Thread 723494121

Was gaming really, GENUINELY, better in the 90s/00s?

ritual thread
op is a fag

No it was largely the same as now. A lot of really shit games came out with a few good ones here and there, but the caveat was that there's no fucking way to know if they were shit without buying or renting them. The 2d ->3d era was cool but a lot of first 3d gen era games were nothing but really shitty tech demos. Creativity was a bit higher for industry games that's just shifted into being the indie space now. Convenience of modern gaming is better than everything you had to buy/ do in that time as well.

>>723494121 (OP)
The thing that this Twitter user is whining about is exactly what creeps me out so much about the soijak party.

it was but only because no one used wiki and we actually tried to figure out games ourselves
nowadays "it takes too much time" so everyone just speedruns a game by stealing strats and moves onto another

the games were technically simpler but just as ambitious which lead to creative programming and game design. the people who made the games often played them for fun.
we lost a lot of magic when middleware engines were developed that allowed companies to pursue trends more easily by streamlining the hardest part of gamedev. since less skillful people were hired they also had less gaming skill and less desire to actually play the software they created. that has lead to games that are very impressive on paper or in reviews but mechanically garbage.

>>723494456
what do you mean?

>>723494121 (OP)
>Was gaming really, GENUINELY, better in the 90s/00s?
Not so much in a lot of ways. However the lack of microtransactions, designing for phones, games coming out max 2 or 3 years after the last game, more coop games due to less internet..
Some of it was definitely better, just not all of it.
I get why zoomies kind of feel that way, but the downsides are just not as obvious.

>>723494331
>No it was largely the same as now.
lol. lmao even. Stop larping.

>>723494121 (OP)
Yeah it was. Multiplayer games weren't designed as slot machines, """"DLC"""s we're actual worthwhile addons for games. Overwhelming majority of games released in a working state, full conversion mods and modscenes in general we're huge and supported by devs, there was a huge AA space with shit tons of risk taking games, T E C H N O L O G Y was being pushed in every direction, games that copied other games got the "clone" stamp instead of the "-like" stamp and we're scoffed unless they had exceptional quality. Creativity and uniqueness was the main pursuit. Multiplayer was designed around player skill and had high skill ceilings instead of creating artificially low skill ceilings to keep engagement up.
Sure we had our share of bad games but some years, like 1998 dropped classic after classic. We still have good games now but it's swimming in an ocean of shit while I feel it used to be the other way around. AA development kinda died off and everything went to shit.

t. 39

>>723494121 (OP)
post what she looks like now

>>723494121 (OP)
lmao zoomers know they got robbed.
it will never be this peak again.

>>723497618
Pretty sure that picture wasn't actually taken in the 90s

>>723496392
Largely agree, but I feel like AA is coming back strong.

>>723498774
Obviously not. That style of denim predates the N64 by like half a decade and no-one would put a DiCaprio poster next to a Pulp Fiction one. The overall vibe is there though.

>>723495753
I mean that shartyteens purporting to do what they do with the aim of “keeping the spirit of 2000s /b/ alive” (their own words) makes my fucking skin crawl and makes me sad for them.
It’s uncanny seeing a historical reenactment community obsessed with my childhood come into being and very annoying to see them get it completely wrong as well.

>>723494121 (OP)
as if every millennial didn't have 80s nostalgia despite being in liquid form back then

>>723494121 (OP)
Yes, games were far less stagnant with far less shitty practices

>>723499361
Lmao no, that's just some post-hoc rationalization by some retard.

They just find a particular style of humor very funny.
And they are right in that. Basedjaks are downright hilarious.

>>723494331
this is bait

>>723494121 (OP)
Console gaming peaked at gen 6.

Not weird at all.
Ever since mass media every generation has had a sense of nostalgia for the previous generation's childhoods, and for a pretty obvious reason: they grow up watching media made for the previous gen. Like how "90s kid" millennials were obsessed with the 80s.

>>723499092
Maybe but it seems to powered by stutter engine 5 which makes a lot of those games look and play samey.

>>723498774
The dead giveaway is the Arctic Monkeys poster behind her shoulder, that album didn't come out until 2013.

>>723494121 (OP)
>Was gaming really, GENUINELY, better in the 90s/00s?
The late 90s and the 2000s were the period in history with the lowest suicide rates by far. Tells you all you need to know.

