Thread 723394582

Is there any future for the Thief series?

>>723394582 (OP)
Not really no
Stealth games are niche now

>>723394582 (OP)
a taffer VR game is coming out this year and people who played it already have been pretty positive about it

>>723394850
>VR
Proof that it's never ever been more over

>>723394582 (OP)
As an IP? No - the VR game likely won't change anything. And that's good. FMs and TDM is all we need, there's no need for new official games, they wouldn't be as good as the trilogy anyway. I hope it stays this way, no shitty remasters or anything, the fan content will keep coming and that's enough.
is this the beginning of another comfy Thief thread? the last one gave me hope for /v/

>>723396246
I think a good remaster or remake of the first trilogy could be good, if done well. The games are great but visually so bland and I know that's a product of it's time but it would be nice to play it without just bare corridors everywhere.

>>723394582 (OP)
No, thanks to picrel

yea idk feels like giving it a vr game is sending it out to die on purpose.

'ate robuts, simple as

just play black parade man

>>723394582 (OP)
Zoomies don't have the attention span for this genre

>>723398142
>that hud
Is that payday?

>>723394582 (OP)
Building a new commercial game would require actual work from corpo game devs so that they could compete against the best of what the fan community give us for free (Black Parade, Scalet Cascabel, Into the Odd, Alcazar, etc etc).
So, completely impossible.

>>723394582 (OP)
>please contaminate this old IP
Classic OP.

>>723398027
This.
By the Builder, that mod is fuckin' awesome.

>>723397071
Kino game though

>>723396375
A good remaster or remake would require a good studio and a good budget. That's not happening because the chances of the investment returning are slim - real, slow, methodical stealth games are too niche of a genre for the modern zoomer audience. So the only thing we could count on is a cheap, shoddy remaster, like the upcoming Deus Ex one.
>without just bare corridors everywhere.
I get what you mean, but I'm personally fine with it. Little details = no distractions = loot doesn't have to be highlighted in order to be noticeable, like was the case in >>723397071.

playing it for the first time with tfix and eax sound enabled, this game somehow has better atmosphere than any game made now

>>723394582 (OP)
It does, but it's a fan-made future. And it's better that way. Black Parade is, unironically, my favorite game of all times.

What is the best official thief mission and why is it Life of the Party?

>>723398027
WHEN I WAS

Zoomers who start with mods or private servers and try to talk about a game are a fucking joke.

>>723397071
over hated

>>723400252
Overhated by the general gaming populace? yeah.
Overhated by thief fans? No, it deserves more hate.

>>723400647
based and true

>>723396246
Why have there been so many thief threads recently? Not mad about it but it does feel like there is a lot more now

The black parade
>>723397071
It has been over a decade since this happened

>>723399346
Black Parade is great, but the quality bar is very high with Thief fms anyway.

>>723401801
Lots of people (re)discovering Thief and Thief fms thanks to Black Parade.

>>723400252
it was an okay stealth game, but a horrible thief game. there is a reason why most fans don't even want to acknowledge its existence.

>>723394582 (OP)
General IQ of cattle is steadily going down that means no. Enjoy your 20th corridor walker in UE5, tranime porn for perverts and megabonks for try hards.

Thi4f decided to shit the bed. Ironic since Thief is a series that actually could've switched to a female protagonist new era. Gorret adopted a loli pickpocket when he caught her hand in his purse.

>>723394582 (OP)
No. Thief is a melting pot of interesting and varied influences, whereas any sequel or remake is doomed to be influenced by... Thief. What's the point?

>>723394582 (OP)
Dishonored

>>723394582 (OP)
I never could get into Thief. I love late 90s early 2000s 3D graphics but the game was boring as fuck. It felt like a maze walking simulator basically and the AI is not very good. Unironically have more fun with Hitman C47 than this, the only thing is that that game is really frustrating

>>723405779
Dishonored is also a dead franchise

Sure, as long as new fan missions get released and they probably will for a while.

>>723405859
True. It’s got nostalgia bait for boomers but it’s mediocre held up by good stealth mechanics

>>723405859
>>723406187
Unironically kill yourself immediately

>>723406187
>held up by good stealth mechanics
and immersiveness, unparalleled atmosphere, outstanding level design, engaging world and story. it's a slow game, the locations are often large and complex, so the gameplay is boring when compared to other stealth games, but calling it mediocre is an insult - and i say this as an actual zoomer with no nostalgia for this series, i only got into it last year.

