Thread 723476858

Now that the dust has settled, we all agree that this is the last good thing Ryukishi wrote, right?

>Ryukishi
>wrote
Umineko was Ghostwritten by Ryukishi's friend BT

>>723476971
...Cool Shock BT?

>>723476858 (OP)
Idk but i want to have sex with eva while hideyoshi watches

>>723476858 (OP)
No, that would be Higanbana and even that is pretty rough at some episodes

Give it to me straight, will I make myself angry if I watch all of the streams in a row?

>>723477194
Yes. I have no idea why you would want to watch all of them in a row, that would drive anyone nuts.
Watch the episode 1 and 2 streams though, before Mouse gets too heavily involved with the streams. They're peak. The rest of them are whatever.

>>723476858 (OP)
That's a man

>>723477194
>>723477319
What the fuck are you people even talking about?

>>723477453
This thread will get nuked I explain because of a mentally ill spammer who shows up but if you search "Umineko JADS" into Google you'll get your answer.

>>723476858 (OP)
Nah, Rose Gun Days, Higanbana and, Ciconia Phase 1 were all good. 2019 was the end.

>>723477453
E-Celeb shit. Pseud, reads a VN with voice acting, while getting mad that a drawing is wearing a leotard.

>>723476858 (OP)
No that would be higurashi

>>723477319
>>723477194
What the fuck is wrong with you?

>>723476858 (OP)
>>723477831

Serious question:
Do /v/nons prefer Higurashi or Umineko? Which would you consider the better novel?

>>723477779
that never happened

>streamershit
The 7th mod has voices just install it for maximum immersion and comfy.

>>723477998
i think umineko is more ambitious and demands more from the reader, but ultimately i didn't care about the characters unlike higurashi

Uminegro was kino.

>>723477523
A streamer? Someone recommend him muramasa so he'll ruin it as well.

>>723477998
Higurashi is consistently fantastic from chapters one through six. It nosedives in quality during the final two chapters due to pacing reasons even though the core of the story is still strong. I don't mind how silly it gets because it's meant to blindly optimistic by design, and Ryukishi even admits that if someone wrote fanfiction of the story being resolved in another way, it would automatically be superior to his "solution".
Umineko has consistently bad pacing and scenes that contribute very little to the overall story however it resonates far more with me when considering the central themes. Chapter one is absolutely amazing, one of the greatest works of fiction I've ever read, not showing Beatrice AT ALL for the entire first Rokkenjima scenario makes the magic and occult super effective, even though it's all just shadows on the wall. Chapter two is also excellent. But, the more Umineko delves into magic, the weaker it gets.
So I'm not really sure.

>>723478027
He read over voice acting for hours at a time when there is a readily available option to read the VN without voice acting. He got as mad as a pig under a gate about Delanor's design. Stop lying to strangers on the internet fag.

>>723478535
you have no proof

>>723477998
Higurashi. It's the work that was the most untainted by the audience reactions that would go influence Umichiru very negatively.

>>723477998
Higurashi

>>723476858 (OP)
Hey, it's more recent than the last good thing Jun Maeda wrote.

>>723477998
when i reread them in jp ill know for sure but right now i feel like higurashi just because it has no stupid battles that last for four fucking hours until the very final chapter

>>723478623
I miss little busters.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8--74pgXLpQ

>>723478232
You can't play masa on stream

>>723477998
Higurashi is better, Umineko feels more brain breaking but thats because it's kind of retarded.

>>723478567
Don't act retarded on the internet either. Its cringe.

>>723478535
>He got as mad as a pig under a gate about Delanor's design.
Fucking LMAO. So leotards were his fetish all this time? Why would you be embarrassed over it? Especially when 2B exist.

>>723478685
Tsumihoroboshi literally has a stupid fucking battle that goes on for 2 hours and its one of the best chapters.

>>723478757
thanks for the lack of evidence

My wife.

>another dogshit r07 thread

English mystery VNs on Steam from the past few years:
>Birth ME Code
>Blankspace
>Clean Slate
>CORPSE FACTORY
>Decide 4 God (Out now in full 1.0)
>The Divine Deception
>Entropic Float: This World Will Decay And Disappear
>The Game of Fourtune
>Head AS Code (remake)
>Look Inside
>Methods: The Detective Competition
>The Price of Flesh
>Quantum Suicide
>Reaplaced
>Shards of Chaos
>The Specters Desire
>SYNESTHESIA
>The Zodiac Trial

English mystery VNs on Steam that are to-be-released:
>Beyond R: Rule Ripper
>Bound Between Desks
>Detective Instinct: Farewell, My Beloved
>The Lost Delinquents of Rollings High
>Thief's Roulette
>Ubel
>Underground22
>Whispering Memories (March 6)

>>723478715
For me it's weaker than Clannad and Kanon, but purely because I like the dynamic and story focus a bit less. The baseball minigame was fantastic.

>>723478715
Legendary OP

ikuko = sayo

the final filter

>>723478535
I won't ever watch some streams, but I believe it. He's always pretended like he's above these and doing it as ironic performance. Basically, he's a little bitch

>>723478816
i completely forgot about that, youre right, it works there though because its set up with a chekovs gun at the story of the chapter and theres an amazing emotional payoff with renas confession of love
im glad someone else here loves tsumihoroboshi as much as me its probably my fav chapter
im embarassed i forgot about that

>>723476858 (OP)
Rose Guns Days was better

>>723477998
Umineko has some really good parts, but Higurashi is just consistently phenomenal until the end where it drops the ball a bit. It's no contest.

>>723478892
>English mystery VNs
>trying to evade filters
Imagine being this insufferable LMAO

>>723478906
>The baseball minigame was fantastic.
I seethed a lot. Even in the end I was really bad at it.

>>723477998
Higurashi is the superior horror story by far, but overall as a literary piece Umineko exceeds it by a gigantic margin.

>>723479029
Same and yet I loved it all the same.

>>723479057
Lord BATTLER, I kneel...

>>723478957
The entire sequence in Tatarigoroshi when Keiichi snaps, plots Teppei's murder, murders Teppei, buries his body, is picked up by Takano, contemplates murdering Takano and, then is threatened by her is fantastic.

>>723479071
I agree that it's fun and really add to the game. I love when the game adds extra activities which reflect characters personality.

>>723476858 (OP)
Where the FUCK is Ciconia?

>>723478957
Higurashi clearly peaks in episode 6 but everything was kind of building up to it so I'm ok with it. Agree that parts of E8 get a little sillier than they had to like Mion's Home Alone mountain.

>>723478535
What really ticked me off was when he started talking about Higurashi. Just for some context, he read for a few hours on April Fools as a joke stream, then at the end of Umineko he said "Higurashi is too weeby and sexist, I don't think I could stomach that". Bitch, you've only read a quarter of the first chapter. What the fuck are you talking about?
Also it really annoyed me that he called it sexist. There is some yikes stuff in there but most of the Higu fans I know are women including myself (no I'm not posting shit fuck off). He's just a slimey pandering git, I wouldn't trust him if he was around me, he gives me creep vibes.

>>723479308
>Flopconia
Let it go. It's over. Like OWARI DA over.

>>723479336
my $30....

>>723479330
>Higurashi is too weeby and sexist
I'm glad he got filtered so we hopefully don't have to put up with e-celeb garbage tainting Higurashi discussion on /v/. This is the only board where there are still ok Higurashi threads. /a/ are mindbroken by Gou/Sotsu, while/jp/s are genuinely /dbs/tier schizo nonsense.

>>723479330
he is indeed a weirdo however youre larping so stfu

>>723479330
you tell him, sis.

isn't this the same retard who was whining and crying and shidding himself pretending to better than the persona games

Umineko has a lot of great ideas in it but it feels like it meanders forever and is too abstract for me. I really enjoyed reading it but as a whole it feels unsatisfying to spend so much time trapped in a metaworld of someone's autistic daydreams that never happened. The mysteries were really disappointing because the solutions required completely robotic accomplices without proper motivations. It was a fun ride before I realized what was happening though.

Higurashi was less ambitious but more consistent, even the last two episodes, despite being worse, felt satisfying enough because I cared enough about the characters to enjoy the payoff.

>>723478816
The rooftop battle was objectively a bit dumb but still nothing compared to the magic battles in Umineko. Not remotely comparable to the tower shit or endless rambling about flags and the power level of a goat's punch

>>723479330
When will you stupid fucks learn that to sell the LARP, you need to NOT disclose explicitly?

>>723479524
>>723479605
These are the literal manchildren who watch this guy's streams. You both should be embarrassed, but you lack the self awareness.

>>723479682
I love Higurashi, I like it quite a bit more then Umineko, but the rooftop fight was played straight, it wasn't a metaphor like the magic battles.

>>723477689
>denied cikinonia because r07 got scared that history wasn’t over and current events continued to occur
Genuinely the most bitch made thing I’ve heard of from any writer ever.

>>723479484
Yes, quite. His community is seriously embarassing. I have a story with one of his community members and they're all odd t b h.
>>723479524
>>723479697
Believe what you want. My point still stands. You honestly can't tell me that he doesn't give you creeper vibes.