>>723494121 (OP)
only if you were underage back then

Does any zoomer here remember when Skyrim sex mods would be plastered all over youtube recommendations due to YTs algorithm favoring view counts over watch history at the time? I still remember when teacher's would put up some educational video on youtube just for you to see like 20 videos of skyrim sex mods in the side bar. Shit was kind of funny back then.

>>723501126
Uhhh? Nigga how fucking old is that girl?

I'm Gen Z and I had CRT TVs and 5th gen consoles
YOU ARE NOT UNIQUE

Girls hated video games and, believe it or not, I didn't know a single girl who was into Pokemon during the height of late 90's/early00's "pokemania"

Zoomers got it way better. You could actually talk to girls who played some video games. For us Millennials, they were like "LMAO VIDEO GAMES ARE FOR NERDS"

>>723494121 (OP)
in this picture, that girl is likely somebody's cousin during a Thanksgiving family get-together who was forced to play video games because there was nothing else to do. That's why the camera was out, some mom/grandma/aunt was taking pictures throughout the occasion.

>>723501126
If that is actually from the olden days, holy shit that PC would be like the holy grail. Top tier cable management as well.

>>723494121 (OP)
>90s
Yes
>00s
Yes and no, 9/11 was the slow start to politics being shoved in games by libshits.

>>723500118
To each their own, I guess. They don’t really do anything for me.
I’ve got to say that when I hung out there for a week while this place was down, most of the users there were that specific flavor of retard.

>>723494121 (OP)
The pros:
>game was finished broken or not
>no dlc until the dreamcast era
>couch co-operation the norm
>no pay to play online
>innovative and creative devs

The cons:
> If a game sucked ass they couldn't pull a "no man's sky" bullshit move and keep updating it to not be as dog shit.
>regional only games because those wacky gooks at Sega thought they knew best.
>games like street fighter 2 making a dozen versions of the same damn game because dlc didn't exist.

>>723501501
"Girls' who "play" video games are not going to be interested in dorks.

>>723504258
Girls' are not interested in dorks
Unless they're top 1%

>>723494121 (OP)
Yes, in most fields.

I know we all complain about internet connectivity and games requiring patches. On the flipside if game was came out extremely buggy and in a unplayable state it was often never fixed post launch, never patched or revised with a disk reprint. Granted QA standards were exponentially higher back than so it wasn't a common occurrence for major titles. All consoles were region locked. You had to either, mod your console software or hardware mod to unlock games outside your region. You could get foreign console but you had to often buy a power adapter, that is potential fire hazard. If you published an Adult Only game the majority of retailers refused carry the product. That means you were stuck playing M rated games that skirted the line.

>>723499271
The photo was taken in 2017

>>723494548
You mean tear open the seal on strategy guides at walmart and read up on it in the changing room right?

>>723494121 (OP)
Yes extremely better now you can't even say nigger faggot to people online without nigger faggot troons having a melty and reporting you and the jew companies waving their (((ToS))) and banning you for freedom of speech.

>>723494331
The internet existed in 1995 and if you weren't a retard you could easily find game forums where people no doubt reviewed games for every platform. There were also gaming magazines that reviewed every game and weren't afraid to give lower ratings since they made money by subscriptions and weren't paid directly by big developers like they are now.

>>723494331
> no fucking way to know if they were shit without buying or renting them
Third worlder who didn’t have dialup? Just log into the BBS or check Usenet bro. Avoid the Kirk vs Picard thread and they’ll give you the scoop on games and even a warez to unlock the shareware edition. If you don’t watch out Uncle Eddie on the forums will phone phreak ya.

It was an exciting time of constant innovation and improvement. We've been coasting for the last 15 years by comparison.

Games were significantly better.

>>723508972
>>723509158
I didn't have unsupervised internet access until my mom died in the 2000s so fuck me I guess I did my childhood wrong

>>723494121 (OP)
No. Gaming is always getting better because your backlog increases. You can always go back and play the great games from the 90's and 00's, nothing is stopping you

>>723494121 (OP)
>Back when I got started, which sounds like ancient history, back then the demographics of people who were into computer games, was totally different, in my opinion, then they are today. Back then, computers were more expensive, which made them more exclusive to people who were maybe at a certain income level, or education level. So the people that played computer games 15 years ago were that type of person. They probably didn't watch television as much, and the instant gratification era hadn't quite grown the way it has lately. I think in the last 5 or 6 years, the demographics have really changed, now this is my opinion, because computers are less expensive so more people can afford them. More "average" people now feel they should own one.
Quote from Roberta Williams near the end of 1999.

