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I love Castlevania: Aria of Sorrow, it's my favourite vania game by IGA, what's yours?

Curse of Darkness. The PS2 games are excellent yet never talked about.

>>723552560
Based. Curse of Darkness was my entry into the series 20 years ago.

Charlotte
I mean Portrait of Ruin

>>723552401 (OP)
OoE/PoR > CotM > AoS > HoD > DoS > SotN

It's Aria of Sorrow too. Played it as my first Castlevania, never played any as good since.

>>723552401 (OP)
why did this become a meme?

>>723552401 (OP)
That shit ain't Castlevania.

>>723552401 (OP)
ive never gotten the skeleton power so i hate it

I beat Castlevania 1 without save states

>>723552930
THIS is Castlevania.

Konami's just trolling us at this point.

>>723553193
Now its the time to beat Castlevania 3 (us version) without savestates

Bloodstained: Ritual of the Night

>>723552401 (OP)
I fucking hate all these piece of shit collections.
>permanently mapped rewind button
gee thanks.

>>723553790
Just don't press it
It's that easy

>>723552758
whats up with this new contrarian hot take that sotn sucks now, i keep seeing it

>>723553568
>us version

>>723553883
I'll just play the originals faggot. you didn't beat any of the games

>>723552401 (OP)
Yep, Aria of Sorrow for me as well.

>>723553976
You can turn it off

>>723553931
It sucked when the fucking thing came out, anon
It's always been bad. The game has zero challenge after you fight doppleganger the first time.
Like the only 'hard' part was figuring out some of the puzzles like the spike room with bat form and then going back with spike breaker armor

>>723552401 (OP)
after I got the bat spirit, it fucking became a kino.

>>723554342
Is he OK?

>>723553950
yeah the version that doesnt have lobotomised bosses
the superior Castlevania 3

aria is so good I should play it again

>it was always ba-
Stopped reading right here.

>>723555267
>sar I attempt to quote and fail

I see

>>723553931
That guy you replied to is baiting, no way HoD is anything but last. Many accusations people levy at SotN are so much worse in HoD (under tuned damage and lack of interesting combat encounters). I have noticed a bit more contrarianism against SotN probably as a response to people overrating it.
With that being said Aria and the DS trilogy are just more well polished games overall. The combat design allows more on the fly adaptation and player expression with souls/character switching/glyphs. Progression is more streamlined: cleaner drip drop of new items and abilities that often loop back around and open up more of the castle. The aggressive and pattern heavy bosses/enemies reward good positioning and deliberately timed attacks. SotN is great but the music and spritework do the heavy lifting.

>>723555776
HoD is just a slightly weaker CotM
It got memed on by retards who went 'oh um lolz the hallways are long since they put in a dash mechanic'

It's like bitching SotN is 'bad' due to hallways being made to run through in wolf form

SotN is the worst simply by 30 minutes in there's zero challenge

>>723555861
There's zero challenge in Harmony from the get go because you're the flash and nothing can hit you. CotM is nothing like Harmony.

>>723555947
>you're the flash
confirmed for never playing it.
would advise playing it, saar
Very good at needfully doing the vampiring fighting, sar

>>723556037
I've got 119% map completion but got bored of it.
And yes you are impossible to hit with that dash that doubles as both an animation cancelling offensive juggernaut and a supersonic movement tool that invalidates any need for intelligent positioning. These games revolve around being able to hit your enemy while they can't hit you and you can get in and get out on anything from the very start.

>>723556223
>These games revolve around being able to hit your enemy while they can't hit you and you can get in and get out on anything from the very start.
Kindly upload yourself no hitting all boses solely using the dash to evade, no jumping, walking or crouching, dash only

I shall await this needful doing, saar

>>723556431
Are you retarded? Or just completely unable to be sincere. Also you couldn't pay me to touch that piece of shit again lol.

>>723556537
>trolls
Yessar, we have a live one!

So we agree, SotN is at the bottom due to being shit after 30 minutes and despite your trolling HoD is above it

Nice b-balling, brah

>>723556580
>despite your trolling
SAAAAR DO THE NEEDFUL AND SHILL THIS TRASH GAME SAAAR

>Points out it's not shit
>it's been a rom for over 23 years
>SAAR THIS IS SHILL

I'm shilling... what?

>>723552401 (OP)
It's better than any Igavania because the dev gives too much of a fuck to make one that isn't

All I know is that harmony of dissonance is a terrible game, the worst game, absolutely terrible.

>>723556774
*your* gassing up utter garbage because you want to feel unique saar. Make sure you at least have a basic grasp on the English language before you go ahead calling White men Indians, shitskin.
well it does make sense that a 78 IQ jeet could earnestly compare HoD to CotM.

>you're shilling
>I can't answer what you are shilling but somehow you are shilling a 23 year old game I think

I see, yes. This makes sense if you're not normal

>>723552560
I need to replay it with the enhanced mod. Looks good.
https://youtu.be/suQIkIQm8gg?si=7j6TLiAQx4xM9zk-

Super Castlevania IV has a special place in my heart. First one I played and still holds up as one of my favorites. Incredible OST, atmosphere, the whip is fun to use, all around stellar game.

Aria of Sorrow is awesome too. Not only the normal game but Julius Mode is a fun bonus, although it's difficult to know where to go.

>>723556870
I pray that whenever the next one is made they acknowledge that the systems its being released on has more buttons than a GBA.

I'm half-convinced that all we're getting for the 40th anniversary next year is either a Bloodstained II collab or the chink mobile game.

>>723557219
I think more roms with stolen emulator code and retards will actually pay for it again

>>723557248
What's left to rerelease? The 3D games and Adventure Rebirth?

>>723557249
Souls and even weapons were more fun in AoS than it's sequel.

>>723557248
If they put ronda and her rebirth of an adventure on it I'll pay for it.

>>723553538
I don't even want them to touch the castlevania IP at this point. It's just going to be some soulless outsourced garbage like they're doing with silent hill and MGS. Im satisfied with bloodstained and chronicles of the wolf. not really )': I want the 1999 julius game

>>723557062
Why is Hector in this game a badass serious killer but in the Netflix show he is a romantic lame dweeb?

>>723557375
GBC/rom hacks like maria in SotN?

>>723557424
Please be trolling

>>723557460
Curse of Darkness getting rereleased in any way is gonna fuck with tourists so hard.

>>723557437
They can always outsource to IGA if there's no bad blood between them, IGA even said he'd be open to returning to the series.

>>723557498
I'll pay $80 for judgement you little bitch.

>>723557498
Or a SOTN ultimate version that rips off the mod.

>>723557460
The show's dead, finally.

>>723557249
I like Dawn's Valkyrie better because I can live out my agp fantasies if only just for a moment >.<

>>723557602
You are lying. Nobody liked that game.

>>723557786
I liked the voice acting, but that's it, really.

>>723557786
One hundred and fifty dollars double or nothing you libelous monster frisbee.

>>723557602
It's free, tard

>>723557651
I'm surprised they haven't done all the GB games yet, actually since they already scammed with the yugioh games

>>723557951
You mean Legends, The Adventure and Belmont's Revenge? They can give those the M2 treatment and call it a day.

>>723552401 (OP)
still the best

>>723557761
for me its shanobot

>>723558032
the DMC2 of the castlevania series

>>723557249
>>723558201
for me it's backdash cancelling the killer clown soul in dawn

>>723558032
0.0001% drop rate for a tarot card on a mimic enemy found in one boss room is diabolical.
And they did that not for one but for two cards. WTF were they thinking?

>>723553193
Did you have to go up the stairs a bunch of times?

>>723557951
For you.
>>723558237
I fuck minds.

I hate stairs

>>723552401 (OP)
Every GBA and DS vanias are great
Also SotN
On the other hand, every "classic" linear clastlevania without rpg elements is dogshit
Iganavia supremacy

>>723558656
They're tall, pointy and irritating and they lead you everywhere.

>>723552560
>Towers of Eternity and Evermore post-game challenges (a lot of Lv60 monsters)
>a whole familiar system (complete with breeding and evolution), with monster classes (warriors, fairies, and a demon able of squeezing itself under closed doors)
>a suspiciously nosy fairy which charges you money to regenerate you and cure all your status shits
>you would had a random chance in the whole game to find a near-immortal Golden Bones skeleton carrying a Miracle Egg, which is required to craft a pumpkin familiar (gives you a LCK bonus, but shit stats overall, meaning you would "babysit" the little shit to not getting killed)
I want to go back to 2010

>>723558295
>the DMC2 of the castlevania series
Very strange comparison.

