Thread 723543727

Can we get a VtMB2 hype thread going?

The world building looks seriously impressive.

The devs had a singular vision and they delivered.

Which bloodline will you be maining first, /v/?

good morning

>>723543727 (OP)
Fuck off, shill
>>723470737
>>723358153
>>723442557
>>723524842

Shilling on a Saturday, you fucking piece of shit. I hope immigrants throw hand grenades into your bedroom while you sleep.

>>723544013
>>723543967
>>723543796
Videogames?

sneed

Looks like it’s getting a lot of 7/10s.

Sounds like a worthy sequel.

>>723544417
hahahahahahahaha

>>723544553
Name a game with better art direction.

Pro-tip: You can’t.

>>723544553
That's AI, right? Or sped up animations? This is genuinely some of the worst I've seen.

>>723544417
delusional

>>723544645
Animation with missing frames, because everyone is copying that nigger spiderman movie and the kpop movie

>>723544663
The low rankings are mostly from toxic chuds reviewbombing the game because they can’t shoot women in the streets.

>>723544553
Is this some technical problem with the recording?

>>723544938
I just played it at 0.5x speed and the head still bobs around weirdly

Paradox has even paid streamers to play Chinese Room's other walking sim, "Still runs the deep" to try and drum up goodwill towards this turd.
But all it does is show that the devs are incapable of handling this genre of game.

>>723544770
>shill so mind broken he can't read

>>723543727 (OP)
>mfw walking sim devs resent having actual gameplay in their game

vtmb: yet another wod game flatlines too
hopefully the entire wod ip will finally be put out of its misery after this.

It's gonna be grea- erm...it's gonna be...decent? At Gamescoom?

>>723545131
You assume maliciousness where ineptitude will do just fine.

>>723545235
Paradox already said they never wanna make another one of these and if VTMB3 ever happens, they'll lease it out
Given they are publicly traded nowadays, you're probably in luck and they'll shelve the IP forever

>>723545284
They know VtMB is a cult classic.

>>723545284
Believe me, the devs are better off with me thinking they're competent but evil

Abandonned the thread where you get shit on to start a new one I see, as usual.

>>723544703
but that's clearly not what it is because there are no fucking missing frames you fucking retard holy shit. It's just handmade animation that is comically overaninated for a game with such a photorealistic artstyle. It is amimated as if it is a cartoon for kids, it looks like Star Wars: The Clone Wars

>>723545316
I would to see the pitch from TCR that convinced Paradox to give them money, but now after seeing reviews and gameplay (or rather lock thereof) videos I suspect it was simply "please, we’ll salvage the game for a very, VERY cut rate price."

>>723544553
You guys are laughing at the technical prowess, I am scratching my head when it comes to story.
Not only "your dorky, unassuming waifu is the main villain all along" a really cheap twist, because that's essentially a twist from The Scary Movie, but played straight, I also have an issue with the Sabbat Tremere.
After Revised, those fucks shouldn't exist, because the Tremere VERY thoroughly wiped them all out. Also, the Sabbat really doesn't give a fuck about the Tremere in their ranks, so they will probably try to kill them as well.

>>723544770
>The low rankings are mostly from toxic chuds reviewbombing the game
Shill-chan...those chuds are critics like IGN...

>>723545562
>your dorky, unassuming waifu
Literally fucking who?

>>723545537
overconfidence is a slow and insidious killer

>>723545595
Not true, dude was always lying. It usually gets me killed in one or two turns

>>723545474
Take your meds schizo.
We just want to discuss this new modern classic.

HUZZAH

No weapons AT ALL is a huge huge fucking mistake

>>723545678
blast status?

>>723544635
E:33, Persona 5, KCD2, Digimon Time stranger, Cyberpunk 2077 to name a few

>>723545661
>new modern classic
How much money did they spend on this, anyway?
How does it compare to the greats?

>>723545661
>new modern classic
come on bro, could you pretend better ? the shill's about to blow his brains out.

>>723543727 (OP)
HYPE
Let's go PIRATE chads
Because you're not retaded enough to give money to scammers, right?

I will play it when it's 75% off in 3 months

>>723545776
just pirate the gog version and laugh for free

>>723545772
Piracy is against the law and you could end up in prison.

Besides, we need to support devs who make the games we love.

>>723545586
Who the fuck knows besides the shills. Normal people don't care about that shit until AFTER they've played a game.

>>723543967
I'm convinced you're an undercover marketer as you are in every vtmb thread and bump it every time. You are doing their work for free.

A cobbled-together walking simulator with a dead world and poorly paced linear narrative that’s unconvincingly pretending to be an action RPG. Vampire: The Masquerade – Bloodlines 2 is a disaster and not the sequel its legendary predecessor needed or deserved.
>Pros
+It can look pretty nice
>Cons
-Terrible pacing
-Lifeless, empty world
-Boring story
-Atrocious combat
-Plenty of technical issues
OHNONONONO

>>723544553
>Unnaturally stiff animations while snapping to various poses in lightspeed

Did they miss some joints while rigging the models or something? This looks fucking atrocious.

>>723545839
The entire game has been spoiled and can be watched on Youtube. It's the supposedly detective "whodonnit" story with the most ridiculous answer you can think of.

Why didn't they just choose to make a good video game? Why wasn't that a choice?

>>723546024
>lightspeed
The video is sped up.

>>723544553
That is a man baby

>>723545865
Disinterested third party here, he is right about the shill. I've posted in VTMB2 threads maybe a couple dozen times over the years and there was always that one dude desperately trying to pretend the game was gonna be good. I was gonna list all his talking points here but if you know, you know. My favorite recent one was "game doesn't need a Malk because Fabien is already that"

>>723546038
Spoonfeed me the link, youtube doesn't let you search for leaks

>>723546163
I've seen this picture with this exact filename posted about a dozen times and every time it's just you whining. What's your problem?

>>723544553
the fuck is this animation?

>>723546332
What a beautiful demonstration of selection bias, thanks anon

Shilling on the Lord's weekend
They don't call them parakikes for nothing eh

>>723545865
>marketing the game by pointing out how shit it is and that there is a shill
>points out i am in every thread thus indirectly admitting that he is as well
You fuck up in the most retarded ways posible. I just hate you because you're a shill, I get satisfaction from watching you sperg out and not be able to suck this game off. When you stop so will I.

damn. even the no standards gamer girls are ripping this a new one

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VX_gXQMZc38

>>723546163
Honestly I find it more funny that a game from 20 years ago mogs this shit so hard.

>>723546531
>Written by Bertie Purchese and narrated by Zoe Delahunty-Light
It's not the gamer girl who played it. Also do not google her name

>>723546393
You can't gaslight me when the archives exist.

>>723546504
>not be able to suck this game off.
That's not even what he's doing because he clearly doesn't care, he's just copy pasting dev talking points and nonsensical shit from a notepad of gayass "convo starters" nobody cares about.
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You're as delusional as the Chinese Room if you think he gives a shit about this game or your opinions. All he wants is fill the post quota and prove he made the threads so he'll get paid.

>>723544553
These stiff, unnaturally jerky animations look like those parody video game mockups that are sometimes done for movies.

>>723546656
Oh I guess you need some spoonfeeding. Sorry, here comes the airplane, open up!
What I am getting at is that you're only selecting his posts where he uses a "this is bullshit" reaction image to determine his personality, because they're the only ones you know are from him. You do not consider the thousands of other posts he makes because you wouldn't know they are from him

>>723546706
It's very clearly meant to look like the shit Sony churns out.
>Into the MasqueradeVerse

>>723543727 (OP)
>Can we get a VtMB2 hype thread going?
No we can't. Cringe setting, cringe game, cringe shill.

>>723546725
I don't know, I think I can easily discern what kind of poster he is without a thorough psychoanalysis.

>>723544663
What went wrong? Not enough trannies?

>>723544663
I guess the return to form is off the table then?

>>723546952
>continues to showcase selection bias
Fascinating

A lot of people are going to be eating crow on Tuesday. The right people are saying this is a another unique cult classic.

>>723543727 (OP)
Can we fuck Lou?

>>723547089
lookin good

I will be playing it next week. I'm hoping for the best because I've liked a bunch of games that critics didn't care for. I liked Homefront 2. I liked VTM Swansong. I would have liked the Saints Row reboot if the writing had been better. The game's mid as fuck reviews are not a death sentence. The real test here is how the average gamer like you or I perceives it. Dragon Age Veilguard got good reviews but people hated the game. It's not apples to apples, but sometimes audiences view a game differently. Terminator Resistance got really good audience reception because people liked the writing and characters and atmosphere. Critics thought it was terrible.

I have heard performance is ROUGH, though. Apparently it has significant traversal stuttering issues.

>>723545693
That was when I knew it was fucked. Why would anyone at Chinese Room think it is a good idea to limit build variety. It isn't like it was to save time or money, since the game already has guns and you can buy any gun you want with animations for your game off the asset store for like $10/gun.

>>723547241
>I liked garbage
Then you'll love this

>>723546024
>Prerelease build
>Sped up
>Compressed into a webm at a lower framerate
Don't fall for bait this easy next time.

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>>723547252
so is the entire game just running around punching people then with the odd vampire power?

>>723547194
>Nooooo! I can only play 10/10 critics games!!!
You're worse than paradox shills.

>>723546952
But I haven't made ANY of those posts and I saved this image in 2019 with this filename, you stupid faggot.

>>723547194
>Filters journos
Holy based. This might be more than GOTY. This could be epoch-defining.

>>723547252
The game has weapons. You can use any gun you find. The combat loop is heavily built around snatching guns from enemies. This is a design idea that originated in the cancelled version. As Chris Avellone noted on his twitter the game TCR have made has inherited a lot of design choices, decisions made many years ago.

I think the issue is that they probably should have split this between clans. So that some clans are focused on melee +snatching guns with telekinesis. While others use swords and stuff like that. There's a kind of odd creative uncertainty that underpins the whole project.

>>723544553
>they bite the shit out of each other
my kek

>>723547371
No, you can use any weapon that enemies have. Shooting people is a major mechanic in the game, just like in the Hardsuit Labs version.

>>723544553
That's GOTY right there.

>>723547527
>decisions made many years ago.
And none of them good.
Shame they didn't have the balls or the creativity to come up with anything good.

Ah well, not like anyone expected anything but a dumpster fire at a sewage plant.

>>723547371
Yep. Only 4 enemy "types", but all just come down to punching.