A quote that made Erik Wolpaw seethe his brains out I might add.

>>723494121 (OP)
Yes, mostly because corpos kept to themselves for the most part

>>723509494
>you can play games from a better time, which you could always play back then, therefore now is better
???

>>723508972
>gaming magazines
Fuck I remember those. They even published fanart in them. My first fap ever was to some character with her nipples perked in a shirt. Those were good ass times

>>723510814
There are new games that are as good if not better than older games. You have options in the present that were not available in the past.

It was better without the internet infecting our lives

>>723494121 (OP)
Yes, the right hadn't destroyed the country yet

>>723494331
Shit bait

>>723511687
More shit bait

>>723494121 (OP)
yes
men were way more normal instead of a huge mass of millions of sex starved 30 year old men angry at le society
the internet was so much better in the 90s and the 00s holy shit people actually had manners and real life experience instead of terminally online teenagers posting about BBC
hell even /gif/ at one point wasn't just a hellscape of third worlders arguing over the colors of penis and trannies
everything has really gone to shit online since normies got on it

>>723494121 (OP)
pretty sure this pic is modern

>>723494121 (OP)
no

>>723494121 (OP)
>Was gaming really, GENUINELY, better in the 90s/00s?
the psx/n64 era was kind of shit but the 00s was peak. the best games to play, even now, are from there

>>723494121 (OP)
>Was gaming really, GENUINELY, better in the 90s/00s?
Gameplay was worse but the "spirit" of gaming was better. Games weren't these massive undertakings with $200,000,000 budgets and 7 year development cycles. The only drawback was that the value was objectively worse back then. N64 games ranged from $50-80 depending on the game (not even adjusted for inflation), and a lot of games did not justify that cost. You generally had a rotation of 2-3 games that you played the fuck out of daily. Gameplay itself was often dogshit but that didn't matter when you were single digit years old.

>>723511687
You're both destroying the country and it would be better if both of your extremist asses were lined up at the wall, Christianity needs to be banned here. Also, Satanism is just Christianity, doesn't matter how you change the name, it's the fucking same shit with the same fucking talking points.

>>723512284
gameplay was better bro

>>723511687
The decades that directly followed the 1980s? Lol

>>723512403
video games, being our recreation, is a reflection of our society's health

>>723512430
The best gameplay of 95-00 is a 7/10 on today's scale. Shooters were slower and sluggish. Console gameplay was especially simplistic but even PC games were basic and slow compared to today

>>723494121 (OP)
Early 90s? You had some very good games but a lot of bullcrap
late 90s? Early 2000s? Yes and there's nothing crazy about enjoying this particular era of games the most.
late 2000s? Ehhh, it doesn't suck as much as modern games do but it's not quite as hot anymore, the interesting stuff gets more spotty again.

Matrix was right about 1999 and video games serve as a good example case.

>>723494121 (OP)
yes it was
why because there were no game patches or updates which means game devs had to actually debug and polish shit to the point where game released in a finished state
you don't see that anymore

>>723494121 (OP)
Considering zoomers weren't the target audience, yes, it was better

>>723512624
the fighting games, puzzle games, and shmups of that era were peak gameplay. the only type of game where gameplay improved over time (albeit marginally) was rhythm games. fps didnt really exist yet until gen 7 because the tech wasnt there

>>723512947
>puzzle games were better
picrel + stephen's sausage roll + opus magnum + factorio mog everything from that era

1998 to 2006 is the current peak of the medium in my eyes as far as consistently good releases go.

>>723513035
>movie game trash
yeah no pokemon puzzle league was a thousand times better than that garbage from a gameplay perspective

>>723494121 (OP)

i dont want to go back to that era
the reason Ocarina of Time was praised was because games weren't very good and the better ones shined brightly.
the nice thing was getting to see graphics advance from Sega Genesis and Gameboy graphics to Cyberpunk.
Stories in games have also gotten a lot better and the biggest change happened at the end of the xbox360/ps3 era.
That era also helped standardize controls so that every game wasnt some unique mix of controls.
Playing Golden Eye on the N64, then gta3, then metroid prime, then halo ce, and Cod3. we are in a much better place.

>>723513130
>calls a bunch of puzzle games movie games
zoomer brainrot gtfo. the witness is a pure puzzler, if you're so retarded that you actually took /v/'s word for it instead of actually playing it then I can't help you

>>723494121 (OP)
Kind of, but also not really.
Not having dlc was great.
But there was definitely slop and it felt awful to rent a shit game from blockbuster.