>>723552401 (OP)
The best Castlevania is Rondo of Blood, but from the metroid style of games is definitely Ecclesia.

>>723558505
yeah

I want to help repopulate the Belmont bloodline by using Richter’s seed.

big creaky

>>723558656
The ropes in the GB games are unironically a WAY better mechanic and it's baffling that the series never switched from stairs to ropes. Just Belmont's Revenge alone did more cool things with ropes as a mechanic than the entire rest of the franchise did with stairs.

>>723558295
>the DMC2 of the castlevania series
Completely unhinged opinion. Please tell me this is bait.

>>723557437
I haven't played the remakes they've done recently or Silent Hill f, but I think it's nice that they're making games again in any case. I could take or leave a new Castlevania all the same though, I'm pretty content just to have Bloodstained.

>>723552560
Aren't these games just literally copypasted corridors like Persona 3/4's dungeons with virtually no unique rooms?

>>723557415
>even weapons were more fun in AoS than it's sequel.
i noticed this too, you tend to whiff a lot more whith the swinging weapons in dawn than you do in aria. this is because dawn changed the swing arcs from left (which is how they are in aria) to right (dawn's swing arcs).

in dawn, a large part of the weapon hitbox is directly behind you, basically swinging at nothing. so impractical.

>>723560091
>>723560126
post the one where he kills balore

>>723557571
>They can always outsource to IGA
Fuck no, he's old and has no flame of creativity left in him. Bloodstained was a giga safe rehash of SOTN+Dawn, and the next one is a Portrait rehash. We need some new blood for the series to have any chance of competing with the post-Hollow Knight/Metroid Dread metroidvanias.

>>723560832
Then how about Binary Haze Interactive Inc?

>>723559884
sovl

>>723560832
>>723560908
You could give it to Team Ladybug but they'd need a lot of additional help because they're basically a doujin circle that just about qulifies as an indie studio.

>>723560908
That would actually be neat, their Ender games are clearly Castlevania inspired but the gameplay is much more modern and the JoJo like stands are a great and unintrusive take on the soul/shard system.

>>723560551
Yup, no wonder why Aria is always above Dawn.

>>723552560
I didnt have a ps2 at the time so i couldnt play them plus all 3d vanias had a bad rep from 64 even tho its honestly not that bad of a game.

>>723561115
That could work, their sprite work is nice.

>>723561150
I agree, I loved the Ender games and think that style would work well with Castlevania.

>>723557761
Do you have to post that shit?

that's nice and all but where are the chinese romhacks

>>723554342
Me after killing like 200 mandragoras, then finding out you had to wait for the skelly to actually pull the nigger out

>>723558656
Those fuckers knew what they were doing.

>>723552401 (OP)
SoTN will always hold a special place in my heart with Aria in a close second. 3 is my favorite tradiontal vania and the best nes game in my (correct) opinion. Rondo is great as well and will aleays be special to me as it was sort of an emulation homy grail for me for years as I could not figure out how to use magic engine back when I was a kid and never actially played it until I was in high school

Just remaster SoTN with QOL changes like items not having to be equipped, NG+ and the Saturn content. You don't need much else.

>>723560551
>he doesn't face away from enemies to hit them sooner
NGMI

>>723561937
SOTN with a hard mode would be nice.

>>723562668
I thought luck mode was hard mode since it gimped your stats, but yeah, I agree.

>>723562793
it makes hobo phase slightly harder but turns you into a critmachine once you have stats

>>723562991
I remember that.

>>723562991
I feel lile slogera and gaibon were the only part of the game that was any hard lol

What would /v/ want out of a Castlevania revival?

>>723563660
I'd like the first new Castlevania game since LoS 2 to be 2D/2.5D and set in the same universe as the old games.

>>723563660
Anything goes as long it looks like Ayami Kojima's art

>>723563660
ooe 2-11

What's his fucking problem?

>>723563660
3rd Sorrow game since Dawn feels underwhelming as the last chronological entry in the franchise if we're not counting the novel and Grimoire of Souls.

>>723564209
One anime from when I was younger had a Creaking Skull girl.

>>723564240
Outside of the terrible change to a generic animu style prompted by out of touch execs whats with all the Dawn hate on /v/? It was a solid game with great graphic in the little nigga in pick related.is one of the greatest enemy designs in anything ever. It was certainly better than portrait of ruin.

>>723564530
I didn't hate it, but I think people just see it as inferior to Aria of Sorrow.

>>723564530
>no feathers
Unrealistic

>>723564603
Same.

>>723558656
It didn't have to be that way. It could have had perfectly functional stair mechanics.

>>723558032
This used to be one of my least favorites due to the story and the characters seeming pretty boring to me. The game mechanics felt a little lackluster to me compared to something like SOTN or Aria as well. I think it has ended up becoming my most replayed Castlevania. It's one of the only modern style Castlevania games that feels like it has a decent difficulty balance and is fun to play and overcome the challenges. Most modern formula games are too easy and I find Circle of the Moon really fun to play. Aria is still my overall favorite. The GBA era was great.

>>723564603
I agree with you that but alot of people specifically shit on it here like it was unplayble. My guess is zoomers who werent even born when it came out.

>>723563660
dawn/por with sotn budget
>not impossible in worst timeline
iga gets a contract, the M2 guys and a budget of twelve peanuts to make a 2D game

>>723564989
Other than the weapon crafting and bugged luck stat, I liked it, just not as much as Aria.

>>723563660
Proper Igavania in 3d. I liked both Lament and Curse but they are very low budget with atrocious level design.

>>723560551
Dawn attempted to balance everything and just made it boring, you don't hit as hard, all the OP souls suck and even the Claim is just a basic bitch great sword instead of the screen covering monstrosity it is in Aria.

>>723565140
>>723564989
>>723564530
Dawn has a lot of issues and it's my least favorite DS game, I actually don't even bother replaying it anymore
>touchscreen gimmicks like the boss seals + ice blocks, even the remaster doesn't remove them completely just adds button workarounds
>all weapons you pick up are underpowered, you're supposed to farm a fuckton of souls to craft better versions...
>...in a game where the Luck stat does NOTHING, and the remaster didn't bother fixing it because lol we cannot rob you of the authentic experience (that's something that the outsourced studio said)
>dumb anime story with 4Kidz antagonists like a Russian guy named Blinoff and an Italian dude who's angry all the time because lol he controls fire
>ugly anime portraits
>butchered localization with all JP VA simply removed as they didn't want to hire EN VA's (the sequels all have dual audio)
etc etc, just off the top of my head

>>723558408
JP love loved being assholes.
A good non CV example would be a game with limited inventory, where important items such as keys take up space, and just before you enter a dungeon, an NPC gives you an item that takes up more space, the item he gives you does absolutely nothing, it just exists to take up space.

>>723565575
I agree with most of points being issues but your really gonna criticise it for being too anime compared to fucking portrait of ruin?

>>723552560
They're almost unbelievably boring and most people accepted this 20 years ago and moved on. There's a reason they are not discussed.

>>723561774
>Rondo is great as well and will aleays be special to me as it was sort of an emulation homy grail for me for years as I could not figure out how to use magic engine back when I was a kid and never actially played it until I was in high school
Lmao, paywall filtered you too? I remember reading about it online, seeing gifs of the intro on CV Dungeon. I probably heard the OST six years before I got to play the actual game. It's nice that Chronicles is a reasonably reputed game now, since when it came out, I remember people lamenting that it wasn't Rondo being ported to a system people actually own and it got a lot of flak for it.

>>723564530
>whats with all the Dawn hate on /v/?
you are in contrarian central

>>723563660
>>723564240
A 3rd Sorrow game that finishes off the time travel/Galamoth plot thread that was hinted at in Judgement and CoD. Include a castle with the usual monsters carrying souls, but make it so Galamoth's lair (ie. the final area) is filled with synthetic/mechanical monsters who don't have souls for you to absorb.

Also make Death into a good guy with a speaking role and make it so the final battle is Soma and Death vs. Galamoth and The Time Reaper.

>>723566014
I'd play that.

>>723563660
Igarashi to stay away. Kojima can come back if she can be trusted not to turn it into her usual drag race.

Castalbania will never eber get a new game

>>723566014
too kino for our pumps

This French autist has been making Castlevania fangames since the late 90s.
You can tell when playing it.

>>723563660
Make it sn Undertale-like

>>723553931
4chan's snowflake-ism has resulted in a fad of "SotN bad, CV64 good." Real crack-smoker shit.