Most of the game is actually just walking though. The vast majority of missions are simply "go talk to this person across the map" with no forced combat at all. Before you think "well hey, so was disco elysium", keep in mind that you are being forced to walk back and forth the same long routes across the map each time, there are no build checks in combat, and choices only influence the story in a couple very obvious moments and even then in a Mass Effect 3 style where it mostly just changes who is standing where in a cutscene.

>>723547527
>Use any weapon
But you can't keep them or reload. Or retain them when walking through doors or loading screens lmao.

>>723547740
You can't carry guns between areas in mirror's edge or superhot, either. The whole point is that guns are temporary. This was a core idea in Hardsuit's version. This reboot has just inherited it.

>>723544553
We're like peasants living in wooden shacks in the ruins of Rome

>>723547859
>This was a core idea in Hardsuit's version
And that somehow justifies it or makes it less retarded in your mind, how??

>>723547859
Doubling down on a bad idea doesn't make it good.

>>723547984
You can tell they are Chinese Room employees anxious about the upcoming layoffs. They are no longer trying to shill the game as much as they are just trying to point fingers at anyone else to keep their jobs.

>>723543727 (OP)
Can't wait for this game to release so the retarded shill who has been shilling this garbage for months will finally fuck off

Yeah TCR made this game as low budget/low effort as possible to make this disappointment im surprised that paradox even kept going with this

Seeing the new shill talking points distributed now. The new narrative is that reviews are unfair because they reviewed the game as an RPG, when its actually an immersive sim like Dishonored.

>>723547683
>walking sim developer makes walking sim
wish i could have taken bets on this

>>723543727 (OP)
>Bad Reviews from critics
Maybe this shit will be good, i will wait a week and for steam reviews

>>723543727 (OP)
WHAT THE FUCK MEANS "THE SIDEQUESTS ARE REPEATED CONTENT" YOU INCOMPETENT LAZY FUCKS FUCK YOU FUCK YOU

>>723548137
Paradox owns the tabletop game now. They are willing to eat a bit of loss on the game to pickup some tabletop activity. Any new tabletop players are valuable because tabletop community spends obsene amounts on the hobby and the profit margins are astronomical.

>>723547420
>>723547514
>heh bad scores are good actually
Yeah and I like how it also looks like shit, lacks basic features of the original and is woke. All of those are good, right

>>723548298
That's been debunked already. What they are calling repeated content is missions of the same type. Like there is an Assassin vampire who gives you various assassin contracts across the map. Retarded journos called this "repeated content" even though each assassination target is different. Just pure journo retardation again.

>>723548298
Radiant quests like in Starfield.
You'll NEVER run out of content. The game is INFINITE HOURS long.

>>723548458
Yeah that is repeated content, dumbass. Unless there's a story tied to each one, it's just a random NPC you need to kill

>>723548458
Seethe more, shill

>>723548298
>>723548458
The criticism is that the assassination targets are the same kind of mission, and there's no real narrative attached to make them interesting. A much better way to decide would have been forcing the player to track down the target and also weigh up whether killing them is justified. But the game doesn't do that. The side missions feel very undercooked in the same way the sidequests in Homefront The Revolution did.

>>723543727 (OP)
Vampire: The Masquerade – Bloodlines 2 is the definition of a crying shame. Clumsy writing and flat, repetitive world design expose a handful of good ideas that never take root, while its poor technical quality and unstable performance will render it unplayable for some. The result is a half-baked, blunt-toothed action-mystery hybrid that disappoints at almost every turn, struggling to leave even the ghost of a good impression.
GamesRadar+
sounds like shit to me.

Like holy shit, it's not even that subtle.

>>723548449
>Journos have impeccable taste and their word is gospel!
Fuck off kike. The world is done getting their opinions from kikes.

>>723548469
No, there's 3 sidequests each in-game night, and the game ends after 9 nights. It's not infinite.

>>723548458
>That's been debunked

I'll take "things the shill can't go a thread without saying" for 400, thanks.

>>723548353
>Paradox owns the tabletop game now.
Don't they want to sell the IP after the one-two punch disasters that's been a new WoD tabletop lineup, starting with V5 and the slew of videogames that were mid at best, culminating in an apparent disaster that is BL2?
This is Disney Star Wars level of incompetence in handling the IP.

>>723548605
He's openly breaking the masquerade wtf are the camarilla doing???

>>723548516
>Muh story
Holy shit they current state of nu-/v/. What happened to playing a game for mechanical mastery of it? Maybe its just a generational thing, but I do not care at all what "story" reasons the game gives to kill an NPC. I just want the challenge of killing them.

>>723545562
>"your dorky, unassuming waifu is the main villain all along" a really cheap twist, because that's essentially a twist from The Scary Movie
That's the twist in Chaos;Child and weebs think it's one of the best visual novels ever made LMAO

>>723548561
Reviews are heavily divided on the writing, I've noticed. Some people really love the writing and characters. Other people don't. One of the Baldur's Gate 3 developers tried to make the argument that "a game for everyone is a game for no-one" in the context of VTMB2. But it's easy to say that when your game is universally acclaimed.

>>723545586
Look at the subtitles of that webm, the weird monster is this Tremere chick from the trailers

>>723545562
I thought she was just pretending to be Tremere.

>>723548671
>mid at best
Swansong was 2022 GOTY honestly

>>723544553
>>723543727 (OP)
WHY IS IT HARD FOR THESE DEVELOPERS TO GIVE FANS WHAT THEY WANTED?
WHY CAN'T THEY JUST SIT THEIR ASSES DOWN, AND TAKE NOTES AS TO WHY PEOPLE LOVE THE ORIGINAL AND JUST RECREATE IT!? IT SHOULDN'T BE THAT HARD! You don't need fallout 4/ deus ex man human resolution dialog choices and a voice protagonist. That wasn't in the original so why the fuck you would add it?!

>>723548814
Swansong is an example of a game that could absolutely be saved if UE4 had easy mod support. The core of the game is really good. It has a good story. It has generally solid, if ill-tuned mechanics.

>>723548835
Because Hardsuit Labs had a vision and The Chinese Room are bound by honour to make sure the game is every bit as shit as it was always meant to be.

>>723543727 (OP)
>Forced to play a character
>Not only that, but an elder
Could be the best gameplay of any game ever and I wouldnt buy. I want my own character, and I want to start from the bottom

>>723548941
to be fair the OG fledgling got amped by Cain into being an elder too.

>>723548458
HOLY SHIT ONE TIME THE TARGET WAS CALLED MIKE AND ANOTHER TIME IT WAS CALLED JOHN
THE AMAZING VARIATION

https://youtu.be/9PwvUtjRDD4?si=K9QfnEjjd3Iw-9bt

This is what they took from you.

>>723548809
No, she actually IS a Tremere, which is bullshit, because that means the notoriously paranoid Tremere can't keep tabs on their own.
And apparently she's the leader of Sabbat in this region, which is double bullshit because that makes her even more notorious. Not to mention nobody at Sabbat would even allow a Tremere to hold any meaningful position in the sect. The Tzimisce will make sure of that.
Tremere joining Sabbat is a death warrant for every idiot who thinks it is a good idea, because that this point Camarilla wants to kill you, the Tremere want to kill you and Sabbat wants to kill you.

>>723548975
>I AM BEING OVERLY REDUCTIVE!!!
Boom! Got em!

>>723545562
She's Tzimisce

>elder vampire on predictable revenge plot mission has time to do side quests
Is there a single solitary aspect of this project that doesn't read like satire?

>>723548835
Chinese Room was hired to quickly make a functional game from the assets the other devs had made. Nothing more, nothing less. So they just made a generic AAA sloppa.

>>723548941
Nah, better an elder than a thin blood faggot.
I want to play a Methuselae wrecking havoc.

>>723549056
Tremere can not keep tabs on their own. Thats the whole thing of current Tremere, the Pyramid is gone thanks to the second inquisition.

>>723544553
Unironically, some porn animators have the same animation style. All porn animators are amateurs, btw.
Look at the portfolio of some junior level animators, if you want to see the real deal.

>>723549113
She's actually a Tremere. The plot revolves around some blood curse the PC has. Hey, I wonder who inflicted them with it. It turns out it's some kind of Safia keikaku to control Phyre and use them against the Camarilla and then have some even more ancient vampire possess them or something. It's stupid.

Its funny how all the defense of this game is just tearing down other games now. Does Paradox really think "That 2004 classic you loved was really shit!" is an effective way to sell the sequel?

>>723544553
>Watched Arcane once

>>723549304
So how did she replace the real Safia?

>>723549316
Yeah, when anyone says it's a buggy and unfinished POS someone always chimes in with "just like the original LMAO".

>>723545772
I actually preordered it, deluxe edition even, just cause it's bloodlines and I have fond memories of vtm from 20 years ago. But after seeing shit like this>>723544553 and watching other videos, I refunded it yesterday and bought Code Vein 2 instead, will pirate bl2.

>>723549235
The Camarilla Tremere actually got their shit together recently and it's mostly back to status quo with them. They are even keeping track of those Carna retards hoping she will eventually kill herself.
And there is some offshoot of Sabbat Tremere running around, but they are usually shot on sight like it's a hunting season.

>>723549316
No, it's not an incorrect observation. Most sidequests in VTMB1 are not actually super different to 2. It's just that 1 does a better job of making them mini-stories. 2 falls flat there. If they wanted to focus on improving the game post-release making those side missions more narratively engaging would be a great way to do it.

>>723549242
Have you seen some recent big weg releases? They shit all over that vomit chinese room did in animation department

>>723549095
That is literally the complaint with the missions, shillnigger

>>723549048
Don't pretend the old version didn't look like utter shit

>>723549242
>All porn animators are amateurs, btw.
>t. haven't seen any animated porn in his life
I dare you to look at Noname55 and Tektah and say with a straight face they're amateurs

>>723549380
She never replaced real Safia, Safia was a Sabbat plant all along. Which makes no sense lorewise, because that means she would've been New Mexico'd in the 90's, but sure, TCR, let's go with that.

The only thing that could salvage this game is if they included Rudi.

>>723549454
A lot of the animation in BL2 is quite good. A bit stiff in places, but overall animation quality isn't a huge issue.

>>723549495
Okay, that's odd, because the Russian who leaked about her being the twist villain claimed she had replaced the real Safia at some point, but maybe he just misunderstood.

>>723549486
That trailer at leasts has character. The final game might as well be a free Unreal 5 tutorial asset its so generic and barebones.

