Thread 723184951

in valkyria chronicles you have a gun fired by kurt

>>723185329
>we need a gun that's gonna hurt

i love burst weapons but so many people hate them without explanation, what's wrong with burst weapons?

>>723186671
It's a pointless limitation that only exists to stop retards wasting ammo IRL. You can burst fire just fine with a fully automatic

>>723186671
Because sometime you may accidentally use more rounds to kill someone plus the delay between bursts

>>723186671
literally pointless in games unless they do the an94 justice and add the hyperburst then its another story

>>723184951 (OP)
Why? Are people unable to maintain trigger control?

>>723186671
They're super annoying, that's what.

let me guess, you need more?

>>723184951 (OP)
>we need an overpowered lategame stealth rifle

>>723184951 (OP)
My experience is this is the burst fire rifle in games

>>723190984
Late 90s/early 2000s Russian military tech was so kino, what the fuck happened bros?

>>723186671
Control. I'd rather stick with semiauto or tap firing for a gun that is on automatic by default. Burst is too wasteful in my eyes.

>>723190984
>Using this thing pre-patch in MW2019
pure kino

>>723191218
For me it's the Helghast space FAMAS.

>>723186671
In Planetside 2 burst weapons are the best in the game.

>>723191218
>we need to make a burst fire mechanic that has zero redeeming qualities over the auto fire
why do they keep doing this?

>>723191218
Was going to post this.
Every single time this gun has ever been in a game it's a 3 shot burst.
Is it just Metal Gear Solid to blame for this or is the FAMAS notable for it's burst capability in some way? I'm not /k/ at all.

>>723191464
it was like cold war 2 and they tried to innovate the infantry weapons while everyone else stopped developing any weapons at all after the 90s
the vss, as val, an94, aek, all have this interesting prototype feel and I love the ideas they were trying but sadly never resulted into anything worthwhile
nowadays guns are so fucking boring
I wish someone would do something neat like the g11 again

>>723192092
The "gun" has already been perfected, it doesn't need more. Now, the next frontier is developing new types of ammo for it. Like star wars laser weapons n shit.

>>723192092
>nowadays guns are so fucking boring
That's an understatement. Look at most games today when they need to pad out the weapon lists. They will pull up literally 60 year old shit because the stuff now is so fucking generic. Same with cars nothing sticks out anymore unless it's some borderline retard design like the Tesla boxtruck.

>>723193245
>How many pulleys do you want Boris?
>Da

>>723193245
it has boobs on the barrel on the side therefore firing it is gay no matter how many miners you can rescue with it's loading system

>>723191921
The Famas is full auto in MGS1, dipshit.

>>723193481
>boobs = gay

>>723191675
"i like my mateba"

>>723191218

Is there any game that you can use the FAMAS G2? Literally every game only has the F1 for some reason

>>723193761
intravenous 2
but it doesnt matter much. its just a bunch of pixels in top down perspective. It fires fast as fuck but you can just modify another rifle to fire fast and you get the same feeling

>>723184951 (OP)
>Burst rifle can be modified into full auto, despite presence of assault rifles that are automatic by default.
You can't name something more liberating.

>>723191605
>>723191675
outclassed by 2 rounds.

>>723196372
How is the cylinder release supposed to work on that? Push and not pull? Never used one that's encased like that.

>>723196948
S&W's have been push release for at least a 100 years.

>>723197298
How come the end of it is milled?

>>723184951 (OP)
You posted the wrong pic, op.

>>723193245
>A FUCKING PULLEY

>we need a gun that fucking sucks
Not kidding, those were pretty much the actual requirements that Russian Empire had for their new service revolver.

>>723197759
Only in L4D2 tho.

>>723184951 (OP)
>We need a gun that uses German Space Magic to fire three-round bursts

>>723193761
>Game has a remaster that ruins the original's aesthetic

>>723198948
It was alright in Tanneburg minus that horrendous reload. The No. 3 Russian was the real piece of shit because it suffered from the garbage aim sway that all Ruski weapons had from the nugget dragoons to the 1895s.

>>723186671
The burst function is genuinely fucking terrible in real life.

>>723200227
I know how useful they are, but god I hate Poocatinny rails for ruining gun aesthetics forever.

>>723200687
Form > Functionality

>>723184951 (OP)
>we need a 9mm starter gu-
>sir it's already here

>>723199805
That three round burst has a mean kick.

>>723186671
Have you ever used it in real life? It's retarded.
>t.retarded Marine

>>723199805
>We need a gun that is designed by a man named German and fires three-round bursts faster than German Space Magic

>>723188957
No, I do not. Always funny to see kids jump straight to the soviet side in refrogger because muh automatic rifle.

>bo6 has the M16A2 but it's a conversion for the xm4
>still has the incorrect 20rd mag that holds 30rds and the extended is the 30rd stanag holding 45
Why can't these retard devs do anything right?

>>723200976
Tenka rifle if he real

>>723201020
Most of them have never even been in the same room as a gun.

>>723192482
Love the MAC aesthetics
Don't really like the added rails here

>>723186671
>wastes ammo when the number of hits needed to kill something isn't divisible by 3
>recoil can be so bad that aiming at anything other than center mass will make you miss one or two shots
>semi-auto is good for headshotting and conserving ammo, full auto is good when you need to kill something quickly at closer ranges, burst fire is kind of a combination of both of them but also redundant

>>723193245
It's so fucking ugly though. It's like they finished designing and machining the rifle and then realized they forgot to leave room for the grip, so they half attach it to the stock.

>>723200825
>we need a 9mm starter gun that fires in bursts

>>723193761
For the love of God Saint-Étienne just unbullpup the Famas already

>>723184951 (OP)
>we need a gun for our mobster game

>>723186671

It doesn't offer the kind of tactical freedom that full-auto does, making the feature redundant. At that point, you might as well make the rifle semi-auto only

t. Army

>>723184951 (OP)
>we need a gun that fires
Say no more.

>>723205715
>Hold down LMB to shoot
Hmm....................nah.

>>723205805
>fill it with a 50/50 mix of water and piss
>win

>>723206003
if he shoots ya, it's gonna herps.
Herp is apparently a real word that is short for herptile which just means reptilian.

>>723184951 (OP)
Yes we do.

>>723188957
>bayonet
This became obsolete by the time of the 20th century, gramps.

>>723206003
>fill it with cyanide
>becomes the strongest weapon in the game

>>723184951 (OP)
Is this the most painfully generic and plain looking gun known to man?

>>723188957
why is his sidearm dangling on his back, like a faggot, and not on his hip or plate carrier for quick access?
this AI slop?

>>723207195
>>723207195
They're still useful but nobody likes how it "looks" to stab people on purpose. They were used successfully even in Iraq

>>723206795
Range toy

>>723186671
Burstcucks get the rope. There will be no explanation.

>>723193761
What's so great about the g2?

>>723201020
I seriously don’t understand how or why an artist would be able to make this mistake, and I don’t know much about guns. This is just basic info one should be aware of after collecting reference photos, I would think.
Maybe they just used premade assets or had some internal reason for using the wrong magazine.

>>723207195
There has been multiple knife and bayonet kills in Ukraine boomer

>>723203007
wtf is this thing

>>723186671
2-stage binary triggers are cooler.

>>723207797
That's just a meme.
>stab people
It's way more effective to shoot them, and if you can poke them you could have just pulled the trigger.
>>723208506
Slavic incompetence does not mean a strategy or piece of equipment is good. There was washing machine looting in Ukraine, that doesn't make viking style raids for home appliances a practical choice.

>>723208584
Folding foregrip.

>>723208957
Thanks. I never knew what it was for years.

>>723201557
i understand
i love big surpressors, sights and lasers glued onto it thoughbever

>>723208584
a "foregrip"

>>723208892
>There was washing machine looting in Ukraine, that doesn't make viking style raids for home appliances a practical choice.
kek
i now picture slavs doing the halflife 2 washingmachine physics puzzle in an IRL warzone

>>723184951 (OP)
>>723186671
>shooting three times when you click once
>when unpredictable recoil exists
it will never feel right both IRL and in vidya because burst-fire is just pointless
>Command: We need more rounds downstream!
>smart solution: carry smgs and lmgs
>dipshit solution: durrrr what if we made .308 automatic rifles hurrrr beeg boolet!!!!