That weird musical was basically a retelling of SoTN and Konami said it would show the direction of the franchise moving forward, so I expect something related to SoTN.

>>723565886
Not just having to pay but I didnt figure out emulation itself until a few years later.

>>723566309
Fucking loved this game. I even still have shit to do since there's a prerequisite to fight Bloodless, and I love it for it. I can kinda see how it might not be for everyone though.

>>723566540
I wish killing Bloodless actually gave you shit for it.

If you're not playing Aria and Dawn with thr romhacks that fix the Luck stat you're going to suffer.
Especially Dawn since merging RNG weapon drops is the only way to improve some weapons.

Bloodstained and Chronicles of the Wolf at least only do this low drop rate bullshit late game, but it's retarded to do it in anyway if you're going for a luck build.

>>723553931
Mechanically, it's the least complex IGAvania, aside from CotM and HoD but those are just straight up low budget games

I mean, it's the first of its kind, it's kind of like comparing Demon's Souls to Dark Souls 3, it's retarded to argue that Demon's Souls is better, there's nothing to do, no builds, no gear, just the Crissaegrim/Shield Rod meme shit lol

No hard mode, no level 1 mode, no way to make the game even a little bit more challenging

>>723563660
Battle of 1999.
But I don't trust any dev nowadays to make this.

>>723554190
By the metric none of the castlevanias are good because they are all easy.

Aria of Sorrow is my favorite too and I feel kinda cheesy for saying that since it was my first

But I replayed through them all again this year and that only reaffirmed it, there's something special about it.

>>723560687
Had to go looking for it

>>723566014
I really always wanted a mainline Galamoth centered game. That being said.... why does he employee ass trannies as his personal guard?

>>723566621
I'll be good with just the 100% and am glad there's more content. Game's already huge for a search-and-slashy game. You're a walking blender lategame anyway, not sure how much more OP they could make you after getting a regen cloak and fullscreen nuke.

>>723552401 (OP)
Ecclesia

>>723566309
I wish it were less ugly. It's very rough looking.

>>723566540
>>723566621
I was waiting for more updates to give you more stuff for post game bosses to use in New Game+
Probably not happening though.
That fucking platforming section at the endgame with the insta death spikes was absolute ludo.

Don't remember a game making you work for it this hard since the Itagaki Ninja Gaiden games.

>>723566939
Ice*

>>723566867
>Theres always a bigger bigger fish

>>723566974
The spritework is great, fuck is wrong with your eyes?

>>723563660
good music, gothic horror atmosphere and a cool protagonist
its all Castlevania needs honestly

>>723557437
>I want the 1999 julius game
Never ever

>>723567160
Bloodstained 2 looks like it won't have any of those things unfortunately.

>>723566974
I think it's genuine sovl. It looks like an authentic old game just of a weird in-between era, like the 32X or something. Since it's above SNES but saying it's PS1-tier would compare it to Symphony, which it just doesn't look as good as.

>>723566309
I played the demo for this game and it just feels like more lecarde chronicles 2
Is there any reason to play it over LC2?

>>723566939
Sexual deviancy is a villainous trait

Did IGA ever actually intend a 1999 game? or was it a case of leaving the final battle in your imagination which would have been cooler than anything they could have come up with?

It kinda reminds me of the grey area of Metal Gear 1 and 2 and how we never "really" see Solid Snake's fight with Big Boss, we only hear about it as this legendary, Earth shattering thing.

>>723567461
Its funny that of all kid dracula enemies tjats the one they choose to brong back

>>723567221
Fucking lol why is the boat sign in Cyrillic?

>>723552401 (OP)
What is the best way to play Symphony of the Night these days?

Okay I've played 1 (didn't beat it though)

Where does a budding castlevania fan go next? Simon's quest? I'm in a classic monster/supernatural mood

>>723567614
Anyway that uses the OG english translations and voicework.

>>723567465
Didnt he say in some interview that he wants to make a 1999 and Quincy Morris game?

>>723567341
It starts off as classicVania and turns into a Metroidvania after the 1st act.
It creeps in slow but you end snowballing into a death machine.

Stick with it anon, I promise you won't regret it.

>>723567614
Duckstation and iso is more than adequate

>>723567643
>Where does a budding castlevania fan go next?
finishing 1
right fucking now

>>723567643
Beat 1 faggot

>>723567643
3, look up the version differences on TCRF and pick whether you want US or JP.

Personally I think JP is the way to go, the US version fucking up the subweapon placements crosses the line for me, but some may disagree because muh difficulty.

Name a better fight.

>>723563660
-Action RPG
-Character Creation system
-Tons of Victorian and Baroque style outfits to wear
-Generally have operatic music in the background, but also have a Visual Kei J-Rock band songs for a few bosses
-Let you pal around with a male Belmont and female Belnades that you can optionally romance
-Have Alucard pop up as well
-Have a Holy and Darkness alignment system that determines your characters abilities
-Have a good and bad ending depending on your choices throughout the game

>>723567696
has anyone ever modded the PS1 iso to have the newer translation and voice work?

I get the memes, but I've heard the OG is significantly unfaithful to the Japanese script

>>723560832
>and the next one is a Portrait rehash
Outside of the obvious two characters it seems a lot different and also thats not igas design.

>>723567915
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=okkHOTJclP4
Needs the music.
>Julius powers up
>Castle in the back starts crumbling

>>723567267
My issue isn't the level of detail but how stiff and amateurish it looks. I don't just mean the animation being stiff (though it sometimes is) but that the sprites just aren't consistently well-drawn. Some of the more grotesque shit looks great, though.

>>723567465
>It kinda reminds me of the grey area of Metal Gear 1 and 2 and how we never "really" see Solid Snake's fight with Big Boss
We do see it though. In MG1 and MG2. There's no gray area to it.

>>723567465
There's an interview from 1997 where some form of 1999 got suggested by a designer. It seems more like it might've been a game idea that got turned into the backstory for Aria of Sorrow some years later.

>Furukawa:...As for Richter, the events of Bloodlines create the background for the story of Symphony of the Night, and I can’t confirm what happens to the Belmont clan after Richter. But that being the case, have you thought about what the future might hold? I like to think that one of the Belmonts is, unbeknownst to all, locked in battle with the King of Terror prophesized by Nostradmus to appear in July 1999.

I don't think it ever made serious headway in development as a game but it seems like something we might've gotten if Castlevania went on long enough, as opposed to Megaman where the Elf Wars were ALWAYS conceived as just background for the Zero series.

When's Vampire Hunter going to get his own game?

>>723567915
I can't.

>>723552401 (OP)
Realistically speaking what can Castlevania do to get new games that aren't collections or remakes? We reached the point where we have games where Dracula is already defeated the Sorrow games and that mobile game.

>>723567803
>>723567810
>>723567901
but it's haaaarrrd. I die 3 times on level 3 or 4 and it's gameover

>>723568273
Give us the Julius game.

>>723568126
I guess in retrospect I can see how it resembles a hodgepodge of assets, but it never really stuck out to me while playing since the IGA games are literally that anyway, lmao. The only thing that really stuck out to me was how cool it was to have a new game resemble competent retro animation.

>>723567643
>didn't beat it though
Maybe you should curl up with Curse of Hallways and an Anne Rice novel instead.

>>723566974
Did we play the same game?

>>723568273
An AU future series that follows the bad ending of Dawn of Sorrow and Julius Mode.

>>723568504
free my nigga George Washington

thanks to this thread I found out Igarashi and Itagaki are not the same person. The more you know.

>>723568273
Have Julius train the next generation of Vampire Hunters while Death tries to convince some schmuck to become the next Vampire King.

Unfortunately, because it's modern day, the next Dracula will probably be a Twitch streamer.

>>723568273
I'm going to let you in on a secret that everyone but Igarashi knows: the story in Castlevania doesn't matter that much. You're right about the old timeline, but why give a shit?

>>723568204
we never see it in 3D, we never hear Big Boss say "Snake, I am your father!" even though that's the later established canon

The end of V implied MG1 exists in universe as a game Venom created

Some version of the events happened but it's not necessarily what we literally see in the first two games

>>723568238
The moment it gets more cards in Yugioh that aren't Vampire archetypes.

>>723553931
Personally I never liked the inverted castle. I don't even know why. I just don't.

>>723568215
source of that interview?

That's cool as fuck that was an idea batting around in their heads that far back

Is Harmony of Dissonance really THAT bad?