People claiming to be excited for this run so contrary to logic that I outright refuse to believe they're being legitimate. It's like someone looking you dead in the face and saying "I love being in car crashes". No you don't. Nobody does!

>>723549420
No matter how much camarilla tremere get their shit together, the fact is that their blond bond no longer is a thing, the opposite even. So no easy keeping tracks of fledgelings who want to do whatever with their powers. Also the Sabbath is so weak right now that having a Tremere is really not that far fethced. Better not have them around a Tzimiscy who knows at least a bit of history about their clans but that's it.

>>723548835
>fallout 4/ deus ex
they take a beloved franchise and try to dilute it and causalize it for the masses, this has been done many times successfully (commercially speaking...)
bloodlines 2 only failed because it didn't came out in the 2010s but after bg3 and expedition 33
it's astonishing how even game journos are calling it out as a bad bloodlines sequel, i think paradox underestimated how much bloodlines is loved by people
but desu the primary reason bloodlines 2 is a massive failure lies in the fact they didn't get a SINGLE thing right
Bloodlines 1 has a lot of substance, yeah sometimes it's stitched together like a frankenstein monster but the game is DEEP
Bloodlines 2 has no perks. It's mid in everything it tries to do. They should have picked 1 single thing and try to excel at it. Like if you wanted to do a Dishonored with vampires, give me deep mechanics and good level design with alternate paths. No? Then give me good side quests. Not even that? Then give me immersion and make as many things as interactable as possible and proper vampire simulation. Nope. Ok let's try combat. Sorry, it's a brawler where you punch the same ghouls most of the time and you can't even reuse disciplines without combat feeding. I can continue
>gta with vampires?
sorry small map with no content
>tabletop adaption?
no char creation, no skills, etc
>sexy/funny characters?
no
>power fantasy a la prototype?
enemies scale with you and you have 4 powers with no progression lulz
etc

>>723549606
I watched the leaked PS5 footage from a few days ago, and I really liked a lot of it. I thought the club sequence where the music is pulsing and all the patrons are swaying back and forth while you fight was really cool. It seems like a game with a lot of cool ideas. It's a shame to hear that it's an undercooked experience.

>>723549606
>I can't have an opinion that differs from IGN!

>uuuhh, actually 1 was bad
What kind of a full retard marketing angle is this?

>>723549807
Not surprising considering that current VTM dislikes what old VTM used to be.

>>723549807
He's been pulling it for months

>>723546531
>you can fuck people but it's a black screen
I thought vampires don't care about fucking and it's just sucking blood that gives them euphoria?

>>723549918
Depends, for a Toreadore it can be to keep in touch with humanity, which is very important for them. They can even enjoy it through Blush Of Life

>>723549807
Well it's very weird that a bunch of supposed VTMB fans are criticizing the game for...*checks notes*...being similar to VTMB.

>>723549807
vtm ALWAYS hated what Troika did with Bloodlines. they were forced to canonize b1 characters due to the game' success but always looked to undermine and make them lamer

>>723543727 (OP)
>hype
lol, lmao even

>>723549918
>>723549989
I hate to say this, but Bloodlines 1 had fade to black sex scenes as well. Should they have done more? Yes. But there are so many small issues with 2 where it's like, "this is exactly like the first game". And it raises questions about what they should have done sequel-wise.

>>723549918
White Wolf can't really make up their minds about it. Sometimes the vampires do fuck, sometimes they don't, it's inconsistent.
But the general rule is: the younger the vampire is or the higher humanity score they have, the more possible it is for them to fuck.
Which doesn't explain why Phyre, being an old-ish vampire wants to fuck, but whatever.

>>723550037
I don't care about the fade to black, I wanna know about sex scenes. Don't remember VTMB1 having any, you just go off with people you seduced just to feed on them, without any benis in bagina. But maybe I misremember

>>723550037
40% of VTMB's planned content is just plain missing due to failure to control deadlines. It's not in the same realm as VTMB2's pile of shit choosing to do that with all the time and money

>>723549807
>make shill threads about bloodlines 2 which will be visited mostly by bloodlines 1 fans
>shit on bloodlines 1 relentlessly
Brilliant strategy.

>>723550098
>Don't remember VTMB1 having any
You could have sex with Jeanette.

Collectors case is pure kino.

>>723547859
>This was a core idea in Hardsuit's version.
>>723547527
>The combat loop is heavily built around snatching guns from enemies. This is a design idea that originated in the cancelled version.
You could pick random weapons you found that weren't dropped from enemies and had a whole wheel where you could equip the weapon you wanted, thats a pure lie.

>>723550037
Honestly it doesn't matter. At best you would get the BG3 treatment of we're showing stuff but not really actually, and that or nothing feels the same to me. Use that money on better character designs and writtings

>>723550098
You get to fuck Jeanette. And it's technically a fade to pink.
The unofficial patch/CQM allows you to bang VV, but that's y'know, unofficial.

>>723550037
this can happen like 2 times in the entire game? i only remember jeanette and romero. bloodlines has sex and kinkiness splattered everywhere you don't need lame sex scenes like bg3 ESPECIALLY considering vampires in lore don't care about it.

>>723543727 (OP)
Soulless, uninspired garbage with everything fun and interesting that was present in Bloodlines 1 sucked out of it.
This does not deserve Bloodlines name in it. It has nothing to do with the genius and timeless classic that is the first game.
It's a shameless cashgrab, nothing else.

>>723550143
You can safely assume that whenever someone shittalks the "HSL version", it's a) the same shill as always and b) he is lying
I remember when he tried to shittalk Mitsoda but stopped when he couldn't force a consensus

>>723550130
That is a cool steelbook case shame about the game tho

Is there a peepshow like sin bin in the first game? if not i am not interested

>>723549997
>literal reddit markdown syntax
shiggy

>>723549918
The fade to black thing actually came from the Hardsuit Labs version of the game. Chinese Room got locked into that design choice.

>>723544553
Oh hi homeworld 3 you look so Twilight today

>>723550358
kek

>>723550143
>You could pick random weapons you found that weren't dropped from enemies and had a whole wheel where you could equip the weapon you wanted, thats a pure lie.
No, you could not. If you wanted to pick up another weapon you would drop the one you were carrying. There was one melee slot, and one firearm slot. You could not carry a pipe and an axe. You could not carry a pistol and a shotgun. The game was specifically designed to prevent you playing it like a normal FPS, and was pushing you to use punching and abilities. Go and watch the footage. Every time they find a weapon it shows the icon to replace the weapon they have. You could not carry around a bunch of guns or melee weapons. You have one melee weapon at a time, which would break after a few swings. You could hold one gun, which would be dropped after its bullets ran out.

>>723550395
>. If you wanted to pick up another weapon you would drop the one you were carrying
So you could pick up random weapons you found?

>>723543727 (OP)
>The world building looks seriously impressive.
Yes but not enough, comparing this to VtM1 this game is smaller.
>The devs had a singular vision and they delivered.
True but too narrowed.

I'll probably buy it sometime in the future.

>>723544553
#dumpsterphyre

>>723543727 (OP)
>Can we get a VtMB2 hype thread going?

I finally finished 1 for the first time this year (I'm a retard who plays games for 2h and then gets distracted by other games) and the main thing it does well is the atmosphere. You can tell how seedy but also horrifying this entire underworld is
It definitely has not aged at all, it still hits perfectly
Of course, 2 has absolutely none of that

>>723550395
You just repeated what he said.

And that system sounds both fun and immersive. Way better than losing your 1 weapon every time you want to open a door.

>>723550418
Yes, which you can also do in the current version of VTMB2. That never really changed.
https://youtu.be/jAFUAEJXzyc?si=z9dsbUdHqpZXGIto&t=137

>>723544553
100% they hired the same people who did the Homeworld 3 cutscenes

>>723550443
Sad for Josh, he.s a pretty decent roleplayer

Any other leaks beside Safia?

>>723544553
This shit is Avowed 2.0 lmao. It wouldn't even last a week.

>>723550521
>assault rifle floats in the air and disappears after one burst, can't put it in your inventory to use later
No weapon was picked up. Thanks for conceding, shill. When are you gonna switch to the narrative that it was actually the bad TCR team that did this? Since clearly this cope of it all being HSL's fault is not holding up

>>723550513
>and the main thing it does well is the atmosphere. You can tell how seedy but also horrifying this entire underworld is
2 does that as well, but I don't think it hits quite the same.

> muh critic reviews
> muh Veilguard
> muh DXHR
> muh HSL version
> repeat 500 times
Just how many schizos/shills operate here?
Shill lore is actually interesting, unlike the "sequel" one.

>>723550631
Some of them are just guys repeating it for shitposting purposes by now, but the actual answer is: 1
We've had exactly one guy who has shilled this shit for YEARS. Don't bother engaging anon, just laugh at the shitty game and move on

>>723543967
>>723544013
>>723543796
Oh no how dare someone talk about a video game on the video game board. Someone tell the mods this is a general so we can get it deleted. We need room for another Pokemon thread.

>>723550529
Hardsuit Labs actually did the cutscene animations.

>>723550608
You were never going to "put it into your inventory to use later". That was never how the Hardsuit version was intended to be played. Guns were only meant to be used within the area you found them. They wanted to force you to not play it like an FPS game. You picked up a shotgun. Fired it twice, and then awkwardly dropped it. In fact, the way you dropped guns would totally throw off your combat flow. So they were punishing people who tried to use guns, and and the melee combat with hammers and stuff was super janky, and designed to stop you doing it frequently by having those break almost immediately.

The idea behind it was that you would have guns and hammers and stuff, but they'd be so useless you'd be pushed to do more "vampire" things. Both studios tried to execute this idea. Based on the gameplay clips I think chinese room did it better than hardsuit did. But I have to assume the core design idea came from paradox.

So what's the excuse for not having MC just nuke the entire fucking city and be done with it? He's what, like gen 6?

>>723550812
>Guns were only meant to be used within the area you found them
So I could equip a different weapon in the meantime? i.e. pick up a pistol and then switch to a baseball bat without throwing the pistol away? You know, the definition of PICKING UP A WEAPON?
Didn't read the rest of your shillpost

>>723544553
H-hot.
But something about how it's shot makes it feel like a stage play instead of a video game.

>>723550585
Damsel's in it.

