Thread 723508912

I wish it was possible to strip out every bit of "lore" this game added to the Zelda franchise
>Hylia
>Demise
>Fi
>Hyrule's origins being sky people
>somehow there's still ancient advanced technology everywhere

>>723508912 (OP)
yfw you realise Fujibayashi rebranded all his lore in Skyward Sword straight from what he had already made in Minish Cap?
>Hylia
Zelda's "light force"
>Demise
Vaati being the one who releases all monsters across Hyrule
>Fi
Creation of the Master Sword = creation of the four sword
>Hyrule origin being sky people
Ancient sky civilisation in the wind tribe

>>723509862
it wasn't good then, either.
and at least had the courtesy to only relevant for a single game.
nintendo has basically erased everything but SS, BOTW and TOTK in the lore now (and that's with them ignoring swathes of BOTW's story and events)

we didn't even really see the aftereffects of this game's lore because botw/totk are reboots with stolen valor references injected randomly

>zelda lore
Now that's some shit and piss

>>723511087
it's a set of story elements that have become recurring in the franchise, if that's not lore then whatever you call it pedantic nonsense

>>723508912 (OP)
Sex with Fi.

>>723508912 (OP)
it's easy, it's called playing a different zelda game.

>>723508912 (OP)
>Hyrule's origins being sky people
TP added that.

>>723511546
a lot of people ended up doing just that.
SS nearly killed the franchise, but Nintendo kept using its lore anyway

I like it. I like the sky stuff. I like the Zonai robots things. I like BotW and TotK. I love every Zelda

Replacing the triforce with those lame ass stones was a mistake.
Nothing will ever beat Ganondorf showing his piece of the triforce before his fight atop the tower.

tendies are so embarrassing

Isn't it based on that Greek myth were things always reset every adventure?

>>723508912 (OP)
I want to delete everything Skyward Sword created except Fi and Groose.
I don't care if Fi's existence becomes inexplicable, I want Goddess #4 erased.

>>723508912 (OP)
I only care about the old testament. 3 goddesses, Din, Nayru, and Farore. The new ones, I don't understand them, they are blasphemous.

>>723513046
not really. again, these have become recurring plot elements, even if the stories weren't connected at all, the elements remain

>>723517414
>even if the stories weren't connected at all
So Zelda 2 isn't a direct sequel to Zelda 1?
Where do you deceitful niggers come from?

>>723517568
brush up on your english, pablo.
moreover, I'm talking about SS/BOTW/TOTK. not the games before Skyward Sword started introducing all these new aspects to the setting of the franchise.

>>723517702
>gets caught in a lie
>a-ackshully i was talking about t-these things i never mentioned
You have skin the color of poop and you spit lies like a jew.
Your next move is to tell me I didn't read the thread, despite the fact that following our reply chain won't bring up any mentions of the Fujibayashi games until the very message I'm replying to.

>>723511609
based and kepttalking totheresistancemembersinsteadofimmediatelyleavingthebarPilled

>>723517926
every post not replying to another post is implicitly replying to the op post since it's the entire topic of a thread

>>723518054
>these creatures made the hylians
then that was thrown out

>>723518075
>um w-well my imaginary rules say
I accept your concession.
Go back to lurking until you know how to post, and then you might become less of a poop-covered jew.

>>723518285
what I want to know is how you hallucinated me saying that the games aren't connected from
>even if the stories weren't connected at all,
explain to me

>>723508912 (OP)
>Hyrule's origins being sky people
They were ground people before they were sky people, Hylia made their lands rise to get away from the demons. The face that they find a land they want to build a kingdom in after returning to the surface is whatever.
>somehow there's still ancient advanced technology everywhere
Just because this is the first game chronologically doesn't mean nothing happened before it, the whole demon war era happened and we never see it. I was kind of hoping they would do a Hyrule Warriors prequel like they're doing for TotK, but it's been way too long since the re-release of Skyward Sword on the Switch for there to be enough interest to release a spinoff.

>>723515295
>I don't care if the lore becomes even worse and the community more schizo if it gives me more of X waifu
Got it. Let's delete Ganondorf, the Triforce, Link, and every non-femael character and setting.

>>723518671
Skyward Sword didn't introduce any of those things.
You are a bot, or even worse, a SSfag.