>>723568273
If you were really desperate you could probably get away with adding a few more Dracula resurrections outside the two we know of (1897 and 1999). If you don't feel like doing that though you could probably do games with other villains.

>>723568023
They better not have.

vroom vroom

>>723568504
Not him but you're literally proving his point with that image. I don't know if the sprites are scaled like that in the actual game but that scaling is absolutely fucked. The spritework itself also looks unfinished. Every CV game looks better than this.

>>723568879
https://shmuplations.com/symphony/

>>723568257
Some of Dawn's concept art is legit embarrassing

>>723568928
It's a little ugly without altering the colors, and navigating between the two castles is just a chore since the game doesn't do much with it. Some of Juste's sprites look terrible, too. It's passable, though. It's easy to single out and dismiss the weak link in the Metroidvanias because there's a bit of sameyness to them. I'd still take HoD over the PS2 games.

>>723568928
Its an acquired taste, and even if you really love it you can't rank it higher than many of the other genuinely good CV games.

Juste's movement is incredible, the atmosphere is subtly creepy (especially castle B) and you have lots of customization of whip tips / subweapons / spellbooks / etc. The difficulty of the game is very low (with a few spikes up here and there) and the biggest strike against the game is navigation. It isn't just that castle A and B both exist, but you have to criss-cross through them to get to different areas and even for those who have played the game before you can get lost or confused about which one you need to be in at the moment.

>>723552614
post more charlotte

>>723568928
It's really not bad at all, it's WEIRD and the weakest of the bunch... doesn't mean it's bad though

I have a weird special affinity for it

>>723569225
Lmao, no way this is official.

>>723569237
> the atmosphere is subtly creepy (especially castle B

Love the already creepy painting of bleeding skulls turning into an even creepier painting of a staring eye in a black void

>>723552401 (OP)
I honestly don't know. I've played through Soma's games recently, I should be halfway through Shanoa's game, so I'm left with JOHNATHANCHARLOTTE and the remaining GBA stuff. I don't have a favorite yet.

>>723568928
the music is kind of ass and it's less pleasant to look at than CoM. Personally I don't love it but it's not horrible.

>>723568928
HoD is a game I think I refused to think was bad because I was too hyped for it before release. Played the fuck out of Simon in boss rush mode. I currently think it's pretty weak but still have nostalgia for it.

>>723567595
I think it's supposed to be a stylized font, it clearly says Aeneid. The devs aren't russian as far as I know

>>723552401 (OP)
>>723559770
>>723560091
>>723560126
>>723566867
Bonesposting is still to this day the most fun I've had on this site.

>>723569491
NTA but I assume you don't know any cyrillic languages, because it very clearly says "Demeter" or "Дeмeтp". Or this is just some shitty joke that I don't get. But it's clearly not fucking Aeneid no matter how you slice it.

Last one

>>723569436
always found that really hot, should draw persephone/charlotte next

>>723569730
>But it's clearly not fucking Aeneid no matter how you slice it.
I know what you mean, I'm just saying they used those letters because they resemble the latin letters A e n e i d. I know they're not actually equivalent to those letters. It's easier to see to me because I don't know any cyrillic so I just interpret those as latin letters, like Д looks like a distorted A to me even though it's something different most likely

>>723569829
KEKW

Never played any Castlevania, which one should I play first? I've been interested because I don't really enjoy a lot of Metroidvanias outside of hk , I tried with Metroid and didn't like it that much, but I'm really interested in Castlevania because if the whole vampire stuff

>>723569979
All the stuff released on the collections are great, it just depends on whether you want 2D RPGS or linear games.

>>723569495
tell me more about this boney boy

>>723568928
Its ugly, the music sucks, most of the bosses are just regular enemy but big and puts shit in your way constantly that requires some ability to get through, its even weirder when you open a door with a key or said ability and behind the door there's another obstacle requiring something else.

>>723569730
>>723567595
Demeter is the russian ship that brought Dracula to England in the Bram Stoker novel

>>723569979
>I don't really enjoy a lot of Metroidvanias outside of hk
You probably won't like it then. Castlevania games have a very basic moveset, just jump, backdash and a single attack animation (same animation both on the ground and in the air, and it can't be aimed down or up). Most of the enjoyment comes from the looter aspect where you find hundreds of slightly different swords and projectile spells, as random drops from enemies

But try Symphony of the Night on a emulator (if you're a PC fag, otherwise it's on PS4/5), it's a classic

>>723569979
Just try anything released after (including) SotN if you want the Metroidvania formula. The games before that are mostly linear platformers with branching paths. And the stories are mostly self contained. The one thing you need to know is that Dracula is basically the antichrist who made a deal with super Satan so he keeps coming back.

>>723560551
I vastly prefer heavy weapons in Dawn because they feel like they have actual weight to them

>>723569979
Literally start with SotN, if doesn't click with that then you are not going to like it.

>>723552401 (OP)
Is there a mainline game coming or not? The new comic pop is ugly btw

>>723570458
Who even knows at this point?

>>723569979
Start with 1 and 3, most of the later games including SotN will be improved if you played 1 and 3 first.

Unironically how do I get better at cv1/3
Too fucking difficult to play without save states and I can never remember item locations

>>723564240
I would love to see this

>>723570501
Idk, sometimes leaks around here are spot on

>>723570507
Repetition, if I could do it as a retarded kid who felt like cheating in every game, you can do it, too.

>>723570507
Just learn the jump arc and play as slowly as possible (which could be unfun for many, I agree). Never commit to a move unless you know 100% it will not be punished.

>>723564240
I swear I had somewhere the idea was the literal Antichrist would be the new villain post Dracula

>>723570589
Same.

>>723570630
We've had these leaks since 2021, though the Metal Gear and Silent Hill aspects of them came true, so let's hope for the best.

I still think Platinum working on a spooky gothic expanded Guy Savage for Delta is a hint to them working on something Castlevania-related.

>>723570887
Fingers crossed. NieR:Automata actually has gameplay that would work with Castlevania.

>>723570507
get cross or holy water to III multiplier and win
ezpz

>>723570736
Idk, I doubt it'll be any good. Bloodstained is mediocre at best. They had money, time and talent.

>>723570736
what did the leaks say about vania?

>>723571209
They kept saying a "reimagining" was in the works and the most recent ones kept saying a game will be announced this year, which I doubt.

>>723571339
a reimagining?
a reimagining?
a reimagining?

>>723571209
"reimagining" made by Konami with help from "external Japanese studios"

>>723571507
>>723571510
That means a remake or God forbid, another reboot.

>>723555861
HoD is like an anti-CoTM. Every design and aesthetic choice CoTM had, HoD went in the polar opposite direction

>>723571568
Can't wait for over the shoulder Castlevania!

>>723571507
Black Annette is now canon.

>>723571662
Aztec Olrox was used in the musical, but the musical was a non canon retelling of SoTN.

>>723568257
to be fair to them, "we want the current hip anime look!" went swimmingly just a decade prior

>>723552560
My brother from another mother

>>723552560
Lament of Innocence is so much better it's not even close.

>>723571737
It's the same reason why Portrait's character designs look fire, they were created as anime characters first rather than a bastardization of some earlier design.

>>723571919
If you have no taste then yea I guess.

>>723571919
I mostly agree but Lament of Innocence is also kind of shit. I'm not sure what they were thinking with Curse, honestly. The familiar concept is neat but it was never going to be enough to hold up the entire game no matter how many Pokemon they stuffed in. If they had just iterated on Lament of Innocence we may have gotten a decent game. There was no sense of priority.

>>723571737
SOVL

Should the Julius game be Classicvania or Igavania? 2D or 3D?

>>723567465
First Igarashi is full of it. He had PLENTY of chances to make that 1999 game but he never did it. I'm not going to fault him for Lament of Innocence releasing immediately after Aria of Sorrow. But the fact that Iga wasted the opportunity to make Curse of Darkness, Dawn of Sorrow, Portrait of Ruin, and Order of Ecclessia told me he is a bastard hack. And Konami didn't even quit on gaming even after he left since they funded the Lords of Shadow Trilogy. Iga is simply a shitty man.

The second thing I'm not fond of is the premise of the 1999 game is that the entire Earth is engulfed in Dracula's war and that the saviors of the Earth are Mary Sue Japanese shrine people. What a bunch of nonsense.

>>723552401 (OP)
this one

>>723572103
partly true, portrait character art still looks ass besides fat death but the disparity isn't as severe as between fluff soma and dawn soma

>>723559125
The idea of having Digimon in castlevania was amazing. It was undercooked for sure but the fact that the multiple evolutions had abilities that made you capable of accessing new areas was very good, but underused sadly. Also the Golden Bones always spawns in the Last floor of the tower of Evermore. I never got one to spawn regularly.

