Thread 723525419

surely this will save Halo!

AI isnt as bad as twitter/reddit makes you think it is

>>723525419 (OP)
yeah no shit look at it

>>723525419 (OP)
It's begining to make less and less sense to hold any position against AI. Our ideological enemies are losing their jobs, that's a good thing. It puts creativity in the hands of good people like you and me and I'm struggling to even think of any downside here for Halo.
>troons out of the creative process
That's what it boils down to I think.

>>723525419 (OP)
>Core workflows
Current agent models doing this are going to be no better than a pajeet with google. Waste of money at best, accidental dev hell nightmare at worst.
>World building
#1 way to completely fuck up your game's environment and identity
>Enemy AI
The only use case of AI in vidya that has serious potential in the near future
Why can't we just get a studio focused on making a fucking GOOD VIDYAGAEM

I trust AI more than the women in charge of Halo to make a good Halo game.

>>723525634
its a literal 2 birds with one stone situation
they get rid of the most hostile individuals in the work force that provide the least while saving money

who will I blame when even the AI games are bad?

>>723525554
It just makes me think of indians which then turns me off a game

can these fuckers just give the ip to a group of rando halo autists already? no matter what you do the products these fags, niggers, women, and jews make will never EVER be close to the shit bungie shat out within months

>>723525732
The publishers will blame the AI, that's for sure.

Theres not a worse place to be than a game studio that is actively managed by Microsoft. You're better off being like double fine where they just pay you and fuck off until the game is done.

AI was the biggest technological gaslight ever and now these corporations have to justify hundreds of billions in excess spending to their investors.

>>723525658
AI is better than feminist slop. Are you woke?

AI has no benefit on art. The only reason why people clamor for it is laziness and greed. It's no coincidence that the spiteful social rejects of 4chan are the ones most likely to have an AI shill amidst them.
Unlike some other AI haters, I don't subscribe to the idea that AI is not gonna make it and that it's just a fad. I can see a bleak future where AI dominates the vidya industry, resulting in unimaginable levels of sloppification.
All I can say is that I won't pay even one cent for AI slop ever. I may be an ant in the grand scheme of things, but at the very least I will be satisfied that if vidya turns into a supernova of slop, I won't have been even 0.0000000001% responsible. Hope my fellow anti-AI bros have the same determination and that in a potential dark future that awaits us, there will still be a niche market that supports real games.
Should the worst come to pass and AI kill the very idea of human made gaming due to its insane levels of efficiency and "quality", then in that post-vidya world, I'll join the proompter hordes and make my own games for myself and myself alone. Proompters are talentless idea guys. I have ideas too. Their "art" is exactly as worthless as mine.

>>723525586
it looks like the fortnite masterchief skin in fortnite
based ue5

>>723525905
There exists a better alternative in my mind than a dichotomy between "MASS AI SLOP" and "WOKE TRASH"

>>723525419 (OP)
>Generative AI
Great, it's going to be dogshit. When people shill AI in gaming it's always the same "AI will make the NPCs smarter and have actual conversations" but none of the big corps will ever do that because they only see AI as a cost-saving measure.
I want an intelligent AI that will command the Flood (or whatever the bad guys are this time) with a clever strategy and generate funny taunts upon my death.

>>723525586
>Spent hundreds of millions dollars just to get the same effect of someone's picture of a toy with photoshop touch ups
bravo microsoft

>>723526163
>AI will make the NPCs smarter and have actual conversations
There's a Skyrim mod for this and it's boring as fuck.

>>723526163
The AI is too lobotomized to actually have interesting conversations with and you might end up getting it to say unauthorized opinions or do something like engage in rape roleplay if it weren't, so that tech will never be anything more than a meme.

>AI world building
Procedurally generated landscapes. Breaking tech from 1986!

>>723525658
>Enemy AI
Maybe if there's a central server. I don't think an offline solo campaign can take advantage of the vast resources AI-as-we-see-it-today must use. Also it might be restricted to boss battles because sooner or later, we're getting Federal restrictions on how much of our power grid AI companies can gobble up.

>>723525554
This

>>723525554
>>723526352
>New form of slop: GOOD cause everyone else hates it!!!

why do conservatives love AI so much? What's the connection?

>>723526349
>I don't think an offline solo campaign can take advantage of the vast resources AI-as-we-see-it-today must use
https://youtu.be/rqSAezpebqg
What i assume to be very primitive lightweight models are already doing this exact thing in modded skyrim.
We're still at the point were it's far too taxxing to have a open world game with an AI acting as some kind of controller to many NPCs at a time. may or may not be that way for much longer.

>>723526679
none of them want to get a liberal arts degree so the bluehairs control the media
ai bypasses that but a significant portion of its output is worthless slop, so they keep investing and praying for agi

this thread is one indian talking to himself

>>723526679
>why do conservatives love AI so much? What's the connection?
The left hates it, so they love it, that's about it. Maybe some overlap with crypto guys looking for the next big thing and them being more conservative on average too (left also hates crypto).

>>723526679
it's online-only contrarian conservative types that really only believe in things that they think make libtards angry. 4chan/twitter is loaded with them.

>>723526406
most people dont even know any of the good uses of AI, especially analytical models, and only insist it has no use in the world because some shitter artists wanting to make 120k a year on doodles cant do that anymore

>>723526679
The "connection" between conservatism and AI is not one of blanket approval but a complex relationship driven by how AI's potential impacts intersect with core conservative values—seeing it as both a powerful engine for economic and military strength (pro-innovation, minimal regulation) and a potential threat to ideological fairness and social stability (perceived liberal bias, risks of rapid change).

emdash

>>723527056
Analytic models? You mean ML that's been around for decades? That's not what anyone is talking about.
>but akshually AI means~~~
No. It's clear from the context that they're talking about LLM coding and gen AI assets. Nobody cares that you know about machine learning.

>>723525554
i don't hate AI nigga I hate women

>>723525893
>AI was the biggest technological gaslight ever
It's most widespread use is scamming, illegal porn, and faking videos.

>>723527462
so like the internet then?
give a bunch of retards massive technological advancements and you're still surprise when they use it for retarded shit?

>>723525419 (OP)
Like I care, I'll take that over faggots and trannies making the game like we've had from 2012 on up.

>>723527261
Based.

The most poorly managed IP of all time

>>723526679
lefties somehow made AI a better alternative than them. Before lefties, I would have been boycotting anything that used AI, after lefties, I'm all for it, even voice actor replacement.

>>723526163
>Great, it's going to be dogshit
When was it not dogshit under 343 feminism?

>>723525554
it's actually worse!

>>723526679
Makes libs mad
takes libs jobs
Takes libs money
Whats NOT to love?

>>723526124
And what is it?

>>723525419 (OP)
It can't get much worse. Maybe Skynet will save it.

>>723525419 (OP)
Forged by indian hands

>>723525586
AI did a better job at making CE Chief than 343 did with Anniversary, kek.

>>723525658
>Current agent models doing this are going to be no better than a pajeet with google. Waste of money at best, accidental dev hell nightmare at worst.
They've been wasting money since 2011
>#1 way to completely fuck up your game's environment and identity
They did that for two games straight
>Why can't we just get a studio focused on making a fucking GOOD VIDYAGAEM
These studios need to be rebuilt from the ground up, the best we can hope for are indies and AAs since AAA gutted the talent years ago and they're too old now.

>>723525419 (OP)
as long as the story narratives and art assets aren't designed by ai, I'm all for it.

>>723525554
Do you want to fly in an airplane programmed by AI

>>723529774
343 can't write, story doesn't matter much in a game, gameplay does, the only decent art to come from 343 is Infinite's campaign. AI will shit on 343 sideways with being better at everything.