>>723208892
anon, people run out of bullets all the time. Also, no gun is truly silent and still practical for widespread use. Charging positions still can cause soldiers to rout if done properly. The bigger issue is that according to Geneva convention you're not supposed to kill retreating soldiers. Bayonetting kinda necessitates that they are losing and abandoning the position (although not always). Public wants clean kills like you were hunting deer for pelts.

>>723208986
Goofiest usage I can think of it is Ghost in the Shell having an assassin use it from across the street in single shot.

But folded it does look cool like some weird mini-bayonet.

>>723193481
How does looking at boobs make one gay

>>723186671
Burst fire was conceptually a military R&D meme about multiple projectiles increasing statistical hit accuracy. They did duplex and triplex bullets, flechettes, etc. It also came from draftees spraying and praying.

Decades later and I don't think anyone considers burst fire to be tactically a good thing.

>>723209296
>anon, people run out of bullets all the time.
No they don't.
>Also, no gun is truly silent and still practical for widespread use
Stabbing people is way louder than shooting them with a suppressed weapon. Don't make up some james bond shit about stabbing them while clamping their mouth shut, that's not gonna work with a bayonet.
>Charging positions still can cause soldiers to rout if done properly.
Shooting them works a lot better, especially considering your charge is over the second the enemy shoots at you. Bayonet charges were obsolete a century ago with the proliferation of the machinegun.
>The bigger issue is that according to Geneva convention you're not supposed to kill retreating soldiers
No it does not. You are 1000% allowed to kill retreating soldiers.

You are wrong on all counts and have no idea what you're talking about but are blathering on and on anyway over one incident the bongs made up about a bayonet charge where literally no one got bayoneted.

>>723200227
Black ops 1, what the fuck was treyarch smoking

>>723208892
>slavic incompetence
Is that why the Rangers and other special operations forces are starting to retrain in trench warfare?

>>723204892
>this time for sure!

>>723210549
Yes.

>>723192092
They seriously were doing some shit in the late 90s. I love the macs but the pp2k has such a provocative design.

for me it's
>dogshit early-game smg that misses half the shots at anything beyond 20m
mp5
>overpowered late-game smg with triple the magazine capacity and accuracy of any rifle
p90

>>723201020
In Black Ops 1, the Colt Python's snub nose modification increases its accuracy

>>723212205
Shorter barrels are stiffer leading to increased accuracy due to better barrel harmonics.

>>723210558
>we need a new rifle!
ok
>also it needs to be the exact same as our current ones!
ok
>also we changed our mind, we'll stick with what we have!

Why does /v/ and /k/ seem to hate each other so much? Just an observation I’ve made over the years.

>>723210558
It just keeps happening.

>>723184951 (OP)
>and is OP as fuck
this thing with a silencer and you're fucking good to go
I personally loved it with silencer and holographic sight

>>723212396
HK's entry was never getting off the ground. You need to be a master watchmaker to service it.

>>723212317
2022 killed /k/.

>invent gun
>70 years later
>same gun

>>723209749
The new Modern Warfare 2 unironically has some charming nicknames, like "Expedite" for the Benelli, 'Broadside' for the Fossberg automatic shotgun, and 'Carrack' for the Walther WA2000

>>723184951 (OP)
Probably more of a cost saving feature than a tactical consideration and empowering mode.

TLDR: It's fucking stupid.

But fools would waste ammo untill running out of it. And firing fills the feed with shit in that POS design. More firing more jams. So soon they can be expected from clean to a few hundred. Several in between.
A death sentence when clearing rooms.
Nescessitating a pistol that will be drawn too late.
That said the real enemy is government and the war is at home.

>>723186859
Having a burst selector allows you to have a fire rate that isn't easily controllable manually.

>>723186995
Loved modern warfare for this, if you used semi auto mode you're effectively firing two bullets every time you pulled the trigger, was very good.

>>723212524
>Germans fiddle with it, make it better and adopt it over their own gun

I can't be the only one on /v/ who remembers these

>>723209749
counterpoint:
>military has retarded haphazard designations like X1 being a pistol, and X2 being a helicopter, and X3 being a grenade or some shit like that

>>723212396
Crye MR-C is the only good gun design for a rifle aside Steyr AUG XS Commando.

>>723212524
it just werks
same with aks
and beretta pistols
and benelli shotguns

>>723212745
>M1A1 is both an MBT and a rifle

>>723204892
>>723210558
>>723212396
here you go

>>723212665
Shouldn't be one at all. Steyr has the right idea: Soft trigger for single shots. Pull harder for full auto.
Or just control your fucking funger.

>>723212906
No, that's genuinely retarded.

>>723212848
I hope some games adopt the potato cannon. That one was the most interesting one.

>>723212848
Sig straight up just copied the guns from Arma 3.

please tell me bf6 is good...i played the absolute fuck out of bf3 and 4 ages ago, tried battlefield 1 and it just didn't do it for me. i didn't hear anything good about the other battlefield games either

30mm grenade launcher

>>723212848
why is there a soda can on the middle ones?

>>723212963
bf6 is a bf3 remaster
short and boring campaign, multiplayer with zero new features
bf4 and 1 are still kings

>>723212934
Enabling people to act without impediment is the opposite of retardation.

You are a rewarding force in your post. Choice between single and full auto via speed of trigger pulled on and off, or amount pulled, or speed of pull: is what's shot at spent enough to stop them. A selector so it's always too much or little is about as helpful as you.

>>723193761
There is plenty with the G2 (Ghost Recon always uses it and CS has used its appearance since GO for example) but fuck those because the G2 is ugly.

>>723208336
From a video game standpoint the only thing about it you'd want is the normal 30 round mags.

>>723212906
Neither of those are bursts retard.

>>723212515
How? I know that’s when Ukraine went hot but how did it kill /k/?

>>723213197
Wrong, nogunz ass take.

>>723213115
its a silencer

>>723213076
XM-25 round two? Will this one also be pulled for breaking the Hauge?

>we need a final unlock sniper rifle
alternatively the barrett

>>723213197
Ha. Autocorrect, but right. Problems fought produce solutions.

Expecting solutions is stupid though. Making problems isn't the solution to a lack of solutions.

>>723213281
The XM25 wasn't pulled for violating the Hague convention.

it was just really stupid. It's more like the M320 with a magazine.

>>723213234
the mods are nafo faggots

>>723212317
/v/ will say inane, entirely untrue things about guns with full confidence and get mad when its pointed out that theyre wrong. This upsets /k/ because its seen as appropriating board culture.

>>723213269
Cowards killing animals and hitting targets aren't armed with anything but pride.

exposed barrel lewd

>>723207658
>AI derangement syndrome

>>723213281
HK inst involved so probably not.

>>723207658
Maybe if you looked at it for more than a second youd see it was obviously not a handgun you tard.

>>723186671
this >>723209379
it was attempting a technical solution for a training problem

>>723213234
flood of low information posters fighting the good fight against negative information government shills

>>723213324
lmao get fucked

>>723213402
>coward
You're afraid of loud noises and that's ok, but it does mean you're retarded.

>>723186671
>Single shot
>Burst
>Auto
Lotta trannies in the thread. Where my magazine discharge chads at?

I miss that fake sheen on guns from those old school source game gun mod models.

>>723193070
Video games use that because its a recognizable icon and attracts people who know nothing about guns retard. Newer guns are not used because there's barely any reference material and devs are going to dig through some retarded gun forum for images to model off of

>>723213482
I don't give a shit who wins. nafofags are redditors.

>>723213603
lmao get fucked

>>723213213
>>723212620
Take your fucking animu back to /a/. It isn't welcome here. It is enemy lowering the bar. Like soccer. Sabotage so you are compedative. Your way: Capoeira. Trying to get away with undermining instead of being the example.
All presentation by animu is stolen.
It is how asians claim themselves as responsible for it.