>>723572345
Who the fuck else is it gonna be other than people deeply involved with the conflict like the church, belmonts, alucard and those shrine people

>>723569830
That's your art? Great stuff

I love skellingtons

I love shortstacks

>>723564434
Elden Ring also has a Creaking Skull with eye Lazer beams, can't top that.

>>723552614
Hi, Johnny. Yes, i've seen your video, get back to Spyro 2.

>>723572438
Based

>>723572345
He didn't want to blow his load too early, who could have foreseen in 2003-2008 the direction Konami would take? By the time he was probably ready to do it they had already decided on LoS, remember, he had already announced a PS3/360 Alucard game that got canceled in favor of LoS

The blame here lies with Konami, I don't see what makes him a shitty man

>and that the saviors of the Earth are Mary Sue Japanese shrine people. What a bunch of nonsense.

It's a Japanese series, why not incorporate Japan into it? Plus Mina is one of the sexiest character designs I've ever seen

>>723572802
>Never asks you to hit the like button or subscribe
>Just says thanks for watching
/ourguy/

>>723572345
>The second thing I'm not fond of is the premise of the 1999 game is that the entire Earth is engulfed in Dracula's war and that the saviors of the Earth are Mary Sue Japanese shrine people. What a bunch of nonsense.
I feel the same way. You have this millennium-spanning conflict between Dracula and western vampire hunters and then you get pajama-wearing magical girls stealing the kill because IGA wanted to appeal to the jap market

>>723572345
Curse of Darkness is the biggest reason I doubt the 3D Alucard game would have been any good.

>>723572772
Dark Souls 3 also had a Creaking Skull king, but his boss fight was ridiculously easy.

>>723572871
>PS3/360 Alucard game that got canceled in favor of LoS
That was the right call.

>>723567093
creaking fish

>>723573175
Why do we hate this game, again? It's absolute ludo.

>>723573352
might be the fact it's complete shite

>>723568310
if you think 1 is hard you're not gonna have a good time with any of the other classicvanias. either stop being a pussy or skip straight to SotN

>>723572893
I think it's cool, they only finally win by looking beyond Europe and finding 1 weird trick

>>723572940
>>723573175

It would have at least been more INTERESTING than LoS being a "canon" game, aren't you curious what Iga exploring Alucard more would have been story wise?

The PS2 games have their flaws but they have a lot of character... more than the LoS games, so sign me up

>>723573352
I don't like the fixed camera angles, you literally can't even look behind you, that's dumb af in a 3D game

>>723573451
>aren't you curious what Iga exploring Alucard more would have been story wise?
No? Lament of Innocence is a near-bottomless well of retarded. If it were a prequel to any other series its story decisions would be rightfully mocked rather than just politely ignored. HoD's story is disposable at best. Aria of Sorrow has its moments but at its core it's Dracula reincarnated as a flamboyant teenager. Dawn of Sorrow is the same thing with less charismatic antagonists. Castlevania stories have never been worth much, and the more the games focused on them the worse they became.

>>723573451
The only thing that seriously bothered me about Lords of Shadow is that the key to killing Satan is......Gabriel's BROKEN weapon that isn't even powered up. Somehow a damaged weapon is powerful enough to kill the Devil. Terrible writing.

>>723573881
Also Dracula supposedly being the most powerful supernatural being yet still having to sneak past armoured guards.

>>723573816
it's all goofy animu shit but the stories are fun, I'd take more of that than the generic stuff of the western games

>>723573964
In one cutscene, said armoured guards got killed by hitting his head on a pole while on a train. Those enemies broke the lore for me.

>>723574031
Same, I'd rather have fun than be subjected to pretentious misery porn.

>>723573456
>that's dumb af in a 3D game
Wrong.

>>723572345
>and that the saviors of the Earth are Mary Sue Japanese shrine people.
and the european guy whose family was whupping drac's ass for nearly a millenia
and the european guy who personally helped the first guy's family for centuries and even whupped drac's ass himself
it's a world wide conflict, it's reasonable some party from outside europe would have a role

Are mods deleting faggot posts? If so, based.

>>723573881
I feel like Lords of Shadow 2 should've been Mirror of Fate, or at least the Trevor chapters. Maybe with a new name, like how Gabriel isn't called 'Leon Belmont".
Just feels weird to end the first game with the Dracula twist and then have 1000 years happen offscreen. But I guess they felt locked into the "Dracula in 21st century" ending of LoS 1.

I bought LoS2 for 10 bucks because I thought what the hell, how bad could it be? Demo was alright. Oh man. Throws you into forced stealth bullshit RIGHT away afterward. Lost a good 10 mins of gameplay finding powerups because I died and said "nope."

>>723571568
The games have been essentially rebooted before with at least five Simon Belmont games not even counting Simon's Quest, I think they should just do that again. It's not like it's ever had a plot before. Make a 3D Simon Metroidvania, you don't have to really rewrite a retcon anything, just add dialog maybe.

>>723561574
Fuck I did this for so long recently.

>>723575271
That could work, though Konami said the recent musical would show the franchise's direction, so I'm half-expecting a Castlevania III or SoTN remake.

>>723574867
The combat is good and some of the bosses are nice too, but it's a bad time. The Alucard DLC is a good demonstration of what the game could have been. I was never a LoS hater and desperately wanted LoS2 to be good and it just isn't. It's a weird botchjob.

>>723575479
The final boss was underwhelming, especially considering that Satan had a cool second form in the concept art.

>>723574867
LoS2 is not very good but LoS1 is actually underrated.

>>723575684
Ya it was a solid game and didnt deserve the shit it got

>>723575271
My headcanon is that all the Simon stories are legends told by different Belmonts in different later eras and the details change depending on who's telling it

>>723575684
I played that one on release and actually got a good bit of the way through it, just never finished it. I do think people might be too hard on it. "GoW clone" got thrown around a lot but the 64 games have RE item switcheroo puzzles and the IGA 3D games have DMC combat; it isn't like the games ever codified a solid entity for themselves in 3D, so I'm not sure why LoS is made out to be guiltier for being derivative than the others.

>>723576075
It's still one of the worst things to happen to gaming to take the series away from IGA, even if LoS is decent for what it is, there was no point in taking the series away from IGA and I'd trade it in a heartbeat

It also makes no sense why Konami did that as the 3DS was coming, yet they decided to toss out the handheld audience they had been building to chase the console audience of God of War fans?

>>723576236
Bloodstained selling twice the amount Lords of Shadow did should prove that people liked the old formula.

>>723575684
underhated*

>>723552401 (OP)
For me it's Sepia belmont
on the classic games, my favorite one was always IV, I really should play it again someday.

>>723576451
Konami are total retards and pissed away something that had a reliable, established audience

There was zero reason not to let IGA continue, he even proved it could work well enough in 2.5D with Dracula X Chronicles if Konami refused to let them still use pixel art, but noooooo nooooo nooooo

What the fuck did Konami even have on the 3DS? Meanwhile wasn't it one of the best selling platforms ever?

Total. Fucking. Retards.

>>723576791
It was during the early 2010s western push that gave us DmC as well. Castlevania could really use its own Devil May Cry 5 moment.

>>723576075
I think it deserves more hate.

>>723573352
I like it a lot but I think the Agharta (or however you spell it idk) stuff ran on way too long and wasn't that interesting and the Necromancer zone was kind of lackluster as well. The game peaked during the Vampire chapters and then just kind of fizzled out after that
Gabriel was based as fuck, shame they ruined him in the sequels.

>>723576923
DMC had the excuse that iirc people were kinda meh on 4, plus it was more flamboyantly Japanese at a time when there was a backlash to that

But Castlevania remained a well liked and well regarded series, the DS ones and PSP one were all solid hits, James Rolfe helped revive a lot of interest in the classic ones, everything was smooth sailing and yet Konami still tossed it all out

That's before you even get into the fact that SOTN is synonymous with a genre that has a million different games and Konami ran off one of the godfathers of it, but again I ask, quick, name a Konami 3DS game (other than Mirror of Fate lol), which was a huge platform and they ran off the guy who made some of the most well known DS 1 games?

>>723572546
>undercooked
The real problem was balance, the Devil/Bird/Magic companions are completely useless. You either babysit them nonstop or they just fly around, do nothing and die.

What's his name?