>>723549316
The issue is probably more around the basic writing of these sidequests, where ass Bloodline 1 had characterful NPCs giving you these sidequests

>>723543727 (OP)
>The world building looks seriously impressive.
>The devs had a singular vision and they delivered.

>>723550868
there's potential for them to justify it here because Phyre is like a super old vampire so the melodrama just normal to him. But I know the writers are just shit.

>>723550864
I don't think they really thought that far ahead. You'll notice that all of the Hardsuit Labs footage is a weird vertical slice where nothing outside the current quest exists.

>>723550843
>Lets put a giant target on my back for every Vampire around as I openly breach the Masquerade

Totaly wont attract hundreds of vampires hoping to get a nice gen bump through sanctionned diablerie

>>723550937
>I don't think they really thought that far ahead
Refusing to answer the question, because the answer is "yes you could pick up guns, which is not allowed anymore in the walking sim version". Thanks for conceding, shill

>>723549704
>IGN says extreme blunt force trauma to the skull isn't very enjoyable so clearly it actually is

>>723550893
Too be fair to Chinese Room though, those side quests were from the Hardsuit Labs build.

>>723547194
These shills usually give 9/10 to the most mediocre shit, how did they fuck up so badly?
>>723548178
Yeah Dishonored with 4 abilities, no tools and linear as fuck

>>723551005
>IGN says heterosexual sex is a 3/10 too boring and aniquidated, therefor I will be a faggot

>>723551027
>Too be fair to Chinese Room though, those side quests were from the Hardsuit Labs build.
I don't see how that's really possible because the characters giving those quests are new. Unless you mean the sidequest mechanic (the type of quests, how they work) is from HSL's version, and I could absolutely believe that.

>>723551027
I would have gone with the
>it's the first time TCR has had to design Side Content of course it's shit!
argument myself

>>723551027
I've had a couple of giggles at your posts but don't overdo it, fren. You're gonna become as annoying as the actual shill at this rate

>>723551093
>I AM TRANS!
Happy for you sister but please try to stay on topic

>>723548807
I hope there's a way to side with her so I can be with her forever.

>>723550929
>Phyre is like a super old vampire so the melodrama just normal to him
Nah, actually the melodrama should've been beneath him, because the older you are, the more detached you because, that's how the Beast works.
And IIRC 300 years isn't THAT old, unless you are American. There are vampires in the lore who were old during the fucking Crusades.

>>723551241
idk dude if I'm a bored 300 years old dude from the 18th century I would talk like a stage play too.

>>723551241
The MC is an elder, but he is not that old. Remember, Europe in WoD still has tons of 1,000+ vampires wandering around

>>723551241
Yeah, wasn't La Croix from Bloodlines 1 like 200? And many thought of him as a youngster

>>723551346
He was an officer in the Napoleonic Wars, yes

>>723551241
Old whites are chudiggaphobeceluloidial so paradox's uber pozzed white wolf removed them

>>723550929
I think melodrama comes naturally to WoD vampires (especially Toredore OFC) because it started off as a LARP and when you LARP melodrama is part of the fun.

>>723550704
I'm sorry, I'm #TeamConsumer already

>>723551398
Transister...

>>723551391
and Paradox especially cares what those Scandinavian LARPers think

>>723551442
If the shill doesn't keep up with the subreddit, we have to step up and be better shills.

>>723551346
Yeah, but everybody thinks Smiling Jack and Beckett are the coolest shit the planet and they aren't that much older than him. I guess it's the notoriety.
But then you have fucking Strauss who remembers the Middle Ages. The only reason he's not running the show is because he can't be bothered to get involved.

>>723551475
Was Rudi based off of some Scandinavian's fan character or something?

>>723551582
>you have fucking Strauss who remembers the Middle Ages. The only reason he's not running the show is because he can't be bothered to get involved.
except in the camarialla ending, where he uses the player to get himself into the Prince position

>>723551241
Correct.
Cain's city was already established while humans were still hunter/gatherers. And we also know there was at least 3 generations there, Cain, his three childe, and those had at least 12, supposedly a lot more. So we're already at gen 3 thousands of years before Jesus christ. A few hundreds years old vampire could be very low on the gen

>>723551672
Apparently, based on someone the writer knew who lived in Copanhegaen in real life but outside of the TRPG writer saying that in a tweet, I'm not sure there is any other evidence

>>723551241
Does Phyre come from a society where they have the Masquerade and intrigues among their society and shit? I'm sure 1700s Ottomans are barely a footnote in the lore but I would assume it's more like OG Transylvania where there are few vampires who are secluded
Also, how OP is 8th gen? Is it OP enough that he can go "I don't care what any of you niggas say"?

>>723543727 (OP)
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>>723551760
the original fledgling from VTMB is 8th gen per TT rules. You make of that what you will.

What is your Phyre background idea?

>>723544663
not enough woke for tranny "journos"?

The great copening from shills has started.

>>723551760
The Masquerade was established in the middle ages. No way a few hundred years old vampire doesnt know about it.8th gen is strong but not crazy at all. Pretty sure Jeanette is of a lower gen for example. As for the 'dont care what you say', entirely depends on which ponds you put the fish in. And what the fish does in said pond. A 9th gen is not going to survive a blood hunt of there are hundreds of higher gen sent on him

>>723551696
>A few hundreds years old vampire could be very low on the gen
As a Dark Ages player I can empirically tell you this is not the case. By default, your Dark Ages fledgling is of 10-11-12th gen. And that's the 13th century mind you. It's for the balance reasons, so that when you wish to transfer your medieval vampire to the Modern Nights, you aren't too OP among those 12-13th gens that are the default there. Granted, you'll be more experienced in various skills, but that's about it.

>>723551741
It would explain a lot about how the character is clearly supposed to be a cool Theo Bell type but fails completely.

>>723551936
Sorry I meant very high, confusing with the low means actually more powerful etc...

>>723552016
this can't be real

>>723550549
>Sad for Josh
he/they pronouns, so fuck him. I am sick of these weirdos.

>>723551760
In the original, at least, when making your character you could spend points to be as low as 7th gen. I always did that since generation is so hard to change compared to every other skill and stat.

>>723551809
Now we know for sure this isn't some SJWified game, since it didn't get the 'forces progressive politics' review bonus.

>>723552016
AIIIIIEEEEEEEEEEE YOU CANNOT POST THIS BEAVER

>>723551895
>background idea
procurer of involuntary labor from darkest africa

>>723551398
Wasn't that VN pretty fucking bad?
Hell, did ANYTHING WoD-related released in the last 20 years good?

>>723552059
bloodhunt is decent as far as battle royale go.

>>723552106
How long did that last before being shutdown?

>>723552140
I literally have no idea.

>>723552059
>Wasn't that VN pretty fucking bad?
you're confusing it with another game that was actually bad

>>723551760
>Also, how OP is 8th gen?
It's powerful enough that most vampires in America won't openly try to start shit with you, But the thing with VtM is that there is ALWAYS a bigger fish above you, all the way to Caine himself.
Because then y'know, it turns out that by being uppity, you gained an undivided attention of Mithras himself and he wants to deal with you personally.
For those not in the know - Mithras is a 3000+ year old 4th gen Metuselah that chills beneath London. That's why London is technically unaffiliated, because nobody wants to bother Mithras with politics.

>>723552140
it's still playable. devs just "left it to the community to run".

>>723552158
nono, the VN was pretty bad too

>>723552158
>plaster emem all over the media
>she's the least relevant of the three characters

>>723552163
Sweetie, Mithras is dead. Consumed by a random fucker who happened to stumble upon a barely living Mithras. Now he's eventualy gonna get fucked by the Methuselah living in his head of course, but still.

Also one thing that people dont take into account nearly enough is how trained the vampires are. A 9th gen can win against a 7th gen if the 7th gen fucked around most of his unlife while the 9th has been practising his art the whole time. The gen diff makes it so that the skill floor and ceiling are both higher the lower you go, but you still need to put efforts in

>>723552158
>Release the werewolf
>Get Malk chick fed him
The only redeeming quality of Swansong

>>723552163
kinda wish TCR had they original chance of making a VtM game set in the UK(which is what they wanted to do ) rather than Paradox making them do Bloodlines 2

>>723552349
>Now he's eventualy gonna get fucked by the Methuselah living in his head of course, but still.
He already did and Mithras is now back.

When is the Hunter CRPG?

>>723551090
Sounds like death of the outsider, which was a fine dlc for 10$, but because of pure greed, they released it as a standalone game and it's the worst selling part of the series

>>723552406
never
H5 is bad anyway

>>723552435
>H5 is bad anyway
Aren't all new editions bad?

>>723551760
>Also, how OP is 8th gen? Is it OP enough that he can go "I don't care what any of you niggas say"?
In what sense do you mean? In V5 context the lower the generation the higher your Blood Potency which affects a ton of things, but is also a double edged sword. At BP3 animal blood and bagged blood doesn't provide any sustenance, for example. On the flipside you get to heal more damage on waking up, roll for discipline check again if you failed the first time, etc.

>>723552492
somewhat, but H5 isn't really like the previous version of Hunter in any way unlike W5 or V5

>>723552492
Yeah. IMO Werewolf 5 is the worst, but Vampire is up there with all the nonsensical lore changes.

>>723552492
Yes. Problem with H5 is it's effectively a THIRD Hunter game next to Reckoning and Vigil, but not as good at any of the things those two excelled at. It also got kinda bad sourcebooks that just add more, well, shit to the game rather than expanding on core pillars.

>>723552576
There are a few good things, like some of the bane changes. Not all of them though

>>723552631
SCHOLASTIC NIGGAS

>>723552016
>>723552639
why are they so handsome

>>723552576
>Werewolf 5 is the worst
Was the VN any good?

What are some more games like 1? Already got that Redemption game on my backlog
Doesn't need to be WoD, just any similar game is fine

>>723552769
Games with well executed atmospheres are very rare to come by

>>723552769
mind you redemption is nothing like bloodlines

>>723551809
so it's basically a 6 people will forget about in a week. shame.

>>723552664
The only change I legit like is the change to the Tzimisce weakness. Beforehand it was a nothingburger (sleep with a pouch of dirt from your homeland), now it's actually cool. You can't enter homes uninvited, which not only references the classsic folklore, it is consistent with Tzimisce's hospitality autism.
They might be monsters, but it doesn't mean they have to be rude.

>>723552881
Maybe. Could see a world where people unfamiliar with the setting get into it through this game. Highly doubtful people who already like VTM will enjoy this though, or perhaps the ones who got introduced to the world with v5 will but doubt older players will like it

>>723551895
There are some very different time periods in here, how old is the PC?