>>723476971
>>723477050
Big Tits?

Magic isn't real.

>>723479330
>most of the Higu fans I know are women
It really surprised me when one of the Phase Connect girls streamed the new Silent Hill game and kicked things off by talking a bit about really liking Higurashi back in the day. I didn't think it was the kind of work women would enjoy.

Erika owes me cock worship

>>723480048
you don't need to talk like a pirate to get her attention, matey

>>723476858 (OP)
>trannyneko
>good
No.

>>723480120
There is literally one line in a visual novel longer then the Bible that you can interpret (if you are a tranny obsessed schizo) that even hints at such a thing. Quit making assumptions based on what retarded tranny obsessed niggers tell you.

>>723480016
there was an anime so you can never really know who's a secondary.

>>723480120
>>723480215
Yasu is a biological woman who is vain about her injuries from being pushed off a cliff. Read the VN you stupid cocksucker.

you guys are genuinely insane or coping if you think most women don't like umineko and higurashi
half the fanfase is women and ******** mentioning how relatable the characters
>"she's crazy just like me lol"
>"it has problematic parts but it's le PEAK fiction!"

Willard was cool

>>723480215
right, she just had her ovaries removed and couldnt grow breasts even tho her half italian mom's boobs were huge.

>>723480270
>Yaso
I meant to say Sayo, but my point still stands. Everyone parroting this, hasn't actually read the VN.

>>723480298
>women

>>723480353
You don't know any women with A cups who had moms with D cups? Oh, you probably don't know any women. My bad.

>>723480434
It's /v/, you can drop the 'probably'.

>>723476858 (OP)
No. That was higurashi. Uminegro was shit.

>>723480362
chapter six contains the two most boring characters in the series asking sayo over and over which gender they'll identify as. why the confusion, I wonder.

>>723480298
>you guys are genuinely insane or coping
It's just incels pretending wtc is super obscure and only men know about it.

>>723480434
no, I dont, and even the ushiromiya blood is universally big titted.

>>723480362
Nigga did you forget the entirety of chapter six? Though I don't blame you because the answers arc is shit.

>>723479914
I think he was just butthurt because it sold like shit

>>723480725
>>723480608
I'll admit that I forget almost entirely about Furfur and Zepar and chapter 6 as a whole. The only good parts of that chapter were Jessica v Kyrie, Eva v George, the wedding and I think the Erika v Maria debate was in that chapter as well. I still think its open to interpretation massively and that people who interpret it as gender dismorphia have trannies on the brain too much. I'd be interested in seeing what the common interpretation was when that chapter was released pre mental illness being socially acceptable.

>>723480016
I can only speak for myself, but an unspoken admiration I have is that Ryukishi is far better at writing women than any other male author. There are a lot of subtle psychological nuances that are incorporated that makes me wonder if he has a female ghostwriter. If not, then it's very impressive.

>>723481126
I think he's just genuinely good at it, and yes, it's something I noticed as well.

>>723480608
>>723480725
You don't even need to make it to 6. 2 is "I lost my dick and want to die" the VN. You won't win an argument with someone who thinks an accidental eunuch in a fictional story is their bluesky boogeyman though.

I feel like Ryukishi is good at setting up a premise and mystery but bad at following through, and extremely bad at ever revisiting a finished story. I try to ignore the adaptations exist.

>>723481310
If I had to say, he's just not a very good writer but is definitely someone whose understanding of people (individually or socially) is better than most.

Im always surprised by how many people think higu is a male centric novel. Most of the cast are female and its not haremshit. Yeah no shit there are a lot of girls into it

>>723481224
I didn't consider that interpretation, but I think it makes sense as well. I realize no one is able to have nuanced thoughts here, but don't automatically assign your strawman to me fag. I can accept that Sayo either a biological woman who had horrible scars, unrelated to her genitalia or that Sayu is a man who was a eunich due to the accident and is confused because of that. I think assigning the modern braindead gender politics to a VN from 15 years ago is retarded.

>>723481126
>r07 is actually a woman and shes using a stunt double for public appearances and the whole tohya thing in umineko is an admission of that
would be based desu

>>723476858 (OP)
Silent Hill is good it's only had this reaction because normies have been exposed to 07th kino and they arent used to it yet.
Remember how weirded out you felt the first time you read one of the novels.
It needs time to culturally assimilate or whaever.

>>723481831
Have you actually tried playing it?

>>723481831
its bad cause its a ryukiji story but you have to beat stinky ass silent hill 3 times to read it

Umineko is shit.

Umineko is great.

>>723479916
Why do you fear the desu?

I will enter this thread, say that I'm just 5 chapters in and leave immediately without reading anything so I won't get spoiled.
Liking it so far. Natsuhi best girl.
I'm out.

>>723482494
>Natsuhi best girl
Based

Natsuhi deserves a better man.

>>723482742
GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOODS!

>>723482494
Good taste. Now get out while you can.

Krauss is the best boy

>>723482742
krause is an idiot but he loves her and is nice to her so seems fine

>>723482742
>>723482862
lol

>>723478535
>>723479330
He lives to make idiots seethe, you've fallen for the bait. Congratulations

>>723483250
Pretending to be retarded means you are retarded.

How long would it take Tyrion Lannister to solve Umineko?

>>723483023
>krause is an idiot
Fuck you. In some parallel world where space dream didn't die and space race didn't end he would be rich.

>>723483686
Tyrion isn't intellectual rapist.

>>723482494
>5 chapters in
The quality ended in chapter 4. Chapter 6 is a noticeable decline and it's all downhill from there.

>>723483687
t. krauss

>>723482494
Chapter 5+ is where true kino starts, the soul of the story. It's giant filter for mysteryfaggots (normalfags).

>>723479682
Yeah, the accomplices were pretty underbaked. I get Genji, Nanjo and Kumusawa being driven by some degree of guilt, though I don’t think that’s an incredibly strong motive, but the rotating ones that chance per episode feel like they just did it because the plot demands it, which is odd considering that the game is all about people needing a reason to commit murder.

>>723483686
Probably by episode three idk
what a weirdly specific question lol

Episode 4 is so shit except for the ending
and I won't even mention the sabotage of episode 3's cliffhanger and the fucking absolute slog that is the fulfillment of the intrigue involving that cliffhangers remains
i swear I wasn't alone in this opinion but I keep seeing episode 4 wank

>>723484124
You wouldn't let an insane teenager murder you because you feel kinda bad?

>>723484124
They're paid off with the gold, it makes perfect sense. The only thing that's comical is the sheer number of accomplices required for some episodes. Half of Rokkenjima is "in on it" sometimes.
As for the crest servants + Nanjo, they're driven by more than just guilt. They're complicit in his crime. They have a stronger motivation than you might assume.

Thanks to my personal experience , i can sadly point out that most people don't
believe in alternative theories just because Shkanontrice's truthfulness has been
conrmed by the manga and by an interview with Ryukishi. Before starting to
expose a theory it's better to eliminate this certainty of absolute haughtiness in
the reader. So why did Ryukishi lie? To admit it means to insult him, i cannot
believe that such a genius can play with our feelings only and only to make his
mystery eternal.
RYUKISHI NEVER LIED ..... all the fault was ours.
To explain our fault, i am forced to remind you some of the events that occurred
in Umineko during the 5th chapter: -Erika formulated the theory in which Natsuhi
is the culprit and, despite being such a stupid theory and invalidated even by the
red truth, it was proclaimed truth by the Game Master Lambda. She wrote this
story, She knew it was wrong but still she accept it as the truth without doing
anything. WHY? The answer to this absurd event is the same that made Ryukishi
accept Shkanontrice as Truth and of course it is written in Umineko:
A TRUTH THAT CANNOT BE DISCOVERED HAS NO RIGHT TO BE
CALLED TRUTH

I dedicate this tale to my beloved witch Italianom.

>>723478232
why would you wish such suffering upon us muramasafags

Umineko is like 53 on EGS and rance x is first on both vndb and EGS

>>723484605
i entertain any and all theories, but sayo = ikuko is the one that completes the story.

>>723484760
65/100* my bad

>>723478906
>For me it's weaker than Clannad and Kanon
Overall, yes, but I do think the Refrain segment of LB is better and singlehandedly makes LB 10/10 for me

>>723484763
You have to be a Maria tier intellect to believe that.

>>723484937
If the overall theme suits you better then Refrain will stand out, yeah. Most nips would agree for instance.

>>723484937
Key should have never stopped making Kinoge.

>>723484124
I just don't think the guilt alone is enough, the stuff they do doesn't feel plausible at all. Hell, given how the story is presented, I'm not even sure I could believe Shannon/Kanon could do it as the personalities are treated as very independent to the point of creating some really bullshit red truths.
It's especially bad if you're coming from Higurashi which does a great job of putting you in a murderer's mindset many times. The violence is treated with weight and has proper motivation. Umineko "solutions" are the opposite of this.
It's not a fatal flaw in the story because the obvious answer is that none of that ever happened and it's just Yasu's autism, I guess you could just say she's bad at writing mysteries for that reason, it doesn't make the end result satisfying though.