>>723213690
lmao get fucked

>>723213690
Anyone whining about “nafo” in 20 god damn 25 is a weirdo, i have not seen that phrase used in earnest in years, and no, you zipping off to reddit to find an example would not make you seem less obsessed. There are plenty of normal gun threads on /k/, going in ukriane war threads and getting mad at poster who disagree with you is autistic, anon.

bf1 was amazing for all the cool weapons with unique reload animations
support class was fun to explore

>>723213324
browniod detected

>>723213281
This one might go a fair bit further because 30mm has an actual payload. The classic US 40mm actually has a really shit explosive filler by 2025 standards (it's a 50s round and the fuse is gigantic) so a chunky grenade rifle shooting HEDP may actually be viable this time around.

>>723212317
/k/ board culture is impossible for thirdies and FSB disinfo agents to subvert because none of them can have guns and they falter immediately once challenged.

So instead they seethe impotently about /k/ on every other board where they're still tolerated.

>>723213680
Play Hunt: Showdown

>>723213680
i looked for a mod for slower reloads when i played it last and was disappointed.

thats actually a pretty common thing too. like Battlefield going to WW1 but everyone has automatic rifles with optics and shit.

>>723193664
Based section 9 enjoyer

>>723185790
Hi I'm Ted!

>>723186671
I love burst weapons as well but it really doesn't make sense when you can control how long you pull the trigger for.

>>723213586
Looked like a nice texture pack until I saw they swapped the m4 to flat top.

>>723214238
Fuck off, Russians can own firearms, at one point in the empire every estate could own them, before the laws were tightened as usual.
Weapons can be acquired anywhere if one knows how, can make them, or is determined enough.
The answer is far simpler, /v/ still can have fun, while nu-/k/ sucks and is full of deranged, glowniggers and actually malicious people.

Avtomat Fedorova is pure sex

>>723216217
lmao get fucked

>>723213115
So that you could warm up your beverages, of-course!

>>723216217
>empire
lol irrelevant because it was overthrown by red isis
>red isis times
lol no lmoa you can't own guns in this uncertain times (see pic rel)
>current times
smoothbore tube fed are allowed
smoothbore magazine fed are allowed only after purchasing tube fed and owning it for some time
rifled ones only after 5 years of owning the smoothbore
>Weapons can be acquired anywhere if one knows how, can make them, or is determined enough
-15 for this glownigger FSB agent

>we're finally getting retro ARs in the Russian CBT simulator
Rejoice, anons. Finally I will be able to dunk on metaslave twitchfags with an A2 + M203 while wearing woodland drip
>>723201020
Anon CoD has been full of weird gun idosyncracies from the start, it's just that it's gotten worse over time, I don't know what you expected. Basically any gun in a nu-CoD game is guaranteed to have some dumb bullshit going on with it, whether it's a 'knockoff' model (pretty much always happens with the licensed guns) that would make the guns non-functional, perfect example being the F2000 in Vanguard, stupid conversion mods, statistic changes that make it heavily inaccurate operation-wise from the IRL thing for the sake of gameplay '''balance''', etcetera
Sucks, because most normalfags get their gun knowledge from shit like CoD. now you have to listen to them call shit by retarded names like '''Kastov''' and '''Tsarkov'''
>>723213115
they're meant to be suppressors that don't affect the profile and balancing of the gun too much. the Sig suppressor is a bit shorter than traditional rifle cans too, but nothing like the circumcised penis on the RM277
>>723212317
autistic gun knowledge clashes with what the majority of people find fun in FPS games. pretty much the only exception are milsim gamers, which is where the two tend to overlap
>>723213586
something about the old school baked detail in gun models tends to look better to me than the majority of modern games. I think it's because textures end up pretty flat looking without proper PBR, and the contractors today don't care enough for that extra time put into detail

>>723209076
Wdym? You can full auto that thing in insurgency.

>>723209649
>>anon, people run out of bullets all the time.
>No they don't.
Real life is not mgs3, nigger. Your gun will eventually ran out of ammo and most people can't reload in 1.3 sec like CoD.

>>723212317
Not really, /K/ hate /v/ for being no-guns shitskin but /v/ doesn't really have any animosity toward /k/. Only /v/ jannies do as they keep deleting gun thread for no reason, despite everything in the thread talked about how they perform and appear in-game instead of their real life performance.

>>723217196
>733
I get to larp as Val Kilmer now.

>>723212293
>>also it needs to be the exact same as our current ones!
>ok
>Implying m4 have folding stock, short piston system and quick barrel switch.

>>723218950
a lot of games keep it semi

>>723184951 (OP)
I love those types of guns. I think Destiny has a genre of guns that do that but you have to charge it up and it's super cool.

>>723212524
I remember when boomers whine about how unreliable and impotent ar-15's were and now they are the gold standard of modern rifle.

>>723219216
I'll forgive them for the gay ass gimp masks as long as we get the Val Kilmer mask as a rare scav spawn like those Russian cartoon ones

>>723219365
Inevitability with any gun thats new in a war. The M1 carbine according to many korean war vets “couldnt penetrate chinese coats”. It hits at 300m like a .44 magnum hits point blank, but how else do you explain constantly missing because youre a bad shot to your foxhole buddy?

>>723220020
Brings to mind that one research paper that stated most rounds shot are misses. Don't remember it, but it was weird.

>>723217196
>Sucks, because most normalfags get their gun knowledge from shit like CoD. now you have to listen to them call shit by retarded names like '''Kastov''' and '''Tsarkov'''
Blame am general for that one. They sued Activision for using humvee in their games and every CoD game post mw2 no longer has major setpieces featuring humvees like mw2 opening. In the reboot they don't even have humvees or real guns anymore as Activision decided to play it safe despite the fact that they won the lawsuit and have a billion dollar to spare for such scenario. Meanwhile at the same time, GTA V fake cars and guns started started to accurately resemble their real life counterparts.

>>723219889
Kulik was pretty famously a hopeless commander of infantrymen and a lot of the infantry success in Stalingrad and such was off of the back of the PPSh and PPD being fantastic guns for those conditions (as opposed to Germany where Hitler had the mindset of 'NEIN EVERY INFANTRYMENSCH SHOULD BE A SHARPSHOOTER' to the point where he tried shutting down the production of the Sturmgewehr multiple times when it was literally THE future of infatnry weaponry)
overwhelming firepower is a great tactic when you have resources to burn

>>723193070
its a shame really
every nation used to develop its own guns and most of them were very recognizable and unique
p90, aug, g36 etc
you now throw 20 different amry issued rifles into a pile and most people would think they belong to the same squad let alone countries from another continent

>>723220427
>but it was weird
Nothing weird about it, most soldiers just shoot at the direction of their enemy the moment they or someone else in their unit spot them.

>>723221106
I mean, he probably said it pre-WW2, even pre-Winter War, since after Winter War Stalin was famously impressed with the Finnish Suomi SMG and even demanded a drum-fed SMG for Red Army.

We must return.

>>723186671
They tend to either have oversampling issues (M16A4 in BF4) or obnoxious burst delays (FAMAS in MW2019). That being said even some annoying ones are good. AN94 usually is a lot of fun though it's usually better with the hyperburst followed by automatic fire. M8A1 from BO2 and the M1912/P16 Maschinenpistole Experimental from BF1 are personal favs of mine. Two-round bursts tend to work better. I do think the MW2019 FAMAS is good despite its burst delay.