>>723508912 (OP)
That pales in comparison to Totk's dogshit lore.

>>723508912 (OP)
I don't really think anything that skyward sword does is anywhere near the abysmal dogshit that is the botw-totk lore permanently ruining everything created after it preemptively by making all the past games' lore irrelevant and introducing the lamest plot points and ideas in the entire series.

I didn't like the "advanced" tech in any of those games, and I never liked the idea of fucking trains either.

>>723518904
the botw games are just building off what ss started

>>723518671
>Let's delete Ganondorf
Skyward Sword already did that, he's been replaced with Demisedorf.

>>723518904
>retcons calamity ganon into being a new ganondorf instead of the old one
>this new ganondorf is now the original ganondorf and the original ganondorf from the rest of the series is now the knockoff.
>have him shit on series icons like being able to destroy the master sword
>completely ignore the triforce and power creep them with those retarded secret stones
>the whole zonai origin of hyrule leaves the rest of the zelda games a footnore in hyrule's history, with botw/totk now being the alpha and omega of zelda lore
Totk lore really feels like they have a stick on their shoulder over the early games and how there's still people who prefer how zelda used to be. And the new hyrule warriors makes it clear they've trying to double down on it being the original hyryule, original ganondorf and everything. They could have just let it sit at the end of the timeline, but they had to take a steaming shit on the rest of the series.

The branched timeline was a mistake and despite my hate for both BotW and TotK (and the Age of games, I guess), they are their own thing, and that's what Zelda games should have done since the SNES days.

>>723519062
I feel like you're ignoring the part where ss was not even the first OR second game in the series to do sky people shit, which isn't relevant.

>>723519074
Ganondorf is a specific character. You could argue that Demise supersedes Ganon, but Ganondorf was more specific and technically separate.

>>723519541
>The branched timeline was a mistake
It would have worked flawlessly if Wind Waker didn't shit the entire thing up by itself.

>>723519630
>Ganondorf is a specific character
Yeah, but the guy from TOTK isn't him.
GANONdorf turns into Ganon.
TOTKdorf is Weeaboo Demise using someone else's name until he gets mad and eats a rock.
I'm not arguing in favor of any of this, I think "Demon King Ganondorf" is fucking gay and the fact that EOW made Echo Ganon use the Demon King title indicates that Skyward Sword has become stage 4 cancer to the series.

>>723519690
And guess who was behind the idea of flooding Hyrule? Not even Miyamoto liked some of the ideas of Wind Waker.
Both Miyamoto and Aunoma have been creative divas since Majora's Mask was a thing and both always lacked the hability to foresee that doing convoluted shit with the series while they also told everyone that all Zelda games happen in the same universe following a branching timeline was a serious mistake, and they never actually cared, the just wanted to push gimmicks and sometimes, in their infinite wisdom, had ideas but never figured out how to implement them at the whatever current game they were working on so instead they pushed and forced those ideas in posterior games without caring about coherence or cohesion, so we ended up with a series that supposedly has deep lore but not really. Hell, Seiken Densetsu have longer periods of time without getting games or a dev team compared to Zelda and somehow the series has a more well designed world and lore

>>723520218
Was Ganon not always the "demon lord" trope?

>>723521112
Not the way SS is forcing it.

>>723520345
nintendo should have just dropped the pretense of lore or timeline entirely, but they didn't.
they could have done so very easily, in fact, with BotW yet they still didn't

>>723520218
>Demon King Ganondorf
That's been his title since OoT. NoA are just translating it properly now.

>>723520218
>>723521312
Sorry to break it to you, but he always has been. NoA chose to translate it as "king of evil", but in JP It was always demon king

>>723520345
Funny how this all comes back to Wind Waker being the fat piece of shit that started it all.
It should've been a clean break but nope they had to rely on OoT to get people to give it a chance and then it tried to wash its hands of it at the end.
That game was just testing the style or substance theory

>>723521625
>>723521664
Skyward Sword niggers please commit suicide at my soonest convenience.

>>723521312
What makes it different? The Skyward Sword elements of BotW or TotK are not what makes those games dogshit and uninteresting, it is in fact literally EVERYTHING else about them that makes them dogshit and uninteresting.