>>723485129
Tell that to Jun "VNs are dead, let's pivot to gachashit" Maeda. Oh wait, you can't because any bit of criticism gets him to delete his online presence for the millionth time.

>>723478757
How old was this show? Isn't it fairly old? I guess it was ahead of its time.

>>723484124
All of the adults are driven by a desperate need for money, and as shown in episode 3 and 7's tea party they are willing to kill each other for it. As far as they're aware they're helping Sayo with a murder mystery prank for Battler.

>>723485369
Its an edit, but you should watch The Sopranos anyway, it is an excellent and timeless show. Apart from season 6 which fucking sucks

>>723485394
As proven in episode 8 they all got along,

>>723485369
That scene was from around 2006-2007. "How's about the fact that I hate my son? All he does it fuck around in a little chit chat room with a buncha other jerk offs."

>>723485450
>Its an edit
Literally two shots 10 seconds apart anon.
>spoiler
That scene is from Season 6

>>723481831
Cool, now explain why it's good.

What would change on Rokkenjima if The Sopranos owned the island instead of The Ushiromiyas?

>>723478731
Sure you can, the GOG version has the h scenes cut I'm pretty sure. But you're getting a lesser experience that way, to be fair.
>>723484686
Don't worry Muramasabro, that fag streamer is filtered by even a little otaku pandering so it's physically impossible for him to even read it. He got filtered by Higurashi and Steins;Gate(both superior to Umineko btw) because there was too much "weeb shit".

>>723486073
Demented Uncle Jun would insist that the gold is real and Tony would blow him off.

>>723485978
nta heres my list i use to grab peoples attention
>great acting
>great cinematography
>great music choice
>great scripts (for the most part)
>decent set design
>not too overbearing or pretentious
>serious topics but still lots of humor

>>723480298
after seeing how many foids know of totono en, saya, subahibi etc.. I just accepted reading VNs is pretty much a woman's hobby nowadays, I bet FMDM will eventually join their list and we'll see a bunch of women thirsting over Kageaki something I'm surprised never happened before, the guy feels like he came straight out of those rape fiction millenial women love reading

>>723484760
>it's real
Rance-sama, I kneel. Where the fuck is the Rance X translation, anyway? I hope they do a physical release. I still have the Evenicle one with the USB drive, pretty cool concept instead of a disk, honestly.

>>723478816
Correct me if I'm wrong but the battle only went on for around 20 minutes, which is significantly more reasonable. They had a line about it feeling like hours, but not that much time had passed

>>723486373
I'm kind of counting the whole Rena taking the school hostage sequence.

>>723486079
Yeah. Parts of Muramasa were basically comedy gold shitposts.

>>723484959
this flat woman with no friends and family who's giga wealthy for no reason and obsessed with mystery stories randomly stumbled across battler the very day he washed up on shore and adopted him and wrote narratives about rokkenjima in great detail, and this is a satisying resolution to umineko.

>>723476858 (OP)
>Ryu07 said he wants to bring a series back
Umineko Gou when

>>723480908
This
I wish he had as much passion as Kodaka who keeps writing despite all the flopping

>>723486419
That would plausibly take a couple of hours to resolve, though. Real hostage situations can go on for much longer

>>723486596
Why wish that evil on us? If Passione just adapted the VN with no additions it'd be fine.

>>723484763
>>723486591
Reality is Featherine is Ryukishi's self insert and he wanted to fuck Battler. Just notice how as soon as BT died he removed Beatrice from the story and forced his mary sue selfinsert. His female staff stopped him from Battler x Featherine wedding

>>723486079
>testosterone entering the streamer's body after reading a single muramasa fight scene

>>723486694
Not saying its bad or unrealistic (past the two teenagers having a melee fight on the roof). Just that there were "fights" in Higurashi prior to Matsuribayashi that went on for hours.

is this game that good to justify the 100 hr playtime? That's a lot of books I could just read instead in which I don't need to left click constantly to read

>>723487018
No. Move away.

>>723486663
i'm not sure kodaka will survive the 100 line flop, he seemed to have bet it all.

>>723487018
Read Higurashi instead

>>723487018
if you like reading books you should read books.

>>723486810
Trvke. For me it's the scene when Kageaki simply chops off a Musha's arm with just a regular katana. Kino. And give Hanachirasu and Kaigen Seito a read if you have the chance. Same writer, same kino battles, same autistic level of explaining swordsmanship for 20 minutes at a time.

>>723487018
No. Read the superior VN, see >>723487195

>>723487018
Read Bible

>>723476858 (OP)
No, r07 only wrote one okay thing in his life, and that is Higurashi. The rest is absolute garbage trash.
You think Umineko is good for one or more of the following 4 reasons:
1. the music is fantastic and you are so stupid you get swayed by it. Your dumb lizard brain is more developed than the neo cortex judging the quality of the writing
2. you liked what the ghostwriter guy with all the ideas wrote, and you are too dumb to notice the shift in everything the writing took after he folded the envelope
3. you are a gullible idiot lacking in basic critical thinking aptitude, and easily swayed by the mirage of depth. Some retard could tell you "no, there is some deeper meaning here that you are not getting", and you will believe it. Emperor's new clothes and all.
4. you know umitranny is shit and are just trolling, because people calling you an idiot is, for some unfathomable reason, better than everyone ignoring your extremely unimportant and insecure self

>>723487018
For the optimal kino/time ratio, read the first chapter and stop. Might be hard to actually do this though. Otherwise >>723487195

>>723487554
Me on the right

>>723487554
The music really is fantastic, both in terms of quality and quantity.

>>723485482
What's your point? The fact that they got along and were willing to kill each other for money aren't mutually exclusive.

Umineko made me cry.

>>723486591
Actually the resolution to Umineko is everyone is dead, including battler who has brain damage and his old self is gone and you have to move on ans let go like Ange.
So yes, Ikuko is not the shut in gender mashed would be serial killer with emotional issues. She is a mature and skilled writer like Ryukishi (our genius king)
It’s like you didn’t even read Umineko.
Holy shit what a loveless goat.

Krauss didn't kill anyone for money.

>>723487718
They didn’t kill each other for money though.
Where’s your proof? Show me the golden truth.

>>723487978
This,so much this.

>>723487718
It does seem dumb in the case of finding the gold, because that's more than enough to pay for everyone's debts. Trying to pull off a mass murder introduces massive unnecessary risk which is in no way worth it. It could only make sense in a dark forest kind of way where you're paranoid about others doing it first, which to be fair is possible.

>>723487978
>umineko is about... le letting go

>>723487694
Yeah it's great. It is a real pity that it will be forever tied to a joke IP.

>>723487282
the entire Kageaki vs Sorimachi sequence is pure kino, the Immelmann turn scene had so much SOVL It healed my depression I wish there was a mecha vidya that used Muramasa's basic combat structure, that shit's too cool to go to waste.
I started reading hanachirasu 2 weeks ago but got a little busy, definetly enjoyed what I had seen though, Ittetsu's jokes are on point regardless of the story, It's impressive how an old japanese man had the exact same humor as zoomer me on the other side of the planet almost 20 years ago.

>>723486079
Steins;Shit doesn't even come close to Umineko. Or Higurashi.

>>723488383
True, that entire part was great. One of my favorite fights next to the Hero ending when Masamune turns into an eldritch monstrosity. I really enjoy Ittetsu's writing style. Despite not being the focus the humor's really great. I wish he'd have written some more stuff instead of just vanishing after Muramasa. And Hanachirasu's very good even though it's pretty short. Kaigen Seito is weird since it's padded by weirdly made turn based combat but the ending is so kino I'd recommend it regardless.

>>723488974
I feel like I live on an alien planet to see all this infighting. Is there anyone else itt who loves Higurashi, Umineko, and Steins Gate alll at once like me? It's constantly arguing over them.

>>723488052
>prove something you never claimed
I never said they killed each other, only that they were willing to. Besides, you're losing track of the original argument which was that they absolutely would help with a murder mystery prank if it meant solving their money problems.

>>723489054
I do, you're not alone.

>>723489054
This only ever happens in Umineko threads for some reason. Maybe it's some fags salty about S;G's VNDB score or something, I'm honestly not sure. This never happens when any other visual novel is mentioned so I don't get it either. Most people that aren't retarded would probably enjoy all of those VNs but there's always some schizo that attacks every visual novel that's not Umineko. Even Higurashi, for some reason.

>>723477998
Higurashi console Arcs are the best. Silent hill F even copies the same prescription drug plotline.

Reuenthal from legends of the galactic heroes even shows up.

>>723489051
>And Hanachirasu's very good even though it's pretty short.
I think it was unfinished.

>>723480075
>feel the finger Battler?
>the hand is up here, teehee~
WHAT
WERE
THEY
THINKING

>>723489436
I think Miotsukushi is a better ending then Matsuribayashi, but the rest of the console arcs are just ok. Miotsukushi Ura wraps up that whole subarc in a compelling way. Ooishi crying sold me on the ending of the second arc in that subarc and Tsukiotoshi is fun nonsense and, Yoigoishi having choices like a traditional VN is neat, but I don't see the value past that.