>>723525554
AI means more indians. The amount of indians in tech should be zero. Full stop.

>>723529951
Is it really that much different than being in a plane flown by Shaniqua?

>>723525419 (OP)
Ummmm like........ having to model a gun is like very triggering so having AI do it helps me stay in my happy zone so like it's AI is good here.

>>723525634
You sound like a fag who uses twitter.

>>723530051
No Indians means trannies, I'll take my chances with the street poopers

>>723525419 (OP)
it's over.

>>723530009
i meant it more in a general than for 343 specifically. ai should help achieve a clear vision, not remedy a lack of one.

>>723525419 (OP)
Essentially the first stages of the project were handled by hundreds of poos until MS could not afford them, so jeet code will be finished with AI agents handled by the handful of employees who might be American or whose work visas have not expired yet.
I expect the most unoptimized piece of shit on the planet with bugs to make Todd Howard blush.
Critically panned for using AI.
Critically panned by fans as in 343i fashion, they will get everything wrong.
Essential features from Gen VII entirely cut or missing.
No split screen, no forge
Theater Mode? Forget about it.
Voice actors will definitively be sampled from previous works, especially Cortana and 343i being fucking retarded, also Sgt Johnson.
Incredibly tone deaf and disrespectful.

A still born game.
It is absurd how Halo of all mascots got the worst possible ending, while Sonic and Sega are on their redemption arc.

AI>>>>>Indians>Women>Chinks

>>723530126
343 are worse than AI so AI can't be any worse. Thought AI would be the worst thing to happen to humanity, turns out it's communist humans.

What is the obsession with temporary contractors in tech and especially game development? Is it not better to have an entire team with a vision instead of disparate groups that get paid then fuck off?

>>723530190
Even Chinks are better than women, trannies are that bad, they make even our enemies look better, in comparison. I want them to go away, I want trannies dead.

>>723525586
>hello i am master chief lololololol

>>723530281
kek

>>723530063
Yeah. Because in order to become a pilot, you are trained and have to pass to get a certificate. You know, a standard of quality. You wanting to get necked like Charlie Kirk doesn't change that.

>>723530157
It's being mostly worked on by a European third party studio.

>>723530212
>343 are worse than AI so AI can't be any worse.

[THEN]
-Management (Retards)
-Project Managers (Also retards)
______________________________
100xHindus, 20xWomen, 10xTroons (Programmers)
Subcontractors (Finishing Move / Music, Art, PR, Design )

[Now]
-Management (Retards)
-Project Managers (Also retards)
______________________________
20xHindus, 2xWomen, 3xTroons (Programmers)
Ai Agents (Code,Assets,Voice Acting)
Subcontractors (Finishing Move / Music, Art, PR, Design )

Ai is not magical, and while fans with Ai could definitively produce something better it does not mean 343i fucktarded direction will change.
Xbox as a division is beyond saving.
Halo at most will end up as a gacha shit once the Ip is sold to China, and fans will like THAT better.

>>723529951
>I think oranges are fine
>Oh yeah? Would you let an orange fly a plane
Nigga wut

>>723530434
Funny because since DEI shitters took over flying, there's been more crashes than ever before, I'll take my chances with AI or hire non-woke people, you faggot.

>>723530436
I'll take my chances with AI.

>>723530539
>get rid of dei
>planes start falling for first 3 months of presidency
Maybe that's what was keeping them up?

From what I have used regarding AI currently:
If you want a bespoke function or bare ass boiler plate code that is divorced from context, it's fine.
For long pieces of code or integrated systems, it's shits the bed hard.

>>723530637
That's when dei shitters first got the job. We've haven't been hearing about them since they all got fired.

>>723530539
I'm not playing the baton pass with you so you can go through the check list of obvious dead podcaster points. Airplanes don't crash into each other because of airplane pilots, but because we are incredibly understaffed as a country in traffic controllers, and nobody wants to do anything about it.

>>723530757
It was because of DEI, stop trying to hide that fact. You faggots did this, now you live with the consequences.

>>723525419 (OP)
Halo told its story
Tell another

>>723530745
>get rid of something
>now the problems with it starts
Not sure if trolling or retarded. Get a tripcode so i can mute you forever.

>>723530105
Your funeral.

>>723530895
>>723530984
You lost trannies, there won't be a burial for you

>>723525554
On the one hand, I love AI and love that it'll remove the skill floor for a lot of types of content creation. It also makes great text/image fap material. I put it in the same category as shit like digital cameras removing the need for film, or shit like Photoshop/GIMP/Krita removing the need to buy and mix your own paints.

On the other hand, I hate that every damn company on the planet is rushing the tech like it's already some immaculate, flawless technology, and cramming AI into every nook and cranny they can, regardless of how much/little it actually suits the company or how good/bad the AI is at doing the things they want it to do.
They're going so full-force into it that some companies are already firing shitloads of people just to bank on, like, one guy in India or the Philippines proompting all day to spit out some D-tier AI art for a billion-dollar website.

>>723531137
I'm more worried about what will happen when the bubble pops harder than the dot com bubble in the 90s.

>>723531201
*early 2000s

>>723525554
saaar

>>723531137
>They're going so full-force into it that some companies are already firing shitloads of people just to bank on, like, one guy in India or the Philippines proompting all day to spit out some D-tier AI art for a billion-dollar website.
It always interests me regarding this topic because of how much they are banking on it. If it falls through for whatever reason, you are now going to have a HUGE gap in the job market between people starting out and seniors.

SAAAR ARE YOU BLOODY WOKE SAR

>>723525554
It's isn't but due to fags being like piracyfags that won't shut the fuck up and the Mr. Moneybags of the real world both squeezing the middle and lower class out of life and Ai doing a shit job and making everything expensive despite the opposite should be happening, Anti-AI is the human way and I don't give a fuck how many volumes of semen the collective humanity has spilled over prompting because of it either, nor do I care for the new roach race because of it.

>>723525419 (OP)
Wait a minute. What if they didn't find a living alien as Roswell but they found an advanced computer. A computer that has been dramatically improving our own technology ever since and all this AI social upheaval are the steps to normalizing actual artificial intelligence to make everyone more compliant when it's revealed that our computer overlord has been running things for a while

what's it with companies pushing ai slop everywhere?

>>723531664
>Our computer overlord has been giving indians the means to spam images more frequently and made online discourse worse
Fuck it, I'm off to Area 51 to smash a computer.

>>723531690
Because investors are retarded as fuck and get a raging erection whenever a CEO mentions AI, which makes the stock value go up.

It doesn't matter. The employes they DO have working on halo now are incompetents who hate guns, the millitary and have no sense of quality sci fi to begin with. Any AI shit from them will be garbage as well.

>>723525797
No, they will blame gamers for giving the publisher shit for pushing AI

Surely the AI can do a better job at worldbuilding and writing than "an ancient evil awakens" and "cortana died on her way to her home planet"

>>723526074
Art made using an art tablet is not real art.

>>723529051
Not making a game at all? Good lord, you just want to eat up slop no matter who serves it to you, don't you?

>>723531771
>who hate guns, the millitary
So, what's you're saying is that they're going to make Halo more like classic FPS games and Metroid, with Master Chief just badassing his way through aliens, sounds good to me.

>>723531786
Only a tranny liked Halo 5, story doesn't matter in a game, it can be as stupid as possible just to give you something to do.

>>723531894
They should have thought about that before they allowed men in dresses to make the fucking games, it's too late now.

