these threads
Anonymous No.723165639 [Report]
>>723165562
Trick beginners into playing garbage.
Get angry about people who play shmups.
Bump the thread over and over.
Anonymous No.723165676 [Report]
>>723165562
Post about shmups
Jaded depressed nigger gets mad because he thinks he's too good for 4chan yet won't go outside and do anything else
Make fun of that guy
Thread reaches 500 posts out of spite
Anonymous No.723165678 [Report]
>>723165316
It looks easier than the more traditional Psikyo shmups.

>>723165562
Apparently shitpost until somebody asks a serious question or says they are trying to clear a game, answer to him, and then go back shitposting.
Anonymous No.723165795 [Report] >>723166704
Loops are like an afterthought to me. I see it as a sort of bonus new game+ for people wanting to go for competitive high scores. But also something that’s mainly for the best players to get much out of. I hardly ever try to do them unless there are content unlocks or achievements tied to it

But you could develop a game around loops all the same and it still be good I think
Anonymous No.723166051 [Report]
>>723162517
Daioujou doesn't endlessly autoscroll, it pauses at segments on the stage until they are cleared. There are games where the music is choreographed to the stages, but not that one.
Anonymous No.723166704 [Report]
>>723165795
>I see it as a sort of bonus new game+ for people wanting to go for competitive high scores. But also something that’s mainly for the best players to get much out of.
Yeah.
>I hardly ever try to do them
That's fine. I also don't do NG+ in many other genres, when I do it is because they actually add mechanics or maybe extra stages. In the case of CAVE TLBs they don't look particularly worth the effort but you can have some fun trying to beat them in the ports with stage select if you really want to see how the fight plays out.
Anonymous No.723166921 [Report] >>723167160
you guys have to come up with better baits if you want these threads to thrive
Anonymous No.723167160 [Report]
>>723166921
It's a janitor making these weenie hut junior threads. If I make a real one it'll just get deleted.
Anonymous No.723168684 [Report]
Bumpan ebin general
Anonymous No.723169156 [Report]
>>723161259
But the hitboxes are small in garegga. Not really small but quite a bit small than the the ship sprites.
Anonymous No.723169620 [Report]
>>723163110
Fuck it, I like the bullet cancelled hypers and blocking the lasers.
Anonymous No.723170330 [Report] >>723170403 >>723170827
What's a simple and straightforward PC shmup to dip my toes into where I don't really have to worry about hypers, bullet cancels, even bombs and other extra mechanics and just need to focus on the basic pattern reading and execution?
Anonymous No.723170403 [Report] >>723170494
>>723170330
Mushihimesama. It has bombs and that's it.
Anonymous No.723170494 [Report]
>>723170403
Also Toa-style powerups to change your weapon but that's not exactly a complex mechanic, just stick with the color you picked at the start.
Anonymous No.723170827 [Report]
>>723170330
OverObj, but it's kinda hard
Anonymous No.723171243 [Report] >>723171298
I got like 5 2cc's in Ludo Kino (that's Sol Divide if you are a normie btw), I will end my life by playing danmaku slop I think
Anonymous No.723171298 [Report] >>723171469
>>723171243
1cc or bust
Anonymous No.723171469 [Report]
>>723171298
it's quantity over quality in my mediocre chudcel life
Anonymous No.723171698 [Report]
poser thread
Anonymous No.723171741 [Report] >>723171864 >>723171908 >>723171964 >>723171991
>>723157958 (OP)
For the life of me I've just never been able to get into SHMUPs or bullet hell games. It's weird because I love Metal Slug, I think the routing in that and trying to get a 1CC is super fun, but I try something like Zeroranger and I'm just not having as much fun.
Have I not played the game that'll make it all click or is the genre just not for me?
Anonymous No.723171864 [Report] >>723173213
>>723171741
try crimzon clover or raiden fighters jet
Anonymous No.723171908 [Report] >>723173213
>>723171741
They are very different genres, even if you have the right mindeset for arcade 1ccs.
Anonymous No.723171964 [Report] >>723173213
>>723171741
>Have I not played the game that'll make it all click or is the genre just not for me?