I wish it didn’t filter me. I love stealth games but I struggle with this

>>723407228
> and immersiveness, unparalleled atmosphere, outstanding level design, engaging world and story.
Thief atmosphere is something very strange that I cannot explain rationalize or explain. It’s the most 90s gaming experience you can have, in a weird and comfy kind of way.
There were some locations in Black Parade that felt like being back at home.

>>723407825
yeah, it's the 90s at its finest.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ws1hamUjm68
they weren't afraid to create something unique, even if it turns out to be strange and bizarre. the original thief is a mix of various themes and concepts, it's not just the typical 'fantasy meets steampunk', there's much more to it. nowadays no one would put industrial grungy soundtrack into such a game, it would be some generic dark ambience instead - because everything needs to fit into the established genre when it comes to the atmosphere now.

it's a game series that
>focuses on large maps
>has very slow gameplay
>already more or less told its story
best possible outcome is if something like what happened to Deus Ex, something like Human Revolution coming out
somewhat streamlined experience but still carries the soul of the originals to an extent. but that's never going to happen
and if it DOES happen, boomers (the only people who care about this series) will hate it no matter what state it comes out in. so it's a lose lose situation. just play fan maps till the end of time

>>723394582 (OP)
Indie scene only.

>>723397071
This game is great

Yeah, it's called Metal Gear Solid.

Sadly not. A spiritual successor maybe but its clearly too much work for others to do.

>>723394582 (OP)
Not after the tragedy of thief 4

>>723394582 (OP)
Need a THI5F reboot to save the series

The average Thief FM enjoyer is worth a hundred average mouth-breathing gamers.

>>723394582 (OP)
Hopefully not after Deadly Shadows and THIAF.

We will never get another Looking Glass Studios.

>>723413575
>This is the bit where the comet hits the earth and the dinosaurs die, but the way is cleared for cooler life forms to evolve.
>cooler
yeah... haha...

>>723400252
>>723409838
Are Deadly Shadows classic gem now?

>>723413575
>This is the bit where the comet hits the earth and the dinosaurs die, but the way is cleared for cooler life forms to evolve
--Tim Sweeney, guy responsible for Fortinite

>>723414257
THIAF's greatest sin is making people retroactively think Deadly Shadows wasn't awful. THIAF may have been congealed AIDS, but DS was still shit.

>>723414257
Deadly Shadows has been considered a classic for years. It'll take a while longer for people to see the value in Thief 4 (like the fluidity and the excellent stealth mechanics held back by level design), but it'll happen.

>>723394582 (OP)
>Is there any future for [squenix owned franchise]
lol no

>>723394582 (OP)
Zoomies literally do not have the patience for the stealth genre.

>next release is a vr title
It’s dead. Move on

>>723416037
have you even tried VR? The stealth sections in HL: Alyx were great

>>723416084
NTA but I have and I also have motion sickness from VR which is a shame. I’m unable to enjoy VR because it makes me want to throw up. What little I did play of Alyx I thought was great though but VR is a shit fad in general

Insofar The Black Parade released a few years ago and contains some of the best Thief missions ever, the situation isn't too dire. But it will probably never be surpassed.

>>723413575
>"innovation was stupid because it cost so much"
>- Tim "Chewtoy" Sweeney

>Dishonored 3
>Flopspoken
>Deathloop
>Saints Row
>Suicide Squad
>Far Cry New Dawn
>Immortals
>HYENAS
>Redfail
>Starfaild
>Avowed
>Concord
>Borderlands 4 on sale 2 weeks after release

meanwhile
>literally who indies selling gangbusters

>>723399346
>Maw of Madness
That might be the best video game level of all time. I don't think I've ever been frightened by any game as an adult, but that one caught me.

>>723399468
Bonehoard takes it for me, but we clearly like the opposite sides of the coin in Thief. For me, it was always about the fantasy/grave robbing stuff.

>>723400252
Undefendable

>>723405859
The secret to having fun in Thief is knocking out all the guards and enjoying the level now that you can move freely also if you're pro at the game you can also go full sprint without being detected. But yeah, you're not alone, it took me 3 reinstalls until it clicked.

>>723407310
Respect the surface sound rules like the tutorial teaches and you'll become way faster and mobile. Zoomies don't understand why every guard gets raised to suspicion and think thief is about afking in shadows.

>>723394582 (OP)
The Dark Mod exists. People are still making FMs. There are Thief-like indie games but they're all shit.
There will never be another mainline game and we should be thankful for that.