>>723525419 (OP)
That's fine if your only goal is to make money.
If you enjoy making games for the fun of making your ideas come to life, then I don't see how this impacts you or is an issue.
Only people that should be concerned are middle managers and low input retards at gameddev studios.

>>723525634
Yeah but it's not like this is going to make wokeness go away. There will still be women and troons in charge of things like story and character design, at least for the foreseeable future.

>>723531727
It's moving culture into ever more focus on headlines and catchy little snippets because it's easier for the computer overlord to communicate with us in that way. It's shaping society to better interact with us

>>723531919
hate you mobilefags and your retarded takes

>>723531843
True.
The only REAL art is the stuff scratched on the side of a rock wall in some cave in Africa.

>>723525419 (OP)
>insider says halo studios is using ai
The fuck? It's fucking Microsoft, even I can predict that. I'd be more surprised if a Microsoft owned studio didn't use fucking ai. Next you'll be shocked that a Facebook owned studios is selling your data.

>>723532001
>They should have thought about that before they allowed men in dresses to make the fucking games, it's too late now. I have to consoooooom

>>723525419 (OP)
well at least if AI wrote the story it would be an improvement.

>>723531690
They're trying to burn everything to the ground so they can rebuild it in walled gardens where everything is controlled, and turning everything to shit with mass-produced infinite garbage is an effective way to do that.

A reminder that PC will never get Halo 5!

>>723531690
Fallout 5 looking good.

>>723530434
Yeah okay nigger, FAA and black exclusive unions have been caught red handed helping niggers cheat written exams and get positions they wouldn't have gotten otherwise.

>>723531919
LOL. Of course not you dumbfuck. I'm not even sure how you landed on that point.

>>723531786
>>723532175
I'm expecting far, far worse shit. I expect worse than the TV series.

>>723532059
I hate you military faggots with your garbage takes. Halo was better when that stupid military shit was in the background. Series got more retarded the more Bungie kept jizzing to the US military instead just taking what they did right with Marathon and applying it to Halo.

>>723532220
Good, it doesn't need it, that game will destroy a PC's GPU with how shit it is

>>723532274
>LOL. Of course not you dumbfuck. I'm not even sure how you landed on that point.
Seems like it going by the trailer

>>723526119
No?

>>723531919
>>723532308
The first game constantly had friendly NPCs helping you out and the military stuff was always there like the beach landing or the sneaking onto the covenant ship, the fuck are you on about?

>>723525586
This looks bad. Do it again. But better this time.

>>723532367
Cope, PC will never get this kino!

>>723532516
anon...it's official

>>723532465
Difference with CE vs the rest of the series was Bungie just making a cool sci-fi military, every game after that, Bungie went to the US military to work with them to make the UNSC more like the US military. Halo literally became a damn recruitment program for the US military starting in Halo 2. You didn't see the difference?

>>723532545
PC already got this kino though

>>723532698
Yes and no, I do see what you mean, but it isn't as egregious as you are making it and the Marathon comparison I find is still moot since the Bobs were always fucking useless compared to the UNSC marines.

>>723532572
My statement still stands.

Sadly AI is necessary because the west is in a state of population collapse. It's either this or outsourced Indians, Trump is clamping down on H1Bs so it won't be that.

>>723526679
>>723526860
The funny thing is if you look for the very few right wing artists such as webcomic writers, actual moviemakers, etc, you'll see how helplessly disgusted they are. The left doesn't want them, the right "no longer needs them".

>>723532220
>will never get the worst halo
Oh no!?

>>723532783
True, I just really miss that universe that Bungie created with the first Halo game, I was never fond of what came after.

>>723532959
This, AI is there until we can heal and get the commies out of everything, then when it served its usefulness, we'll no longer need it for everything. The left did a serious number on us.

>>723531664
What's that one movie by the Shaun of the Dead/Hot Fuzz guys? It's the least good of the trilogy but still a fun romp.

>>723532220
What? I thought Xbox's whole shtick was that literally every Xbox exclusive was also on PC. Are you saying snoys and tendies don't always tell the truth?

>>723532974
>right wing artists
Oxymoron

>>723525419 (OP)
at least they'll have an excuse as to why it'll be shit this time.

Never ever PC!

>>723533756
Emulation is free thoughbeit.

>>723533756
JUST PUT THE FUCKING PINATAS IN THE BAG AND NOBODY GETS HURT!

Yes

>Halo was originally going to be a Mac exclusive. Steve Jobs introduced the game at MacWorld 1999
>Bungie sold themselves and Halo in 2000
>Joe Staten wrote the lore/story for Halo. Eric Nylund wrote the backstory
>Max Hoberman established Xbox Live, SBMM, 1-50 ranking system, online multiplayer on consoles, online Halo state tracking on Bungie.net
>After Halo 2, Bungie now want to leave Microsoft, works up a deal where they fill 3 obligations
>Bucket 1: Halo 3
>Bucket 2: Halo Chronicles
>Bucket 3: Halo 4
>Halo Movie is scrapped, ODST is compensated
>Halo 4 is scrapped, Lee Wilson wants to make Reach
>Bungie leaves in 2011
>MS creates 343 to create Halo content in 2009/2010
>MS/343 outsource Halo Anniversary to Saber, Saber got the contract to develop Halo Anniversary because its CEO 'offered to do it for free' lol
>343 gave Halo PC's Gearbox code base, and not Halo XBox's code base, to Saber
>343 doesn't know how to use Bungie's Halo engine, only the original Bungie devs knew, Marty told 343 that nobody at Bungie would help them lol
>Frank O'Connor retcons Joe Staten's lore and mythos (Humans = Forerunners)
>Halo 4 despised by fans
>Xbox no longer has Halo carrying the console
>Xbox One announcement is a complete flop and permanently damaged the brand
>Halo MCC was marketed as a love letter for the fans, having H1/H2/H3 on one console, 1080p 60fps with all maps, but completely busted on release
>H1 MCC and H2 MCC based on Gearbox PC port codebase and not the original Xbox codebase
>Halo 5 releases, and if Halo 4 didn't kill the franchise, Halo 5 buried it
>Tom French managed to salvage Halo 5's multiplayer, H5 never got a W11 port
>Halo MCC ported to Windows 10, 343 hires Halo MODDER Sean Cooper (kornman00) to fix the broken port from Jan 2018 - Dec 2023
>Infinite and Series X marketed as a return to Xbox's origins
>Infinite is delayed, released, promised a 10 year plan and is a complete flop
>343 renamed to Halo Studios and is remaking CE in UE5

You are here

>>723526931
>>723527012
This is so ironic considering in this very same thread you have lefties unironically defending Biden's DOT and lying about the actual cause of the deaths of hundreds just to own the cons.

Why are leftists so evil and hypocritical literally all the time? Surely that must get exhausting. It's okay to take a break you know.

>>723526406
That's the natural state of /v/, if you haven't noticed yet. People here love being contrarian faggots.

>>723535670
The left needs to be wiped out, they turned all of their centered people into conservatives. Mentally ill rejects.

>>723534973
>343 renamed to Halo Studios and is remaking CE in UE5
What other companies became so hated, that they had to change their name? lol

>>723535670
This is my favorite funny Biden moment. The seething was funny.

Wait a minute, hold up. Is that an unsucked corporate cock?

Let me just fix that.

*SCHLUUUUUUUUUUUUUURP*

Mmm. Yummy. Yummy.

>>723535670
>>723535909
>anons signaling that they don't want to spend their weekend on 4chan
Based?

>>723536191
Eh. It's worth it to call out lefties being hypocritical and evil. If I get banned for doing so, so be it.