>>723508912 (OP)
i didn't play it anyway so luckily it doesn't bother me

>>723508912 (OP)
Same. It added nothing of value.

>>723521712
lol. lmao. wwwwww

>>723521953
You posted a picture of Ganondorf, not Demisedorf.
Slit your wrists, SSnigger.

>>723522028
>and the fact that EOW made Echo Ganon use the Demon King title indicates that Skyward Sword has become stage 4 cancer to the series.
Are you stupid? You're literally complaining about the name right there, the name that he's always had

>>723522028
>You posted a picture of Ganondorf
Who has the title of Great Demon King Ocarina of Title. The title has been in use since the original fucking game, but it only got applied to Ganondorf (as opposed to his form as Ganon) in OoT.

>>723522350
So Demon King meant the exact same thing in OOT as it did in SS?
The answer is no, btw. Trying to argue otherwise proves you're not human.
>>723522158
>errmm you acknowledged that the series is poisoned tho?
Yeah, you're an engagement farmer. Makes sense, as only bots and Jews can defend stage 4 cancer.

>>723522446
>So Demon King meant the exact same thing in OOT as it did in SS?
Yes? Ganon has always been the leader of the demons in Zelda, hence his title. Ganondorf gets the title in OoT after the time skip. Again you'll note that post-time skip his servants are almost entirely demonic or heavily associated with evil (like the evil witches Koume and Kotake). It's part of his transformation from sorcerer bandit king to full blown prince of darkness.

>>723508912 (OP)
Well you're lucky Nintendo decided to retcon any cohesive timeline or origin story and just have every game be it's own self-contained thing.
Hell, ToTK retcons BoTW with the fucking Zonai. The fuck happened to the Sheikah and all their advanced tech, artifacts and shrines?

>>723522615
>Yes?
No, kike.

>>723522446
Retard could you explain what makes it any fucking different? I asked you before and you said nothing. Are you trolling? Genuine question.
Skyward Sword's flaws were entirely gameplay based. Motion controls, shallow combat, and the dungeon-ification of the overworld. The story implications had about as much effect on the series moving forward as literally every other game.

>>723522624
>The fuck happened to the Sheikah and all their advanced tech, artifacts, and shrines?
It stopped existing after its job was done of ending Ganon.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/gaming/features/legend-of-zelda-tears-of-the-kingdom-making-of-interview/
>“They disappeared after the Calamity was defeated (sealed),” Fujibayashi explains. “All of the people of Hyrule also witnessed this, but there is no one who knows the mechanism or reason why they disappeared, and it is considered a mystery. It is believed that since the Calamity disappeared, they also disappeared as their role had been fulfilled.
Yes, it's dumb, and I hate it too, even more so since it's not explained in-game.

>>723520218
>Hates Hyrule as ordered by the gods because it leaves no room for warriors to struggle and thrive.
Honestly kind of cool. Strong pic related vibes.

>>723523092
>grrrr this place is soft, there's no warriors to challenge me
>gets challenged
>starts losing
>WTF NO THIS CANNOT BE I AM LITERALLY GOING TO KILL MYSELF OVER THIS *eats magic pebble*
At least Armstrong stayed true to himself when the jig was up. Demisedorf tried cheating his way out.

>>723523524
Well it's obviously not as kino as MGR:R

>>723523092
>>723523704
You're trying too hard to salvage TotK's outsourced story

>>723508912 (OP)
Threadly reminder that SS only happened because timelinefags screeched for an official canon so hard and for so long. Then the game underperformed despite glowing critical reception, so Nintendo overcorrected by totally throwing out linearity and adherence to any established canon and BotW was born.
You're never getting another OoT again because timelinefags are retards who wanted a Zelda Ludomatic Universe.

>>723524425
>timelinefags are retards
Yeah, it's the fans' fault!
Actually, it's the games' fault!
Actually, it's nostalgia's fault!
The people who make these games? No, they're blameless. It's all three of the above scapegoa-uh, I mean, perpetrators that are wholly and completely responsible for the timeline becoming spaghetti. Not Nintendo. Never Nintendo. Nintendo is always making the right choice. I love my infallible friends at Nintendo.