>>723576791
>What the fuck did Konami even have on the 3DS?
There was a 2.5D Castlevania by the Metroid Dread devs, no idea why no one ever talks about it though, there's even a Steam port with HD textures

>>723577253
Kinda crazy how sentiment changed around DMC4 when Capcom pitted it against DmC:DE in sales and it beat it easily, resulting in DMC5.

Yeah, Konami were being complete idiots about Castlevania and they were chasing a "wider audience" that didn't exist and even the godawful show was based on IGA's designs and lore.

>>723577372
Outside of that, can you name even a single one?

And the 3DS was HUGE

>>723577502
I don't know, probably some Ninja Turtles or Contra games? I don't really follow their IP's aside from Castlevania and Silent Hill

>>723577253
>he thinks konami is a video game company
lol
lmao

>>723577591
iirc there was no Contra on it

>>723577618
Konami literally told fans "lol make your own Castlevania" with the shitty mobile game maker they're releasing.

>>723577931
KEKW

>>723576236
They made a lot more money with LoS1 than they would have with more niche games. And the reality is that the formula was feeling pretty stale for a lot of people by 2008. I was and remain more of a Classicvania fan, but I still was there and played them all and followed the conversation as it unfolded.

I don't deny that Konami wasted opportunities, but it's not like Igarashi was some brilliant master of games development. The PS2 games are junk, Judgment is sort-of junk (or at least irrelevant), and the DS games were seeing diminishing returns. I don't think Igarashi was ever going to pull out a rabbit from his stupid cosplay cowboy hat that was so dazzling it would convince Konami not to move away from video games. That would have happened even if everyone fawned over Mirror of Fate and Lords of Shadow 2 with similar sales to the first. You didn't like what they made or decided to do instead, but nothing about it was surprising to me in 2010 and it isn't confusing to me in retrospect either.

>>723575684
>>723576075
It's one of the only cases of "it's a good game but a bad X game" being true, and ironically, it was also so generic at its time of release that it wouldn't be remembered over titles like God of War or Dante's Inferno if it didn't have the Castlevania name attached to it, so it was damned if you do, damned if you don't. I played the shit out of LoS and completed every difficulty and the DLC, yet the enjoyment I got from it probably wasn't worth it killing mainline Castlevania for no reason. I don't get why they doubled down on the decision either, DMC proved that a series can survive coming back from a westernized reboot. Bloodstained was even more proof that Castlevania could get the DMC treatment with returning to its roots since an audience still exists for it.

>>723578190
Eh I think LoS1 is quite a bit better than Dante's Inferno.

>>723577931
>lol make your own Castlevania
90% of Castlevania as an IP consists of public domain properties, so you totally could. The IP itself was never the strong point, it was the developers who made the games. Who the fuck knows where those people work nowadays or if some of them are still alive. Why shouldn't you make your own Castlevania-inspired game, it's literally not illegal.

>>723578252
Agreed (although I loved both), but my point is that the market was being saturated with God of War style clones at that time and that LoS likely wouldn't even be remembered today if not for the Castlevania controversy. Using Dante's Inferno as an example, how many times do you even see that get brought up nowadays unless someone is memeing about Satan's dick physics? LoS would have just been another random hack and slash forgotten by everyone. My point is the Castlevania name definitely caused more people to play it and enjoy a good game, but the payoff wasn't worth obliterating the franchise it tried to reboot, so we have a decent game that's left in a really awkward existential crisis.

>>723578252
>>723578473
Dante's Inferno was kind of good. I miss GoW-clones.

>>723552560
I had a lot of fun with it. I wish they had made a sequel since all the pieces were there for something great.

>>723578190
>"it's a good game but a bad X game" being true
What are some other examples of this?

>>723579076
DmC.

>>723552614
Is this an edit? I don't remember her shaking her hips during this animation

>>723569096
>>723568504
That arch on the portal honestly looks like as if it was drawn freehand in paint and abandoned halfway through.

>>723579215
Second shittiest DMC game, one of the best western hack&slash games.

>>723578473
>obliterating
It's not like Castlevania was experiencing some grand renaissance prior to Lords of Shadow's announcement. It was either treading water or was embarrassing itself. Lords of Shadow didn't kill anything, anyway. Konami did. It's pretty obvious when you look at the scope of Konami's productivity over the last ten years what happened.
>But Lords of Shadow 2 flopped!
Sure did. MGSV didn't, though, and their answer was Survive and a somewhat shitty very conservative remake a decade later that runs like ass. Even if it hadn't flopped, would it have made a difference? If Konami Digital Entertainment's entire raison d'etre rested on the margins of one AAA game you already have a deep-seated terminal problem. Your wife didn't leave you because you backed into the mailbox.

>>723570458
Probably, eventually. Can't say I expect much though.

>>723552560
my nigga
i am still mad at how the netflix make hector such a pussy when CoD Crispim Freeman made hector a angry badass

>>723578553
>shows up in the animated show

So, um, did Jonathan ever hit it? Or is he a fag?

>>723579494
Weirdly wholesome.

>>723579632
Yes they were married and they had a half dozen kids.

>>723579632
Did Charlotte want to fuck him?

>>723579672
And now the counterpart.

>>723558032
Remember playing this on a gba emulator when I was a kid not nowing anything about Castlevania and being scared as fuck of the main menu themee. I actually thought it was some horror game because the main menu statue is also uncanny
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1FvizYRtogg
the music when you start playing is kino tho
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oyk4Qso7rpM

I'm downloading a fangame called castlevania revamped, silksong got me in a metroidvania mood, but it seems I played everything already.

>>723579806
Kek.

>>723579992
It's a famous Catholic chant, wtf anon, where did you grow up
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=663oViTBcE0

>>723571510
This is the first I'm hearing of it and I'm already getting pissed off. I'm not even sure what a best case scenario would be for this.

>>723580267
Well, better than western studios. We now have two instances of western Castlevania and they both suck.

>>723578187

>They made a lot more money with LoS1 than they would have with more niche games

Maybe true in 2010/2011, not true ever since.

They cratered something that had a built in audience for short term gain and stood to make nothing at all for a decade+ because of it

>I don't think Igarashi was ever going to pull out a rabbit from his stupid cosplay cowboy hat that was so dazzling it would convince Konami not to move away from video games.

I don't get the hate, the rabbit would have been the 1999 game everyone wanted to see or at least take Dracula X Chronicles visual style, apply it to a Metroidvania, boost the visuals a bit by putting it on the Vita or 3DS perhaps and booya, you'd have a stew going

Even another linear Dracula X Chronicles remake of III would have been cool.

>>723579623
The swaping of names between the literal.on model cthulu with malachi.is the only Sotn translation error that pisses me off. Mostly because they decided to make it official for some reason

>>723580474
True but I'm not hopeful. I expect a Silent Hill F situation where they go for the Dark Souls audience. I don't even think it's a bad idea for CV with more emphasis on platforming but the number of devs who can pull that off are minimal.

>>723580170
jesus christ how horrifying

>>723581041
Yeah, same here. I'll be cautiously optimistic. I just don't want the franchise to stay dead.

>>723580887
That's always bothered the shit out of me too

>>723581127
Only to sinners

I wish there were a good Castlevania clone that was also horny. It seems impossible.

>>723580743
>not true ever since
The "ever since" doesn't really matter, though. That's too extended of a hypothetical. Konami gave up video games entirely for several years, not just Castlevania.
>I don't get the hate
It's not hate, it's just the truth. He's not that guy. He was never that guy, really. The base case scenario is we got a few more low-budget familiar games out of Igarashi that fans liked but didn't blow anybody away or convert many new fans. I would have preferred that over Lords of Shadow probably, but we weren't denied a decade of greatness. We have every reason to think the Alucard game would have sucked.

>>723581454
Was Night of Revenge any good?

>>723581541
Only the first half. Game was left incomplete and the dev disappeared after getting married.

>>723552758
I think you meant to use < instead of >
A common mistake among children. But to adults, it looks like your list is backwards. Just a tip, newfriend. ;)

>>723552401 (OP)
>fan favourite of the series is the most brain-dead easy one that even a child could finish
Kek

So is Castlevania a pro or antichristianity game?

>>723581648
None of the castlevania games are truly difficult. Circle of the Moon is easily the worst game in the franchise though. A metroidvania with the controls of a traditional castlevania game.

>>723581492
>The "ever since" doesn't really matter, though. That's too extended of a hypothetical. Konami gave up video games entirely for several years, not just Castlevania.