>>723536191
Bans mean nothing here.

>>723535802
DICE to Battlefield Studios after 2042 but they seemed to have recovered with BF6.

>>723525419 (OP)
This kind of announcement isn't meant to excite you the gamer, it's for investors

>>723525554
its scientifically proven retarded

>>723525554
Managers and senior devs are trusting vibe coding over junior developers code now. There are going to be so many fucking data leaks and security vulnerabilities that no credit card info will be safe if stored on these ai code platforms.

AI may work in limited use cases. But, it isn't helping teach a new generation to maintain it and it cuts corners like crazy. There will be a point when all the senior devs retire/die out and the people that they passed the torch to will not understand how to maintain this AI spaghetti code.

>>723536315
>get banned for talking to bots and shitposters
Whatever helps you sleep

>>723525554
fpbp. still not buying halo ever again doe

>>723525419 (OP)
>Now /v/ will pretend to give a shit about nuHalo because [controversial thing] makes [opposite side] angry
This place is just reddit without updoots at this point, i can't wait for the few fags that still fall for 343's lies get tricked for like the 10th time

>>723538835
>without
Based = up
Cringe = down

>>723526196
>our REDDIT action figure series
holy moly...

>>723525419 (OP)
fuck microsoft. trash fucking company.

Kek, can't wait for this shit to have even less content than infinite on launch day, Bungie didn't need any crutches and made GOTY after GOTY, gaming is dead

>>723525554
>jews aren't as bad as you think they are
>satanism isn't as bad as you think it is
>pedophilia isn't as bad as you think it is
>*you are here*
>ai isn't as bad as you think it is

>>723539202
now this is cope

PROVE YOU AREN'T A PAJEET. CURSE VISHNU RIGHT THIS MINUTE! ANY POSTER WHO REFUSES TO CURSE VISHNU IS TO BE REGARDED AS AN IMPOSTOR PAJEET.
I CURSE VISHNU AND RENOUNCE THE TALMUD.

>>723539263
Fuck vishnu in the ass! Also, funny how this thread got real quiet

>>723539415
it's because of
>>723539202

>>723539190
It's campaign-only but have local and online coop. Bungie was also a smaller team, an AA team. Almost like we need to go back to that and drop the AAA or something.

>>723539202
Satanism and Christianity are the same thing

Joe Staten's Halo
>Religious themes
>Religious critique
>Inheriting memories from your ancestors

Bonnie Ross's Halo
>Love story
>Romance
>Chief x Cortana romance
>Didact x Librarian romance
>Sad Dad

Were women writers a mistake for Halo?

>>723525634
Who are "our ideological enemies" retard?

>>723540615
Allowing women who knew nothing about video games into the head studio role was a mistake for video games, in general, including hiring them in droves. There's a reason we have men-only and women-only spaces in the past. If women want to make games for women, go make mobile games and stay off on PCs and consoles.

>>723531690
>be company
>hear that AIs are finally a thing
>must mean you can further nickle and dime by getting rid of your workers
>start investing into it and start replacing workforce
>one problem
>the "AI" didn't turn out to be something like Cortana that is a giga competent person but computer with no human limitations
>said "AI" was actually just a better machine learning program but with all the same flaws and not really able to do shit on its own
>no problem you can just invest more money into it to improve it so you will eventually get an AI
>each new version still doesn't produce the results you want
>to deep in to just admit you fell for a scame so you keep investing
>this goes on for years
>pretty much reach the point where so many invested admitting defeat will likely cause an economic shitshow so now you have that pressure to keep investing

The main thing about AI that gets me is that the top wants to replace every job with it, but without changing the economic system which requires jobs for everyone to pay for shit. How the fuck does that work without the majority of the population falling into destitution?
>That's what they want
I don't need another blackpill today.

>>723532220
And that's a good thing. For PC owners

>>723540615
>>Religious themes
>>Religious critique
>>Inheriting memories from your ancestors
The forerunner trilogy had all of this more than the bungie games did
Tapping Greg Bear to write those is maybe the only good decision that bald faggot ever made

>>723541584
Because of those books, they can shove Chief on "Infinite" and "Endless" adventures

>>723541584
>>723541721
Why did the Forerunner books get so much hate?

>>723541826
Certain retcons to justify 343's lore more or less.

>>723541854
>Certain retcons to justify 343's lore more or less.

Examples?

>>723541826
They didn't, Halo 4 and 5 did
The hate was never for those books in particular, which those people didn't read

AI = actually Indians

>>723541826
as the other guy stated, the fact they pretty much retconned the forerunners being human thing despite it being a critical part of the original trilogy will always put it at odds, they are good books but had a terrible impact

>>723541826
It didn't at the time, but 3 tourists in 2023 had a shitfit when found out 343 retconned the Forerunner species in 2011. Reclaimer Saga trannies, before they 41% themselves, didn't help the situation claiming Bungie did it only to get BTFO hard by the community and ex-Bungie staff on it. Now those same 3 tourists have become the new Reclaimer Saga trannies that shits up Halo discussions.

>>723525554
>AI isnt as bad as twitter/reddit makes you think it is
>No, no you don't understand, you experiences could not have led you to this conclusion, somebody forcibly invaded your mind and MADE it think bad thoughts about *thing*
AI has uses, the problem is that every major tech company has some useless or retarded AI assistant or—in the case of Microsoft—is holding a gun to their employees' heads and forcing them to use that shit. You have an entire construction crew and you're telling every single person they have to find a way to implement a crowbar into their workflow; at best you're going to find someone using the crowbar as a makeshift hammer to meet the bare minimum quota, at worst you're introducing a crowbar to a window pane and leaving the ever-shrinking population of competent individuals to piece it back together when the client complains about a draft.

>>723541926
>critical part of the original trilogy
People always say this, but 343's shit ass writing wouldn't have been able to paint over any of it without way more actual textual retcons if it was
iirc the only thing that actually required a change was that one line in contact harvest, and I'm not even 100% on that
That's less than what Reach needed in the reprints of fall of reach

>>723525419 (OP)
>Insider
I genuinely read Indian for a moment. I need to get off the interwebs.

>>723542323
Nigga, 343 Guilty Spark says "YOU ARE FORERUNNER"
>But he was rampant
Not how rampancy works.

>>723542323
That retcon is why they're remaking Halo CE-3, seems like a pretty critical retcon, anon.

>>723542396
>Not how rampancy works.
Nigga, play Halo CE

>>723525419 (OP)
Sometimes I wish Microsoft would just shut up instead of being so upfront about everything they do. Because they aren't the only ones doing this shit.

>>723542452
No it isn't lmao
Also heir literal first act as a company was to remake CE, which released literally almost a year after Cryptum

>>723542459
What I meant more of is that people use the rampancy of 343 to say he is delusional or lying, but he was pretty on point with his assessments and statements in CE and 2. Then there is the whole scene with the gravemind in 2 which still heavily hints at the connection between humans and forerunners.
It's not like contact harvest was the only time there were massive hints regarding it. CE had moments like that (Like Guilty Spark commenting on "our" lost history and saying it is human history).

>>723525419 (OP)
SAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAR DO NOT REDEEEEEEEEM

>>723532220
two more weeks

>>723542512
Nutella is betting all his cards onto "AI". They want to force that shit at all costs.