>>723494121 (OP)
Not really but people were kids back then and are even now far more willing to give everything from that era a chance whereas anons look at anything modern just trying to find a buzzword they can use to dismiss it with. I'm certain lots of old games that people on here are generally positive about would be getting absolutely shit on by /v/ if they released today and I think anybody who disagrees is outright delusional about the state of this board.

>>723513203
>the reason Ocarina of Time was praised was because games weren't very good and the better ones shined brightly.
it was a tlou style walking sim that even dimwitted journalists could get through. the arcades were poppin at this time but journos were bad and got filtered
>>723513282
never heard of it until now. gameplay looks ass compared to puyo puyo or any arcade puzzle game

>>723494121 (OP)
Yes, it was objectively better, because we had optimism and hope back then, since everything was constantly evolving and moving forward, both in terms of technology, design, graphics, etc.

But now we haven't had anything move forward in the last 15 years, and it's just the same things over and over again in different packaging. TL;DR: back then it was "things will get better" - Now it's "things will never get better".

>>723513437
i get the impression here that a lot of people don't actually enjoy playing video games, i don't know how i gleaned this information but it just keeps sticking out to me that many people here just seem to want to play what's popular and don't really give a shit about video games unless there's twitter drama or some coomer bait

Why world feels so oddly venomous nowadays?

>>723513473
>thinks line clearing games are puzzle games
retard brainlet, these are actual puzzles. You calling them movie games is about as sensical as you calling yourself a woman.

>>723513649
full of angry bitter faggots like the people you find here. if you enjoy anything you're accused of being: a tranny, a pedo, a jew, a faggot, a nigger, a woman, etc.

>>723513649
>Why world feels so oddly venomous nowadays?
People in power found out that the best way to min/max getting people not revolting against them, is to make the people revolt against each other.

Simple as.

>>723513736
>you enjoy anything you're accused of being: a tranny, a pedo, a jew, a faggot, a nigger, a woman, etc.
case in point;>>723513669

>>723513669
youre incredibly dumb and stupid. arcade puzzles are 100 variations on tetris.

>>723494121 (OP)
Almost all of those games are still available, plus lots of games have come out since then
You tell me

>>723494121 (OP)
Indie games aside, the judaic 7th gen pretty much ruined video games forever.

>>723513473
>walking sim
we already had that with Oblivion and later Skyrim. people love it
and games werent very hard before that, until Dark Souls released everything was basically a button masher or some form of combo spammer like Bayonetta, God of War, or Devil May Cry. there was no skill necessary. Ass creed quick time insta kills was a natural evolution.

>>723494121 (OP)
It was better simply because the volume of games coming out was much larger.
>b-but there's like 10 thousand games coming out on steam each year
Actual games.

>>723514023
>like Bayonetta, God of War, or Devil May Cry.
the fact you put god of war in with the other two shows you have no idea what you're talking about

>>723513498
>Yes, it was objectively better, because we had optimism and hope back then
You were too young to know about:
>the patriot act
>constant viruses
>every company betting against the internet early on and then immediately exploiting it
>the start of internet DRM
>reality TV
>constant corporate exploitation of hobbies
>moms against video games

>But graphics were improving!
Yea but the games got worse and bullshots became common. Finding out what a game actually looked like before you bought it was a chore

I'm born in 1995 and pretty much everyone including most girls were playing vidya my whole childhood. Also both my parents played them before I was born. Not sure why /v/ermin are so desperate to propagate the false reality that video games were "underground".

>>723514173
i never played God of War, but it had a similar showy/flashy bullshit that i find off putting, like the other games. you play one, youve played them all.

was God of War closer to the mindless masher?

>>723514312
>You were too young to know about:
I am 35. I experienced everything you just listed, except The Patriot Act, since I'm not a burger.

>>723500248
This is not bait. For every end-of-console-cycle game like Chrono Trigger or Seiken Densetsu 3, there were 20 shit copycat tries. For every Tekken there were 15 pieces of fighting shovelware, for every Gran Turismo there's a gaggle arcadey-trash. Real innovation takes time and intelligence.

>>723514384
I have no idea either. The average user here is so much dumber and more retarded than they were even five years ago. I’m the same age as you and had the same experiences.