>>723407228
>the gameplay is boring when compared to other stealth games
I would argue it's not a stealth game, it's a stealth simulation. Comparing Splinter Cell to Thief is like comparing Ace Combat to Flight Simulator. It's no coincidence that LGS literally made flight sims before they made SS & TDP.

>>723394582 (OP)
VR actually could have been good. When I played Alyx, all I could think was how a Thief game with that kind of object manipulation would be amazing, but I have no faith in the new devs. In a perfect world, we'd get a "remaster" of Thief that was just the engine/dromed with support for dynamic lighting, more robust physics, continuous campaigns in a seamless world like DS had and a better scripting system for NPC interactions. And also AI recreation of Russell's voice so FMs can ise new Garret lines. In reality, I'll be happy with lots of good FMs like we already get.

As a storyfag I keep hearing people say the story and lore of thief is good but what makes it good? I’ve only played 4 and bits of the first one and I’m curious what I’m missing out on

>>723416829
I agree. Challenge is fun and sometimes it isn't optimal to go on a ko spree, but I want absolute silence when I take in the ambience and look at the architecture.

I've never been that in love with thief purely as a stealth game. It falls into the same trap most of the genre does where the path of least resistance is a boring cheesy playstyle where you bludgeon every guard you come across so you can search couch cushions in peace.
what's really inspiring to me about thief is the few occasions where it absolutely nails a no frills sense of adventure. down in the bonehoard and the original lost city, just using your gadgets and the games moderate first person platforming mantling system to overcome challenges was so refreshing compared to the usual circle strafe combat interruptions you usually get in that type of game.

>>723417252
You know there's a VR Thief game slated for this year, right?
>>723394850

>>723417457
Themes of occult mysticism with a symbiosis with a world going through an industrial revolution. Things that seem like obtuse incoherent 2 deep 4 u babble actually tie nicely into the story and you'll realize it by the end of the final missions. Very strong characters. Grounded, but the studio was also brave enough to try new things. Maps that incorporate lore and don't feel like levels, but rather as real locations.
It's difficult to put into words. There's just fucking magic in Thief, and in the first game in particular.
Official ranking Thief 1 > The Black Parade > Thief 2 >>>>>> Thief 3. There is no fourth game.

>>723407310
>>723416957
Thief is actually a methodical platforming game about avoiding enemies; a dark souls of stealth - a dark dark souls, if you will.

>>723413575
> retard completely misses the influence of LGS output on whole ganres in the indsutry
I'm starting to believe Tim is actually retarded...

>>723417852
It really is a "floor is lava" type of game

>>723416829
I'm a huge blackjack nerd too, but I'm the first to acknowledge that ghosting is so much more intense and interesting.
Supreeme ghosting is retarded, tho.

>>723416502
I love how Thief felt effortlessly good at horrific horror. There is so many good horror fms out there !

>>723418042
>ghosting is so much more intense
TBP realized this and took advantage of it in moments where this style truly elevated a segment in a mission. Parts like the keeper library, almost the entirety of the underworld mission and unique creatures like the thing lurking in that grave robbing mission.

>>723405028
I wouldn't even call it a good stealth game. You can't even jump without the game telling you to; shit practically plays itself. Peak 2010s "cinematic" game design.

>>723417830
I do like it when the world is as much of a character as the others and what little I’ve played I’ve gotten that vibe from the City. It seems to have its own gravitas and atmosphere which I enjoy. Dunwall from Dishonored is something similar

>>723417457
The lore isn't that developped. For me, it's the mix of weird fantasy, early industrial steampunk, and dark gothic / romanesque occult elements that makes the setting such a huge draw.

>>723418042
what's the difference between ghosting and supreme ghosting? either way it sounds retarded to ignore half the game mechanics

>>723418773

https://www.klatremus.org/hn.htm

(Perfect) Supreme Ghost:
- Expert Difficulty
- Complete All Possible Objectives (except hidden or bonus objectives)
- No Damage Given or Taken
- No Knockouts/Kills
- No Alerts
- No Purchase/Use of Inventory/Weapons
- No Removing of Light Sources
- EVERYTHING Back to It’s Original State/Location
- No Triggering of Traps
- No Property Damage
- No Engine Exploitations
- No Unnecessary Pick-Ups
- For Perfect Supreme Ghost: Full Loot

It's ghosting, but for truly autistic people.