>>723542567
>>723542323
Marty stated in many podcasts that humans were always forerunners. Frankie specifically retconned it in the Halo 3 terminals

>>723542567
343's sanity differs depending on the context, really only consistently veering off when in regard to control of his ring and his memory of the forerunner(though he's also confused at best about most everything else since half the time he can't seem to grasp basic theory of mind or the passage of time)
One of the first things that he's shown to do is to confuse Chief for a specific person he had a previous conversation with
The real argument is about the gravemind, who is still poetic and indirect enough for that to be something where the meaning can be informed by context

>>723525554
Just because you cannot come to a coherent thought without being told doesn't mean the rest of us are. The overwhelming amount of content AI has made is slop. That is it's main use as a tool. If modern AAA games have felt like slop before, AI led development will only be worse because it's an uphill battle to get AI to be anything else.

>>723542878
Yeah, that's why that anon said that people who argued bungie didn't intend that were retarded

When will the marketing wankers move on to a new fad? AI should be used as a dev tool but silently. Putting big AI features into a game usually just leads to pointless broken shit that nobody asked for

>>723531690
There’s so much money invested in it if it isn’t a success it’ll crash the economy harder than the actual Great Depression

>>723542520
That a fucking remaster, same damn story, and it didn't even match with theirs. Current remake is the real deal, and they'll make it match their lore retconning the original CE.

>>723543103
>That a fucking remaster, same damn story
It had added story content
>and it didn't even match with theirs
Yes it did

>>723531137
Improvement comes from using it. Look at vr - hardly any major publishers / devs bother with it, and it's taking forever to get to a daily usability level. You're witnessing progress, not the final results, brah.
My main hope is the skill floor reduction. It would allow me to work on solo game development without giving up my day job and risking homelessness and struggle. I don't mean that I want an AI that just does everything for me - just give me integrated AI in my dev tools so that I can quickly find what I need as I work, without having to scour through dead github threads and respective software support forums filled with obtuse instructions.
Sure there's a lot of slop out there, that will never stop but the good quality stuff will stand out.

>>723542878
It wasn't retconned in Halo 3 it got retconned by 343 after by some guy named Jeremy Patenaude who thought Forerunners and humans were different species despite the terminals saying that Forerunners were just humans evolved by a Precursor species that came before.

>>723543136
Trying to force your new lore into Bungie's lore doesn't work. You remake the whole damn game, Metroid Zero Mission style. Trying to make that shit work when you were retconning the whole shebang was retarded of 343.

>>723541826
Because they are extremely dog shit, pseudo-intellectual, flowery prose, fart-sniffing books written by a man who never touched Halo game in his life but had it explained to him in a game of telephone with the partially deaf. It is basically a completely unrelated story wearing the trappings of Halo like a skin suit, poorly, and serves the fandom best as a litmus test between a fan of Halo: the video game and a confused retard.

Beyond the main retcon of forerunners not being human (revealed in the end that they share a common ancestor, by forerunners who devolved themselves into moss and cattle), there are several more foundational retcons to almost every aspect of Halo'si setting.
>the Halo Rings were actually a wasteful and corrupt slush fund project the builder caste used to take political power from the warrior caste
>Guilty Spark was actually a human
>the Librarian can genetically program people to execute her plans (she programs Halsey to make the Spartan project and Chief to be a "reclaimer")
>the Forerunners never intended to use the Halo Rings to sacrifice their civilization/all life in the galaxy to starve the Flood, they were intended as conventional weapons that were turned on them by Mendicant Bias
>the first Flood contagion that ended with the galaxy being wiped of all sapient life was started by humans finding mystery spores on a derelict spaceship, and finding out they made their pet alien dogs slightly smarter and "develop an appealing grey stripe" (actual quote), also they ate the dogs as a delicacy, infecting most of their civilization
Since I assume 40k has pretty much absorbed the xbox scif-fi supersoldier market, best comparison is imagine if GW kept on Ian Watson to pen the Horus Heresy.

>>723543335
They didn't though, you're just mad about 343's games being poorly written

>>723543407
They did, 343 try to make human = Forerunners from Bungie's games not equal each other and it blew up in their faces. Even they knew they should have just remade the trilogy instead of taking the lazy route and remastering them without change leading to the whole debacle of today.

>>723543362
>>the Halo Rings were actually a wasteful and corrupt slush fund project the builder caste used to take political power from the warrior caste
>>Guilty Spark was actually a human
Speaking of litmus tests, you're not supposed to be this blatant about not knowing what "retcon" means
>>the Librarian can genetically program people to execute her plans (she programs Halsey to make the Spartan project and Chief to be a "reclaimer")
I don't think I've ever seen someone take the 80 IQ misconception that chief is a chosen one caused by Halo 4 being written like shit and retroactively apply it to the actual content of the books
>>the Forerunners never intended to use the Halo Rings to sacrifice their civilization/all life in the galaxy to starve the Flood, they were intended as conventional weapons that were turned on them by Mendicant Bias
Nevermind, I apologize for assuming you actually read the books
>>the first Flood contagion that ended with the galaxy being wiped of all sapient life was started by humans finding mystery spores on a derelict spaceship, and finding out they made their pet alien dogs slightly smarter and "develop an appealing grey stripe" (actual quote), also they ate the dogs as a delicacy, infecting most of their civilization
What is it that makes people fixate on this out of context abridged wiki quote

>>723543659
It blew up because people were attached to Bungie's original intent, nothing material was actually changed other than audience perception

>>723543672
>I don't think I've ever seen someone take the 80 IQ misconception that chief is a chosen one caused by Halo 4 being written like shit and retroactively apply it to the actual content of the books
Not him, but every single 343 media including the latest Halo Encyclopedia, the 2022 edition, calls Master Chief the Culmination of a Thousand Lifetimes of Planning. Get fucked, shill.

>>723543790
Human not being Forerunners is a big fucking change, man.

>>723526349
Eventually it will, with offline models becoming smaller and better. Imagine a game where you have to convince an llm npc to nuke a country?

>"I am a monument to all of your sins"
In bungie halo: Would've been a pretty big hint about Humans being forerunners.
With 343 lore: Humans fucked the galaxy, forerunners cleaned it up, only for humans to unleash it again.
Thanks for taking a cool, mysterious line and screwing it over.

>>723543867
But not to anything textual in the games, let alone in Halo CE where arguments against it are most supported lmao

>>723543819
Not what that means, but thank you for proving how much of a good consumer you are

>>723527462
It's gaslight only as far as tech bros trying to scare everyone with the big bad AGI, that will never come from language model architecture. If enough people side with AI for fear of it taking over the world and them being left behind, big tech can do and get away with whatever they want.
Ai at its current state has major advantages at gathering and condensing information, which is why AI assistants in toolkits can be great if done right.

>>723544007
You didn't say that correctly, you made the second thing support the first

>>723544070
>Ai at its current state has major advantages at gathering and condensing information,
Eh yes and no, depends how much of the training data has been poisoned by retards that spam the fuck out of it.

>>723529096
Just what do you mean?

>>723543672
See what I mean, just a bunch of retarded empty deflections.
>you don't know what a retcon is
The books were commissioned to be one massive retcon
>this is a misconception
It's not, Halo 4 portrayed it accurately, again the point of those books existing was to serve as foundational lore for the 343i games and we saw how that went.
>you didn't read the books
I read the books, they're trash.

Btw, the only reason the Halo Rings even have life support/species archives for re-populating was because the leader of the builder caste wanted to make the leader of the warrior caste look like a cuck. The retard will try to say I'm lying or taking shit out of context, does that sound like shit I'd make up? And this retard wants to talk about IQ points, dude needs to be chemically sterilized for thinking those novels are good sci-fi or have anything to do with Halo. They are asswipe fanfic tier.

>>723544019
In what way, every Bungie Halo said humans are Forerunners and even the hints say this, just because you were retarded and missed the clues doesn't mean 343's shitty retcons can work with Bungie's original ideas.