>>723489054
I like Higurashi a lot, S;G was just meh to me. I feel annoyed that even on 4chan there are fags trying to pressure me into liking popular shit that I didn't enjoy even though I gave it more than a fair shot already.

>>723489490
I felt it wrapped up pretty nicely, honestly. But it could've been longer so maybe you're right. Kaigen Seito kind of fleshes the ending out more but the gameplay's not very good.

>>723489594
Gonna samefag to say I like Tomoe as a protag also. She is a good straightwoman to the other characters.

>>723489620
Same, S;G was my first 1/10 and the point where I realized I should look beyond what this place recommends.

>>723489287
No they wouldn’t.
This is a lie.
Propagated in message bottles and forgeries.

>>723489851
What did you hate about it? Was it Okabe having a personality and being "cringe" what scared you? Because if it's that you should reread it in 10 years, when you are over those childish concerns.

>>723489851
>he went to Reddit.
Ushiromiya George tier fat poster.

>>723489620
>>723489851
You need to read Chaos;Head before Steins;Gate to really get it desu. But both of those are very character driven so if you don't like the characters or chuunikino then you probably won't like them.
>>723490095
based

Rose Guns Days is my favourite

>>723490241
Chaos;Head is not worth reading.

>>723490241
The characters annoying me is one thing, but the whole thing just felt like it catered to /a/ in one of its worst eras. I don't know how I had the patience to finish it back then. Now that I'm in my 30s I might see it in a different light, but giving one of my most disliked works another chance is honestly pretty low on my priority list.

>>723490453
>t. filtered by Taku

>>723489051
I was surprised to find out there are people who dislike the long fight expositions, I liked them so much I found myself wanting more by the end of the story the Sayo and Jo'ansai fight being cut off was a genuine crime
>I wish he'd have written some more stuff instead of just vanishing after Muramasa
I agree but I'd rather have the guy leave after making what he wanted to do than force himself to write soulless crap just to pay the bills.
I like to imagine Ittetsu is living a peaceful life away from society and just mastering his swordsman skills, if that man saw how dogshit the anime industry and the world has gotten he'd probably go insane, I remember him saying he's worried about the younger generation becoming very right-leaning in an untranslated paper about his opinions on Fate/Stay Night, so it's most likely that the latter happened.

>>723490241
>>723490623
I read Chaos;Head and Taku was a fun character
I started reading Chaos;Child and the main character was so obnoxious lol

>>723490563
The whole atmosphere of early 2000s Akihabara was one of my favorite things about it, honestly. So were the constant (not)2chan references. The protag speaking in chunni speak was kino. Might be it's just not for you but imo it's one of the best visual novels. Not Elite, though. That one's awful.
>>723490835
I agree. C;C has a better story but I didn't like the protag. Taku was a way better protagonist.

>>723490623
If you force people to read C;H first they are far more likely to drop the series completely than if they started with SG.

>start reading Umineko because of your discord GF
>she breaks up with you

LMAO

>>723491048
That's true but on the other hand if someone's not bothered by Taku's delusions then they'll enjoy Okabe's constant chuuni behavior as well. And you can't enjoy C;C without reading C;H first and Child is almost on par with Steins;Gate.

>>723491097
rumour has it he broke up with her because he thought she wasnt good looking enough because shes not a blonde lol

>>723491215
>Child is almost on par with Steins;Gate.
...and other absurd things we tell ourselves.

>>723489851
>1/10
lmao ok, what's your 8, 9, 10/10?

>>723490241
>>723490563
Chaos;Head and Steins;Gate, and the opinions they elicit on people, are interesting in psychological terms.
Some people like C;H but absolutely hate S;G, and vice versa. I think you can only appreciate Taku if you ever had a vaguely similar mindset at some point in your life (socially insecure, neet, nerd, otaku, fucking normalfags get the fuck out of my board REEEEEE).
Meanwhile Okabe is, in his delusional/pretend persona, a lot more outgoing, charismatic, tall(for a jap) and brave in not giving a fuck about making a clown out of himself. Normally the people that identify too much with Taku due to, well, otakudom and unability to fit in with ordinary society, will dislike this perceived extroversion from Okabe. And probably the other way around, for naturally outgoing people that never had the crippling issues Taku faced.
Just a little tidbit that occurred to me to explain this weird thing where people like one VN but hate the other.
And then you have the absolute plebians that don't like any of them and fall asleep when reading anything longer than a twitter post. But then again those aren't humans, just NPCs.

>>723491378
Sorry anon but if you don't enjoy chuunikino you have no soul. Here's another redpill: S;G Hiyoku Renri no Darling is better than Robotics;Notes and Anonymous Code(though this one is pretty bad so it's not really a surprise).

>>723489851
S;G is not a 1/10 by any stretch of the imagination.
If's fine if you don't like it but come on now.

>>723484124
Genji is the absolute worst. The whole moral of the story is to treat characters like real people instead of murder tools, but Genji is a literal murder robot who obeys orders unquestionably. He's what the "the culprit must not be a servant" rule warns about.

>>723476858 (OP)
>>>/vmg/

>>723489772
I really liked her feminism viewpoint, cynically exploiting it, so she can plot against her opponents.

>>723489594
Ooshi finally addressing the years of slander, being called oyashiro-sama servant, I was raging at the ending of that, I really wanted them to find the culprit.

Koto was neat for Hanyuu to, Risky and his shrine dress obsession.

I initially thought miotsukishi led I to Gou/Sotsu, cause keiichi was club leader.

>>723492413
didnt it eos

>>723479916
>I have a story with one of his community members and they're all odd t b h.
Go on

>>723492535
I really like Hanyuu's alt outfit.

>>723492535
Glad someone else actually read the console arcs instead of just shitting on them from afar. I also forgot to mention that the adaptation of Hinamizawa Bus Stop was neat.

>>723481831
>It needs time to culturally assimilate or whaever.
I hope that never happens, the normalfag standards getting that low will have catastrophic effects on the average IQ of the population.

>>723477998
Higurashi gives people what they want
Umineko gives people what they need

>>723492378
It's kind of funny to imagine approaching the Umineko murders in the realistic style of Tatarigoroshi. I don't think Yasu would be able to even kill one person much less get away with those ridiculous plans.
Although this fits with the story as a whole if we assume the actual truth was disappointing, ugly, and messy, hence why Eva hid the truth for so long.

>>723492856
I'm reading them right now and thought Natsumi's arc was pretty good although it barely felt like a mystery since I felt like the whole thing was largely explainable by untreated HS.
I could really have done without the absurd Mion katana wank at the end of the following arc however, which was a shame because I liked that episode before that

>>723476858 (OP)
No, that's Rose Guns Days. But none of the umitrannies have read it despite their claims.

>>723493253
No, it gives them super AIDS cancer. You probably need that for liking that shit, but the ordinary person tricked by tranny discorders into reading it doesn't want, need or deserve such a thing.

>>723493415
If you're spending the best years of your life talking about a vn you don't like, I wonder what hell will look like for you.

>>723479916
he never came off as a creep to me but he is insufferable

>>723493275
Sayo has them hostage with the magic typhoon and the bomb. She set the game up so she couldn't actually lose.

>>723493275
If we're taking the only canon event to be Kyrie's murder quest, it's still preposterous. Real murderers don't genocide their entire bloodline for money. A greedy kid could kill his parents for inheritance, but committing mass murder is something you do once you completely give up on your future.

>>723493564
I just spend some minutes giving life lessons to poor misguided anons on one monitor while fapping to the other. Don't worry anon, I will be fine. But thanks for the concern ;)

>>723493862
By the way, how did Sayo know ahead of time a typhoon would hit the island and Ange would call in sick? Is she actually a witch?

>>723492218
Not him but I wouldn't give it higher than a 6 myself.

>>723493996
Thats a totally reasonable score. A 1 isn't

>>723493889
based. what are you fapping to?

>>723493996
That's fine, 1/10 is simply ridiculous.
I think for me it's more of a 7, it's certainly a bit flawed but it's not as if it's beyond salvaging.

>>723493992
Yes.

>>723493275
Keep on reading Natsumi's story, there is actually a rather big mystery, I know it doesn't seem like that early on.

Yogoshi is a weird but nice Halloween esque story. I still have to do miotsukishi omote tho.

>>723494124
Cuckquean smut, of course. The most patrician of fetishes.
Compersive one, where the girl gets giddy instead of sad with the whole ordeal, and then fucked.

>>723493996
If SG is a 6 Umineko and Higurashi are 4s.

>ctrl+F Rose Gun
>4 results
Today, /v/ wasn't a faggot.

>>723494357
redpill me on it

>>723494294
/thread

>>723494442
An old woman retells a story of how she lost her country

>>723494294
Battler approves

>>723494442
It's really boring. Only read it if you want to see R07's take on politics and nationalism (he hates it).

>>723494442
Alright, so imagine Japan at the height of world war 2. Rather than exiting the war due to a weapon beyond human comprehension being used against them, they instead get leveled by a totally unprecedented natural disaster.
The Russians, the Americans, and the Chinese then move in to grab large chunks of the island through 'relief efforts', while essentially turning the Japanese into foreigners in their own nation. Decades later, into the modern era, a reporter is doing an interview with an old lady who will only talk to natural-born Japanese, which are becoming very uncommon by now, who tells the story of everything that happened back then, Millennium Actress style.
The protagonist feels like Spike Spiegel, too.