>>723209649
>no frontline experience guy talking shit
try 3 years in the east with your boys getting btfo by fpvs and see if you still wanna be an armchair soldier
I will never recover from what I've seen
britbong btw which makes it even worse

>>723186671
It's a terrible attempt at preventing panic autofire, providing a soldier with a controlled burst so the bullets go more or less in the same place (not really), and. The M16 burst works on a ratchet system so you have to HOLD down the trigger for all three shots before it resets. It also doesn't reset if you take your finger off the trigger after only one or two shots, so your next "burst" will be whatever you had left before the reset. Absolutely retarded shit. Stoner was right.
>>723208336
It uses standard NATO magazines and is also configured to stabilise NATO 5,56mm bullets properly. The French had a bit of a rebellious streak going on at a few points since NATO's inception.
>>723213115
They're known as "tactical" silencers/suppressors. They're not meant to be sneaky beaky but to just reduce the overall sound profile (in this case, the bang) of shots which helps conceal to the position of the shooters to the enemy, giving you a longer window of surprise if you're not easily visible.
>>723221106
'NEIN EVERY INFANTRYMENSCH SHOULD BE A SHARPSHOOTER'
Although this comes off as retarded fudd boomer shite, if you remove the benefit of hindsight, this philosophy wasn't totally unfounded as we see some of the meme returning even now with the XM7. Not to mention at the time the StG was being introduced, Germany was on the defensive and one of the chief ways to ravage an assault before they can reach you is to extend the fatal range that enemy troops have to cross (or pick off defenders from beyond their easy reach when you're on the attack). Not to mention the extra logistical fuckery a new weapon and cartridge would introduce when Germany had chronic ammunition issues throughout the entire conflict. Hitler was something of a tard on occasion, but he was reasonably wise to military and strategic matter so I'll forgive him on this front.
>>723221249
>he doesn't know

>>723222184
>I forgot to add the > when adding in the quote retroactively
What a tard I am. Anyways, here's Stoner being unimpressed with the A2.

>>723221249
There's a hentai side scroller game where you can use that gun inside a space station along with other guns that have no business being in space, but I forgot the name of it.

>>723222552
That cyborg guro one right

>>723221905
>I will never recover from what I've seen
You went in UA?

>>723221201
The finnish drums came first? weird

>>723223708
The first ever SMG used a drum.

>>723221116
Don't the big three still make new guns?

>>723215181
Such a disappointment, you just know some board room discussion shot the idea down even though everyone ends up using 1shot bolt snipers anyway

>>723222184
>if you remove the benefit of hindsight, this philosophy wasn't totally unfounded as we see some of the meme returning even now with the XM7.
Which is well known for being such a wonderful, well thought-out idea of course. Totally not just Sig Saar getting contracts via corruption.

>>723223945
>le Pentagon Wars
Bradley is good though.

>>723223945
>SIG:Here's your rifle that fires the chink and ruski armor piercing cartridge you wanted
>Army: Well its not a gayass bullpup and plastic ammo. You win!

>>723224458
>doesn't even defeat the body armour it was designed to defeat
>ignoring the fact that basically no non-Western military actually issues modern plates in any large capacity

>>723200227
I actually like how ugly it is
it's like a pug, ugly in an endearing way

>>723223132
Yeah that one.

>>723224940
you philistine

>>723223945
I think it can work filling the same role scar-17 did. But no way it can replace m4 as standard grunt weapon. Cost aside, Ukraine war shows how the future of warfare will be close quarter trench and foxhole raid with guns firing in full auto. How did they accept that thing during the peak of Ukraine war is beyond me. Did none of the generals ever shown those vid of Ukrainian and Russian soldier using full auto inside trenches and buildings?

>>723224636
>doesn't even defeat the body armour it was designed to defeat
Please tell me this is a joke.

>>723225502
No anon, it's not. Not at the moment, anyway. We have no knowledge of a tungsten penetrator round for 6.8x51 right now. Regular hybrid 6.8 rounds don't do shit to level 4 plates. The tungsten penetrator round for .308; M993, is still defeated by a lot of level 4 plates.

>>723186671
It's only good in games where you can boost the burst rate and turn it into a AN94 on cocaine.

>>723213786
>Noooo stop mentioning us!!!

>>723216217
The problem is that nu/k/ is basically Reddit now, you instantly get banned for wrong think, so it has become a NAFO echo chamber.

>>723224636
>ignoring the fact that basically no non-Western military actually issues modern plates in any large capacity
What the fuck are you smoking, even drug cartels wear body armor. Even lots of civilians own plates. It doesn't change anything to the fact that the XM7 is a scam anyway.

>>723225461
Armies always prepare themselves for the previous war. The XM7 could have made sense in Afghanistan, but not so much in eastern european muddy plains. The footage from the Ukrainian trenches show that intermediate calibers still perform well enough against armored opponents in close quarters, so it's still preferable to have more ammo than more range.

>>723208506
120mm mortar shells have been used as hand grenades in Ukraine. Still waiting for those to become standard issue.

>>723184951 (OP)
Why is it that burst pistols feel so much better in most games than burst rifles?
Is it because you get some of the firepower you get from auto pistols but with semi-auto tier recoil and accuracy?
>>723203007
I fucking love this gun in like 90% of the games it's relevant in, which isn't much but man.

>>723213234
You see, mods banning russia/china/iran strong threads is bad according to /pol/, just think about the off topic pol threads posted here, but on /k/ they often get banned, so that's bad according to poltards.
They also spam blacked and gay porn.

>>723184951 (OP)
Is there any video game that does machine guns justice? Its always underpowered unfun shit. I know its for game balance but after firring various machine guns IRL i find every machine guns in video game very underwhelming. I couldnt care less about shotguns being peashooter past 10 meters or pistols being hand cannon for some reason but machine suck ass generally in video games. They are just cumbersome rifles at that point.

>>723225978
Stalker GAMMA, most of the machine guns are balanced by the fact that they're heavy as fuck, the ammo is heavy as fuck and hard to get enough ammo to stockpile for a machine gun as most of them are shooting heavy rifle rounds like 7.62×54mmR
But if you can get past that, they're shooting 7.62×54mmR. At full auto. At 600+ RPM.
You're shredding anything you point it at.

>>723213234
All the threads turned into "HURRRR DURRR UR A ZOGBOT" and "HURRR DURRR UR A UKRAINEPIG" shittery. It was filled with constant /pol/ faggotry and people sucking off one of the two. Even threads that had nothing to do with the war had ukrainian war fags infesting it to argue about which of the two was getting meat-grinded more.

>>723225976
I never ever got banned before 2022, and suddenly posting the slightest criticism against NATO gets me a 3 days ban. Stop drinking your cool aid and realize that you're posting in an echo chamber. Most threads are also complete shit like
>/ARG/ #3847272
>Gucci shit
>Can mechas work IRL?
>Guns featured in /mlp/
>Ukraine war gore footage nb #28436
I'm glad that I've finally left this faggot hive

>>723225978
Red Orchestra. If your team doesn't suck and keeps feeding you ammo you can mow through hordes of enemies effortlessly. And if you're daring enough you can still charge with your MG at close quarters. It also simulates barrels overheating. I hope that there are still a few active servers.

>>723226375
Even sadder considering not even 90% of those faggots aren't even from Ukraine or Russia.

>>723226529
For me? It's threads where muggers get shot without excessive gore.

>>723226645
Wow, racist much??

>>723226529
>I never ever got banned before 2022,
The board wasn't spammed 24/7 by actual hired indian shills in the past, at least not as much, your unwilligness to admit this just shows that you are dishonest.

>>723225978
Helldivers always had fun mgs, only issue is depending on difficulty and enemy you might end up sacrificing something else you need
Payday 2 after bipod update
Insurgency M249, M240, M60, PKM
EA Battlefront 2
Ravenfield with the ww2 mod
Red Orchestra 2, especially MG34 my beloved
SAW from Halo 4 that basically never appeared
Minigun and smart gun from AVP 1, 2, and Aliens Fireteam
H3VR unless you're running a quadstack M16A3 or such which is probably way easier to operate
FTL burst lasers kick ass
Crysis franchise I forget when they show up
Space Marine 1 multiplayer, easy to slaughter noobs with heavy bolter

Honorable RIP in piss to Rhino from Dirty Bomb and Heavyarms from Gundam Evo

>>723226697
>Crysis franchise I forget when they show up
Crysis 1 has an absolutely abysmal minigun.

>Rhino from Dirty Bomb
That guy was so fun.

>>723212665
you could at least post G11

>>723226684
Just because you didn't realize it doesn't mean that it didn't exist. It started gradually, but the fact that there were actual bait threads about NFA items out explosives and other recruitment generals shows that the board was in the glowies crosshair for quite some time.

>>723226697
>>723225978
The Day of Infamy Mg34 was a monster, too bad that game is dead.