>>723394912
VR is akshually the perfect medium for Thief
Not to say this game will actually be good or anything

>>723416347
Eat ginger. Point a fan towards you. Play in short bursts with comfort settings. VR nausea isn't motion sickness, it's simulator sickness, which can be overcome.

>>723419141
it sounds like the devs understand Thief, talking about open levels, no quest markers, etc. Only potential problem is the yapping girl and maybe low budget production

>>723416502
i respect thief and the modders but let's not throw around the phrase best ever for everything

>>723419049
Hammerites get no respect. they keep the city safe(ish) and up and running but the common man dismisses this fact.

>>723417732
That's why I said "could have been good" followed by "but I don't have faith in the devs."

>>723419340
Thief levels are way more difficult to design than indies actually realize. There' a reason TBP was created by a team of FM makers who each had over a decade of experience in level creation, and it still took them 7 years to even come up with ten missions.
>>723419397
Prove it by naming 5 vidya that are even on par with the quality of TBP levels. I'll go play those games right now.

>>723417830
The actual ranking is
Thief 2 = TBP = various 1 off FMs > Thief
but yes, the setting is really strengthened by the environmental storytelling. The time period helps, because picking up a dozen audio logs in a scifi game feels like shit, but finding crumpled up or half burnt letters in different mansions that talk about a conspiracy to circumvent some law you read about in an official document you found on a guard captain's desk feels very, very "right". It's incredibly immersive story telling.

>>723417830
>Official ranking
Keep this official shit to yourself, bitch

>>723419049
>>723419501
Been a while since i played it but aren't they just reclusive militant monks

>>723418992
reminder that it took klatremus 10 hours to supreme ghost life of the party, half of which is waiting for the mechanist kid thing to move across the room
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DsBS4DnX5p0

>>723420146
They run a prison. And presumably they build shit. I really don't understand what their relationship with the rest of the city is though.

>>723420146
>>723420291
They also seem to maintain a fair amount of public works and act overall as a second law enforcement force in the City.

>>723420146
They are separatist fundamentalist who tolerate a secular society, but view people outside of their sect as second class citizens.
>The stone cannot know why the chisel cleaves it; the iron cannot know why the fire scorches it. When thy life is cleft and scorched, when death and despair leap at thee, beat not thy breast and curse thy evil fate, but thank the Builder for the trials that shape thee.

>>723420429
Do they...do it for free?

>>723420253
what a fucking loser

>>723420146
They aren't reclusive at all, they take part in many activities necessary to run the City, from patrolling the streets to manufacturing to maintaining public-use machinery. They are even allowed to run their own prisons and mines (same thing when it comes to Hammers).
The Mages are the reclusive ones, they just barged in the City outskirts, paid the lords lots of gold and built a tower. No one knows what they are up to.

I skipped the Gold levels!

>>723420540
they consider bashing in knave skulls as payment enough

played through all these so far
TBP aside I'm impressed at the scale of most of one offs, especially any FM from Nick Dablin
my autism wasn't strong enough for the playing card collecting in Duncan Malveine but it's pretty neat that he wrote 52 riddles hinting the location of each

>>723420146
>Been a while since i played it but aren't they just reclusive militant monks
The Hammers appear to have serious influence over the Barony and the city authorities, and appear to essentially be for all intents and purposes the state faith in the City. They have their own infrastructure and agenda that is significant in all three games. Metaphysically, the Hammers are basically a force against entropy as embodied by the pagans.

As the pagans say:
>The world as I once knew it was a place of magic - full of mystery and inhabited by creatures of glamour and terror. The men who lived there lit their bonfires and wondered at what crept and lurked in the darkness outside their weak circles of light. All their dreams, their aspirations and dreads, come from that darkness.

>Now, as the forces of "progress" cover the meadows in brick and cobblestone, as they replace the majestic loft of tree with the blocky ponderousness of building, they also light the world in their electric, actinic glare. With the lighting of the shadows, man loses his ability to fear, and to dream.

>The night, once the font of the unknown, becomes only the lack of the sun. I have conceived of a plan to revive the darkness, to bring a resurrection of the ability to fear and dream. And, once my Dark Project™ is realized, they shall know again to fear and love their Lord.

>>723415321
>value in Thief 4 (like the fluidity and the excellent stealth mechanics
what excellent stealth mechanics? i haven't played it in years, but i remember that i hardly had to worry about the surface noise unlike in the trilogy, and that there was this fancy slide which allowed garrett to completely bypass enemies. the stealth felt very casual.