>>723514521
god of war was simon says garbage
bayonetta and dmc are fantastic games if you play them right. youre supposed to play for score instead of survival. if you just play to survive i can see why you would call them button mashers

>>723494331
>A lot of really shit games came out with a few good ones here and there, but the caveat was that there's no fucking way to know if they were shit without buying or renting them.
Game Pro, EGM, Game Informer, Playstation Magazine, and Nintendo Power say hi.

>>723514723
it was even worse in the 80s and early 90s. it was like a gold rush and everyone was copying each other

>>723513606
It’s the same impression most of the posters here give me nowadays too, and it’s why I spend a lot less time here than I used to.
There’s also a decent amount of people posting here who legitimately just hate video games, maybe because they feel they wasted crucial moments of their lives playing them when they could have done other things they now feel they missed out on.

>>723494121 (OP)
Yep, life in general was better for pretty much everyone. The world died somewhere between 00 and 05, and we've been living a nightmare ever since.

>>723494917
I like how this game looks. Crude in polygons? Sure, but it’s easy to read at a glance and it’s colorful. And I’m sure development time must be a hell of a lot faster.

My grandma and grandpa were alive back then so yeah gaming was better in the 90s/00s

>>723494121 (OP)
Yes, wanna know why?
Have you ever heard someone that lived through that period and saw games evolve so rapidly in real time and thinking to themselves,
>man, I wonder how amazing games will be 20 years from now!
Imagine having that kind of optimism today.
That tells you all you need to know about games today VS. back then.

>>723514728
>The average user here is so much dumber and more retarded than they were even five years ago

I know from personal experience that gaming journos were WOKE in at least 2006. I was reading physical magazines of them crying about mainly Japanese games. FF13, some dead or alive game, later RE5.

>>723494121 (OP)
Genuinely offended at this cunt implying that millennials didn't do le born in wrong generation too.

>>723515264
kek I just remembered one. They were crying and bitching about the 360 version of onechanbara.

>>723494121 (OP)
yup

>>723514574
Then you glued those lenses on. Seriously, you can romanticize away any inconvenience or negative. Paint it as a better time
>Long time to download a game? Gave you time to "reflect" and build anticipation
>Got "I'm looking at gay porn" virus after downloading a single song from Kazza? "Man the internet used to be so fun"
>Gameboy impossible to see in the dark? Just added to the ambiance
>CD stopped working because it was scratched or have to blow into cartridges? Makes you appreciate the things you have
>Tank controls? Just a style choice :)
>Dial up? Just don't go online
>Movie and game rentals requiring a trip to the store only to find out it sucks?
>Did you read the manual?
I could fucking go on but it wasn't that much fun. Did I enjoy wasting hours on ugoplayer or Conquer Online? Yea but I'm not going to convince myself that humanity or even my small niche of interests peaked just because I was having a good time.

>>723512403
web 2.0 contributed a lot of towards the downfall. Internet culture went from a treehouse into a crackden, where everyone can enter and take a shit, without contribution. Add thirdies having internet access and you have a recipe for a disaster.
This is why you don't have OCs here either and only wojaks.

>>723515449
not one good point

Seeing small l liberals desperately trying to convince people that we haven't gone to absolute shit is always funny.

>>723511821
https://groups.google.com/g/alt.games.video.nintendo-64/c/WAe-8A-4EEg
Yea if you increase the denominator but keep the average, you'll see more. Ida I think most people hold previous days on a pedestal because they were happier then.

>>723515586
not one argument
>>723515669
>da libruls
>>>>>/pol/

>>723514728
No u

>>723494121 (OP)
I was younger back then so it was a better time

>>723501126
Naked girls at computers is a niche fetish

>>723515264
2007 is when I first remember seeing it when those cunts at RPS started going after devs.

I feel that games like starfcraft, the sims, duke nukem and a lot of other 90s games were one of a kind and not something that we'll see again in another 100 years or so

I still enjoy the games of today and a lot of smaller studios release some good stuff, I think games are an art form and the unreal corporate slop games leave a bad taste

>>723515449
>>Long time to download a game? Gave you time to "reflect" and build anticipation
Buy physical games then.
>>Got "I'm looking at gay porn" virus after downloading a single song from Kazza? "Man the internet used to be so fun"
Don't be a retard and download the wrong files.
>>Gameboy impossible to see in the dark? Just added to the ambiance
You could buy cheap lights to attach to it.
>>Tank controls? Just a style choice :)
Git gud.
>>Dial up? Just don't go online
Now you are just complaining to complain.
>>Movie and game rentals requiring a trip to the store only to find out it sucks?
The "trip to the store" for me was like 20 minutes on a bike, not some grand journey like you make it sound.
>>Did you read the manual?
What are you even attempting to complain about here?