>>723522828
I will interject with my autism because it's better than whatever this argument was before.
Pre-SS, a demon king was just a particularly evil guy. OOT Ganondorf is "the great demon king," but he's NOT an actual demon until he willingly sheds his human body to become Ganon. Until then, he is 'merely' a truly evil man. This humanity is what makes Ganondorf so special, which Wind Waker capitalizes on with his (in)famous speech at the end. Every horrible thing he did is revealed to NOT be the product of some greater power compelling him to do wrong. He wasn't destined to become the great evil demon king, he's literally just a colossal fucking scumbag that lucked into divine (turned unholy) power that he leveraged to commit even worse crimes, and even after reflecting on his deeds and the punishment they earned him, he's still raring to get right back to it. And then WWfags somehow turned this into Good Guy Ganon, which will never make sense to me.
Post-SS, the Demon King is a part of the karmic cycle that game established. The Demon King is a distinct figure will inevitably return time and time again, because the karmic scales will inevitably tip back towards balance once evil is removed...or something. It's also...a form you can attain? I can't think of another reason for why TOTKdorf physically became more Demise-y after becoming the Demon King. And it's definitely connected because the game doesn't give him the title Demon King Ganondorf until he breaks out the Demise form. It's a mess.

Honestly I wish they'd roll back the powerscaling a bit. Demons would be a fine addition if literally every evil thing ever wasn't retroactively labeled a demon. Bokoblins and Dodongos should be monsters and beasts that flocked/were brought under the banner of evil, not the legions of Hell themselves. "Demon" should be a title that's treated with prestige, relegated to bosses and powerful evil beings.

Thank you for reading my blog.

>>723525914 (me)
One last autistic opinion.
I wish the Demon King transformation didn't include a Demise-style makeover. A humanoid demon form for him might've been a cool middle stage between Ganon and Ganondorf if it didn't turn into Skyward Sword continuing to insist upon itself. Seriously who the fuck is so insistent on pushing that game?
With the Calamity all but explicitly being a fake and TOTKdorf's final form being the big dumb dragon, it means the real Ganon never actually appeared across all of BOTW/TOTK. With EOW using Echo Ganon instead of the real deal, the big pig's last appearance was ALBW, where he was nothing but a host body for Yuga.
It's a little sad, but maybe I just care too much.
>>723526323
SS artwork Link, one of the coolest Links, doomed to not actually exist in favor of the Hero of Lips. What a tragedy.

>>723525914
>we have suavemente at home

>>723510769
Bitch we literally got a new game last year that brought back the Golden Goddesses and the importance of the Triforce.

>>723527484
A shame it was so average.
Also Null is gay.

>>723527569
I think you just don't like anything new.

>>723527484
They brought back the Golden Goddesses for the sake of a new bad that makes no sense and will let them keep using Ganon in the timeline that he's been dead in since 1992. Fuck off back to your containment NTR thread.

>>723527717
No, it was just a very middle of the road game. I liked the Lanayru and Faron temples, and that's about all the genuine praise I have for it. Aside from Null being gay and the BOTW menu, I don't have much negative to give it either.
Average. Very average game. That's all.

>>723527484
>the importance of the triforce
Using it to wish for a 2d Zelda that doesn't have a vomit-inducing funko pop artstyle and that isn't made so braindead that lobotomized rats could beat it?

>>723528124
>will let them keep using Ganon in the timeline that he's been dead in since 1992.

You realize a Link to the Past is a prequel to Zelda 1&2, right?

>>723510880
I doubt they will ever acknowledge this game ever again. It wasn't popular and BotW was a response to that. Even Twilight Princess has more fans and is revered as the last true Zelda game of the classic 3D style.

>>723528428
And you do realize that he's been dead since Zelda 2 in that regard, right? Was that your "gotcha" moment? Try again.

>>723508912 (OP)
There is no lore in Zelda. Play the games retard.

>>723528464
It's been established that Ganon will always return ever since Ocarina of Time.

Because he's been placed in the series as the arch nemesis of Link and Zelda.

>>723528428
>ganon dies in zelda 1
>link goes on a casual monster genocide as a side activity during zelda 2
>every game afterwards was either a prequel or another reality, so ganon really did die for real and forever after 1/2
How the fuck did he do it?