>>723551895
>I was a soldier, a Janissary
Does becoming a vampire grow back your foreskin?

>>723553089
No, you're eternaly in the state you were in when transformed. Although some clans fucks with that like Nosferatus where you get more hideous the older you get. But if you were turned as a child, you will forever be a child for example

>>723553151
On the other hand, the Embrace also fixes your disabilities, like paralysis and whatnot. So that's an iffy topic.

I didn’t believe in the shilling until I checked the vtmb reddit and saw the exact same pattern of saying that every flaw in this game was present and worse in vtmb, that vtmb was a bad game panned at launch and that nobody liked vtmb as a crpg. I hope paradox hq gets suicide bombed.

>>723549918
It's not complicated. Vampires can and do have sex, now I don't remember if they NEED to cast Blush of Life to do it, but they can do it. However feeding is apparently, at minimum, equally as enjoyable, so for most vampires there is probably little point to having sex unless you're a Toreador who explicitly places value on those sorts of physical interactions.

>>723553274
I believe we have accounts of scars pre-embrace still remaining after the embrace so chopped foreskin would fall into that, I think. Still, fair point on your end.

>>723553365
>now I don't remember if they NEED to cast Blush of Life to do it, but they can do it.
They have to, otherwise their instrument doesn't work. You are for all intents and purposes a corpse fueled by magical blood. Every organ in your body is dead.

>>723553365
They need Blush of life to at least feel things like pleasure through stimulation and orgasms. I think but not 100 percent sure that a guy would need Blush of Life to get hard

>>723550843
It's an explicit plot point that the MC's powers are heavily atrophied (for whatever plot-related reason, since i'm pretty sure that's not supposed to happen) which is why you need to level up at all and also sip blood from various clan members to awaken your "old" powers.

do we already know the story and the ending?

>>723548807
>mystery meat
She looks like a monster alright

>>723543727 (OP)
The Uninstallmere

>>723553618
Most of it. Safia is the bad guy, she works for Sabbat and awakened the MC via blood magic fuckery to throw them against Camarilla and then have them be a vessel for some other ancient vampire. And Fabien has nothing to do with anything.
That's it, that's your story.

>>723552053
>Now we know for sure this isn't some SJWified game, since it didn't get the 'forces progressive politics' review bonus.
Or it did get the journalist bonus but it's just a shit game even by their low standards.

If this for some reason runs on steam deck I will probably get it sometime down the line just to see how it turned out.

I've followed the development long enough to know this is just a product pushed out the door by Paradox/TCR after 2 years of actual work. I assume anyone "hyped" or with any expectations whatsoever has just not been paying attention.

>>723553821
>some other ancient vampire
cain?

Post YFW you made another faggy game fail by doing literally nothing

>>723553859
I think it's more like, VTM fans are dying for breadcrumbs game-wise, and that's the game they're getting. Who knows when the next VTM game with a bit of budget will actually come out

>>723553821
>some other ancient vampire.
fo we know who?

>>723553892
Wut, absolutly not. A 4th gen at best

>>723553282
>there's now a vtmb subreddit where you have to be positive and can't complain about vtmb2
lol

>>723553951
Some dude called Gideon. I wasn't paying enough attention to know who that is.

>>723553839
There's no such thing as a shit SJWified game to them. Look at the scores they gave Concord and Veilguard.

>>723553821
In the end do we at least get to tell the cringe wannabe detective to fuck off?

>>723554051
Gideon is Fabien's sire.

its over isnt it

>>723554101
Yeah, he dies in the final 30 minutes, naturally sacrificing his life for the MC, because you might as well have that cliche.

Who is Santiago? (The vampire hunter?)

>>723552769
The REAL Bloodlines 2 was the closest thing to the first one. I still regularly watch trailers and gameplay videos of it. The atmosphere, the characters, dialogue, writing, etc., were all kino. I still can't believe how hard they messed up with the current tranny shit. They deserve an award for making me go from HL3-tier excitement to absolute indifference. Actually, I wouldn't even say indifference but more like deterrence. To use a vampire analogy, their tranny shit game is like garlic to me. There were dozens of gameplay hours leaked on Youtube and I couldn't even stomach 10 seconds of it. Makes me physically want to throw up even more than Concord.

I hope some anonymous hackers manage to get their hands on the 2019 build and leak it so we can play the real Vtmb successor. Until then, I'll just keep watching videos of it for the x-th time.

>>723554131
No, it just began.
I hope we get some good memes out of this shit.

>>723550395
>You could not carry a pistol and a shotgun
>Every time they find a weapon it shows the icon to replace the weapon they have
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ssLizHtFK4
>14:01 picks pistol located on top of the desk
>14:12 picks an M4 located on the ground, pistol aint dropped
>14:50 automatically switches to the pistol once the M4 runs out of bullets
>All weapons have a "number/0" counter, meaning you could stack ammo.
Hokay buddy.

>>723554051
THE AAAAAAAAALL KNOOOOOWIIIIIING!!!
>>723554227
You could look if you can find any footage or slides from PDXcon, Mitsoda had a presentation about the dialogue system

>>723554227
>The REAL Bloodlines 2 was the closest thing to the first one. I still regularly watch trailers and gameplay videos of it. The atmosphere, the characters, dialogue, writing, etc., were all kino.
They weren't though. The writing was clearly placeholder. The atmosphere was non-existent with a dead, empty world and constant glitches. The only reason people liked Elif was because she had a really cool design. When they revealed the Hardsuit version of Damsel everyone laughed at her.

>>723554201
I hope that's not true because otherwise they're trying so hard to make the main character seem so special and it's just falling flat

>>723554290
That's a good counter-argument. Thanks for sharing, anon. I appreciate the correction.

Imagine that your entire marketing budget is shill threads on /v/. What a disaster.

>>723543727 (OP)
So, Bloodlines 1 did not take itself seriously like having Officer Chunk or having Bender teach you the tutorial, and it had lots of sexy like hooking up with Jeanette or having an anime girl fight a giant yokai creature in a floaty skirt

Blood lines 2 takes itself completely seriously and it has no sexy and everyone is stone jawed, masculine and ugly.
Does the chink room actually think anyone will buy this game?

>>723554430
That's my biggest issue with modern VtM games in general. Bloodlines 1 and the pre-V5 tabletop more often than not didn't take itself seriously at all, while those new games have such a massive stick up its ass it's almost sad.

>>723554430
It has sex just like VTMB1. And it's a bit cringe and over the top with dialogue about edging and stuff.

>>723554430
I know blaming Hardsuit Labs is a meme, but unironically CR were locked into a lot of character designs from HSL since so much marketing material had already used them.

>>723554227
Here's your Mitsoda version:

>>723554534
>It has sex
Nobody, not even any kindred would hook up with Phyre the Stone Faced Featureless

>>723554660
Nobody remembered this game was in development, then a Chinese bioweapon destroyed the social order of the world for several years. They could have just dropped everything if they really wanted to. Saying a couple E3/youtube promos from 2019 and 2020 tied their hands forever is stupid and gay and retarded

>>723554742
Apparently half of the female NPCs are thirsty for him. This includes the main villain.

>>723543727 (OP)
I can’t wait to play this game on Tuesday, what clan is everyone going to be playing as? I’m going to be playing as a Ventrue! Huzzah!

>>723554702
Mitsoda is a writer,not an action combat designer, anon.

And the combat being bad in Bloodlines 1 is also a meme. Once you get the katana the third person hack and slash becomes fun.

>>723554702
Holy shit that looks soulful. I would be pissed if I pre-ordered that pure kino and got served up this shitty walking sim.

>>723554789
I'll go with Lasombra

>Filters every single journo
>Zero gay romances
>Zero trans characters
>Journos whining the bosses are too tough
>Journos whining there is no fast travel
>Journos whining its not Cawofdooty shooty shooty
>Journos whining side quests are actual gameplay and not just a bunch of women talking
Holy shit. Forget GOTY. This may be an epoch defining game. I haven't seen journos panicking this hard since the original Demon's Souls

>>723543727 (OP)
I play this games

>>723554925
How does that shadow realm La Sombra ability work? It says you pull anyone you touch into the realm with you and that you can leave there. So you can one shoot bosses?

>>723554789
Tremere of course

>>723554870
It's look like shit.

Is the Dishonored Blink ability locked to a specific clan? I love Blink.

>>723543727 (OP)
No.

>>723544417
Its no just dance 3

>>723544770
>The Chuds at IGN
Not being able to shoot anything, or have any weapons, kinda lame.

>>723555000
Holy shit we got a real CR shill in the thread.

>>723554937
yeah, fuck those woke retards

>>723554937
Nigga you're getting fired lol

>>723554702
The biggest problem with the original I see is whoever is playing is physically incapable of using a controller

>>723555052
Holy shit we got a real HSL shill in the thread.

>>723555230
>clear headshot from pistol = zero effects
wtf are you talking about?

>>723546089
>He says it like they didn't chose to make a bad video game to own the chuds

They literally had people telling them "Hey you should put guns, and a character creator in it. People aren't going to like a linear walking simulator. Write a dialog tree.

They didn't try to make a good game, and fail. They hated the source material, and wanted to make a game for the "Modern audience" (Not the audience they have.)

>>723546952
>Dev actually thinks people like this shit.

>>723548606
If the critics, and the chuds don't like it, you both failed to reach the "Modern audience" and the actual audience. You can still cancel the release, and go back to the drawing board.

>>723544770
I had no idea that IGN is a chud site.

>release a completely different game that has nothing to do with the original
>didn't even bother to rename it
next level kikery

>>723550037
It’s been 20 years bro, it’s not a good look when everything in your game is a downgrade except for the things that were kept exactly the same.

Kinda sad, I mean I was expecting mediocre yet hoping for the best, but I wasn't expecting it to score lower than Swansong.
Remains to be seen how fair this is, but given my low opinion of game journalists, I can't but wonder how much - however justified it might be - this is the counter-reaction to being relentlessly mocked online for their complacent Veilguard reviews.
Oh well, we'll see in a few days, then I can die in peace.

>>723551895
How does this change gameplay?

>>723555397
You not been paying attention to what the current regime is doing to independent media?

>>723556240
I remember people telling me I was trolling since I thought Swansong wasn't irredeemably bad and predicted that VTMB2 would be worse.