They couldn't see the future but they could have gone "nahhh, we better not" at upending an established thing to such a degree

That is a good point about the pachinkofication, but that didn't really start until 2015, leaving Iga another 7 years to make games

>>It's not hate, it's just the truth. He's not that guy. He was never that guy, really. The base case scenario is we got a few more low-budget familiar games out of Igarashi that fans liked but didn't blow anybody away or convert many new fans. I would have preferred that over Lords of Shadow probably, but we weren't denied a decade of greatness. We have every reason to think the Alucard game would have sucked.

He's "that guy" to me, I would have loved to see anything more from him Castlevania, literally anything.

We know exactly what the Alucard game would have been, the PS2 games but in HD lol, but guess what? I'll fucking TAKE IT!

I wasn't even aware of that games potential existence until pretty recently and my heart broke knowing it could have been a thing, but more importantly, I want to see what he would have done with the 3DS

>>723581773
The games are mostly pro.

>>723581807
I didn't finally play Circle of the Moon until just last year, in a way I found that combination of classic difficulty with the metroidvania exploration refreshing, yet at the same time the castle is so generic and boring with nothing of interest to find

>game is bad because is easy
Zoomer mentality.

>>723582167
Weird how games being fun isn't good enough for zoomers.

>>723582167
being fun is more important than being hard, given the idea of exploration and backtracking imagine how not fun it'd be dying constantly and having to walk through the same areas again and again, you'd never bother to explore in the first place

>>723565801
>important items such as keys take up space, and just before you enter a dungeon, an NPC gives you an item that takes up more space, the item he gives you does absolutely nothing, it just exists to take up space
The Japanese literally learned this horseshit from Wizardry.

>>723581454
You're in luck, anon.
https://store.steampowered.com/app/1299320/Midnight_Castle_Succubus_DX/
https://store.steampowered.com/app/1281160/Castle_in_The_Clouds_DX/

>>723582167
>90% of the numerous abilities and weapons you pick up are all trash
It's pretty lame game design

>>723582832
it does suck when you find a weapon with a cool theme but it's shit

>>723571568
>inb4 it's a Soulslike remake of CV3 but with Grant removed from the cast

>>723583260
I want Grant in the cast because he's cool and specifically to fuck with tourists, they can add a Hector and Isaac DLC campaign as well.

>>723583359
Based.

>>723583359
Anything that fucks with newfags is a plus for me.

>>723583359
why would grant fuck with anyone but shitflix tertiaries

>>723584330
>shitflix tertiaries
Exactly, tourists.

>>723584391
your first mistake is thinking they play bideo games

>>723581823
>We know exactly what the Alucard game would have been, the PS2 games but in HD
And the PS2 games sucked.

>>723584480
I wish those faggots would fuck off. Everything wrong with anime and cartoon fans now infest the franchise.

>>723583260
why does konami hate Grant so much

>>723584503
LoI was fine. Not amazing by any means but I wouldn't say it sucked

>>723552560
There's very little talk about 3d castlevanias, in general. I remember back in the day, most of it was negative.

>>723584682
Hammer was supposed to be the Grant stand-in in Dawn of Sorrow's Julius Mode, but he got canned as well.

>>723584592
One particular fujo on social media is the most insufferable.

>>723584682
cuz he does da nasty

>>723552887
Somafags are cringe, and needed to force a meme to retain some semblence of relevancy.

>>723553693
I wish it wasn't so buggy.

>>723584503
they were alright

>>723564530
The castle sucks, tons of dead ends and glorified keys and just isn't fun to explore at all quite frankly. The anime shit is so aggressively in your face all throughout the game its like every facet of the game is a teen halloween movie mashed with shitty anime, even the music while good is like that. As flawed as portrait is I like it waaaaay more than dawn, at least the maps in that aren't tedious to go through and have way more style. Everything else about the game is a massive downgrade from aria, everything from somas outfit to his goofy double jump flip and the weapons its just all shitty and bad. For me dawn second only to harmony in being the worst of these games.

>>723567221
>>723569491
What game? Searching 1999 returns nothing useful

>>723585338
Seal of the Eclipse. It's an upcoming fan game.

I will not tolerate the 3d slander anymore. Get out of this thread RIGHT NOW.

>>723564530
The focus on crafting means the castle can feel pretty empty of things to find. The touch screen rune thing in a neat idea but horribly executed. Would've preferred if it was more like a damage spell or something. Last time I played I just used the no touch mod and it was more enjoyable.

>>723581634
hi newfag, go back

>>723585338
>>723585363
Based.

>>723585553
Saying what we're all thinking.

>>723585797
meant for
>>723585431

>>723585429
Thanks, looks really cool, but really feels like vaporware

>>723585939
No problem and the devs originally wanted the spritework to be more like SoTN, but it was too expensive, so they downsized.

>>723574867
LoS2 is one half of a decent, maybe even good game mashed with a terrible game inbetween.

>>723575684
I reinstalled a few months ago and the combat seemed to be pure rollslop, but I didn't stick around long enough so that might have been me. Funnily enough I did finish it when it came out and I remember thinking it wasn't offensively bad

>>723585965
Soma is a man of taste.

>>723580887
>The swaping of names between the literal.on model cthulu with malachi.is the only Sotn translation error that pisses me off.
I miss all the Tolkien references the original had. I get that they're not accurate and could've gotten them in trouble due to copyright but still, Ring of Varda sounds a lot cooler than Skull Ring

>>723585240

This a pretty nuts take, the castle is gorgeous and fun to explore, the only issue is the crafting system means there's very little that's useful to actually find, but the castle is nice to ogle

>>723585431
No. They're shit.

>>723571919
Lament of Innocence crawled so Curse of Darkness could run. But Curse of Darkness should have run so Lament of Innocence 2 could fly. Instead we got Lords of shadow. The irony of God of War ripping off Lament of Innocence so Lords of Shadow could rip off GoW and Shadow of The Colossus later on will never not be funny. I wonder if GoW devs ever talked about it.

>>723585965
It gets even better when you realize Mina is actually wearing the MALE variation

>>723586867
>Lament of Innocence crawled so Curse of Darkness could run.
If only they weren't crawling and running down some of the most dull level design ever produced.
>God of War ripping off Lament of Innocence
When did they ever say that? Rygar was the more likely candidate (and a better game than either PS2vania) but David Jaffe discounted that too. He's always been open about God of War's influences but I don't think he's ever mentioned Lament of Innocence.

>>723581454
Midnight Castle Succubus is legitimately good, though.

I can fix him.

>>723577353
My brother you played a different game. Mages are amazing if you spam Thunderbolt and flamethrower and almost nothing targets them. Birds excel at carpet bombing everything, it's one of the most efficient room clearer. Golems aura is by far the most useful ability of all. Fairies give you infinity health with Perfect Guard. I agree devils are useless, strong but no real reason to use them for anything other than accessing new areas. The kings of useless are pumpkins, but then again, it's just a reason to grind after the endgame. Not that curse of darkness is difficult, but It was fun to play and unlocking different Pokémon evolutions forced you to use different weapons. Crafting system was amazing. Weapons in general were amazing. Would not mind a pokemetroidvania again. But I would also love a spiritual successor of Lament of Innocence. The orb system was great, the relics were neat. You had a lot of tools, but few things to use them on.

>>723588006
Genuinely cooler as a faggot than a nigger.

>>723578473
Lords of Shadow was a good GoW clone with a bit of Shadow of the colossus. But its not a castlevania game, it only has the name.

>>723587431
> Rygar was the more likely candidate (and a better game than either PS2vania) but David Jaffe discounted that too.

If that's coincidence then that's a HELL of a coincidence

I never understood why the PS2 vanias didn't follow Rygar closely, but wow, BASED fellow PS2 Rygar enjoyer, I never see anyone talk about that game

>>723579076
Heroes of Might and magic 4.
Lords of Shadow 1 also. 2 is pure garbage.

>>723552401 (OP)
Miriam's game

>>723552401 (OP)
Iga didn't make it. Junichi Murakami did.

Iga didn't make any of them. The only game he made was a game called Elder Gate on the ps1, which nobody played.

Here's a list of the directors of every castlevania game.
It takes about 30 seconds to work this stuff out if you have internet access.