All in all, it just sounds like you were a genuine retard, and most of your issues stemmed from you being a retard.

>>723498774
yeah its fake which kinda hammers in the irony

>>723501134
Uh… I think you’re teacher may have just been watching alot of Skyrim sex mod videos anon

>>723494121 (OP)
The suits hadn't fully sank their claws into AAA games yet. Don't get me wrong, the industry always wanted to make a profit. But they hadn't discovered all the optimal ways to nickel and dime gamers and shit up the product in the process.

Sorta. Back then people didn’t realize there was money to be made in video games. So the giga Jews that would create things like loot boxes and battle passes weren’t as prevalent. It also meant that ecelebs, streamers, youtubers etc weren’t using video games to make a career for themselves. No esports as well, unless you count like fgc and local Madden tournaments. Basically once people realized they could monetize video games it just attracted the worst types of people. And with a new audience, the industry begins to shift to cater to them. Think of the esports fags for example. Competitive games are balanced around the esports and competitive scene and it ruins things for the majority of the rest of the casuals playing quick play. Overwatch for example. Not even mentioning the Anita types that tried to grift her way to fame using video games as her target.

>>723502895
>first con isnt a con
I dont think patching a dog shit game has ever been worth it.

>>723500118
>And they are right in that. Basedjaks are downright hilarious.
And you're welcome to go back to it faggot

>>723494121 (OP)
Less creative restrictions at least

>>723501501
If only you knew. Many of the girls in Z who actually "play" vydia were either doing it because of their bfs or because they were. smelly butch dykes with colored hair. Coupled with the fact that they don't have any deeper understanding of what the fuck they even just played. Had a girl tell me that rdr1 was the hardest game she's ever played because she didn't understand why Marston didn't just shoot the pinkertons Ross and fordham because he is supposed to be an outlaw.

>>723500118
Some trannyjanny really spent hours making this

Games became weird at some point. I'm not quite sure how to describe it but after around 2016 it's like none of them are sincere, they must have these layers of irony or they try to preach a message the devs themselves don't believe in

>>723518765
You can go back, if you are willing to take the time and develop a game for the PS2 in 2025.
https://github.com/DanielSant0s/AthenaEnv

>>723509552
>Erik Wolpaw
Why did it make him seethe? Didn't he help write portal 2?

>>723519001
i mean it's not really the same, that era had DOZENS of high quality games by different studios

>>723519031
Mostly just jewish hate of white succesful people.
Almost his entire article on it is just him seething about her being rich.

>>723494331
> it was largely the same as now.
This idea doesn't even make sense.
>no social media
>no smart phones
>gaming still coming out of its infancy
>still had gaming magazines as a dominant form of communication on gaming
>metagaming not really a huge thing yet
>first 3d consoles
>experimentation with a new 3d medium
>totally different generation and culture

what exactly is "the same"

Also while I agree indie is the last bastion of creativity in the medium, most of it is just streamer-bait, and there really is a lot of difference between modern indie and 90s games.

I've always thought my childhood was perfect, awesome video games, no internet until I was 12, did so many fun things, so many fun cartoons, I miss it but I'm so glad I got to live through it in the 90s.

I feel gaming has never been better, you guys just don't know how to filter through the onslaught of garbage. I see everyone getting constantly getting caught in hype cycles, feeling like you have to fanboy over your favorite franchise/company and just straight up deciding wether a game is good based on what some retard popular youtuber said.

>>723512403
>>723511821
Add to the fact that social media has prevented society from having any meaningful cultural change in the last 12 years. All because attention/dopamine that could've gone to creating new stuff and growing culture goes straight into an instant gratification machine in everyones pockets fucking up communication. David foster wallace the guy who made infinite jest, promptly killed himself the moment social media came to iphone because he knew how fucked we all were with him being so emotional tied to human communication.

>>723494331
>largely the same as now
Stopped reading there. What a completely idiotic take.

>>723494121 (OP)
>is some of the weirdest shit
It's really not, they got pretty much an entire decade+ of good media stolen from them, by people who were convinced they could condition entire demographics into accepting retarded nu social faggotry if only they shoved it into enough video games (and tv shows, movies, literature, niche hobbies and communities as a whole), quality be damned. If you compare today's 90% burning trash fires and soap boxes to back then, of course you'd want to have grown up at a time were entertainment was still mainly made to entertain.