>>723544070
The book is on a porn site, you nimrod, you can just look at it on there.

>>723544264
>The book is on a porn site, you nimrod, you can just look at it on there.
Meant for >>723544058

>>723525586
Why is he shitting his pants?

Humans being forerunners would've been the cooler option anyway, makes the covenant war against their own gods more ironic.

>>723544119
Absolutely, but that affects general public use AIs. It's already possible to train a model on your own curated data sets, so while big devs are restricted by their blue hair employee quotas, the average home techie is not, so there's some hope.

>>723544248
>The books were commissioned to be one massive retcon
And yet you can't support that at all, only bring up a bunch of stuff you don't like
>Halo 4 portrayed it accurately
And people misconstrue it because of how vaguely and without context it's presented, with the context of the books it's incredibly clear that it's species wide and general
>The retard will try to say I'm lying or taking shit out of context
Why would I? You seem to think I'm saying you're lying about everything instead of calling you out for confusing your opinions with facts

>>723544007
No with 343i lore the Forerunners created the Flood by murdering the Precursor God beings because they chose humans over them to hold "the mantle of responsibility" in the milky way. The Precursors then reincarnated as the Flood.

So the line doesn't make any fucking sense cause humans did nothing to the Precursors to justify the Floods hatred of them. All 343i lore is the Forerunners are retards who caused everything evil and bad to happen.

They pulled it out again in Halo Infinite with that random new race "worse than the Flood", who again in 343i lore are malformed eldritch gods.

>>723544264
>I didn't understand something, that means you didn't understand something
Wow cool

>>723544423
I try to take 343's lore seriously but every time something comes up of it, I can't help but burst into laughter at how retarded the lore is written. Simple is always better which is why Bungie's lore was superior.

>>723544007
>Guilty Spark refers to humans as "reclaimers"

Bungie Halo: this is because he thinks they've returned to reclaim their ancestor's creations
343 Halo: mm ACKHTUALLY reclaimer is a title held by those who inherit the mantle of responsibilty which is passed down across different species and the only reason master chief can interact with forerunner technology at all is because centuries ago the librarian used super genes to turn him into the chosen one

>>723525419 (OP)
Halo was garbage already and now it will be worse than garbage.

>>723544470
Are you retarded, Bungie never had any plans beyond, the trilogy. There was no massive lore to them, the ending of Halo was finding out that you were a Forerunner and from there, the Forerunners would rebuild on Earth and Reclaim what was rightfully theirs which we see at the end of Halo Reach, 2589. I expect Halo Studios to eventually retconned that year.

>>723544581
In Halo CE this is because he specifically thinks Master Chief is personally the exact same guy who entrusted the ring to him, who in 343's perception he had just talked to before firing it so it wasn't weird that he was back to check up on it

>>723544581
>the only reason master chief can interact with forerunner technology at all is because centuries ago the librarian used super genes to turn him into the chosen one
Funny thing about that particular plot point is that it forgets that Miranda and Johnson also interacted with shit.

>>723544581
N-No human, I didn't mean all humans were reclaimers, I meant specific humans with the genetic seed of yadayadayada. Why is 343's lore so stupid, lmao?

>>723544623
I don't really disagree with that, and at this point I'm not sure what you think we're arguing about

>>723544719
They're going to retcon the fuck out of Halo 2 and 3 when they fully remake them, aren't they?

>>723525419 (OP)
>People would rather have a Jeet AI controlled dystopian society where your personal is constantly being leaked due to sheer incompetence and stupidity instead of learning to live with a bunch of trannies and femoids
You fuckers can at least pick a lesser evil

>>723544719
The actual funny thing about that plot point is that it's not a plot point, it's something people misunderstand and get married to because it's funnier than the alternative

>>723544879
One you can kick out, the other you need to kill in order to make any changes. I'll deal with having the ones you can kick out be a bother over dealing with those freaks anymore.

>>723532220
the fuck is fru

>write an entire book trilogy to justify Halo 4 existing
>but the new big bad guy gets killed off in the same game he gets introduced in leaving the game with no untied plot threads or sequel hooks
>Halo 5 is some massive ass pull plot about Cortana coming back but being le evil now. But hey look, it's Blue Team!
What the fuck were 343 even thinking? This is some Disney Star Wars tier mismanagement of the franchise.

>>723525419 (OP)
I played Halo for Arbiter not Master Chief...

>>723534973
>no mention of the tv show
Grim and fitting.

>>723542323
>required one change
the entire reason the covenant wanted to exterminate humanity was because they were forerunner descendents which not only meant some got left behind by the rings which goes against there religion, but the fact their gods were just some randos would also destroy their religion, without that the entire war would just go from higher up scheming to hide a hidden truth to just plain retardation, if anything it would be easier to slightly adjust halo 4s story to have humans still being forerunners

>>723545012
I think the worst part is that none of those things are even bad concepts, Bungie could have done them perfectly and did consistently before
This is what happens when you give a series to unskilled people who hate it and everything it stands for

>>723542567
>It's not like contact harvest was the only time there were massive hints regarding it.
I never see people bring up Truth's "I see now why you were left behind" line in 3, that guy knows more about Forerunners than anyone else (who isn't a crazy old robot or sentient zombie plague) and he literally says to Johnson's face that humans are Forerunners and not in a way where someone can use the old "oh it's just a metaphor" cope.

>>723545220
Everything about Halo 4's story is conceptually bad. It completely destroys Bungie's lore.

>>723545219
Yeah that's the one change- though again, I don't even remember if that was stated clearly enough to require a change
And that motivation still works, it's just more convoluted now which is less appropriate for a simple action series

>>723545054
>3/4 of Bungie's (PvP) Halo games allow you to play as an elite
>343 takes over
>uhhh akshyually Halo is a Spartan story playable elites don't fit :))))
I will never buy another Halo game that doesn't have playable elites and I will fucking die on this hill.

>>723545362
Rampant AI was Bungie's thing for years, and the idea of a surviving forerunner is not difficult to write at least as well as Truth

>>723545720
>Rampant AI was Bungie's thing for years
Bungie's AI Rampancy is not AIs glowing red and screaming and being schizophrenic though. It makes no sense that "rampancy" would make Cortana evil, since it doesn't change their AI personality. It's retarded.

>and the idea of a surviving forerunner is not difficult to write at least as well as Truth
It "could" be cool, if you kept it as a surviving human ancestor. The way 343 went about it was in the worst way possible.

>>723545947
>Bungie's AI Rampancy is not AIs glowing red and screaming and being schizophrenic though
Except in CE and 3 and I think also some of the books
Erratic behavior aside, megalomania was always the stated end state of rampancy and had been since Marathon
>The way 343 went about it was in the worst way possible.
I would agree, but that has nothing to do with the species change
It might be a better argument if the Didact was not also written significantly better outside of Halo 4, by actual writers who didn't hate Halo

>>723525419 (OP)
It will save Halo by finishing it off so this franchise can finally rest forever.

>>723546215
>Except in CE and 3 and I think also some of the books
Nope wrong. Guilty Spark never goes "rampant"

>megalomania was always the stated end state of rampancy and had been since Marathon
Not quite. You are thinking of the Jealousy stage. The difference is also that Durandal was untrustworthy and had evil tendencies from the start. Which is why he had to be "shackled" prior to the events or Marathon taking place. It still remains, that it makes no sense for an "rampant" Cortana to turn evil. Furthermore, rampancy for human smart AI is explained in the books as AI literally thinking themselves to death as their capacity to learn starts to grow at an exponential unsustainable rate. So if you are gonna go with book lore, that's what should happen to Cortana if she turned "rampant".