>>723494789
>>723494862
Sounds based. Ryukishi is very interested in telling stories about disasters and tragedies, isn't he?

>>723493865
Nah, Kyrie's murder quest was too cartoonishly evil, it felt more like Bern fucking with Ange by coming up with the most horrible possibility for her. I don't know what the truth could be except that it has to be messy and bad enough Eva would hide it (so it can't be just an accident). I doubt it's possible to come up with an elaborate murder plan of that scale that goes off without a hitch, nor is it worth it to take that risk for the gold, if you could just split it without incident.
desu I'm not convinced that a satisfying answer to the mystery actually exists, but if it does, I don't think Umineko ever got close to it. That's why Ryukishi went
>it's a mystery!! ;)

>>723495017
RGD isn't quite so much about the disaster as the social landscape that arose in its wake. Which honestly makes for a significantly better story.

>>723494789
hating nationalism as a first worlder is the most privileged shit ever.

>>723494789
>he hates it
Is this at the very end or something?

>>723495159
I suspect his true feelings are a little more nuanced, given some of the content in his earlier works like Higurashi. He probably doesn't like the modern flavor of liberalism and is probably swinging back to neutral/mixed on nationalism.

>>723494789
>>723494862
That sounds really pro-nat though?

>>723495447
It is

>>723494789
>The undeniable main character and force of good says "We must protect our heritage, our culture and the future of Japanese children"
>he hates it

>>723495587
>The undeniable loser and force of monetary loss says "We must invest in moon tourism and a hotel on an island no one visits"
>He loves it.

>>723494862
>>723495587
holy based, save Japan

>>723495856
thats what i was thinking. this doesnt even sound pro nationalist necessarily, just pro "i dont want my culture to be eradicated by enterprising capitalists"
wish someone would give the uk the memo on this. oh well im leaving next month anyway

>>723496021
Oh, and the primary setting is a brothel for foreign men to indulge in docile and tight Japanese pussy.

>>723476858 (OP)
>Uminegro
>good

People in this thread that claim to hate him sure know a lot about his content.. curious..

>>723497746
How do you know you hate somebody without knowing what they do that makes you hate them? Whats your excuse?

>>723497746
Did you mr detective ever consider that people hate him after reading Umineko and finding out that, not only it is a big ass nothing burger that adds nothing after around chapter 5 (its been 15 years so I might be off by -1/+1 chapters), but that actually goes to shit and poisons the entire work retroactively, yet he had to milk the thing for the magic 8 chapters number?
It is the same thing as racism, you only get vehement racists when the individuals had to deal firsthand with the FUCKING NIGGERS you sheltered morons never had to suffer.

>>723497746
I hate lots of parts about it but Umineko is still my favorite piece of mystery fiction. It's what it means to be honest instead of a sycophantic fan.

>>723481126
You just have to write a man as if he has half as many IQ points.

>>723498941
Worst bait ever

>>723499757
True. They also need to be twice as entitled.

>>723476858 (OP)
its the only thing ive read by him however its really good so if nothing else after is good that sucks

>>723499757
That other anon is wrong. You can write women just fine just by remembering how you were and what you cared about when you were 12 years old.

>>723499757
Its a butchered quote from a movie you uncultured swine.

>>723500119
I cared about redheads with huge tits when I was twelve years old. Does that mean I would write a good female character?

>>723500326
Well, replace it with a tall hunk to adjust for hormones and you will be pretty close.

THE SOUNDTRACK IS SO FUCKING PEAK OML

>>723479682
>endless rambling about flags and the power level of a goat's punch
Fuck you, I loved that part.
I think a good portion of the criticism against Umineko is people taking the whole thing too seriously. You simply need to accept that the whole scenario is suspect from the start and just enjoy it for the entertainment value. It's not like that cunt Agatha Christie's Orient Express where she pretends it's an actual mystery but then just spits on the reader, on Knox's decalogue and on Van Dine's 20 rules with the gay "everyone was in on it and then they just worked together to mess with you some more, lole!!" crap.

>>723501103
this
i think you must be kinda low iq if you don't realise the magic scenes are complete bullyshit anime memes from the moment kanon takes out a powersword and teleports behind a goat in ep2, just don't take them seriously and its a joke you're in on

>>723501950
Heh...bullshit...

GIWTWM

>>723477194
surprisingly little autism in those streams considering who we are talking about. It get's reaaaally bad in episode 5 though, specially because the majority of his issues and complaints are nonsense if you actually know what's going on, but it never gets as bad as that.

>>723502438
the human condition of Furudo Erika

>>723478957
describing higurahi's ending as "dropping the ball a bit" is the understatement of the century kek

>>723503079
true but its still cringekino

>>723501103
>eirika looking unhappy
>the same eirika that pulled "umm, ackshually, murderer is defined as someone who kills therefore george could be a culprit if he killed prior to the game"
She would be love the small bomb explanation.

>>723477998
This nigger site ate my post twice so here's a concise summary
>Higurashi is mostly consistent throughout its chapters
>the last one gets a bit silly and there's too much luckshittery, but whatever, I can tolerate it
>Umineko had me paying full attention during the first half, no idea what the fuck is going on, I want to know more
>second half happens, shit's retarded, but at least Fred got her Fuchs
Do you want to know the worst part?
I read both in preparation for SotsuGou
lmao

>>723477998
In general? /v/ likes umineko more. It gets more posts, images and interactions than higu by a landslide. Higu is waaay more popular in /a/ though.

>>723503385
>I read both in preparation for SotsuGou
Ah you forgot to read Ciconia then :)

>>723503385
>SotsuGou
I obviously skipped it since I knew cuckishi07 would just take a big ass dump on the franchise, lore and characters that retroactively ruins Higu just for a meager paycheck, because it is in his nature to hack everything he touches.
Still, I am curious. So how bad it is?

>>723505878
Dumbass frog.

>>723505878
How do you feel about Satoko getting time looping powers and then proceeding to kill Rika for 100 years because she feels like she's too dumb to study at a prestigious all girls school
Because that's what you're getting, and it's only getting worse from there

>>723506038
Jesus Christ

>>723506038
It's truly incredible how Ryukishi managed to craft such a retarded narrative.
>has the resilience to kill herself hundreds of times for 100 years to keep looping and killing Rika
>won't just use that power to know the answers to the tests in advance so she doesn't have to study
Truly incredible

>>723506268
You got filtered by the most basic shit that wasn't even a flaw of the concept. It was about revenge for being lied to.

>>723506489
>you lied to me
>I will now proceed to kill and inflict immeasurable suffering on you for 100 years
Naruhodo. Inb4
>SotsuGou is good, actually
And don't even get me started on the fucking DBZ style battle at the end and Rika just going
>Ok I forgive you

>>723506691
Nah, it's shit from the execution. Satoko was just right about Rika.

>>723506489
>100 years of viciously killing a lifelong friend for some minor meaningless lie
I didn't even watch it, but I am just assuming it was a minor, insignificant, ridiculous lie, right? Of course it was, it is hackishi07 after all.

never trust sequels that come out well after the fact

>>723506938
Biggest trvke itt

>>723506938
Yeah, it is always the author running out of coke and hooker money and trying to squeeze some dosh out of the sucker hardcore fans.

>>723506815
Nah, it's actually pretty serious if you give Gou (Sotsu is pure trash) a chance. It's Rika's chickens coming home to roost for treating Satoko like a pet for 100 years, then abandoning her the moment she finds more well educated friends.

>>723479682
>endless rambling about flags and the power level of a goat's punch
Imagine getting filtered by literal parody. WTF?

>>723477998
higurashi is better overall but umineko has some REALLY great moments and better presentation most of the time somehow

My favorite scene is when Ange casts that magic that kills all those dudes in real life.

>>723507724
You mean, when she has her sniper rifle friend slay them all, then in the
>magic is fake, I am scoince womyn
ending she ignores the fact that the dude she is condemning actually saved her back then?
Yeah top shelf stuff mate have a good one. I clapped and cried and shidded myself with that one, cheers.
Man r07 is such a vindictive hack, holy shit lmao

>>723479682
goatKINO was the best part though?

>>723506993
What game was this originally from, anyway? The guy was blue-haired.

>>723508127
Ange's 1998 parts are literally "inventing a scenario in your head and getting mad about it." Canon Amakusa is a heckin wholesome ex-killer who works at Ange's orphanage.

>>723476858 (OP)
>trannyneko
>good
No, it's terrible trannyslop.

>>723507724
It was kino.

>>723508127
I choose to believe that was Ange's magic.

>>723508127
It was magic.

>>723508407
Canon Amukusa was perfectly ready to kill her if she insisted that she wanted to keep the fortune.
She didn't want to in the magic end so she got to live.

Beato sexo

>>723506268
Ok but would've Eua even let her use her powers for that
I'd think she'd just go "nope sorry, that's boring, you're a puppet with its strings cut or something lol"

>>723476858 (OP)
Umineko is pure dogshit just like 99.99% of anime.