You can't even savestate practice in zeroranger and its twice as long as most other shumps. Additionally, any recommendation you get in this thread will be absolutely terrible, as being a newfag retard and begging for spoonfeeding will only get you answers from other newfag retards.
Anonymous No.723171991 [Report] >>723173213
>>723171741
>I try something like Zeroranger and I'm just not having as much fun.
No wonder. Maybe you should try playing an actually good shmup (like one of those it shamelessly apes) someday.
Anonymous No.723172274 [Report] >>723172748 >>723178852
https://store.steampowered.com/app/744050/Space_Invaders_Extreme/
here's the only real shmup they made
Anonymous No.723172748 [Report]
>>723172274
not even a top 10 taito shmup
Anonymous No.723173139 [Report] >>723173485
Natsuki Chronicles worth playing?
Anonymous No.723173213 [Report] >>723173334 >>723173884
>>723171864
I might give Raiden Fighters a try, thanks for the suggestion.
>>723171908
Yeah, that's what I was worried about. It sucks because I feel like there are a lot more quality SHMUPs out there than quality run n gun games, but maybe that's just the grass being greener.
>>723171964
>You can't even savestate practice in zeroranger and its twice as long as most other shumps
That definitely matters for a 1CC but I don't think that's as important as the basic moment to moment gameplay being fun.
>being a newfag retard and begging for spoonfeeding will only get you answers from other newfag retards
Wouldn't the taste of a fellow retard match mine, anon?
>>723171991
>Maybe you should try playing an actually good shmup (not that I'm going to mention any lol)
I'm sorry for bringing up a game that you have an autistic hatred for.
Anonymous No.723173334 [Report]
>>723173213
Don't reply to the onimai shitposter
Anonymous No.723173485 [Report]
>>723173139
Yes, dirty cheap too
Anonymous No.723173562 [Report]
>>723157958 (OP)
Any upcoming shmups you people are looking forward to? Rainchaser is about the only one on my radar.
Anonymous No.723173884 [Report] >>723173978
>>723173213
>Wouldn't the taste of a fellow retard match mine, anon?
No, if they aren't actually playing and beating the games. Like its pretty fucking stupid to just ask "what games should I play". You should look at what people are passionate about and playing that makes you think "I want to do that do", and you can further narrow that field to what's doable for a beginner, but honestly most shmups are doable for a beginner. Like look up a "1cc with commentary" that looks interesting to you, or better yet a total beginners walkthrough of that 1cc, and follow that and do it yourself, so you can learn what the genre is about.
Anonymous No.723173978 [Report]
>>723173884
>that do
*that too
Anonymous No.723176449 [Report] >>723176516 >>723176625 >>723177942
hehehehehheheehhehehe my first 1cc/1-ALL (its easy once you look up strats and see how busted up slash is on some bosses)
Anonymous No.723176516 [Report] >>723176572
>>723176449
>difficulty level 1
0/10 apply yourself.
Anonymous No.723176572 [Report] >>723176631 >>723177942
>>723176516
1cc is 1cc =)
Anonymous No.723176625 [Report] >>723177036
>>723176449
>city connection
ewwwww
Anonymous No.723176631 [Report] >>723177012
>>723176572
Easy mode 1cc aren't worth much
Anonymous No.723176924 [Report]
>>723157958 (OP)
i love cave style bullet hell games as sort of finely honed gems of code forged in the kiln of the arcade industry and all of its financial incentives, a kind of tug of war between talented devs and highly skilled players that yielded amazing games. i also realize they were kind of like slot machines where instead of winning money, you just kept putting in more quarters
adventure / "euro" shmups are highly underrated tho. less punishing space adventures with weird plots and cool music kinda rule also.
Anonymous No.723177012 [Report]
>>723176631
boy do I hate inflation
Anonymous No.723177036 [Report]
>>723176625
Yeah psikyo ports got the short end of the stick.
Anonymous No.723177942 [Report] >>723178028
>>723176449
>>723176572
Congrats on the 1cc Anon!
Anonymous No.723178028 [Report]
>>723177942
thank you bro
Anonymous No.723178094 [Report]
>>723159361
>True, I want more Takumi and Psikyo inspired shooter
Dangun Feveron, then?