I like burst fire, its cool

>>723226738
>Crysis 1 has an absolutely abysmal minigun.
I was thinking about the M2 detachable guns and the Typhoon from 3 if you want to count it, though it's more powerful shaped

>>723226830
It's a board filled with gun owning americans, veterans, current mil and people interested in military matters, what do you expect, you are faggot polbrained nigger if you think it's weird to talk about miltary service.

>>723226970
Typhoon is cool yeah.

>>723225978
Insurgency and insurgency sandstorm kinda does it justice. If you camp at the correct spot, you are basically untouchable, except against demolition and snipers. Once in a while I got 27:0 k/d and sometimes managed to halt an entire team's rush for the rest of the round. At the downside it has classic videogame recoil where one shot from 7.62 from a 15 pound gun is enough to bend your spine backward.

>>723222184
Is that a FAMAS?

>>723221106
Did he forget that Germans were throwing away their shitty mp40s and rifles in favour of ppsh-41 that were also officially added to the army after mod that let them to use German 9mm mags

>>723190984
I'm nuclear pissed this thing was in 2042 apparently and is not in BF6 at launch

>>723226896
Yeah, I miss it too. I liked the soulful old European atmosphere the game has. The control and gunplay felt more responsive and impactful than red orchestra.

>>723212587
Unacceptable for AAA with shipload of budget to cheap out on using nicknames instead of real licensed names. It fucking sucks as an indie having to mix both fake and real names.

>>723227293
>Did he forget that Germans were throwing away their shitty mp40s and rifles in favour of ppsh-41
First of all, no. Soldiers weren't throwing away their issued weapons. Secondly, MP-40s were relatively rare, unlike in CoD where every other German has one. Germans captured something like a million PPShs during their first offensive, which is about the total amount of MP-40s produced during the war. Thirdly, there's a bit "grass is greener" thing with soldiers, Red Army soldiers also used MP-40s.

Lastly, he probably said that before WW2. During WW2, Soviet army used SMGs in very large quantities.

>>723227293
>Did he forget that Germans were throwing away their shitty mp40s and rifles in favour of ppsh-41
The Soviet also did the same thing with mp40 that were better built than their ppsh 41. It just the grass is greener on the other side situation.

>>723227471
>>723227485
Green grass-mind

>>723219889
I googled a bit and Kulik apparently was kind of a dumbass, but also in 1941 he wanted to increase PPSh production from 1000 units per day to 2000 units per day and then just to keep ramping up production, which was obviously unrealistic. So no, he didn't "ban" SMGs, as if such a decision would be made by a general or even a marshal.

>>723227413
Jew CEO, Activision won the copyright lawsuit about using real humvee in their game and against Hk. but somehow the Jew got so traumatized of losing a few shekel for legal battle he make sure everything in the game from then point on didn't contain real military product.

>>723186671
nothing wrong with this one in bf4

>>723227021
>muh pol
Not an argument. I'm former law enforcement and own guns, while you probably don't. The fact that veterans are talking about their past experience is not the problem of course, but you misinterpreted my post on purpose.

>>723227413
From a business perspective, it doesn't make much sense to pay $$$ to HK or FN just to put the real name of their guns in your game. The target audience (normalfags) doesn't really care most of the time. Not to forget muh lawsuits. That sucks but that's how it is.

>>723191808
Controllerfags

>>723213234
>vietnam thread gets posted
>anon starts posting pictures from his grandfather's time in vietnam
>general discussion of the Vietnam war
>after a bit of discussion a passing ukraine war keyboard warrior notices something
>OP pic is from the movie Platoon
>the director interviewed Putin a decade ago
>start sperging out in the thread
>thread dies
This was the first time I visited /k/ in a couple years and it was very disappointing to see it hadn't recovered. Nothing on this site ever recovers, it just gets kicked to fucking death.

>>723227021
>you are faggot polbrained nigger
Good morning! I am being the red blood american sir!

>>723227848
What sort of bizarre logic is this?
If porn makers were sued due to dishonor, I'd get it, but suing games for displaying military merchandise? Suing advertisement? Don't those fools realize people love guns in games?

>>723227471
>>723227485
>No way! You have your own.
>I want yours too.
schum

>>723226830
>for quite some time.
Bold of you to assume such an easy honeypot platform wasn't on their table before it was even conceived. There just wasn't enough use to it earlier.
Imageboards appear to be excellent for certain sorts of social engineering, especially concerning people that may take action IRL.

>>723228942
There's those university studies that came to the conclusion that it'd be easier to destroy the site with a flood of shitposts than maintain a shilling campaign. Judging from the article they wrote it sounds like they were just disturbed that they were accurately being called out as shills. One I'm thinking of is called "mining the chans" and it's an incredibly blatant admission of how openly malevolent they are.

>>723228942
Indeed. Just rub anons the right way and it's easy to push them in the direction you want. But /k/ is still a particular case among 4chan because the change of moderation policy was very obvious about one week after the start of the Ukraine war, which means the moderating team itself is complicit. There have been similar claims about /pol/ mods too, but at least your posts don't get easily deleted there, unless you post porn baits and actual spam of course, same for /v/ and /tv/. Idk about the other boards.

>>723229252
Considering how artificial some memes feel, it's somewhat succesful in pushing away some. The site won't be destroyed, but damn if it isn't insufferable.
Worsestill, this isn't limited to western imageboards either.

>>723228612
Porn didn't have billion dollar revenue. It just AM general (((shareholders))) being Jews and try to Jew another Jew. Bell, the maker of Huey helicopter also sued battlefield for using their product in their game and they somehow won. That's why battlefield portal didnt have Huey or cobra attack helicopter despite featuring us marines.

>>723229532
The whole internet is like that now. That's 5th gen warfare for you. Our brains have become the battlefield.

>>723229591
That's crazy because movies don't have this problem. HK gave the P30L to John Wick's production team and it was a move that probably boosted their sales. I don't know why videogames are excluded from that kind of deal. EFT doesn't care and didn't get sued as far as I know.

>>723229784
Movies with guns don't turn retards into school shooters, only vidya does.

>>723229784
>John Wick
It's impressive that it has lasted for 4 movies. A bit too down to earth, but they've made it work.

>>723213657
Damn, now this is ESLschizobabble.

>>723226529
>And if you're daring enough you can still charge with your MG at close quarters.
The MG32 has a spread of about the size of the human body at a range of up to 20 yards when hip firing in that game. So yeah actually you can do it just fine. At least in RO2.

>>723230079
Are there actually retards out there that believe this?

>>723230276
It's proper normie-core that tickles all the fancies one may have

>>723229784
>That's crazy because movies don't have this problem.
Yeah, that's the exact argument Activision used against AM general and they win that, setting precedent for future court cases. But for some reason they refuse to use modern guns or am general product anymore. Yet at the same time, rockstar is getting more brazen with their vehicle and weapon likeness. There is Toyota supra and nissan gtr r32 in the game now with less difference compared to the real things unlike in previous GTA.

>>723230495
Is this good civilization?

>>723230617
Boomers believe that, and they still make a large percentage of countries representative.
>Inb4 only american conservaticuck reps believe that
No, every boomer politicians believe that. No Russian is banned in Australia and Germany. Leftist Californian also banned game companies from promoting real life guns to children. Did you know why MW2 feature the bushmaster ACR prominently and made it one of the meta weapon? Remington paid activision to do it since they hold the license for civilian model of ACR.

What really gets me is when they add in concept guns that never saw any production and pretend like they were real normal guns that were used by everybody

>>723206795
Why wouldn't this work?

>>723186671
It was pretty much just a compromise.
The USMC (the M16A2 was a USMC project) wanted to get rid of select fire altogether, because the M249 would take over the role of the squad automatic weapon and it would be a huge ammo sink.
The Army wanted to keep full auto, so they went with the 3-round burst as a compromise.

>>723231310
It would, but you might as well use a P90.
And now that I think about it, a P90 mutated to a battle rifle size, with longer gun frame and longer barrel would look hot as fuck.

>>723231741
P90 is SMG, right? And that one is an AR platform, sounds like a big difference to me.

>>723212848
General Dynamics really didn't give a shit about the automatic rifle huh.

>>723224007
Burton is a fucking retard, if he had it his way the US would probably be using some insane upgraded variant of the M60 Patton.