>>723508672
That's one of those weirdly complex adult situations that some readers might not get. This unstable teen is about to control the destinies of way too many people if she doesn't sign away control and keeps going on a personal rampage that only matters to her. It's sort of like putting down a sick animal if even the kindest authority figures in her life can't reason with her. It sounds fucked to a moralfag, but I think it makes sense. She's FAR from destitute after leaving, too. They make sure she's taken care of.

>>723477998
Umineko and not even close

but I also really hated all the child characters. the siblings had me engaged start to end in both

>>723508127
Again, thats your interpretation brainlet. I took it as Ange's imagination and she actually got killed by bitch and her goons.

both Umineko and Higurashi had great questions arcs that built up a solid mystery and atmosphere with (mostly) interesting characters. Then the Answers arcs and endings were so incredibly disappointing that it left a sour taste in my mouth. Ryukishi is great at buildups but terrible at delivering payoffs.
Higurashi was worse overall and had worst ending of the two.

natsuhi is based

>>723478892
All of these are better than r07shit

>>723509698
Does it make you feel better to reply to your own posts?

>>723509130
>I disregarded the painfully obvious implications r07 felt so smug about and imagined instead some chris-chan tier mental cannon. I am so smart!
I would ridicule you but I feel you have enough problems and handicaps in life as it is. So instead I will provide support.
Great interpretation, champ! You did great! You are valid! You are so smart!

Umineko seems like it has a cool story, but the prose is so poorly written that I can never bring myself to read past the first chapter.

>>723509698
Umineko is far better than Shit Luv and Steins;Gay.

>>723510438
Doubtful. Umineko is literal crap while those other VNs objective range from 6 to 9, adjusting for personal bias.
You are just an easily beguiled NPC that ate hook line and sinker the "without love it can't be seen" meme that r07 put there when he realized he couldn't keep up with his dead ghostwriter ideas and writing skill, and felt insecure enough about it that he needed to actually write in the VN some memes for his fanboys to parrot.

>>723509952
Is this autism?

>>723511034
If you feel that is the truth, that must be it, sweetie. You are mommy's special boy, you can do no wrong!

>>723509952
filtered by not being able to view the story with love

>>723513091
See >>723510853
>he needed to actually write in the VN some memes for his fanboys to parrot.
Amazing how you NPCs fit the desciption to a t. It is like you are living caricatures instead of real people

>>723513654
I seriously hope you are samefagging, because if you are a different anon unironically defending this guy >>723511358
>>723509952
you've got some serious problems.

OP here, didn't expect this thread to last from waking up until coming home from work, I love you WTC anons

>>723476858 (OP)

She is older Sayo Yasuda isn't she?

>>723513654
You're the special freethinker of the world, the matrix was built to trap you and we're all NPCs. Now that you've solved this I've been coded to tell you can free yourself from this false hell by jumping off a skyscraper.

>>723514398
Featherine is immortal. "Ikuko" was in her 20s when she found Battler. Her "family" got rid of her by giving her a mansion in the middle of nowhere to write after she caused trouble for them.

>>723476858 (OP)
i had a hot manager at my old job named beatrice and whenever she texted me to get back to work i felt like beato was scolding me

>>723510438
r07shit, ML, and S;G are all bad in their respective genres. Funny this post got an S;Gbot up their ass.

ok but Amakusa really sniped those guys though
You even hear the gunshots
He even snipes Ange offscreen(she dies that year in the credits),he gave her a gun so they could frame it as a gunfight killing all of them

>>723515236

she also bribes the doctor so that no one knows Battler is alive so she can hide him in her house.

>>723516441
>Spoiler
Thats why my headcanon is that Kyrie sister just shot her, but I'm Chrischan I guess.

>>723516903
Ikuko was an incredibly shady person who only starts to make sense if you just accept that she is literally Featherine playing a character in the world like it's an MMO.

>>723476858 (OP)

Favorite songs from Higurashi and Umineko?

I'll start:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wvn7gr2uxGw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QTAcJ0ZcUkI

Yes, I cry a lot during the scenes where these play. I'm a sucker for the piano.

>Umineko
>good
Nah. A work with multiple "endings" having no good ending is shit.
When playing Higurashi the best thing about the ending was seeing everything working out well after all the dozens of hours of watching the characters you love getting killed and suffering.
There's no Umineko kakera where the family lives and Battler goes back to Ange. So it's shit

>>723517138

it's like she is a female version of Kinzo

>>723516441
>She dies that year in the credits
At that point you might as well go with the died/suffered serious brain trauma when she jumped off the roof theory. With everything after that being merely her final thoughts/coma dreams before they pull the plug
After a certain point of unreliable narration, the entire thing is just up to whatever the reader decides. Hell, that's the entire reason we get the choice. I liked Umineko, but I do not consider it a "real" mystery and I don't think it's necessary to treat it as such to enjoy it.

>>723517206
funny name
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GhKrTag5Rbc

>>723517320
Lol, there really is a case for Sayo-Ikuko, but it breaks down under too much scrutiny. Unless you have Sayo murder the real Ikuko and replace her.

>>723517206
There is no competition for me.
https://youtu.be/jdY1t1utvrI?si=6wBr936ri08E4Lyo

>>723517786
(You)
https://youtu.be/s7hkYNovNek?si=finMHkuU8bZPELpy
https://youtu.be/idniooAvNfw?si=GxNHB2tgdDJUfAhm
https://youtu.be/cXC6rasajmo?si=rVWXtabgbK2WwJb9
https://youtu.be/1NABSgiM4IM?si=Y1eeqc6rgNRZofXa

>>723517316
For me, that rather elevated the work. Ryukishi famously received significant backlash for a perceived sappiness during the ending of Higurashi (among other complaints). So I find that it makes Umineko far more interesting by proxy. The entire story could be interpreted as an extending rebuttal from him, or perhaps a "You don't want what you think you want, and this is what happens when you want a story that has no satisfying ending".

>>723517206
Umineko: Far

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r5lgB0ozeQE&list=RDr5lgB0ozeQE&start_radio=1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OpMOfYIAo5s&list=PLRLxFNxaVXkhoTQN_QjJCQxPfwr-fbcvR&index=4

Two lesser known versions. The second is pretty much an Okami "everyone unites to help you" final boss moment arrangement.

>>723516441
It was magic, anon. Also, Ange recovers from her grief, moves on, finds a nice husband, has some kids and dies happy.

>>723517941
Something that really has to be mentioned more with both novels is just how good the sound design is. Not just the music, that everyone praises. But also how the core ambience plays so well into the progression of the story. Listen to how much the higurashi ambience adds to the vocal version of you. It's genuinely amazing to me that the higurashi mean something completely different NOT JUST based on which character perspective a scene is, NOT JUST on what song is playing over it, but also where you are during the story. It sounds terrifying and ominous at the start, then it becomes like a war chant, then a sort of white noise, and then finally it slowly shifts to becoming more and more hopeful. It's so fucking good!

>>723517786
>>723517941
so many (you)s...

>>723517206
Not the best song in the soundtrack, but this playing after one of Battler's best come backs in the VN was great.
https://youtu.be/dyNVz60qYQk?si=cQmGPtYa5agWMJFF

>>723518334
we need to make a tierlist of top battler comebacks
/ourprotag/ never stays down for long

>>723517206
https://youtu.be/bIBoVGwBVRM?si=qB68ipu7psOdbWrk

>>723518506
Sure, he never stays down... except for that one time where he and his girlfriend were skinnydipping, and they went "too deep".
They say that he returned, single, and a TOTALLY changed man at that!

>>723518774
That made me laugh, then I processed the full joke and felt sad.
Take your (You) and be off.

>>723517206
Never watched the anime, but this ED is genuinely one of my favorite anisongs of all time, it really is the perfect song for Rika.
https://youtu.be/5ptnDFsmSGk?si=YvxGp2BXHsbu_RCL

Reread the first episode of Umineko recently and god fucking damn this track still moved me.
https://youtu.be/EWDpCAt2LGI?si=6bjXQarGpw1VO5Ia

>>723518774
what the fuck are you tlking about bro

>>723519035
>that song playing during the episode credits
I'll never forget the feeling that gave me. What an amazing and complex rush of emotions.

>>723519007
Hey, don't jump to conclusions. He was just trying to take a load off your chest. Make you feel like you're walking on air.

>>723498207
>It is the same thing as racism, you only get vehement racists when the individuals had to deal firsthand with the FUCKING NIGGERS you sheltered morons never had to suffer.
I've dealt with some white trash that actively betrayed and harassed me for no reason but never became racist.
I don't sympathize with cowards that excuse their moral failings like that.

>>723518774
>>723519397
lol i missed this part of the community glad to see it still survives after all the stupid fucking drama
so glad that canadian streamer isnt touching higurashi

>>723518198
There's a reason they're called "sound novels", anon.

Serious question anons. Do you think it's possible for someone to solve Umineko EP1 by the end of EP1? Not the whole story or motives, just the murders and culprits. I feel like it must be possible with deduction?