Anonymous No.723178852 [Report] >>723179386
>>723172274
Not even the best game in its own series. Extreme 2 mogged it.
Anonymous No.723179386 [Report] >>723182092
>>723178852
>mogged
Brown
Anonymous No.723180446 [Report] >>723180829
Pilot post
Anonymous No.723180829 [Report] >>723181219
>>723180446
Me after this
https://streamable.com/sys6fz
and this
https://streamable.com/unw2mb
Anonymous No.723181219 [Report] >>723181332
>>723180829
Why can't all the cave games get ported to steam, I tried playing dodonpachi resurrection today and I don't care for it much.
Anonymous No.723181332 [Report] >>723182231 >>723182663 >>723187220
>>723181219
Eh Mame emulates it perfectly either way. But yeah not sure why they would port so much on Steam except fucking DOJ.
Don't shoot during that pattern, all these bullets appear only if you hit the red lasers.
Anonymous No.723182092 [Report]
>>723179386
Obsessed
Anonymous No.723182231 [Report]
>>723181332
>they
Different publishers. M2 is famous for not settling for anything less accurate than PS4/Switch. No two PC builds are exactly alike, but closeness to arcade-perfection can be achieved on consoles which are the same hardware across the board.
Anonymous No.723182663 [Report] >>723183913
>>723181332
thanks for the tip anon, but i just grabbed the screenshot from the steam store, and don't plan on playing the game much. I did buy mushi which I enjoy much more.
Anonymous No.723183913 [Report] >>723185881 >>723187220
>>723182663
nta, but protip for Mushi: At the end of the stage 3, right before the boss fight, there are two pillars on either side of the central weak point. Destroy both pillars and THEN the center, you get a hidden 1-up. You're allowed to bomb while going for it, this ain't Ketsui.
Anonymous No.723185881 [Report] >>723187042
>>723183913
thanks anon
Anonymous No.723186005 [Report]
>>723159276
ntayrt, but I played Deathsmiles and Imperishable Night recently
Anonymous No.723186269 [Report] >>723187220
What is there to talk about in this genre? You dodge bullets and shoot other things.
Anonymous No.723187042 [Report]
>>723185881
Not a prob. Enjoy your Mushi.
Anonymous No.723187220 [Report] >>723189646
>>723186269
Strats on a per-game basis. (e.g. >>723183913
and >>723181332)
Fanart.
Soundtrack links.
Discussing new shmups that just came out.
Anonymous No.723189646 [Report] >>723190694 >>723191918
>>723187220
>Strats on a per-game basis
Those aren't very intelligent or in depth strats
Anonymous No.723189956 [Report] >>723190251 >>723190762
Anonymous No.723190251 [Report]
>>723189956
Don't linger in the middle, just go to the bottom and stream left to the corner
Anonymous No.723190694 [Report]
>>723189646
I'd argue that survival strats for DFK's final stage and hidden 1-up strats for Cave games in general are helpful, especially for anyone new to them.
Anonymous No.723190762 [Report] >>723190843
>>723189956
nice clear from a savestate!
Anonymous No.723190843 [Report]
>>723190762
thanks!
Anonymous No.723191918 [Report] >>723192173
>>723189646
There are techniques you can use, such as certain movement patterns. What I find fun about shoot 'em ups is discovering tactics that work, when you gradually develop a strategy that, if executed correctly during the game, yields good results.
For example, at a certain point, you realize that if you make a U-shaped movement, you attract the shots from one of the boss stages in a way that makes it easy, so when you're in that part, you apply your U-movement tactic, and as soon as you pass that specific boss stage, you quickly adapt to what comes next.
I find this interesting, but things don't always work that way. At higher levels of gameplay, you start to enter the realm of pure memorization (I think, I don't have the ability or patience to reach extreme levels of gameplay), and then I get the impression that the game starts to feel more like speedrunner autism than something dynamic and interesting.
Anonymous No.723192173 [Report]
>>723191918
I was about to mention the U-shaped tactic.
I'd still argue against it being pure memorization. Remembering what comes next is half of it. The other half is not choking under pressure. For example, even after all my years of playing Espgaluda 1, I still choke on the final form, and haven't 1CC'd it yet.