>>723553282
Do they think saying this will change the review score or something? The ship has sailed shillbros you lost

>>723556240
EA paid them for Veilguard, Paradox did not. It’s really not a difficult conundrum people.

>>723556340
I still think Swansong - bugs corrected -is a decent 7/10 if you're looking at it as a point&Click trying to inject a modicum of RPG into its DNA.
Trouble is no one was looking for that in that game.

Don't care, still buying the game. All that dogpiling by /v/eddit makes me want to play it even more.

>>723556482
I was, because I also liked The Council. I am a sucker for games that aren't just copy/paste genre copies, and Swansong and The Council are two unique little games.

>>723556240
Swansong didn't pretend it was a sequel to an rpg or that there was a customizable mc that mattered. My guess on the Veilguard issue is Paradox knew it would flop and just wanted to get this over with so they didn't bother bribing people.

>>723556603
The Council left me head-scratching. Mechanically, I find what it tries *so* insteresting
But the story goes from fascinating to bad to worse to "WTF is happening, were all those witters on crack?", and then it become hard to be enthused about it.

>>723556683
I don't thnik they would have bothered with the DLC change if they didn't believe in the game.
That was adding too much money to an already big chunck of loss.

It’s weird that people (shills) are trying to spin this as an “anti woke” thing when we can all look at the gameplay and yknow…read the reviews. It looks like shit.

>>723550443
kök

>>723550443
>he / they
did these faggots not get the memo?

>>723553675
Nigger its free on release, its got a gog release

>>723552576
pls post Rudi tier shit from Werewolf, i wanna see

>>723556968
I don't believe the shill is even around anymore, no reason to continue paying him at this point. I think it's just anons, LARPing as shills, baiting and taking the piss out of other anons.

It's gonna be great

>>723557293
Yes I think this too, old shill would reply to himself until bump limit, and had encyclopedic knowledge about the development of the game. He also had a list of canned phrases he would use. Then, when scores dropped, he was nowhere to be seen. Only a day later, did posts like him start popping up again, but they were scattershot and didn’t continue until bump limit, probably because anons got bored of trolling.

i'm not delusional enough to think vtmb can ever get a worthy sequel. it's impossible. that being said i really liked noir detective segment

>>723549048
Would this honestly have been any better than what we got?

>>723544770
this is from reviewers
and it's getting lower

>>723546958
gamerant review mentioned a tranny
i read that one because it gave them the lowest score yet

>>723558884
>Cater to game journalists
>Still get WORSE SCORES than shovelware like swansong
Something, and I mean SOMETHING has seriously gone wrong here. I can't wait to pirate this shit to see the plane crash happening in real time.

>>723559519
it's the pendulum swinging. journos have received directive from above to start bombing wokeslop.

I still find it astounding how no one had the bright idea to say, "fuck it, just cancel it" after years of delays, the dev team being changed like 3 times, mutiple story rewrites, Mitsoda being fired, etc. Like who demanded this be finished and released?

>Sacrifice the original fans in return for mass appeal
>Fail in getting said mass appeal by having such a shit game
Lmao hope it was worth it, hope you enjoy the layoffs!

>>723559764
>Like who demanded this be finished and released?
After a certain point I guess they spent too much on the game to NOT release something at the very minimum.
But you're right, they should have just cancelled it. Heck, I would have taken a another VN with a edited script of what was meant to be the game and it would have took them a miniscule fraction of the budget.

Lol. Every comment on even the slightest perceived criticisms is meant with "VTMB1 didn't have that!"

>>723560038
>TO BE FAIR, THIS OVER 20 YEAR OLD GAME DIDN'T HAVE THAT FEATURE... STOP EXPECTING QUALITY GAMES CHUD!
The coping has become so pathetic. I don't get it, what causes people to act like this?

>>723560038
Considering how bad vehicles are in the source engine, I can see why the original Bloodlines didn't have them

>>723559614
>journos have received directive from above to start bombing wokeslop.
they bombed (for example) ghost of yotei?

>>723558298
pc is still 67. 64 is the ps5 port which crashes sometimes

>>723560481
Sony gets a pass.

>>723560626
Look at that picture again, retard.

>>723558298
>>723560626
Pottery.

>>723560863
You were saying? (MC has been jank for a while.)

Scores will come up. Bad reviews always get posted first because people who like the game play it longer. Should be a lot of 9/10s by launch day.

>>723559764
Sunk cost fallacy, we put so much money into this game we can't really not release it.

What I find astounding is that TCR failed so hard at a gamedesign which is literally "put a hub here, get some cool characters here and there, three maps, a dozen sidequests". Bloodlines isn't hard a game to just copy. You can copy it by checking bullet points.

SOMEHOW, Tcr checks NONE of the bullet points of VTMB 1. It's like they tried their hardest to make the biggest pile of shit they could make.

>>723561310
>What I find astounding is that TCR failed so hard at a gamedesign
They a studio where none of their previous games have had game mechanics outside of player movement and basic physics.

>>723560038
What the fuck is that guy saying, "ai behaviour sets for car drivers"
I've never seen someone not know what the fuck they are talking about this bad, it's like hes desperate to make some shit up on the spot to defend the game.
How the fuck does he know that vampires would get run over if there was no traffic in the first place

The people who made the Indiana Jones games should take a whack at this. I feel like they did what this game wanted to do, but way better.

>>723559764
>>723561310
Paradox wanted to cancel it after seeing HSL's project and evaluating it. But they changed their minds after Sumo Digital approached them and said that The Chinese Room could salvage it.
>What I find astounding is that TCR failed so hard at a gamedesign which is literally "put a hub here, get some cool characters here and there, three maps, a dozen sidequests". Bloodlines isn't hard a game to just copy. You can copy it by checking bullet points.
I get the feeling that some of the main story missions were originally sidequests that got restructured into the critical path. The game has cool/interesting characters. It has environmental variety. It has all the same types of locations that VTMB1 had. Overall, it's structurally quite similar, perhaps to a fault. Heck, the game's core mission structure is literally the 2019 Hardsuit demo over and over. I don't know why people haven't noticed this. Right down to the "go to one of three locations, talk to the people there".

>>723561508
He is just talking out of his ass. The movement of most npcs in VTM is just preset waypoints, not random. So all you have to do is tell them not to walk in the roads. And you can put cars on a spline path. They don't need sophisticated AI. 20 years ago at least. These days I agree that cars are harder to implement since if they had shoehorned them in, there would be tons of webms of the bad car AI.

I wish projects like this would get honest documentaries. Like I want to see the whole true story told behind the scenes.

>>723556256
I doubt any of those choices ever come up again. At best it's going to be like the backgrounds in Cyberpunk where you pick the Corpo dialogue option and V drops a bitchy line or two.

>>723561682
>I get the feeling that some of the main story missions were originally sidequests that got restructured into the critical path. The game has cool/interesting characters. It has environmental variety. It has all the same types of locations that VTMB1 had. Overall, it's structurally quite similar, perhaps to a fault.
For a braindead person, maybe...? I mean, legitimately braindead. A retard. A moron. Someone clinically retarded.

You don't have hacking, you don't have real sidequests, you don't have exploration, you don't have skills and character sheet, you don't have an inventory, 50% of the game is a walking sim where you play Fabien.

Tell me how this game is structurally the same as VTMB 1, please.

>>723561682
I'm surprised Sumo Digital was a major part of getting TCR the Bloodlines 2 project, considering TCR have spent the last several years getting their independence from Sumo

>>723556256
It doesn't. The game in general is painfully linear.
And once again, as an old time Sabbat player I can't join the fucking Sabbat. What do the writers have against Sabbat?
>b-but that would be stupid...
In BL1 you could literally join the main bad guy who was very overtly trying to kill you. And the Kuei Jin who were trying to kill everyone, because fuck it, we ball.
So, don't tell me what is and isn't stupid.

>>723562210
>Tell me how this game is structurally the same as VTMB 1
The average VTM1 mission is:
>Talk to NPC.
>Walking sim.
>Talk to another NPC.
>Walking sim.
>Terrible combat section.
>Talk to another NPC.
>Return to the first NPC.
The core loop of waking up in apartment, listening to radio show, going out, exploring the empty and lifeless hub full of prostitutes and homeless people...
>>723562289
Supposedly Sumo forced the game onto them.

>hurr the game sucks just like VTMB1
That's true, but what saved Bloodlines 1 was EVERYTHING EXCEPT THE COMBAT. The characters, the dialogue, the writing, the tone, the vibe, the atmosphere. Whatever you want to call it. The sleazy hookers and seedy bars, clubs, late-90s edge with a heavy dose of goth sluts. If Bloodlines 2 had hit that exact same tone and quality, with a dogshit combat system and janky tech, it would have been another cult classic flawed masterpiece.

>>723562897
>implying
Sexuality is WRONG and appealing to the male GAZE is evil anon. Instead we're gonna make everyone ugly.

>>723561682
>go to one of three locations
>talk to people there
This only works if the game is directed by people who have a sense of soul, like Mitsoda. Just look at the early build. Every location. Every character. Every voice. ALL have their particular charm. ALL make me want to explore and keep going.

The new tranny game doesn't have soul. Every area looks like shit. Trash filters everywhere. HUD is worse than some Korean f2p cod copycats. Characters are all ugly, non-binary, and very unforgettable. Even the cover box looks like AI-made shit compared to the kino one with the guy on the ferris wheel.

My guess is Paradox was blackmailed to produce shit games so their value decreases and they get purchased by some Saudi consortium like was the case with EA or Ubishit. Too bad Bloodlines 2 was caught in the middle of that.

>>723560901
This is the worst game that I've ever played more than once. Infact I've played alpha protocol 3 times just to get all the different ending contacts. The gameplay itself is tedious and clearly unfinished but the conversation system is better than mass effect and does impact major story missions. 00's obsidian was always a year or so away(with budget) from making genre defining RPGs of the decade.

>>723563148
I think it would have found an audience and it would have turned a profit. But i also think that, since vidya dev is literally design by committee, you just can't get a whole writers room on board with that tone anymore. There will always be at least one dude with veto rights who just isn't "comfortable" that style and nobody has the balls to step on his toes(invalidate his feelings) so they all make concessions and in the end all the edge will be sanded off.

>>723551398
BASED

"..."

>>723552059
>Wasn't that VN pretty fucking bad?
Shadows was short but decent (its OST is fucking brilliant imo), Coteries has a complete asspull ending though. Haven't played Reckoning. The text games are hit or miss.