>>723518198
at the end of the first my dumbass thought that all of rokkenjima took place inside a magic letter-in-a-bottle (as in, all the characters were LITERALLY trapped inside the bottle lol) and it was some kind of time loop
so my guess as to why maria made that uu uu noise was because she was more magically tuned than anyone else and she was hearing the words of the seagulls high in the sky bouncing off the sides of the bottle like a huge echo
im not bullshitting, i know it sounds absurd, but when you have so little info to go off you make entire scenarios out of nothing
so yeh i am fond of the seagulls myself

>>723519970
Guessing that Shannon and Kanon are the same person with just E1 is like guessing the floor did it in any other mystery. It has no sufficient evidence other than someone saying "I just know."

>>723518774
meds. now.

>>723519970
No, I think it's written to be impossible. The first twilight could have been anyone, and there's no way to deny that any multiple of people faked their death and commited the later murders. You can guess correctly, of course.

>>723519970

Provably? No, there aren't enough clues to prove anything. But it is possible to "solve" WITH the presented evidence, which is an important distinction.

It's absolutely possible due to several factors:

A) The locked garden shed and the surrounding circumstances
B) Kanon's "death" and the surrounding circumstances
C) Understanding the crest servants answer directly to the "family head"
D) The "impossible" Eva and Hideyoshi room

This combination demonstrates clearly who the culprits are without any room for doubt. In particular, the situation with the closed room is what ties everything together. There's only a single way that room could possibly be "solved" when you look at the first twilight.

>>723521040
Ok but has anyone actually done that though

>>723521248

I mean, probably not? Umineko is hard to grasp at times even with full story context. However there are some really smart people out there so statistically at least a dozen people must have done it.

>>723479330
>no I'm not posting shit
Without love it cannot be seen. I love your tits so much that I can see them in my heart. This is my golden truth femanon

>>723521386
A dozen Jessicatrice geniuses.

>>723521040
There's also the tea party which features only characters still alive at the last twilight (although not by rules of the red truth). It would be possible to infer that Kanon and Shannon faked their deaths. I doubt anyone is making that connection at that point, however.

What the fuck? No Joseph Andersonposting? Lame ass thread. I'm out

>>723521248
Kanon culprit theory is both correct and fairly popular for ep 1 first readers. Getting Shkanontrice from ep 1 is impossible, since the solution does not require it.

>>723477998
higurashi very handily, umineko ironically has no love. it's such a vindictive and mean spirited work of fiction. i wish r07 still felt positively about higurashi

Jessie~

ASS

>>723480298
(real) women are just more common in VN communities in general, because reading is something women usually enjoy more than men. If you take part in any fan-fiction community you're bound to run into a bunch of actual women.

I'd be fine with more Gou style animation if we got to see Erika. That's all I want. When Gou aired I got excited at the thought some bullshit would tie Hinamizawa to Rokkenjima and we'd get to see Erika.

>>723521846
We don't want that here, this is a pure and wholesome When They Cry thread, untainted by ironic fans and their poison

>>723480298
It really isn't that complicated. Higurashi has a nearly all female core cast. Umineko is more balanced but appeals to female interests and themes. It's not like there aren't male fans either who are there for other things (or the same things, who knows). Both novels are remarkably balanced in their appeal. I definitely feel like the modern Higurashi community has more female fans but that's just a guess, I could be wrong.

bump

>>723521040
I don't know it seems like you're using the conclusion to stretch sketchy scenes to fit the end results.
>shed
While they state that the culprit would have to know the servant room well to pick out the key to the shed, they don't make it impossible to rule out anyone else.
>kanon's death
At the time there's enough fake clues to make it seem possible that someone really did kill him and then run out the other door. If you assume he faked his death, then you have to answer why Nanjo is in on it when he's not a servant and he got killed later on.
>servants answer to the head
Unless you're already assuming Kinzo was dead beforehand there's no reason to think that this is referring to anyone other than Kinzo. Regardless, Kanon does not have the crest tattooed on him like Shannon.
>eva and hideyoshi room
Even with the knowledge that the chain was never set and that whole scene was made up, Kanon's not the only one without an allibi. It's possible for Genji, Kumasawa, or Nanjo to have killed them.

>>723476858 (OP)
Ciconia is god-tier but you have to read the damn VN 6-7 times in order to actually understand the story.

Good parts of higanbana > higurashi > good parts of umineko > rgd > ciconia > the rest of umineko > the rest of higanbana > iwaihime

>>723522335
I want Tatsuya Oishi main director for Bakemonogatari and Kizumonogatari to adapt at the very least a SINGLE scene from Umineko.

Holy shit I fucking forgot Akio Watanabe did the character designs for the Monogatari anime too

>>723523443
Is this nigger actually the main antagonist of the story?

>>723489851
>S;G was my first 1/10
Holy based

>>723517206
Higurashi:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7CLltCSDnY0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8_YBSIbXR0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQjwwjSUpZE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MwXacn8HyIs

Umineko:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y_ylNrVEvzY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dORf0tLaSn8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zc2mvEE5hQA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tmGtaw8gMpA

Ciconia:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNr6Q0UlwiU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82lLofZSL60
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jks22iY48bc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G58Ud_YG4Gw

>>723523723
That's Ryukishi himself's self insert. The whole issue just got too awkward, so the series was canceled.

>>723480016
Vtubers are paid to pretend to like things so you give them money. You are gullible.

>>723476858 (OP)
Umineko is overrated dogshit and ryukishi is a woke sjw hack
Fate nasu won

>>723523723
His life fucking sucks and he hates the world, his Mom and ESPECIALLY fake Miyao so yeah probably. Obviously he sides with Aurora.

>>723524007
>He

Did Ryukishi ever mention where his interest in gender came from?

>>723477998
Higurashi. Umineko is needlessly convoluted and fart huffing. the editor should of trimmed out most of the repeating dialog.

>>723524189
He was tragically molested in the humid Japanese summer of 1982.

>>723523723
It depends on what you think a main antagonist is. Definitely a central focus antagonist but we dont actually know if Meow is the "main" antagonist.

>>723524125
Miyao is a boy. Meow and MIYAO are the same entity in Ciconia and is the original Miyao. He chooses a male angel avatar in the VN thus he is a boy.

>>723524189
He's a leftist. It comes naturally to them.

>>723524319
It is an actual plot point that Miyao's biological gender is unknown and can't be revealed due to AOU's laws

>>723524586
Sure but reading into a characters actions also gives it away regardless.
In the VN, we know that protag Miyao is a kill program created by the mother to stop the factory scenario from happening. He is a fake personality that was forced into their baby.
The original personality, Meow / MIYAO chose to use a male angel avatar because they "felt more comfortable in it". Therefore we can conclude that Miyao is likely a boy.

>>723476858 (OP)
That was Higurashi asshole

>>723524874
How do you know that Meow and MIYAO are the same person?

>>723501950
Man.. I thought the gimmick of the story was going to be that magic IS real, but Battler would manage to sophistry his way out of it somehow due to Beatrice not being allowed to do something that would explicitly and undeniably proves to Battler that magic was involved in the murders.
Slightly disappointed that that isnt what happened desu.

>>723477998
I’d have to put umineko even though it’s pretty awful but still better than higurashi whose cast I vehemently hated with the exception of keiichi. It was so incredibly infantile both in the SOL and the attempts at whiplash horror, along with a retarded kodomo “message” i seriously question anyone even suggesting it to be worthy of discussion. Umineko at least attempts to be something more of substance(even though it fails spectacularly while falling into tranny solipsism). Both vns peaked in their respectively first episodes.

>>723524985
Magic actually DOES exist in the Umineko universe.

>>723524932
There are a few tells.
Angel Jaden at the end of the VN says something along the lines of "Didn't I tell you I'd follow you anywhere, Miyao?"
This is noteworthy because he never said this to Miyao, he said it to Meow.
Meow also sets up the Christmas party to gaslight Miyao into accepting their digital afterlife by getting Jayden to do it for her, telling him not to let Miyao know it was her.
Read the VN again and you'll pick up on it. Meow got to see all of the bullshit first-hand. Body was hijacked by a weapon, was forced to watch as that weapon would slaughter her friends and Jayden, then after all of that, the weapon denies her the digital afterlife because it wants to cling to humanity. This is the central conflict between MIYAO and Miyao.
Using "her" here to help differentiate the Miyaos.

>>723476858 (OP)
Yes, before he fucked Higurashi even harder with time loop bullshit

>>723525336
Are you Rikafag? He's the only person who actually cares about Ciconia's story.

>>723524882

higurashi story is dumb

>it's all caused by a parasite bro

>>723525336
Aren't MIYAO and Meow's goals different? Meow is accepting "heaven" while MIYAO sees it as a hell that needs to be destroyed. Miyao is just caught in the middle.

>>723525336
This just sounds like Umineko again. Reality vs Cope, only the one coping here is Miyao.

>>723525503
Hey, it's a magic parasite that looks like an anime girl and goes AUAUAUAU! when you eat spicy food.

>>723525614
Jestress sees it as a hell, not MIYAO. MIYAO calls the war they're going through "hell".