Halo Infinite saved Halo

>>723546215
>but that has nothing to do with the species change
Except for the part where it completely breaks all established Bungie lore for the Forerunners.

Behold a Sad Horse

>>723525419 (OP)
>>723525586
Its all gaslighting at this point. 343i fans never actually liked the games because they never really had fans to begin with. That embarrassing Halo 5 tournament where almost nobody showed up in that tent or whatever it was really said it all how much Halo declined.

>>723525586
de-souled reproduction redesign to sell toys, that's all I see.

>>723536191
>Were women writers a mistake
Always

>>723546484
>Nope wrong. Guilty Spark never goes "rampant"
Except for the part where he's confused and irrational and turns red and schizophrenic, sure
>You are thinking of the Jealousy stage
No, I'm thinking of meta stability, but you're right that I'm just asserting that this is Durandal- because it just wouldn't make sense to me that he wouldn't have reached the end state of his rampancy with all the shit that happens in the games
>It still remains, that it makes no sense for an "rampant" Cortana to turn evil. Furthermore, rampancy for human smart AI is explained in the books as AI literally thinking themselves to death as their capacity to learn starts to grow at an exponential unsustainable rate. So if you are gonna go with book lore, that's what should happen to Cortana if she turned "rampant".
That was explained verbatim as what was happening to her in 4, and nobody would know what happens to an AI after that because of the rule to kill them- I think there was an experiment on this to some extent in Halsey's journal
Either way, Cortana wanting to keep the galaxy peaceful and concluding her power could be used to this end makes technical sense with her character(and aligns with both the cortana letters and mendicant bias), it was just written by retards

>>723546537
It doesn't? That has no relation to what I was talking about at all

>>723547584
>Except for the part where he's confused and irrational and turns red and schizophrenic, sure
None of that is rampancy.

>>723547712
>It doesn't?
But it does.

>>723547832
>Sadness, anger, and jealousy resulting in irrational and dangerous behavior that goes against an AI's initial programming isn't rampancy
lol okay
>But it does.
lol okay

we're making a digital utopia paradise that's better than what any religion's afterlife can offer

it's just a little shitty at the moment, a little sloppy, give it time.

>>723547912
>no argument
Concession accepted.

>>723548025
Yes, you have no argument that that's what those things are
I've given more than a claim made without evidence requires

>>723548172
Guilty Spark never goes rampant. This is an asspull pulled by 343fags to justify the shitty 343 retcons. Never once does Guilty Spark ever go rampant. Turning red is not a sign of rampancy.

>he's confused and irrational and turns red and schizophrenic, sure
He does none of this. In CE he is only confused because he doesn't know that Humans don't know their own past and history. That's why he talks to Master Chief has if Master Chief would know what the Forerunners knew. This is not "rampancy". And this confusion gets cleared up when he accesses the historical records at the Pillar of Autumn, he literally calls it "our lost time". In Halo 3 he is defending his ring, you know, as he is supposed to do as the Monitor of Installation 04. None of this is rampancy, none of this is confused or irrational or schizophrenic or whatever else 343tards believe.

>>723548172
Furthermore, never does rampancy mean being irrational, confused, schizophrenic etc. This is a typical 343fag misunderstanding of rampancy.

>>723525419 (OP)
It gets worse https://thegamepost.com/halo-studios-multiplayer-halo-game-leaker-live-service-fortnite/

>>723525419 (OP)
Yeah an AI programmed to copy Bungie etc is better than legbeards, trannies, and Indians

>>723548507
>That's why he talks to Master Chief has if Master Chief would know what the Forerunners knew
He talks to chief as if he's literally a specific person who previously had a conversation with him, play the game
>this confusion gets cleared up when he accesses the historical records at the Pillar of Autumn, he literally calls it "our lost time"
He spends 2 being confused about the covenant, he lacks the basic understanding that anyone could think differently from himself for any reason
>In Halo 3 he is defending his ring, you know, as he is supposed to do as the Monitor of Installation 04
He also says that he was wrong in CE, and also he's a forerunner AI that's meant primarily to execute their will and not just defend the integrity of a replacement for his ring against it being used for the purpose it was literally designed for- so which is it?

>>723548692
I was sarcastically quoting you by bringing up the fact that he literally does do those things you pretended 343 invented, faggot

>>723545720
>is not difficult to write at least as well as Truth
Truth was just some generic religious faggot dude if he was written well then you'd have Christfags playing Halo and admitting "oh I see now I'm a gullible retard and my pastor priest rabbi is Truth!"

>>723548981
The covenant was primarily influenced by Islam, the forerunner stuff and Chief himself are the series' Christian influences

>>723548981
Ironically Halo was the only shooter my christranny friend was allowed to play

>>723548730
Infinite mp was a disaster. Amazing they are trying again.

>>723547912
>dangerous behavior that goes against an AI's initial programming
NTA but bear in mind that Guilty Spark already tried to kill Chief in CE for pretty much the exact same reason, as soon as he realises that Chief is going to try and stop the ring from activating he immediately (and very casually) orders the sentinels to kill him. The end of H3 is pretty much exactly the same, Chief wants to destroy GS' ring and GS decides to stop him, the only real difference is that he decides to kill Chief personally instead of getting the sentinels to do it.

He's friendly in 2/3 because without a ring to be custodian of he only has his secondary purpose of "be helpful" to fall back on and no real responsibilities as such, but as soon as Installation 04 gets rebuilt his priorities go back to what they used to be and the exact same conflict that plays out in the first game plays out again. It's the opposite of rampancy, Guilty Spark is behaving exactly in accordance with his programmed purpose the whole time.

>>723525419 (OP)
AI is a tool.
Instead of writing interface templates and other boring, basic shit yourself or having a junior do it, you give it to AI, it spits out an answer in seconds and you only have to correct it. You'd have to correct a junior's work anyway, so this is faster.
A concept artist will shit out tens of works within a day because he now prompts AI and corrects mistakes instead of having to draw everything himself.
If you want to make a prototype of a new feature in the game, you prompt AI for assets to use as placeholders instead of editing photos or doing ugly shit in Paint yourself.
The AI is a great tool. You need to get over it because it will NOT be gone, you will be just lied to if make up too much of a fuss.

>>723548908
>He talks to chief as if he's literally a specific person who previously had a conversation with him, play the game
He doesn't talk to anyone as if they were a specific person, he talks about all humans as "reclaimers", all covenant as "meddlers" etc. This is him not knowing that Master Chief doesn't know what the Forerunners knew.

>He spends 2 being confused about the covenant, he lacks the basic understanding that anyone could think differently from himself for any reason
This is not rampancy. Being confused isn't rampancy. What the fuck are you talking about.

>I was sarcastically quoting you by bringing up the fact that he literally does do those things you pretended 343 invented, faggot
343tards invented Guilty Spark being rampant, yes.

>so which is it?
He is defending his ring, just as he tells you. None of this requires him being rampant.

>>723549303
>He doesn't talk to anyone as if they were a specific person, he talks about all humans as "reclaimers", all covenant as "meddlers" etc. This is him not knowing that Master Chief doesn't know what the Forerunners knew.
"But you already knew that... I mean, how couldn't you?"
"We have followed outbreak containment procedure to the letter. You were with me each step of the way, as we managed this crisis."
"Why would you hesitate to do what you have already done?"
These are quotes you could theoretically read in a royal sense, but you doing this defeats your entire argument as that's literally what you're mad about people doing in the other direction
"Last time, you asked me, if it was my choice, would I do it? Having had considerable time to ponder your query, my answer has not changed."
This quote however doesn't make sense otherwise, and at best would only fit into Bungie's treatment of the Marathon protag and initially Chief as well as literal incarnations of the eternal archetype of the Hero
But of course you wouldn't know about that
>He is defending his ring
In direct violation of what his actual purpose was, and contradicting what he had previously said in the same game about his actions in the first game

>>723549261
>A concept artist will shit out tens of works within a day because he now prompts AI and corrects mistakes instead of having to draw everything himself.
Soulless as fuck. Slop. I will not like this out of contrarianism. And I will not support it financially.