>>723420740
the only good gold level was song of the caverns
and to be fair, it's one of the best levels in the game

>>723399606
Based

>>723420616
i mean, i personally find it impressive. this guy isn't some nolife neet who does it everyday because he has nothing better to do, he just occasionally attempts to complete levels in a way that only a handful of people would have the patience for, solely for the sake of proving that it is possible.

KINOOOOOOOO

>game begins with a regular dude who steals shit to pay his rent
>game ends with said dude fighting and killing the god of all nature who was going to doom the world
and people talk shit about the absurdity of jrpg storylines

>>723422003
It gives me Dromed PTSD

>>723422289
Now THAT'S what I call KINO

>>723420984
I looked up the last few but got most on my own. That plus the hidden rooms/diaries was amazing, and almost made me shit my pants. Probably the single best FM I've played.

>>723422289
>Garrett survives all the crazy shit from the first two games
>Thief Deadly Shadows: Gotta pay rent
the land lord was the real final boss

>>723422289
>garrett
>regular dude
he's the glownigger messiah

>>723421379
I really like the Mages' Towers, I wish we would have seen more of that faction.

>>723423446
it was cool in concept but i felt like it was repetitive as hell for its length

>>723420740
Nigger. Mages Towers and Song of the Caverns are fantastic missions. If you really want to, just skip Thieves Guild. Anyone with more than 100 IQ can navigate through that map tho.

>>723394582 (OP)
I don't trust a single dev team currently alive to make another Thief that does the first ones justice.

>>723394582 (OP)
No, Thief ended when LGS went bankrupt.

>>723423546
Thieves Guild would have been a decent mission if they didn't put so much backtracking into it

>>723398027
I already did twice
There won't be anything like this ever released again

>>723394582 (OP)
It would need good level design. Impossible.

>>723416829
I dont even do this for fun the levels sound and visuals just trigger an insane amount of paranoia for me and I cant interpret the vague maps unless that paranoia is gone so I can actually explore lol
but yes it does make each level more interesting

>>723417830
The atmosphere and sense of place in Thief 1 especially is incomparable. I think the somewhat basic graphics add to the impression because it makes the world mentally digestible... you can't memorize the layout of a modern AAA level, there's just too much fucking detail. But you can memorize the polygonal simplicity of a Thief level and actually mentally map out the game space.

Because of the simplistic graphics, the sound carries so much more weight. Audio design alone, nothing comes close to the sounds of Thief. Using dark ambient music that blends into the level ambience is so cool and very cinematic.

The simple graphics also make the game world incredibly readible... you can literally find loot by looking around the game world instead of looking for HUD icons.

>>723423446
Lucky you : In Black Parade, you have a whole mission dedicated to looting a mage academy, then !

>>723429013
I need to play Black Parade. After I finish Bloodlines.

If you liked >>723397071, you might also enjoy picrel

>>723428982
I remember the Thief audio guy said they lost something in Thief 3 because the music was long mp3s instead of the 8 second looping wavs or whatever Thief 1 had due to technical limitations

bump. thief is preak vidya and threads about it are always precious.

>>723394582 (OP)
I dont really care about the future of the series all im here for is to say fuck the cathedral level

>>723397071
Overhated and you got your opinion without actually playing it. Try it on the hardest difficulty with no focus powers.

>>723399346
How much better is Black Parade than Shadows of the Metal Age?

If I'm playing a girl character in VR, I wanna see big ol bonkhonagahoogs when I look down.

>>723436456
its gonna be very hard to sneak around when the guards hear them sloshing around

>>723400252
>over hated
fuck no, i played it after most of the bugs were (supposedly) fixed, it deserves the hate.

>>723434249
Not even close. I thought T2X was very meh for the most part. I won't say TBP has the 10 best Thief maps ever, but they're all top quality (regardless if you like their theme/style or not). As a full campaign, it blows T2X out of the water and it's not even close.

>>723434083
How about you actually tell us what the game has going for it that makes it worth it despite
>cinematic firstperson stealing animations
>no jumping unless we say so
>linearshit
rather than just going
>nah man you're just being a sheep, just spend 20 dollars and play the game in this specific way and you'll totally realize it's not a waste of time

>>723438695
>20 dollars
The game is regularly on sale for $5 or less.
>>cinematic firstperson stealing animations
Just deal with it, you don't have ADHD, do you?
>>no jumping unless we say so
Not as big of a deal as you cryweenies make it out to be
>>linearshit
Anon, I hate to be the one to tell you this, but the first 3 games are completely linear experiences, the missions are literally completed in a linear order.