>>723525707
>it was le parasites(actually magical god deity with time looping powers)
>they were all lying(or alternatively magical cope dreamland)
never ask ryukishi to write another “mystery” ever again

>>723525892
Wait until Haworthia is made Canon and those alien parasites turn out to just be a result of Haworthia's endless seething.

>>723525826
Okay storkfag. Explain this stories logic error.

>>723526493
Jestress thinks she can change the future because she's unaware that her "looping" is just her retaining her memories from each loop of the simulation, not time actually rewinding. She will fail each time she tries to change the future because that future has already happened.

>>723526817
So she will always fail with absolute certainty.

Battler is so cool

>>723517941
>You (~Outbreak~ ED)
it's the first time i listen to this and HOLY FUCCCCCCCCCCCK

>>723489345
It happens in every vn thread. People here just love to hate s;g

>>723527396
Ange...

>>723525298
It exists irl too
Only a magician could have made a dish as tasty as a mackerel sabara

>>723508210
nukitashi 2

i'm mad at fiction because it has fictional elements
r07 is a hack

I refuse to explain.

>>723527396
t. yasu

>>723477139
I want to have sex with Rosa while Maria cries in the corner

>>723527802
he isn’t a hack, that implies he was once good at one point

>>723493062
holy fucking kek this webm.
the james horny interpretation is objectively wrong, but hilarious webm nonetheless

>>723478959
This guys advertises this wall of half-westoid dogshit everytime there's a VN thread of someone he doesn't like. He probably banged his head on the wall when hundred line didn't bomb

Battler choking on the red truth is such a bizarre scene. Why can't he use red before that moment? Why dies Beatrice concede that when she has already won?

>>723528174
Winning wasn't the point.

>>723478623
Kud is a good name.

>>723528174
Red truth was the privilege of the gamemaster Beato, she let him use it briefly.
>Why dies Beatrice concede that when she has already won?
She doesn't care about winning at all, in Ep 4 she lets him win using completely wrong theories.

The bizarre part is that the big twist about Battler's mother goes nowhere and had no real reason to happen.

>>723528174
He says himself, "wait I can do that?!!"

>>723528174
speed reader.....

>>723528416
It's important because it contributes to the rokkenjima incident

just stopping in to say I will NEVER forgive Ryukishi.

>>723528576
>ange was on the island theory
Proven fake
Also Kyrie is nuts
Do you think it would have made a difference

Why is it that Ryukishi seems so embarrassed of his early works anyway? They brought him fame and are still very popular.

What percentage of chapter 4 do you think is Yasu breaking character rather that the cackling witch? I don't think its pulled off as well as Kohaku sightings in a certain someone's route.

>>723528174
>Battler is incompetent.

>>723476858 (OP)
>gets castrated
>its in a lame way and not some sexually charged symbolic way

>>723517206

Tsuki ha Noboru, Watashi ha Utau
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xgud-HRC9R4&list=RDXgud-HRC9R4&start_radio=1

You
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-raVWfwztas&list=RD-raVWfwztas&start_radio=1

>>723529156
or spayed.

>>723529180
I am tired of media not having crossdressing or troon characters not being castrated in some overtly sexual way, it's always some ugly dude or some buff guy and same goes for women yeah i know terrifier has the one scene with the blonde chick but that was also lame

>>723529356
Most people don't like ero guro.

>>723528778
The weird thing that people in the west need to learn is that Japanese people see foreigners viewing their work sort of like being raped. Not foreigners insulting them on twitter or to their face. Japanese people are so autistic that dirty gaijins simply LOOKING at their work is violation. Running forward to the relative point, Ryukishi wants to pretend the works that foreigners enjoyed don't exist, or were always terrible mistakes. This isn't a personal problem for him, but a cultural one that can be witnessed across all of Japan.

>>723517206
Bangers only
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YGLSZ2Lm588
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9uy6rfyZwnU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hg9XPcPKYAQ

>>723517206
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-JBKyLZd6GA
I love the strings at the start

thank goodness witches aren't real

>>723530540
If witches aren't real, then how did they do 9/11?

>>723530540
look up Carthage

If only Uminegro's writing was half as good as its music

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDPJuAxZaOo

uminegro lost

beato buttcheeks

>>723531625
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8UJRCwLKspA
I agree.

>>723529452
Well usually im speaking about horror movies

>>723531625
Imagine how many good games could've had kino music instead of 9000 hours of it all getting dumped into Umineko. Like a lightningrod made of shit.

what did the uminegro composers make after anyway? that's a far better question than caring what r07 is doing

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_2Sso-JoO4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sas87qoYcfE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mkMDmaghbkA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MNl4PNFubvQ

>>723532280
>what did the uminegro composers make after anyway?
I envy you for not having heard any of it yet.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Td4LPufa620

So if I understand this correctly, all the magic scenes which is the majority of Umineko, are bunk that didn't actually happen, and are basically just flavor text and padding to confuse people?

>>723517206
My favorite underrated tracks
https://youtu.be/zc2mvEE5hQA?si=SDnOftnMuyWsQumh
https://youtu.be/Jv7f2vPCSwI?si=8doMX6IeaaAnnCe-
https://youtu.be/wlZddhshK0U?si=k-qnbajWHZmwL8L5
https://youtu.be/zVSOu2Tjshg?si=iFA2mQ1hzW1Z0nbp
https://youtu.be/AV0OnZtHHz4?si=i24KXbTFyUtPJ8ZX
https://youtu.be/3aDk-Kxen9E?si=JDPWk5KzOq3bbZID
https://youtu.be/SEw0PPcNdHY?si=1rwvbrLfDLPozowz
https://youtu.be/tKUSi2apj1k?si=oiO4paW0ROIgWwI8
https://youtu.be/p6xbvsPVv1E?si=tH6FByu5tBpLtc6R

>>723533349
ryukishi is a known sophist, at least to the japanese who quickly caught on to his sophistry early one and denounced umineko. Westerners are the only one who constantly falls for(and even praising) his cheap moralizing and sleight-of-hand.

>>723533349
Only the gameboard magic scenes are bullshit, all the meta stuff is real.
And even then some magic scenes are a twisted interpretation of what happened, like EVA Beatrice and the Chiester sisters just representing her shooting people.

But yes, a good chunk are pure bullshit.

When is ciconia finishing? I'm tired of being in limbo...

>>723533349
Only if you're a goat.

>>723533776
Shits canceled. Ryukishi is no longer trapped in the VN mines.

>>723533349
unironically this meme video is genuinely the quickest way to showcase how Umineko "works" on many levels
https://youtu.be/ddJHCUmIC8M?si=Dz3eF1mOY6K3lvAc
I'm honestly impressed how they condensed everything into a very accurate representation of the VN.
The last sequence of the video with the red truth is an actually solvable puzzle and accurately demonstrates how Beatrice twists her words.

The solution in the meme video is :
There's an episode of the Simpsons where Skinner is revealed to not be the true Seymour Skinner, his real name is Armin Tamzarian and he assumed the identity of Seymour Skinner, later. So the red truth in the video is valid. She's not his mother, She's the mother real Seymour Skinner.

>>723534215
I was just about to link this kek.

>>723532085

isn't a lot of Umineko music just royalty free music?

>>723534613
That's the early chapters of higurashi.

I find it funny that all the autists reading Umineko when it was releasing couldn't solve the epitaph and mysteries.

Now that all the answers are released from the manga and such, westerners picking it up swear they solve almost everything "no spoilers"

>>723534613
No, you're thinking of Higurashi and Ciconia. The most iconic Ciconia track is creative commons.

>>723534867
It can't actually be "solved" until the solution is given. You can come up with a theory that happens to be correct, but there are several potentially correct theories until the author picks one. Which probably happened after the fact anyway, it's not like r07 actually planned this shit ahead of time. He just wrote whatever he thought was cool at the moment, hence the random long tangents into irrelevant shit. You can't read ep1 and have any inkling of what really happened, because the author didn't know yet either.
so you're correct that people "solving" it are just larping but it's hardly their fault, it's not really a mystery that has a solution until the writer pulls one out of their hat

>>723535079
>It can't actually be "solved" until the solution is given
Yep, that's what I assume anyone who claims to have "solved" Umineko did. They either cheated or they had like 15 theories and one happened to be somewhat similar to the "truth" but they had no idea which. I'm more laughing at the rabid Umineko fans who swear it's an actual solvable mystery, they totally knew that they were all just in on it actually.

>>723527621
The hate is deserved honestly. It's a mid vn with bad fans.

I thought it was Kanon that did it when I first played. I have no idea how the fuck you could possibly make the logical leap that two characters are actually one person based on what they tell you in chapter 1.

>>723536457
that's not even the worse of it
the official explanation for one of the murders includes the troon offing his alternate personalities at convenient times to make it seem like no one alive can have done the murder

>>723536457
It isn't a murder mystery because ryukishi is too incompetent to write a good one.

>>723534867
>>723536457

it's not meant to be solved, these episodes are released over years. If it can be solved immediately after the first episode, how does Ryikishi get you too keep buying more episodes.

funny how umineko's only detractors are complete retards

>>723536805
I want erika's feet on my face

>>723536805
> local man mouth is hermetically sealed to his favorite vn writers cock.