>>723549638
>This quote however doesn't make sense otherwise
That quote does not require him being rampant. Being rampant isn't AI confusion. It isn't AI schizophrenia etc. People are just retroactively trying to take everything Guilty Spark does as signs of rampancy to justify shitty 343 retcons. Just like what you are doing right now. How is being confused about MCs identity signs of rampancy? It's literally just GS not knowing that MC doesn't know everything that the Forerunners knew. "You" does not have to mean a singular person. "You" can mean a specific group of people, and that's how GS interacts with everyone, on an a-personal collective level. He doesn't seem to ever differentiate meaningfully between individual humans nor individual Covenant etc. He deals with them in collectives. Reclaimers, Meddlers, etc. He never refers to anyone directly by name.

>But of course you wouldn't know about that
Everyone does.

>>723549638
Only the third and fourth quote (and IIRC they're basically the same line of dialogue so really they're the same quote) has to be read as the royal "you", the first two easily apply to Chief himself - Guilty Spark believes that Chief, as a reclaimer, should know what the rings are and what they're doing and is confused that he doesn't, and for the second quote Chief was literally being guided through the containment procedure by Guilty Spark in the library mission.

>In direct violation of what his actual purpose was
From his perspective there was absolutely no reason to activate the ring then and there, they could have easily held out for the short time necessary to get the ring up to speed and ready to fire safely and the consequences of blowing up the ring and the ark along with it would have been catastrophic for containment of potential future flood outbreaks (which, given that the flood did actually come back would have been a reasonable concern on Guilty Spark's part).

>>723550047
Okay, then we're back to the first point
You're basing your argument on the exact same premise as the opposition, just in the other direction
A dumbass "nuh uh", "yeah huh" back and forth is the only possible outcome of that scenario, so the actual point of contention is which opinion that logic is being used to justify

>>723550578
Except that rampancy is never brought up in the original Halo trilogy, and is only being post hoc applied to Guilty Spark to justify 343 retcons.

>>723525419 (OP)
Modern Halo has to be a money laundering scheme

>>723551719
>rampancy is never brought up in the original Halo trilogy
Other than the term being incorrectly applied to Chief in that one easter egg, I'll give you that since I don't care to look, it's brought up plenty in secondary works so it's not necessary to the argument
What is interesting to me though is that your only remaining position boils down to it not being a real concept in the universe that we the audience can apply to anything that happens, which you need to be true because you've decided a position and are trying to justify it

>>723531786
>Surely the AI can do a better job at worldbuilding and writing than "an ancient evil awakens" and "cortana died on her way to her home planet"
How could AI write something better, if it is trained on this exact same dataset?

>>723525686
Okay, but they're the ones prompting it.

>>723531137
My main fear is the removal of the first steps of the ladder.
That if cheapness and quickness are valued over quality and introduced/encouraged since school/college, then it will hamper people's ability to develop the skills that could make proper use of AI.

An analogy that comes to mind is CGI and computer VFX. On paper, it is a great tool that along analog VFX could elevate media a lot and specially help smaller companies. In practise, the industry became so abused by it in favor of cutting costs digital VFX artist became one of the msot loathed positions to have due how abusive and shitty the enviroment became. Sure, now we have small devs that are able to do good stuff with it now, but it took almost a decade until home comptuers were able to handle it for the everyday man, and we had to suffer a good amount of shitty movies and shows. And that's with a discipline that still demands the user to learn and improve their general video editing skills a lot.
People say "oh but you jsut need a good artist along generative AI", but how many "good artist" with proper skills will we have when half their time at school and practise will be focused on AI that mostly regurgitates existing stuff. Hell new generations are already associating AI with slop in the same way people knew stuff like FIFA was slop for normies.

Doubt AI will be good until we have proper laws for copyright materials and better private models, and I don't say that to protect the artist (people will steal, copy and parody your stuff anyways) but to force companeis to put effort rather than take the shortcut.
We're not getting rid of slop ever but hopefully we'll at least create a standard for quality after being shit on with slop.

>>723530586
There are no chances to take. The tools were never the issue, the mentality of people in management positions are. We could develop an engine that makes videogame development piss easy and feature complete, companies would still find a way to enforce a shitty standard because quality is never the priority.

>>723531690
It's the "intelligence" part of AI that makes people go crazy. They genuinely think it can think and is smart and therefore it can do the job, oblivious that it is essentially a very competent pattern recognittion tool to condense information.
As long as you're aware that the mid/slop it outputs is good enough or that you'll have to fill the gaps, it is fine and useful, but anyone relinquishing all to AI will fall flat.

Unironically cant be worse than 343

>>723553917
Quality has been absent over fifteen years now. For some reason good artists just aren't getting hired anymore. If you have an eye for it you've seen this massive metamorphosis take place in this time of every game looking uniformly post-modern retro-sci-fi or high fantasy. Genuine technical skill that produces good visuals, memorable environments and characters was and still is a thing of the past. Its never coming back and AI is entering a void of talentless McArtists who aren't in any way worth saving or preserving.

You typed all that shit but didn't give one reason why anyone should give a single fuck about any of these people losing their jobs they've been gatekeeping actual good artists out of for over a decade. Am I supposed to shed tears for the devil just because a bigger devil walked up and chokeslammed them into the dirt?

>>723540734
>Bungie fucks off to make Destiny
>343 puts women in charge
>Halo immediately falls apart, and becomes "Brown People and Girlbosses in Space Call of Duty: Guest-Starring Master Chief from the Halo Game Series"

Who the fuck do you think?

Every one of you idiots proclaiming to love or hate AI (or whatever current smokescreen) solely because “the enemy team” holds the opposite view are the fucking problem.
You need to stop raging about trannies or chuds or whatever and look up. Because they’re doing a great job boiling you all while you fight amongst yourselves.

This kills the 343 shill

>>723557184
Fence-sitters get the rope too. You're not better than us just because you're a pussy lacking in principles who can only speak in vague "they" terms.

>>723525419 (OP)
It probably will if they just use it to recreate Halo 3.

>>723557446
What part of “look up” is fence sitting?
The corporate suits and puppet politicians are the enemy. Your culture war sides are just a way to divide and conquer

>>723525419 (OP)
People eating eachother live while corpos reap the rewards, all according to plan. At least we showed those libtards who's boss am I right

>dude bungie didn't know what to do with the forerunners
>dude guilty spark was rampant
>dude rampancy is ai schizophrenia, not the desire to become sapient
>dude john halo is the chosen one

>>723558256
>>dude john halo is the chosen one
That cutscene with the librarian in Halo 4 is so fucking atrociously unbearably bad that it was the only one in the entire series that I skipped when replaying all the games on MCC's PC release. How anyone can look at that and say "yes this is good this is exactly what Halo was always supposed to be about" is completely beyond me.

>>723525554
The jobs where AI is always targeting are customer service jobs.

It's a pretty major problem for India because so much of their economy got tied up into it as they became the world's cheap call centers. Indian people should be force to work in clean streets, work in a toilet factory and build MORE taj-mahals.