>first console was a SNES
>then an Xbox
>remember saving up to buy my xbox 360, feeling proud of myself since my dad bought the other consoles
>played a shit ton of oblivion with friends, we would watch each other play and have good wholesome memories
>"online guides/strategies/min-max" wasn't really a thing, you discovered things by playing, we also didnt have xbox live
>took us dozens of hours in oblivion to even discover fast travel by accident
>remember getting halo 2 and fable for Christmas, also the joy of buying a strategy guide and reading all the lore
>fallout 3 was fun because I was young and it was "oblivion with guns"
>first exposure to dlcs was fallout 3 expansions sold as a physical disk, which was really cool for the time, going to EB games (Canadian gamestop) was always a treat
>attending midnight release of skyrim with oblivion buddies
All great memories. Gaming wasn't just playing the game itself, but it had a decent social culture, for me anyway. I miss the days of couch co-op, and LAN parties.

>>723494121 (OP)
Yes

Unequivocally

>>723515038
no. develpment hell was always present.

>>723513606
>>723514862
It feels like people on here's hobby is shitposting more than video games. The only games they deign to speak positively of (at least in relation to other games) are lauded classics which indicates either they're terrified of giving their actual opinions on an anonymous board or they just don't care much about the medium. Like, people who actually enjoy something like books or movies also read or watch a lot, they have their own tastes and preferences, and there will be 6 or 7/10 things they enjoyed and maybe even genuinely bad works they have a soft spot for. They have things they like outside of a top 100 most recommended list. Anons are like reverse game journalists where anything new that's not an objective 9/10 is absolute dogshit with no redeeming qualities and then they try to frame their dislike for video games as having standards or just being critical.

I struggle to remember the last time I saw an anon on here say a game was mediocre but they liked it or express anything positive at all about a game they ultimately disliked.

>>723494121 (OP)
Everything was better (read: whiter)

>>723520396
> I miss the days of couch co-op
Like you wouldnt fucking believe.

>>723500118
How does Ben Garrison keep killing it!

>>723494121 (OP)
You didn't have the exhausting trite political soapboxing and "sexy woman BAD" browbeating that poisons so much of current gaming, but it was generally more expensive and less convenient to find and buy games. Now you can get basically everything instantly at insane discounts without even leaving the house. Playing fully 3D games on a portable with the original DS for the first time blew my mind when I was a kid.

>>723494121 (OP)
Both times had their advantages/disadvantages

Back then:
>Games were novel just for being 3d.
>FPS Games like perfect dark 64 are still not surpassed today in terms of the amount of extra content/game modes it has.
>Counter strike 1.6 was solid
>quake was still active
>wc3 before reforged was still active and booming with new custom games all the time.
>Zelda games that followed the zelda formulae were at their peak and you wouldn't see a good 3d zelda again until botw.
>morrowind had one of the most creative settings ever put into a video game and is still not surpassed by anything besthesda has made in terms of story/setting
>insane amount of variety in the types of MMO games
>can say whatever i want. steam lets me send any image i want to someone in counter strike
>pokemon gen 1 was fun as fuck as a 8 year old, gen 2 was even better and blew everyone away
Now:
>good graphics are so normal i dont even care if graphics are good or not anymore
>AAA games mostly trash cookie cutter copy cats of each other
>99% of MMOs are a dogshit WoW copycat that is worse than WoW
>indie games are actually good now, unless they are scams
>get banned if you are japenese and say "nigero" on voice chat
>pokemon is a joke company that get outdone by nerd japs with a 1 million dollar budget

>All great memories. Gaming wasn't just playing the game itself, but it had a decent social culture, for me anyway. I miss the days of couch co-op, and LAN parties.
This. There's a genuine lack of social culture nowadays. People of all ages live on the internet which is just a dirty bootyhole at this point. My parents spend their time arguing with random people they will never meet on facebook. A decade ago they were going to grill with their friends.

Internet is unironically over. Well, few places are good if you know where to look. But easily 80% of internet "content" should be flushed in the drain. It's blind leading the blind.

>>723522186
I guess if there’s any sort of silver lining to this, you and I are certainly not the only people who’ve noticed this. I’d like to think that things will get better as the internet approaches the point of genuine uselessness thanks to LLMs and the like.