>>723563510
Pretty much yeah, you can't have anything really thought provoking or edgy since everything is
committee and you're always gonna have some blue hair nepo baby go
>UHM, THIS ISN'T CHUNGUS, HOW ABOUT WE INSERT A MARVEL JOKE OR TWO INSTEAD? I HAVE THIS GREAT OC THAT WOULD WOULD BE A AMAZING ADDITION TO THIS GAME AND WOULD BE HECKING REPRESENATION, THEY'RE A NON-BINARY-
There's a very good reason why triple AAA is dying and indie games are thriving. A passion project will always beat the sludge pushed out by nepobabies and business-idiots.

>>723563510
adding an inventory is hardly a fucking heroic design decision which needs Kojima levels of balls and creatividad kojones to pass through

tcr didn't fail at creating a masterpiece with compelling gameplay that will echo through the age as the greatest video game that has ever graced the world, tcr failed at basic game

>>723563878
Haven't you heard? Bloodlines 1 is the biggest piece of shit ever made. Also Bloodlines 2 is just like Bloodlines 1, please buy our game.

>>723563983
>There's a very good reason why triple AAA is dying and indie games are thriving.

But indies are just as bad. Those that have the edge don't have the money or skills to make a good game. We have the tech now to make a game on par with a AAA game from 15 years ago and all we need is like 3 or 4 guys. But even those projects either fall apart due to drama/lack of funding or they sit in development hell forever.

>>723564136
>tcr failed at basic game
And if they had managed to hit the Bloodlines 1 tone it would all have been forgiven. From minor side characters like the old lady in the diner, Vandal and Kilpatrick to any of the central characters. The tunes in the clubs, the industrial/goth/alternative vibe of the whole game. I know i would have bought the game.

So has anyone gotten a chance to play it yet? Is it total dogshit? Wonder if Swansong will be closer to what we wanted with Vtmb2

>>723564780
None of those things arw a problem in 2. The club is great in 2. The characters are good. The atrium sequences in this version are way, way better than the cancelled version, too.

Why does Paradox fuck up almost everything they touch?
Why can't they lease IPs out to a decent studio, or y'know, NOT ditch profitable IPs and mforce studios to create new IPs that won't sell in a million years (HBS and Lamplighter's League comes to mind here).

HYPE ON BROTHERS

>>723546038
>>723546185
DMCA'd yesterday. Y'all niggas behind the times.
>kiketube doesn't let me search for leaks ):
Are you stupid?

>>723544553
damn that one guy actually predicted that safia was gonna be a secret tzimisce wow

>>723543727 (OP)
to the abyss with thee

>>723564978
>None of those things arw a problem in 2.
On a 10 scale, where 1 is "GUESS I'M A VAMPIRE NOW, HUH!?!?!" and 10 is any of the Bloodlines 1 primogens. Where is Bloodlines 2? When i'm talking about tone, i'm talking about the whole mood of the game. Getting a hooker for Romero or fucking him yourself, Heather who mistakes her addiction for love, Tourette, Fat Larry, Jack, Venus and Boris, Susan. That is the type of edge i'm talking about. Half naked hookers on street corners, alleys full of bums and thugs, club sluts sucking off dudes in dark corners, blood puppets waiting for you to seduce them who get bitchy if you don't regularly pay them a visit.

From what i've seen of Bloodlines 2, the fact that Fabien can't shut up is already a deal breaker.

>>723566424
Based Christof.

>>723564847
There were full playthrough videos on YT a few days ago. It's absolute shit. I'm not even gonna bother pirating it despite its 30gb file size. Had I not seen these gameplay videos, I may have been tempted to try it. But now that I have 100% confirmation it's absolute hogwash I'll gladly pass. No wonder Paradox asked for the vids to be taken down.

>>723566536
God, looks like swansong will be closer to what we wanted then, still far but at least not abysmal

>>723544553
KINO IS BACK

>>723562897
Fuck off with that "combat bad" narrative, it's perfectly servicable. You're encouraged to invest in combat skills and they work just fine, you can pump Blood Buff if you're lacking in some areas. If you get filtered by the shitty combat-heavy final stretch of the game, it means you don't even have a core style like melee or guns to fall back onto and bought into meme skills.

Looking back, was this the real successor all along?

>>723547089
>often gets the job done
>9/10

>>723567410
>Sometimes, occasionally, it isn't completely shit. I smiled once to one joke.
>I could sometimes play 45 minutes without it crashing to desktop
>I did want to kill myself playing this game but it wasn't bad enough as to push me into actually doing it
>9/10

>>723550585
The entire (main story) playthrough was posted.
The Gardener is Gideon, who was Lou's (and impostor-Safia's) lover. He's trapped (?) in the underground, but he needs to be resurrected (which is what the mark was for; it's just bad luck the first vampire Phyre diablerized was Fabien), but he also physically exists and you kill him by ripping his head off. I must have missed something, because that plot point made no sense.
The Sabbat are involved, somehow. There's secretly a MASSIVE Sabbet cell operating in Seattle, somehow, that no one noticed until Phyre starts investigating, and the rest of the cast keeps doubting you for like two nights even after you discover the Sabbat link.
Impostor-Safia is just using the Sabbat, she's really out for revenge and to resurrect her beloved. But also, she's a genuine Sabbat loyalist???
At one point, you're given a "choice" whether to Embrace or kill the local Second Inquisition leader. It's a false choice. If you kill her, your ending epilogue (which is a 30 second slideshow) is locked into the "SI kills everyone in retribution" ending.
The secret hunter, "Santiago", is actually Campbell. Well, "was"; the achievement list leak is genuine, and he got killed by Fabien opening the box after Fabien arranges a meet with Campbell, trying to get a secret recoding of a confession so he can tip off a Camarilla Justicar.
The script is a fucking mess. I only skimmed the playthrough, and the guy playing wasn't into RPGs, so he skipped a bunch of dialogue options and side quests, and never stopped to read codex things. But just by the dialogue and cutscenes I saw, it is a MESS.
The weird white vampires that people were speculating might be wights are actually "Unbirthed" or "moon flowers". Gideon was creating them, somehow, in his underground death/imprisonment/torpor (I still don't know what his condition was supposed to be). Impostor-Safia's master plan is to unleash them from the underground. It's a huge letdown.

>>723567083
>some good ideas
>mostly a slog
Yup.

>>723568254
I'll post more spoilers.
Fabien is no one special. You get him out of your head by getting exposed to sunlight. Somehow, he's able to use whatever magical essence is keeping him in your head to sustain YOUR body as you crawl through a daylit city street and into a sewer grate. You then get one last conversation with him that's supposed to be a sad farewell or whatever. You never see his face.
The entire endgame stretch is just a combat gauntlet, plus the cutscene where you confront impostor-Safia. NO other characters show up; you're just fighting everything by yourself. The gauntlet is in Weaver Tower. Impostor-Safia's master plan is to create a big pool of blood on the rooftop, which will somehow summon the "moon flowers" from underground. This is why the "weird animation" clip has so much blood: that's where you fight her.
Ryong is (was; she gets destroyed by sunlight) really Lou's childe, and not a secret Lasombra. The story does practically nothing with the character. Even though impostor-Safia only has a place at court because Ryong vouches for her (Lou HATES Tr*mere), Ryong actually has no idea what impostor-Safia has been planning, or that she's an impostor. Girlboss Ryong is basically a retarded patsy.
The reason Lou says her blood is singing in the "midnight" trailer is because Gideon has been remotely using Dementation on her for decades. This is why she stepped back from openly ruling. What effects did this have on her? Well, sometimes she spouts gibberish for a few seconds, then snaps out of it. It stops after you kill (?) the Gideoner. The Beckoning is never brought up, as a possible cause or even a thing that exists in this setting.

>>723568254
>>723569236
There could be a good WoD Deep lore reason for some of this shit, but I kinda doubt TCR would even bother with that,

>>723568254
VTMB made fun of "a sleeping evil awaken"

Bloodlines 2 unironically 100% makes the entire story, badly, about some fags trying to wake up a sleeping evil

Not that the subject of the narration is that much better than the abysmal quality of the writing or the shitty gameplay

>>723543727 (OP)
>~12 hour game
>~6 hours as Phyre
>~6 hours as Fabien
>DLC with ~3 hours as Benny
>DLC with ~3 hours as Ysabela
>Playing as your protagonist unironically has less content than playing as other characters
What did they mean by this?

Have their been audio clips of the "Bet of night" radio for the game? I'm going to assume it sterile and filled with safe reddit humor. God, even that name is just a shallow attempt to make people remember deb of night. They could've at least made an original name.

>>723568254
>The Gardener is Gideon, who was Lou's (and impostor-Safia's) lover.
Uhhhh, waifu bros?

>>723571090
There interviewed with the Voice Actress, so you can check that for some clips
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5WCPOuW4c6U

>>723544553
Looks sped up, probably is

i always find it funny how these hype/shill/ad threads get spammed 2-3 weeks prior to a game's release and then not a soul posts about their beloved product after 2 weeks
it has happened with essentially every single Ubishit game, its recently happened to BF6 and Im sure itll happen to this too

>>723571438
She keeps trying to seduce you and claim she loves you at the end, even though the leaker guy made no attempt to romance Safia. I don't understand it.
>>723570498
I would be interested in hearing from deeplore fa/tg/uys. Are Unbirthed/moon flowers are an established thing? From the conversation Phyre and Fabien have about them, I got the impression it was supposed to be an exposition dump, but I've never heard of them before, whereas I have heard of shovelheads and vozdh.

>>723550608
it doesn't disappear after one burst, you can throw it away as an attack. have you never played SUPER HOT?

>>723564978
all of the characters in 2 look soooo boring. the original had a comic book energy to it, they are trying to be way too serious but they don't want to be edgy either so its just really fucking bland and unmemorable

>>723557293
>I don't believe the shill is even around anymore, no reason to continue paying him at this point.
A shill's battle doesn't end before release day.

>>723548835
HSL tried but they were mega incompetent, while the TCR did not try. They don't give a shit about trying to be a sequel to VTMB and just wanted to write their whole gay ass "detective" walking sim.

So whose bright idea was it to have the majority of playtime be spent playing as people other than the main character?
And why did they think giving the main character a shitty name, a shitty voice, and a shitty backstory would make the game better?
It really does seem like TCR got high on their own supply and started believing the bullshit that people actually hated Bloodlines as an RPG and turning it into a mediocre action game was what everyone really wanted.