>>723528592
So when the King in Windwaker talks about the Hero of Time and his old kingdom, that isn't lore?

>>723528678
>How the fuck did he do it?

With a silver arrow.

>>723528678
OG Link best Link

>>723528665
>It's been established that Ganon will always return ever since Ocarina of Time.
Skyward Sword*
Try again.

>>723528678
>link goes on a casual monster genocide as a side activity during zelda 2
He's being hunted for his blood to revive Ganon. He wasn't doing that shit casually.

>>723528942
Can't argue with that.

>>723528975
Nah, you've been seething enough already.

>>723529204
I accept your concession BotWtranny. Next time, don't embarrass yourself trying to discuss something you know nothing about and just stick to your cuck threads.

>>723528665
Ocarina of Time was a prequel to the entire series up to that point. He returned for the Imprisoning War and ALTTP, then returned for the final time in 1 with the monsters in 2 actively trying to resurrect him.
Story-wise, he was done. His arc was basically completed in reverse. The only victory he has by OOT's end is that he still has a lot of bad things he'll get to do before he's ultimately put down for real and has his final resurrection denied.
With the alternate timeline that branched into MM, Ganondorf was snitched on by not just a child, but a second child with an authentic Triforce brand, so he never rose to power. If Wind Waker never happened and the series just kept going down the MM line, the Zelda team would have been free to do literally anything they wanted in the untouched sandbox that was the world without Ganon. New villains, new plot coupons, new anything they could invent.
But Wind Waker DID happen, and then Twilight Princess brought Ganon into the world without Ganon, and then because of Wind Waker the Hyrule Historia happened alongside Skyward Sword. The GC/Wii era, what a massacre it was to the previous connective tissue.

>>723525914
>Bokoblins and Dodongos should be monsters and beasts that flocked/were brought under the banner of evil
Going to agree with this. It kind of cheapens the worldbuilding if demons are too common. Let some things be actual living creatures for fuck's sake. The new lore has some good things in it, but it would have been a lot better if it didn't seem like they were deliberately trying to run roughshod over the old lore.

>>723529481
Didn't Ganondorf say that "when the seal is broken, I'll come to kill your descendants"?

>>723529489
Deku Scrubs and Zoras were originally monsters and became friendly races.

>>723528678
The true Chad Link in the true Hyrule.
No gods, no masters and no characters to insist upon itself. And no fucking time travel
Got rid of Ganon in one game and wiped out every Ganon apologist in the sequel.

>>723527484
>Zelda since the past decade has been BotWslop or funkopopslop.
>Open air too successful to the point of cross contamination to adjacent series.
>This insures 5 more years/1.5 to 2 complete decades of slop even if Aonuma retires as Producer because Fujibayashi will still be there
2030 can't come any sooner

>>723528678
>>723528428
nintendo crams so many games into the downfall timeline it's nauseating

>>723508912 (OP)
no. true gamers recognize the games for their individual nature and enjoy them. timeline schizo fags deserve to suffer.

>>723529603
He does swear undying revenge against Link and Zelda's descendants, yes. By the time OOT released, the only part of his revenge we hadn't already seen was the Imprisoning War.
Like I said, Ganon's arc was basically done in reverse. We see his defeat and failure to return in 1/2, we see the height of his power in ALTTP, and we see Ganon's origin in OOT.
The Imprisoning War really was the only major plot hole prior to Wind Waker taking over the original timeline. Downfall didn't exist to make OOT Link job last second, so there's no real way of knowing how Ganon went from stuck in the Sacred Realm to somehow possessing the full Triforce. An early concept for OOT was that it would BE the Imprisoning War, same with Four Swords Adventures (of all games) and Hyrule Warriors, but that obviously didn't come to pass.

>>723531294
are you counting nintendo recycling clichés and storylines between each game as "individual nature"?

>>723528438
>>723510880
once the niggas that grew up with skyward sword hit middle age they will proclaim it as the best zelda
right now its twilight princess niggas

>>723508912 (OP)
fi is cute. fuck you.