Castlevania - Hitoshi Akamatsu
Castlevania II - Hitoshi Akamatsu
Castlevania: The Adventure - Masato Maegawa
Castlevania III - Hitoshi Akamatsu
Castlevania II (GB) - Toru Hagihara
Castlevania IV - Masahiro Ueno
Rondo of Blood - Toru Hagihara
Dracula X - Kouki Yamashita
Bloodlines - Toshiki Yamamura
Symphony of the Night - Toru Hagihara
Legends - Kouki Yamashita
Castlevania (N64) - Yuji Shibata
Legacy of Darkness - Yuji Shibata
Circle of the Moon - Koji Horie
Harmony of Dissonance - Takashi Takeda
Aria of Sorrow - Junichi Murakami
Lament of Innocence - Takashi Takeda
Dawn of Sorrow - Satoshi Kushibuchi
Curse of Darkness - Takashi Takeda
Portrait of Ruin - Satoshi Kushibuchi
Order of Ecclesia - Akihiro Minakata
Bloodstained - Shutaro Iida

>>723588326
Is the PS2 Rygar good? I remember playing the NES one and thinking it was pretty fun. The arcade version is also fun but doesn't have the exploration element.

>>723563660
More Bloodstained but with more girl protags or Curse Of Darkness with better level design and Ninja Gaiden combat and all the customization and weapon variety from Bloodstained

>>723588498
And Miyamoto gets all the praise and all the blame for everything that's ever happened at Nintendo, what of it? Iga was the producer from SotN to Order and Bloodstained still continued with the same design so while I certainly don't discount any of those directors it's clear Iga is calling the shots, not just some middle manager who handles scheduling.

>>723581773
>Games
Pro
>Netflix garbage
Anti

>>723563660
I think a new game would have to be 3D to really make an impact, leave 2D for Iga. But I'd also like to see it continue what the series was doing rather than another reboot or something.

>>723588504
It's fucking great, one of the most underrated games ever

It also is 3D and has Metroidvania elements, basically before anyone ever tried that in 3D

>>723573352
>Too repetitive
>No variation
>Badly made OG GoW clone
>Washed out art direction typical of the era

>>723586867
I always forget Lament actually came before GoW. But aside from both having whip like weapons that's where the similarities end. Indiana Jones gets credit for both of them.

>>723552401 (OP)
You posted it. My 2nd-favorite is Lament, and my 3rd-favorite is SotN.

>>723581773
anti, like anything reasonable intelligent

>>723581773
Pro good, kind hearted Christians or anything good really and anti pure evil or evil people and institutions (Church included). Same as today, if you approve of every the church has done and is doing right now you are NOT a good Christian. I.remember when I was a boy and my father showed me a painting of a "Saint" punishing infidels. And what I saw was a man torturing chained people burning their crotch with a torch. A real "are we the baddies" moment.

>>723588982
>My 2nd-favorite is Lament
BASED BASED BASED

>>723588894
It's next on my list then. Thanks.

>>723587191
Imagine if Mina had a PETER this whole time

After all, she's a girl of the 2030s

>>723585797
Kek. I loved that goofy shit. It had zero reason to be there, no gameplay purpose whatsoever, no lore, no anything, but I'm glad they did.

>>723589156
all they had to do was 1:1 copy it for Lament but swap out Greco Roman for medieval and it would have been perfect

>>723588326
>If that's coincidence then that's a HELL of a coincidence
I believe him, though. And yeah Rygar is a good game.

>>723589331
I like how despite seemingly taking itself seriously the games often have these goofy things that really only exist to make you laugh. Lament had those shoes that made a squeaking sound as you walk.

>>723589113
It was my first Castlevania so I have a lot of nostalgia for it.

>>723589342
Instead we got Meg Ryan's Hallway Adventure. Sasuga, Igarashi-san.

>>723589626
While you are correct, the sunglasses are a homage to the Coppola movie

Nobody ever talks about the Gameboy games.

>>723588971
The perfect guard is one. The other is that the whip combos are practically the same. iirc the ground combo, lift up enemy and air juggle combo are even the same button combination. I. Never played Rygar 3d,only the very old Arcade game(hard as balls). The square, square, square, triangle finisher it's pretty similar too.

>>723589781
Wasn't the best example. I think one of my favorite CV gags is DoS' Excalibur still being in the rock.

>>723589826
because belmont's revenge is the only good gameboy castlevania

I didn't know this was a thing. I never saw one in my life.

>>723590054
I also love how you can find NYC pizza in SOTN but it's the year 1797

>>723589826
Can't say I really liked them. I had more fun with Kid Dracula than I did the proper Castlevania games on the GB.

>>723589626
It's just devs having fun and knowing that it's just a game at the end of the day. Some weapon crafts are comedy gold. Lot of anime tropes and pop culture references just for the memesThe broomstick that let's you swipe the floor. The frying pan that burst in flames with the finisher(and opens a secret path that you need to burn down). Becoming fucking Bomberman in a castlevania game. Then there's the cool stuff like the powergloves, the tonfas and the deathscythe. And the furtive Pumpkin, so easily forgotten.

>>723588006

Only his precious little sister Imoto can fix him too bad she was too busy making Hector feel better after his gf's death instead

>>723590189
For me it's the peanuts.

>>723590437
It's a shame Curse can be dull with its level design. All the different weapons were fun to mess around with.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VAw5oUjvpIw&t=43s

>>723552401 (OP)
I just happened to start AoS again yesterday while watching Sinners. Today when I get back to it I'll be watching John Carpenter's Vampires, which I haven't seen in forever.
>Favorite
Order of Ecclesia. I dig the mechanics and the atmosphere, it's just a shame that Konami still wasn't throwing the proper amount of money at Castlevania at that point.

>>723581773
>ecclesia
anti

what is this thing. It looks like the nes game but it plays completely different.

as great as Aria is and as great as it uses the GBA's graphics, imagine Aria if it had the graphics and sound of SOTN

SOTN has all those little touches afforded by CD like the evil dolls laugh

Go away Shanoa. The whole world forgot about you.

>>723592974
Look at this STUPID DISCIPLE

How much shame should I feel if I use save states as a form of infinite lives in the NES classicvanias?

>>723553931
Contrarianism coupled with the pervasive mindset that difficulty is innately tied to quality. Easy games cannot be good, and hard games have no flaws just skill issues

>>723592974
"I'm getting dizzy!"

>>723587191
>Mina is actually wearing the MALE variation
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ISSBmYKEeg8

>>723590101
Oh come on, they cant be THAT bad. The GB was a portable NES and the NES games were good. I am going to try them later and report my experience in the next CV thread I see.

>>723552401 (OP)
For me it's order of eclesia
Also I'll never forget konami for the bullshit they pulled with the 1999 war I remember as a kid being hyped up and growing up never understanding why it wasn't covered in any game....

>>723594227
"our daddy taught not to be ASHAMED of our dicks!"

>>723552401 (OP)
i'm in the middle of playing through Circle Of The Moon right now. i'll probably get to the other GBA games after. CotM is pretty great so far. seems odd to me that it gets shit just cause it wasn't made by IGA. i guess i'll have to see if his games are actually that much better

>>723594227
why do they look so similar

>>723567221
This looks great.
>last video was 3 years ago
>main website is dead
Welp

>>723556870
>dropped Inputs during plattforming
>ClickTeam Fusion

HELL NO!

>>723590101
>>723594663
The Adventure's GBC port cuts down on some of the slowdown. I don't think gonna make the game an 8/10 for you, but it does feel more responsive I think.
I haven't played enough of Legends to have an opinion on it.

>>723597113
works on my machine

>>723597501
>The Adventure's GBC port cuts down on some of the slowdown.
And adds the cross subweapon. ID fucking K why that isn't the version included in the anniversary collection, especially since Konami already included it in a previous GBC collection.

>>723592974
Can you draw her mouth like really opened almost the horizontal line touching her eyes?

>>723597113
Not a real counterpoint shitposter.

>>723599330
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>>723552614
Charlotte actually has some pretty massive knockers, huh.
Never really noticed them before.

>>723567573
Wait, frozen halves are trannies! Half like newhalf? But that means I… No. You’re lying.

>>723579076
max payne 3

Charlotte probably smells really nice.

>>723567945
>Have a Holy and Darkness alignment system that determines your characters abilities
I read symphony of the night was going to have something like this, but it had to be scrapped to get the game out

>>723603036
she doesn't shave her armpits

>>723603085
Is it possible to recreate this scene with just AI prompts?

Beat Chronicles of the Wolf and jumped to Lecarde Chronicles 2. Guess I'm going in reverse order from most people. But I'm just glad to have more game to play. I have all this modern shit I still need to beat but this genre just sucks me in.

>>723603654
You can try using that image as a base and see what the AI spews out.

>>723552401 (OP)
>what's yours?
Bloodstained