>>723571758
Eh BF6 they tried as hard as possible to go "LOOK GUYS, WOKE IS DEAD! REMEMBER COD MW2!?" so some real anons will play it

>>723572015
they didn't want to pay him for a full extra week of work so they just cut him off early

>>723568254
>At one point, you're given a "choice" whether to Embrace or kill the local Second Inquisition leader. It's a false choice. If you kill her, your ending epilogue (which is a 30 second slideshow) is locked into the "SI kills everyone in retribution" ending.
This is so stupid, any vampire embracing a SI leader is so insane it should be an instant death sentence. And frankly if all the kindred are so incompetent and annoying I don't see much of a downside to the kill everyone ending.

>>723552997
no, people who are into the setting will like it. people who are new will like it. seething vtmb1 trannys will hate it.

>>723554937
this. one of the trannies (eurogamer) that gave vtmb2 4/10 gave veilguard 10/10 last year.

>>723572280
I think they just wanted to make a Fabien narrating a walking simulator game and everything else is forcing themselves to add things they don't want like a customizable mc, combat and "quests".

>>723571090
>>723571641
Wtf is "bet" of night?
"Deb of night" sounds like "dead of night". It's clever.
"Bet of night", doesn't make any sense. Bet isn't even a name.
Did nobody bring up at any point that that makes no fucking sense and isnt a pun?
Is it a Swedish thing?
Was everybody just high out of their minds and jerking off while making this? How could so many people be involved with this and just not care at all?

>>723572280
I think TCR can only make walking sim games, and so they made a walking sim game. About vampires. But they also can't write for shit, so it's a bad walking sim game.

>people actually hated Bloodlines as an RPG
Who said that? Bloodlines is salvaged by being a RPG, you will get everyone agreeing the gameplay is so-so but that's okay because literally everything else in the game is perfect, if Bloodlines wasn't a RPG it would have been completely forgotten. You need to extremely retarded to say Bloodlines is better without the RPG elements

>>723572593
Considering TCR are from the UK it might be a joke that makes some sense there

>>723572628
>Who said that?
paradox marketing department

>>723567083
this game was so fucking terrible it's unbelievable. the only redeeming factor is the atmosphere. everything about the combat and the disease curing loop and xp which are the main focus is complete unredeemable trash.

>>723548606
If game journos give bad scores to tranny games, then you know that game must be really bad because usually game journos give 10/10 and blind praise to any girlboss game.

Even when professional shills can't shill your game and they're ready to shill Concord, you know it must be terrible.

>>723572579
I do wonder then if they never cared about feedback what was the whole deal with the year long delay to rewrite and all that? Was it just BS so they could get more time for bugfixing (given that even after all the delays its still in a shit place technical wise)

>>723572280
>It really does seem like TCR got high on their own supply and started believing the bullshit that people actually hated Bloodlines as an RPG
But they're the ones that started that idea in the first place. Is it peak schizo? One personality started a rumor that the other personality picks up on? Spooky. I think that was a subplot in Hotline Miami 2.

>>723573054
classic marketing gimmick (see star wars) to get people on board with the new thing, except it somehow escaped marketing and became the actual core of design. paradox is so mismanaged I could actually believe this happening.

>>723573054
>>723573118
Or probably its just the boring answer, as in the same narrative designers who designed all the black lesbian wheelchair grandma vampires in the game were also in charge of designing the gameplay. And rainbow hairs don't like games, they would much rather play walking simulators where you push a button to listen dialogue.

>>723571641
Can already tell this is also going to be shit.
>>723572593
>fucking sense and isnt a pun?
They only care for half thought out references of the 1st game. Literally people without an once of inspiration.

>>723572280
Who said the hated Bloodlines for being a rpg? Thats the best part of it. I just think the TCR thinks they make high art instead of video games.

>>723573428
>Who said the hated Bloodlines for being a rpg?
Um, given that their sequel is not an rpg. And all of the marketing they did here stressed that it wasn't an rpg and that its a good thing its not an rpg, I think thats a reasonable conclusion. I don't know what's so difficult to understand here.

>>723573515
>their sequel is not an rpg.
That's all on the TCR. They only can make 1 type of game. Don't blame some made-up group who hates rpgs.

>>723548835
Because they don't understand or care for the setting
People that worked on this did it as another paycheck instead of being invested in something they personally wanted to do.

where are qt vamps waifus?

>>723572593
Bet of Night was Amanda Huddleston's idea. She's just a fan of Deb and not an overthinking dork like you, this is how these things happen.

>>723573628
>some made-up group
its not a made up group. The Chinese Room is an actual company who is working on the game. if they actually thought Bloodlines was a good RPG then they would've made an RPG
>BUT THEY CAN ONLY MAKE ONE TYPE OF GAME
they decided to stuff a mediocre action game into a walking sim. idk why ur riding their dicks so much. again, dont forget their marketing constantly stressing how bloodlines was shit and that the new game is better for ditching rpg elements

>>723571641
I've watched some of the let's play run by these people, it's no surprise that everything they touch becomes the worst kind of woke possible, they managed to make vampires and mage uncool.

>>723573784
>ur riding their dicks
lol.
Its not a rpg because the TCR didn't try to make one and they hate Bloodlines. Nobody hates rpgs but clueless ceos and arrogant game studios.

>>723552059
It was fine. It had a few cool moments.

>>723574026
>arrogant game studios
sounds like TCR to me

>>723573708
That's really sad. Imagine having the privilege to work on such a cool thing and not caring at all about it. While most people are stuck working on boring shit creating TPS reports their entire lives.

>>723573778
Well Amanda can think of a proper pun for her radio show or GTFO from my table.

>>723573714
>where are qt vamps waifus?
Turns out they're all simps for some already dead guy and they're manipulating you to bring back their real husbando. Also you have to embrace an obese black granny or you get bad ending.
>>723568254
>>723569236

>>723553365
>feeding is apparently, at minimum, equally as enjoyable
It's supposed to be way, way better. It's better than heroin—better than anything a human can experience.

>>723574240
That's 100% V:tM desu

>>723543727 (OP)
When the Kuei-Jin returns then write. The rest is not interesting

>>723574517
Kuei-jin are too offensive to the Swedish Larpers, so they are never coming back.

>>723553365
As a vamp you don't have any sexual impulse, and feeding is more than orgasmic. They can appreciate the human form in an intellectual way and can play at seduction and the like very well, but they don't usually fuck.

But some weird vampires still like to spend one blood point to have their genital organs functioning for a while and fuck. It's used as a tool for manipulation, but mostly as a fetish - some vampires just like to do that. It's seen as kinda unclean and unseemly (what kind of vampire fuck!?), but also if you're a 6th gen who the hell will tell you to stop raping little boys in your basement as a passtime. It's a "eww" from other vampire but not a "get the flamethrower" like Diablerie is.

>>723569236
>Somehow, he's able to use whatever magical essence is keeping him in your head to sustain YOUR body as you crawl through a daylit city street and into a sewer grate.

>>723574823
Why do they have tails?
inb4 "why don't you?"
>>723575056
The best part is, Fabien is never demonstrated to be able to "do" anything before that scene. He's just a voice in your head for the entire game up to that point.

>>723573778
God forbid creative decisions have more depth than a surface level reference. Fuck you, retarded shill. There's a reason this IP is failing hard and it's shit like this.

>>723574823
Fuck your game, got it!?

>>723550130
>the shill is already stealing pics from reddit.

>>723575215
"A radio show needs to have a wordplay title" is forced as fuck.

>>723551398
Are you really doing double time on the fucking subreddit?

>>723575729
Those Vns are better than bloodlines 2

What's up with groypers and Trump first election refugees here always posting ragebait instead of discussing videogames?
You guys unironically need to have sex, and I mean sex with someone who wants you
Not a hooker you paid because you are unloved and a genetic reject.

a lot of bottled up anger and misdirected frustration

You want every game to fail, every movie
You celebrate and enjoy nothing

Just absolute unfiltered faggotry.

The game is mid thoughbeit

>>723574823
racism has no justification even in a fictional genre, idiot.

>>723575474
>forced as fuck.
The theater of the masquerade is the whole point of Vampire the Masquerade.
Without the intrigue of Plausibility vs Paranoia making player's second guess everything around there's no allure or substance to the strangeness of the setting, it just becomes Underworld, a flat yet bloated drama vaguely about vampires.

>>723574823
>Kuei-jin
They are so awesome but I wish they weren't so *90s*, you know what I mean? Like so much 90s, ugh.

>>723575898
>reposts shit from reddit
>this fact is made known
>spergs out and starts crying about drumf and projecting his own bullshit

>>723575474
They could've just called it Late Night With Amanda, don't try to make a reference/pun unless it makes sense

>>723543727 (OP)
imma buy to give thought to my criticism, its going to be shit but i need to know how shit. like is it going to be veilguard levels of identity politics bad?

>>723576305
>buy
why not pirate it

>>723550734
Third reply to this post and all you can do is cry that people call you out as a shill.

>>723576154
>They could've just called it Late Night With Amanda

>>723576305
nah it seems to be just a really shit game made by incompetent morons

it's not veilguard level of both incompetence and malice, there is precious few transgender POC of colors in it, it's just absolute shit

>>723576305
I assume if there was something like the non-binary scene it would've leaked already.
So far there's just the terribly animated ending cutscene.

>>723576305
>imma buy
Kill yourself shill.
>b-but i said it would be shit
Yeah you still said you would buy it you pathetic faggot. The whole point of you being here is to say "LOOK AT ME I AM NORMAL 4CHANNER AND WILL BUY GAME"

>>723576154
Because all this garbage has is nostalgia baiting, but its a double edged sword since with nostalgia baiting comes people comparing it to VtMB which they really do not want.

>>723576435
They could have called it Huddle with Huddy.

>>723545537
That's almost entirely what happened
>Hey we know you have this project idea
>we'll finish it for cheap (probably)

>>723545537
>>723577594
It's already public knowledge that Sumo at least partially funded continuing development, and that Paradox were about to cancel entirely before the offer was made. So yeah, this is probably exactly what happened.

>>723578335
TCR is also saying that Paradox held a pretty tight leash on how they wanted the game to turn out so this just seems like everyone is responsible for the trainwreck

>>723576365
i want to hate it genuinely. i want to hate it on a fundamental level and have a justification to kill people who say they like this game.

>>723578607
But you are giving the devs and publishers money