>>723522186
i totally forgot about that but yeah, even something like watching a movie on a friday would get you out of the house to pick one from the rental store, and you would meet friends out getting movies for their friday as well and sometimes join up together to watch, it was like a community activity to meet at the movie store and pick out things to watch/play

>>723522338
So many people will be completely lost to the storm of noise generated by out of control AI posting. Already you have total mongs who can't even be bothered to write their own posts / messages and just get a language model to do it for them.

>>723521402
>It feels like people on here's hobby is shitposting more than video games.
That's because they are. There was a thread asking why anon's here were raging fags and a lot of them admitted to just liking to stir the pot and cause seethe. It's depressing as shit

>>723521461
Glad someone posted this.

>>723522515
They even have game directors like Harada relying on LLMs to talk to people.
The future is cooked

>>723515038
>And I’m sure development time must be a hell of a lot faster.
No, this was cutting edge for it's era.

>>723510868
Based. Some artist dude out there was responsible for your maiden goonfest. Bless him.

What console and games did the kid from the late 1990's and early 2000's have that didn't join Pokemania and couldn't care less about Pokemon?

He would be the kid in his class without friends, lonely, but who doesn't mind being alone.

>>723522186
Kojima was right with MGS2

>>723507948
Wasnt problem in civilized countries. Too bad you live in Russia 2.0.

>>723510868
Probably PSM
I wish I kept all of mine after I moved. That Liefeld SH2 art was 10/10. Also Adam Warren and others doing the swimsuit editions

>>723522515
Homo sapiens is probably going to begin its split into different subspecies this century.
>>723522986
I don’t think it’s cooked, but it’s going to get weirder and weirder. I think the fact that we can have this conversation and candidly make these observations together is proof that it isn’t cooked.

>>723517719
>No esports as well, unless you count like fgc and local Madden tournaments
1.6 and Quake were also having tournaments for hundreds of thousands of dollars by like 2000 and Fatal1ty was getting his name put on motherboards.
>Competitive games are balanced around the esports and competitive scene and it ruins things for the majority of the rest of the casuals playing quick play. Overwatch for example
Didn't comp play in that game become a meme precisely because all the players hated the direction they chose as they kept buffing low skill heroes while nerfing high skill ones? If anything, that example just proves people's point when they say casuals on here just instantly blame comp players over changes, that they often dislike themselves, and that don't even really affect their matches. I don't know any actual compfags that don't think the game is a joke because it kept catering to bad players.

>>723494121 (OP)
Yes.
Okay, I answered your question now you don't have to post this thread again.
Lol.

Yes and even our shovelware was more fun then your purple AA games are.

>>723523391
When 4chan came back up the entire atmosphere of this site was back to 2006-08 era posting. Then when the bots and shills came back and it became post r/thedonald refugee era 4chan faggotry. We're not completely fucked because clearly there's some of that old spark still here but we're like medium on the cooked status.

>>723522652
Maybe I'm being overly nostalgic but it's particularly sad because even the shitposting seems more boring and dull now without an ounce of creativity. I guess it's not surprising. People reply to the most obvious bait imaginable. Even clear sarcastic jokes can get like 20 seething replies from retards. I'm surprised people haven't started clarifying they're being sarcastic as if we're on reddit.

>>723524589
You need to realize there are people here and on the other platforms who just don't belong on the internet period and would've just been low level normalfags otherwise. But because of Social media and phones allowing every fag with pulse on the internet including kids, we now have people many of them zoomers that in a normal non instant gratification world would've fucked off originally to just a physical cultural niche or another website. It was a lot better when everybody wasn't online

>>723514862
i spend more time playing games or other hobbies now.
>>723514989
>9/11, social media, smart phones, housing crisis, ows, gamergate, 2016 elections, epstein, etc
being born in the 90's has been a wild fucking ride. i'm not a history buff i honestly can't imagine it being worse than this outside of full blown disasters

>>723524987
Oh yeah, I know. Phones are the worst thing that ever happened to the internet. I'd argue even otherwise alright posters are essentially encouraged to shitpost when on a phone due to the inherent limitations of it and the much greater likelihood they simply don't have time to put any effort in a reply and are just momentarily distracting themselves.

>>723525193
It feels worse than for most of history, since every cultural shift now hits nearly everywhere at once.
Some fag in korea shouts "gangnam" into a cam, and some cunt in rural america starts dancing like a loon