>>723231807
If you chamber an AR for a pistol caliber, you will get an SMG.

>>723231807
Indeed it is.

>>723231871
General Dynamics made that too, it's called the M60-2000 and it's Burton's wet dream that manifested.

>>723225978
Battlefield V has one of the best implementations I've ever seen. They deal massive suppression damage and are the only class of weapons in the game that can 3D spot enemies with their suppression, the way they're designed organically nudges players into employing them like actual MG's.

>>723231736
>The USMC (the M16A2 was a USMC project) wanted to get rid of select fire altogether, because the M249 would take over the role of the squad automatic weapon and it would be a huge ammo sink.
And now every marine is an automatic rifleman thanks to the adoption of the M27. The irony is palpable. I wonder how often the Marines actually get to shoot full-auto.

>>723221249
The (useless) american model looks sexy

>>723233106
That's something you'd pull out for emergencies in a 1920's HP Lovecraft fps

>>723184951 (OP)
I've always wondered about that from playing Division 2: Isn't that thing an AR, i.e. fully automatic?

>>723233342
That would be so kino. Imagine having to fight an old God with a Chauchat and a Luger as a sidearm. Maybe some dev anon could make it real.

The P90 and Five seveN both lost a lot of cool factor with me when someone described the 5.7mm round as '.22 magnum'

>>723201020
Probably AI coding at this point

>>723228292
that doesnt make any sense

>>723233106
use case for the ballsack?

>>723201020
>>723208410
i think you people overestimate how much the average dev gives a shit
they just go "this one looks prettier... but it would be stupid if it only had 20 bullets balance wise..."

>>723234114
You gotta fondle it so you can pee straight.

oh so you think you know everything about firearms? name ten things wrong with this one

>>723233601
Nah it's much more like a mini 5.56, it's not a rimmed cartridge like .22 mag and it's center-fire. You got fooled. Never criticize the P90 and the five seven ever again.

>>723234189
Okay, Julien.

>>723234114
A foregrip before tacticool existed

>>723234114
>Ye olde Tac-Sac™
The French were truly ahead of their time.

>>723219889
It was Tukhachevsky who said that, actually. The same guy who thought mortars are useless, that Soviet industry is unable to produce its own tanks and must buy them from Britain, and who tried to replace every piece of artillery in Soviet military from aircraft autocannons to ship weaponry with recoilless guns. You know, typical unappreciated genius whose life was tragically cut short by Stalin's purges.

i'm sure caseless ammo was solved decades ago but big casing is holding them back with lobbying

>>723234829
Thanfully the soviet army had other genious such as Budyonny
>Budyonny was a staunch proponent of horse cavalry. During the Great Purge, he testified against Mikhail Tukhachevsky's efforts to create an independent tank corps, claiming that it was so inferior to cavalry and illogical that it amounted to "wrecking" (sabotage). After being told of the importance of the tank in the coming war in 1939, he remarked, "You won't convince me. As soon as war is declared, everyone will shout, 'Send for the Cavalry!'"

>>723235064
Russians still use horse cavalry, so he wasn't wrong.

>>723235064
>send tank
>AT gun fires
>hits battery
>tank burns
>send cav
>AT gun fires
>horses jump over the projectile
>overrun the guns
Based.

>>723235035
Isn't that the AK 2012 from metro 2033?

>>723233601
>that family defense "glorified .22 magnum" gun pic
lmao

>>723234304
It's a legitemately great round, very effective, highly damaging.

>>723190984
I still cannot believe Starfield was the first Bethesda game to have this thing in vanilla

>>723186671
You don't use automatic fire in real life anyway unless you're laying down suppressing fire. If you're actually trying to hit a target you're shooting semi. Burst is a good middle ground for slinging more rounds down range but still maintaining accuracy.

>>723236738
No, it's not.

>>723186671
the way the burst is utilized in-game is ass-backwards retarded. the point of the burst fire selector is to fire without recoil, instead the devs program an assload of recoil into it making it completely unusable and worse than any DMR.

>>723236626
Of all guns in the world to survive Earth's destruction, it's the unobtainum one that barely exist.

I like burst weapons because I somehow hit more shots with them than with tap firing or bursting with normal guns.

>>723186671
RSI

>>723210743
All weird looking Russian guns from 1990s are overcomplicated and inferior to more refined simple designs.
Veresk is better than PP-2000, Vityaz is better than Bizon.

>>723186671
you only have that fire mode in most games that have burst weapons instead of toogle fire rate mode

>>723238358
Hey it's the best Fortnite rifle.

>>723223838
The latest one was some 6.5mm SCAR looking piece of khaki shit. There was also a QBZ-MKII rifle China was using at one point that would its shots out sideways like a beyblade.

>>723186671
One time in fortnite I beat a guy with the golden scar with a blue burst so I really don't know

>>723238358
I'm sick of seeing this gun man. Get some new material already.

>>723234817
>standard issue for the Ballchinian defense force

>>723225917
>Using a weapon issued in the situation that it was issued for
>Improvising grenades
How is this at all the same, dumbass?

>>723234817
The only thing missing is a punisher skull.

>>723205154
Come home, Frankish man.

>>723219889
>"bullethose is only good for police work Ivan!"
>insists on keeping the potato brained conscripts using moist nuggets to save on ammo costs
This is the sort of moronic cunt that would petition the continued use of the Berdan IIs after getting his collective shit kicked in by the Ottomans. Using a mix of Martinis and Winchesters to stagger their firerates. You'd think the last few years of rolling purges would remove fuckwits like this considering how retarded the Imperialists were prior to their fall.

>>723200847
IIRC the idea is that recoil of 1st and 2nd shot of the burst is delayed so on 3rd there's there times the recoil hitting all at once.

>>723186671
If I want to fire in bursts I can do that with automatic fire.

>>723225150
oh yeah, seen it mentioned by the guy who made (beyond) citadel

>>723234829
>>723235064
>>723235350
Literal mud hut nigs.

>>723201557
>Upotte
Can't believe the porn parody made a better use of jokes and irl references than eggplant's own work.

>>723239260
>There was also a QBZ-MKII rifle China was using at one point that would its shots out sideways like a beyblade.
You thinking about that one training footage? It could be related to training ammo issue or simply wrong ammo for the twist rate. Those guns were imported to Canada and they were shooting fine.

>>723240826
Sure, if you are experienced shooter that can keep his cool and maintain trigger control under pressure of ongoing firefight.
But way too often people will panic and just squeeze the trigger until weapon goes dry wasting whole magazine in one go.

>>723241080
So, what's the sauce?

>>723212317
Because they're obsessed with slavs murdering each other to the point that they will obsessively derail every thread into that.
>>723241176 is a very good example of this.

>>723184951 (OP)
Me burstfu in The Division 2.

>>723241924
Cyan Brain

>>723184951 (OP)
/k/ommandos, how much of a mistake was the 2~4 round burst fanaticism of the cold war.

>>723242048
Since you snowniggers are so obsessed using the archives trying to "dox" Anons, why don't you take a look at what you've done to every single STALKER thread in the past ~4 years

>>723242516
>muh boogeyman
I don't go in STALKER threads and haven't played it in years.
Faggot

Is there any game except insurgency where m60 feels good to use? I tried pic related but it feels weaker than it should be.

>>723216217
>can own firearms
Not really. And you def can't use them. And you guys let them get tightened you could've had handgun ownership in 90s.

>>723242762
>haven't played
We know, Ivan.

>>723242174
Thanks anon

>>723242202
It was the wrong solution to improve the hit rate of the average soldier. The right one was the current path, using optics to improve the practical range and the speed of target acquisition. If ACOGs and LPVOs existed back in the 70's no one would have cared about burst fire.

>>723243551
>dark matter plasma bolts

ok..

>>723221106
>NEIN EVERY INFANTRYMENSCH SHOULD BE A SHARPSHOOTER
Oh that's why every WW2 game is so shit to play, thanks Hitler.

>>723213295
>almost no games let you use an anti-tank/materiel rifle for its intended purpose

G3 > FN Fal

>>723223945
it's really funny how this meme based on a stupid movie that got everything wrong about the bradley, also gets everything wrong

>>723245540
I agree

>>723223945
why did they shit on the scar but made a worse version of the scar 2 decades later?