It's still the best stealth game released since Deadly Shadows. It's much better than dogshit like Dishonored and the game rewards you for being able to ghost missions.

>>723439014
>Uhhh news flash, you complete the missions in a linear order
You are actually too stupid to talk to. Jesus.

>>723439592
I'll accept this post as a concession, I hope you're never able to enjoy another Thief game as long as you live.

I'm going to make my own thief game I hope you'll all play it when it's done

>>723394582 (OP)
Absolutely fucking not.
Looking Glass is dead.
The owners of the IP are making a VR crap shit instead of an actual game.
It's literally over.

>>723413575
Damn I've never seen this before
Crazy that he is an even bigger faggot than I previously thought

>>723439014
>Not as big of a deal as you cryweenies make it out to be
Not the guy you're arguing with, but you're a shit eating niggerfaggot. Every game that contextualizes jumping despite having an element of platforming is dogshit. No exceptions.

Fan maps give me life

>>723439014
>It's still the best stealth game released since Deadly Shadows.
No it isn't. Intravenous is a better stealth game, albeit isometric view, than that abortion that came out.

>>723394582 (OP)
A gacha with big boobs subcontracted to Tencent.

>>723436456
never gonna happen in the current woke era

>>723413575
Nice, another reason to hate his guts on top of trying to brute force PC storefront game exclusivity.

I think it's hard to sell a stealth game to ADHD tablet zoomers. The future is cell phone games streamed via netflix and featuring a lot of transgender black people, probably some sort of arcade quarters style fee for the game, always-on streaming by default. Probably the era of 'real' games is coming to a close entirely, not just stealth.

>>723394850
>VR
into the trash it goes

>>723400252
I remember the threads at the time but I cant remember why everyone hated on it other than "its shit".

Like I know its shit but I forget why.
At this point I think we've had so many shit games in the last 10 years that we're starting to see mediocre games from 12 years ago and show them some pity.

>the new generation doesn't want stealth games
NuHitman's been doing pretty well for the past few years, hasn't it?

>>723443548
Hitman isn't really a stealth game anymore. It's a rube goldberg machine sandbox.

>>723443645
Nah, stealth's still a strong part of it.

>>723443179
I think more of it as pure stealth in itself is actually pretty lame because all you're doing is going into crouch mode and ducking from LoS cones. The magic from the genre is gone.

>>723443252
VR is the natural progression for immersive sims

>had dream Sunday where amid all the capeslop titles like Wolverine and Blade, there was a Gambit title that was just a super polished Thief 2 clone with fun and interesting abilities as you work to steal from villains in New Orleans
>so vivid I actually woke up and was getting ready to text a friend asking if he saw the trailer before it clicked on me my mind was being fake and gay
I'm actually kinda mad at my imagination. I just want more Thief knockoffs. Gloomwood only took me so far

>>723423546
>Mages Towers
The idea is cool, the implementation is bad. Like Thieves Guild, it'd make a solid amateur FM, but it's not up to par for the real game. Too many badly composed featureless corridors and boring gimmick sections. The scale is also messed up and distances are too large, making stealth too easy except in parts like the grate-filled fire section, which was just tedious. The mages are also inept pussies in gameplay which is at odds with their (cool) lore and voicework.
Like gold in general it had cool ideas but was cut for a reason.

>>723415664
Just gotta add a Rewind function surely for them.
And block the last stage/true ending for people with it enabled

>>723419501
"The wretched scum have no idea what is going on this city"

>>723429013
Great mission. But for me it's Jaws of Darkness that mission is fantastic

>>723445634
Not a terrible idea as the games just do not work without quicksaving. No one wants to get 3/4 of the way through bonehoard and then die to a bad jump especially when mantling randomly bugs out sometimes

>>723447176
While I appreciate how good it was for the type of mission it is, I hated Bonehoard and that mission was basically Bonehoard plus Mage Towers.

As the one person in this thread who owns an Index, I hope the new game turns out to be good...
It probably won't, though.

>>723423446
Mage Towers are only finr on the first playthrough. Going through it again when you know what you're in for is a slog

>>723448772
True and i am tired of people praising it.

>>723394582 (OP)
god I hope not
FMs are all I need