>>723531294
>True gamers recognize games for the individual nature.
>when they all start to look the same and play the same because they are recycled sequels
say less, true gamer

>>723508912 (OP)
>somehow there's still ancient advanced technology everywhere
This is getting tiresome. It was interesting when Majora's Mask had some pseudo-tech and intriguing in Wind Waker and not so bad in Skyward Sword. By the time BotW came in, I had my fill of that shit. Funny enough, the trains in Spirit Tracks didn't feel out of place and was the closest thing to a modern-day Zelda and there, it made since given it was a century after Wind Waker.

Next game's gonna do the same shit with a bunch of 'tech', only with a different aesthetic.

>>723519378
BotW was a convenient way to wipe the slate clean for first-timers and it worked; why worry about the older games and where to 'start' for the 'lore' when you can just play BotW and bam - you're a Zelda fan. And while the 'lore' was never a negative for me, I hated how a lot of secondaries came in the franchise and only cared about the 'lore' without playing any of the games. The games and gameplay were always the focus, never the lore. Doing away with that means they don't have to hear people whining why Hyrule Historia's faggy timeline no longer applies to this game or that game, they backed themselves in a corner but didn't want to tell the lorefags to fuck off, so they did a hard reset on Zelda period.

You better stop asking for remakes, because you're going to get a botched game that pales in comparison to the original and a lot of faggots who'll insist the remakes are the definitive way to play them. OoT3D is bad enough, imagine OoTHD or OoT4K or worse, OoT remade in the same vein as FFVIIR.

>Hylia
A net negative but I'm also not sure how to directly show more divine intervention without retconning the Golden Goddesses who are supposed to be distant if not outright absent from the setting after the creation of the world. I sort-of give it a pass because only Breath and Tears really acknowledge Hylia's existence, there have been other Zelda games since then that make zero mention of her
>Demise
Ganondorf But Before Ganondorf is really lame and I don't like that they introduce a commonality element to Ganondorf's existence, regardless of Demise's curse not actually being a reincarnation cycle for himself in Ganondorf's flesh
>Hyrule's origins being sky people
Don't think this really goes either way honestly
>somehow there's still ancient advanced technology everywhere
The bigger condemning thing for me is the seahorse people are apparently cavemen Zoras while humans and Gorons are fully evolved

>>723508912 (OP)
It’s all an anthology more or less. The entire history put together is contradictory and blurry. You can choose to ignore it. Nintendo pretty much does. The timeline only exists for fan appeasement.

>>723535490
>OoT remade in the same vein as FFVIIR.
We sort-of got that already with Tears being a soft retelling of Ocarina of Time (Ganondorf's origin story etc etc) and the devs openly not giving a shit about fans that are reverential of Zelda lore

This is a healthy attitude for a creative to have about his work that it's not that fucking serious btw

>>723508912 (OP)
Nope, Ocarina~Skyward are the best era of Zelda lore and storytelling.

>>723535885
>sort-of
And what happens when they outright do a retelling of Ocarina with Hylia, Demise and Din/Farore/Nayru outright erased or 're-imagined'? Remember that they made TPHD and SSHD in response to both BotW and TotK being delayed respectively. They have nothing else to upscale except for Wind Waker HD and that was already done, so save for a port of that game, what else could they do? What's the one game that even BotW and TotK can't push to the side? It's a monkey's paw waiting to happen, and people aren't being wary enough about it.

>>723508912 (OP)
>Hyrule's origins being sky people
They didn’t originally live in the sky. Hylia put them up there the same time Demise was sealed. You should read the skyward sword manga.

>>723536267
I'm not sure how AI upscales and bloom cranked to 10000% necessarily correlates to the idea of a remake of OoT that Skyward Sword-izes the story but I confess I'm also not on death-watch about FF7R because I actually played it and the original FF7 and don't hold the original game as sacrosanct or inviolable

>>723536449
I'm saying they're going to announce the new Zelda title, show some footage of it, announce a release date for it, and then delay it. After the delay announcement, in comes another Zelda title, usually a remake or an HD port or a shitty sequel like Tri Force Heroes. Since budgets are tight as shit nowadays, unless they do a 3D Zelda collection with WW/TP/SS, they'll need something else to 'tide' the fans over, and what better way than to remake another title?
>Remake/Reimagining
>3D Zelda collection
>Sequel to Echoes of Wisdom reusing the same engine going by TFH
Call me autistic, but this scenario happened twice. Third time's the fucking charm.