>>723221106
>a lot of the infantry success in Stalingrad and such was off of the back of the PPSh and PPD being fantastic guns
and here I thought it was the stretched and inadequate german supply lines

>>723246031
>why did they shit on the scar
Conspiracy against the Walloon race.

>>723238207
and its called a fucking hunting rifle
what the fuck would you hunt with that? anomalies?

>>723210558
>never adopted
>magpul refuses to put it into production for the civilian market
I'm still mad.

>We need scientific weapons, but they need to be more realistic.

I want that damn gun so bad, it's unreal.

>>723200227
looks like a f2000 without the plastic fascia

>>723248085
>gun fires dildos

>>723248085
love how this gun is just
>tube
and accessories

>>723248714
im not familiar but is 20x102mm comparable to the size of an average dildo
maybe OP can provide some insignt on this

>we need an automatic shotgun
>and make sure its cool looking and unique

>>723191921
I believe it is know for a "dual stage" trigger where a light pull is 3 shot but holding it back is full auto.

Pretty much nobody in the military ever uses full auto IRL, even machine gunners normally only fire in bursts. Modern riflemen only uses semi-auto.

>>723249654
>machinegunners are firing in bursts
while using the full auto firing mode of course, they just control the length of the burst

>>723239779
>leaving the bibopd on but removing the stock
chef's kiss

What pistol should I get for home defense? I have a Remington 870 but I want something that isn't so large.

>>723193245
>never adopted because it's an unreliable piece of shit with a complex mechanism

>>723248085
how do you, uh, aim it?

>>723249861
hard to recommend without a budget in mind but for home defense something you can put a light on and are comfortable and practiced with, and probably not anything spicier then 9mm if you care about over penetration

>>723193481
>no matter how many miners you can rescue with it's loading system

>>723244847
For me it's the bullpupped Chauchat

>>723249975
the rifle is just provided like that by the company and obviously nobody’s actually going to use the thing without mounting an optic on its top rail so they just dont bother including irons.

>>723199805
>cooks off a free 3 round burst without even having to touch the trigger
thats the real german space magic

>>723200687
>>723200776
very kino weapon

>>723250430
hey now, the gun cooking off the entire magazine on automatic was only a pronounced problem on the first version. the other ones did fine!

>>723234130
100% this, unless the game is striving for 1:1 accuracy they are choosing form over function every time.

>>723250860
>100% this, unless the game is striving for 1:1 accuracy they are choosing form over function every time.
Up until they hire a resident gun autist like Josh Sawyer who will be having his own flamewars in the comments over how things should be implemented. For the most part studios will sidestep them to avoid the ensuring headache.

>>723201020
COD stopped giving a shit about firearm authenticity around when they started introducing tomahawks and ballistic knives

>>723251323
You know the funny thing about Sawyer? He wasn't really into guns until New Vegas. He literally got into guns (watched a ton of Hickok45 and Paul Harrel, did research, went to a range, bought several guns and learned to shoot, disassemble and maintain them) so he could better portray them in Fallout. He also famously went on a motorbike trip to personally get photos and "feel" for the locations.

That's why New Vegas is like it is, because it was a dream project for director and he was REALLY dedicated and autistic about getting it right.

I dont like to play by the rules

>>723242516
>posting examples of spam is doxxing
Go back to r*ddit

>>723252069
Rules are like the Geneva Convention. They were made to be broken.

>>723252221
usually something like this thoughbeitever

>>723212738
I do

>>723212738
i still have the swf of this game i think

>>723235035
Is there literally any game besides Rainbow Six Vegas where the standard P90's built in optic is actually usable.

>>723253507
iirc Battlefield 2 had its red dot intergrated into it

>>723253507
tarkov

>>723253697
fug

>>723253734
yea it's a shame that game sucks ass now. I used to run the P90 in it like 3 years ago and it was a monster. IDK why but it never seemed to be a meta gun?

>>723186671
Because they always keep firing after you let go of the mouse button instead of only firing the full burst if you keep it held down and there's usually a stupid long delay inbetween each bursts where you can't fire.

>>723249906
>AK-47
Look at that subtle design and coloring. The tasteful thickness of it. Oh my God, it even has real wood...

>>723254449
*throws termite at it* lmao get fucked

>>723225978
Red Orchestra and Rising Storm MGs can single handedly win you a match if used right.

>>723255302
cute

>>723204892
We never got them because they were angry that this german rifle beat all the other competitors.

>>723213115
In case you get thirsty

>>723246148
What is the second MG guy doing with 4 Lugers?

This sorry hunk of shit from Armored Core 6

>>723246148
you can say what you want... the StG44 is a masterpiece. Especially under the conditions it was produced.

And I love the after war nazi guns like the CETME/G3 (from StG45) and M60 (from FG42).

>>723256868
>32 shots. This time I've got 32 shots.

>>723256868
He's quad wielding them.

>>723256868
One for each limb. German philosopher say a Luger a day keeps the jew at bay.

>>723244847
really like that P90

>>723205805
>WU! HA! HA! HA!

>game Heckles Mein Koch

Assault
>G36C
>Mark .23

Sharpshooter/Rifleman
>G3KA4
>Mark .23

CQB
>MP5SD
>USP .45

Scout/Sniper
>PSG-1
>Mark .23

>>723213542
Gimme my HIGH IMPACT alien rifle rounds.

>>723260156
>G36
The Germans replaced it with the HK416. ARs for the win.

>>723260492
Don't care. With the G36 it's all about AESTHETICS to me. It is the sexiest rifle of all time in my eyes.

>>723221410
BR55 in Halo 2 and 3 is the GOAT burstfire videogame rifle.

>>723258557
no underslug grenade launcher?

>>723225978
Yeah
>Turok: Dinosaur Hunter = Minigun
>Turok 2: Seeds of Evil = Firestorm Cannon
>Rainbow Six Vegas 1&2 = HK21E, M249, MG36
>Battlefield: Bad Company 2 = any of the LMGs in Medic class
>Halo 4 = M739 SAW
>Metro 2033 / Last Light = Abzats
>Duke Nukem 3D = Ripper
>Farcry 5 = MG42
>GTA: SA = Minigun
>STAR WARS: Dark Foces 1&2 = Imperial Repeater

warfare evolved

>>723249906
>>723254449
Personally, I like the look of an original Type 1 AK with slab-sided mags better.

>>723188957
Yeah, that's kino.

>>723263051
>GW liked the Tau Railgun so much that they decided to make it a real thing on the tabletop
And people still shit on Firewarrior for being a discount Halo.

>>723263270
All the changes to modernize the AK are product improvements.

>>723263724
>take an AK and swap the wood out for black plastic
>get a cool gun in the process
AK-103 my beloved

>>723262394
I got you friend.

>>723260000
Nice numbers

>>723262603
>Metro 2033 / Last Light = Abzats
For me it's the Gatling Gun that you wind up like a clock.

>>723185329
>>723186576
>>723227469
i love my fellow 4chan autists. u guys are unironically more like family to me than some of my supposed real family are

>>723245671
>Threat Defeated
>+500 PX Credits
>+1 Combat Infantryman Award
>Achievement Unlocked: First Blood
>Achievement Unlocked: Welcome to The Sandbox\
war is heck

>>723264449
>Pimp my Bullpup

>>723265150
At least there are no fingerless glove meters yet.

>>723265150
>Achievement Unlocked: You're in the Army Now
>Achievement Unlocked: It Ain't Me
>Cum Meter : 50%
>Hold F to pay respects to Israel

>>723260492
>ARs for the win.
ARs are outdated. OUTDATED

>>723266940
>This is the AR killer for sure this time
bro this is the 7th AR killer. It will fail like all the others.

>>723267293
But the SCAR didn't fail. It's now the main service rifle in Belgium, its country of origin. It's also the best assault rifle in Fortnite. You can't dismiss those facts.

>>723267452
There's cities with bigger populations than Belgium.

>>723244847
>L85

>>723267452
>the SCAR didn't fail
Yes it did, the L was supposed to replace the M4A1 but got ditched at the last second. Only the H got adapted and that was mainly for special forces units only. We're already seeing it happen again with the spear, the US military is already complaining about it being too heavy and asking sig to make a compact version. By the time they actually do it the contract will either have already been dropped or changed to where it only gets adapted by SOCOM.

>>723184951 (OP)
M4A1 has the best licensing deal out of all of them, that's why.

>>723219051
No, you generally are not going to fire hundreds of rounds nonstop like that anon.

>>723267452
>It's now the main service rifle in Belgium, its country of origin
If FN's target demographic was Belgian sales, they wouldn't exist as a company. Like half the world used the FAL. Nobody of any relevance uses the SCAR. SOCOM dabbled with and largely dropped it.

The people getting the most use out of the SCAR are fuckin Kenyans.

>>723269269
isolated incident but wasnt there a story of a silver star or medal of honor recipient burning through so many mags his rifle malfunctioned/burst into flames so he just picked up the next rifle he found and kept fighting

>>723184951 (OP)
don't they not actually use the burst function?
>>723186671
It's unpopular in vidya because people want to shoot full auto and it's unpopular irl because the mechanism is complicated and makes the trigger gay and the whole thing was an 1980/90s experiment to increase hit rates which has been largely accomplished by mass issuing ACOGs and other optics.
the thought was a burst of 2 or 3 rounds means more lead in the air, it's more likely to hit someone than a single shot but the soldier can't just hold the trigger down and dump all his ammo like full auto

>>723221106
the nazis didn't exactly have resources to burn

>>723270682
>don't they not actually use the burst function?
What do you mean? M16a2 and M4 both used burst function, and in certain circumstances it was used. The more modern M16a4 and M4a1 do not have a burst function.

>>723245540
Isn't that the gun that is either great or mediocre depending how it is balanced around only having 20 rounds in the mag?

>>723270972
the m16a2 and original M4s have burst selectors, but the army and marine doctrine was to just use them in semi auto basically all the time. It's the same thing with the retarded 2 position flip on the a2 irons, no one ever fucking uses that shit. no one dials with a2 irons either unless they are on a KD range. and you don't carry the gun via the carry handle

>>723240214
>would remove fuckwits like this
Nah.
What little data I've read about that one USSR starvation event implicates that many of the party functionaires and higher ups actually didn't care about commoners that much.
If this sort of crypto-traitors to not just any sort of national interests, but to fellow humans, doesn't care about agriculture, why would they care about military expertise?

Here's a fun letter. Had to translate it myself, so if it's unreadable that's on me.
But as an example of the sheer character of people involved - and not just in USSR, or in those times, - it works all too well.

>>723271136
>but the army and marine doctrine was to just use them in semi auto basically all the time
Yes, that's the case with full retard as well. But sometimes it does get used.
>no one ever fucking uses that shit
Well yeah, considering 5.56 ballistics it only makes sense. For really all of 5.56's actual terminally effective range you just hold center mass and you're good.

>>723269420
>The people getting the most use out of the SCAR are fuckin Kenyans.
Cool!

>>723250705
>CompM4
You VILL use ze EOTech and you VILL like it.

Everything I know about guns I leaned from STALKER. Lots of the gun descriptions in this thread are represented in that game.

>>723271391
I fucking hate the Comp M4, it's a total piece of shit. Gladly use an eotech over it, even though that's also a catastrophic piece of shit.

All guns are beautiful.

>>723271608
pick unrelated?

>>723271391
EOTech's still delaminate.

>>723271150
Wonder if you could apply similar logic to the weaponized famines that are currently playing out in real time. If it isn't your race or creed then it was never really your problem. Genocide never hurt anyone important. And if it did their sacrifice could be used elsewhere in the same way that one would employ the use of gangs as an auxiliary peacekeeping force. We hold all life to be sacred but some lives just happen to be more sacred than others.

>>723271840
cheesed to meet you :^)

>>723271809
My eotech is still fine after nearly 10 years of use. My Comp M4s eats batteries every goddamn month. Every time I grab the rifle, battery dead.

>>723271924
You definitely could. I'm unsure it would apply to everyone, but some people are definitely like that.

>>723184951 (OP)
>perfect for the job but gets denied due to DEI and nepotism

>>723271758
I just wanted to post those.
Seriously though, I never saw a bad gun.

>>723185714
I c wut u did there

>>723272075
>>723272075
>My Comp M4s eats batteries every goddamn month
Moist and delicious! OM NOM NOM NOM!
Anon is credit to team!

>>723272075
>implying that 80,000 hour battery life just isn't enough
I don't believe you.

>>723272076
But in regards to a lack of expertise in the matters of military how the fuck are they meant to survive anywhere beyond a century or two? Kneecapping your industrial base is one thing but staffing the defense forces with literal walking incompetents is just asking for someone else to roll through and wipe you out wholesale. If you took similar attitudes towards nation building in the era of Romans or something far worse like the Huns/Mongols you would be dead meat waiting to be picked over.

>>723272153
Guns are art, more than people realize. They say art is depicting culture/society/ideas/emotions, i say it's guns.

>>723212906
thats retarded
99% of the time a soldier will be using semi auto fire
making the trigger shittier and able to accidentally go into full auto under stress unintended is retarded

>>723271350
300 meters is such a gay and retarded zero most people use a 50/200 yard zero, like the close sight on the a1 flip ups and there's a memo about modifying a2 sights so you can get a 50/200 yard zero and the acog basically has a 50/200 yard zero since a 100 meter zero is never more than 2 inches off between 50 and 200 yards

>>723272361
It isn't, because it doesn't reach 80,000 hours. Not even close. The only other optic I have that is as bad is the UH-1, that has known parasitic drain problems.

The fucking comp m4s is dead every time I grab that rifle. First I tried Li batteries, dead in a month. I give up and use normal alkaline batteries. Dead, no different. Total piece of junk. Every other aimpoint I have works properly.

>>723272415
>how the fuck are they meant to survive anywhere beyond a century or two?
Such an interest assumes at bare minimum that most people in power care about such things, and that they aren't engineered inrto power to ensure a nation dies in a century or two by somebody with limited means of manipulation.
That is to say, suvival and advancent of a nation in bad position or in failure modes becomes partially incidental, because the continuously decreasing amount of people with power that actually care is outnumbered and has to wrangle and circumnavigate everyone just to keep the entire system afloat.
Look at modern day EU party members, or some (((Katz))) in Gosduma, do you think they care about anything otheeer than a cushy chair?
Can you imagine the sheer international bitching if someone like Pavel I ended up ruling modern Europe or Britain? The sheer state of things.

>>723258557
this but if you do not give a shit about range

>>723264449
>launch an EMP
>infantry now defenseless

>>723272961
You should commission a grip with a dynamo in it, connect it to your Comp and squeeze it hard whenever you need it.
It'd be great!

>>723244847
a lot of those would just be an AR18

>>723273740
I think I'll just buy another T2 and stop suffering. Or accept that I have like six rifles all with optics and lights and it really doesn't matter if one of them sucks down batteries.

>>723273934
A tactical pogo stick with a dynamo is an excellent idea when you think about it, Anon-kun!
One man jumps, the others provide cover.
Just don't get entangled in power cords.

>>723274106
Of course, that's a much better idea than what I was thinking of just taping a spare battery to the stock or something. You're right

>>723274219
Batteries are for operators and tv remotes. Why do you need to own such strategic resources? You're not a criminal, are you?

>>723274375
of course not officer

>>723274448
What do you use that for ?

>>723274219
Picatinny hand dynamo.

>>723274732
Coat hanging.

>>723274732
I wouldn't worry about it

>>723186798
Those are some nice tiddies by Simpsons standards

>>723274797
>moving unlocked attachments on a rail dynamo back and forth
>tactically gripping a scope as recoil moves it for you
this stuff writes itself

>>723273934
How much did that DD rail run you? I'm planning on getting one of those or a geissele super duty for my upcoming build.

>>723275160
I bought it as a complete rifle for $1400 from Brownells years ago.

If you don't have the rest, I would recommend the brownells block II upper, as it costs less than a DD barrel and rail generally. If you go Geissele wait for black friday they always have a huge sale.

>>723274732
Caltrops